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Jan. 7, 2026 - Viva & Barnes
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Live with Blaze Journalist Steve Baker: Jan. 6 Pipe Bomber Exposé & the Ensuing SCANDAL! Viva Frei

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And with that said, by the way, let's get into the show.
You remember Steve Baker?
He had been on the show a while back.
Oh, no, he's been on.
Well, hold on.
Steve, when was the last time you were on the show?
Oh, God, it's had to be, well, a few months ago.
Okay, so we did a couple of things because the first time you came on was to talk about your January 6th persecution, how you fought the feds.
Anyways, I'm going to refresh my memory, but you are a journalist with the Blaze, independent right now, doing amazing work, doing, say, societal changing work.
And you recently had, say, a health scare, which we're going to get into in a bit.
But tell everybody who you are, where they can find you at the beginning.
And I'll remind myself to make you remind us at the end again.
But the overview.
Yeah.
Well, surprisingly, I'm still at the Blaze.
So, you know, with all we've been through in the last few months, we survive and we continue forward and we continue doing the work.
And that is a testimony to leadership.
It's a testimony to the team that I've been working with.
And it's a testimony to the fact that most of the public gets it.
Now, I did say that you and I talk offline.
And I said I was going to start with the joke to say that I'm going to probably ask a few too many questions.
And I know that you are not at liberty to talk about everything.
To my own detriment, my goal is not to get the sound clips that go viral.
I'm not trying to ruin anybody's life and I'm not trying to get anybody into any more trouble than they might.
But all that to say is some things might we might not be able to delve into.
I might ask one question too many, so tell me, tell me no mas when I go there.
But Steve, so you I guess we'll get to the we'll get to the health issues at the end because I think that might be the culmination of this.
You've been covering the pipe bomb story in detail.
You had that explosive expose, which you don't need to say anything here.
You can nod or blink twice if you want.
You put out an expose, which caused a stir in the environment.
It seemed to have prompted the DOJ to find the actual January 6th pipe bomber.
And there was one other element to that.
The Blaze, as a result of the arrest of the alleged actual pipe bomber, put out a retraction, which some people said was a half-assed retraction.
Others said it wasn't a retraction at all.
And others said it was a CYA, whatever.
Everybody knows that.
What I want to talk about is to the extent that before you had the health issue and subsequent to that expose that rattled the earth, you started looking into the suspected pipe bomber, Brian Cole Jr.
And you had been doing some amazing legwork.
Before we even get into the updates of the day, can you explain what you had done and what you had discovered in respect of Brian Cole Jr., family, neighbors, and the plausibility of him being the actual pipe bomber, the person who laid the pipe bombs on the ground?
Yeah, well, most of our work right now is centered on the Brian Cole Jr. story and the implausibilities that are legion related to the accusations or that he is the alleged bomber.
And there are, oh, gosh, if we started going down the list right now, I would give away our next story in total because we do have a very, very highly expository, but highly, what's the word I'm looking for, exhaustive reminder for everyone of how we got to where we are today, particularly as it relates to all of the inconsistencies from the FBI,
from the Capitol Police, from other agencies that were on the ground that day on January 6th, their responses, their reactions, all the things that followed, the stories of deleted videos, the stories of deleted and corrupted telephone cell phone tower files, the stories of DNC videos that were overwritten.
Gosh, where do we even stop here?
Because you can keep going down that path of all the reasons why they were never able to solve this for five years.
And then suddenly, boom, pop.
Let's actually, before we get there, let's refresh some memories on the salient timeline of the issue in terms of how it merges into the pipe bomber.
When I had on Julie Kelly, and even she did not believe the official narrative of the timeline, which was that the pipe bombs were allegedly placed the night before at like, what, seven, I'm going to get some of you within an hour wrong, but like 7.15 to 7.45 or 8.15 to 8.45.
The individuals walking around planting these pipe bombs.
They were discovered the next day.
One of the things that I've always asked the question rhetorically, nobody will have a good answer because there is no good answer.
And I want to highlight the suspiciousness of it.
How did Capitol Police know that there were only two pipe bombs?
And what was the timeframe in which they found those two pipe bombs?
Well, the two pipe bombs were found about 25 minutes apart.
The first one was found exactly, oh gosh, it was around 1235, something like that.
It was a few minutes before the first barricade breach on the west side of the Capitol.
And then that was reported to the RNC security.
It was reported into the Capitol Police.
It was then called in.
And then, of course, an emergency was sent out over the report sent out over Capitol Police Radio, which we've had access to and listened to for probably had access to those radio comms for a little over three years now.
And then at exactly 1.05, so five minutes after the gavel came down in the Capitol for the certification of the Electoral College vote, then the second was found.
Now, it was a long, long, long time before it was revealed who found that bomb at the DNC.
And in fact, it was yours truly who was the first person to publicly publish that it was a plainclothes Capitol Police counter surveillance officer who discovered that bomb, reported it to the Secret Service, who were there parked out in front of the entrance to the parking garage going into the Democratic National Committee headquarters, where, of course, then Vice President-elect Kamala Harris was in there doing something.
Okay.
And he found it based on, was it based on a tip?
Because there's that woman who was doing her laundry that found, I think, only the second one, correct?
She found the first one.
The RNC, the RNC bomb was the second one placed by, allegedly, by the hoodied bomber the night before.
And the DNC was the first one placed, but they were found in reverse order.
The RNC was the first.
All right.
And then so the plain clothes capital police officer finds it.
We saw the video of the, oh, geez, BD from Revolver covered it extensively at the time, the lack of response or the lack of any urgency, sense of urgency, suspicious on its face.
And then the question is, is there a good answer?
How did they know that there were only two and only two pipe bombs placed?
Well, they didn't, unless they did.
You know, it's like the answer.
I love the answer that Steve Friend gives about the pipe bombs.
You know, is they were only bombs if they were bombs.
And there's a lot of question about whether they really were or not.
And we can get into that at some point here in this conversation.
But the bottom line is, is that there's no way that they could have known that there were only two and not 15 and not 30 planted all over the Capitol Hill area, except that we know that they stopped after the discovery of the second one.
Now, just in the last couple of days, I've seen people on, you know, on X that think that they know everything.
Actually, they haven't gone out and done the legwork and actually done the things that we've done over the last five years, but that believe that those counter surveillance officers continued to look.
We have no proof that they continued to look for more bombs.
No, they didn't.
By their own testimony, they have been interviewed twice now by congressional investigators and once by Congressman Thomas Massey.
They have been seen extensively on video before and after.
One of our most recent exposés showing that these counter surveillance officers, after parking at the Metro Station parking lot, made a beeline straight to the Congressional Black Caucus Institute, where they looked under the bush where the hoodied bomber sat for 77 seconds the night before.
And after they did a lookie-loo under the bush, then they headed in two and a half minutes later at 1.05 p.m. found the DNC bomb.
And then, Viva, they stopped looking.
And that was the mistake, or say the mistake, that was the detail that I was not totally clear on when I was talking with Julie is they went to the bench and there's no good reason for which they went to the bench because there was nothing there other than the fact that coincide that or match it up with the video surveillance, that is where the pipe bomber sat for a minute and a half the night before.
In that video, did the pipe bomber put anything under the bench and pick it back up?
Or did the person just sit there for a bit and then leave?
Actually sat there twice.
One of the things that the pipe bomber did, and this will be discussed in detail in our next piece, is that the pipe bomber, the actual hoodied bomber, did almost like a recon at both drop sites.
Now, there were a couple of other optional sites, one of them being the CBC iBush, and then there was another one.
It was like a congressional apartment housing thing over near the RNC, where we believe was another one of the quote-unquote secondary options for dropping the bomb.
It's very obvious that there were to us anyway in our review of the video is that there were four potential drop sites.
Two were chosen.
And the two that were chosen were both surveilled and kind of reconned by the bomber in advance.
So at the DNC, the bomber went and sat on the bench the first time and then got up and left and then went over to the CBCI bush and sat at the bush, then came back to the DNC bench, sat down, reached into the backpack, and then placed it.
Now, there's a very, very curious and interesting thing, considering the recent alleged confession by Brian Cole Jr., is that he told the FBI and the FBI reported that he then set the timer on the pipe bombs when he placed them,
except that we see him on video, or we see the hoodied bomber rather on video reaching into the backpack, pulling it out with one hand, placing it, and never use two hands to set the timer.
Because the argument would be that you have to use two hands.
It was one of those alleged Walmart timers.
And I'm going to hopefully not forget to ask the question as to whether or not it was any generic one that he purchased or the one that was on the bomb, but you would have had to hold the bomb, the pipe, and twist the timer to get 60 minutes out of it, which would not have done anything given that it was planted the night before.
In addition to that, more than likely would have had to actually attach the alligator clips as well, which were basically arming the device.
Okay.
So they go to the bench because nobody knows why they went to the bench.
The argument is that that might have been one of the suspected places that they had this coordinated plan to put it at.
Others might say, Steve, if we want to steel man it, that by the time they got there the next day, they knew that there were only two pipe bombs.
They knew roughly where they were because they had somehow scrubbed all of the surveillance video and that they saw that the pipe bomber stopped there for a minute and a half.
So they naturally suspected it might have been one of the locations.
They go there.
It's not there.
They go to the next one.
Bada bing, bada boom, case closed.
Right.
How is that?
How is that patently?
I mean, it's a loaded question.
Is that a patently absurd assertion to make?
It's absurd for many reasons.
Number one, the first thing is, is that the number of cameras that they would have had to look at.
First of all, they would have had to have suspicion of even looking in the first place, which they didn't have.
They didn't have suspicion of additional bombs until after the one at the RNC was found, which meant they would have had to scrub through hundreds of cameras.
When I have been in the Capitol CC TV viewing room, which I've spent more time in there than probably any other journalist, of which I'm aware, reviewing Capital CC TV from January 6th and 5th, is that we had access then to about 1,800 cameras.
There's been some more cameras that have been added since then.
So this is 1,800 cameras, you know, 24 hours worth of viewing, et cetera, et cetera.
And then for them to suddenly discover, now remember that when they discovered this particular device at the RNC, there were already people gathering and in the control room with a limited number of these camera and video operators.
They were already zooming in and zooming out and panning, watching what the crowd was doing.
They didn't have another team of analysts now to go and do an emergency review of 1,800 cameras to see if they could find any other bombs.
And I guess, I mean, I asked the question is I ask it loadedly.
There would have been no way.
No, the argument would be: okay, there's 1,800 cameras, but they only really need five because they know they've already spotted the hoodie guy, so they know where to focus their attention.
I guess the one argument would be in the radio chatter between the cops.
That's where I presume if they specifically trying to think this out out loud, if they were walking through where they had seen it in surveillance footage, you might have heard some of that chatter in the back and forth over the walkie-talkies.
There would have been absolutely some chatter over the Capitol Police radio.
There were three main channels that they used, and then they have some private channels that they can go have a particular certain operation they can switch to, which we have not heard.
But the primary channels where they gave the alert about these suspicious devices being found was given out over the two primary channels that were active that day.
And then, of course, by the time the second one was found, the quote-unquote riot had begun.
Okay, so the suspiciousness of the bombs, that they knew that there were two and only two.
They knew roughly where to go.
They went to the three locations within 25 minutes.
The middle location had no bomb, but it was where they had potentially no reason to know, except they knew that the pipe bomber had sat on that bench for 77 seconds.
But let me interrupt you there, going back to your steel man argument.
If you were, in fact, alerted by camera operators from the command center at the Capitol Police, the first thing you would have done was go directly to that bush and then actively, both counter surveillance members or team members would have looked under that and been really exhaustively covering because it's not the only bush in the area.
There were other bushes.
There's a fence line with all kinds of hedges right next to it.
And they would have exhaustively looked at it.
But what they did is they first walked up on the sidewalk and kind of went, you know, they kind of paced back and forth for about a full minute.
Then they walked around the block.
They passed, walked past the DNC bomb, walked past it without stopping, without looking, walked right past it, and then went back around the entire DNC building from the other direction and then walked to the bush again.
Then they walked past the bush, stood there for about 30 seconds, obviously discussing what are we doing?
What are, you know, okay, and then they finally walked over to the bush and one of the two counter surveillance officers, which by the way, we've identified them.
We know they're name now, but we're withholding that for now.
And they haven't been, they haven't been interrogated or they haven't been deposed.
They have been questioned, but not under oath.
Okay.
And by whom?
They, as I mentioned earlier, Congressman Massey, he actually questioned one of them.
But at the time, the assistant chief, Ashan Benedict, was his handler, and Ashan was there.
They were only able and only granted the interview request under the terms that it would not be a transcripted interview and that it would not be under oath.
And then the assistant chief of police for the Capitol Police, Ashan Benedict, who had just come over to the Capitol Police from ATF, nonetheless, was actually his handler and was, you know, that's who the counter surveillance officer would look to every time he'd get a question that he was uncomfortable with.
Okay.
Okay, so now they come, they pick them up.
There's no lockdown.
They pick up the pipelines.
We don't actually hear much of it for a very, very long period of time.
At the time, it's like, I feel like we're taking crazy pills.
At the time, were we not told that the devices were not active or they were not potentially lethal or they were not explosive?
Well, the FBI, I mean, their public narrative was, in fact, that they were dangerous devices and that they could have caused mayhem, harm, death, injury, and that, in fact, that they were viable.
But what they told their own special operations group, which is a, again, a surveillance operations group that goes out and does high-level for the big, you know, like big cases.
And this was obviously a big case.
And they sent their SOG team out to surveil a couple of the persons of interest out of Falls Church, Virginia.
And when they did that, the counter surveillance team or the SOG group specifically needed to know whether these were viable devices or not, because that affects their posture of how they're going to set up the counter surveillance.
In other words, are these dangerous ombres or not?
And they were specifically told by their supervisory handlers that, in fact, they were not viable devices.
Okay, that was at the time.
That was five years ago.
And five years later, we were told by Bondi and Patel that they were very active.
They could have gone off and killed or injured hundreds.
I guess the question is going to be: if we're going to fast forward, we might bounce back a little bit.
They allegedly discovered Brian Cole Jr. as the pipe bomber based on, we were told at the time, no new tips, no new additional information, just revisiting existing information.
What's your understanding of what the FBI, I mean, we know to some extent, but what did they look over?
What was the new old information that they suddenly reprocessed to discover that it was this kid?
I'll answer the question with a sound bite for you first.
Please.
And that is an existing supervisory special agent told me that once they decided to move forward, that they went to their Pat C file, quote unquote.
Okay.
I was going to say, who told you that?
I won't ask that question.
Someone involved in the investigation said we went to our Patsy file.
Not involved in the current iteration of the investigation, but five years ago, yes, involved.
Oh, okay, fine.
Make sure I understand.
Someone who was not involved this time around was involved in the original investigation.
Correct.
This time around, what involvement, if I well, I'll ask it, don't answer it.
They're not involved in the investigation this time around.
Correct.
Okay, so there is a new team that is tasked with finding the January 6th pipe bomber as of, let's just say, January 21st, 2025.
There was, well, this is a little bit of a controversial position.
Our narrative or contradictory is what I actually meant to say, a narrative coming from the likes of Kash Patel and Dan Vongino.
Because if you will recall that when they first were, you know, sworn into office and they, you know, they received the confirmations, they listed their top three priorities of their new FBI administration and goals.
And the first thing out of their mouth was the January 6th pipe bomber to find that.
And as such, they were on record as saying that we are putting together the cracked team right now.
But then again, then fast forward several months, and then they came back and said, okay, we have changed the team.
Now we put together a new team.
So we don't really know by saying they put together a new team if they were using the old guys from five years ago, reactivated them in terms of this cold, apparently cold case when they first took office, or whether they reconstituted that at the time and then re-reconstituted it here a couple of months ago.
We don't know.
Okay, and I want to understand the context or the I know what the implication means.
The individual who said that is no longer in the file, but within the FBI, I presume everybody basically, do I presume everybody knows what's going on or are there sufficiently siloed teams that someone, you know, your source might not actually have any meaningful insights as to what's going on in the investigation?
This particular case is overtly siloed.
It is at the highest restricted access to the FBI file.
You can't, I mean, if you go in there as a curious agent from anywhere in the country, whether you're in Omaha, Nebraska, or you're at the Washington Field Office and as a curious, you want to see what the updates is on this particular case, you will find that it's restricted, highly restricted access.
You will not be able to look it up.
Now, what will happen, though, is because you hit the keystrokes, they'll know that you looked for it and you'll probably get an email or a visit from your supervisory special agent.
So why were you looking into the pipe bomb thing?
Well, and I want to bring this up because it's interesting.
It says, so in other words, they were going to use this PATSI and set Cash and Dan up to use this guy from the file.
This is why, you know, there's multiple ways this can be played.
If your source is a good guy, or even if he's a bad guy, he might be divulging that this was potentially something to set up and humiliate the current Trump administration.
And they always had it on the back burner.
But one thing I can sort of surmise from this, this individual who told you, let's go to the, we were told, you know, they went to the Patsy file, they had already investigated Brian Cole Jr. from five years ago.
That's what it necessarily implies, right?
That's correct.
Okay.
And they had investigated him five years ago.
Do you know the content?
I'm going to ask a lot of questions.
I'm going to get in trouble.
Do you know the context under which the prior DOJ FBI decided to drop the investigation or decided that Brian Cole was not the guy?
No, we don't know why, but here's the curiosity is that we have from the congressional report that came out early last year.
This was Chairman Lautermilk's committee, the previous subcommittee that he was chairing, as well as in partnership with Thomas Massey, who was working for and on the Judiciary Committee at the time.
They issued their rather extensive report, which was a synopsis of basically all that they've learned about J6 and particularly related to the pipe bomb.
And one of the most curious aspects of this was the page where they released the number of actual telephone numbers.
I think it's either 183 or 186 total phone numbers were identified that pinged on the towers in that several block range between the RNC, DNC during that timeline.
So this was a very, very, very small number of phones that pinged at that time.
Now, you think, well, how can it be so small in the Capitol?
Well, it was COVID lockdown time.
There's not a lot of people on the street at 7.30, 8.30 at night.
And so it was a very relatively small number of cell phone pings, which would not have taken very long at all for those cell phones to be investigated.
And then we also learned on that same page from their report that only 50, that there were 51 of those numbers that were not investigated because they belonged to law enforcement.
That was the, I was just taking a note to make sure I asked you that question.
My understanding is all law enforcement.
This is Capitol Police.
I don't know who else would be included in law enforcement.
Certainly Metropolitan Police, DC Metro Police crossover, and they use the same streets that the Capitol Police use.
We're not talking FBI DOJ.
We're talking Capitol Police.
Park Police.
It could be.
And it could, and it very well could be because they do operate as that, you know, there are three-letter agencies that do have people that, you know, they have their roles to play.
Well, and it's DC and it would be, it would be expensive.
So bottom line, of the, let's just say 180, give or take, 50 some odd were law enforcement that were not investigated, period.
Okay.
And we don't know which law enforcement those 51 belong to, respectively.
We just know that 51 numbers, they said we didn't investigate them because they were law enforcement, presumptively innocent.
They couldn't possibly have had anything to do with this.
And so of the 180, we excluded 150.
Of the remaining 130, we investigated all of them.
And at the time, they had caught up Brian Cole Jr., who was one of them, and they looked into it and they dropped it.
That's the way it looks now because they did tell us that there was no new investigative information that they learned, that they basically, with this new team that was put together by Cash and Dan, that they were able to go back and review the old investigative files.
And that as a result of that, somebody went, Aha, we found our guy.
I don't know how we missed him five years ago, but we found our guy.
Okay.
I mean, it's quite, it's astonishing that there were 51 numbers not investigated.
And you don't even know, obviously, what those numbers were or who they belonged to or which law enforcement they belong to.
So you can't even overlap it with other known facts or other hypotheses.
Well, certainly the largest number of that 51 would have been Capitol Police because this was inside of their jurisdictional footprint.
Did anybody ask?
I mean, I don't know if Massey or Lautermilk asked why they did not investigate or follow up on any one of those 51 numbers or who they were numbers of.
Yeah, all we know is that that was the stated response from the FBI in the congressional investigation is that those 51 numbers were dismissed because they had been, these were numbers that were assigned to law enforcement personnel.
That's all we know.
And we don't know what the extent of the file or the investigation into Brian Cole was at the time, but we can surmise based on what they said that they had all these pings on his on his on his cell and that I we don't know whether or not they had already delved into his purchasing history.
So they get the pings.
They've narrowed it down to 130.
They go back and look and whether or not it could have been any one of the other 130.
They go into the purchase history, I presume, of every one of those 130 who are identified.
Well, let's go back to what they said when they arrested him.
They said that they did not have to go back and open up any, that apparently they had already built this information, that it was all in the file.
Now, that's not to say that they didn't go back in and review and validate, you know, cross-check or whatever.
But apparently the lion's share of this information that they had on Brian Cole Jr. had already been in the files.
And what the heck accounts for the fact that they announced that their three priorities, I remember, was cocaine in the White House.
I think it was Butler.
And I believe it was January 6th.
What was it?
Are those the top three that they identified?
The pipe bomb was number one.
Cocaine in the White House, I think, was number two.
The third one, when I reviewed it a couple of days ago, caught me off guard because I reviewed it because of the story we're putting together.
And now at this moment, I can't remember what it was.
When you remember, let me know.
It couldn't have been Epstein.
Okay, so I'm curious about this Patsy file.
So it means that they have this file.
They say either Patsy can have one of two meanings.
It could mean that the dude is simply innocent, but can be framed, or was a useful idiot.
And I maybe shouldn't use that term because he, you know, mental ability.
He's a useful tool that they could then later on use, like maybe like the basement dwellers in the Gretchen Whitmer fidnapping plot.
You don't know specifically which way this leans.
The problem that the intelligence community has with this story and what we've been working on is what it will, in fact, eventually reveal.
And that is some of their methods.
And their methods are.
And this has been going on for, this is not new.
This has been happening for maybe since maybe back to the early days of Joshua and the Jericho march.
It could go back that far because he had spies who were sent into the city even back then.
But one of the things that our intelligence community does, and not just our community, but they do it all over the world, is that when they go into foreign territories and unfortunately, even domestically, is that they groom disaffected young men primarily to either at some point activate them as weapons, tools, Patsys, whatever that they need them for and whatever is useful at the time.
And the most terrifying aspect of this story as it relates to January 6th is that as everyone has said, and by the way, I'm quoting Dan Bongino right now.
Dan Bongino said that when the truth about this is revealed, it will be the biggest scandal in U.S. history.
He said that.
He was still a radio jock at the time.
I mean, a podcast jock.
He was still doing that.
But that's what he said.
When the truth is revealed, it will be the biggest scandal in U.S. history.
Now, why would he place that at the top of the pinnacle, the Mount Everest of U.S. scandals?
It's because it's going to reveal for the first time how a multi-agency conspiracy can be pulled off.
Now, conspiracies don't typically work and conspiracy theories are easily dismantled because it takes too many people to keep a secret.
But you can silo need to know only aspects and jobs within a conspiracy.
So that's all you know is what your part was, what your role was.
And in this particular situation, we're looking at the Capitol Police as the actual tools that were used in this conspiracy.
And then apparently we're going to find out that a couple of other three-letter agencies were also involved.
And that's why they needed to go to the Patsy file.
Okay.
And now I was just googling or groking what Bongino had previously said just to get the words.
And it's not to hold him.
It's not to say here's the gotcha, haha.
It's that some people will say, okay, well, that's what he thought from the outside.
And then when he got on the inside, he saw the evidence.
The thing is, at the time, he had his people on the inside and referred to it as an inside job is set up involving Capitol Police, paraphrasing only for the sake of brevity.
And the question is going to be, you know, this kid being a Patsy totally innocent or was he one of the disaffected youth that agencies might have been interacting with to play a role in it, you know, such as purchase the parts, but it would have been two years earlier.
I mean, that's, that's, and, you know, maybe deliver them.
I guess the evidence that they say they have, and we've gone through it at length, but, you know, the pings of the towers, which some of them are reaching the outer limits of the pings.
So it puts him in the area at the time.
His vehicle is allegedly in the area at the time, but I do remember seeing it was either Armistas or someone on the internet suggesting that it wasn't his 2017 Nissan, whatever it was.
What's your understanding of whether or not it was actually his vehicle that was in the vicinity at the time based on the plate reader?
Yeah, let's talk about the vehicle first and then let's go back to the purchases, the purchase history.
Let's go back and revisit that.
In terms of the actual vehicle itself, it would be absolutely inappropriate for us to say with absolute certainty, 100%, that that automobile that we see at 803.25, whatever it was, on camera and that literally driving straight into the cell phone tower where it pinged a minute or so before that.
And then we see it turning onto Interstate 395 and departing the area.
Can we say with absolute certainty that that was Brian Cole's car?
No, we can't because of the nature of the lighting and the camera angles.
We can't see who's driving it.
But with all of the Capitol Police cameras that we had access to within that multi-block area, we only found two 2017 Nissan automobiles of that type that were the same color.
And one of them we could see inside the car and it was two white people in the car.
All right.
So we could eliminate that one.
The other one we've not been able to totally eliminate because we can't see who's in the car because of the camera angle where we captured it.
But then additionally, one thing that we are able to do is that I think if I remember correctly, there was either 13 or 17 different wheel options from that model car in 2017.
It's actual, you know, the wheels of 17 different options.
And this particular car is identical in every trim aspect.
So you know how cars come in different trim packages.
So not only is the car that we see on video an identical trim package, but also the identical wheels as the car that is currently still parked out in front of Brian Cole's house.
Hold on.
So let me make sure I understand this.
You said there was two images.
One, you could tell there were two white people driving the car.
And was that the same trim and the same, because I would imagine this, if there's only 150 people pinging in the area, the chances that there are two Nissan Centra 2017 blue cars are virtually nil.
Yeah, I mean, look, again, again, when it's a great point you made, when you go back to the fact that we only have just barely over 180 cell phones pinging in this area at the time, and then you have exhaustive work on every one Of these CCTV cameras, street cameras, examining, looking for.
Now, there were other cars that because of the blur, because of the speed, because it's at night, because of the flashing, you know, the traffic lights and things of that nature, it makes it very difficult to tell what color these cars are.
Is that a center?
It kind of looks like it.
You don't really know, but we were able to identify only two.
One of which was driven by two white people.
Correct.
Okay.
That's interesting because if you're talking Patsy, I would have less of a difficult time believing that someone else might have been driving his car than of the few cars on the road that day of the 150 people pinging in the area that you magically happened to have two Nissan Centra 2017 blue cars that were totally unrelated.
Okay.
Do we, okay, so now we know that he was in the area because of his cell phone, but we, the argument might be that we don't know that he was holding his cell phone at the time, but we do have his license plate being read on one of the vehicles in the area, on the vehicle identified.
That's what the FBI says.
We don't know that, you know, unfortunately, it doesn't matter how much work I've done.
It doesn't matter how much work Mike Benz has done, how much work Darren Beattie, Julie Kelly, anybody else.
It doesn't matter how much work other people have done.
We don't have the resources and the tools that FBI has access to.
We don't have subpoena power.
And they certainly are going to be able to call up the Metropolitan Police and get their cameras, which we can't do.
And we can FOIA all day long, but I can tell you right now, there's two entities that do not respond to FOIA.
And one of those is the Capitol Police because they're A, not subjected to FOIA.
They're exempt from FOIA.
And the MPD just tells you to.
I'm trying to make sure I'm piecing this together every time.
So there were two of the same vehicles in the area caught on cameras, and one of them had two white people driving it.
And they were the same car, same model, same make, same trim.
The trim, the trim may not have been the same on the one with two white people in it simply because of the blurring and the drive.
I've done side-by-sides on the wheels on both of those, and I can neither conclusively match them or say they're not.
Or distinguish them.
Okay, fine.
So they are not definitively distinguishable, which would have been one heck of a coincidence on its own.
But you can definitively say there was a car, same car, same color, same time, same area, but it had two white people in it.
Okay.
Now I guess we get to go back to the purchase history of the items that were used to make the alleged pipe bombs as alleged in the affidavits.
I'm not going crazy on this, Steve, right?
In the initial affidavit, they've since secured their two-charge indictment, which I have on the backdrop here, you know, to justify pretrial detention.
In the original affidavit, I remarked that there was nothing alleging the date of purchase of the components used to make the black powder, sulfur, potassium nitrate, whatever.
And then in the brief in support of the pretrial detention, magically the sulfur was alleged to have been purchased in 2018, January 14, 2018.
What are your observations on the date of purchases of the respective items listed?
Okay, well, the date of purchases negates the idea that has been postulated is that he was upset with the election results or that somehow they changed that to he doesn't like either party, which is why he dropped one bomb at the RNC and the other bomb at the DNC.
And he was just trying to make a statement, political statement of some sort.
And then he hoped that they would go off at night because that way it was less likely that anybody would be hurt, killed, injured, that sort of thing.
All these things that the government are saying right now.
The problem with the purchases themselves are, well, let's start with this.
In the detention hearing itself, the lead attorney said to the court in response to what the government was talking about, we actually have answers for all that, but we're not going to do that today because this is a detention here.
He's not on trial today.
So we're not going to play that card today.
But they indicated that they had answers for that.
Well, let me give you one possible answer.
This particular sulfur product that he purchased back in 2018, whatever, is a garden product used to inhibit or heal mold by certain flowers, even certain trees.
It's actually a particular mold that is a malady of crepe myrtles.
And there's two crepe myrtles we can see from camera in their front yard.
But more importantly, our own research has told us that all of the other ingredients mixed with that particular sulfur product makes it inert.
Yeah, well, that was, so it was sulfur dust miticide by Lily.
Lily Miller was what was identified in the motion.
It's 90% sulfur, 10% whatever, because it's a miticide.
And some people were saying, well, why would he be getting gardening stuff in January?
Others are saying, yeah, you use it on indoor plants.
That was purchased in 2018.
Whether or not it could make an effective pipe bomb, let's even set that aside.
That was purchased a year before he even started allegedly purchasing the caps and the pipes.
And that was a year and a half to two years before the planting of the bombs.
I could understand someone saying he got radicalized and then he went to whatever he had in the closet.
We don't have any information on search results or YouTube videos and things of that nature.
Not as reported by the FBI.
The only thing that we know from the FBI so far is that he was, you know, of course, it wasn't even released by them, but we know that he was, you know, my little pony guy.
And so, you know, in terms of his internet history, there was some, there was, I think there was a maybe some couple of sex sites or something like that that he had visited, maybe even had a couple of accounts.
And this was reported early on.
But they, but, you know, I don't anticipate that the government's going to show all of their cards yet either.
So we don't know.
No, for sure.
And there were some hypothesizing that the easiest way to get a kid to confess to planting a bomb is to have him on other more serious charges, which might involve sex in the internet.
But here's the thing is for a kid of his mental, I don't know what the best way to describe this and be, you know, because the last thing I want to do is offend a family in this process.
But to the extent that he has limitations, he may just consider going to any porn site as being, you know, the worst thing in the world, depending upon how he was raised.
Maybe he was raised in a Christian family and they go to church every Sunday.
And so just the visiting of a porn site would, you know, make him so embarrassed that he goes out and he, you know, he wipes his phone clean to back to factory settings 934 times.
With OCD, I mean, I can understand him doing that.
Well, this is actually just the perfect segue into his mental capabilities because I'm fighting with people on the internet.
You know, he's alleged, reported to be autistic on a certain scale.
It's alleged in the defense motion.
They say he's a 30-year-old, autistic, I think, level one, living at home at the age of 30.
Not that I judge him.
I lived at home with my wife and first kid for a little while.
You went on the road because as it relates to comparing him to the video of the pipe bomber, the manner in which he, you know, one walks is a relevant factor.
Actually, a question way back earlier was that the old FBI never released any high resolution or even meaningful video.
Was always broken down to one frame per second, which made it very difficult to establish how an individual walked.
Did you ever get any meaningful explanation for why the FBI did that?
No, I've never gotten an explanation for that.
I mean, we can surmise, as you've already pointed out, is that there's something that they want to obscure.
You know, Mike Benz did a lot of work on this.
In fact, I don't think I'm giving anything away now that Mike has gone back and talked about this since Cole was arrested.
Is that he did a lot of that original work for Revolver News for Darren Beattie?
And he didn't even put that under his own byline at the time, but he was doing the background research on that.
So I don't think I'm giving anything away there because since he's come out with it, because it was published on Revolver.
And then he showed not only how they blurred or obscured the glasses, the eyeballs, and then he dwelt quite heavily on the frames per second, the aspect ratio changes, things of that nature.
Now, our video expert, Armitas, who, by the way, was also consulting the FBI for many months, people don't know that.
The FBI was leaning upon him for much of the research they were doing on the pipeline.
Which FBI?
New or old?
Old.
Well, all the way up until this past year.
So new and old.
I did not know this.
So the new and old were consulting with Armistas.
That's correct.
Well, now I'm going to pull up his Twitter handle in a second.
Oh, this adds a whole new level, which is a good idea.
Let me, I want to, I want to, I want to rephrase that, not rephrase that, but I want to make sure that I have my memory correct.
It may not have been until this administration, but it was the holdovers from the old investigators that were still doing that.
It may not have been until as early as March of this year that they started.
And it's not to be demeaning or anything to internet sleuthing.
So this individual is a little bit more than just an X account postulating on the file.
Much more.
Well, it's well achieved.
Well it's Steve.
I didn't know that until okay.
Okay.
So frame rate never explained no good no good reason either as far as anybody can tell.
So what so what Armitas has explained to me and my team, Joe Hanneman, myself, and others working on this, is that one of the other aspects that something that he found that, you know, forensically curious about this alteration of the DNC videos particularly is that he believes that he has identified where actual frames were moved around.
They actually moved frames and put them in different locations.
And he happens to have an expertise in that area, and that's all I'm going to say about that.
But the point being is that he's really good at what he does.
And he is brilliant enough that the FBI themselves started leaning on him for his expertise.
Okay, it's fascinating.
Now, without going to where it went in the expose, let's go to where it doesn't go is that Brian Cole is arrested.
He's a 30-year-old kid, allegedly autistic, living with his parents.
You hit the ground and you went to the neighborhood, the neighbors, the 7-Eleven.
And I don't want to put words in your mouth, but virtually everybody said this kid is borderline dysfunctional, and it's not him in the video.
Like, flat out.
And let's not put it all on me and my alleged stories or interactions with the neighbor.
I mean, we're talking about extensively.
Other publications, New York Post and others, also had people on the ground interviewing neighbors, doing knock and talks, going door to door.
And that was universally.
There's not one single neighbor who has been reported on yet who has said, Yeah, I was always suspicious of that kid.
I was always worried about that kid.
No, they all said the same thing.
No effing way.
You haven't seen him in person.
No, have not seen him.
So you no effing way on the, what's the word now?
The gate.
You, and I'm not, I'm not trying to give you all the credit.
I just certainly don't want to deny it and give you the credit for what you've done.
You went to the 7-Eleven where this kid allegedly went, what, daily?
Yeah, daily for 13 years.
This was this.
So I actually went into the 7-Eleven specifically to inquire as to whether or not they had close-circuit television of him entering the store.
Unfortunately, they told me immediately that their system overwrites itself every three days.
So by the time I got to the neighborhood, a couple of weeks after he was arrested, that footage would have already been overwritten.
And then I, and the store was, when I walked in mid-afternoon, the store was empty.
And so the gentleman behind the counter, I said, are you the manager?
He goes, yeah.
He goes, actually, he said, this is my store.
He owns the store.
I guess you can, you know, 7-Elevens are franchises.
So anyway, he said, yeah, this is my store.
And so I got into a long conversation with him about that.
I said, let me ask you about this, you know, this kid that was, you know, a few blocks away from here that was arrested.
And he just immediately, effusively, started describing his interactions with this kid for 13 years.
And not only was he adamant that there was no way by not only behavior, but he said, when I saw who they arrested, he said, obviously I recognized him right away, but I've also seen that endless loop of videos of the hoodied bomber.
And I went, not a chance.
This kid does not walk like that.
And he doesn't have the confidence of the stride of the hoodied bomber.
And he said that this is exactly.
And by the way, he went on the record.
I think I actually have his card right here.
Yeah.
And anyway, he handed me his card, told me to call him anytime.
He decided to go on the record with us with Blaze.
And he told us very specifically that for 13 years, the kid comes in there every day.
He buys typically two bottles of Coke and a couple of slices of pizza.
And he says, on the days where I don't have fresh pizza, not that 7-Eleven pizza is, I don't know, but anyway, he said, on the days that I didn't have pizza, he said, I would always offer to make him a new pizza, and he always declined and would get chicken wings instead.
And he said, that was the only variation in his routine is if I didn't, he would never wait because he doesn't like interacting with people.
So it's in and out.
Always, he said he always had his headphones on and that he comes in and he said, and in 13 years, he said, Brian Cole may have said three words to me in 13 years.
I'm just trying to figure out how the Patsy file works and how he fits into the Patsy file and if he was actually in the area either delivering something or if someone borrowed his car and therefore his car was in the area.
Yeah.
So, and in terms of cognitive capacity of the kid, I've heard the family describe him as basically having the cognitive capabilities of a 15-year-old.
Grandmother says he's borderline nonverbal.
What has been your understanding or the description of his cognitive capacity from those who know him best?
Yeah, we FOIAed the entire, I think it's 48 minutes of that traffic accident that he was involved in.
He hit somebody from behind.
And we got the entire 48 minutes.
So we got a lot more than the two-minute news story that was making the rounds with the lower third, you know, the crayons covering up all that.
So we were able to do a little bit more gait analysis on it, as well as what I think is one of the most significant things.
And I'm not going to, I'm not going to take Armitas' thunder here, but Armitas, upon viewing this, said, and I'm quoting him exactly, he said, Brian Cole's entire body is an alibi.
That's what, and there's a reason for that.
First of all, in every single one of the times that the video, the body cam from the cop there comes up on Brian Cole, he's got his phone right here.
Well, the one time that we see the hooded bomber go to the bench at the DNC and sit down, it's at the waist.
The phone is at the, is in the lap.
It's this far away versus this far away in terms of eyesight.
And this is despite the Coke bottle glasses that he wears.
I don't know what his prescription is, but it's obviously severe.
And yet with that severe subscription or prescription, rather, he requires the phone to be right here in order for him to see it.
And so, and that's before you get into walking, measuring shoe sizes.
I mean, if I shared my screen with you right now, which I'm not going to do, I can show you the hours that we have spent out measuring.
We've gone out to the, I've stood on the exact spot where that traffic accident took place, and I've measured the concrete panels in the sidewalk.
I have measured the curb.
I have measured the gutter size.
We've measured all that so that we can compare that to the shoes that he's wearing at the time.
I've gone to the alleyway behind the RNC and measured the brick widths there because we were able to get some really good freeze frames of the hoodied bomber's shoes stepping on those bricks.
So I've got my measuring tape out there.
I'm measuring them.
Then I put my foot down there.
I measure my foot beside them.
And then I've done the same thing at the DNC.
I've gone to the DNC where we were able to capture good footage of exact distances of the foot when it wasn't blurred out, because it goes from blur to blur, blur to clear to blur to clear.
And where we got clear shots, I've gone out there and measured those things.
And as I said, we've tried to do as much as we can do forensically without having the tools and resources that an $11 billion a year agency like the FBI has or subpoena power.
And what his parents or grandparents, I don't know, I don't want to ask who you spoke with, but what did they describe by way of his cognitive capacity?
Actually, we've had two different members of our team who have spoken to parents and legal lawyers.
And one of the things that we have not gotten into is that related to the cognitive abilities in terms of our questioning there.
And simply because it was already on the record.
And then, of course, they obviously in court revealed that they had done an examination and he was level one Autistic.
Now, of course, then, of course, the Internet being the Internet on X, the first thing that everybody jumped out and said was, well, Elon Musk.
Yeah, he's also autistic.
He sends, you know, he can land rockets on platforms, brings them back, and he, you know, SpaceX, et cetera, et cetera, Tesla, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
Yeah.
Well, everybody's brain doesn't work that way.
And not every single Autistic person has a particular superpower.
Some do.
And some, the more severe their autism, the greater their particular superpower is, whether it's math or piano, music, or something of that nature.
But we don't know what or if Cole has a superpower, but we do know that he doesn't walk like the hoodied bomber.
And we know that he has different eyesight than the hoodied bomber.
And we know beyond any shadow of a doubt that Brian Cole did not have access to the map of Capital CC TV cameras so that he could know where to park and where to appear out of nowhere and where to disappear into nowhere and where to reload the bomb in the eight-minute blind spot at Folger Park.
And also could not have known from Google Maps where the hidden gate was to disappear from Rumsey Court behind the RNC into nothingness that night.
Only people that wouldn't have that information is the Capitol Police.
Yeah, well, look, it's my question, which we will not necessarily even get answers to, is whether or not he was interacting with anyone at that time.
The only evidence that we've gotten right now, obviously, is the evidence that DOJ wants to release or allege in the affidavit.
And okay, now, let me see here.
How do we segue this into what happened to you recently?
You break the story.
They who had been looking into this allegedly, you know, since they got into power without any new evidence, it's only within a very short timeframe from the release of your publication of your story that they come up with this.
Did you have any inklings?
Or I don't know if you have anybody, your mole insider mention anything about a panic within to come up with something that's going to run counter narrative to that expose?
You know, we're probably getting and bumping up close enough to something that I am not allowed to talk about in that regard at present.
But I will tell you that, as I mentioned earlier, the intelligence community was in abject horror and panic because, as I said before, once this, and I'm quoting Dan Bongino again, once this is fully revealed, it very well could be the biggest scandal in U.S. history.
Well, with that said, I mean, I'm going to get into the other part now.
You also, within short proximity of the arrest, there was an equally short proximity of your emergency hospitalization.
Look, I know I'm always nervous about disclosing something that I, that I, you know, that might have been mentioned privately.
I think this is all public anyhow.
But tell the world what happened to you and as much as you want to, and then I'm going to ask you the obvious question.
Yeah.
I had been over the last couple of months beginning to have symptoms with which I was not familiar.
You know, intermittent inability to catch my breath.
And, you know, I'm thinking because I've been so freaking busy.
So I'll just say this.
25 was my worst year of all ever for health related reasons.
And they, because of that, it exacerbated my hatred of exercise.
Well, you know, despite my hatred of exercise, that was something that I do anyway.
And I was watching my weight come up last year.
I was not happy about that, you know, put on 15 pounds.
And I just had such an overwhelming burden of the projects and the stories that we were working on that I was not taking care of myself.
That's bottom line.
And so as we got into the last couple of months and I started experiencing some of these little, you know, annoyances that turned out to be actual symptoms of what I had going wrong with my heart was that I just I put it off as having spent the year not doing my normal exercise routine and taking care of myself.
And so I started trying to counter that by getting out and doing more walking.
And, you know, when it would be easier to take an Uber in D.C., you know, for a half a mile or a mile, I would just do the walk.
And then I was finding myself in the last week before Christmas, I was finding myself walking around Capitol Hill and having to stop, you know, every block and catch my breath.
And then it was on the Saturday before Thanksgiving.
I was actually I had actually gone down to the DNC again to do some more measurements at the DNC.
And then I walked up Capitol Hill past the congressional office buildings to a Starbucks.
And I was so winded that I had to sit there in the Starbucks for two hours before I could even hail up an Uber.
I was that distressed and not knowing what the problem was.
And this was the Saturday before Christmas.
I drove home back to Raleigh from D.C.
It's about a four and a half hour drive.
I drove home that night from D.C.
And by mid-afternoon on Sunday, I knew I was in trouble and had one of my closest friends get me to the hospital right away.
So they saw the distress.
They took me, you know, there was a full emergency room at the actual cardiac center for UNC Rex Healthcare in Raleigh.
And even though the room was full, they immediately took me in for an EKG, wheeled me back out into the waiting room.
And within five minutes, a guy comes running out there, grabs my wheelchair, and he is flying down the hallways.
And I'm like, okay, well, this is quick.
What's up?
He said, we're coding you.
And I said, I thought if you're getting coded, that means you flatlined already.
He goes, well, that's the way we're about to treat you.
I said, well, why is that?
He said, we think you're having a heart attack right now.
And I just kind of said, okay, so this is what it's like.
I was curious.
I mean, I'd never been through this before.
I've been healthy my entire life.
And so this was new for me.
Don't have a history of heart disease in my family.
And so I was wheeled back into this really advanced, you know, cardiac triage room with all this fancy screens and everything else.
And all of a sudden, a dozen people were ripping my clothes off of me and putting electrodes on me.
And, you know, I'm thinking, again, I'm thinking to myself, okay, well, there's no sense in being bashful or shy now.
Here we go.
And then they started running the tube up through my groin into my heart and injecting the dyes.
And they're going through and looking for blockages because that's what they thought was happening.
They thought I had, you know, some sort of arterial blockages and I was clean and green.
They couldn't find anything.
So they're all standing around in a semicircle looking at all the video screens of my heart and the EKGs and everything else.
And one of the, I don't know if she was a nurse or a PA, a doctor.
I just remember she was a black lady in blue scrubs.
And she said, she goes, acute heart failure.
And I jerked my head away from the screen because I'm awake for all of this.
And I go, excuse me, you, what did you just say?
And she said, acute heart failure.
What's going on?
So it turns out that it's a fairly common issue.
We've all heard of it.
You know, it was an AFib event, arterial fibrillation or whatever.
And that the problem was, and what made mine so severe is that I, being my typical normal, stubborn self, I did not pay attention to the early signs and had allowed it to become very damaged.
So by the time they got me into that room, my heart was only functioning at about 10% capacity at the time.
And I was filling up, my lungs were filling up with fluids, blood, that sort of thing, because it wasn't, my heart was not able to pump that out of me.
I'll ask you, I tweeted it and said, like, you know, there's the joke and people in the chat were saying, you know, like, it wouldn't hurt to say I'm not suicidal.
The timing of everything.
And people will immediately think to something.
And not like you can go to various levels.
People seem to forget the story of that journalist out of Las Vegas who did a piece on somebody running for city council and it ruined their campaign.
And then the guy showed up at their house and stabbed them to death.
And I'm not, we should, people do crazy things when, you know, people start getting too close to ruining their lives.
So it's not, you know, call us conspiracy crazy people.
Oh, maybe someone, you know, was not happy with where you were going.
And out of the blue, you have acute.
Now, the question I had is, are there any ways of determining whether or not this might have been induced by some foreign substance, by a toxin, whatever?
And so was there any indication that this might have been foul play related or totally natural?
The likelihood of that being the case is, well, it's very small.
I mean, it's the likelihood of what being the case.
Of foul play.
It's very small.
I, you know, the timing was just, you know, overtly suspicious, the timing with this, especially things that we learned just in the days preceding.
And I'll just tell you, this story before it gets solved is going to take a much darker turn.
The story of the pipe bomb.
I will tell you that.
And you can use that as a sound guide if you want to.
And everybody's going to get mad.
All the Twitter people are going, ah, there he goes teasing again.
There he goes.
Fuck you.
You know, I'm just telling, I'm telling you, we have been working on this for five years and we know things.
And there's not things we're ready to tell yet.
There's things that we can't talk about yet.
And as we, you know, as we tie up loose ends and put all the pieces of the puzzle together, we eventually will.
But this story is going to take a darker turn before it gets better and before the full truth is revealed.
And because we had learned those things in the week leading up to it, we became very suspicious and nervous of potential.
The potential.
And so there were things that needed to be said about what we had learned in the week before Christmas.
And as soon as they admitted me to the hospital, I sent Congressman Massey a message and said, hey, I've got a problem and there's something you need to know.
And it's very important that you need to know it.
And actually, actually, before I went to the hospital, I sent him a note.
It was coming up on Christmas week.
And I sent him a note and I said, there's something that I need to tell you.
I'm not going to talk about it over the telephone.
I'm not going to email you.
I'm not going to text you.
I'm not going to do signal, but you need to know it.
I said, I may fly out to see you this week if you have time.
And he said, absolutely come out anytime.
So then I get admitted to the hospital the next day.
And Thomas Massey and his wife got on a freaking airplane and came to see me.
And it wasn't easy.
I mean, it was Christmas week.
He's with his family.
I'm actually having a full procedure done on Monday at noon.
I'm going to be full anesthetic.
I'm going to be out.
And he's already in the air flying.
And he and his wife.
And they couldn't get a direct flight to Raleigh.
So they flew to Charlotte and rented a car and drove the three hours from Charlotte to Raleigh to get to my hotel.
I'm not my hotel, but my hospital room.
And then they sat there beside my bed with me for four hours.
And then they drove back to Charlotte.
This was an incredible thing.
I don't, you know, I didn't get permission or otherwise to talk about it, but I think he needs to be honored for that act.
And I was able to convey the message that I was able, you know, that I needed to convey to him during that time, obviously.
And so then we began the process of, well, there was a funny moment before they knocked me out.
Remember, I said I had a procedure that they were going to put me under it right about 11 o'clock or noon, whatever it was on Monday, Monday of Christmas week.
And so I'm talking to the heart guy, the doc who's going through and telling me everything.
I said, hey, before you put me under, I said, there's something I need to talk to you about.
And I said, can you clear the room?
And he's like, seriously?
I said, yeah, clear the room.
He said, okay.
So he did.
And then I said, I have reasons to at least be concerned that this may not be a natural occurrence.
And then he was trying to get me to explain it in a way that I wasn't willing to.
And then he finally said, okay, okay, okay, okay.
He said, do you have any family members that could, that can validate what you're telling me right here?
I said, no.
I said, but the congressman will be here in three hours.
He went, what?
I said, yeah, the congressman will be here in three hours.
You can ask him.
He goes, oh, okay.
So we did get additional tests ordered.
We got toxicology tests ordered that weren't on the agenda.
And all of that has so far been inconclusive.
And as even the experts that I've consulted with, medical experts in DC in this particular field have told me that it's highly unlikely, but they want to see all of my records as well.
So we actually started that process.
I initiated that project today with my head cardiologist's office for them to transfer all of my records about this event up to our special people in DC.
Well, that's, I say it's fascinating in a sinister way.
And so everybody knows, I don't actually know what the darker turn is either.
And I'm not even asking privately because I don't want to know.
I have always had my own thoughts from the beginning that I did find it particularly curious, the amount of Capitol Police officers who were said to have taken their own lives in the wake of January 6th.
And not that it's like they were killed to keep secrets.
Part of me also thought maybe their lives were turned into living hell because they were potentially going to disclose secrets or reveal what they knew of the events of that day and their higher ups who were in on this, what we all believe to be a Fed surrection, threatened them, made their lives hell, and drove them to the edge of the brink where they did that.
I just found it peculiar that I think it was six or maybe even more Capitol Police officers and Metro police officers who were alleged to have taken their own lives.
Yeah, it was only four, and then there have been there have been rumors of two others unconfirmed in the years since then.
Not that it was directly related to January 6th, but always from our sources every single time.
The one organization that I have more boots on the ground current sources is Capitol Police because I've done so much work with them about them in the last five years.
And so I get real-time messaging from actual individuals at Capitol Police from all different ranks letting me know when things like that happen.
And sometimes they're rumors.
Sometimes they're able to confirm later.
Sometimes they're not.
But there were between MPD, I think there was only one Capitol Police officer, three MPDs that were confirmed.
And then there's been a couple of others rumored to have been committed suicide as a result of January 6th.
Yeah, I found that number wildly disproportionate.
And I know some people say they were whacked because they knew something.
And I just go with a less sinister or less fantastical conspiracy.
Their lies were just turned into hell because they were either abused as whistleblowers or they were threatened and whatever.
Steve, we've been for a long time.
I don't want to keep you too long.
Do you have a few more minutes?
Yeah, I'm actually doing well.
I have one of the byproducts of this is that I do have to rest more frequently.
I get weak very quickly, but I'm good right now.
I've had a couple of really good days in a row, which I'm very positive about.
We're going to raid out into Redacted and what we're going to do.
I'm going to get to the chat before we go over to locals, and then we'll go over to locals and take some questions there.
So let me, for the time being, just go raid redacted.
Everyone, if you don't want to go to redacted, you can opt out, but stay here for some after, I'll get to the chat.
Raid redacted news.
Steve, I'm going to put all your links up as always, and we're going to wait with bated breath for what's coming.
Let me just deal with the chats on Rumble first so that we can.
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I don't know if there's a way that I can.
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Ginger Ninja, who, by the way, someone joined our, I'll get to them in a second, made me this, and that's our new member, Bell, says, good to see you, Steve.
So glad to hear your health has been improving.
So glad to see you continue to dig into this case.
Unapologetically, kudos to the Blaze as well.
God bless.
Ginger says, when Bongino comes back to the show, it'll be Ginger, I'm not giving these soundbites for the world.
Ginger Ninja says, Steve, I'm right in the end.
Am I right that the indictment only outlines the purchase of two end caps for two pipe bombs?
Wouldn't they need four end caps?
You know what?
I don't remember whether there was two, four, or eight, but the biggest question is, does the kid have a drill press?
I would never have even known to ask that question.
I would have just thought, even if I don't think they would make that level of a mathematical error, my only question is: even set aside, they didn't know to look for more pipe bombs the day of when they raided his house.
I mean, they're going with, they know that he, they know by that time that he's bought a number of things over years.
Yeah, that also doesn't make any sense.
But here's the most significant aspect of the house being raided.
If the FBI truly believed that this kid had the ability to make weapons of mass destruction dangerous devices that could blow up and kill people, the one thing that they did not do was they did not evacuate the cul-de-sac that the kid lives in.
In fact, they locked his next door neighbors in their house.
One couple, the gentleman is 70 years old, and he had a doctor's appointment that morning, and they would not let him leave and go to his doctor's morning.
They locked him in their house, not evacuate in advance of the raid.
So they knew that this kid was not dangerous before they ever got there.
Lucy the Dog says, Glad to see you alive, Steve.
I think that Cole was set up.
I think everybody thought Lucy the Dog says, The good in the FBI and the bad FBI are the FBI.
Ginger Ninja says, If I know anything about people with ASD and to a degree that they're severely sensitive to sound, they I know they love explosions.
And then someone would say, Well, he wouldn't have been there when the explosion goes off, although they allege that he was like testing out his black powder to see if it worked.
Let's see what we got over here.
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Steve, Viva is often often seems tuned out unless the music has Travis Barker on drums.
Please mention what you think of Slowburn by David Bowie.
We've talked about that.
I remember we're talking about music the first time we did a stream together.
Cow Tool says, Viva, I'm desperate.
I cannot find a way to contact support for locals, so I'm dropping some coins to see if you can help.
I'm not getting any notifications from locals.
Missing podcasts is frustrating.
That might be on your end.
Let me, I screenshotted it.
I'll get back to you after this, after this show.
Barefoot Jamie says, Viva, can you add Brandon Herrera running in Texas to your show?
Yes, I can.
And yes, I will.
I think we follow each other.
And I think we've been in touch about a show.
Steve, are there any cell tower cell phone towers that cover the pipe bomb area that should ping if someone was there?
That Brian Cole did not hit that tower.
Yes.
That's right.
There's an answer to that question.
Yes.
There were, and again, we're not speaking of Brian necessarily, but we are talking about the accusations from the FBI.
Is that when we measure and plotted out the vectors of the cell phone towers as listed, as named and described by location by the FBI itself, there were pings that happened outside of the asthma.
So at 120 degrees, they happened out.
Now, that can happen.
You can get a ping that's several blocks outside of the vector because you get bounced, the waves are bouncing off of buildings in a city like that.
So those kind of things happen.
But to the extent that they also can, you can get a false ping, you can also get a or you can get a ping from an actual cell phone from a tower that it should not ring up on.
The exact opposite is true.
You can get false pings as well.
And so it is a highly questionable technology.
Now, so our own expert that we have engaged in this, the cast expert in terms of cell phone tower technology, is a retired expert from the FBI.
That's where he did.
And so he's done the analysis on this for us and explained to us how shoddy and shaky that particular technology is.
Now, that's not to say that the DOJ and the FBI doesn't have more in their, you know, more in their arsenal when this thing, if it ever goes to trial, which by the way, I don't believe it ever will go to trial.
But the point being is, is that What would have been much more accurate for them is if the kid was actually doing DoorDash that night in the area.
Sorry, that was one of the DoorDash.
Then it's GPS, and we know every porch he went to.
That was a question I nearly forgot to ask.
Did anybody FOIA DoorDash for his records?
Because he apparently worked at DoorDash, I think, during this period.
Well, I mean, a private company wouldn't be subject to FOIA.
Sorry, that's yeah.
But yeah, the FBI knows.
We just don't know yet.
And it's one of the frustrating aspects of doing this on our own and trying to counter this narrative by the FBI and the Department of Justice is we just don't have the resources they have.
And yeah, no, the stupid, I meant more of a whistleblower coming out of DoorDash, who might say, here's his records, and he was driving.
Right, right.
And so the other question here, and I'm trying to find the video for this.
F. Charton asks, Viva, did I misunderstand when the agents picked up the bombs?
Did they just collect them like they were trash, i.e., no fear of death?
We're not crazy, right?
That's effectively how they picked them up.
No, they actually, once again, yours truly was the first one to actually show one of the DNC bomb being demolished by a Capital City bomb squad robot.
We have the video.
It's on Blaze TV on YouTube.
And you can go watch it.
And you can actually see the bomb.
It was detonated by a water cannon.
And it just went.
And then they had to go hit it again because it actually ran away from the robot the first time when they hit it with the water cannon.
And then the other question.
Oh, geez, the pipe bomb.
Hold on one second.
DoorDash receipts.
Oh, I almost now.
I'm going to forget the question.
Okay, hold on.
It's going to come back to me in a second.
And we're going to save these last few questions for locals only.
Everybody, go check out Steve.
Steve, so coming while we have the crowd, where can people find you?
X Steve Baker, USA.
Obviously, the Blaze.
Go to theblaze.com.
And most of our stories about this, in fact, all of our stories related to January 6th can be found at blaze.com forward slash truth.
Okay, Mindy'll send me the links.
I'll put them up in the pinned comment.
It's going to come to me in a second.
We're going to get to the chat and maybe it'll refresh my memory.
We are going over to locals.
I will see everybody tomorrow.
What day is it today?
It's Wednesday, so Thursday.
I'll see you all tomorrow and maybe see some of you later.
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