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	This is Firepower, only at Band Dog Video.
	And now, your host, Will Johnson.
	Good evening.
	Satan sends the Dems to infiltrate the conservative Christian movement.
	That's our story tonight.
	When the Democrats say that they can impeach and chew gum at the same time, I think I would have to agree.
	Not only are they trying to take out the sitting president of the United States, they are trying to destroy our very nation as well.
	They have that agenda.
	So they're chewing the gum and destroying.
	Impeach President Trump, destroy the nation at the same time.
	But if you think about it, What have the Democrats done that's positive for the American people?
	Just think about that.
	And you know what?
	Just look at the past 11 years.
	When Obama was in office, you know, the Democrats, they spent all that time doing what for the American people?
	When Obama came to office, He did this whole thing that he was against a same-sex marriage.
	Do you remember that?
	Do you recall that?
	This is what, in the beginning, when he was running for president against Hillary Rodham Clinton.
	And then about halfway through his term of his eight years, that's when the truth came out.
	Then all of a sudden, he was all for homosexual sex.
	He was for the same-sex marriage.
	He was embracing them.
	He was like bringing them all together, right?
	The LGBTQ community, they jump for joy!
	When Obama and the Democrats was able to get the Supreme Court to overrule the majority of the people in this country to implement same-sex marriage.
	Think about that.
	Majority of the country didn't want that.
	Majority of the country still doesn't want it.
	But the small minority of these Democrats, for some reason, somehow, they've been able to manipulate the system and manipulate people in the country to get exactly what they want.
	As a result, we now have Dragon Queens and Dragon Kings reading to our children.
	And the liberal left is embracing it!
	You have to recognize, or have you recognized rather, the LGBTQ now has added the plus P, which means pedophilia.
	They've always included it.
	It's always been there.
	They're just now open with it.
	They're not even hiding it any longer.
	Most of us realize this is the leftist movement.
	But the whole LGBTQ plus whatever else they want to add, it is entirely a leftist movement.
	So what does, what many people don't realize is how they are infiltrating the conservative Christian movement.
	And it's an infiltration that Satan is sending his demonic Democrat demons into the fold or what have you.
	Conservative Christians.
	A lot of people say you can't be a conservative Christian either because all sinners are sinners, right?
	Yeah, all sinners are sinners.
	Some people still don't get the fact that we are in a spiritual war.
	And the ones that finally realize it, hopefully it's not too late because you will be a casualty of war.
	See now, we're all sinners.
	We all fall short of the glory.
	But because of Christ, we all can be saved.
	That's what all this comes down to.
	People have forgotten that.
	A lot of people have.
	You would be surprised how we disconnect ourselves from God.
	In most cases, we disconnect ourselves from God in everything.
	But you know what?
	We need to bring it back.
	Because of the election of President Trump, he brought God back into the Oval Office.
	Because of the election of President Trump, God is being spoken of more and more throughout the nation.
	And the left hates it.
	Why do you think they want to work so hard in impeaching this man?
	It's not because he's done something wrong.
	It's because he's bringing God back.
	We'll be back.
	We'll be back.
	is accusing the Syrian government of using chemical weapons in an attack in northwest Syria last May.
	Secretary of State Mike Pompeo made the announcement Thursday, saying it was possibly a chlorine attack.
	This attack was part of the Assad regime's ongoing violent campaign in Idlib.
	Since the conflict broke out in 2011, hundreds of thousands of people have died amid ongoing violence in Syria.
	About 13 million Syrians have been forced to flee their homes, with about half leaving the country.
	The U.S.
	said Thursday it will provide an additional $4.5 million to the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons so it can continue to investigate the use of chemical weapons in the country.
	The United States will not allow these attacks to go unchallenged, nor will we tolerate those who choose to conceal these atrocities.
	All right, so, you know, I remember when they were talking about the Syrian people being gassed, and so many people were saying that this is terrible, this is terrible, the children, the women, they're all being gassed.
	And you know what, Tom?
	What's surprising me is that I'm sitting there and I read this article, and this article was from April 9, 2018, where Alex Jones was saying that this was a false flag, where all of this wasn't true.
	And then the people that started attacking him because it was like, oh, we need to go to war.
	We need to go to war.
	We got to go save the women and the children.
	Like, wow.
	Well, I mean, anybody with their head on straight knew that this was going to be a total fake scenario.
	I mean, Assad, from my knowledge, has never been really proven to have used chemical weapons on his own people, and you just have to sit there and scratch your head and think, what would he have to gain by it?
	I'm sure you remember as well as I do, Will, it was virtually every pundit except Tucker Carlson on Fox News.
	It was every single politician, left, right, and center.
	Everybody and their dog wanted to have a full-out ground war in Syria to depose Assad, to topple another Middle Eastern dictator.
	And bring peace to the Middle East, you know, just like we did in Afghanistan, in Iraq, in Syria, in Libya.
	All over we're going.
	I mean, we are still in Syria.
	We still have troops there.
	I do not know one.
	Nobody understands why.
	We have people guarding poppy fields.
	We have people guarding God knows what.
	We're blowing up bridges so U.S.
	contractors can make millions, rebuilding them.
	The Middle East is less peaceful than it's ever been before.
	I wish President Trump had not even decided to use missile strikes, which is what the administration wound up deciding to do as punishment for Assad for something that we now more or less know he didn't do.
	But I'm glad that at least we're not having another full-scale ground war where we depose another leader and then put up somebody who will likely turn against us in the next five years.
	Yeah, you know what, on top of that, the whole thing was the globalists wanted to keep us there.
	And they wanted to split the country up into three parts.
	And the mainstream, the lamestream media, none of them want to address that.
	And here it is, tomorrow's news today, Alex Jones, Paul Watson, David Knight, they were all talking about it in 2018, and now what?
	What is this we have?
	Maybe they were right.
	Where's the, where's the mainstream media?
	The mainstream media should be asking Alex Jones questions.
	Alex, you were right, but they don't want to do that because then they would have to admit that they've been wrong and he was right.
	So we have another video for you.
	This is one on Tucker Carlson.
	Now, Tucker Carlson is like, he admits it.
	We were lied to.
	Let's go to the video.
	Well, despite the President's repeated efforts to get them out, American troops remain deployed in parts of Syria.
	If Washington has its way, they will be there until you are old, or even longer.
	Forever.
	But it could be worse.
	Nineteen months ago, Washington was demanding that the U.S.
	government topple the Assad government completely.
	Must do it now.
	The justification for this was a supposed chemical weapons attack in the town of Douma.
	Now, no one in Washington had seen the attack.
	No American had seen it.
	Nobody in Congress could tell you what proof existed that the attack had actually taken place, or that Assad's government was behind it, rather than some other faction, and there were many, in the country's civil war.
	But it didn't matter that there was literally no evidence.
	Everybody in Washington began agitating for regime change war immediately.
	Immediately!
	And especially on the left.
	Bill Kristol and Max Boot and everyone at MSNBC and CNN, they were completely for it.
	This show was not for it.
	We didn't deny the attack happened.
	We just told people to be skeptical.
	Universal bipartisan agreement on anything is usually the first sign that something deeply unwise is about to happen, if only because there is nobody left to ask skeptical questions.
	And we should be skeptical of this, starting with the poison gas attack itself.
	All the geniuses tell us that Assad killed those children.
	But do they really know that?
	Of course they don't really know that.
	They're making it up.
	They have no real idea what happened.
	And now the same people who brought you a dying American middle class, undefended American borders, and endless pointless wars in countries you could not find on a map, are telling the president he's got to depose Assad for reasons that are both unclear and demonstrably dishonest.
	You gotta depose Assad immediately.
	Wait a second!
	How did it work when we deposed the last four Arab leaders?
	And wait a second!
	Didn't the Assad government, evil as it may be, protect all the Christians?
	Shut up, they said!
	You gotta do it now!
	Well, fortunately, President Trump limited his response to another wave of missile strikes, rather than sending U.S.
	troops in to topple yet another government in the region.
	But now, it looks like even that response may have not been justified at all.
	So last spring, the official report of the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, which is the group that monitors chemical weapons globally, said the Douma attack was caused by two chlorine gas canisters that were dropped from an airplane.
	That would suggest the Assad government was behind the attack.
	Okay.
	But then last May, a leaked internal document showed that one of the OPCW's top analysts disagreed with that conclusion.
	He thought the canisters were placed by hand by someone on the ground, which would make it a completely different event.
	Now this week, WikiLeaks has published an email from a member of the OPCW's fact-finding team.
	That email accuses the organization of altering investigators' original findings to make evidence of an attack look more conclusive than it actually was.
	Sound familiar?
	Yeah, we've seen this movie before, with tragic consequences.
	Yet another OPCW whistleblower has argued that on-the-ground evidence points against an attack happening at all.
	So in other words, America almost attacked a country and killed thousands, untold thousands of people over an attack that may never have happened in the first place.
	That powerful people may very well be lying about.
	By the way, under a different president, and whatever you think of Trump, this is true, under a different president, say, Hillary Clinton, being advised by the Obama foreign policy team, Samantha Power, and a lot of people like Samantha Power, with long track records of unwise, indeed, stupid decision making, under that administration we probably would have invaded.
	You know what, Tom?
	I'm sitting here reading through this article and this was back in April of 2018 where Alex Jones even said it's obvious that they're trying to suck us into the war.
	They're trying to suck American people into a war.
	And thank God we didn't actually go into a full-on war.
	But, you know, there were some bombs that were used.
	But we've all been deceived by this.
	And many people thinking that we were there saving the children, saving the women.
	But we've been totally deceived!
	Except for when it comes to Infowars.
	Well, every place the American military empire goes, it leaves death, destruction and mourning widows and crying children in its wake.
	So it's a good thing this didn't happen.
	And it's also, I believe, I firmly believe that the globalists, the Uniparty, wants to get President Trump embroiled in a war to make his favorability rankings go through the toilet.
	I mean, he has not yet to pull us out of some of these countries he pledged to pull us out of.
	But this may be the first presidency in I don't know how long where a new war has not been started within the first term.
	Knock on wood.
	We still have a little bit of time left.
	President Trump could still be pulled in, but President Trump was of course elected as somebody who said that going into Iraq was a mistake, that George W. Bush did not keep us safe, that Barack Obama's foreign policy allowed ISIS to be formed and in fact actually started ISIS.
	So, thank God for President Trump and may he keep resolute in his position as a peacemaker.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	And when we come back, we have another clip with Tucker where there's a whistleblower that's blowing the whistle on all of this.
	And you've got to stay tuned and see what this is all about.
	We have a whistleblower and the whistleblower is even coming out with his actual name.
	Imagine that.
	We'll be back.
	We recently spoke all about this story because we think it's important with Jonathan Steele.
	He's a former chief foreign correspondent for The Guardian.
	Here's the conversation.
	I don't want to overstate this.
	A lot of us, well, not a lot, some of us, this show, had suspicions from the outset that there wasn't much evidence that this had actually happened.
	What do we now know?
	Well, we now know from this whistleblower who prefers to call himself Alex, we know his real name and we've got proof that he did work at the OPCW.
	He was an inspector, one of the team of about nine people who went to Damascus and to Douma to pick up samples on the ground and to talk to witnesses and check the whole thing out.
	Now, he took these samples.
	The main point is that chlorine gas degrades rapidly in the air, so that coming in two weeks later, you wouldn't find anything.
	But what you would find is that the gas can contaminate or affect other chemicals in the natural environment, so-called chlorinated organic chemicals.
	But the difficulty is that they exist anyway, in the natural environment anyway, and in water and so on.
	So the crucial thing is the levels.
	Were there higher levels of chlorinated organic chemicals found after the alleged gas attack than there would have been in the normal environment?
	And when they got back to the Netherlands, to The Hague, where the OPCW has its headquarters, the samples were sent off to designated laboratories.
	Then there was a weird silence developed.
	Nobody told the inspectors what the results of the analysis was.
	And it was only by chance that the inspector found out that three weeks earlier the results had come in and they showed no difference at all.
	There were no higher levels of chlorinated organic chemicals in the areas where the alleged attack happened, where there's some suspicious cylinders had been found by opposition activists.
	And so it didn't seem possible that there could have been a gas attack because the levels were just the same as in the natural environment.
	Well, I'm confused by two points.
	So first, we were told, and again sternly lectured, that the U.S.
	government had absolute evidence that this gas attack took place, A. B, if OPCW knew that there wasn't actually evidence, why did it take a whistleblower to tell the rest of us?
	Well, on the first point, I mean, they just rushed, it was a rush to judgment.
	The missile strikes, which included British and French missiles as well as the American ones, happened about two or three days after the alleged gas attack.
	When no inspectors had been on the ground, there was no evidence on the ground.
	So it was just fabricated, as it were, the reason to go in.
	It was a rush to judgment.
	The second point is that there was no real reason why Assad would make an attack at this stage because he was already capturing most of Douma and was about to capture the rest of it.
	He didn't need to go in for a chemical gas attack at that stage.
	We've been lied to.
	We've been manipulated.
	We knew it at the time.
	Thanks so much for coming on tonight.
	I appreciate that.
	It's a fascinating story.
	It's an important story.
	Hope it gets picked up by others apart from just this show.
	Jonathan Steele.
	Well, we're picking it up, Tom.
	I mean, we're talking about it.
	And if you notice in the beginning, he said the whistleblower name was Alex.
	Now, I'm not saying that's the same Alex Jones that we've been talking about.
	Not at all.
	I'm not saying that at all.
	And I don't think they're saying that.
	It just so happens to be the whistleblower name is Alex.
	Well, it's just a convenience, right?
	I mean, it's just kind of there.
	One of these little moments of serendipity.
	And again, I think that it's very good that this is starting to come out.
	I wish the rest of the Fox News brand would talk about it, but as Tucker kind of said in that clip, no, it's just going to be him.
	It's just going to be him.
	It's just going to be Alex Jones.
	It's just going to be InfoWars and Banned.Video and a handful of others that are willing to talk about this because Most of the Republican Party and the entirety of the Democrat Party, for some strange reason, they are so pro-war the facts no longer matter.
	Again, I mean, we missed this by a hair, Will.
	I mean, this could have had Your sons, me, my producer, all of us could have been embroiled because if you attack Syria, which is under the protection of Russia, this could have started a massive conflict with the Middle East as just its proxy zone.
	It could have gone who knows how hot.
	This could have been a war that devastated the American economy, that could have seen the reinstatement of the draft.
	It could have seen millions of people dead on both sides.
	Let's not understate this because of what?
	A phony claim that has now been completely and utterly debunked by this whistleblower.
	This is the stakes that we're playing with here.
	And President Trump, again, thank God that instead of doing what everybody around him and his later advisor, John Bolton, the mustache himself, would have wanted him to do, which is launch a full-scale invasion, thank God he launched a few missiles.
	But poor, poor Assad.
	I mean, it's terrible to feel sympathy for a man who is essentially a dictator, but this is a dictator who defends Christians, who allows for religious freedom in his country, who has been targeted by nothing but insane international propaganda to depict him as a warmonger and a monster who launches chemical attacks on his own people.
	It's an insufferable headache, Will.
	And again, I just thank God that President Trump is wise enough not to press the red button unnecessarily.
	Exactly.
	And you know what?
	This is biblical.
	I mean, I know I say that quite often, but it's biblical what they're trying to do here.
	And what they're trying to bring us into a war in the Middle East, and President Trump is trying to get us out of the Middle East, trying to get us out of the conflict, trying to get us away from all of the lies, from the globalists pushing onto them.
	And what I mean by is biblical because throughout the world, Christianity is under attack.
	Christianity is under attack like never before in the history of this planet.
	And many people see it and many people don't.
	And you know what?
	The talk about lies, The, how they lied about that and how, and even the liberal media and even some of the, those on the right, even they went with the whole fake story.
	Here's a story where again, the Communist News Network decided to lie about Devin Nunes.
	Devin Nunes, you know, he had, he did take a trip over to the Ukraine and now they're saying that all he met with the Ukrainian people, he's part of this whole scandal.
	So Devin Nunes, he put out a statement on that.
	Let's go to it.
	Well, Sean, like we've seen so many times over the last three years, every time House Republicans on the Intelligence Committee come up with real information and put it out there, what do they do?
	They smear the messenger.
	And the problem that CNN has this time and the Daily Beast is, look, I understand the last week and a half, it was a disaster for them.
	It was a train wreck for them.
	So what did they have to do?
	They had to come out and say, well, look, Devin Nunes was actually the one that was meeting with all of these Ukrainians.
	So, sorry CNN, it's totally false.
	So, we put out a very clear statement after the story came out on Friday night, saying it's demonstrably false, total fake news, and I will tell you Sean, For all of the last three years, including the Russia hoax to the Ukraine hoax, this is the mother of all fake news stories.
	There is not one bigger than this.
	And so next week, we are going to take them to court.
	They will have an opportunity to come to court so that we can subpoena each other, we can get discovery, we can set people down for depositions.
	And I have a bet for you, Sean.
	CNN and the Daily Beast are going to run for cover.
	They're going to fight this.
	They're not going to show up in court.
	They're not going to accept service.
	But at the end of the day, I'm going to track them down.
	And I'm going to hold them accountable because this has just gone on for too long and this is the only way we're going to be able to get retribution and be able to seek fairness and transparency in the media is by holding them accountable.
	Yes, they need to be held accountable because most of the stuff that's happening that's negative in this country has been driven by the liberal media.
	Think about that.
	It has been driven by the liberal media.
	Remove the liberal media and we will remove Most of our problems.
	We'll be back.
	We'll be back.
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	Okay, so the Democrats, Tom, they are in a situation right now where they should have thought about this before.
	But now they're in a situation with this whole impeachment hearing that they feel that they might actually be in trouble because they're not getting the public approval for this impeachment against President Trump.
	I think they're just recycling the same polls that they have in the past, trying to make it look like, oh yeah, the American people are, but you know what?
	The American people are actually not even paying attention to this whole impeachment process.
	People are tired of it.
	People are getting sick of it.
	So Tom, I want to share a video with you.
	This is with, if I'm not mistaken, this was on MSDNC, let me get it right, where they're saying that we got to get public opinion, this is not looking good for the Democrats, you know, but they want to try to spin it every way they can.
	So let's go to this video and then we'll come back and we'll get Tom's opinion on it as well.
	We think that this polling is, you know, a sort of a warning sign for them.
	I mean, if they're not able to move public sentiment at all with those five hearings with, what is it, like a dozen State Department or NSC officials coming forward and testifying against the President, I mean, that's a problem for them.
	I mean, this should be a high point for them in terms of making the case to the voters.
	But, you know, This hearing process was so fast for us in Washington.
	I mean, it was impossible for us to keep up.
	Think about voters in Ohio or Wisconsin, people who only tune in to news once a week.
	They were doing them back-to-back.
	It didn't sink in, clearly.
	And a lot of those voters, as they process the information, and we should give everybody the good grace, assume their common sense, the more they learn, they will listen.
	See, they're not getting a public approval, Tom, and I have to make a mistake.
	I have to correct my mistake there.
	I thought it was on MSDNC, but that was actually on the Criminal News Network.
	As if there's anything different between them other than the people.
	We don't have Tom's audio.
	So let's get that.
	Let's get that working.
	So we'll everybody can air me.
	There we go.
	Well, of course, MSNBC might be slightly more radical than the Clinton News Network, but only marginally.
	But one of the most fascinating parts of that is they seem to say that, well, you know, Midwest voters are just dumb.
	The people in Ohio and Wisconsin, they only watch the news once a week.
	They're a bunch of yokels who don't understand.
	They need to watch CNN every waking hour of every waking day and then maybe they'll understand why President Trump should be impeached.
	So that was rather insulting to me.
	I'm not from Ohio or Wisconsin, but I'm from the Midwest and we're not dumb people.
	In fact, There are studies saying that we're some of the smartest.
	But beyond that, I mean, they are utterly in panic mode.
	Now they're blaming the Democrats.
	But the fact is, even the early polls that seem to show a massive groundswell of support for impeachment, if you broke those down, most of them were phony polls.
	One of them was a poll of 150 people with a massive Tilt toward the Democrats.
	So, the polls were never for impeachment.
	The American public never wanted impeachment.
	The people who don't follow the news, who may live on the coast, they may live in the Midwest, they may live in Hawaii, we don't know.
	But the people who don't follow the news were very confused by this entire thing.
	They couldn't understand, was it bribery?
	Was it quid pro quo?
	Was it extortion?
	What exactly did he do wrong?
	People never were in support of this.
	They never will be in support of this.
	It was always Nancy Pelosi attempting to make the squad happy and attempting to unify the Democratic Party elite because AOC is now a member of the elite somehow.
	She was trying to unify them all together behind her and it was never going to work.
	Exactly.
	And you know what?
	You hit a key point.
	How they believe that the American people are stupid.
	But you know what?
	We have a special guest that's getting ready to come on with us right now that is a very smart person.
	And this is William Owens.
	He's an American poet.
	He was on a show not too long ago, and he was talking about the civil rights town halls that he's having across America.
	And now he's organizing a walk on Thanksgiving Day.
	And if I'm not mistaken, that's to represent what MLK has done in the past.
	So without further ado, let's bring on Mr. Owens with us now.
	There he is.
	How you doing, sir?
	Fantastic, man.
	Thanks for having me on your show.
	It's good to be with you all again.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	So, tell us what this walk is about, and why did you decide to do it on the holiday, the Thanksgiving holiday?
	You know, I was actually at Alabama's statehouse, and I was invited there to have prayer on a Tuesday.
	They have prayer there every Tuesday, and so I'm praying and processing a lot of the things that's happening in our country.
	And asking God for His direction, asking God for grace, asking God to really speak to the hearts of this nation.
	And as I was praying there, I actually just had an epiphany.
	And the epiphany, I saw myself walking from Montgomery back to Selma.
	And I saw myself in a suit, but with a chain over my shoulders.
	And I heard three words, God spoke to my heart, and that was, suit and chains.
	And the idea that he conveyed to me was that even though we as Americans can wear the suit we choose to wear, even though we can eat the food we choose to eat, even though we can live what we choose to live, and so on and so forth, in so many ways, Will, we're still in chains.
	We're still minimized by ideas, ideologies that want to manipulate us and constrain us to think a certain way.
	Unfortunately, politics today has become very manipulative.
	They have divided us into groups.
	They have led us to believe that we can't have conversation, that we can't get along, that we can't make use of the past in a powerful and positive way.
	When you really look at the march, the march from Selma to Montgomery, and really look at the history of it, you know, it was a bloody Sunday.
	But after that, it was Johnson who commissioned the National Guard to escort Not only black Americans, but white Americans, Jew Americans, all different ethnic groups to walk.
	And they did that walk from Selma to the state's capital in Montgomery.
	And so God just put in my heart to do this walk to remind us of where we've come from as a nation, and why we need to go back and revisit the reality of what was accomplished that day.
	Because I fear That we have lost that perspective and we have to get it back.
	So that's the theme of the walk, Suit and Chains.
	I also wrote a poem about that, that goes live on Thursday, the day I start the walk, which will be Thanksgiving Day and I'll walk on Friday and conclude on Saturday.
	So how do folks get involved in supporting you or in participating if that's possible?
	You know, I never expected people to actually want to walk with me.
	I'm going to start the walk.
	It was such a short notice, so that wasn't really my theme.
	But people can learn more about the walk on my website at americaspoet.com.
	They can get involved by following me on Skype.
	Our Skype page is America's Poet, as well as my Twitter account is Americas underscore Poet.
	And we just set my Twitter account up so you all can be some of the first persons to follow what God's calling me to do.
	I might also add that I really covet people's prayers.
	We have to do something radical.
	I so celebrate what you all are doing and educating people and informing people, but we need to do more.
	We need to take this education and become activated.
	You know, God gave me an idea behind the word radical, which is an acronym for a lot of different reasons, but the acronym he gave me was radical.
	Reaching after divinely inspired calling.
	You know, as I'm sitting in church hearing this idea come to me, reaching after divinely inspired callings, when I got to C, I said, OK, callings.
	Now, what's going to be A?
	What's going to be L?
	And it was just like calling C-A-L.
	So it worked out really great.
	You know, so, you know, I just encourage people.
	We got to do more.
	We have to do more.
	We have to get radical.
	We have to get out of our cubicles, out of our churches, out of wherever we are.
	You're right.
	You're absolutely right.
	We're getting ready to come to a break.
	You're absolutely right.
	We have to do more.
	And that's what it's about.
	And I applaud you for doing so.
	We're going to talk to Mr. Owens when we come back from the break.
	All right.
	Welcome back.
	Firepowernews.com and that video.
	All right, so we're talking to our guest, William Owens.
	He's doing a march or a walk this Thursday and to represent what he believes our rights are, civil rights and our freedoms.
	Mr. Owens, let me ask you about something that you wrote in the article.
	Yes.
	In an article you wrote about the walk, you said, as a nation we must remind ourselves why black and white Americans walk from Selma to Montgomery.
	We often forgotten what brought us together during a time of deep divide, violence, and even murder.
	I feel that Americans have forgotten that there was always been a large population of whites in America that have forgotten for, that have forgot for the civil war rights, that have fought, sorry, that have fought for the civil rights Of blacks.
	So why do you think that the history doesn't emphasize that fact?
	And do you think there's an agenda behind that?
	Well, of course, there's an agenda behind it.
	And that agenda is to create a continual systemic system of division.
	When people don't know the history, Then we are left at the mercy of people who will create spin on that history.
	We have to recognize that what happened during that time was a lot bigger than just what was obvious.
	And what was obvious was The inequality of blacks to be able to vote, the inequality of blacks to be able to participate in the issues.
	But also what we don't hear about is how a large company of Americans were in lockstep with King.
	In fact, after the Bloody Sunday, it was Johnson who decreed legislation for the National Guard to protect people walking from Montgomery to Selma.
	And if you look at some of the footage online on Will and Tom, I encourage people to Google the history of this walk.
	You can see white people and black people walking together Um, and then you see a particular after that, the voting act is passed.
	Blacks are now able to vote.
	And then we understood that was a lot more work to be done for economic equality.
	But I think the point that I'm trying to make with this walk here, Will and Tom, is this, that We have to stop acting like we have accomplished something as compared to what was accomplished then.
	It's been nearly three or four decades since that time, and look at where we have not come.
	We have suits, but we're still in chains.
	You know, if they don't have the excuse that they don't have, based on what they were working with, look at where we have come in modern day America, and yet we lack the civility that we should be able to have.
	I'm very disappointed with our politicians.
	Because they create division.
	They create systemic differences.
	And as a result, we're not capable of realizing that we as human beings can sit down, alone, without involvement of the Republicans or the Democrats, and create some type of conversation that can advance our communities.
	So my hope, as I conclude this in Selma on Saturday, I'm going to be launching on Thanksgiving Day, I know the article might say on tomorrow, but I'm actually launching Thanksgiving Day.
	As I walk throughout this event, I'm going to actually be writing poetry.
	I believe God's going to give me poetic as well as prolific poetry that speaks to the issue.
	My first poem is Suit and Chains, which will be released on Thanksgiving Day.
	You know, so that to answer your question, Tom, I think the reason why we don't want to hear the truth of what really happened is because it would all of a sudden change the narrative and we would begin talking about all the things that we can accomplish together as Americans.
	So let's kind of keep going on that track where they've hijacked this narrative to make it about their own purposes.
	Obviously their goal is to divide people, to control people, to turn them against each other for the purpose of everything from political power to ratings on the news.
	What do you think would happen if Americans could come together and actually see history for what it is?
	You know, Tom, that's a really, really good question.
	You know, it would absolutely be amazing.
	I think if you I think we can learn a lot from two and three year olds, you know, two and three year olds at a park.
	I just challenge you to go sit down and watch, you know, Okay, let me give them a few more years.
	Let's say five to six year olds, you know, they they're at a park and all they want to do is Find out what they have in common.
	They want to talk about their marbles They want to talk about their tennis shoes and before you know it they become great friends they don't have the the The temptation to begin to judge each other by the color of their hair or the beautiful freckles on their face or, you know, their shoes are newer than the other ones or look at the color of your car or the style of your car.
	So, Tom, I really believe that if we put away the cultural control, you know, we would be shocked at just how much we are controlled by the culture.
	We would absolutely be devastated if we could really step back and see ourselves through the lens of an unbiased viewpoint.
	And that is really see how we're carrying ourselves toward our community, toward our neighbor.
	You know, Jesus said, love your neighbor as yourself.
	He even says, love your enemies.
	So when we really look at those simple, those simple commandments, we're finding the lack of civility in the simplest of conversations now.
	And I want to just go back to one thing, how disappointed I am in our public servants.
	They're no longer public servants.
	They are self-servants.
	And this is why a lot of our politicians, they're lawyers, first of all.
	I mean, look at that in and of itself.
	You know, you study law to learn how to get around the system, not how to improve the system.
	I'm not saying all lawyers are like that.
	But Tom, I really believe on this Thanksgiving.
	You know, great majority.
	On this Thanksgiving season, when we should be giving thanks for so many things, I fear all we're going to do is slaughter a lot of birds, you know, eat with the same people, and not really be thankful for the deep things we have.
	I think we're going to be so anxious about jumping out to Black Friday to take advantage of getting more materials, of which we don't need, and really lose sight of what we have.
	What we have so much to be grateful for.
	So, as I make this walk, and I'm doing Facebook Live with people, I'm hoping and praying that God would touch their hearts.
	I'm going to be praying every step of the way.
	I'm going to have a chain on my neck, and I'm just going to be calling people out to do more.
	It's not enough for us to complain and to gripe.
	We have to do more, and I think it's going to take radical acts of love, radical acts of demonstrating our convictions, to bring people together, not to find fault.
	Exactly.
	You know, one thing, when I go out to a lot of different events, and I end up talking to certain people, because I'm a huge Trump supporter.
	And not that Trump is perfect by any means, but I am a Trump supporter.
	And a lot of times I get a lot of black people saying, how can you support him?
	He's racist, X, Y, Z, you know, the whole spiel, right?
	But, and sometimes they get pretty violent, they get pretty angry, and I remind them, I say, you know, those, those, and they have, they want to have like this slave mentality.
	And I bring something to the attention.
	I say, you know those shackles that you have on your hands and feet?
	They don't have any locks.
	And then they just look at me and I say, you can take them off.
	And then I've said that to a couple people and they just exploded.
	They get angry with me.
	And I said, so you're acting like we take the shackles off and you want to put them on and then now you're looking for locks.
	Why do you think the majority of the people want to be victims in this whole scheme of things?
	People want to remain victims and not be victorious.
	Why are you answering that in the minute and a half that we have left?
	Again, tell everyone how they can connect with you over the holiday.
	Fantastic.
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	Twitter is American underscore poet and Facebook is America's Poet.
	You know, to answer your question, the chain represents so many different things, Will and Tom.
	I think the chain not only represents a mindset that people have, whether it's related to a history of slavery, for example, physical slavery in which blacks were enslaved for over 200 years in America, but it also represents a form of bondage that's mental.
	It's a mindset.
	It also represents systemic racism, systemic economic injustice, systemic judgment of one another.
	So it's not just one thing.
	And so to your point, yes, there are those who have Yielded themselves to fear and I think the reason why to put it really really simple is because you have to take Responsibility now for what you believe and so it's easy to become a victim It's easy to just be told what to believe and to be responsible for what you believe because in order to do that You have to be you have to apply yourself.
	Yes, you haven't used your brain.
	It hurts when you learn that's why people That's what, yeah, that's why they say the truth hurts.
	The truth hurts.
	Hey, I want to thank you for coming on with us, sir, and enjoy your walk.
	Thanks.
	Take care, guys.
	Thanks, Tom.
	And Will, I appreciate it.
	All right, we'll be back.
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	I am Tom Pappert, co-hosting with Will Johnson.
	Our next guest is Raymond Ibrahim.
	He is the consummate expert on Islam, and he has a brand new book out, or at least fairly new, about the 14 centuries of war between Islam and the West.
	I'm very excited to have him on, especially as we have new details coming out about Ilhan Omar.
	You're suggesting she may be, in fact, a Qatari agent.
	There you can see his book on screen.
	Welcome to Firepower, Mr. Raymond, and thank you so much for coming on.
	Hi, Tom.
	Thanks for having me.
	Good to be with you.
	Fantastic.
	We're glad to have you here.
	So tell us a little bit, if you can, about how you became interested in this subject, and just kind of give us an overview of your background, if you don't mind.
	Sure.
	Well, first I became interested in it because of my own personal background.
	I'm of Egyptian heritage, both sides of my family, specifically Coptic, the Coptic Orthodox Christian ethnicity, who are actually the original indigenous peoples of Egypt.
	So, being born and raised like that obviously made me interested in the entire Middle East and that whole region, Islam, the situation of Christians under Islam, past and present.
	I was born in the United States, but I grew up bilingually, so I also speak Arabic and have studied a lot of languages in college, and so also professionally.
	You know, aside from my personal interest in this field, I studied it, so my master's degree is in history, with an emphasis on the Islamic Middle East.
	And I also went to Georgetown University, and I also went to Catholic University to graduate courses, worked at the Near East section of the Library of Congress, where actually I found untranslated documents by Osama bin Laden and Ayman Zawahiri soon after 9-11, and I translated them in my first book, The Al-Qaeda Reader.
	So, basically, I've had an interest both from, you know, just who I am, for, you know, ethnic and religious reasons, and also professionally, I've been studying it.
	And, you know, I'm one of those guys, you can say, who actually was studying this thing and part of it before 9-11.
	Because, as you know, after 9-11, you got a crop of experts that just popped up overnight.
	So I'm proud to say I'm one of the older group.
	Well, Raymond, I want to thank you for coming on with us.
	Let me ask you, do you see Islam infiltrating America, and what are some of the signs that will confirm that?
	Well, it's infiltrating it.
	You know, let's backtrack real quick.
	The word jihad, which we're all familiar with right now, when you use the word, a lot of times it used to be translated as holy war.
	This is how early Europeans translated it, and there's reason for that.
	But the word itself, as many Muslim apologists will often insist, is not about war.
	It just means to struggle, to strive, to work hard to achieve something.
	And that which is to be achieved is the empowerment and spread of Islam.
	And so I say that as a preface because, you know, historically it was always through warfare because you weren't going to dupe pre-modern people, you know, by talking about multiculturalism or anything like that.
	You had to actually beat them on the battlefield.
	But today, even though Islam is militarily, financially weaker, it is infiltrating the West and now it's doing this other jihad, which is still a jihad.
	This is the jihad of propaganda, the jihad And in fact, these terms are actually classified in Islamic jurisprudence.
	You have the jihad of the pen, jihad of the tongue, jihad of money.
	All of these are bona fide jihads, and they're all aimed to empowering Islam.
	So in the West, you see that very well, especially in America, a group like the Muslim Brotherhood, Which is really the granddaddy of all the Islamic terror groups.
	You name an Islamic terrorist and he used to be a member of the Muslim Brotherhood.
	That includes the recently killed Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi of ISIS and also Osama Bin Laden and of course the current Al-Qaeda leader Ayman Zawahiri.
	All of them were Muslim Brotherhood members.
	The difference between the Muslim Brotherhood and the Jihadists is they take a Slow, incremental approach.
	And, you know, they denounce terrorism formally, and they engage in politics, and they engage in elections, and so forth.
	And the Muslim Brotherhood went from being a banned terrorist organization in Egypt, where it was founded, to basically being part of the elections in 2012, and one of their members, Mohamed Morsi, actually won in Egypt.
	Now again, of course, It's an illegal organization, but in the West, in the United States specifically, you have a lot of Muslim Brotherhood front groups, such as CAIR, Council on American Islamic Relations, and many other groups who, it's not even controversial, it's not, you know, are they or are they not part of a Brotherhood?
	They are, they're a front group.
	This has come out in actual court cases, specifically the Holy Land Foundation.
	In 2008, and it's an unindicted co-conspirator.
	So you actually have the jihad actually happening right now in America, not in the violent means, but through the classical expression of the word as a struggle and a striving with their mouths through propaganda, through lies, through anything, subversion by these Islamist types.
	And it's from the Muslim Brotherhood, who is actually, think about it, a lot of our Not just the Muslim Brotherhood, but front groups like CARE, which operates freely in the United States, is actually considered a terrorist organization in countries like the UAE, for example, and other places.
	By name, C.A.R.E., not just the Muslim Brotherhood and C.A.R.E.
	by association, but by name.
	And yet they have so much clout today as a, you know, so-called civil rights group.
	They even recently, I had a personal, you know, clash with them again recently where I was invited to speak at the U.S.
	Army War College about my book.
	And they just, you know, went crazy and depicted me as a racist, despite my ethnic background, and a white supremacist, and the War College.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And the War College, right, not Berkeley, not some liberal institution, actually capitulated to that, and they cancelled the event.
	So that's the jihad going on in America.
	So in the next segment, I want to talk a little bit more about your book and kind of the historical context.
	But first, let's talk about kind of this jihad by immigration.
	I mean, we've seen entire parts of the country basically overwhelmed with, I guess you call them refugees is the politically correct word.
	And now we have, of course, several Islamic members of Congress, Ilhan Omar, the Congresswoman, EMF, or all of these insane people that are out there saying that, I mean, we know the type of things they're saying.
	It's absolutely reprehensible.
	So where do you see this going?
	And do you fear that violence may erupt in the United States in the future?
	Well, you know, if you look at precedents and examples, look at Sweden.
	It's almost like a war zone from their so-called refugees, the majority of whom are oftentimes Muslim Somalis.
	And Somalia is considered one of the most radical Islamic nations.
	And you have, you know, it's of course described in the media as riots by youth.
	But you come to find out the vast majority is Muslims and it's these closed off sort of ghetto no-go zones and that sort of thing.
	But one point that you raise, and I just want to address quickly about refugees, which is ironic, is, you know, the vast majority, and this was especially under Barack Obama, The vast majority of refugees that were taken into the America were not just Muslim, but they were Sunni Muslim.
	Now, what's ironic to me is ISIS, who created or is credited with creating the refugee crisis by what they were doing in the Middle East, is a Sunni organization.
	You can call it radical or not, which means by definition they do not target or attack fellow Sunnis.
	Okay, in fact they espouse a similar worldview and that's we can get into that whole classical, you know worldview of Sunni Islam But which is militant and jihadist by nature, but it's you know under Obama and so forth You had like ninety nine point five percent of those who we were taken in were actually Sunni Muslims.
	So who were they?
	Who are they exactly running away from because Isis wasn't attacking them Isis was attacking Christians Yazidis Shias and those groups and you didn't see them.
	So that's just I You know, a quick aside to give you the nature of this, you know, the refugee crisis and what has happened.
	Same thing with Europe, where they've got millions of refugees, the vast majority of them Sunni Muslims, males of a young age.
	You know, they're not poor, impoverished women and children or elderly people.
	The vast majority of them are militant males who come in.
	And you see what's happening in all these nations in Germany, in the UK, Scandinavia, we mentioned Sweden and so forth.
	Here in the United States, you know, to your question, it's still a small population, Muslims in general, including migrants.
	But again, if you look to precedent what's happening in Europe is oftentimes when it comes to the question of Islam, Europe is, you know, something of a, you know, it's what we can see for our future.
	And it's not going well.
	Basically, anywhere you have large Muslim populations, You see the sorts of things that happen to non-Muslims under Islam.
	So I focus a lot on Christian persecution.
	You know, the destruction of churches.
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	I am Tom Paffert, co-hosting with Will Johnson.
	Our guest is Raymond Ibrahim.
	And Raymond, I want to turn the conversation to your book, which is absolutely fascinating to me.
	It's called Sword and Scimitar.
	It's available on Amazon, and I'm sure you can get it everywhere.
	Good books are sold.
	But, what I love about it is you're breaking down the West's relationship with Islam.
	How Islam has taken over massive chunks of what was once considered to be the heart of the Christian world.
	How that has almost always been the West on retreat or in a defensive war against Islam.
	And this is all stuff that if you ask the average liberal college student, or even apparently a military school college student, they don't seem to understand this anymore.
	I just to start I can you kind of debunk the myth that you know the Christians have this horrible dark ages and if it was not for Islam we would all be doing adding on a on a on an ancient we would be using stones to add and we wouldn't have English and we would be you know we would be nowhere without the Muslims can you just kind of tell us why this is a fallacy?
	Absolutely, Tom.
	The long and short of it is that for someone like me who's, you know, very much steeped in the historical texts between Islam and the West, my master's degree that I wrote, maybe you know Victor Davis Hanson, he was my chair of my thesis, and it was about the first military conflict between Islam and the West about 20 years ago.
	So I've been really following this mostly in the original languages.
	And so basically these are books and texts that very few people know of.
	And, you know, in short, the story that they tell is The antithesis of the story that we're told.
	The story that we're told is basically Islam spread, maybe sometimes it was a little stern or austere, the word they like to use, but of course Christians and medieval Europeans were the epitome of backwardness, fanaticism and so forth.
	And then, you know, the problem started with the Crusades.
	Out of nowhere, you know, these crazy Christians and evil Pope decided to go and create problems.
	And historians actually say this.
	People like John Esposito, in his book, he literally says four centuries of peace, you know, transpired between Islam and the Christian world until, you know, the Pope sent and created, you know, a legacy of mistrust and animosity and grievances.
	Okay.
	The reality, like I said, is the exact opposite.
	If you went in the 7th century, The 7th century when Islam came into being, okay, and you look, first of all, there was no concept of the West.
	What you had, because back then civilizations, like many of them today, were defined by their religion, Hinduism, Islamic world, so you had Christendom, you had the Christian world.
	And in that time, in the 7th century, the Islamic world's jihads literally conquered permanently three quarters of what was the original Christian world.
	They conquered actually the richer, more civilized, older region, which is North Africa, from Morocco to Egypt, and the Middle East, Syria, Iraq, Turkey, and so forth, with the Ottoman Turks.
	And they Arabized them.
	And so now today, for instance, when I talk about Christian persecution in North Africa or the Middle East or of Egypt, my ancestors, you know, the Copts, first question I get is, you know, we feel bad for those Christians, but why are they living there in those Muslim lands?
	And it just shows you the extreme ignorance.
	So that sort of thing goes on non-stop until, in the book, you know, I talk about battles in the history, until certain key battles stopped the advance of Islam.
	But even after that, for a thousand years, Islam kept bombarding Europe.
	It reached as far as Iceland.
	How many people know that?
	And brought slaves as jihadists, as they define themselves.
	America's first war as a nation, after the Revolutionary War, was against Muslims.
	The Barbary Wars.
	And when Thomas Jefferson met with the ambassador and asked him, why are you attacking our people and slaving them?
	The ambassador, just like an ISIS representative, said, because our holy books, the Quran, our prophet says this, you're infidels, it's our right to conquer, kill, enslave, etc.
	So this sort of thing goes on non-stop.
	Today, you know, the word the West, which we all use, we don't understand the origin of it.
	As I was saying, you know, originally the Christian world was much bigger.
	The West was really the westernmost portion of Christianity, of Christendom, that never got conquered, or did temporarily, such as in Spain, or portions of Russia, Balkans, and so forth.
	That's why it's called the West.
	It was the westernmost region of that large block that was permanently conquered.
	And when you look through the pages in the book, for instance, and I made it a point to really document it, so it's got well over a thousand footnotes from primary sources, most of them, because I don't want people to say these are my words.
	I really quote, you know, mostly Muslims, but also contemporary Europeans and so forth.
	But if you look at it, it is just one long You know, 14th century jihad that makes ISIS, who we're told has nothing to do with Islam, look like Boy Scouts.
	So everything that ISIS has done, imagine that on an exponential level going on century after century after century.
	Okay, how many people know that literally 15 million Europeans were enslaved By the Ottomans, and by the Barbary Pirates, and by the Crimean Tatars.
	All of whom were Muslims, all of whom articulated what they were doing in Islamic terms.
	Not many people know this, so this is the problem we have, and this is why I wanted to bring the book out.
	A lot of people make the argument against Islam through doctrinal arguments.
	Okay, so they say the Quran says this, Muhammad says this, etc.
	I do that too, and I think it's valid, but I think it doesn't resonate with a lot of American minds, which have become very relativistic and postmodern.
	So what I wanted to do with this book is say, okay, let's put abstract doctrines aside.
	Let's see what Islam has done to and in the West historically.
	And like I said, the answer is ISIS on a much larger scale, nonstop, with horrific things that people cannot even begin to imagine.
	I still get historians.
	Or write to me and say, we studied this period and we're learning from this book because we were never taught this.
	And the reason people aren't taught this is because they don't read primary sources.
	And if you read the secondary sources, they've been so whitewashed and watered down and the Islamic jihad element has been completely expunged.
	And this has created so much mischief.
	This is why after 9-11 people were saying, what went wrong?
	Why do they hate us?
	Well, if you understood history, nothing went wrong and they've hated you from the start.
	Yeah.
	So, with Ilhan Omar being a politician and Rashida Tlaib, what do you see Christianity in the next, let's say, 20, 30 years if they continue to bring more of their ideas into the political realm and then finish off by telling everyone how they can get your book again and how they can connect with you?
	Well, you know, Christianity in America is under assault, authentic, true Christianity, from a myriad of sources, one of which is Islam, and Ilhan Omar, and these sorts of people.
	But you have to remember, and this is another key point, which actually, again, it comes out in the book, that, you know, Islam's jihad on the West, on Europe, and on other places, I focus in the book on the West, but, you know, it was everyone who was non-Muslim, Um, historically was manifested through arms, through violence, because you were not going to go and tell people how to live.
	You weren't going to shame them and tell them they're racists or they're not multicultural or anything in the pre-modern era.
	So you have to go and actually fight them.
	But today, you know, these groups are doing what I call a soft jihad and, you know, they're getting away with it, you know.
	So, for example, you know, someone like Pope Francis, who you would think, you know, historically, whatever you think of Catholics, the Catholic Pope actually was the one who spearheaded the defense of the Christian world against Islam, historically.
	Now today you have this Pope who, you know, is as relativistic as can be, who is always apologizing for Islam, who always tries to It's been basically a surrender.
	sideline the Islamic Jihad element and also and basically wants Christians to be doormats.
	And I think that's one of the most mainstream idea today.
	I call it doormat Christianity.
	You know, it's basically a surrender.
	Quickly, tell us where we can find your book and where we can connect with you online.
	Sure.
	Well, my book, like you said, you can get it on Amazon.
	It's probably the most, you know, least expensive there, but I've seen it also in other bookstores, Barnes & Noble, you know, Target and so forth.
	As far as connecting with me, my best place is my website, RaymondIbrahim.com, or also my social media.
	You can find me on Facebook and Twitter and basically anything I put on my website goes up there.
	Fantastic.
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	Yes, Jeff Epstein did not kill himself.
	Jeffrey Epsley didn't kill himself.
	He was a victim of a knock inside.
	Jeffrey Epsley didn't kill himself.
	All right, welcome back.
	Yeah, Jeff Epsley did not kill himself.
	There's a contest that's going on with five big ones.
	But we have another guest that's coming on with us.
	I think this is the first time since we've been doing these broadcasts that we've had so many guests come on in a single evening.
	And I think everything that's happening with everything that's going on, I think it's just appropriate that we have these guests come on and talk about these different things.
	The next person, this gentleman, I've known him for a while now, Jeff Robertson.
	He's actually a fireman.
	He has many names, many positions under his hat.
	But he's a conservative, and he's known to align with the fundamentals of Christianity.
	And we're going to talk about how the Christian conservative movement is being infiltrated today in America.
	And some people are not even recognizing, and some people don't even know.
	So we're going to bring Jeff on, and with myself and Tom Peppert.
	Are you there, Jeff?
	I'm here.
	Awesome, awesome.
	Thank you for joining us.
	So before we get into this deep, deep discussion about the conservative Christian movement being infiltrated, I want to share a video with you and for our viewers and listeners so they can get a kind of an idea of what we're talking about here.
	Because a lot of people are not aware.
	Okay, so let's go with that clip.
	Political control.
	It's a form of political control.
	And you have multiple times advocated on behalf of accepting homosexuality, accepting homosexual acts as normative in the conservative movement.
	How does *** sex help us win the culture war?
	I'm gonna let the gay man answer that.
	Wait a minute, wait a minute!
	Isn't that a good question?
	So can I ask you a question?
	Can you have the balls to ask the gay man on the stage that question and don't refer to him?
	So ask me that question.
	I want to answer you that question.
	You already asked the question, so I'm going to answer that question.
	I'm going to ask you that question.
	This is America.
	This is the greatest freaking nation in the world.
	We realize that America is great because we have Western values.
	We realize that... No, no, no, let me finish, dude.
	We realize that gays and lesbians are able to contribute to American society in the same way that everybody else is.
	And let me tell you, and let me tell you, when you continue doing that, okay, you realize that we are here, we are able to do everything.
	And let me tell you something as well.
	I served in the military, right?
	I served five years.
	I've been in Iraq.
	What's up?
	How does homosexual sex help us win the culture war?
	Who said homosexual sex helps you win the culture war?
	That is the question that I'm asking.
	Why are you promoting it?
	Well, it's a BS question.
	Thank you.
	You know it is.
	It's a question that is not a good faith question.
	It is.
	I'm going to be honest.
	Honestly, I don't care what two consenting adults do.
	Why?
	And your hyper-focus on it is kind of weird.
	Thanks for being here.
	I mean, you seem to be really interested in gay sex.
	I'm pretty sure if you're into that... You can cut it there.
	I mean, they're deviating from the question.
	I mean, the question was to Charlie Kirk.
	Is asking why is he introducing homosexual into the conservative movement?
	Because, for the most part, the Democrats, they reject God.
	The conservatives, for the most part, they accept God.
	They bring God into it.
	People vote based on our values.
	So, what did you think about when, it was addressing the question to him, but the gay guy on the stage had to jump in.
	What are your views on that?
	Yeah, this is definitely a difficult subject.
	I had to evolve in my views a little bit until I watched your video on that.
	Because initially I was thinking, okay, the conservative movement has lots of people in the conservative movement, and I know that there are some gay people who are coming into it, because all gay people aren't in favor of abortion, and all gay people are not in favor of socialism, and those kind of things that the Democratic Party are infatuated with.
	So some of them are coming over until the conservative movement.
	As a matter of fact, there's a A popular TV personality.
	She used to have her own talk show as well.
	And she's on Fox News a lot.
	She used to be in the Democratic Party.
	And she is a gay woman.
	She's told her story before.
	And now she is a conservative.
	She's come out of the Democrats after, you know, seeing their shenanigans.
	And so she's conservative.
	But you don't see her every day talking about me as a gay woman.
	Me as a gay woman.
	So I was a little conflicted for a little bit because as a Christian, I'll put it this way, as a Christian, we know that the gay agenda is out there trying to force itself even into Christendom.
	You know, they have gay pastors, they have gay affirming churches.
	I'm absolutely opposed to that.
	The scriptures doesn't talk about a gay church or gay pastor or gay affirmation.
	It condemns homosexuality.
	But then on the other side, when you have the sort of the conservative movement, and when there are some gay people who wanted to come to the conservative movement, again, like I said, I'm okay with that because it's like, well, all gay people are interested in the democratic communist movement.
	But when it comes to what you were talking about that sort of opened my eyes, what Charlie Kirk was doing, I only basically knew about Charlie Kirk because of Candace Owens.
	She used to be joined with him.
	And I'm a big Candace Owens fan.
	So that's how I really came to find out about Charlie Kirk.
	But now that I see that he's bringing in This homosexual agenda, and he's bringing in a transgender agenda.
	So it's the same thing that is trying to enforce itself into the church, and I'm certainly not in agreement.
	Charlie Kirk is a conservative Christian, and if his movement is for conservative Christians, then I don't believe there's room for the homosexual and the transgender movement They can join themselves to another secular movement in the conservative movement, because all conservatives are not Christians.
	But if Charlie Kirk says that he is a Christian conservative, then he doesn't need to give voice to the gay agenda, which I see that is happening.
	I really appreciate what you had to say there, Jeff, and thank you again for coming on the show.
	It sounds like what is the real concern here is that the conservative movement, or at least Charlie Kirk's sect of it, is becoming so embroiled in identity politics that they're losing the plot.
	We've had Lady MAGA, who is apparently a pro-Trump drag queen, share a stage with Charlie Kirk.
	We've had this Rob Fellow who not that long ago was on CNN lambasting Trump for refusing to allow transgendered people in the military, and now he's sharing a stage with Charlie Kirk talking about how Man-on-man sex is good for conservatism or something like that.
	So, would you say that it's really about conservatives falling victim to this whole identitarian, okay, we got the gays, we got the this, we got the that mindset?
	Yes, I think that in their effort to make this movement grow and to make sure Trump gets back in office, because I was reading an article also, they were talking about two recent polls, the Emerson poll and the Rasmussen poll, both saying that the, you know, in 2016, Trump received 8% of the black vote.
	And now there are 34 and 34.5% of African-Americans who are in favor of Trump.
	And if the Republicans just get half of that, you know, the Democrats don't stand a chance.
	So I think that what's happening is they're trying to enlarge these movements.
	Charlie Kirk is thinking he's trying to enlarge the conservative tent by bringing in more blacks, more Latinos, and then unfortunately now they're also drawing in the transgender and the gay movement.
	And I don't think that there's room for that.
	As I said, all gay people don't believe in abortion.
	They don't want the socialists So they can, I think they can join other movements.
	There are other conservative moves out there that aren't primarily Christian conservative.
	And I agree with you guys' assessment.
	Charlie Kirk claims to be a Christian conservative, so I don't think that there's room for gays and transgenders to come in in that movement.
	I'm not trying to tell them how they should vote.
	But if we call ourselves Christians, and when I say Christian, I don't mean Christian in the sense of just because we're Americans.
	I mean Christian in the sense that we believe in the incarnation, we believe in the life, the birth, the death, the burial, the resurrection of Jesus Christ and being disciples and followers of him.
	I'm talking about that.
	If you're a Christian and you're conservative, then there's no room for a big agenda.
	So Jeff, so when we come back from a break I want to play another video for you with Charlie Kirk on stage and where he does says that he's a Christian and even other guy says that he's a gay Christian.
	So we're going to play that video as soon as we come back from the break.
	We'll get right into that and then we'll go back to Mr. Jeff Robinson right after this.
	My question is largely directed to Mr. Kirk because you were raised as a conservative.
	Part of the issue I see here is, um, what's your name, Rob?
	Yeah.
	So you're saying, oh, this, you're behind the times, this isn't conservative.
	Well, we don't want centrists in the conservative movement.
	We want to retain our core values.
	But here's the thing, but here's the thing, it's not about what you want, because here's the thing, the beauty about social media, the beauty about social media is that I can be me and I can bring myself to the table.
	And it's not about what you want, it's about what the people want.
	And if there are enough people in this movement that say, hey, Rob is cool, he's gay, whatever, it really doesn't matter what you think.
	You can say whatever you want, you can believe whatever you want to believe.
	But it's not going to stop me from doing what I'm doing.
	And it's not going to deplatform me.
	So my question is, again, it's directed to Mr. Kirk because he was raised as a conservative.
	You know, as the guy before us said, you know, you've advocated for homosexuality, said that there's a place for the gay agenda within the conservative movement.
	My question is, and you're also comfortable with transgenders and cross-dressers, I understand.
	So my question is, is there any point where conservatives should take a moral stance on Christian morality, or should we abandon it altogether?
	So in other words, what is TPUSA's, what is your brand of conservatism doing to actually conserve Christian morality?
	If we're ceding to the left on transgender, gay rights, gay marriage, we don't want that in conservatism.
	So you don't want him in the conservative movement?
	I just want to be very clear.
	Let's just be... So you don't want me in the movement?
	Hold on a sec.
	I want to be very clear.
	Hold on a sec.
	You're bringing some very charged language.
	I'm going to try to calm down the temperature in the room.
	So I can try to rationally understand an irrational position.
	Let me finish.
	So, I'm a Christian.
	I believe the Bible is the greatest book ever to exist in the history of the world.
	And I believe Rob Smith has decency and dignity as an individual in the United States of America.
	Hold on a second.
	We're not a theocracy.
	We never have been.
	You know what, and wait a minute, and wait a minute, let me hop in here, hold on, because he's addressing me.
	The thing that I don't understand, well, I'm addressing you, how about that?
	You don't even have the courage to address the gay man on stage.
	So, the problem that I have with, as somebody that is a gay Christian, and this is the problem that I have, because my relationship with God and coming back into the church over the past year and a half is one of the greatest gifts that has been given to me in terms of being in this movement.
	So my question, and my question to everybody who tries to say that, oh, you shouldn't be, you know, Christian because you're gay, why are you trying to turn people away from God?
	So if you love God, and Christianity is so great because I do love God, so why would you be trying to turn me away?
	Why would you be trying to turn me away from God?
	And one thing that I don't do is that there is no man that is of this earth that is going to tell me what God has for me and how much God has for me.
	Okay, so it's not about him turning away from God.
	If he really wants to go to God, he's going to repent and stop his sinful acts.
	It's not about them coming into the conservative movement and rejecting him.
	If you come into the conservative movement, you can be an atheist.
	I mean, if you want to go into the conservative movement, you can be Muslim.
	You can be all these different things.
	You can live a sinful lifestyle going into the conservative movement.
	The problem here is that they're introducing this sinful lifestyle, the homosexual acts that he's committing, as this is something that should be embraced by the conservatism that's in this country.
	That we reject.
	Sinful acts, we reject them.
	Because all of us, we are all sinners.
	And everyone that's in the conservative movement, we're all sinners.
	But you don't see me or people in the conservative movement going out saying, hey, we need to have a parade about my sin.
	You need to embrace my sin.
	We don't need to get medical benefits because of my sins.
	They're twisting what the actual question is.
	They're removing the morals that consist in the conservative movement in this nation to fit their narrative.
	And Charlie Kirk is being a vessel for it.
	Yes.
	And notice what they did is when the young man was addressing them and he was talking about, we don't want the homosexual agenda.
	We don't want the transgender agenda in the conservative movement.
	We want to maintain our conservatism.
	But what they did is they took that and they made it about a person.
	But it's not about a person.
	It's not about Rob Smith or whatever his name is.
	But then also his reply was very telling.
	It shows that he wants to hold on to his homosexuality.
	Because he's saying, why are you trying to drive me away from God?
	Rather than saying, why are you trying to drive me away from my homosexuality?
	Christianity is clear.
	Jesus Christ plainly says, whoever comes to me, I will no wise cast out.
	But then he also says, whoever comes after me, though, must deny himself.
	Take up the cross and follow Jesus.
	And so this young man, he's talking about, why are you trying to turn me away from God?
	He's telling us that he'd rather move away from God than to give up his homosexuality.
	So that's very telling also.
	And so why should Charlie Kirk be bringing something like that into the conservative movement when it shows clearly, again, that they have an agenda.
	They want to bring it in.
	The Democratic Party obviously has fully embraced That lifestyle.
	It's in their platform.
	They fully embrace it.
	They're in full favor of gay marriage and they're trying to force the transgender movement on us by allowing transgenders to read to children in libraries, you know, the three and four, five-year-olds.
	But what happens is they're trying to get the conservative movement to comply with that and come under that umbrella.
	And I think that that's what they're trying to do, to bring that in, to infiltrate And yes, you guys are doing what's right.
	Christians ought to stand just as strong about not allowing gays to come into the church.
	To pollute that, you know, that environment and cause Christians to accept it.
	But neither should the conservative movement, the Christian conservative movement, allow it to come into their ranks either.
	And it's not about rejecting Rob Smith.
	It's about rejecting an ideology.
	That's what they do.
	They always want to make it about Ed Hammond and, you know, attack the man.
	No, we're saying we disagree with the homosexual promotion because God said that marriage is between one man and one woman.
	That's it.
	That's the Christian conservative stance.
	That's what we believe and we shouldn't move from it.
	And it looks like that's what this movement is trying to do is to get us to turn away from that belief.
	Exactly.
	Jeff, you made a really good point there saying that it seems like this Rob character apparently would rather turn away from God than turn away from his sin.
	I think that is the crux of his entire persona.
	I looked this guy up on social media a little while ago and he has about 10,000 followers on Facebook from my understanding.
	And part of his point, of course, was, well, because of social media, if people want me to be a gay black conservative, then I can be a gay black conservative and you can't do anything about it.
	He also claimed that he wouldn't be deplatformed.
	Well, he recently, without any explanation, had, he was going to host a solo TPUSA event.
	I think that when you said mainstream, do you mean Christian or just mean conservative in general?
	same day it was supposed to go.
	So I'm curious, do you think that mainstream conservatives or maybe the new right, the people who are watching this broadcast who follow you, who follow me, who follow Will, do you think that folks are really willing to accept this type of switch up all of a sudden? - I think that when you said mainstream, do you mean Christian or just mean conservative in general? - I would say Christian. - Because I think many times as conservatives, as Christian, do you mean Christian or just mean conservative in general?
	As Christian?
	Yeah, I think that people who are really committed to Christ, they don't agree with this.
	They don't want to go with it.
	But unfortunately, I do believe that many times just the mainstream conservative movement, like, you know, you're Republicans, you're conservatives.
	Unfortunately, they have a problem with compromise and they just roll over because they want to just be nice.
	You know, they want to get along.
	They don't want to make it seem like we don't want to make waves.
	We don't want to seem like we're attacking people or coming against people.
	But it's not about attacking people.
	Again, it's standing against an ideology.
	You know, the homosexual is a victim of a wrong, sinful, faulty ideology.
	And unfortunately, many times, they think that if... How can I say this?
	They're convinced that their homosexuality is not a sin.
	So therefore, They, in general, are good people.
	They don't have anything else to repent of.
	Yeah, you're right.
	You're absolutely right.
	They believe that they're in the right.
	They're in the good, and God wants them to be that way.
	God wants them to live that sinful act where it's clear as day in the Bible what it says about living that sinful lifestyle.
	Hey Jeff, thank you.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Hey, Jeff, I want to thank you for coming on with us.
	I love your insight.
	And you know what?
	This is an infiltration.
	Look at Buttigieg.
	Buttigieg is rising in the ranks in the Democrat Party, which I expect that.
	But for them to do that here in the conservative movement, I mean, we got to fight against it because we need to hold on to something that has morals and values in this country.
	So again, I want to thank you for coming on with us.
	Yeah, I want to thank you so much for coming on and giving your insight.
	Jeff Robinson, everybody.
	He's a fireman and a very good patron and good friend.
	All right.
	Thank you so much.
	Thanks.
	All right.
	Take care.
	All right, everyone.
	This is another one.
	We will be we will be here tomorrow.
	God's willing.
	God bless you.
	God bless our president and God bless America.

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