Live w/ Kyle Seraphin! Guthrie Kidnapping Breaking News! Buffooner at FBI! Epstein Fallou & MORE!
Kyle Seraphin and former FBI agent-turned-whistleblower critique the agency’s weaponization, exposing Chris Ray and Kash Patel’s private jet hypocrisy—Patel’s $5M Chinese stock options and alleged Qatari funds—while mocking Congress’s delegation of power via the Administrative Procedures Act. They question Savannah Guthrie’s kidnapping video’s amateurish execution, suspecting family or financial motives over professional snipers, and dismiss FBI insiders’ speculation as unqualified. Epstein’s $105M Virgin Islands settlement contradicts denials, per Seraphin, who pivots to Locals for "sensible" discussions. The episode frames federal agencies as rogue, prioritizing political agendas over public safety. [Automatically generated summary]
We're going to start today's show, not so much with a video of RFK Jr., but rather a video that will allow me to dunk on Dr. so-called Dr. Peter Hotez.
For those of you who don't remember Dr. Peter Hotez, he was on Joe Rogan, and he is an utter buffoon when it comes to COVID, health, vaccines, and the refusal to have a public, quote, debate or otherwise known as discussion with RFK Jr.
Behold.
For 20 years, I was, you know, screaming about this with nobody paying attention.
No pediatricians, which is really strange.
What happened to the pediatricians?
They know, I mean, some of them have been working for 20 years and they know that kids are not, you know, they've seen this increase, this influx and all these diseases.
And I was censored and shut down.
And I prayed every single day that God would put me in a place where I could fix this.
And so for me, when President Trump asked me to join his campaign in August of 2024, it felt providential.
It felt like the answer to prayers.
And then, you know, he kept his word to me on everything and more.
He invited me to be part of his transition team.
I'm the first HHS secretary in history that was able to choose all of my agency heads, Marty and Jay and Dr. Oz.
That's never happened before.
And I think because of that, we have a collegiality and a sense of teamwork.
And, you know, we're trying to make it easier for parents to make good choices.
Very much common sense.
I think everyone who's watching now likes RFK Jr., very much so.
In fact, I would dare say that if there's anybody who's been watching this channel for a while that has a problem with RFK Jr., you might have some issues with his past statements on Schmushmortin or Second Amendment's issues.
When it comes to health, if you have a problem with RFK Jr., I would posit that you might be the problem and not RFK Jr.
Hence why I, oh, Peter Hotez, Peter Hotez, who once, I believe, made the claim that attacks on him were indications of anti-Semitism because everybody on earth knew that Peter Hotez was Jewish.
Dude, I got a pretty decent, you know, what do we call the Judar?
I can, I, you know, we all know in the community, you know, oh, yeah, Roseanne.
When I grew up and I found out Roseanne Barr was Jewish, I was like, holy cows, Roseanne Barr.
Pee Wee Herman, when I found out Pee Wee Herman was Jewish, I didn't know Peter Hotez was Jewish until he cried anti-Semitism when people were picking on him for being a coward and a buffoon.
He tweets out, we already heard your RFK.
He tweets out, for those of you listening on podcast, in response to HHS rapid response tweet, and you just heard the tweet, all BS and gaslighting.
Almost a decade ago, I detailed the environmental exposures in early pregnancy interacting with autism genes, which he should be investigating beginning with Valproate.
He was the one who had zero interest and refused to look into this and still won't.
Says a man, Dr. So-called, does he have the honorable at the end of his name?
What does H-O-N stand for in that?
That looks like honorable.
Oh my goodness, he thinks he's a judge.
Like, if you have to put honorable in your name, I don't know if that's what it stands for.
So at the risk of putting my foot in my mouth, I'll won't belabor the point, the honorable.
He limits who can respond to this.
Accounts Peter Hotez follows or mentioned can reply.
I'm actually mildly shocked that so-called Dr. Peter Hotez hasn't blocked me for the amount of ribbing that I've been doing on Peter Hotez.
This is the same Peter Hotez who refused to have any form of discussion, call it a debate me bro, with RFK Jr. and instead has a one-ended trying to needle RFK on the interwebs.
I'm going to have to pull up some receipts to make sure that I haven't made a mistake on a couple of things of Peter Hotez.
I wanted to start with something else, which we're going to play at some point during today's show, because I was discussing with Kyle Seraphin, who you might remember as being one of many prior episodes of Vivify.
I was telling him before the show, I've been very, very irritable today.
You want to know what OCD is like?
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And then you said, and I knew it had a C in it.
I knew it had an O in it and I knew it had an M in it.
And I sat there in bed for about 30 some odd minutes trying to remember the name of a client I had because I was trying to refresh my memory on the carbon markets, you know, the trading in carbon emissions back in the day in Canada.
I'm cranky.
I'm tired.
And if anybody wants to make anything better, that's not really the good segue, but I'm going to use it anyhow.
Before we bring on Kyle Seraphin, we're going to talk about the FBI breaking news in the Savannah Guthrie mums kidnapping.
We're going to talk about some recent promotions of the FBI that Kyle has been going off or on about.
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With that said, people, let's bring on the man of the hour, none other than Kyle Serafin.
Kyle and I have an interesting relationship.
It started off quite acrimoniously.
If nobody remembers that.
You remember that, Kyle?
I still think I'm right in my critique of your MO when it came to James O'Keefe.
Kyle, tell everybody who you are in case they have not seen you on any prior episode of Viva Fry.
Yes.
Hello, I'm Kyle Serifin.
I run the Kyle Serafin show.
I used to be an FBI agent.
I was a paramedic.
I was in the military.
I'm a dad.
I'm a husband.
I'm an American citizen.
That makes one of us in here.
And is that mean?
That's true.
No, no, that's true.
Kyle, one day.
One day.
I represent Texas America from my current sitting position.
I'm a gun owner and I am also with you on the grouchiness, but I think it's because you dropped your beard.
That also, it's tougher to hide my group.
Now, when I do this, you could see the it looks like I might be just pensive when I'm grouchy, but I'm always grouchy about stuff.
No, no, no.
I'm actually really not.
You know what?
I was hanging out with my kids yesterday.
I had some people come in, folks that people may know from the J6 world.
I had Stuart Rhodes come by my house and some others.
And they're like, is this what you do in the afternoons?
I was like, yeah.
I like throw a fishing line in with my kids and we go and we hike and find a waterfall in the backyard.
And like, we're just wandering around doing dad stuff.
Like I'm, I'm only grouchy on X.
I actually am not normally grouchy.
No, well, I'm not normally grouchy, but I, you know, have you thought about killing something?
Because I brought that up before we went live, but no, it feels so much.
Imagine if you killed something that needed to be killed.
Like, I don't know, like a feral hog that was trying to destroy some farmer's crops or shot a coyote in the face that was trying to kill somebody's calves or something.
We just came off the deep freeze of the iguanas where they tell you to humanely euthanize the iguanas or apparently you're supposed to throw them into water because then they'll drown and it's sort of quasi-humane because they're comatose.
I put them in the backyard, tried to warm them up, but a bunch of them still died.
And then I had a two-hour time lapse of dead iguanas not coming back to life.
What do you do with the dead iguanas?
What's the well, the vultures end up getting them or those you chuck into the water and animals eat them.
But no, they say I don't.
You could go shark fishing with them.
Well, no, they also carry parasites.
They carry salmonella.
So I'm not a problem for sharks.
Kyle, tell everybody.
See, we're going to get into a lot of stuff today because I know what I don't know and I know where I have questions.
And I know, look, I sort of jokingly say that we met acrimoniously, or at least we had some run-ins where I, you know, I don't know.
That was just on X.
That wasn't really.
But I didn't think it's like, I'm not holier than now because I'm an asshole on X as well.
If I pick, you know, when I pick the people with whom I'm asshole, and I understand why you're an asshole with James O'Keefe.
We've had this discussion.
I understand why you are particularly perturbed with some of the conduct of the current FBI.
But I think you need to flesh this out for people so they don't just think you're.
I was mad at the previous FBI too.
I don't like the FBI period.
And if you don't fix the FBI and you go to the FBI, then I'm mad at you.
So you stole from us.
I think you stole from the American people.
I don't want less of what they're trying to say that they did.
I want the actual thing and I want more of it.
So you were at the FBI for eight and a half years?
Six years paid and then 14 months unpaid suspension forever.
Okay.
And you need to refresh everybody's memory.
Why did you get put on an unpaid suspension?
Oh, I just found that out myself the other day.
Somebody on X told me it was because I was negligent.
No further information.
What actually happened is simultaneous to my removal, I went to Congress and did whistleblowing activity that indicated there were significant malfeasance with FISA 702, which people will be familiar with.
That's the government surveillance program that allows them to theoretically only looked at foreign intelligence actors without having a warrant.
And in reality, it actually allows for a lot of American surveillance and incidental collection.
So I brought things like that up.
There were some additional pieces about the Afghan refugee camps, which I've talked about since then, but that was part of the original disclosure.
And then the big thing that people will remember from October of 2021 going into November of 21 was that I pointed out that the Attorney General of the United States was lying under oath.
This is Merrick Garland, was lying when he was saying that the FBI would not be using counterterrorism tools against parents at school board meetings.
And so it wasn't that the FBI cannot do surveillance of parents at school board meetings.
It would just have to be that there'd be a federal crime involved and that they shouldn't be using counterterrorism resources, which he said under oath that he wouldn't be doing.
Uh, that that was the.
That was the major thing that people understood.
But simultaneous to that, I also said I wasn't going to get the covet vaccine which the Biden administration required, and so I had a religious accommodation request.
That was not honored.
Then I had uh, some some additional pushing back where they said you had to swab your nose every 72 hours and do a bunch of other nonsense.
That was illogical and as a um a former licensed paramedic at the time I was still a paramedic um in good standing with the National Registry I was like, i'm not doing that, i'm, i'm not gonna.
Everybody can get covet, so why would I take a test for a disease that I don't have any symptoms of?
It's clearly discriminatory and we have an ongoing lawsuit with the FBI right now and here's the worst part though David, this is actually the thing that I have the the biggest frustration with with the current quote unquote, this FBI versus that FBI.
This FBI fired a guy named Spencer Evans who was in charge of the coveted policy under Biden, and they fired him for the reasons that i'm suing the FBI for, and the FBI is still contesting the lawsuit that we have against them.
There's 33 of us, many of whom are still current FBI employees.
So you know, that's the frustration.
The frustration is is that there's a mismatch between the messaging and the pr and the reality and the outcomes that these people actually engage in and the actual behavior.
And what it comes down to is a lack of institutional knowledge and an inability to actually capitalize on the opportunity they have right now.
Well if, flesh this out for us, because there have been numerous instances of at least Bondi's DOJ pursuing Biden Era prosecutions uh, or persecutions.
And now who?
Who is continuing to pursue the terminations for refusal to submit to the covet jab?
Is that?
Is that at the DOJ, or is that at HR at the FBI?
It's Fbi's HR.
They're the same people, so all the same policy.
So here's the greatest example that's going on right now.
There's a woman named Shannon Perry who I keep highlighting by name and uh, they don't get rid of her.
She signed on to the FBI in 2002, post 9-11, as a German linguist okay, not as an FBI agent, that's a law enforcement officer.
She was in an analytical support staff in the linguistics program.
She's managed to leapfrog her way in.
She is the number four most powerful person in the FBI right now.
There are multiple different divisions, but she's in charge of one of them and she's a leftist.
She was promoted by Jim Comey into senior management.
She was then further promoted under Chris Ray.
She was Chris Ray's director of operations.
Like she was what was called the special assistant for operations to the FBI director, Chris Ray.
And Patel and Bongino promoted her to the number four position in the bureau.
And she's still there.
And as I said, and she was also in charge of what's called insider threat.
And insider threat is theoretically a program that goes and roots out people that are like potential traitors to the United States.
This is your spies and your Robert Hansen types or your ultra James.
And she ran that program and she used it explicitly to go after whistleblowers under under Ray.
and she has one of the the most senior positions in the FBI.
So the same, you can't do reform with the same people.
And this is my ongoing push.
It's not personal about Bongino specifically, although I think he was a failure at it.
It's not personal against Kash Patel, although he did lie to me and I don't like that he did that.
But the generational opportunity they stole from us as who they are, and then the sort of clownery of going out and chasing PR stories to include this kidnapping.
Like the FBI director has absolutely zero to do with a kidnapping case.
The deputy director has zero to do with the kidnapping case.
Neither, like none of them have anything to do with it.
Even the special agent in charge of that field office is not working, quote unquote, working the case.
They're just messaging faces.
They're PR people.
So let me back it up actually to Shannon Perry.
I'm trying to find a decent image or tweet from her.
Oh, it's really, really hard to do it.
I found a picture of her.
She rolled with Chris Ray to Nigeria on one of the junkets that he did on the private chat out into Africa for some reason.
And she looks, you know, I'll find a picture, but it took a lot.
There's probably one in my Twitter feed somewhere, but that's what I'm going to go find out.
So it was hard to find.
Let me, it's not a question of steelmanning, the French expression, les absent toujourtur, you know, Cash is not here to defend himself.
How, who, who gives a person like Perry a promotion?
Who makes that decision internally?
He does.
So it's recommended by other people.
There's a promotions board of, you know, executives in the FBI, but at the end of the day, he's the one that signs off on the final promotion for that level of promotion.
All right.
And now it's possible or probably this is part of the problem and not part of the explanation.
He doesn't know her history because Cash has not been part of the FBI for, as say you hadn't been there for decades, but you'd been there for long enough to know the internal politics.
And so one of your gripes or grievances with current FBI direction is that these would have been recommended, recommendations that you and other whistleblowers, Steve Friend, would have advised them of that you are promoting the wrong people.
Do they even know at this point in time?
Like, I presume they've blocked you or shut you out.
Do they even know that they're promoting the wrong people?
Oh, now they do.
Yeah.
I mean, I've had 40 people fired from the FBI over the last 12 months.
Okay.
Now, let me know.
That's why you get by naming them.
So yeah.
People go like, you're out here whining.
You're whining and complaining on social media.
Like, you know, what is your purpose?
I'm like, my purpose is to highlight the people that are bad actors and have them fired.
One of the people, I didn't even know we got fired, but there was a guy named David Geist, and he was the ASAC that was in charge of the squad that did the Arctic Frost investigation.
So that made a lot of prominence and whatnot.
And so I called him out in October a couple of times.
And by November, they fired him.
And I didn't realize it.
So I was still bitching about him in December.
And then I went and I found like there was an article where he's like one of the people.
There were four people that were fired and then unfired and then refired again in the same 24-hour period.
And he was one of them.
I just, I didn't realize that at the time.
No.
One of the arguments, however, has been on the one hand, they say we fired a lot of people.
And then there were some reports that they only fired 135 or maybe 150 of an institution of 30 some odd thousand.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, the flip side argument that we often hear is you can't just fire federal employees.
You can't.
Okay.
So then it hasn't fired any of these people.
Yeah.
They shouldn't fired any of them.
That was the other thing.
We actually told Cash how to do all this stuff.
I told him how to do this in January of last year.
Okay, but if they fire them, it's presumably it's termination for cause and that that allows them to do it.
They're going to get, they're going to win their jobs back and we're going to end up backpaying all these people.
They're all going to get reinstated by the courts at some point.
Like it's almost, it's almost inevitable that that will be the case.
So so here's the problem.
There is an answer to this.
Okay.
It's Machiavellian.
It's a 600-year-old, 500-year-old answer.
This is something that people have always understood.
You have two choices when you take a government.
You have to remove the previous part of the government, the bureaucratic entities.
You have to remove the heads of agencies, et cetera.
And the only way you do that is one of two ways, exile or execution.
Now, those are your two choices.
Execution in this case would be termination.
Like you fire them, but that doesn't work really well under the way that we have protections for federal workers and they do have a lot of coverage in theory, unless you're a whistleblower, in which case they could just do whatever they want and then nobody cares.
But 10 whistleblowers, and I like to say this: I tell people this, and the guys would agree.
I laid on barbed wire so that the friends like Garrett O'Boyle could get put back in, that Marcus Allen could get back.
Somebody had to make the story loud enough that somebody gave a good shit against to eventually bring these guys in and rehire them and give them their pensions back.
Which, by the way, none of the whistleblowers who were announced by Kash Patel to have been reinstated in back pay, none of them got their back pay yet.
They're still waiting.
And it's like a half million dollars each.
It's a lot of money.
It's life-changing money for most people that haven't had a job for like two or three years and we're just waiting to get paid.
So here's the deal: one is one is termination, exile.
I'm sorry, exile.
Exile would mean you send them off somewhere else.
Like send them to Guam.
And that was the advice we gave to Kash Patel.
Send them off to Guam.
Let them go sit there and try to topple or capsize the island with the Marines.
Send them off to Puerto Rico where there's a ton of crime.
Make them the boss of all internal threats to Puerto Rico in and around the neighborhood of their house and report, you know, report back once a day and just stay away until these people retire because all these people want to be part of the mix.
They like, especially the senior management that are climbers.
The minute you cut off their upward mobility, we saw this with a guy named Mike Feinberg.
He just like he was told, you will no longer promote.
You're done here.
And he was a friend of Peter Strzok.
The first thing he did was that he just resigned and he complained about it.
But that's how you do it.
You give people no more promotion.
You let them know that you're no longer going to be relevant.
You exile them to an island somewhere offshore.
Hoover used to send people to Montana, but Montana is beautiful.
So you have to send them somewhere else.
And you don't want to send them to Alaska because Alaska is beautiful.
So send them to Guam or Puerto Rico, send them somewhere where they can just waste away and they will retire and they'll go.
The rationale is you can't fire them even with cause and they can't contest a transfer because it's part of what they signed off on.
Yeah, there's a mobility agreement.
So just like anybody that's joined the military that knows what a mobility agreement is, there are certain federal jobs where they give you a mobility agreement that says that you serve at the needs of the agency that you work for in the place the agency says your job is most needed.
And so the FBI director would 100% be able to say, your job is now to report in 90 days or less to Puerto Rico in the middle of the island.
And we need you to go out there and keep an eye on the Arecibo freaking radio transmitter and just look for, I don't know, pterodactyls and look for Velociraptors every day, go walk around in the jungle and come back and give us a report.
And that could be your job.
So that's why you would send them to these places.
But am I not, and again, steelmanning, but I don't think they've done it adequately.
At one point, Cash was saying how they're moving people out of the Washington field office into the field.
Yeah.
And I was like, oh, what he did is he canceled the 18, there was, there's all these, what are called TDYs or temporary duty assignments.
And the way that FBI headquarters, which is an atrocious place to work, it's like really depressing and nobody wants to go there.
The way they used to do it is they would incentivize people with a pay bump.
So you would go from the field as a GS13, which is what I worked at.
They'll give you the next grade, which is like a 10-year bump in pay, to go and work as a GS-14 at the Hoover building.
And you would work there for 18 months.
It was a long-term temporary duty assignment.
Then you could either step down in that area, you could go back to your old job, or you could try to find a promotion back into like the field as a supervisor and you would keep that GS-14 pay bump.
So you'd be able to jump 10 years worth of promotions in 18 months.
That was the gig.
And what Cash did is he canceled the 18-month program.
So they already removed the pay incentive where you got to keep the 18-month, like for 18 months, you get paid higher.
Then you go back to the field, you'd lose the 18, the 10-year bump.
So that already got done under Chris Ray.
But what Cash did is he just discontinued the 18-month TDYs and they didn't renew any new ones.
So all the people that were working at Hoover that were there temporarily to staff the building up, they just got sent somewhere else.
They went back to their offices, but he didn't send anybody back to the field.
He just stopped bringing people into Hoover, which is something they've been doing for years.
And again, this is all like real nuanced, like nerdy policy stuff.
But this is why knowing what we're talking about matters and why institutional knowledge there matters.
And, you know, he's messaging something that sounds good, but it's not.
No, as far as from my, I say limited understanding, I was like, oh, this is his, I don't say code, but this is the descriptive way of saying he's doing what some of us had suggested would have been the idea.
But this was not a demotion through replacing people in areas where they wouldn't want to be.
No, and they were sending garbage people to places that like, you know, nobody wanted.
Like they created entire new squads to have supervisors that had no business supervising things out in places where real work was being done.
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So I love that your chat is really upset that people might get sent to Puerto Rico.
Like nobody's sending anyone to Puerto Rico.
I would send people to Puerto Rico.
No, they said Puerto Rico is too nice.
Puerto Rico is a shithole.
And it's also considered, you guys are thinking of the tourist areas.
That's not where the FBI works, number one.
And number two, it's considered a hardship post for the FBI.
If you go do five years in Puerto Rico, they'll give you any location in the United States you want to move to.
So it's already considered a hardship spot.
That's why you would send it.
Intentional homicide rate in Puerto Rico marked a decrease.
15.3 per 100,000.
That's bad.
That's twice as bad as Jacksonville, which is probably the worst place in Florida.
Yeah, so people get killed.
People don't stop at stoplights after dark.
I worked with agents that were Puerto Rican from Puerto Rico, had worked gangs and drugs down in Puerto Rico, and they like going down there.
But like, I wouldn't want to go down there.
It would have been awful.
Now, and you'll correct me if I'm wrong on this.
When Kash Patel infamously now said, we're going to turn the Hoover Building into a museum of the deep state, I'm not going crazy in that it was a statement that he was going to shut it down, not move them into a new and improved office for which he is also now simultaneously taking credit.
I'm not going crazy that that's what I understood.
And it wasn't a wrong thing.
He did the same thing.
He did the same thing that Comey and Ray all tried to do.
In fact, the Oversight Project, which is an offshoot of Heritage Foundation, did a clip where they had Kash Patel saying the exact same words under oath and testimony that Chris Ray had, that Jim Comey had, talking about how the Hoover building was unsafe.
Nobody knows why, but they keep saying this name.
Bricks falling off apparently when people entered.
That's what I understand.
How do you know people that worked there for like a decade and a half?
No one's ever heard of a brick falling.
Like it just, it hasn't, and maybe it happened one time and then they were like, it's unsafe here.
But like people were at the work there every single day.
So you, so just to be clear, the federal government knowingly put a bunch of like thousands of federal workers in a building that they thought was unsafe.
That doesn't happen.
That's what that's my understanding of why they had nets around the building.
I'm from Quebec.
There are never any bricks in the net.
That's the problem.
Like the nets were there.
It was, that was probably a boondoggle too.
They probably got somebody overpaid for the nets.
Somebody got a huge contract to put nets up for what?
For nothing.
There was never a problem with that.
So yeah, I heard the same thing you did, just no one's going to substantiate it.
All right.
Now, just in case anybody didn't get their island that at its widest level is what, 12 miles from shore to shore, and at a smallest level, or smallest, is what I believe you mean to say.
Location, it's location.
Seven miles between one shore and the other.
That's great description.
Correct.
I don't have the exact dimensions, but Admiral is absolutely blindboggled.
Guam is a small island.
Very small island and about 24 miles or 40 all long.
Can I pause it here?
I don't know Hank Johnson.
I mean, I know is he drunk or is he?
No, no, that's how he is.
He's just really, really dumb.
I actually met with his senior advisor on Africa.
She ended up going over and working with Karen Bass at one point.
She was dating one of my friends and she was a really nice lady.
I think I actually convinced her about guns too at one point.
We had this like conversation about guns and she was clearly an avowed leftist.
She had a PhD in African studies or something like that.
She's a nice lady.
I mean, that's the funny thing.
You get leftists that are crazy and have all these wicked, bad ideas about the Constitution and they don't understand how things work.
And then you bring them together and you talk to them over dinner and you have a sensible conversation, just one person on one.
And, you know, I got her to admit that there are things that she spends money on that would make no sense to you or me.
She buys art, like ugly art too.
She showed me and I was like, oh, that's hideous.
And she had it on her walls and it costs her a bunch of money.
And I'm like, yeah, you buy art.
Some people buy stamps.
Other people buy coins.
I buy guns.
Like it's the same thing.
It's like it fuels my passion.
It has nothing to do with you.
It doesn't bother anybody.
She said that's just how Hank is.
And he got a lot of flack for that, but it's not because he'sn't intentionally drunk or on drugs.
There are a lot of dumb people.
There are dumber people than either of us can really imagine on a daily basis that work in Congress.
Well, let's let them.
For anybody who doesn't remember this or doesn't know, he's now giving you 20 different dimensions of the island of Guam, none of which are relevant to an island of Guam.
It is if it's a floating island.
Even if it was a floating island on YouTube at the least widest place on the island and about 20, about 12 miles wide on the widest part of the island.
And I don't know how many square miles that is.
Do you think that I don't have that figure with me, sir?
I will supply it to you if you'd like.
Yeah, my fear is that the whole island will become so overly populated that it will tip over and capsize.
This is real, by the way.
We don't anticipate that.
We'll pause it there.
That's the best response you could ever do to someone saying the most retarded thing you can imagine.
Can you, if this, if that occurred today, that video, people are going to watch that and say that's AI.
Nobody's that dumb.
Like, like, anyways, that was, that was Hank.
There's a lot of people in Congress that are that dumb.
Why did I bring that?
I brought that up.
Listen, I wanted to do, I want to do a podcast maybe.
I might even just do start segments of my own just called, it's a segment of that called Ruled by Retards, which is, which is what America is currently facing.
There's a reason why our Congress is so ineffective.
You know, they gave up a lot of the power.
You can trace this back to the 19 teens.
You can trace it back to 1946 when they outsourced a lot of the authority of the congressional, the legislative branch.
They gave it to the executive voluntarily.
Okay.
It was part of the kind of the culmination of the New Deal era.
And a lot of people may not realize this, but we have a thing called the Administrative Procedures Act, which is why Congress doesn't do the job of Congress mostly.
They give broad mandates to executive agencies and then give funding.
And then the executive agencies write their own rules on what they do.
And they all go rogue.
That's the nature of government, is that you give them the authority to define their own mission set.
But it's because we have idiots like this that don't even like, they couldn't grasp it.
They're not smart enough to do legislation in the first place, which is why the bills are always placed by people that are in lobbying positions and special interest groups are coming in, giving the bills and then getting someone to support it.
And the aides are the one who understands what are actually going on.
Congressional aides are the one that actually run Congress.
And then if you're a Republican, a bunch of them are gay.
So it's just, it's really weird.
If you thought you were electing somebody who is a conservative, like the odds are that some sexual deviant is out there actually running the thing that you thought was happening for the office of your person.
And so you're not actually getting represented.
And so like even Hank is, he's just up there making noise with his face hole.
And then, you know, then nothing happens.
He's been voted in ever since.
He's still in.
To think that an island is a floating piece of land is one thing.
He just watched Water World in his defense.
He just saw that.
So he's a Kevin Costner fan.
But now, okay, bring it back all the way to the beginning of the people who are getting promoted and not getting fired.
What is your, what's your possible interpretation of it?
Like, they don't know.
Cash, well, you think Cash is just stupid, ignorant, does not know that these are bad players, or is he hoping to somehow garner good favor with them in the hopes that, I don't know, if they take back power in 26 or 28, that he'll be one of the good guys.
Does he not understand?
If Democrats take back power in 28, which they probably will, in 29, Cash is probably in prison.
And so is Trump, to be fair.
Like, none of this is fun.
Like, this is all like, it's just an abysmal place to sit and watch it.
And you're like, you are squandering something.
I heard a guy on X say, we outsource the revolution to one man, which is kind of that revolutionary feeling.
We had people like Vivek Ramaswamy talking about a 1776 moment.
There was a lot of movement in that.
Even if he was kind of ridiculous and dressing like he was a cowboy rodeo clown, we had this instinct that the country was on the verge of a break.
And honest to God, if there had been a stolen election in 24 and they, you know, they installed a Kamala Harris, which nobody really believed that she could win.
I don't think anybody sensible thought that that was a possibility.
If that woman came in, there would have been chaos.
I think people would have just been like, that's it.
Screw it.
Like we're going kinetic.
There was that mindset and mentality.
I know I felt like that.
And a bunch of people I knew did too.
So, okay, so that's the case.
Then what?
Then you, that's not what happened.
We got the bleed off valve.
We got Donald Trump and the Donald Trump movement was that we were going to, I just watched a video on it today.
March of 2023, he laid out a 10-step plan for dismantling the deep state.
He was going to, you know, introduce an amendment under the office of the presidency and suggest it to Congress and get the speaker of the house to get behind it so that we could get what?
Term limits, right?
We could have the schedule F or the schedule G, whatever it needs to be now, employment so that we could get rid of and solve the problems that exist inside the federal bureaucracy and actually be able to move move people out unilaterally, especially the people that are closer to political appointees than they are to like brick and frontline workers.
And we didn't get that.
I mean, we had three years.
It's not like they didn't have an opportunity to lock it in.
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Some people are going to look at you or look at your demeanor and they're going to say, they're not listening to you because of the way you're acting.
And the retort is all they are.
You're acting the way you are because they're not listening.
And it's not for lack of attempts to reach them through, I call it civil, you know, discourse, although Twitter is what it is.
If you don't want to.
No, no, I directly talk to these people.
Like if you go back and listen to Kash Patel being confirmed by the Senate, a lot of the things he said were things that I had shared with him prior.
The reason why he, I feel like he was successful with Donald Trump and asking to do that job is because he said, I get five minutes with the boss.
They always call him the boss, which I find offensive because he's not mine.
And they're like, hey, I got five minutes with the boss.
Like, how do, how do I pitch him, you know, my job?
What am I going to do as director that's going to be, you know, more successful than somebody else?
And so I told him.
And then he's like, say it again and say it like more bullet pointed.
And it's like, okay, I'll give it to you again.
I know this problem inside and out because I've studied it for the last three years because it's the thing that's going to kill my family.
I mean, that's what it looked like to me.
That's why I do a podcast.
It's not because I'm thrilled about doing a podcast.
I'd rather go dig ditches and like do landscaping.
I'd rather do almost anything.
You and I were talking earlier, right?
And I said something about cuts.
And I said, I replaced my saw with a 32 blade to an 80 blade saw.
And you're like, what does that mean?
No, you said you said, I get finer cuts.
I'm like, I'm going to get finer cuts.
I thought you're talking about editing software because that's what I would, you know, that's what I think about when I think of cuts.
And you're thinking of manual labor.
Yeah, I'm thinking of, I'm thinking of going down to Mitersaw and be able to do like, you know, finishing carpentry work because that's way more interesting to me.
And it's way more satisfying for me to use my hand.
So I'm not like thrilled about it.
I sit here.
I had some people, like I said, I had Stewart and some other folks that were Jay Sixters come in and walk around and they kind of saw the studio setup that I have.
And I've got a lighting rig and a bunch of equipment in here and that's fine.
And I built it up because it needed to be built up for the mechanism and the way that I make a living right now.
But my wife and I were talking about on the stairs 45 minutes ago.
I was like, I kind of almost don't want to do this.
I don't like it.
It's not fun.
If I had a choice to talk about anything, it wouldn't be politics.
I'll guarantee you this.
All lawyers hate being lawyers, at least the ones that are sane.
And so they'd rather talk about politics than law.
Yes.
Yeah.
And that's my, my theory has always been, never trust a lawyer who says he loves litigation.
They're sadists or masochists, whatever it is.
Yeah, totally.
And all my friends that are lawyers, like, they don't like it.
My brother's a lawyer.
He hates it.
One of my good buddies is a lawyer.
He hates being a lawyer.
Okay.
So lawyers would rather talk about politics than law.
And everybody else would rather talk about anything else except politics.
It just turns out that's the thing.
Every guy I talk to in the gun space, every guy I talk to in the tactical and the gear space, they're all interested in politics because it's the thing that's going to take away the fundamental freedoms to do the things that they otherwise want to do.
And so, you know, you've got all these guys that used to go and do gear reviews of firearms or bullet, you know, armor and body armor and, you know, tactical vehicles and maneuvers and whatever else.
And they all wanted to do that.
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And now they all talk about what?
Legislation and litigation because it's the thing that's going to take away from their ability to do the thing they want to do.
I'm here because the possibility of the federal government coming after me or you, which you've talked about plenty to me offline, or anybody in this audience that's listening, it's very real.
And if, and, and I was just talking to another buddy who's a whistleblower at a state level, and he's a big, rah-rah, MAGA, pro-Trump guy.
And I give him a hard time about it all the time because a lot of the stuff that he says, I think, is very blindsided.
And even he's like, Donald Trump must see that the biggest underperforming mechanism in his, in his administration is DOJ and very specifically the FBI.
No, and people have all you do is say you, me, they say, oh, you guys are, you know, all you do is criticize.
Well, first of all, you don't make progress by maybe you would like getting patted on the back and saying, well, you're doing a good job here.
You know, RFK Jr. is doing a good job, a great job.
Tulsi Gabbert doing a great job as well.
They haven't made any arrests on the, on the Russia hoax yet.
But that's not her job.
She's an intelligence person.
Well, agreed.
So that's not her space.
You don't make progress by getting your childish compliments on what you're doing right.
Although crime is down, Trump has made great progress on the border, great progress on self-deportations, which is sort of like getting people to quit instead of firing them.
But where there's massive, massive weaknesses, you're not going to make anything better by pretending it's not the case or cheerleading on into destruction.
And the DOJ, I mean, wherever you point the fingers, you know, you can, you can pick your person who you think is more responsible.
But yeah, it's constructive criticism at some point.
And if people, it's, by the way, it's gone very casually from they're going to win the midterms to, oh, you know, the party in power always loses in the midterms.
And of course, that is not a foregone conclusion if you're doing a great job and if you're accomplishing what you said.
And here's the other big problem that the Trump administration continuously has.
They over promise.
They under deliver.
That is Donald Trump's mechanism.
I don't know where that worked for him.
Anybody who's done sales and I used to do sales, I've sold everything from airtime on radio stations to like very expensive office chairs when I was running around in San Francisco when I first got out of college.
I sold $20 million with the Dell computers.
I understand how sales works at both the retail and at the business to business, like, you know, wholesale level.
And it's very simple.
You always under promise.
You give them longer lead times than you think you might be able to deliver because you don't want to be late on your deliveries.
You tell them that it's going to cost more than it's going to, and you come in under budget and then you're the freaking hero.
You never over promise to your customer because then your customer looks at you and goes, well, you told me it was going to be less.
Nobody ever wants to go out there and say, hey, by the way, we're going to need more money or we're going to need more time.
That's not acceptable.
So what you do is you go, by the way, we came in under budget and we're saving you some cash.
Now they've already mentally booked that money.
They're winning and you're the hero.
And the second thing is if you do it on a timeline, you're like, hey, I know it was going to be 14 weeks, but it got there in six days.
They're thrilled.
They're so thrilled sometimes.
They're like, hey, I didn't even have people to handle, like even receive the shipment.
And you're like, yeah, but they're excited about it because they know they can get things implemented at a faster timeline.
Time is money.
The Trump administration does this terribly.
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And I don't know where it comes from.
There must have been some 80s movement where Donald Trump was the only guy who could do it, where they like, you're like, you're going to get the best thing ever.
And then it was kind of crappy.
And then he convinced them that it was really great because no one else had it or something.
There's some weird version of sales at some level that I don't understand that's not transactional to regular people.
Nobody else is excited about under delivery and the over promise game.
It's bizarre.
No, I think he's promised and delivered on, say, the border in particular within the timeframe.
You know, the 24-hour ending the war in Ukraine, everyone said, okay, that's sort of like hyperbolic and nobody expects it to be done in a day, but nobody expected the Republicans to continue financing that war a year in.
But I mean, let's tie it into some of the stuff that's been breaking recently.
Finboy Slick over in our locals community says, wouldn't the Epstein's releases be a bulletproof argument for Trump to say he's firing the entire DOJ and the FBI over that clusterfuck?
And I've been saying it for a while.
Pan Bondi should have been out a long time ago.
It was even before the Epstein files.
I don't need to go over the reasons that I've elaborated for the last six months.
The problem seems to be, you saw Ed Martin.
Well, I saw your reply to it.
And I don't want to look like I'm jumping on a bandwagon.
Ed Martin, Eagle Ed, who's also done amazing work.
What is the amazing work he's done though?
Although the pardons, from his perspective, that's what his mandate is.
Joe Biggs is still not pardoned.
Stuart Rose is still not pardoned.
He came to my room and I was showing him a 44 mag handgun, which was built in the 70s.
It's like the least scary thing that you could have.
It's not loaded and he doesn't want to touch it because he's afraid, knowing that he's still a convicted felon on paper, even though he's like, he theoretically should be pardoned.
Like there are 12 J6ers that didn't get pardons.
Why?
So did they get commutations?
They got commutations, but like they didn't do anything violent.
I'm not sure.
So they gave Jake Lang a pardon and said some asshole who swung a baseball bat and hit cops in the face with it.
And he's apparently going to try to get back into prison or get beaten to death on the way there.
Jake Lang is like completely melted down.
And I think you and I have had that conversation privately.
But at the end of the day, you've got it publicly.
I don't say things privately that I wouldn't say.
I agree with you.
I don't know if it's been publicly, but I know you wouldn't run from it.
No, I said I think he's he's a broken man from his time in jail, from the four years that he's had of torture.
And I think he is working himself either going back to jail or getting stabbed to death.
Both of those are most, I don't know which one's more likely, to be fair.
No, I'm telling him, I tell him this, like you're just asking for it.
And it's not a question of blaming a victim.
It's a question of not swimming with sharks with a piece of meat hanging off your back.
Right.
But no, but hold on, because what you're talking about, and again, playing devil, not even devil's advocate, but a steel man for those who aren't here.
You're going to say they didn't do it enough or to the extent that we wanted, but you know what I mean?
There's no cost.
There's no cost to giving Joe Biggs back his life.
There's no way that you're going to have to do no political cost.
So what you have is a man who earned Purple Hearts or was awarded Purple Hearts for being injured and bled for this country, who served honorably, who left the military, had benefits in the military, had a military type retirement, as well as having VA benefits, including mental health, by the way.
And then they deprived him of that.
And why?
To what end?
Are they keeping Democrats happy?
Are they punishing him?
He lost his daughter.
Like, I'm looking at these people and I've had, this is how bad it is.
David, it's so bad that people that are on the left that cover J6 in a way that would make you uncomfortable, that, you know, names that you know from the three-letter news agencies have told me, I appreciate what you're saying for the consistency of it.
Because it's not dunking on Trump to say you're cheering on the pardons that Ed Martin did.
I'm looking at it and saying, why not 12 more people?
Who wins?
No one, as far as I can tell.
No one wins.
Everybody gets screwed.
And we're a worse off country because we didn't let some nonviolent offenders actually share in that pardon.
So, you know, and was there a political victory there?
Like, no, you just screwed over some decent men.
No, not just.
Some that I've met, you know, in person.
And I think they're good people.
You empower the Democrats to have their talking point of convicted felon because the commutation does not eliminate the convicted felon's status.
And I would say only to that, you know, the argument of the steel man argument is only it's a massive, massive organization.
The federal government is the biggest.
But you just do a blanket pardon for everybody if that's what you're going to do.
They went out there violent and laid hands on cops, but not guys that were non-violent because they were part of some ideology or a group that you thought was somehow demonized, like Proud Boys or Oathkeepers.
I mean, all of that stuff is really gross to me.
So, anyway, when I hear people say Ed Martin did a great job, Ed Martin was too cowardly to say hi to my friends who were the whistleblowers that came in, sat down at a breakfast with him, and he avoided them like the plague.
He's taken zero pictures with the guys that were FBI whistleblowers, not me, but others that are clearly less mean or whatever.
And they were in DC, asked there by Republicans.
So I look at it and I just go, okay, fine.
I'm not picking, like, I'm not picking, as my dad says, um, fly shit out of the pepper.
Okay, that's not what I'm doing.
I'm looking and seeing glaring, glaring globs of garbage and dog shit in the lawn.
And I'm like, okay, fine.
The grass is green in some places, but there are clearly big piles of crap.
Can we not just address these real simply?
And some of those, and most of them tend to be in that DOJ FBI performance.
That's my venue.
So that's where I focus.
And it is not good.
It is objectively not good, from the top all the way down to the fact that they're promoting guys who have zero business being in the agency, because they are.
They are both corrupt and corruptible, like predictably, because of their previous performance, which I think is what you were going to kind of allude to at one point.
Yeah, first of all, i'm stealing that, picking fly shit out of this.
Is my father's really pepper?
No it's, it's I, because I appreciate it.
It's like you know it'll never be.
That's when you're in the minutia.
He, he calls me up and gives me critiques on broadcasting technic, and so he'll do that.
And he'll be like, now i'm going to pick uh, you know, some some fly shit out of the pepper and i'm like, great okay fine, give me the minutia let's, let's sharpen the edge.
But this is not what we're talking about here.
We're not talking about the fine points of policy.
We're talking about 12 men's lives are still destroyed because they haven't been renewed and there's no benefit on any side and it would cost Trump nothing to do it.
So what's happening there?
Um yep, and can not just appreciate that in the patronizing way.
You're right, some people are going to say, look the commutation, they've got their freedom back and now you know they can now put the pressure for the rest of this, but they're free to starve.
I mean, like like Joe can't barely feed his family, he can't barely feed himself.
So i'm looking at one guy and going why, what's the payoff?
If there was a political dividend there, that'd be different.
It'd be like, oh well, like it was a political victory because of this.
What would it be?
You're giving into the Anti-pelosi and the chips.
I'm not even sure that the there's a calculus that factors in, but the political calculus might be.
If they pardon these guys, it'll give fodder to the left, as if that's even an excuse to say Trump has pardoned the seditious guys, or you know, they parted drug traffickers and and people that were members of other you know of other countries.
Like it's a bad argument, but i'm making it anyway.
So Ed Martin hasn't done enough, but he's done some.
Then we get to the people who I think have done nothing or done worse than nothing, done damage.
Yeah, then you have Ed Martin come out and say, i'm proud to be a part of the Trump administration and work with Bondi and Blanche.
He had a gun to his head to say that.
Here's the bigger question right okay, the bigger question is this, a lot of what goes on in this administration is access based.
You know that from the journalistic side, you know that from the media side.
We both are aware of people that have basically sold their souls to have access, and we can name them, but we don't need to.
So now you start asking well, Well, why doesn't Ed Martin stick around?
Because if I'm Ed Martin, I don't know what Ed's principles are, but I know what mine are.
And I know why I don't work in the job I used to work because they started doing things that were completely illogical.
They said, subjugate yourself before this COVID tyranny, and then we'll let you stay.
And we said, no, we're not going to get the shot.
And they said, well, just do this other ritualistic, ridiculous thing.
Put something up your nose every 72 hours for no particular reason with these moving goalposts.
And I went, that's discriminatory too.
I'm not going to do that either.
I'd rather lose my job than show up to something that does illogical, subservient performances.
And that tells me bad religion.
It's bad religion.
They got rid of people that were willing to say no.
They already purged the people that were like that.
And I'm not the only, there were hundreds of people that said no, and some of them had different outcomes.
Not all of them did what I did.
And they also didn't have the concurrent factor of being a whistleblower.
So when I said no, I knew they were purging people that were like me.
And there didn't have to be a lot of them because the, you know, the selection process already weeds those out.
So you've got Ed Martin sticking around saying, yes, I will go out there and do this performative ex post and tell people everything's great and Pam Bondi is a great boss and Todd's my favorite and they're great.
Even though he went out there and Todd Blanche, as far as I can tell from numerous sources behind the scenes, like screwed him over.
So why stay?
To what end?
What good can you get out of it?
There has to be a transactional good, in which case now you're doing moral relativism.
No, he'll argue that if he did, what he had to do was sort of kiss the ring.
Although in reading his tweet, he said, I'm proud to work with Trump and, you know, Pam and Todd are on the, in, in, in the team as well.
So it's sort of, he could have walked out of it and said, I never said anything directly complimentary about Pam and Todd.
But he's supposed to be doing the weaponization working group.
What has been de-weaponized in the federal government as far as you can tell from where you sit?
I do not have an answer to that.
I don't either.
And I've got really good sourcing inside of FBI specifically, which was one of the most dangerous weaponized groups.
What I know is the same exact people, literally the same human beings that were on the Joint Terrorism Task Force that were going after the J-Sixers.
Okay.
That was primarily the tool that was being used, was Joint Terrorism Task Force.
That's the brown shirts of whatever political sort of marching points that are needed.
Those people are going after Antifa types now.
The same people, because they don't have an ideology.
Their loyalty is being told by the FBI to do something and they'll go do it.
You think they're not going to turn around and go after Christian broadcast groups or conservative podcasters under the next administration, whenever it's a Democrat?
I'll just tell you right now, I'll just remove the concern.
They 100% will do that because that's what those people are and that's what they do.
None of them have the principle to stop.
So what has been de-weaponized, the way you de-weaponize is you have to remove the mechanism that allowed all that to be done.
And that mechanism was the intelligence agencies, the intelligence component of the FBI, which goes back to what you said about the Hoover building.
Kash Patel had a two-forked piece.
One was we need to get rid of the intelligence component of the FBI, break it out and send it somewhere else.
It would go to ODNI, which would be Tulsi Gabbard.
And then the second thing was leave the Hoover building.
The Hoover building and the Deep State Museum was secondary to removing the intelligence part of the FBI.
And he didn't do that.
And he actually has had fights with Joe Kent and Tulsi Gabbard, and they've been well publicized now in major media publications that those fights happened over turf because cash has actually rigorously fought to keep the FBI the thing that he said he was going to fix.
That's where it's really problematic.
That's where like I never know what to attribute to fake news because when the New York Times reports it or MSM reports that there was fighting over Joe Kent and Tulsi Gabbard getting involved to investigate the Charlie Kirk assassination and then allegedly Kash Patel.
I've talked to people that were in that meeting.
So yeah, that 100% happened.
I mean, you're like, you're, I'm doing the just trust me, but I'm telling you, I 100% believe people could look into my face.
I believe that that happened because I talked to people that told me that it happened while they were there.
Well, I mean, at some point, just trust me is a question of sources.
I have no sources inside the FBI.
I know that you still do.
I just have, you know, whatever good judgment is left in terms of trying to piece together a reality of a story.
And when they say DNI is do not invite with respect to Tulsi Gabbard, it's tough to make something up out of whole cloth.
And you haven't yet seen the Joe Kent or Tulsi Gabbard hostage tweet.
I love Pan Bondi and I love, you know, Kash Patel.
They're still fighting it.
So for whatever it's worth, Tulsi Gabbard was the one that I was most suspicious of and most suspect of coming into the Trump administration.
I would say her and RFK because both of them are like avowed Democrats in my mind.
And Tulsi Gabbard was only able to, she won me over in two things.
One, she wrote a long substack about the Second Amendment, which I encourage people to go read, because I want to see if you changed your opinion dramatically.
I need to know what the turning point was for you.
I need to know what you, what new information, what novel experience caused you to pivot from something previously that was deeply held for you.
And there's plenty of times.
People have conversion moments all the time in both the religious sphere and in the political sphere, but it has to happen.
And Tulsi Gabbards, as near as I can gather it, was that she was targeted by this weaponized government.
She was put on the terrorist watch list.
She was put on the quiet skies surveillance by TSA and by the federal air marshals.
And I've covered this extensively.
And actually, I had Sony Labosco, who's a retired federal air marshal who helped break that story.
She called me while we were going live.
And so I'm very informed on this stuff and I'm aware of it.
And I've recently reached out to people that are on a first name basis with Tulsi to get information that the TSA still has the same guy that watchlisted Tulsi Gabbard getting $40,000 bonuses in the next couple of weeks for his work as a senior executive.
There has not been a de-weaponization of the federal government to even include the people that are doing a good job.
And Tulsi, I think, actually is doing his best you can do.
But now, you talk about those moments, the conversion moments, but Kash Patel ought to have had his own as well with respect to the whole Russian.
Kash Patel's not a good person.
He's a liar to your face.
Like he lied to me to my face.
And I cannot tell you how deceptive and how damning that is for me because I'm a decent judge of character.
And I guess I just really needed someone to be saying the right thing.
And I believed it because I needed someone to be a good guy that was going to go in there.
Like I'm never going to be in the Trump administration and I have no interest in doing it.
But if someone tells me like they're on a first name basis with Donald Trump or Colin Boss, whatever, and he's got a real credible chance of going into my former agency and reforming it, which is so critical to both my family's safety.
It's going to be critical to your family's safety.
And some people in your chat who are badmouthing me, they're going to also find that they're on the wrong end of that agency probably in the next couple of years.
It's a really dangerous animal.
And when somebody tells you all the right stuff and is asking all the right questions and re-summarizes it in a way that they understand the problem, it sounds like that they really get it.
And then they go out in front of a confirmation hearing and they're using the words and the defenses that you gave them.
And then they pivot 180 degrees when they first get in there.
And the first thing they do is suck up to the people that are the cool guys inside that organization, like embrace the private jet that they were badmouthing people flying on.
Not 12 months earlier.
I sat at dinner with Kash Patel in January of 2023 at SHOT Show in Las Vegas, Nevada.
We went to the whatever the Italian restaurant is at the top of ARIA.
We sat down at a table with four people, me, another guy who owns a guns company, Michael Muldoon, who's Kash Patel's roommate slash landlord, and Kash Patel.
And the four of us shit talked Chris Ray's use of the private jet for like an hour.
He did it publicly.
The clip that I took of Dan Bongino praising you, that very episode, they were talking about it being a big deal that Chris Ray was using the jet.
It was actually the article from Nest.
Kash Patel gave me the contact for Josh Howley's people and the whistleblower email that I have that goes to Josh Halley's office, which is November of 2022, just after I did Bongino's show for the first time.
References, I got your number and information from Kash Patel.
Here is my disclosure about it.
And then Josh Halley went out in a Senate hearing and grilled Chris Ray to the point where everybody who remembers him being asked about the jet and flying off to Sarnak and doing all the stuff that Chris Ray was doing, which I think was abusive and wasteful.
And it was fraud, waste, and abuse statutes being like they could have, they could have brought charges against him if they were serious.
And instead of doing that, Cash immediately embraced flying around on a jet.
Well, what's amazing is that that episode of Bongino, where he was praising you and then railing against Nance, who has now become the hero, the very article was Nance downplaying Chris Ray's use of the private jet and other means of transport.
Because Bon Nance was on a security detail for freaking Eric Holder.
So he was trying to like, he was normalizing the status quo, which is what the FBI does.
Well, you don't understand how security details work.
It's like nobody knows who the freaking FBI director is, dude.
No, but for the amount of waste and taxpayer waste that that amounts for, given the other waste, I would not have made a mountain of what I think might be the molehill that is using the jet to go places because it's millions of dollars.
Give the Man Credit00:08:41
Yeah, it's millions.
Here's the thing.
Whenever the jet flies, so does the security detail, which means so does the per diems, which means so do the rental cars when they go there and so do the hotel rooms.
So every single time that you take a security detail, which are three shifts and roughly like 30 people, that's like 30,000.
It's like $30,000 a day of just the security detail, plus whatever it costs, $1,000 an hour on the plane, $15,000 to take off, $10,000 to land it, wear and tear and maintenance.
It's $100,000 before you even get to the destination.
And it's every single time they do it.
So, I mean, it's craziness.
Now, the question is, however, what flipped Patel?
Like, it is a fact.
I think he was always a liar.
I think Bongino and him are very different.
So I don't loop them together.
A lot of people do because it's not a sophisticated, it's not sophisticated to talk about them.
But I think Patel, if you go back and read some of the stuff that was being said that I was not looking at, first of all, he got like $5 million in stock options from a Chinese company that's being held in a Grand Cayman account and people can go validate that.
Wired magazine wrote on it.
He was asked under oath and he said he wasn't divesting of the shares.
So this is like well publicized.
It was like a $5 million.
He owns 5 million in like master controlling stocks of Xi'an, which is a huge online retailer that does like American knockoff products.
So that's kind of intense.
So that I didn't know about.
There you go.
So there's the wired.
I remember it at the time as well.
And I said, this is, you know, whether or not it's legally looks bad.
He took a bunch of money from Qatar and nobody knows why the hell he took the money from Qatar and he took it and supposedly he was going to help with World Cup, but it was after the World Cup and he was still getting it and still reporting it.
And I don't know why the hell he did that.
So I think Kash Patel always wanted to be a big dog.
And I think Hash Patel always wanted to be a guy with money.
When I sat and talked to him, he was talking about having custom-made jackets and custom-made, you know, clothing to be fashionable.
And so when you see him in the wild sort of jackets that were that he stopped wearing because he was getting criticized, like his flair and his style, like he always wanted to be a guy that was like Miami cool, but he's not from Miami and he wants to be Las Vegas, but he's not from Las Vegas.
He grew up in New York.
And so when you talk to the people that have done the interviews, the interviews were all about like when they were talking about him like growing up as a law student, they said he was a mediocre law student.
When you talk to the people that worked at him, they said he was not exceptional in the prosecutor's office, but he always was interested in two things, having money and hockey.
And I think he's still probably interested in those two things, having money and hockey, from everything I can tell about him.
That's probably what Kash Patel's most interested in.
And he also, he's like the nerdy guy that got to be, he's like the nerdy guy whose dad bought the sports team and he gets to hang out with the players now.
So he hangs out with the HRT dudes.
He has a, you know, like he's got a, what's called a cage, a military guy.
The hostage rescue team.
So that's the tier one FBI SWAT team.
They're studs.
I mean, they're robust.
Let's just go immediately hormone replacement therapy.
They're the coolest part of the FBI mission.
It's the most like unnecessary part of the FBI.
It's a $40 million boondoggle to have an elite set of operators that can do anything, but never really need that mission because there's not really a mission for it.
But if there was, then they would go do it.
By the way, they're at January 6th doing like weird stuff there too.
HRT has a big compound at Quantico.
There's a like it's its own section of the base.
And apparently, Kash Patel has probably 10 different sources have told me this, a cage there with all of his personally owned guns so he can shoot guns with the guys who are the cool guys.
And you've seen videos with him.
He's running around and doing that.
That's why you always see him in the raid jacket and he's got the cool guy SWAT patches and stuff.
He needs patches because there's spaces for patches.
Chris Ray showed up in a suit.
You know what?
Give the man credit for showing up like what an FBI director looks like.
The FBI director wears a freaking suit.
That's the uniform of the job.
And his main purpose is to basically defend the agency to Congress and not know enough to get them in trouble.
And the deputy director is supposed to run the agency.
I don't think Dan and Cash showed up with the thing.
I think Dan showed up and he was just out of his depth because he never had a possibility of being successful.
And that's not the same.
I think Cash is a legitimately bad actor.
I think Dan Bongino was legitimately out of his depth.
And so I can nuance that and not, it's not personal on either end.
Even though, like I said, Cash lied to me quite a bit.
He lied to my friends.
I have the text messages.
I've had multiple mainstream media outlets say, hey, is that text message legit?
I'm like, of course it's legit.
Where he was saying, now everybody goes back to work.
Now we get out and we fix this agency.
He was reaching out to my guys, like, you know, right up until he got confirmed.
And then he didn't need us anymore, which is kind of gross.
You know, that's, that's very transactional.
Yeah, no, it's uh, I tell you, it may, maybe people say they would react differently in your shoes, but at least they're going to understand what's going on in your shoes.
Yeah, nobody knows how they would react.
I mean, imagine getting hired on, imagine working at a company, getting kicked out of that company, knowing that that company might try to come and kill you one day, and then having a friend of yours, someone that you consider a friend legitimately who's helped you out in a bad spot, comes and takes over that company and then makes the company go out and do the same things that might come and kill you.
You'd feel betrayed.
There's no other way to do it.
And I think America should feel betrayed because a lot of people on the political right are looking going like, where the hell did that guy come from?
I thought he was our guy.
What does or can Trump do about this now?
Or what would you do, not in Patel's position, not in Bondi's position?
What would you do to fix this fuck up?
Oh, this is a five, it's a five-minute fix as far as the briefing goes.
It would probably take about three months to enact.
But like, you can fix the FBI tomorrow.
And everybody who says you can't do it has no idea what they're talking about.
We briefed Cash on how to do it.
First of all, Patel's got to go.
The current co-deputy director also needs to go.
Chris Raya, he needs to go.
He was Dan Bongino's cross buddy, a CrossFit buddy.
So he's utterly unqualified to be where he's at and he has no business being there.
And he was part of the regime.
He's one of the guys that put the Catholic school teacher who came from Houston, Texas, who was married to a federal air marshal.
He helped put her on the watch list and he kept her case running for like two years.
So he's got to go.
If you had something to do with FBI management at the GF15 level or the SES 543 level under anywhere in the last five years, you have to be gone.
You can't work there anymore, period.
You all get outsourced to Guam or Puerto Rico and you can never come back.
Patel needs to leave.
Andrew Bailey, by the way, was the first choice of Donald Trump.
He's still at the FBI very quietly with no Twitter account, as he should.
He should be the director right now.
Move him in.
He's got executive experience.
He was in the military.
He was a decent, damn decent, as far as we can tell.
Attorney General took over what Eric Schmidt was doing in Missouri and was running the cases that needed to be done against the Biden administration.
So give him a shot.
You don't have to know the FBI to be a good director.
You just have to be a good person and have good vision and guidance.
And then you should put somebody in that's a retired agent that understands the weaponization, that understands how the agency actually runs and still knows people at it.
And we gave him a recommendation.
I'd give it again.
He's still a good guy.
He's kind of a lib at the end of the day, but he understands that the Bureau is dangerous and needs to be fixed.
So he's not me.
He's not like a tell of the hun, you know, right of center.
He's a person that understands government needs to get fixed.
And so, you know, I don't want anything to do with it.
I would, I would, I never want to work for the government again.
And David, when I tell you that, like I will, I would turn down the job with thanks and flattery, but not interested.
I am never interested in working for the government again, definitively.
People have no worry about me doing that.
So then you fix it by this.
You go to your case agents that are running.
You go to your special agents in charge of the field offices who most of them probably have to leave because they're all probably part of that crew.
But you get the acting in there and you say, give me your top three agents that are working criminal.
Give me your top three that are working in counterterrorism and give me your top three in counterintelligence.
That gives you nine from the field offices times 56.
So now you have a pool of people that are going to be your mid-level managers.
Then you ask them again, I want your top three managers by experience.
And there's a thing called climate surveys, which is like, what kind of a boss is this person to work for?
And they're all rated on all these different metrics.
And there are highly rated people and there are people that are rated shitty because nobody wants to work for them.
I want the highest rated by the people who work for them and their accomplishments, which are also documented.
Give me your top three performing frontline managers at the GS14.
That's going to be your new senior executive staff.
And then you let program managers work, not from the Hoover building, but you let them work from the field offices so they can do remote work and manage programs in the field where the programs actually are.
So if you're in charge of, let's say, transnational organized crime, you know, drugs and gangs, whatever for like West Western Hemisphere, then you should be able to work out of Los Angeles or San Francisco or Omaha, Nebraska, because it doesn't really matter.
Like that's where the work is.
It doesn't need to be done at the Hoover building.
So let the people that want to not go to Hoover, that don't want to go to DC, that are the good people that want to stay in the field, allow them to stay in the field.
You'll flip bureauculture on its head by taking the people who actually work cases and make them the managers and you ask them to do it to solve the problem.
And you're going to say, I know you don't want to be a senior manager and I know you don't want to lead this.
We need reluctant leadership from people that understand what the mission is.
Please come and do that.
You fix the Bureau in 90 days.
Virtual Kidnapping Mystery00:15:23
And I'm not, I'm not even like, that's not, that's not even that crazy.
This is what you would do in any organization.
You would take people that are closest to the mission and you'd promote them to places where they can competently lead.
And you got to get rid of the toxic part.
The end.
Like five minutes.
That was four minutes on my clock.
I'm definitely clipping that and posting that.
And those who want to listen to it can and those who don't won't.
One thing before we raid redacted and so that nobody says Viva false advertisement, you said you were going to talk about the latest developments in the kidnapping.
So I've been watching the Savannah Guthrie mothers kidnapping story from day one.
I've been reluctant to express any skepticism because, you know, when you have skepticism that you can't even rationalize to yourself, it's not fun and games just to go out and say, oh, yeah, the brother's in on it, whatever.
Or they're not sad enough.
They're in on it.
It's an inside job.
A number of things are going on here.
You've actually, as we were talking before going live, have dealt with three hostage situations or kidnapping situations.
Yeah, exactly three.
And mostly what the FBI deals with are what are called parental kidnappings, where we're assisting local law enforcement and the FBI doesn't have jurisdiction.
That's the most common.
Interparental kidnapping is not that common.
It's not a common case.
Parental kidnapping doesn't mean the kidnapping of parents.
It means you're sort of acting as a parental role in the kidnapping.
No, a parent, a parent comes in and kidnaps their child.
So like a non-custodial parent will take the child, right?
So there's a bad divorce or something.
This is the most common form of kidnapping in America.
Yeah, that's like 90 some odd percent of the amber alerts that we get.
It's a huge number of them.
The FBI actually has a policy that we do not investigate those so that if you're a parent, you actually under federal law, as far as I could understand it, or the way they've sussed it out, you cannot kidnap your own child.
Even if you're the non-custodial parent, that's a state issue only.
So at the federal level, we would provide location.
So we would do cell phone pings.
We would do tracking.
We'd do surveillance.
We would do field interviews as necessary.
We'd hold containment and stuff like that.
And I've done that exactly three times.
I had one virtual kidnapping on the Indian reservation.
That was kind of interesting.
Virtual kidnapping is someone goes out of range.
And that may be what this is, for all we know.
So just so people understand what a virtual is.
Virtual is when somebody disappears from the grid.
They are no longer in cell phone coverage, maybe because of something they did, maybe because they got lured somewhere.
And then a hostage or sorry, a ransom demand comes in from a third party that is scamming you.
And they know that you can't access your loved one.
And so they say, we have your loved one.
And when you like, you know, hammer call it, your, you know, wife is out at a national park and she's in a no-cell phones area.
So you think, well, that's plausible.
And they try to get you to send over some money.
And sometimes the cartels do this kind of stuff.
And sometimes it's people pretending to be cartels.
And so virtual kidnappings are a thing that is an ongoing threat for people sort of in the identity theft area.
That's very interesting.
I mean, that was something like along the lines of hypothetically someone dies of natural causes, a criminal discovers and says, oh, now I have the ability to extort the family pretending that I've kidnapped this person.
That's a very good thing.
That's fascinating.
Actually, I never even thought of that.
Although the fake ransom note in this case sort of implied that I guess the one question is, what do you make of it as of now?
With Savannah Guthrie reading that note, I don't know who drafted it.
And people are making a big deal over the fact that one of the lines from the note that she was reading is straight out of Silence of the Lambs.
It's really weird.
Well, there's people saying that intelligence or authorities were involved in the making of Silence of the Lambs.
And maybe it's a catch-all or a phrase that they use typically to try to touch the emotional bones of the hostages, for lack of a better way of describing it.
That sounded really gross.
Yeah.
But it is, you do find that weird.
It's super weird.
I watched it a couple of times and I just went there.
It's like, you don't need to fake emotion.
You don't need to either hold it together or not hold it together.
None of that stuff is necessary.
And we're also talking about somebody who's on camera for a living.
So the odds of them being able to put something together and get their face right to be able to say something.
Or even if you're sad, like you can have a tearful moment.
This is America in 2026.
We don't need the silence of the lambs delivery of the woman in that case.
I think she was a senator in that movie that was talking about her daughter being missing or whatever.
It's all super strange.
I've basically tried to not tune into it because all the people that I see that are commenting on it have almost no experience with kidnapping.
And my experience is so little.
What I know is that it's really uncommon for this to be the case.
This is the equivalent of for whatever it's worth.
There are not very, there are basically no snipers who decide that they are going to kill a public figure with a long rifle from a long distance.
That doesn't happen statistically ever.
It's not a threat that people deal with.
It's like a hypothetical thing that the Secret Service may consider for the president.
But like imagine the movie like Shooter with Mark Wahlberg, right?
That's fantasy.
I've never seen it.
Oh, it's actually a pretty good movie.
And I think it's based on a book.
So imagine what people think an assassination plot looks like.
It's a long, you know, Charlie Kirk's shooting is a complete anomaly.
Whatever you guys want to say happened there, people with a rifle taking a shot from any distance, all of that is super weird.
People get poisoned.
That's how they die.
Break lines get cut.
That's how they die.
People have a, you know, close range and some throwaway Patsy with a low, low caliber gun.
That's how they die.
You know, Ronald Reagan having some guy jumping out, Hink, whatever name was Hinkley, whatever, popping out and dropping a revolver because he's mentally ill.
That's how assassinations happen.
Professionals don't do it that way.
You know, they'll crash a plane.
They'll do something so it covers up.
So the kidnap on a, on a big major stage and then a hostage video read, that doesn't happen.
Like there's no cases of that.
Go back and scan.
When was the last, like, when was the last time this happened?
And they're acting like this is the Lindbergh baby that got kidnapped.
That's the weirdest part of it.
Well, that's, that was exactly the one I was going to say.
That's the last, from what I understood, is the last major.
FBI doesn't do other than in movies.
So almost always it's parental kidnapping.
Sometimes it's a virtual kidnapping situation.
Sometimes somebody maybe was actually kidnapped, but you find out that it was because of drug money or something else that happened.
So we would find out like, oh, this person got captured and like maybe now they're south of the border and in Ciudad Juarez or whatever.
And you're like, oh, okay, why is that?
And they're like, oh, because he owed like the drug cartels a bunch of money and did some dirtbag stuff.
And so you're like, everyone's a bad guy in this thing.
You're still going to try to find the person.
And you're going to locate them.
But the hostage kidnap recovery mission in the United States is basically nil.
There are places where kidnapping happens, 100%.
Latin America, there's kidnappings fairly frequently, as far as I understand it.
There's an entire KNR business, kidnap and ransom recovery.
That happens in certain places.
There's some in the Middle East as well.
That is not a thing that happens in America.
And the videos that we've seen of the front door of that guy, like wearing the mask and the thing, all that shit looks like cartoon, movie, theater.
The gun placement is the strangest thing I've ever seen in my life.
And now that you carry a gun.
I've got a, I need to pick your brain on this because I don't know.
This is the original, you know, a ring, a nest, sorry, nest footage, which I don't know.
It's come out nine days later, and we don't know what time of day it was.
It wasn't specified.
And it's clearly at night.
This is clearly at night that you got the streetlights on, but it was also something Cash said here over the last eight days, the FBI and Pima County Department, yada, yada, working closely with our private sector partners to continue to recover any images or video footage from Nancy Guthby's home that may have been lost, corrupted, or inaccessible due to a variety of factors, including the removal of the recording devices.
And I don't know if he's suggesting that the criminal cloud-based.
There's no reason why you wouldn't be able to get that.
So that's what they claim.
They claim that the cameras were cut off at something like 1:45 a.m., that her pacemaker was disconnected from the phone, which had some kind of an app that was monitoring it maybe an hour and a half later or hour and 20 minutes later.
A professional doesn't do this for whatever.
This looks like a light, a flashlight in the mouth, and he's putting flowers over the ring cam.
This is him trying to cover with his hand while he does it.
Or her, some people are hypothesizing this looks like a woman's eye and not a man's eye with a fake mustache.
But this is a person that's never carried a gun before that is a complete buffoon and a goobery.
This right here, like, so that backpack, that's on a man.
I mean, that's obvious.
Like, those shoulders are men.
I think that's a man as well.
I'm going to get a question.
Chest is man.
That's all that.
That's a man.
That's how a man wears a backpack.
Nobody carries a gun.
Not a single person has ever carried a gun like that in my life.
I actually have a post.
What do we call that?
I don't even know what you call that.
Somebody called it a pen dicks, which is really funny.
A dick slinger.
I mean, you could go with a gun slinger.
Yeah, cod piece style, a cod piece carry.
I'm glad that I'm not the only one who thinks nobody carries.
Look, I carry a gun every day.
I carried it for years on duty.
I carry it years after.
I carried it years before.
I've carried a gun for quite a while, and nobody carries a gun like that.
Not a single person carries it.
And that holster is dog shit.
And just excuse my, like, that's a $20 holster worn outside the waist where it doesn't belong.
Everything about that is bizarre.
We don't know what time that video was shot at or recorded at.
I mean, no, but if the ring camera was taken down or the device was destroyed at 145 and went offline, then you can imagine that it had to be slightly before that.
So it had to happen sometime between the hours of darkness and 145 when the camera was taken down.
Let me ask you this.
I want to bring this one up.
This was the reverse, someone did a reverse infrared, which seems to give a clear look of the individual.
My question was: and I'm not trying to play sleuth.
I just, you know, you have eyes.
That's a brand new backpack in my mind.
It's not, it's not wrinkled at all.
It seems pretty distinctive.
Yeah, it might be made for a toddler because that's a really small, that's a really small backpack, you know, for the actual, for the actual or a camelback, but it seemed like a pretty big leader bag for the size.
But the question is, this, and I don't know what tools the FBI or the partners of the state have.
You can run this and pretty much quickly find out exactly the type of model brand, where, you know, roughly where it would have been purchased.
If it's a if it was purchased locally, yes.
If it otherwise, I mean, we're talking about something that was probably made in Chinese because that's where things are made.
And so if it's not a high-end backpack, that's some sort of a name brand where you had to go into an REI or an outdoor store, then the odds are you, I mean, that's the slowest thing that I would be like the backpack, unless somebody saw somebody walking with that backpack getting into a vehicle and some other camera picked it up.
I mean, that's what you'd want to look at.
Somebody said it was a gold tooth.
I also thought that too.
I was like, oh, the subject is black with super shiny gold.
Listen, a professional is not going to do that.
First of all, a professional doesn't do any of those things.
You grab somebody in the open when they're not going to be in a place.
You grab them while they're filling up with gas.
You're going to do this.
There are ways to make this thing happen where it's non-alerting and it's not going to be this, where you're not going to get caught in the ring cam.
If you are going to go and do the ring cam, either you're cutting the power before you get there.
If you're really, you know, really gung-ho, you're coming in with either a fogger or you're coming in with a spray can, which costs almost nothing, and you're spraying over the lens and you're moving on.
You're not hanging out there trying to get them pictures.
You're going to approach from the angle.
You know, you might have some kind of like a box over you and then you just do it.
There's a million ways that you could obscure this thing.
And you're not carrying a gun over your freaking crotch in a holster that has no business being on anybody's belt in America in 2026.
Nobody should be buying that holster.
If you're buying that holster, there's something wrong with you.
As a guy who has literally thousands of dollars worth of holsters alone, that's the saddest holster I've ever seen carrying an actual firearm.
It's bizarre.
Now, at the risk of either looking foolish or looking like Nostradamus, how do you see this ending?
And what do you think the ultimate outcome is?
I have no idea, but we're nine days into this thing and the woman hasn't turned up.
Like the odds are not good in her favor.
That's not, you know, unless it's somebody, unless it's somebody that has a vested interest in her well-being, then the odds are that you're probably in a bad spot for that person.
But also, it's hard for me to get really amped up.
Again, Lindbergh, baby, why did everyone care?
Because it was a child.
If somebody's 84 years old, and I don't mean to be callous, but like if you're 84 years old, like one, who are your enemies?
Who's kidnapping an 84-year-old lady?
Who's putting up with an 84-year-old lady that they kidnapped?
That's a heart condition.
That's why I think it's a bigger issue than what you are, you know, writing it off as because this is, if this is political, if it turns out to be some form of weather underground, it could be a million things.
That's the problem.
And we don't have all the information because we don't know the story of this lady.
We don't know other than what's presented publicly and what her public face is.
We don't know what the money situation looks like.
We don't know what the mom does in her free time.
Everyone says she's a lovely person.
Maybe she's great.
I'm sure she is.
But her pacemaker getting disconnected from the app is probably not a good sign.
I don't know how much autonomy it uses or how much normal feedback mechanism is required by that app, but that's not a good sign.
If you have some sort of an intervention device on the medical end and she's obviously got some sort of cardiac issues at 84, she's not young and she's got cardiac issues.
That's not going to be a great place to be putting somebody in containment, giving them low nutrition, high stress, and all of that stuff doesn't bear well for the outcome.
But again, who knows what the outcome is because we don't even understand the circumstances under why they were taken.
And the hostage video and the weird reading of the note and all that stuff.
I watched the brother.
Everyone's reading off camera these scripts.
And I don't know why you would do that.
And they're saying that we'll pay your demands and all that's weird too.
So, you know, I just you go statistically and more often than not by a long shot, it's family related.
And then almost always.
And so, and money related.
And then you always, as you're speaking out loud, cynically, people say, well, 84-year-old person, you know, we have insurance proceeds that happen if this person dies.
And then, and then this is where my thoughts go.
But, you know, again, waiting for more information.
I wouldn't, I wouldn't impugn any motive to anybody with what we know and what's available in the public.
And just reading over it, it's like really strange, non-professional.
The person who went after and did the disconnect, the fact that they're still missing, it's not a good sign.
You know, how do you not know how to carry a gun, don't know how to disable a camera, but also were smart enough to like not have a cell phone that could be trackable and you can't be found by the FBI's, you know, very capable tools, which found people at January 6th, you know, in days.
And so that's what we keep wondering.
You know, there are tools that are used on a regular basis to run these things down.
I've seen the people using them.
I probably know the guy who's actually out running down and trying to find out what's going on there from the cast team.
There's a decent chance I know the cast operator that's trying to run this data set.
And why we don't know more than that, you know, there's no reason to speculate.
There's so many variables that are out there.
When you see people going out and say, well, it's one of these things or this is that.
As a former FBI agent, it's like, really?
Well, what's your experience with freaking kidnappings, dude?
Because I ran down a missing kid.
We did a virtual and we had one that was like a legit kidnapping and they ended up over on the other side of the border.
That's it.
It's just not that common of a thing for us to deal with.
And your expertise in it is going to be like.
How experienced are you?
Like, it'd be like your experience of doing a trim molding in your house.
Like maybe you did it once and then you haven't done it again and you forgot how to do it.
That's a big, that's a big maybe that I can tell you is a no.
I have not done it.
But you could do it and then you'd have to refer something.
You wouldn't be an expert on if you had done it once.
And I'm not an expert either.
None of these people, these former FBI officials that I keep seeing pop up and they're giving their speculation.
Well, this doesn't look like this.
Dude, you don't know.
I don't know.
Like, stop, stop trading in credibility you don't have.
Kyle, I don't want to monopolize your time, but I'm going to go over to locals and you're welcome to come.
But before we do that, only if there's shit talking.
I'm only some shit talk in there.
Where can people find you?
I've given everyone your X link.
Your Rumble show is.
Are you on Commitube as well?
I'm on Commitube.
I'm on Rumble.
Beef Jerky Joke00:06:32
All are available.
It's Kyle Seraphin on either one of those, Rumble at Kyle Seraphin or YouTube, Kyle Seraphin.
But if you guys want to check it out on Spotify, give it a listen.
I'm very different than I am on X. I'm a highly sensible person, which is why David and I get along in real life, but not on X necessarily.
We wouldn't have been friends from X alone.
It's KyleSeraphinShow.com.
That's it.
Given everyone the link there.
We're going to go raid redacted and they are saying the Epstein names are now being released and the deep state is pissed.
I love their titles.
And I'm going to read all the Rumble Rants and See.
I love Clayton.
Clayton and I have had a lot of fun in the last probably 72 hours because he and I text very frequently.
And I'm a big fan of what he does.
I love talking to him.
I like occasionally waking up and I'll get a voice message from him and it'll just be him going off for like two minutes on like a bunch of things that he's rambling about that are that are in his head.
And I feel the same way.
That's what I used to do before I started doing podcasts.
I would get my brain organized by sending my friends like two minutes worth of my thoughts and then try to find out what was saying, what was crazy and what was just me being irritated with the world.
I like them.
I appreciate they're skeptical of the Israeli, the Israel angle in general.
And I appreciate you're now taking flack on Twitter for, you know, espousing some of those.
Apparently I'm anti-kosher because I'm a bacon cheeseburger nationalist.
Well, first of all, bacon is the most delicious food on earth and it's even better with a little egg, cheese, and a burger underneath.
And I don't like the Canadian bacon.
I like American bacon.
American bacon is far better.
Yeah.
We're going to raid redacted anyhow.
Go say hi to them and I'm going to read these chats and then we're going to go over to locals.
So the raid has been initiated.
If you want to get out of here or stay here, you can opt out.
Kyle, let me see if there's any questions.
I'm going to get all these.
Ginger Ninja on the bottom.
It's going to be blocked over by my face.
I think it is.
Ginger, my apologies.
It says, Kyle almost said bola wrap.
Doubt David would know what that is.
I don't know what a bola wrap is, unless it's Ebola virus in a wrap.
I don't know what the concept.
I don't, yeah, I don't know what the I don't know what the context was, bola wrap, but maybe I did.
Kyle needs to come to Tennessee and hang out for a weekend.
P.S. get a nice, sharp 44-tooth miter saw blade.
And I have an 80-tooth now.
I'm running an 80-tooth, uber sharp, cut myself with it, trying to get it out of the damn packaging made from, I think Diablo.
It's a really nice one.
I don't like knives and I don't like blades.
And I almost kicked a knife that I dropped on the floor today.
And I hate sharp objects.
I'm a blade guy for sure.
And I got a really sharp, I almost got the 100-tooth, but I couldn't justify $100 for a saw blade that was for a $400 or $500 saw.
But I did get a $60 saw blade.
And I'm looking forward to cutting stuff with it.
May Dog says, I remember the time I was in Australia and it capsized just terrible.
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Support them.
Support Anton and support his company.
They do, it's delicious.
And it's not the jerky that the Epstein guys were talking about.
No, no, no.
And it's not even the crappy beef links or the other one.
What's that?
Jack's links.
The one that hurts your jaw.
Those are shit.
Yep.
Garbage.
Viva, I refuse to remind you to put anti-I refuse to remind you to put Anton's meat in your mouth from King of Bill Tong.
If you know, you know.
Dominant one says high velocity.
I'm not reading that.
Trump loves it.
It's something.
It's had a deal with evil, but thank you for the tip.
And don't break the law, people.
Don't break the law.
Trump is keeping secrets from the deep state, even though Trump is keeping secrets for the deep state, not from.
Even though he said transparency many, many times, says Dominant One.
And now we're going to go to the locals questions and see what they have to say here.
And then we're going to take it on over to locals.
My dog is making a little.
I'm trying to send you Epstein's beef jerky.
Should I send you that product?
No, no, no, no.
I'm Anton's all the way.
That's all I do.
I'm going to get Epstein's.
Epstein's Smoke on Island.
Do you want that?
No, no, no, no, I don't.
Big Bad Bob says there's no H and Wallet.
There is now Big Bad Bob.
Finnboy Slick says, wouldn't the Epstein releases be a bull?
Oh, yeah, I got that one.
And now, Roostek, because I saw it before.
Viva, speaking of swimming with sharks, didn't you wade into deep waters messing with Alex Berenson?
Feb9, arguing with me like this is always a mistake, which is why people wind up either cursing at me or slinking away after a couple of rounds.
I think Viva Pry will go the latter, but I guess we'll see.
I think I wade in the waters with Alex Berenson.
The dude says there's no evidence of children being sexually abused in the Epstein files.
And I'm like, you have a civil lawsuit filed by the government, the United States Virgin Islands government that's not proven in court yet, but I don't think they're making those allegations and settling that's for $105 million without some good arguments.
What we're going to do now is take this party over to viva barnslaw.locals.com and talk about this in particular.
And then I'm going to be on.
Yeah, I sent you the beef jerky.
need to check it out it's uh it's in your is it is it going to get well let me see No, it's not going to get you in trouble.
Text message or private here.
Text message.
Let me see what this is.
Text.
Kyle Serifin, photo.
Epstein's signature beef jerky.
It's premium island cured.
It's redacted.
Okay, fine.
That's not bad.
So for those who, that's a decent joke.
It's made with 100% and it's redacted.
Ingredients redacted.
That's fine.
And what does it say here now with 30%?
Distributed by redacted holdings.
Transparency.
30% more.
I was expecting something much sicker and much dirtier than that.
No, this is public stuff.
What was I going to say?
We're going to locals is what I was saying.
Everyone on Viva Barnes, Rumble, come over to Locals.
Kyle, we should do this more often.
I like it very much.
Locals here.
And everyone should support you as well because you're less mad than you were when we started.
I am actually.
And I'll give you credit for that.
But also, I'm getting ready.
I'm getting ready to go bowling tonight.
So I got to get in my happy mood because if you can't roll angry, don't bowl.
You don't want to roll angry.
You can watch the Big Lebowski and get yourself in the mood.
Well, I'm just going to go look at Torturo Lick the Ball.
That's my favorite gif of all time.
What I was going to say is I'm going to be on with Alex Jones.
Nothing to be afraid of.
Nothing to be afraid of, Viva.
These are just fucking nihilists.
These are just nihilists.
We're going to locals.
Support.
If you're on Rumble, support Kyle.
And also, just, I want to get your info out there because I think despite your abrasiveness and despite people saying, I'm not going to listen to you because you're too much of a troll, you have constructive recommendations that people are stupid to not listen to.