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Jan. 15, 2026 - Viva & Barnes
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Live with Oath Keepers Stewart Rhodes - From Tina Peters to Invoking Insurrection Act!

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I almost hit end stream because it didn't go live quite fast enough.
Ladies and gentlemen, we're live on StreamYard, so I can't do my Rumble Studio voiceover.
So I'm going to do it right now.
Ladies and gentlemen of the interwebs, I will play this quick video for you while we get things set up with Oathkeeper Stuart Rhodes.
This is the appellate hearing of Tina Peters' persecution, where the people, and I put the people in quotes because it's the government persecuting the people, arguing that Tina Peters should be locked up on a felony despite the jury instructions having been only for a misdemeanor.
So that when the jury found her guilty, they found her guilty of a felony, despite the fact that it ought to have only been a misdemeanor.
You'll understand when you hear it.
Listen.
Is it your position that a person can still be convicted of a crime with which they were never charged and with which the jury was never instructed, as long as the evidence is sufficient?
Yes, I think that that is what the case law indicates, that if it's just in this case, I'll just point out too that, you know, I don't have the language of the hypothetical, you know, the statutes that you're citing in your hypothetical, but it's, it was one word, might.
And it was already.
Yeah, but that one word distinguishes it from a felony to a misdemeanor.
And look at her face, the face of a sniveling rat.
This is the prosecutor.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's just, it's, you know, bygones, bygones.
Look and listen to her inability to answer the question.
Her inability to answer the question is almost as bad as that so-called doctor from yesterday refusing to answer whether or not men can get pregnant.
This case made an extra sentence 15 more months in the Department of Corrections that couldn't have been given had it been a misdemeanor conviction.
It clearly affects a substantial right.
And I'll just say, I'm confused as to why the people are continuing to maintain that the proper remedy on this isn't to enter the conviction for the misdemeanor because the indictment used the word might and the jury was instructed on that.
So that's what the verdict is.
I am baffled as to the position that's being taken that we can somehow overlook that and still enter the felony because the evidence that was presented at trial would have supported the felony.
Are you still maintaining that position in front of us here today?
That would be your invitation, Madam Prosecutor, to back down and say, you know what, on second thought, maybe we'll back off of this argument, but no, because they're stubborn and stupid and corrupt.
The holy trifecta.
Yes, that is our position.
That case law supports that argument.
I'm sorry.
What case was it?
I've cited it in my brief.
I don't have it right in front of me.
Fail, fail, fail on all fronts, people.
I don't have it in front of me right now.
Are you still maintaining that position today in front of us?
That would be your invitation to say no.
What's the case on?
It's in my brief.
I don't really know it offhand.
All right.
We're going to get into a lot of this in a second.
If you don't know who Stuart Rhodes is, it's an amazing thing.
I was going back over my timeline because I've known Stuart longer than he's known me.
And that sounds super creepy.
I went back and looked up my coverage of Jan 6 and I came across this, people.
This is young Viva, wet behind the ears.
Let me just make sure that I got the right one here.
Which one do I have up here?
I want to get the one that has no bar on it.
Okay, so it's this one.
Just, I'll play a bit of the intro.
Well, almost a year later to the day they finally came out with some serious charges.
Seditious conspiracy.
Those were the days to be young, naive.
Viva Fry, Montreal litigator turned YouTuber, and this is Winnie the Westie.
And a story that I had been following closely from day one is the January 6th.
Let me just get my hands out here.
Insurrection.
The January 6th insurrection was just celebrated.
It's one year anniversary and people made something of a big deal of the one year anniversary of the so-called insurrection.
Fed surrection.
That's Liz Cheney.
We can stop it right there.
Look at that face.
The face only a corrupt, stupid criminal mother.
I'm going a little hard before Stuart gets in here.
Stuart Rhodes, founder of the Oath Keepers, convicted of seditious conspiracy.
I think he was sentenced to 18 years in jail.
We're going to get into it.
If you don't know who Stuart is, you're going to know who he is now, but I suspect all of you do know who he is.
Stuart, sir, how goes the battle?
Doing good, brother.
How are you doing?
Very good.
Very good.
Well, this is wild.
I've been following you for years through your injustice, through your conviction, through your solitary confinement.
I didn't know because I was on vacation at the POP.
You don't get internet in solitary?
That's that's you don't get internet or phones.
Yeah.
I may have done a bad job introducing you.
You'll get into it in a little bit further detail.
Harvard, sorry, a Yale law graduate, say, served country, smart man.
I want to actually, we'll have to get into a lot of stuff in the Q ⁇ A afterwards in our locals after party, but tell the world who you are before we get into the subject matter of the day.
Yes, I'm the founder of Oath Keepers.
I've served as a paratrooper in the army until I was disabled in a parachuting accident.
I've got a spinal fusion and still rods holding my back together.
After college, I worked for Ron Paul and his DC staff for a year.
And then I went to Yale Law School and graduated there in 2004 and clerked for the Arizona Supreme Court.
Started Oath Keepers in 2009 after I realized that the Ron Paul nomination was stolen from him with a corrupt GOP.
He was going to win.
He should have won.
And he would have beaten Barack Obama.
But that's when I knew that the fix was in and our legal systems already, I already gave up on our legal system.
And that's when I gave up my political system.
And I decided to focus on men with the guns.
So I started Oath Keepers, which was focused on military police, firefighters.
I was a firefighter in Montana, focused on all the guys at the tip of the spear who'd be given orders to violate your rights.
We wanted to make sure that they remembered their oath to the Constitution and their obligation and duty to refuse unlawful orders.
So I started that organization in 2009.
And ever since then, you know, we did outreach, but we also did security operations protecting Trump supporters through the entire Trump administration.
And that's what we were doing on J6.
We were there to do security for two permitted events on Capitol Grounds, one for Latinos for Trump, the other one for Ali Alexander, Stop the Steel Rally right outside the Eastside doors.
We had done that all across the country during the Trump administration very successfully, by the way.
Many, many times.
Antifa never closed on us or attacked anybody that we were protecting because they were afraid of us.
I had a lot of retired police officers who could care anywhere in the country and we deterred Antifa very successfully.
That put us on the radar, though.
Us, along with the Proud Boys, were hated by the left and by the deep state for many reasons.
And so on J6, I think the best way to look at J6 is that was their attempt to do a Reichstag fire moment and manipulate that into something that wasn't, creating false optics of an insurrection to deflect attention from what they had done.
They had pulled an insurrection all through 2020, and they had pulled a coup, called the COVID coup.
You know, they used COVID as their excuse to directly violate state election laws, which triggered a violation of Article 2 of the Constitution.
So that was a very, not just a fraudulent election, but also an illegal and unconstitutional election.
Let me ask you one thing.
Your spinal injury from the parachuting accident, I do have to know, I couldn't find any info on, I couldn't find the answer quickly online.
What happened?
Bad landing?
Well, so we were doing, I was in a long-range reconnaissance unit at Fort Lewis, Washington, and we were doing what they call rough terrain parachuting.
And what we did is they sent two of our sergeants to the Smoke Jumper School in Missoula to learn how to land in trees on purpose, a thing that paratroopers usually avoid.
But because we're reconnaissance, they didn't want us to be going into open areas because the enemy would be watching prospective drop zones.
They wanted us to be able to parachute in anywhere.
So that's why they went to the smoke jumpers who do that.
They parachute into forests to fight forest fires and they wear a big Kevlar suit and a big helmet.
And you intentionally land on top of trees.
So you put your parachute right on top of the tree and then you tie off with a repel rope that's in your bag on your leg in the suit.
You clip off to your risers and then you unclip your harness and then repel down.
And that works great in daylight.
But then my CO decided, RCO decided to do it at night.
And at night, we couldn't see what we were doing.
And so instead of landing on top of the trees, we were landing on the sides of the trees and several of us got hurt.
And that's how I was injured.
Land on the side of the tree.
And then my chute tore loose and I fell about 75 feet, landed on my ass, compression fractured my spine.
That was in my circle.
And Yale law graduate, some people don't really like Yale all that much, but all that to say is you're not.
Don't hold against me, please.
Well, you know, Robert Barnes has choice words about Yale, and he actually, I believe he left Yale because he out of protest.
Not a nobody and not a know-nothing when it comes to the law, because we're going to talk a substantial amount about that today.
I've got to ask you this.
You didn't have any criminal record prior to the events of January 6th, right?
Speeding tickets.
That was my rap sheet.
Yeah.
So despite only speeding tickets, I was denied pre-trial release.
Yes.
For seditious conspiracy that you were brought up on.
I mean, give us, it was a long trial.
It's going to be too much to cover right now, but how the hell does that even happen?
You're going down on January 6th as security for two permitted parades, permitted protests, I should say.
Permitted events.
Permanent events.
And this is what people sort of also lose track of when they say, oh, they had no idea so many people were coming down.
That memo that circulated internally, they knew damn well.
FBI knew damn well that people were planning things.
There were permanent events for that day.
All around the Capitol, just as it happened in November and December.
There were multiple permitted events back then.
That's my point: is that the bad guys saw the pattern of Trump supporters at Freedom Plaza then marching to the Capitol, filling the grass to listen to additional speakers like on the Supreme Court steps, for example.
So they saw that pattern and they saw the same thing happening in J6.
I believe there were eight permits pulled all around the Capitol.
They just manipulated what they knew was going to happen.
They knew that Trump supporters were going to go from Trump's rally on the ellipse to the Capitol for additional rallies and speakers.
And that's what they manipulated.
So Roger Strong was going to be the keynote speaker at the Ali Alexander event on the east side of the Capitol.
Mark Chilly Green was going to speak.
Josh Hawley, Louie Gomer from Texas, multiple Congress members were going to go out there after they got done with the challenges to the electoral slates.
That was the plan that day.
So it's bizarre to see not just Democrats, but also Republicans, like Troy Nells yesterday in that J6 select or J6 hearing threw us all under the bus and made it sound like we all just spontaneously assaulted the Capitol.
It was disgusting.
We can talk about that if you want.
I just want to get into how in the name of sweet holy hell they decided to go after you for a seditious conspiracy and how they succeeded in doing it.
It's just like in the Soviet Union.
You know, the watchword in the Soviet Union, the secret police was show me the man, I'll show you the crime.
That's what it was like here.
The target, of course, was President Trump to prevent him from being able to ever hold office again, either by disqualifying him under the 14th Amendment or by putting him in prison or by tainting MAGA so badly that he couldn't win another election.
So they tried to put him in prison.
He was charged with J6.
In fact, he was charged with one of the same charges I was charged with, the 1512 obstruction of official proceeding.
And they were building up to, that's the whole point of all of our prosecutions.
The whole point of our prosecutions was like a manufactured mob conspiracy case where they create this conspiracy, then they put Trump on top like a cherry on top.
He's the kingpin, and we are the foot soldiers.
And the big tell is that on February the 16th, with Benny Thompson as the key plaintiff, they filed a lawsuit, February 16, 2021, suing Trump, Giuliani, Oath Keepers, and Proud Boys, alleging a conspiracy to disenfranchise black voters, to violate the KKK Act, to disenfranchise black voters by assaulting democracy.
That's how early the narrative was already set and baked in.
Everything else after that was Kabuki Theater to make that true, to build up our, and this is why we're all put in solitary confinement.
I was held in solitary confinement for over a year, 15 months total.
So my co-defendants were held for two years in solitary confinement.
It was all meant to try to coerce us into false confessions of seditious conspiracy and then to turn on President Trump bearing false witness.
And we refused to do that.
We went to trial.
What was the rationale for putting you in solitary?
Was it COVID related or was it nothing?
They would bounce around different rationales.
First, they would say, oh, you're here for your own safety.
Of course, we were denied pretrial release.
Like I said, I wasn't a flight risk.
You didn't even have a passport.
How was I a threat to the community?
They didn't arrest me until a year after J6.
It took them time to build up because I didn't enter the Capitol.
I didn't fight with police outside.
My co-defense, who did go inside, some of the oath keepers did go inside, they were arrested pretty quickly.
But I wasn't arrested for a year because they had to go create fake evidence and coerce false confessions.
And they got that.
A couple of oath keepers with a threat of life in prison because they threatened all of us with life in prison.
They said that this is tantamount to treason, so therefore we're going to ask the judge for life in prison.
So y'all got a letter like that.
So they threatened guys with life in prison and two of them rolled over.
Two of our guys, one from Alabama, one from North Carolina, took a deal and pled guilty to seditious conspiracy, the worst charge of all, but they never saw any jail time.
That was their pre pro quo.
If you will say that Stuart Rhodes planned to attack the Capitol, you won't do jail time.
And that's what they got.
And in fact, the same judge, Judge Mehta, who gave me 18 years, gave them, when he finally sentenced them in December of 2024, he gave them probation only.
So they were rewarded for their repeating of the big lie and their loyalty.
I was punished.
And I've got to ask you this.
The oath keepers, it's an amazing thing because I remember what I originally thought.
And I was like nervous about covering it because I thought the oath keepers was some sort of racist, white supremacist, extremist group.
And by covering it, not even, not even favorably, but by covering it not critically, somehow I would be tacitly endorsing this.
You know, same thing for the Proud Boys.
And now I'm a quarter Mexican.
My mother grew up picking grapes.
And I, in fact, when I was a teenager, my grandparents were still picking grapes and asparagus and other working in the fields.
I'd go out there and help them just so I can learn my heritage.
That's my mom's side of the family.
It's disgusting to have that taint thrown at us.
This is complete bullshit.
No, that's how I, well, first of all, I never knew you were a quarter.
I thought it was half Mexican after my research today.
My mom was half Mexican, half white.
She never knew her father who died during World War II.
So that's why she, but she was raised in Mexican culture.
And so you start the Oath Keepers.
It's not an extremist organization.
It doesn't engage in any criminal activity.
You get tied up in Gen 6.
When do you find out?
I mean, for those who don't know, there were informants within the FBI that were, I don't know, you know, informing is an informant is not the right word because they were fabricators or manufacturers within the oath keepers manufacturing this narrative of seditious conspiracy.
When did you find out that there were FBI informants embedded within the oath keepers?
Well, we had found out back during the Mallier occupation that we found one who was went by oathkeeper mama bear back then.
We found out in the trial of the Emmanu Bundy with the Bundies that she was actually a paid informant.
So we knew it was always a vulnerability.
But what happened in our trial for J6 is I'm getting ready to call and I'm still under a gag order from Meta.
I can't tell you the person's name, but the New York Times exposed this person.
So you can go look at the New York Times from November of 2022 and find out who this person is or 2023, I mean.
No, wait a minute, 2022.
So anyway, we're at trial.
I'm going to call this person as a key witness, one of the leadership in Oath Keepers.
And then the prosecution said, hey, we have to let you know he actually works for us.
And just blew me away.
It blew me away.
I had no idea.
And it turns out my attorney said that this guy had been paid $6,000 a month to inform on Oath Keepers.
Seems based on his name was Greg McWhirter.
I'll bring it up.
I didn't say it.
No, I'm not getting you in trouble.
It's in the New York Times.
Lookie, looky.
Informant likely to testify.
So you're getting ready to call someone as a witness, which means that you, your counsel, your entire team have been in discussion strategically, information-wise, with someone who is acting either currently or had acted as an informant to the FBI.
You don't need to be a lawyer.
Say it again.
And we did not know it yet until we announced him as a potential witness.
That's when the prosecution had to tell us because that's one of the few remaining rules we have in courts.
This is what is, I mean, you don't have to be a lawyer.
You don't have to be a cop.
You have to have a half a functioning brain to understand.
It was La Vrenta Barrier, you know, who said, show me the band, I'll show you the crime.
You've got someone who you've been inviting into your defense to strategize who is informing the prosecution and the prosecution's team.
The exact same thing happened to the Proud Boys.
Yeah, but I mean, that's where I first learned about it.
I was like, this is the most absurdly insane thing imaginable.
And yet somehow you still have the very same people, not just at the FBI.
I don't know if you saw this.
This was Kyle Serifin putting this out today, which was Christopher Rea, less than a week ago, I received a call from FBI Director Cash to serve as co-deputy director of the FBI.
I'm honored and grateful.
And from what I understand, he was one of the guys that was involved in some of the school persecutions.
Kyle Serifin says, congrats on your promotion.
Would you like to comment on the FBI Houston Fields Office surveillance of Catholic school teacher Christine Crowder for false Jan 6 allegations?
There's a whole thread here.
I know your answer to this because I was listening to a few of your interviews earlier today.
And we'll get into Tina Peters in a second, but what's your opinion?
What's your assessment?
What is your bafflement, if that's a word, as to what the hell is going on with the FBI?
I think Kash Patel is a traitor.
That's what I think.
I think he's either been compromised or bought off, but he's joined the bad guys.
He's joined the bad team.
He is like, for example, when it came out that 274 FBI agents were in fact in the crowd, you know, countering all the lies that were told to Congress all these years.
What did Kash Patel say about that?
First of all, it didn't come from Kash Patel.
That's where it should have come from.
Patel and Bongino should have held a press conference announcing that, but no, it came from Congress.
So Congress finally disclosed that this is true.
There were 274 FBI agents in the crowd.
And President Trump's initial response was, there's no way they were there to do legitimate law enforcement.
They were there to be part of the Fed surrection.
And he's correct.
But Kash Patel said, oh, they were improperly used as crowd control that day.
That's what Kash Patel said to spend and cover for the deep state.
So, I think he's gone beyond incompetence, beyond doing nothing.
He's become, he's actually become part of the cover-up and part of the deep state.
And everybody has to appreciate this as well, because for the longest time, we're saying, you know, there were agitators, agent provocateur, agents, CHSs, whatever assets in the crowd.
It was denied.
It was called a conspiracy theory.
Then it gets disclosed, but not by Kash Patel.
And so it's the continual moving goalpost.
It's not happening.
Oh, it's happening.
Let's reposition and pivot and spin.
They were there for crowd control.
Can you explain to everybody on earth why they were telling you this?
And Steve Baker's response immediately was like, hey, I have seen all the video and this is complete bullshit.
He said, there's no way I didn't see any indication of FBI being used for crowd control that day.
He called it bullshit.
Well, and also, could you explain also the inherent risks of having plainclothes people purporting to be FBI to crowd control or enforce the law in that type of circumstances?
It doesn't happen.
It's a complete nothing burger.
There's no such thing as the FBI doing crowd control like that undercover.
So it's ridiculous.
So, no, they were there as agitators and provocateurs.
That's what they were doing.
And they got caught.
It's not that they're being caught.
Kash Patel, the good little bitch for the deep state, covers for them by explaining it away.
And yesterday, Ivan Rinkland and I attended the J6, the GOP-led J6 hearing on the Pipe Armor.
And you had Chairman Loudermilk repeating Kash Patel's nonsense.
Oh, they were there doing crowd control.
So they're carrying water for Kash Patel already.
They're covering for Kash Patel.
And it's like a big love fest for Kash Patel.
It's disgusting.
My question is: this is going to get into a number of other issues: is how Trump is not personally pissed off by all of this.
He's got some people there.
We've been putting a lot of blast on her.
Jocelyn Ballantin, who tried to extort false confessions out of Enrique Tario.
She coerced Jeremy Bertino.
He did a false confession and bore false witness.
And then now, after the fact, he signed an affidavit saying that, hey, I was coerced with threatening of life in prison.
That's why I did this.
She's already been caught committing perjury.
And in my case, in our case, the Oath Keeper trial, there were two Capitol Police officers, one, Officer Lazarus, and the other one, Harry Dunn, who were also caught red-handed committing perjury.
And they were caught after the fact by Steve Baker, once again, who went and looked at all the videos because they testified they were together that day because our guys actually helped Harry Dunn de-escalated a confrontation where Harry Dunn was probably about ready to shoot Trump supporters.
But our guys stepped in between, put their hands out towards the Trump supporters, with their back towards Harry Dunn, and calmed everyone down, in particular Harry Dunn.
And at first, in his first 302 to the FBI, he admitted that the Oath Keepers helped him that day.
But then at trial, after they coached him to lie, he said, oh, no, that was some other group.
It wasn't the oath keepers.
I was mistaken.
Some other guys dressed like that helped me that day.
The oath keepers were hostile.
And Officer Lazarus was with me and saw it.
And then Lazarus gets on the stand and says, Yes, I was with Harry Dunn.
I saw the threats that the oath keepers being very threatening and hostile.
Well, it turns out, as Steve Baker discovered, at that moment, Lazarus was actually in the tunnels under the Senate on video.
You can't be in two places at the same time.
So they've been caught red-handed committing perjury.
And so to me, it's like, well, why haven't they been prosecuted for perjury?
That's a good question, right?
My question is, why isn't Trump personally offended that the people who try to entrap him, facilitate another impeachment, remove him from office, and prevent him from holding office?
Why is he not personally offended that his DOJ is not only continuing to employ them, but apparently giving raises to some of them?
I don't know.
I mean, I mean, Kara Casanova, right there in the White House, asked him, What about Valentine?
And she said, Hey, this is the same prosecutor that went after General Flynn, same one that went after the Proud Boys, the Sabon for Saborn Perjury.
And he said, Well, Waltham, take a look into that.
So he might be concerned about it, but it's really bizarre.
It's like a repeat of the first term.
It's like a lot of times the communication of President Trump is on Twitter or on True Social, and it's like he's not president.
He complains about something he sees going on inside of his own administration, and yet nothing's done about it.
They haven't purged out all the prosecutors, as we've already noted.
They haven't purged out all the FBI agents who persecuted all of us.
It's as though the Biden administration was still running the DOJ and the FBI.
I see no difference, frankly.
And that's why, like the persecution of Brian Cole, I believe is an innocent man, being railroaded, and it was like deja vu all over again, sitting in his hearing yesterday.
He's in solitary confinement facing trial.
And at that moment, there's a congressional hearing tainting him as the pipe bomber, tainting the jury pool by being done by both Republicans and Democrats.
They were united yesterday in saying that Brian Cole is the pipe bomber, ignoring all the evidence Steve Baker put out, all the stuff that Kyle Seraph has been saying about this, ignoring all of that.
It's disgusting.
Well, there is zero question that Kyle, Steve Friend, and a number of the, what do they call them, the suspendables, are not only persona non grata, but apparently the enemy of the current FBI.
Probably because they're holding a mirror to it and exposing all of the unresolved corruption and ongoing corruption within the FBI.
I never knew Kash Patel beforehand.
I didn't have a negative opinion of him going into this.
We were all quite thrilled and enthralled that he was going to be.
I was too.
I read his book while I was in prison.
Government Gangsters was a good book.
So yeah, where'd he go?
It's like invasion of the body snatchers.
I like Bongino.
I was in Alexandria Jail in solitary confinement.
I had a little AM FM radio.
I listened to Bongino every day.
And that Bongino was awesome.
Where'd he go?
He's been replaced by another Bongino.
Well, you know, I said, and I knew Bongino.
I still know, I mean, I know him.
I think, you know, everybody was saying, if he's not, if he can't do what he wants to do there, then he's got to get out.
And people were saying this six months ago.
He's gotten out now.
Now people say, well, now that he's out, he's got to, you know, reveal all the skeletons in the closet.
I'm like, he wouldn't do that even if he could, because he doesn't want to sink this administration.
And nobody wants this administration sunk because the alternative is existentially worse.
No, actually, he'd be doing President Trump a great favor and great service to President Trump and this country to blow the whistle on all the dirt.
That's not what he's doing.
He's covering for it.
They're going to lose the bid terms precisely because this administration is acting just like when it comes to the DOJ and the FBI, they are acting just like the prior one.
Nothing's changed.
They're still doing what they did.
The fact that Valentine is still working and now, once again, prosecuting an innocent man, Bongino's part of that.
He stood up there and pointed his finger at Brian Cole also.
So it's not simply that, oh, he couldn't say anything.
He participated in the persecution of an innocent man.
So I'm going to call that dereliction duty.
And frankly, I'm going to call it treason.
Because it's by doing that, they're covering for what I believe is the accurate pipe bomber.
I think Steve Baker was on the right, on the right track.
That's exactly why they suddenly found this other guy depended on was to deflect attention from the CIA operation that it was.
Now, we're going to have to get into some of the proactive measures that can be implemented beforehand.
But, you know, among the what are objective, undeniable, egregious injustices, Tina Peters is still in jail, rotting away.
I started off the show with that clip where basically it's now come to be apparent to the at least the appellate level that the process, the judge gave flawed jury instructions that resulted in the conviction of a felony, which ought to have been a misdemeanor based on the charging documents that added 15 months to her sentence.
She's sitting in a Colorado gulag rotting way.
State in prison.
And I know that this cause is particularly near and dear to you.
What's going on with Tina Peters?
What can be done for Tina Peters?
And what do you want to get out to the world that should be done as relates to concrete action to save Tina Peters?
She is a material witness into the election fraud of 2020, which was a violation of federal law and is a federal crime.
As the clerk of her county, she was not just administering state elections, but also federal elections.
By doing that, she was acting as a federal officer for federal elections.
So what they've done is they've criminalized or attempting to criminalize following federal law.
She was following federal law when she preserved evidence of suspected vote fraud and violation of HABA, the Help America Vote Act, federal law, which governs congressional elections.
Keep in mind, they were not just administering a presidential election at the federal level, but also elections for Congress.
And the Help America Vote Act applies.
So complying with federal law can't be a crime.
That would violate the supremacy clause.
That's what they're doing.
And I think a good analogy is after the Civil War, imagine a freed black who is running for office or working as a clerk, who then is hammered in state, like say in Alabama, for example, or any state in the South, is hammered for getting up there and following federal election laws.
What's the difference?
So obviously, President Grant, for example, would not let that stand.
He'd go rescue that free black.
That's what's going on now.
She's a material witness.
I believe President Trump should order, and Ivan and I are of like mind on this, that she just, she should just order that the U.S. Marshals to go pick her up as a material witness, which they do all the time.
They go into state prisons all the time and grab people who are federal witnesses, material witnesses to a federal case and remove them into federal custody for their own protection.
You should go get her and put her protection in the White House in a Lincoln bedroom.
I think it's a mistake for the, I think it's a good argument to say President Trump has pardoned her, therefore it should apply to her.
I think it's a good argument.
And the Supreme Court has not, that I know, had a decision that says he can't.
So I think it's a brilliant argument by Peter Tickton and the other guys are working on that case to say he can.
But it's a mistake to go to a state court judge and say, oh, please recognize the president's, you know, hat in hand.
Please recognize the president's power to pardon her.
Just act on the pardon as though he does have that power and also he'll get her as material witness if he'll rescue her.
That's what should be done.
Because what otherwise was likely to happen, sadly, is she may die in prison because she is a key witness.
She is a very key material witness, probably the key witness to the fraud of 2020.
And we can't leave her in the hands of some of the people that are being accused of the conspiracy.
Who would be in charge of taking that action of taking her into federal custody?
Does that come from the U.S.?
That's how it would be if you had a decent attorney general.
But I believe President Trump, because he's the boss at the top of the food chain, should just do it himself, you know, and let the chips fall where they may afterwards.
Just go get her.
Just order the U.S. Marshals to go get her.
Back them up if you want to.
They can go down to Venezuela and grab Maduro in the middle of the night.
They can go to Colorado and grab Tina Peters.
But she's a material witness, one, A, B, he's already pardoned her.
And like I said, until you see a Supreme Court case saying that he can't pardon for state offenses, he should operate under the assumption that he can.
Why should he not otherwise?
Why should he wait and see if a court can give him permission to exercise the duties he believes he already has power to do?
Just go do it.
No, it's the, it's better to beg for forgiveness than ask for permission type thing.
He is the commander in chief.
He's the most powerful person in the country and an elected one.
The Constitution gave him those powers.
Have you met him only once in 2025?
I've never met President Trump.
I've been to rallies.
I've been in the VIP section in multiple Trump rallies over the years, and we've done a lot of security outside of Trump rallies, doing volunteer escorts back to your cars.
Because when you go into a Trump rally, Antifa knows you're going to go through metal detectors for secret service.
So when you come out, you're going to be unarmed.
So they'll attack Trump supporters.
So we would post up armed, like retired police officers carrying pistols outside the venue and give volunteer escorts back to people's cars.
That's what we did all the time.
But I never met President Trump.
No, ironically.
And do you have a direct line to the president?
I do not.
Wish I did.
That's why in 2020, I wrote open letters, like November, December, and January, open letters to President Trump, urging him to invoke the Insurrection Act to help to stamp down on the election fraud and discover evidence of it.
And I also encouraged him to use his absolute power as president, commander-in-chief, to declassify anything held in the files of the NSA, CIA, FBI, DNI, et cetera.
Absolute power and authority to classify anything and put it out there and expose the deep state.
And I said, hey, Epstein is nothing but a mossad and CIA intelligence operation, a blackmail operation.
That's how the intelligence agencies run all these politicians is through dirt.
Either they blackmail them or they bribe them.
They're compromised in some way.
It's how they're controlled.
I mean, obviously.
Look what J.A.G. Roover did, right?
In the days of file cabinets, before there was any electronic surveillance, he was running around with wiretaps, bugging people's bedrooms.
He had files on everybody.
That's why he died in office.
So imagine what it's like now at the NSA.
So that's what I said to President Trump, use your absolute power.
To take down the deep state, the first step is exposure.
I think to this day, right now, it's the most effective thing he can do is use exposure, just like Elon Musk did when he took over Twitter.
What did he do?
Threw the doors open and showed all the backroom dealings, FBI, DHS, NSA, sitting in, and CIA, sitting in on internal discussions out of Twitter of who to censor and what to censor.
Same exact thing should be done.
Doge was on the right track.
We need more of that.
That's what I said.
That's what I'm saying since 2020.
That's what I'm saying right now.
I think President Trump right now should invoke the Insurrection Act and do exactly that, a big declassification and take down, start with the corrupt judges, take them down because they're your most dangerous obstructionist, but then go after members of Congress.
And he should do it before the midterms to give us a chance.
Once you've exposed bad actors in the Republican Party, along with the Democrats, gives us the Patriots, the base, time to go and find real candidates to run in those primaries so that they can win the midterms.
If you don't have effective, good, actual America First candidates in the midterms, they're going to lose.
Stuart, I feel like a total idiot.
It sort of escaped my grasp of reality.
You've been in jail up until the pardon.
So you spent three plus years in jail.
Yes, I spent a total of three years in prison.
Like I said, over a year in solitary confinement, about nine months pretrial.
And my codefense spent up to two years because they were arrested earlier than I was.
But yeah, I got out inauguration night.
And I'm grateful.
I mean, thank God for President Trump.
But unfortunately, I was commuted only.
There was like 14 of us that were given commutations only.
All of us either oath keepers or proud boys.
And there's still 12 of us remaining who need pardons.
We've lost all our military benefits, lost everything.
But I think it's telling that the ones who went to trial, refused to participate in a lie, didn't get pardons.
But the two that I mentioned earlier, two oath keepers that did, Josh James and Todd Wilson, they got pardons.
They got no prison time, but they also got pardons, which is they got no prison times because they weren't convicted is the rationale.
No, no, they pled guilty to seditious conspiracy, but they were given the judge, the same judge gave me 18 years, gave them probation only.
That's the reward for participating in the lie.
They bore false witness against me, saying that Stuart Rhodes planned since November of 2020 to attack the Capitol.
So their deal was they got no prison time.
But I'm letting you know when also when President Trump came back in, they got pardons.
Those two got pardons.
But those of us who went to trial and were loyal to President Trump did not get pardons.
So I think there's bad actors inside of his circle that are advising him to reward going along with a big lie, but to punish those who didn't.
I don't blame him, but there's someone in his circle that wants that false narrative to continue.
And we saw it yesterday.
You had Markowitz, the radical communist on the left, attacking me because I was sitting in the front row with Ivan.
And he's like, oh, by the way, he's not, he has not been pardoned.
He's still a convicted seditionist.
So that's what they will use against us, both Democrats and Republicans.
They'll use that against us.
And I'm going to keep reminding everybody that you have a Yale law degree.
So your legal recommendations are not to be disregarded flippantly.
Well, you don't need a YOLA degree to read the Constitution.
I mean, the Constitution, Article 1, Section 8, lays out that Congress has the power to provide for calling forth the militia for three purposes, to repel invasions, suppress insurrections, and to execute the laws of the Union.
And they did with militia statutes and later on with the Insurrection Act.
We are squarely, obviously, facing an invasion of this country, have been for decades now, actually.
We're facing an insurrection, increasingly open, including by governors of states, and we're facing direct violent resistance to execution of the laws of the Union.
So it's completely proper for him to use the National Guard as part of the militia.
And he could also use the rest of us too, because we're also part of the militia, by the way.
So I know how you feel about the Epstein debacle that keeps on going.
What was your knowledge of Pam Bondi before any of this, before she got appointed?
I mean, you know, of course, back when I first wrote those open letters, President Trump had mentioned Epstein.
She wasn't on my radar.
I don't even know who she was.
But I knew Bill Barr was a bad actor from the very beginning.
I couldn't believe that President Trump had him as his AG.
And I see Pam Bondi as simply Bill Barr in a dress.
She's acting in the exact same pattern.
The obvious play by the deep state is to distract Trump and run the clock out.
Put him on the defensive.
And you lose the midterms.
You're going to impeach him again.
It's the same play.
And I think we're going to see this summer a repeat of 2020.
We're going to see more open insurrections and riots across the country, once again, to distract President Trump.
That's why I believe, I think he should stomp the camel's nose under the tent now before it gets out of hand.
I think he should invoke the Insurrection Act in Minneapolis and use them there.
You've already got the Governor Tim Walz threatening to call or giving a warning order out to his National Guard and threatening to call him up.
I think President Trump should do exactly what Eisenhower did in Little Rock, Arkansas, when the governor of Arkansas called up his National Guard to block the entry into the schools by black students.
What did Eisenhower do?
He nationalized the Arkansas National Guard, called them into service under his command, which he can do.
And then he sent in 101st Airborne, 1,001st Airborne paratroopers to escort students.
I think President Trump should do the exact same thing right now.
I think half measures don't work.
Half measures is how you got that shooting with a crazy Karen confronting ICE.
Why weren't the streets blocked off?
So I'm not blaming the ICE agents in the sand.
They need more manpower.
So in many ways, because Eisenhower dropped the hammer and sent in the 101st Airborne, it was peaceful after that, right?
There were no local cops going to want to go up against 101st.
No state National Guard is going to want to do that either.
I think President Trump should just take that example and follow it directly.
Just nationalize the Minnesota National Guard and then use the 101st Airborne.
Why not?
I forget who it was.
And if the chat remembers, there was someone talking about, you know, like it's not, it's a statistical certainty that situations are going to go haywire given the amount of interactions that are occurring.
It's just, it's a matter of fact.
And whether or not you think the shooting was justified or not, it's just a statistical matter of fact that it will happen because one in 100, whatever, will end that way.
And so like you say, you know, the question now and the question of the day is whether or not Trump should just invoke the Insurrection Act, whether or not the time has come.
You got Tim Walz.
Yeah, but you got Tim Walz saying we're at war with the federal government.
And I was on earlier with Tim Cass, like, can you imagine they're saying we're at war with the federal government, not because we want to secede like in the Civil War, but because we want to impede federal law enforcement from enforcing federal law within the state to the protection of illegal immigrants and at times, objective pedophiles, abusers, criminals.
And that's what they're saying we're at war with to defy the federal law enforcement.
I don't know when you would invoke the Insurrection Act, if not now.
The question is going to be, though, but I like the idea half measures get you into this problem.
Full measures are going to get you out of it.
Do you think he's being told that it'll be politically unpopular?
Of course.
Yeah.
Just like in 2020, I'm sure in 2020 he was told the same thing.
If you do this, you'll lose the election.
That's what they were telling him back then.
I believe that the open insurrection in the streets across America and burning cities down played a role, direct role in the way the Supreme Court of the United States caved in 2020.
So I'm from Texas.
Texas sued Ken Paxon, Attorney General of Texas, sued Pennsylvania.
When one state sues another, it's under the direct jurisdiction of the Supreme Court.
It goes straight to the Supreme Court under their original jurisdiction.
It goes straight to the Supreme Court as a trial court.
And then 20 other states joined in a lawsuit.
That should have been just like Bush v. Gore in 2000, where the Supreme Court stepped in through Article II and said, hey, Supreme Court of Florida, you have to use the established law that's passed by the Florida legislature when you count the hanging Chads.
That's why it went to Bush.
The Supreme Court enforced state election law in Florida.
They did that through Article II.
Same thing should have happened here.
But whistleblower inside the Supreme Court among the clerks said what happened is in conference, Roberts, the Chief Justice, screamed at Alito and Thomas, who were like, hey, we have no discretion not to hear this case.
He screamed at them and said, if we take this case and give this to Trump, they will burn down our cities.
That's what Roberts is reported to have said.
So I believe that all the chaos throughout 2020 had an effect on Roberts and the others, Kavanaugh and Barrett, joined with Roberts in sitting on their hands along with the Democrats on the court and ducking their responsibility.
That's what threw us into a constitutional crisis.
If the Supreme Court had done their job, like it did back in 2000, if they had done their job in 2020 with the election challenge from Texas, that would have settled it, but they didn't.
So that's how we wanted where we are.
And now the idea of invoking the Insurrection Act, what would be required in order to invoke it?
And what would the measures look like after invocation?
So the Insurrection Act is pretty broad.
It gives the president discretion.
It says when he determines that the rights of the American people are not being protected by state or local officials or directly violated, obstructed, and you can't get justice in normal course of the courts, which is where we are.
At that point, he can use the National Guard, the military, or any other or any such other method he determines necessary to secure the rights of the American people.
It's very broad, and that's why they're afraid of it.
They're afraid of the Insurrection Act.
That's why they keep, I'm sure what's going on in his circles is that weeny lawyers or those who are part of the deep state are continuing to do what they did back in 2020 and tell him you can't do this or you lose the election.
I'm sure now the argument is you can't do this or we'll lose the midterms.
So they're getting him in a corner where he's not going to do what he should do, tamp this down.
Instead, they're going to leave him vulnerable to being perceived as weak by his own base, inactive, which is what's happening right now, and not actually getting after the bad guys, not taking them down.
But I believe he, like I said, in 2020, it should be a two-part, a combination, you know, like a two, a two, two-combination bunch or two punches a combination.
Hit him with the Insurrection Act, but also do the mass declassification exposure and start with the corrupt judges.
Show the ones that are pedophiles.
Show the ones that have taken money from communist China or other foreign enemies.
Name your pick.
Show the ones that are that are compromised and criminal.
Show all the insider trading.
In other words, do what Doge was starting to do, but do it to the judges, do it to the executive branch.
And like I said, move the bad actors from Congress to and give us his own base time to run good people for the midterms by giving us time with the primaries.
A lot of primaries kicking off in March.
So we're running out of time.
I guess so.
I want to give the concrete.
So, like I said, that's why I brought up Eisenhower.
Mirror what Eisenhower did: nationalize the National Guard of Minnesota after you invoke the Insurrection Act, call up the 101st, have the 101st go in the city and escort ICE as they go and arrest the worst.
Focus on that.
They've been focusing on the rapists and the murderers, trend to Agua, and all that, the child sex traffickers.
Absolutely.
And I would put child sex trafficking and the fentanyl deaths, which is obviously the cartels acting as prime as proxies for China to kill Americans, murder Americans, especially our youth, our military-age men and women.
That's what they've been doing.
So just focus on that.
And he should hold press conferences where they show all the photos of all these crazy criminals that they're going and detaining.
He should have, you know, just like he did during COVID, have constant press conferences showing what he's doing and why he's doing it, and have Tulsi Gabbard up there and Hegseff explain to the American people why this is necessary, along with both Christy Noam and then the head of ICE, just explaining what they're doing and why and why it's necessary to send in U.S. Marshals.
I mean, send in National Guard and then the 101st to protect ICE.
Now, looking at it from the outside, it really looks like and feels like there's two camps: the cool kids and the not cool kids.
The DNI do not invite Tulsi Gabbard and then Pam Bondi, who should be replaced.
Now, some people are going to say, Yeah, I mean, she should have been fired six months ago, and it's only becoming more and more clear.
The question is: who really is gatekeeping the knowledge to Trump in your view?
I mean, most people say Pam Bondi, some people say Todd Blanche, others say Susie Wiles, and then others just say, Well, if Trump doesn't get it at this point, he's never going to get it.
Where do you put that?
Um, where do you put that target in terms of who the well?
I mean, as his base, we have a duty to continue to pressure him to refocus on his real job.
I mean, I've got a tattoo in my arm, I'll show it to you here.
I got that tattoo in prison, that's Trump with his fist raised in the air and says, Fight.
I got that after he got shot in Butler.
Hold on, you got that done in prison?
Yeah, I got that in prison.
So, I got that because when I saw that, I realized that you know, he was saved, saved by divine intervention for a reason.
And it's not for trade deals, it's not for any of the other stuff he's been doing.
It's to take down the deep state and save our republic.
And if he doesn't take the deep state down, this republic is in dire shape.
I'm not saying it's lost, but it's pretty bad.
They're going to come back into power if they if he does not do his duty and take them down.
They're going to run the clock out on him, come back into power.
And all those same FBI agents that persecuted us are stolen job, all the prosecutors and DOJ, all the dirtbags decided to see they're all still there.
CIA, everything, nothing been purged.
What's amazing is they don't, I would say, even the people who think they're the cool kids now don't understand they will be first in line.
Kash Patel, they'll go after Kash Patel for what Kash Patel went after.
Uh, who was it, Christopher Wray?
Who was the guy that was using the jet and Patel was um criticizing?
And it's funny because I was, I was, I started re-watching an older episode of Bongino where he was talking about a story written by an FBI mouthpiece who's now become almost a godlike figure, a John Nance.
And he was talking about how serious it was that Christopher Way was using the FBI jet like its personal, his personal transportation device.
And, you know, Kash Patel comes out in this podcast talking about using secret.
I don't know if he was talking about using Secret Service to bring his girlfriend to certain places, but using the jet and saying, well, you know, they will go after Kash Patel for what Kash Patel said and criticized Christopher Wray for.
They'll go after Pam Bondi when they get into power.
So the idea that it's like unless they've made deals.
Unless they've made deals.
Well, yeah, you're dancing with the devil.
The devil's going to dance back.
Maybe not.
I agree.
Whatever deal they might have been given, whatever pressure they're under, I don't care what their excuse is.
You know, there's three ways to control people, right?
Threats, bribery, or blackmail.
I don't care what it is.
I just don't care.
They should do their duty.
But yes, once President Trump is gone and the deep state comes back with a vengeance against all of us and finishes the destruction of this country, you can bet for be lined up against the wall and shot too, like along with the people.
I believe that Don Jr. and Eric and Laura, I believe they understand this.
They have to because they didn't finish with Trump and they didn't get everywhere they wanted because of that act of divine intervention.
And so the concrete steps, you know, with respect to Tina Peters, bringing the Marshals, take her into custody.
Why they haven't done it yet, Lord knows.
Minnesota set the example, invoke the Insurrection Act.
He's being shut down for deploying the National Guard or what is it, using the state National Guard to protect federal facilities.
The threshold is different for the Insurrection Act and he can invoke that.
Yeah.
One reason why the Supreme Court recently upheld a polymer injunction against him doing it in Chicago is because he hasn't invoked the Insurrection Act.
There's other flawed arguments that his lawyers were making that they were mistaken, but that's neither here nor there.
But yeah, he's not gone far enough.
That's the problem.
I mean, he's being talked into half measures that don't work.
Now, let me ask you this: the Oath Keepers, I had to double check that it was not a defunct organization, but still the organization that has the, I use the word taint because I'm rebuilding it.
No, I know, I appreciate that.
That's what I learned today as well.
But it's like you say, you still got that conviction for seditious conspiracy, which was, it's not a joke because it's not funny.
It's an absolute outrage.
What's your plan with the oath keepers?
How do you take it back?
And how do you rebrand it given the taint that still exists from the last persecution?
I ignore what my enemies tell me say against me.
I've traveled around the country to speak all over Texas and in Michigan and New York.
I was just in Long Island speaking there.
And the Trump side of the house loves me, loves us.
So, you know, the people that really matter as far as I'm concerned care about us and respect us.
The other side, I don't care what they think.
That's how I am.
So just going to drive on.
Just going to drive off our mission.
So when the recent Hill Country flood happened, we jumped right back in.
Myself and other Oath Keepers jumped right back in.
So doing disaster relief.
And we've done like 14 hurricane relief missions.
We're just going to drive on with our mission and we're not going to let the taint stop us.
Let me bring up some of the chat or rumble rants over on Rumble.
There's going to be might be something on directly on point.
Yeah, let's do it.
Yeah, no, for sure.
We're going to do something in the locals after.
And it's not behind a paywall, everybody.
So just get your butts on over there.
Old man Toby says, Viva, is there a reason it always seems to be women, judges, doctors, and politicians?
Not trying to be sexist, but there has to be an intellectual reason.
Well, unfortunately, in the case of Tina Peters, it was a male judge.
I just, you know, well, actually, just yesterday, I want to talk about that hearing real quick.
I believe Brian Cole is innocent.
It was like Dejavu all over again, sitting in there and watching another innocent man being railroaded.
Let me bring this up.
Let me bring this up.
Ivan wanted me to bring this one up here.
I'll just make sure the volume is low enough.
Thank you to the FBI and the Department of Justice and law enforcement.
Pause.
Who is this Dweeb?
I remember him.
That's Florida rep Markowitz.
The radical communist from on the left.
Okay, and I?
I expected to be attacked.
I'm sitting in the front row with Ivan and triggered these guys.
I expected to be attacked by the leftists, so there's no surprise.
Okay, let's say thank you to the FBI and the Department OF Justice AND LAW Enforcement for catching uh the pipe armor.
By the way, the head of the OATH Keepers is here with us in the audience.
Stewart Roads is here here today.
It's not every day, of course, not every day of course.
Or sitting in the front row in the reserved section which is controlled by my colleagues uh, across the aisle.
But yeah, he's here.
I mean, I don't know you have any questions.
My colleagues across the aisle for the head of the OATH Keepers that's sitting in the reserved section of of this hearing like like like, your kind is not welcome here, stewards.
I mean, he wasn't pardoned, he's still convicted of seditious conspiracy.
See, there you go.
You guys say, didn't happen right, there wasn't an insurrection.
I don't know how you get convicted of seditious conspiracy if there, if there was an insurrection, I don't know how you don't have any charges.
I gotta go.
I think I remember Mark Wits' name.
I have to double check something before I say it.
Um so, the hearing yesterday, it's an amazing thing, like I.
I didn't surprise me.
That did not surprise me.
What did surprise me was Troy Nels.
If IVAN, give you that clip, play that one, let me see if I own State threw us right under the bus and by doing so, threw Trump right under the bus.
Uh, I got it right here.
Give me exactly one second to bring this up.
Yeah uh, who's Troy Nels?
For those who don't know, is a is a Texas Republican in the House, from the Houston area.
Okay, here we go, let's hear what he has to say.
Why would Trump supporters leave a Trump speech and breach the capital before the speech ever ended?
I've been to rallies, this and that when the boss is up there speaking, nobody leaves early.
Nobody leaves early.
I tell you why, because there was never a call to violence.
There was a never call to violence or a call to storm the capital.
That was something the militia groups are craving and created on their own.
The OATH Keepers, proud boys and Representers bad actors, that they gotta say it.
Bad actors, you're acting alone and not listening to Trump.
Stewart Roads stated that if Trump didn't do what they wanted, they would have to do it themselves.
Well, considering you're only imploring Trump to do that which was legally and constitutionally justified, I mean, why?
I don't know why that's a threat to anybody who upholds the constitution.
There was, there was no plan, no plot by any of us, but what he just did.
He began the day by saying, this committee is going to refute all the false lies of the J6 select committee back in 2022.
Right, but then what does he do?
He just affirmed three quarters of Liz Cheney and Benny Thompson's crap about oath keepers and proud boys and all the Trump supporters who went to the Capitol and software.
He just, he just confirmed three quarters of the lie.
He's just saying oh, Trump wasn't involved.
Three quarters, in other words, the sunday, but they want to put Trump on the top of the chair.
He's going to build up the whole sunday and say yes, I agree with Jamie Raskin that they did plot to attack the capital.
They were all correct about that.
It's just that Trump's not really involved.
He just screwed president Trump to put my oath keeper, to put my friggin paratrooper hat back on.
In the military we call that a blue falcon.
What that means?
Nope, a buddy fucker, a blue falcon.
He just threw us all on the bus.
A friend fucker, not a buddy like butt, not b-u-t-ty-y b-u-d-d-y-u-d-d-u-y, a buddy.
A blue falcon is bf, right buddy.
He just not.
Only did he over Trump's base and all of us who were loyal to president Trump and went to trial and refused to turn on him, he just president Trump.
To put it in crash terms, he just shoved his cock three quarters of the way into Trump's ass because he just confirmed what Dick Cheney is like.
Dick Cheney has a strap on, he's helping Dave Cheney shove it three quarters of the way in, saying that yes, there was a conspiracy, but oh, Trump's not involved.
I'm still sued right now.
There's still two active lawsuits.
One begun by Benny Thompson on February the 16th, 2021, a lawsuit by members of Congress suing Trump, Giuliani, and Proud Boys and Oathkeepers.
Mentioned it earlier.
It's still an active lawsuit in front of Trump in front of Judge Mehta.
There's another one by Capitol police officers, also in front of Judge Mehta, the same one that put me in prison.
Those are going on right now.
He's helping them build the case by saying that, and that's why Raskin just smiled.
He didn't say anything to contradict that.
Thank you very much for confirming that three-quarters of what we said back in the J6 Select Committee is accurate, that the Oathkeepers and Proud Boys plotted to lead the attack on the Capitol to disrupt the certification.
Thank you very much.
It's so short-sighted and also just contradictory that if it were legit, then why the pardons and the commutations?
Like, if it were President Trump knows bullshit, he knows.
I was blown away by that.
I couldn't, I couldn't believe it.
Here's why we left early, or some people left early, because there are planned events all around the Capitol who were already planning on going from Trump's ellipse rally to the Capitol to listen to challenges to the certification in Congress, listen to speakers, like mentioned earlier.
You got, you know, you got Roger Stone's keynote speaker, you got Richard Hillary Green going to come out and talk to them after the challenges.
That was already planned.
People were already planning on going from Trump's ellipse rally to the Capitol for additional events.
That's why they left early.
So this guy doesn't even know the facts of the day.
He should have shut his mouth.
If you don't know something, don't say anything.
No, but I can only imagine the degree to which your stomach, I don't know how hardened your stomach is, but sinks when you hear somebody who ought to be an ally and forget allies, who at least ought to know the reality.
You mentioned Raskin.
I want to bring up Raskin.
I mean, he's no surprise.
Oh, no, no, no, but I love it.
I just got to play just a little bit of this is him rejoicing in the pipe bomber being arrested because they're all, you know, they all believe it.
Now, of course, the prosecution of Brian Cole, the pipe bomb suspect, remains ongoing.
Full facts of the case have not yet emerged.
And under our criminal justice system, of course, he's presumed innocent until proven guilty.
And so this hearing is at best premature.
I hope certainly it does nothing to recklessly endanger the prosecution of Mr. Cole.
But here's what we do know.
We know that Brian Cole voted for Donald Trump twice.
I'm going to pause it there.
Though, you know, let me just go five more seconds.
Inspired and inflated by Donald Trump's big lie.
This is why I got to put on pause because this is what really irked me.
I don't believe that Brian, I don't believe the Patsy story.
I mean, I don't believe the story about the Patsy.
Whether or not he was involved, I believe he was handled.
And if he was involved, maybe he wasn't involved at all.
That most of Patsy.
And this arrest by Patel's FBI, by Bondi's DOJ, ratifies the idea that he was radicalized by Trump.
So this is why Raskin or Ratskin, as I call him, loves it because it gets to continue the lie that they promoted.
That the Jan 6 insurrection was inspired by Trump.
And it's like DOJ, Pam Bondi, Cash Mattel, don't even understand.
By doing what they're doing, and I believe it's a sabotage by whatever lingering elements are within that FBI that they didn't purge, because there's a lot of them.
They're now basically continuing to promote the idea that there was something of an insurrection and people were radicalized by Trump's lawful speech.
Exactly right.
They are carrying on the false narrative that Trump supporters plotted to attack the Capitol, whether with pipe bombs or with guns or in person, whatever they're all the different theories.
They're helping to perpetuate that.
And here's the problem is every Republican on that panel yesterday, including Clay Higgins, I think, Clay Higgins, he was the most adamant about the FED surrection.
I gotta give him props for that.
But he also believed that Brian Cole is the pipe bomber and his excuse for it is well, it's because he was black.
They decided not to prosecute him because the narrative of a white supremacist, that's why they sat on it.
That's so.
Why did Patel continue to sit on it?
It's not because no.
And then they go after Enrique Tario of Cuban descent like, exactly right yeah, and there were other black.
There was a black oath keeper put on trial too.
He was found not guilty, by the way, but that's only because he was apolitical and I think because he was black it was actually better for him in being on trial in Dc um, but he was innocent too, anyway.
Point is, is that yes, they're carrying on the false narrative?
Yeah, and here's the bigger point, by not going after and exposing the fact that the CIA, FBI and Capitol Police were involved in a false flag operation and were caught red-handed by both Steve Steve Uh Baker and Kyle Serafin.
Not exposing that run down that, those threads and tracking it all down would, would destroy the deep state.
It would expose the whole lie of J6, the whole lie of the FED Surrection.
Not doing that is what's doing a great disservice to this country.
But while they're at it, they are framing an innocent man again and and I find it inexcusable no it's, it's um, I it's, and I know what it feels like.
You know, I know what it feels like to be innocent and being railroaded.
Like I said, it's like here you got a congressional hearing that is tainting the jury pool.
Of course that's the purpose.
No, you've got, you've got the highest up of high ups affirming guilt effectively.
Like I don't want to say that he's guilty, but he was radicalized by Trump.
I mean, we want to thank and give props he.
First thing he said is, I want to commend the UH FBI for finding the pipe bomber.
That's what he said.
It's unbelievable.
I'm gonna get to two of these.
Some of these are jokes, so bear with them.
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Dominant one gas station, sushi 26, says, mr Rose, mr Fry, is Rayeps a fed.
What happened to the scout?
So I know your answer to this.
I'm going to take this over.
Yeah absolutely, I think.
I mean.
Here's what happened with that.
So, despite him being on video, he was a just so everyone knows.
He was an Ex-Oathkeeper leader in Arizona that actually was a chapter president.
Back in 2010, resigned and said he just couldn't keep doing it with his family business doing uh event, you know, event promotions.
So he left, never heard from again until I saw him on video after j6 night of the fifth.
He's on video doing what I was accused of doing.
He's actually doing it encouraging people to go into the inside the capitol.
The next day.
He's on video the next day.
He's on video encouraging people to go to the capital.
Then he's on video whispering in Ryan Samsul's ear before he pushes over the first bike rack right.
None of that was shown by the J6 select committee.
They cut Rayeps out entirely, never showed him, only showed Ryan Samsul.
They cut Ray Ups whispering in his ear.
They just showed Ryan Samsel, never mentioned him.
That's the first thing you would think if they had an Ex-Oathkeeper leader who was on video with a smoking Smoking gun.
Video doing what we were accused of.
Who was on the FBI's most wanted poster until they were.
You would think he'd be sitting next to me at trial, right?
But no, he's not shown or even mentioned by the J6 Select Committee.
That's your first tell.
Second, we were not allowed to show the video to the jury or even mention his name.
We're not allowed to call as a witness or even mention his name to the jury.
He's completely erased from the history of JS6 from the government's perspective.
Only after the fact, months, months later, after we were convicted, do they finally prosecute him for a misdemeanor as a way to deflect the public attention?
That's the evidence that he was.
You say the feds get preferential treatment.
His preferential treatment was never getting prosecuted.
And even when he did, a misdemeanor probation slap on the wrist for what other people were putting in jail for a decade.
You wouldn't think he'd be sitting next to me.
They would love to have video of an oathkeeper because they have no smoking gun of any of us saying anything like that.
He would have been sitting next to me, except that he must be a fed.
There's no other explanation.
Let me bring this one up here.
That is the answer on the Fed question.
What do we got here?
Trump is not draining the swamp.
Trump is trying to twist the deep state to be more to his side.
Lying biomission is still lying.
There is no transparency.
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I didn't hear about this.
There's an opinion on the JSIC's grandma who refused pardon and turned on President Trump and MAGA.
Who's he talking about?
Do you know this?
I don't know.
I can't remember her name.
But yeah, they found one J6er who did that.
Who knows why?
But they, of course, they use that.
Now, here's the other problem.
There were some people at their sentencing advised by their attorneys to blame President Trump and throw him under the bus and say that he lied.
And that's where that probably started.
So I wanted to make it clear that my sentencing, I did the exact opposite.
Look at the judge right in the eye and said, I'm a political prisoner like President Trump.
My only crime is opposing those who are destroying our country.
I refuse to give an inch.
And my codependents were also, they've also stood strong.
We're going to take this over to viva barnslaw.locals.com before while we have the whole crowd here, where can people find you?
What can they do to support what you're doing right now?
So I was suspended on X when I first got out of prison and started X account on my own personal name.
I don't know why that happened.
But now, so far, we have at RealOath Keepers is still alive on X.
So at RealOath Keepers on X. I'm doing a thread right now about yesterday's hearing.
They can find me there.
I can also go to oathkeepers.info.
It's our new website.
I got to get a good webmaster to help me.
I'm not a web guy.
So oathkeepers.info.
Let me just show your handle so that I can make sure it's the right one.
This way I was, it's this.
So it's brand new.
At Oathkeepers.
That's right.
At RealOathkeepers.
Yeah.
Everybody.
I just do because it had so few.
I wasn't sure if it was a fresh account or a parody account or a fresh account.
Yeah.
All right.
Excellent.
And all right.
Amazing.
We're doing a Q ⁇ A. There's no payroll.
So come on over to Viva Barnes.
I got a few questions.
Oh, I got to give Sengo out too.
If you want to support what we're doing, and I'm going full bore again, you can go to gibsendgo.com forward slash oath.
I was advised by my lawyers to chill out until I got a pardon, but I haven't got a pardon yet.
I can't wait any longer.
I got to speak out.
So I'm just throwing all caution to the wind.
And that link is in the description.
Good.
That's in the description of everything here.
We're going to go raid redacted.
Everyone come over to viva barnslaw.locals.com and we're going to have this after party there.
Raid redacted, bada bing, bada boom.
Go.
Let them know from whence you came.
Say hello.
Let's see.
Did we get the viva raid here?
Hold on.
There we go.
We got the raid.
Viva in the house.
All right.
Now, Ivan, I'm disabling every other external link except locals.
So Rumble, Rumble, it's tomorrow's Friday, so I'll be here.
And Stuart, you have a channel on Rumble?
To do a show, I have a channel there.
I haven't done anything with it though, but I'm going to build a show.
I'm going to start a podcast.
So, like I said, I was kind of waiting because my lawyers were like, Oh, you should wait, just wait for a pardon before you go do anything, you know, worried I'm not going to get a pardon.
I'm like, Look, guys, I got a responsibility to my country to speak out.
I can't sit silent any longer.
I just got to speak out.
So, all right.
So, we're taking this over to locals.
That is Viva Barnes Law at locals.com.
So, I'm just going to hit one link after another and get them out.
And don't take offense, but that's where this is going.
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