Viva & Barnes - Ostrich Farm Update w/ Chris Dacey; Jan. 6 Pipe Bomber IDENTIFIED? w/Kyle Serraphin & MORE!

Nov. 10, 2025 - Viva & Barnes

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Ostrich Farm Update w/ Chris Dacey; Jan. 6 Pipe Bomber IDENTIFIED? w/Kyle Serraphin & MORE!

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	We're going to get to it.
	We're going to get to it.
	We're starting with the ostrich farm update.
	If you have not been following the work of one Chris Dacey, and I hope it does he say Dicey or I think it's Dacey.
	I remember him saying it in a way that I was like, oh, I might be mispronouncing his name.
	Chris Dacey has been on site.
	He's been there.
	And this is not to take away at all from anybody else's work.
	Drea Humphreys has been doing the Lord's work out there.
	Sheila Gunreed, Lord's work.
	Ezra Levant, Lord's work.
	Chris Dacey, also Lord's work.
	Chris, I'm bringing you in.
	Sir, how goes the battle?
	I mean, it goes, I guess.
	Not real comfortable standing with these guys behind me after they threatened to arrest me the other day.
	And, you know, just off to my right was the scene of a mass slaughter.
	Hundreds of gunshots rang out, you know, piercing the night.
	It's been a pretty hard few days here, to be honest.
	People might not know who you are.
	Chris Dacey, Dacey Media, independent journalist.
	One day we'll do a deeper dive into all the other stuff that you've been experiencing in life for having, you know, covered trans ideology and all the other stuff.
	You've been now at Edgewood, Universal Ostrich Farms in British Columbia for how many?
	It's been like two and a half weeks now, right?
	It's been over a month, I believe.
	It's hard to keep track exactly, but I'm pretty sure it's been over a month, just over a month.
	Geez, Louise, you've been down there.
	You're documenting everything in real time across your social media.
	Chris, you were there the night of the slaughter and the Supreme Court ruling came down.
	It was Thursday morning.
	There was a moment where Katie thought the dismissal was of the CFIA's lawsuit and not of their appeal of it.
	And it went from elation to devastation.
	And then they literally spent the entire night slaughtering these animals.
	Can you walk us through that?
	Yeah, well, that's how the day started.
	So the Supreme Court was announcing their decision.
	I think it was like 9:45 Eastern.
	So we were up bright and early.
	That was, you know, before seven here.
	The sun was just coming up.
	And yeah, you know, we got that news coming in.
	Katie read it.
	And at first, she just read the top part and thought that they had won.
	Everyone celebrated.
	And then, like you say, it went from elation to devastation.
	And that's happened a lot here.
	Things are very up and down.
	You know, you'll get a bit of good news and then devastating news.
	That whole day was pretty eerie.
	And then just as darkness fell, pretty much, hundreds of gunshots rang out.
	It was actually very nasty.
	I know.
	Well, it's the, I'm not being hyperbolic.
	It's literally the stuff of nightmares.
	For anybody who's ever experienced tragedy or trauma, there's a moment where it literally feels like a nightmare.
	And you're like, please just wake up.
	Please just wake up.
	And you're not waking up.
	How did it happen when the first gunshots start to ring out?
	I mean, they just started, really.
	There was no warning, really.
	There's a family that I've been covering quite a bit, an unrelated property that's seized and being used operationally here.
	Causes a lot of tension.
	They were back in here.
	So they were probably the closest and could see the heads.
	Nobody warned anybody.
	All of a sudden, gunshots just rang out.
	And the first volley, I would say, was 150, 160 probably rounds fired.
	As this happened, people were falling to the ground, screaming in terror.
	Like, I mean, blood-curdling screams.
	And that kind of thing went on, right?
	And then there'd be a pause.
	Everyone was completely distraught.
	And all of a sudden, the gunfire would go off again.
	And there was at least five rounds of shooting.
	People are saying they've counted something like eight, 900 gunshots.
	Sounded like a few different rifles, maybe a couple different calibers.
	There was definitely multiple shooters.
	And as this was going on, the RCMP were basically doing everything in their power to make the situation more difficult than it had to be and to antagonize people.
	They brought in their shift change.
	So they started shooting and they brought in their shift change late with about 50 police cars lining the whole street behind me.
	They lined up at this, what the police call arrest gate here behind me.
	It's basically an arm checkpoint to get into the seized property here.
	Lined up, like they're like, it reminded me a bit of Convoy, honestly, like lined up abreast, very serious.
	It was pretty nasty.
	And I think worth noting, during that day, the whole day prior, a PLT officer, a staff sergeant with the police liaison team was spent the day basically trying to antagonize and provoke me.
	Not just myself, also the owner of this property.
	They've done the same to Mike Roode, Sergeant Mike Rood.
	So it seems like they were targeting people they thought they might be able to get to react.
	We didn't.
	And then they threatened me for my efforts.
	Threatened me with arrest.
	I will get to that in a second.
	I just want to get through the actual timeline of the horror.
	The first shots start ringing out sundown or it's like well beyond dark at this time.
	Yeah, it was dark at that point.
	I believe it might have been around six something.
	It's hard to say.
	Like the whole thing is a bit of a blur.
	I know, I totally appreciate that.
	But that's it.
	You just start hearing gunshots going off.
	Do you hear, not to get too graphic, I need to ask, do you hear the birds making noises?
	I was told that the birds were crying out and screaming.
	I imagine they were terrified.
	As soon as the first gunshot went off, every one of those birds would have been terrified.
	We know there was not 400 birds, right?
	So 800 shots.
	We're looking at minimum two shots, maybe more, three, four shots.
	And that was going on well into the night.
	And it seems as though in the morning, not all the birds have been dispatched.
	Some may have had to be dispatched manually.
	There was sporadic gunfire.
	Yeah, it was gruesome.
	And then it was just as gruesome afterwards when we had to look at what was left behind.
	So they do this throughout the night.
	When do the gunshots stop?
	Excuse me.
	They were still going well after midnight.
	And I was told that there were sporadic ones later than that.
	So I had kind of calmed down.
	It's maybe the wrong word.
	I was just trying to absorb what had happened.
	And around 12.30, a round of gunshots went out.
	And I jumped out of my skin.
	Like same thing happened yesterday.
	So I mean, this is a rural area.
	Gunfire isn't that unusual.
	But now I hear a gunshot way in the distance.
	And I literally jump out of my skin.
	Gunshots never used to bother me before, but they certainly do now.
	And I know I'm not the only one.
	So let's just say it goes on for give or take four hours, whatever.
	By one o'clock in the morning, it's done.
	Everybody is thoroughly traumatized.
	And then the sun rises.
	And what do you see when the sun rises?
	Absolute horror.
	Piles of bodies, dumpsters being dragged in to take out carcasses, what appeared to me to be headless birds or grievously injured.
	I mean, there could be a bunch of different things going on, but it was absolute carnage.
	Skid steers coming in and dragging ostriches around and poking them.
	It was just absolute, absolute carnage.
	And I mean, these are large animals.
	These aren't chickens, right?
	These are animals.
	Some of them have been with this family for over 35 years.
	There's a picture of the daughter from inside this property with an ostrich when she was a baby, you know, over 30 years ago.
	Her baby picture.
	Like.
	So they've grown up with these ostriches and these birds for years.
	Um, they have distinct what they had, obvious and distinct personalities.
	Um they're, they're ancient, they're large animals, ancient birds and and they're all gone now.
	All gone and now the.
	I just want to, like you know, get logistics here, because the argument and the rationale, and Angie Rasmus and if you're watching you'll maybe answer this question yourself the rationale was that they were a, you know a, a vector, a potential spread of the disease, even though they were not asymptomatic healthy, but they, who the hell knows?
	Shedding from a year ago, an infection.
	How long were the carcasses left outside for?
	Are they are there?
	Are there still carcasses out there or have they gotten rid of the all?
	I believe the carcasses are gone, but the, the cleanup is certainly not done.
	I mean there must be bullet casings all over the place.
	Um, there's all the.
	That would be a lot of blood from that many animals.
	Um, this is supposed to be a biohazard area.
	Right and like, just before we got on, the commander came through, the RCMP commander, with all kinds of hay and mud that he just drove out of these fields in, just drives out and right down the area, kicking off biohazard.
	You know what it's all it's?
	It's all complete nonsense honestly, they drive in and out of there, no problem.
	They drive out onto the highway after being in the killing fields.
	Some wear ppe, some don't wear ppe, and and Ezra from Rebel NEWS was was commenting on how they were spreading the blood-soaked hay across fields.
	But, if you know, were the carcasses left out for the next day, two days?
	Did it take a couple of days to get them out?
	Yeah, I mean, it was.
	It would have taken.
	It took well, it past the first day, so I mean over a day.
	Um, you know, some of them were tarped, most of them were just lying in the open somewhere in piles um, and I guess there was a few birds that they weren't able to corral, that they had to chase down and and hunt outside of the pens.
	So it was a pretty nasty scene.
	It it, i'm.
	I try to believe and like, try to some form of spirituality, to like to temper down the seething.
	It's it's, it's rage, it's disgust, it's scorn.
	Uh, it's I, it's righteous.
	This is, this is absolute savagery perpetrated by what i'd consider to be a terrorist entity, the RCMP.
	Yeah, get into if anybody has any questions that I didn't get to.
	I mean, these are the details that I just everybody needs to hear, the I we saw that Itch Bay of the RCMP getting in your face, saying you're too close to the police, even though they have a line that separates the public area from the police area.
	And you know, if you get too close to the line, we'll move your line up cops.
	She says you're, you're too close to me, i'd like to cross the line.
	I played this yesterday and then she crosses right in your face.
	But I just want to know what's going on here.
	What are the RCMP doing?
	Like I I feel bad, almost like maybe i'm being too hard on these terrorist gestapo agents.
	Maybe I am, I don't think I.
	I try to do it the other way.
	And you know I I come in with my own trauma.
	I watched the RCMP beat the living snot out of people on Wellington Street, you know, with sticks and, and shooting reporters with uh 40 millimeter gas grenades, and i've seen some nasty stuff, but I tried very hard to to.
	You know I didn't come in here to fight the RCMP.
	Um, i'm not anti-law enforcement either.
	At least I wasn't.
	Most of my life I was a very large supporter of law enforcement, but the behavior of the RCMP here to me um was Was beyond unacceptable and it went well beyond incompetence.
	I think it was a targeted thing.
	It's the only way I can see.
	They came at me multiple times.
	I watched to come after many, many people.
	I also have a whole lot of video that hasn't been released yet because I wasn't trying to turn this into a me versus or whatever, the RCMP type thing, but they forced my hand.
	They acted out of line and they forced my hand.
	And afterwards, they came and they threatened to arrest me for doing journalism.
	So, I mean, there's a few problems there, but the RCMP has certainly not done a good job here, in my opinion.
	And I think they made a basically impossible situation far worse than it had to be.
	You've been there for, however long it's been, if it's been a month, it's been a month.
	It's wild.
	There's no way that there were 330 ostriches by the end of this.
	There ought to have been, in theory, 397 at the time they took custody.
	I don't know why the CFIA warrant only refers to 330.
	By the end of it, I don't think there's consensus.
	There were not 330 ostriches there.
	No, and I mean, Mike Roode and I, Sergeant Mike Rude, retired, he's an airborne veteran in the Canadian Forces.
	We provided a lot of high-quality video to do counts.
	The CFI refused to count the number of birds or disclose the number.
	The RCMP weren't able to help because they're under the boot of the CFIA.
	But we provided that, that high-quality video.
	I mean, you can count for yourself.
	If you want to see it, check it out in my ex account.
	I gave up at a certain point.
	I mean, but it wasn't 300.
	No, it's not even close.
	It's not even close.
	And then also, we have pictures.
	I'll make sure those get out today.
	But from the day before the slaughter, when most of the ostriches were herded into the pen, we have a picture of everything in the pen and the only other area with ostriches.
	And there's not nearly enough.
	And then again, after the slaughter, we have that video that's gone absolutely viral of all the dead ostriches.
	And there's not nearly enough there either.
	I mean, even if you're very generous and say that small pile has 50 ostriches we can't see, we're still not getting to the numbers that they say there should be.
	And from what I understand, the proportion of hens to roosters, is it hens to roosters?
	It was not at the end what it was at the beginning.
	There were more females to males at the beginning, and by the end of it, it was equal or more males to females.
	Certainly appears so to me.
	So what I was noticing is it was mainly black birds.
	So the males are dark, almost black color, and then the hens are the females are a lighter color, kind of like a gray.
	And we were noticing almost, not exclusively, but a far larger number, all black birds basically.
	So I asked the family, asked a few different people, what is the normal proportion?
	And they said that it should be two or three to one females to males.
	Because the breeding hen, you know, they're the ones with the eggs.
	It's like this with a lot of farming, right?
	The females are quite valuable.
	In this case, they're valuable for a number of reasons.
	Those eggs carry antibodies.
	They produce the eggs.
	I mean, there's a lot of layers to that, maybe, but it seems as though perhaps the hens were being targeted, maybe taken away.
	I don't know.
	We tried very hard to prove what was going on here.
	There's zero transparency.
	Everything's so opaque here.
	You have kill walls, 20-foot-tall kill walls, privacy fencing.
	Nobody's allowed near it.
	Everyone's wearing, you know, marshmallow suits.
	And that kind of does breed paranoia, but we tried very hard.
	And I tried to do this skeptically.
	But everything that I see indicates there's something very gross going on and that there aren't enough birds.
	And the number of birds was continuously dropping until they slaughtered them all.
	Slaughter them all within 12 years.
	What do we mean?
	Slaughter them all within 12 hours without, I don't know what reprieve would have possibly been left for the family.
	But now the other question that I had was this.
	They're also seizing or confiscating eggs.
	Yeah, it seems so.
	Okay.
	And then they say the H5N1 fear of spread to confiscate eggs and other material.
	I'll need a scientist from the CBC to explain what that sense, what sense that makes.
	Well, I think it's important to note as well that they did test like way, way back, I believe it was two dead birds using PCR tests.
	None of the other birds that recovered.
	None of the birds here were ever tested after that.
	In fact, if anyone tried to test them, they were facing a two hundred thousand dollar fine and six months in jail for each bird tested.
	So they really, really didn't want these birds tested.
	I like to think what I would have done, get them tested and go to jail, and that'll be the civil disobedience that shocks the world.
	It looks like the slaughter needed to happen to shock the world, and it may have it's.
	I hate to say that, but I kind of was saying that before and thinking that sometimes, you know, terrible things do have to happen for uh, for change or for good to come later.
	Um, I don't pretend to understand the larger picture here.
	I'm still kind of in shock and i'm really um, I came in mentally prepared for this occurrence but like nobody could prepare themselves for what happened here that night it's, it's not.
	It's not something that a human with a conscience or a human with a soul could possibly deal with.
	Anybody who's had to peacefully euthanize their 15 year old dog sits there and sobs like a baby.
	Well, that was the other terrifying thing for people here.
	Right, people were very concerned.
	A lot of dogs around here and there was a lot of concern that these crazy people back here might try to go after dogs or get someone's dog.
	You know say, a dog crosses the line, a dog is contaminated.
	That would certainly be a way to infuriate me.
	If someone came after my dog, I would well, you know.
	You know what it's like well, with one of my dogs.
	If they came in my paralyzed one who's 15 years old and has a massive tumbra, maybe you know I defend her less vigorously.
	That's a joke.
	Still, I just wanted to squeeze pee out of her before the show started Dacey, and then and then now let's get into this because they objectively threatened you.
	Yeah, I would say yeah, I know I saw the video.
	For those who haven't seen it, like it's a three minute video, check out your feed.
	It's uh, Dacey Media on on twitter and i'm going to give everybody the link.
	But they come up and say, you're you're, you're recording here and you're showing badge numbers and we consider that doxing and it might be a form of harassment.
	What, what exactly did they say?
	Yeah, so I mean, they came up and and they said that they came right up to me, but as soon as I got out of the farm, interestingly enough.
	So someone radioed ahead to the command post um, and within a minute or two after I got out of the the wire, so to speak, out out of the farm, um and up onto the road within minutes um, the sergeant rolled up on me, walked up are you, Chris Dacy?
	Like obviously knew who I was and said I need to tell you something.
	So at that point I was pretty sure I wasn't getting arrested um, but it certainly wasn't comfortable.
	And then he proceeded to quote the criminal code and uh quote part of it.
	He left out some very important parts.
	Um basically accused me of uh fading like intimidation, threats or fear in a justice system participant and also doxing appreciation.
	They left out the part of the criminal code, though at the end of that, where it's justice system participant or journalist.
	And then they left out section c of that code, which is supposed to protect journalists from what they're doing to me.
	Like they're the ones that are terrorizing, they're the ones that are threatening, they're the ones that are instilling fear in a journalist, obstructing me from doing my job, which is what they feel appreciate.
	Like what they're basically saying is, if you, if you not even shine a spotlight, just a camera documenting what they're doing.
	That that's somehow going to be an obstruction to what they're trying to do, because people are going to be sufficiently outrageous and these are people that won't wear their names on their uniforms, right.
	So they have numbers on their uniform.
	They're too ashamed to have their names on there.
	They have numbers so they can be identified to the public.
	These are public figures that are identifiably, you know.
	People do their names.
	I didn't do anything.
	Like the PLT, she was identified in my comments.
	And I shared one Facebook post, a public Facebook post of hers of her bragging and explaining who she was.
	And that's it.
	She is a RCMP officer who serves the public.
	People are saying if the people are outraged at what they're doing, first of all, that's called freedom and that's called their rights.
	But the idea that they would take off the numbers in the license plates and the identifying numbers of the vehicles coming in.
	So you have no idea who's contracting with them.
	They take their own names away.
	This happens in the dead of night.
	Everyone's anonymized and they literally carry out a slaughter, the most atrocious thing imaginable under the cloak of anonymity and then argue that anybody who sheds a light otherwise known as transparency or freedom is somehow threatening, intimidating, or obstructing the process of their evil injustices.
	It's amazing.
	And some fucking liberal idiots out there are all okay with this.
	And I mean, it's me right now, but it's going to be them later.
	Like this doesn't stop.
	It only gets worse.
	It's only gotten worse.
	Like there hasn't been any justice from these RCMP terrorists for doing what they did during the Ottawa protests.
	People seem to have forgotten their gleeful text messages when the old indigenous lady was knocked over by the horse and they're like, saved some protesters for me.
	People forgot about that.
	Nobody went to jail.
	Nobody got sanctioned.
	No, no, and they were all absolved of it.
	It was all like, I mean, the whole thing was declared.
	The Emergency Act was declared unlawful, ultravirus, unlawful, unjustified, a whole bunch of fun things.
	Nothing ever came of it.
	And all the people that were grievously injured, traumatized and hurt have no recourse.
	There's no accountability, no acknowledgement even.
	They still act and treat us like terrorists, even though it's been proven over and over again that that was not the case.
	And, you know, I mean, I'm not kind of a vengeful type of guy.
	I more believe that God will sort that stuff out and everybody gets what's theirs in the end.
	But I mean, if people don't have transparency and accountability and justice in this world, it's going to be very difficult for people to move on.
	And then these things are going to keep happening over and over again.
	And this escalation is, I mean, I cover a lot of stuff.
	I was kind of born of the convoy.
	I've been covering the protest scene in Ottawa and all over Canada for quite some time.
	And I'm shocked by what happened here.
	This is completely beyond the pale.
	The fact that this can happen anywhere, let alone in Canada, absolutely shocks me.
	The fact that now we have a paramilitary organization doing the bidding of unelected bureaucrats with unlimited power, you know, we have rules that our Canadian military cannot be deployed on the people for very good reasons.
	So they can't be used against us.
	But if you militarize the RCMP and use them, what's the difference?
	They have drones, they have helicopters, they have unlimited power.
	They can threaten whoever they want.
	They can break the law and there's zero accountability.
	And then they can threaten you for trying to report it.
	Chris, this it's doom pill.
	I mean, it's not doom pill in terms of like going nuts.
	I was thinking, I'm just thinking to myself, you know, I've got a fear of God.
	I've got a fear of sin.
	And I've got a family.
	I don't think anybody, if you let your evil temptations, if you succumb to your evil temptations and you do something, you let them victimize you a second time because you've let them provoke you into doing something that will land you in jail and ruin your life.
	So they get to raise it.
	Well, that's what they want.
	And it's not just them, right?
	This has been happening to me ever since the convoy.
	The Ottawa police waged a campaign like this against me for quite some time.
	Toronto police have come at me a number of times.
	I've been surrounded by like six horses in Toronto.
	You know, this isn't normal stuff.
	It's meant to provoke.
	It's meant to scare and intimidate people.
	And it's meant to stop people like me and others from showing this evil to the world to stop people from standing up and for people to be afraid to report on it.
	But I'm not going to back down from bullies.
	I never have.
	I never will.
	This is uncomfortable.
	I'm jumping out of my skin with these.
	That's the enemy right behind me.
	But I'm here and I don't have the same attachments that I used to.
	You know, my business from before COVID is gone.
	My family's grown up, and I'm a single guy in a field.
	So I can do this now.
	What are they going to take from me?
	I mean, they threatened to take my literal freedom, but I stand on what's right.
	And I'm going to keep standing.
	Chris, I'm glad we met in Ottawa.
	I'm glad there were eyes on the ground there.
	It's an abject horror.
	It was deliberately done in a way to traumatize, to terrify, to provoke a response.
	It is the definition of terrorism.
	And Royal Canadian Mounted Gestapo, you are Canada's terrorists right now.
	You're Hitler's willing executioner.
	Look behind me here.
	So this is the seized property, and a family member is having to go through an armed checkpoint to get out of their property.
	This isn't Universal Ostrich Farms.
	This is an unrelated property that was seized for logistical purposes and they've been terrorizing the family that lives there for a month.
	So, you know, there's a meth lab beside your place that can they take your house and keep it?
	I don't know.
	Seems like they can.
	Seems like they can do whatever they want.
	All right, Chris, we're going to stay in touch.
	How long are you going to be going to head out when the police head out?
	I mean, you're going to stick around with it.
	I haven't determined yet.
	I mean, there's a lot to still go over here.
	Like, once they're cleared out, I want to see what's left behind.
	I want to go out there and find out what kind of bullets, what kind of shells there are.
	And there's still a lot to go through.
	Plus, there's a lot of layers to this story that I just wasn't able to get to with the fast pace and up and down of everything.
	But I do want to be able to tell that broader story and I want to make sure I have everything I need before I go to tell that story.
	I'm sure there are multiple open invitations to any whistleblowers within the CFIA or whatever pharma company, in my view, was behind all of this because this was a pharma science grab.
	It had nothing to do with health.
	Chris, thank you for doing everything that you've done.
	How can people support you?
	I'm going to put your link into your Twitter, but how can people support you financially for what you're doing?
	Yeah, so I guess the best way to do that, if you want to support me directly, you could do that by e-transfer to daceymedia at gmail.com.
	I do have a merch store at the Veterans for Freedom, Veterans for Freedom.
	It should be back up today or tomorrow.
	So that's alternative.
	Dacy, oh, I just gave it all.
	It's Daceymedia at gmail.com.
	I got fat fingers in it.
	Now I'm getting that gmail.com, whatever.
	I got Daceymedia at gmail.com is there.
	Chris, thank you.
	Yeah, thanks, Viva.
	All right, Godspeed, keep it up.
	Yeah, we'll talk soon.
	Thanks.
	Yeah, please.
	All right.
	That's Chris, everybody.
	Now, seething hot rage that makes you have bad thoughts that you know are bad thoughts.
	Like, no, you're not going to go.
	I was discussing this with Twitter, I guess, yesterday.
	You know, the killdozer, what's his name?
	Nier Meyer, Niemeyer?
	The killdozer guy who just wanted to be left alone, Rambo.
	And the killdozer guy who snapped, gets in a bulldozer, a killdozer that, you know, tank that he made, runs havoc over oddly enough, you know, innocent people's businesses, gets killed in the process, accomplishes nothing to further his own righteous objectives.
	It ends up just becoming, on the one hand, a martyr and a symbol to a certain portion of the population, and on the other hand, an example to others.
	It didn't accomplish the goal.
	They want to provoke people into doing something stupid so they can victimize them a second time and then use them as the examples as to why they now need to come down and enforce even harder on the rest of society.
	There were reports this morning that the CFIA headquarters in, where was it, Kelowna, that it had shit and eggs thrown at their headquarters.
	Did you see this?
	And it's the classic, you know, throw a it's a possibility.
	I don't know who did it.
	You know, if it's if it's someone who's outraged throwing shit at the CFIA headquarters, it's going to be counterproductive.
	If it's what I think it might be, well, you know, throw a brick through your own window, and it's the easiest way to raise money during an election campaign.
	It's an old Chicago proverb.
	Where is the where is the come on?
	There was the whole thing where they had poo-poo on.
	Oh, I guess it's right here.
	Yeah, the reporting of earlier today.
	Here, bring this up.
	Office in Kelowna has feces.
	First of all, I would suggest testing that feces to find out if it's ostrich feces.
	And if it is, you might know who threw a brick at their own window.
	If it was someone who's outraged doing this, it's counterproductive.
	It might make you feel good in the moment, and then they'll arrest you.
	You'll go to jail.
	Your life will be ruined.
	And they'll get to say, look at these savages.
	Now we need to govern them harder.
	Flip side: the RCMP are terrorists.
	These are actual text messages between RCMP members back in the Ottawa trucker convoy.
	Just watch that horse video.
	That is awesome.
	We should practice that maneuver.
	Agreed.
	Put me back on hire hero and they will be served.
	Ha ha.
	Put me back on gyro.
	Here's another one.
	Cheers, crew.
	Here's to some sweet overtime this weekend to our on-call members.
	Don't kick all of them out until next week's group gets our turn.
	These are RCMP officers gleefully rejoicing in beating the shit out of the people they are supposed to represent.
	Terrorists.
	You think they wouldn't throw shit at the CFIA headquarters, their own client in this?
	And they say, look at what they did.
	Who's this one here?
	Looks like they need more leg into the hand, into hand.
	Oh, and then they're talking about their nice hotel room at the Chateau Laurier.
	Oddly enough, Chateau Laurier, right about where, if I'm not mistaken, they saw the guy carrying a Nazi flag, a swastika flag.
	I have second gas mask, size medium, never used it.
	If anyone doesn't have one and would require one tomorrow, I'll take it.
	I'll bring it tomorrow.
	Thanks.
	Time for the protesters to hear our jackboots on the ground.
	There's a word for these people, and it's fucking terrorists.
	Sorry, that's two words.
	No, no, you think they wouldn't throw shit at their client, the CFIA's headquarters, and then say, look what they did.
	Now we've got to come in and more.
	Oh, they're so dangerous.
	They're so violent.
	They're such extremists.
	Look at the way they're responding to our brutal slaughter of their healthy, innocent animals.
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	And this people, we're going to go from atrocities to, I'm swearing today, fucking spicy stuff coming out of a Steve Baker expose that purports to have identified the January 6th pipe bomber.
	For those of you who don't know who Kyle Serafin is, he was a former FBI.
	I guess he is former FBI whistleblower.
	It's funny because we've had not a love-hate relationship.
	We've had our tiffs on Twitter and we've become friends now.
	But I'm an easy guy to become friends with.
	And Kyle is a pretty easy guy to become friends with as well.
	When adults can agree to disagree and even take the needles and the jabs and the Charlie horses that adults give to each other and kids give to each other.
	So Kyle, I'm going to bring you in.
	Three, two, one.
	Sir, how goes the battle?
	It goes.
	And also, apparently, my age continues to be a thwarting factor in my health.
	I went for a jog today and for about the 800th time in the last three years, I pulled my right calf.
	So I'm pretty excited about that.
	But the battle continues one way or another.
	How do you pull your calf running?
	I don't know.
	How old are you?
	I'm 43.
	Oh, dude.
	But I've got some miles on this chassis.
	I did some work when I'm in the military.
	I've got a disability connection rated for that particular leg.
	So I may have to go have them go look at it again and say, guys, I'm trying to run a 10K and it's not happening because apparently I keep injuring myself.
	Have you never run a marathon?
	I have run half marathons only.
	I've never really wanted to run a marathon.
	I was going to do another half maybe in six months or something.
	And it's not trending well.
	The cardio is good.
	The heart is willing, but the legs are not able at the moment.
	I was going to make a very funny joke that would immediately get me canceled that I will not make in terms of what the half marathon is in relation to the full marathon.
	Kyle, I'd introduce you, but you've been on at least once.
	Twice now.
	Just refresh everybody's memory as to who you are.
	Yeah.
	So husband, father, American citizen, all those things have always been relevant to me.
	And then before that, I was an Air Force guy.
	I was a paramedic.
	I've worked in sales.
	I've done, I've done a bunch of things.
	I've managed restaurants and I worked in finance and a movie studio.
	But people remember that I worked at the FBI from 2016 until 2022.
	And I'll say I was relatively unceremoniously canceled just after sort of the inciting events, January 6th.
	Then it moved forward into a Biden presidency, which resulted in a COVID mandate, which I said no to.
	And as I was saying no, they also put out this crazy thing saying they were going to investigate parents at school board meetings.
	And I was like, that seems like a real problem because the attorney general said they weren't going to do that.
	So I brought that to Congress and found myself 14 months without pay, unpaid suspension, eventually a termination proposal of which I resigned prior to getting or something to that effect.
	But end of the day, I stopped being with the FBI and I started a podcast.
	And that's what I do now.
	And I also, I'm an unpaid government transparency activist is what I told people this morning, which is really true.
	It's about 75% of what I do.
	About 25% of it is podcast prep and actually broadcasting and making any money out of it.
	Well, we're going to not only not forget the money side, getting sued, which we're going to get.
	Have you been on since you got sued?
	I don't think so.
	Oh, dude.
	Okay.
	Well, we're going to get into that as well.
	Look, okay, there might be a lot to cover.
	It's going to all, I guess, not necessarily dovetail, but intertwine along the ways.
	I think they're related.
	Yeah.
	The bombshell report that Steve Baker came out with.
	It was a Friday of last week.
	It was over Friday night into Saturday morning.
	Okay.
	And that bombshell report purports to have identified the January 6th pipe bomber who in a twist unforeseeable to many turns out to be a woman.
	Turns out to be a woman.
	I don't actually know what her name is offhand, and I don't really care about what her name is.
	Yeah, it's not relevant, really.
	It's not a famous name, so it won't matter.
	Well, that's the thing.
	It's not a famous name.
	There's going to be some serious questions as to whether or not it's actually her, whether or not Baker and others are going to get sued, because I make this joke.
	If she's innocent, she'll probably sue.
	If she's guilty, she sure as hell is going to sue.
	And then it's not even going to be a question of whether or not she is the pipe bomber.
	It's going to be a question of whether or not Steve Baker beyond the gate analysis that he did, which we'll get into that, can prove that it was her.
	I don't think they'll ever be able to prove actual malice against Baker because it's not only did he not act with actual malice, he seems to have done every due diligence that he could have possibly done in order to, as reasonably as possible, confirm the story.
	Tell us how he did it, who she is in terms of position, and then we're going to get some more questions.
	How did he do it?
	Who is she?
	All right.
	Well, she's a former Capitol Police officer and was a Capitol Police officer on the day of January 6th.
	Prior to that, she's not real clear about her earlier work history, but sounds like she worked there for about four years and change and then transferred over and is currently working in the protective right wing of the CIA, kind of what they call force protection.
	So she provides physical campus security in an armed role.
	I have another friend who has actually been part of her in-brief.
	She does some of the in-brief, says, hey, you know, this is what you might find if you're on the campus and these are some of the fake badges people have used to try to access Langley and so on.
	So we've confirmed that she works there by, you know, visual analysis, second party, et cetera.
	I've got some friends in the IC.
	So that's just kind of the way that works out.
	And I actually remembered her.
	She's a memorable person because she's about 5'7, which is relevant.
	She's a athletic young lady and she was a Temple soccer star who had a catastrophic injury in 2015 per the reporting that Steve Baker did.
	Apparently required surgical intervention, some pins in the leg, never quite the same when you have that kind of a break.
	And that was kind of the end of her soccer career or shortly thereafter.
	But anyway, she was a D1 athlete.
	So she was physically a stud when it comes to that.
	She's of male size at 5'7 as a guy who's 5'8.
	I recognize that being kind of a thing.
	She's relatively tall and she's athletic and she's physically fit and so on and so forth.
	So people really have always been kind of curious.
	They felt like she might be a woman as they evaluated a lot of the grainy and crappy footage that the FBI put out.
	But the question was, was size is kind of on the iffy end of things.
	And then the garments weren't necessarily feminine, which you would want to do if you were trying to hide who you were walking around knowing you might be videotaped.
	So all that's there.
	She also was one of the first people to testify in the January 6th trials, including in the first trial of a January 6th rider.
	And the guy's name escapes me, but it's like Gee or Guy something, something.
	He's out on Twitter talking about it a lot.
	With the tattoos.
	Does he have tattoos on his neck?
	Great question.
	Don't know.
	I saw all of his posts.
	I know his name by sight, but like I said, it just wasn't all that relevant.
	Apparently, she was one of the first people to testify.
	She was also a trainer in their less than lethal program.
	So that's the crowd dispersion type stuff, the rubber bolts and the pepper balls and whatnot.
	So she was a trainer and using those.
	And then she was also cited for having been using those in a way that is not consistent with the way that people are trained.
	In other words, you can use less than lethal force in a way that's dangerous and potentially lethal.
	Great example, Baton.
	If I hit you in the hand, I'm not going to kill you, but I'm going to change your mind.
	If I hit you in the arm or the elbow, I'm not going to kill you, but I could change your mind.
	If I hit you above the shoulders, I could do fatal injuries.
	And so pepper balls and pepper and rubber bolts are all the same ways.
	You keep them below the shoulders, usually keep them below the nipple line or below the waistline so that you know that you're going to distract and make people go away without causing long-term physical serious injury.
	And apparently those were not the way that they were being used on January 6th.
	IC is into is the intelligence community, just so everybody knows.
	Yeah, we say USIC, just so people understand that's a formal recognition of what ODNI covers.
	So the Office of the Directorate of National Intelligence is the top office of the USIC or United States intelligence community.
	And there are both DOD assets under there that people are familiar with.
	And then there are non-DOD assets as well that are the civilian agencies.
	And so there's 17 or 16 or 18 or something like that of them.
	Now, she currently works for CIA.
	One of the questions Barnes and I were querying about yesterday is when did she start working for the CIA, if there's a way to verify that?
	Six months after January 6th, though, sometime in the summer of January of 2021.
	So she was not to anybody's knowledge, this woman who is, you know, who is identified by Steve Baker, innocent until proven guilty.
	And I say that like, not even for the legalese of it.
	Yeah, just true.
	You know, one of the major risks is if you identify the wrong person, you know, innocently with good, of good faith or not, they will get, especially under these circumstances, there will be backlash.
	And from what I, you know, I presume that she's deactivated any at all social media to deal with that.
	And did and did prior to.
	So that's something that happens a lot of times when people go to the CIA.
	So this is just in general, not specific to this woman.
	But I was discussing with a retired FBI agent today who spent time at headquarters, worked in the counterintelligence sphere, was talking with another retired FBI agent.
	This is kind of the things we get to do and you find out people saying funny things.
	They had read Steve Baker's story and they were like, well, of course she's at CIA.
	And I go, well, what does that mean?
	And the guy goes, well, that's where we put people where we want to make them disappear because the CIA actually does have the mechanisms by which to get rid of social media, to go back and scrub things for what it's worth.
	I didn't verify this because I don't have her address and it's actually not really my story to run.
	But it sounds like they went to the Blaze actually tried to validate by going on Google Earth and looking at her residence where she currently owns it.
	And not only is her name not on the deed or the title and not only is she not on the tax records, which is very unusual, by the way.
	That means you're either in government or law enforcement.
	They actually have a blur where her house should be when you when you view the neighborhood.
	So it's like neighbor, neighbor, blur, not.
	And so the CIA does have access to do certain things to protect their people, which you kind of want, but it also is kind of a giveaway when you find out that your neighbor's house is blurred and you look at your own on Google Earth.
	You're like, well, what do you do?
	Why is that like that?
	No, but it's wild actually because like, look, there's, there's 2D, 3D, and then there's multi-D.
	And I'm definitely not at the multi yet.
	I say like, oh, they reward her with the position at the CIA.
	It's like, it's like being promoted.
	No, it's really a lateral thing.
	So I talked to Chief Sun today on the phone, and I don't think I'm going out of on a limb by talking about what he said here, but it's not generally speaking a promotion or even like a more prestigious position to work in force protection for CIA than it is to work at Capitol Police.
	And that's not to say that people at Capitol Police don't move up.
	I think it's kind of like at the bottom rung of where federal law enforcement comes in.
	But the CIA force protection, there's a group called FBI Police.
	They're like basically armed federal security guards for FBI buildings.
	Pentagon force protection, you know, there's a step up when you move into what's called the 1811 criminal investigator role.
	That's what I did as an FBI agent.
	And so people leave the basic sort of force protection and or perimeter or security or campus security roles to become investigators.
	And that is a move up.
	And so you can step into an investigator role and you might do that at any agency, whether it be CIA or whether it be at DEA or ATF.
	And, you know, we used to have this joke on the Quantico campus when I was attending training.
	They said, you know, the thing that all the DEA trainees and the FBI trainees have in common.
	They all wanted to be FBI agents.
	So that's the ongoing joke.
	There's kind of like these inner sort of agency rivalries of who's the best and why.
	And Secret Service does it with FBI as well.
	And kind of, so long and short, it's not really a promotion to go over to the CIA.
	It is a relatively lateral and potentially even a lower reputational move.
	No, but that's why I say like that, you know, my two- I just wanted to clear it up.
	Well, then, but that's clear.
	And that's actually very relevant info because a 2D, you know, checkers are going to say, oh, it's a promotion.
	Well, no, it's not.
	It's actually just a way to make someone disappear so that after they've done what they needed to do or were instructed to do, it makes it even more difficult for anybody, FBI, FBI, I presume as well, to investigate these people.
	They wouldn't want to investigate or they would not even, I don't know, be allowed to investigate CIA.
	They can.
	Yeah, they can if they can, if they can find out.
	And here's the thing: she was at the Capitol Police when the FBI was sending me out into the field to her neighbor's doorstep only a few days after January 6th.
	This I want to get to as well.
	And people are going to say, How can you prove any of what you're saying, Kyle?
	And skeptics are going to say you're a Fed and this is disinformation control opposition before we even get there.
	So we never figured out the five years under four years under Biden never figured out who the Jan 6 pipe bomber was.
	But my goodness, they found Granny up in Alaska who took a stroll through the building.
	In comes the new FBI.
	And I know you've had your, you have an ongoing beef with Cash on the one hand, but also Dan Bongino on the other.
	And I, I, I, I, I'm public, I like Dan.
	I trust Dan.
	If, if, if this FBI is corrupt and crooked, it's not under Dan's authority, and it sure as hell is not with his blessing.
	And I do wonder if he's hand-tied, gag-tied, zip-tied, and can't say anything.
	Just I'll disagree with you on that politely.
	And I have some information that's not mine to give out just yet.
	But when that story comes out, I think one, you'll be, I think you'll be frustrated based on the principles that I know that you hold, particularly about the First Amendment.
	And secondly, I think that you probably will agree with me.
	But I'll just say that the entirety of the FBI, there is no significant difference between that FBI and this FBI because the FBI, historically speaking, has always done what the FBI does.
	It looks out for the interests of the FBI.
	And embarrassing the FBI is the single worst crime that you can do.
	I did that.
	I'm persona non grades because of that.
	Like that's my big sin.
	It's not that I went out and did a whistleblower activity or that I used to work there or anything else.
	I've said things that have materially damaged the reputation of the FBI to include showing what they were doing when they knew that they shouldn't have been doing it too.
	And that's always been the issue.
	So just no, no, I appreciate that.
	And look, I'm going to.
	We can, we can, we don't have to.
	I don't need you to agree with me.
	I just want to say that that's my belief that you will eventually agree with me in the future, just not today.
	No, and then I can say my future cope is going to be, well, you know, when someone is not the director, they don't get to call the shots.
	And as I address that too, yeah, please go for it.
	Okay.
	So this is really, and this actually goes into the story.
	Okay.
	On January 6th, 2021, there were three people that were at the top of the FBI.
	January 6th, 2021.
	This is the day of the January 6th.
	The director is a man named Chris Ray.
	That's familiar to people.
	The deputy director was a name named David Bowdich.
	People are not familiar with David Bowdich, but he was considered a very good deputy director.
	And he was an agent's agent in a lot of ways.
	I had very, very little interaction with him, which makes sense because I was a frontline agent and he was the number two in the FBI.
	But I did ride a plane with him out to Portland in 2020.
	And he didn't know that.
	And I surveilled class/slash followed his little group.
	He had two guys that were his special assistants.
	And he's a really recognizable guy.
	I don't know if he's like 6'4, 6'5, or something like that, but he's big.
	He probably weighs, you know, 240 plus.
	He's a big, muscular, you know, beefy, what you think kind of an FBI, square jaw, kind of almost flat top hair.
	And he also, we're all wearing masks in 2020 in the airport, unfortunately.
	And he had a G-Man mask that had a guy wearing a fedora and a trench coat and had a silhouette of a Tommy gun.
	That's what he was wearing on his face.
	So he was pretty recognizable.
	And I knew he was the deputy director because I saw his, you know, his special assistants and all this kind of stuff.
	And we had just come out of the Portland field office.
	So I kind of followed them through the airport.
	I think we did that in like Denver, maybe.
	And we go and we check in on the same flight.
	This is just an aside and fun.
	But anyway, we check in on the same flight.
	He checks in because he's carrying a gun.
	And that is not always the case for deputy directors because sometimes they're like, whatever, like I'm too advanced.
	I'm senior management.
	I don't need a gun.
	He was a gun guy and he carried a gun.
	And I think he was probably carrying a Glock 22 40 caliber handgun.
	And it's a good size gun on a good size guy in his suit.
	So that's cool.
	Like for an agent, we like seeing our leadership carry a weapon when they're agents, not when they're not.
	So he goes and checks in and I go and I check in and he doesn't know anything about me and I show my credentials quietly and he's standing off the side talking to those guys.
	And I said, Mr. Bowdich, sir, do you think we can save Portland or is it just going to burn?
	And he turned around, having no idea who I was, hearing just a cold question.
	And he looks at me, kind of sizes me up, gives me a smirk and he says, seems about 50-50.
	What do you think?
	And I said, yeah, that's probably good enough.
	And he goes, well, what field office are you working out of?
	Were you with the SOG team out there?
	So he was a regular guy, interacted with me, a regular guy.
	David Bowdich was the number two.
	The number three was a guy named Paul Abate.
	And Paul Abate became the number two in the FBI when David Bowdich unexpectedly retired on January the 29th of 2021 with no warning on a Friday afternoon.
	His official retirement was on the 1st, if you go look him up on the Wikipedia page.
	But he actually sent an email out in the afternoon about 4 or 5 p.m. Washington Field Time.
	He sent out this no announcement, no warning.
	I'm retiring effective today.
	I'm out.
	Thanks so much for the time, y'all.
	And then he went and left.
	And Paula Bate stepped in.
	And Paula Bate was famous and he's been reported by multiple people, including major news outlets, that he got reporting from inside the FBI from former guys saying, you've got a workforce that is basically sympathetic to what happened and that the January 6 rioters, they don't think that they did nearly as much wrong as people are acting.
	At the very least, they think that there's an analogous situation between the Summer of Love and the BLM riots and what happened at the Capitol on that day.
	You're not getting a lot of workforce buy-in because generally speaking, FBI agents tend to lean libertarian, conservative.
	You know, they're not all registered Republicans per se, but a lot of them, I would say the majority of FBI agents are pretty conservative types.
	That's just who's drawn to law enforcement.
	The majority of the FBI as a whole is not.
	So we have this kind of interesting clash where the agents are different than the analytical personnel and the professional staff.
	So for people's awareness, this guy, Paula Bate, came in, and I have it on pretty good authority from people that were on the call.
	He said, if people are not willing to get on board with prosecuting the January 6 rioters, like they're a national security threat, then they'd better find a new effing job, something to that effect.
	Not very nice.
	And that basically this is the way this ship is going and either get on or get off, you know, get out of the way.
	And a number of senior agents retired after that happened.
	We had a number of senior agents that were like, I'm eligible for retirement.
	I'm not going to work under Paula Bate.
	Paul Abate was the guy that went all the way right up into the edge of Patel and Bongino coming in.
	This is all relevant for one reason.
	The number two in the FBI is the most powerful person in the FBI, bar none, hands down, not even a question.
	When they know the FBI.
	But if they don't, which is the way Dan Bongino went in, and I'm not.
	If they know as in, if they're connected, if they've been there for a while, that's a position that requires institutional knowledge.
	So while I've had my personal disagreements with Dan Bongino, I'm not going to impugn his character going in there because I don't think he was set up for success.
	There's no way he could be successful.
	He didn't have the requisite skill set, not by any fault of his own.
	I imagine Donald Trump asked him to do it.
	And what do you say?
	The right answer would have been, sir, I'm not the right guy for this job because I don't know how to do that.
	This is not my agency.
	But at the end of the day, he was not going to be successful because he does not know the FBI.
	And you need to know who is who, who's known who over the period of 20 plus years that it takes to become the deputy director.
	But I do know that he's been working against this particular story and I don't like it.
	And I think that's going to be problematic because he's doing what the FBI does.
	It covers for the FBI.
	Well, if this is true of Bongino, and I say if, you know, to the extent he might have wanted, he might have wanted, might have been better positioned for Secret Service.
	For sure.
	And the thing is, this, he's good law enforcement and they're doing good work in terms of child trafficking, you know, criminals, drug dealers, et cetera.
	They're doing the same work.
	And so, David, if we're being totally fair, the assessment of all these extra arrests that they've pushed out there, all the plans that they've said, they've just given them different names.
	They've gone after sex traffickers in the, in, in the FBI forever.
	They used to call it Operation Cross Country.
	Let people go look.
	They've done it for like 16 or 19 years.
	They do a big push about child trafficking.
	They go get a bunch of things, but they don't do it nationally.
	It's called Operation Cross Country and it's a local thing.
	So each individual field office does it and then they put out their numbers.
	What this group did is they put them all together and they said, we've done it this much nationwide.
	But the FBI has never been that concerned about social media messaging or numbers.
	Also, the 28,000 arrests that you heard Cash brief in the presidential brief the other day.
	I've heard the retort is a number of them were Biden era prosecutions.
	Well, that's always true.
	Yeah.
	I mean, that's like multi-year prosecutions of what the FBI does.
	But like most of what those, that big bump in arrests were ICE arrests.
	And so the FBI is real careful about what they say.
	They say arrests that the FBI participated in.
	And to participate in an arrest as an FBI agent means that you were also there for the brief.
	It means that it wasn't your case.
	You didn't have to be the person to even slap handcuffs on.
	If you were on the ground when the thing was happening, then the FBI is going to take credit for an FBI arrest that they participated in.
	And they claim it is a statistical accomplishment.
	So they can basically get the budget saying, look how many arrests we get.
	Like give us more money, Congress.
	So I'm just trying to temper some of the numbers because this stuff has been a social media spin job, a PR spin job.
	And if anything else, the difference between quote unquote this and that FBI, which I don't think is material, they have been way better at doing PR.
	And they've been really, really aggressive at doing it specifically on right-wing media that you're going to consume and people that follow me on social media do as well.
	So I did.
	It was a while back that Scott Adams put out that they got, you know, eight of the top 10 on the most wanted list.
	And then, you know, people, even people on the right were like, now that, you know, there is only two or three.
	A lot of these were gotten prior to the new FBI.
	Set that aside.
	I can debunk that when you do too.
	People can go to my Twitter.
	No, that's easy.
	It has been, I mean, not debunked.
	It was, you know, it was say overhyped, but set it aside.
	If what you say is true of Bongino, then it would be even more true of the director, Kash Patel, the director of the FBI and Kash Patel in particular, who also didn't have an extensive history with the FBI.
	So you got two newbies coming into an organization, an institution, which as far as I'm concerned, I think it's irremediably corrupt.
	And I don't, and it's the place where I have disagreement with both Cash and Dan.
	I don't think it can be reformed.
	Agreed.
	Patel saying, you know, let the cops be cops.
	They're not cops.
	I had an FBI agent reach out to me a couple of months away from retirement, and he just said, I'm so sick of them saying we're cops.
	We're not cops.
	We're FBI agents.
	And this is a former cop.
	He was a cop who did cop work.
	Then he was a state trooper.
	And then he was an FBI agent.
	And he's ready to retire after 20 years in there and has utmost respect and has worked with local cops.
	FBI agents are not cops.
	They've never been cops.
	They may have been previously in another life, but the iteration, the job is 1811 criminal investigator.
	That's the GS code is 1811.
	And the job title is criminal investigator.
	There is no such thing as a special agent.
	A special agent is like your ability to actually implement government policy as a limited agent of the federal government, aka a special agent.
	So we call them that and that's our title.
	But the job is criminal investigator, which is the, it's more equivalent to being a detective.
	But detectives work with cops.
	The FBI does long-term, basically complex investigations that nobody else should be able to do because they don't have the bandwidth.
	They don't have the backing.
	They don't have the removal from local politics to be able to do it.
	That's the gauge, the job of what an FBI should do.
	And it used to, it used to be that you couldn't do bank robberies.
	And it also has multi-jurisdictional capabilities that don't, we don't have that problem anymore.
	But 1935, if you want to go to like the inception when the Bureau stepped up and became what it is today, we didn't have mutual aid.
	We didn't have common shared frequencies.
	We didn't have the national incident management system.
	We didn't have NCIC to be able to share warrants nationwide.
	What you had was somebody would rob a bank in Texarkana and then they could go to, you know, they could go to Arkansas or maybe they'd run over to Oklahoma or they'd go down to Texas.
	They'd go to Louisiana.
	They'd run all over the place and they would go from county to county and skip out on county sheriff's capabilities.
	They'd outrun the radio, which only reached the people that were in that county.
	They'd hit the line and then they were in a new safety dome and then they would do another crime.
	And so the FBI theoretically was going after interstate crimes that there no other agency could touch.
	We've basically eliminated that with the internet, with all these other sort of federal programs and the fact that the FBI maintains a warehouse of arrest warrants nationwide.
	And once that was the case, I would actually argue that we've outgrown a need for the FBI.
	There's a big argument for that.
	We can do that on another show.
	Yeah, but let me ask you this.
	Hold on a second.
	It was the FBI.
	Sorry.
	So Cash and Dan come in and you're dealing with an FBI.
	It's the same rank and file of the FBI that persecuted the Jan 6ers.
	It's worse than that because it's really the key is it's the same management.
	And those are the like the rank and file at the end of the day.
	We call them brick agents.
	That's your GS13.
	That's your frontline agent that does the investigation or does the surveillance like I used to do.
	Like the brick agents mixed bag.
	Most of them don't even know.
	They're not even going to know that there's controversy about this case of the pipe bomber.
	They'll never even read the newspaper.
	I found out guys didn't even know Hunter Biden's laptop existed years after the fact because we were talking about it.
	It was brand new to them in 2022.
	They're like, what are you talking about, dude?
	Like, huh?
	You know, they just, they're just not aware of it.
	Like they'll hear big stories, but if it doesn't involve their work, they don't.
	Like a lot of Americans, heads down.
	The people that listen to you, that listen to me, they're nerds.
	You guys, you're nerds.
	We love you.
	And you're the people that want to know.
	Obsessed over specific issues.
	Like this is, I said, I'd be doing this one way or the other.
	It's just, you know, it's a miracle.
	It's blossomed into what it has.
	Correct.
	That's why you say it's the FBI administration.
	Nothing changed in the FBI or very little when Cash and Dan come in, but they're literally working over the very same people who persecuted the Jan 6ers.
	And the management who got selected and all the roles that they got selected in were signed off on by who?
	The previous deputy director and the director, which means that all the management structure going all the way down to the bottom tiers were placed by the guy who just left under Chris Ray.
	That's Paula Bate.
	And so you've got all of these folks are still there.
	That doesn't mean that they don't, you don't get like a stray bullet where a decent human being gets into FBI management.
	I'm sure there's a couple of them out there.
	But at the end of the day, the people that put their hand up and say, I want to be a first-line supervisor, I think I'm done investigating cases and I'm the guy that's going to tell people how to and supervise other people investigating.
	There's a certain type of person that does it.
	The best is someone who's done it for 15 years.
	They're a subject matter expert in their field and they go from being a white collar investigator.
	Now I want to be a white collar supervisor because I'm going to help mentor the next generation.
	That's like 8%.
	It's really small.
	Mostly what it is, is I've been doing this for five and a half years.
	I'm ready for a pay raise.
	I want to skip 10 years worth of promotions in pay and I'm going to go right to from GS13.
	Instead of going 13, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, up to 10, that's the pay grades.
	I'm going to go from 13, 1, 13, 2.
	I'm going to be a 14-1 and I'm going to have a major bump in pay that I will never have to lose.
	And then I'm going to climb into management.
	We have a name for them.
	In the FBI, we call them blue flamers.
	They're the people that light the blue flame on the afterburner.
	They are the least qualified.
	And what they do is they touch every job that they have to for the least amount of time possible to get up to the top of the ladder.
	And they're the worst people.
	David, they are the most miserable human beings.
	You meet them and you're like, ah, blue flamer.
	You'll get a new boss and somebody will be like, who'd you get?
	And be like, oh, this.
	And they'd be like, oh, that's a blue flamer.
	And it's not coincidental that blue flame is also BF, which also is the same thing that the people in the military refer to as the Blue Falcon.
	And I'll just leave the rest of the colorful language behind for people who are enlisted and know what I'm talking about.
	But BF is a very specific pair of letters.
	And Blue Flame was chosen because of the afterburner.
	They're awful.
	And they still work there.
	All of them do.
	Like they didn't get rid of the name.
	And now that we say this out all out loud, and everybody understands this, there was no FBI investigation into the Jan 6 pipe bomber for the three and a half years or four years that Biden was in office.
	There was a four-year cover-up.
	In come Cash and Dan.
	And Dan, who had his own sources, you know, throughout the years and of his show talking about what went down and who he suspects, et cetera.
	There was a three and a half year cover-up.
	And now you get a new FBI coming in.
	How the hell does Baker, and I'm not saying that's like, well, how does a low, how did Baker, in his own mind, crack the case?
	How did he even associate this woman with being the pipe bomber?
	Because the FBI arrested Steve Baker.
	I just want you to consider the FBI fired me and I made a vow to my wife and my kids and my family and my friends that they made an enemy of Kyle Serafin.
	I will pursue whatever I believe is righteous against this agency, no matter how much, no, how, how much it hurts or how much not fun I have doing it because it's not fun, by the way.
	It's not fun at all.
	And I think Steve Baker made the same decision because he and I have talked about this.
	They came to him and asked him to spike the story, to do certain things, to not engage with certain people, to not ruffle any feathers, the classic kind of access journalism that people do.
	This current story.
	For sure.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	And when that happened and people told him to play nice, I know that he had a conversation, a really aggressive one at a very late hour with people who are senior FBI management.
	They know who they are.
	They know that this happened.
	And he told them unequivocally that you arrested me and you guys are the bad guys until proven otherwise.
	And since they have not rooted out the problem, and by the way, I rooted for Cash day one.
	I had Cash's phone number the day that he got confirmed.
	He used my words to defend himself when he was out there in front of the committee doing that, you know, that confirmation hearing.
	I heard him say things that he asked me, what should I hammer home on?
	And he hammered home on the thing that I told him.
	I was 100% behind the guy because I thought, shoot, I know the FBI director.
	We're going to get the thing done right.
	I also gave him 20 pages worth of a spreadsheet layout that was sourced by multiple retired FBI agents and several FBI whistleblower, the ones who have been reinstated and apparently are like back in the fold, even though they're not.
	They're still getting screwed over, by the way.
	Another story another time.
	But we brought them 20 pages of here's how you root out the corruption.
	Here is how you get it done.
	And this is the way you make it stick.
	Because what you cannot do is go out and just willy-nilly fire people.
	They're federal employees and they'll win their lawsuits.
	They eventually will win.
	And so you'll just be stuck in litigation over terminations when you could mitigate and eliminate the problems.
	And they didn't do it.
	And by the way, I offered him an exec, a deputy director, not Dan Bongino.
	I said, this is the guy you should choose.
	He spent his life working on it for the last several years.
	He's a whistleblower who actually won.
	He retired from the Bureau.
	And all he wants is to make it right.
	And he'll walk away from it in six months.
	He doesn't want the job permanently.
	You can put anyone in after that, but let him help you fix it because he knows the bureau.
	He's been fighting against FBI administrative policies for several years.
	He's an attorney.
	He's a retired agent.
	And he was asked by Kash Patel personally, will you be my deputy director?
	And my man said yes.
	And then he just ghosted Kurt.
	He asked him to drive down to the inauguration on January, was it 20th?
	And he never called him again.
	And so the FBI people inside the FBI who love the FBI, I call it the Mutual Admiration Society.
	So I think you can appreciate that term.
	The former FBI who's whose reputation is 100% reliant on the FBI being credible, they circle wagons all the time.
	That's what they do.
	And so it's the side.
	It's called the Society of FBI Agents.
	There's another group that's called the FBI Agents Association.
	And their job is to get close to the director and basically say, we'll bring the agents along with you and we're going to be on your team.
	But here's what we need and here's what we want to do.
	Now they're at odds again because he started firing people because I've been embarrassing him because I know how they play.
	And so I've single-handedly gotten myself into a lot of heat and I am definitely a target of the FBI director currently because I've been exposing it.
	He doesn't know what he's doing.
	I know who works there and he doesn't because I still got 10 times as much experience at the FBI than either Cash or Dan do.
	And that's not a brag.
	That's not that much.
	But they've only been there for like eight months.
	Well, they don't really know.
	Been there for eight months.
	As far as I can tell, haven't cleaned house the way, OGZ, Harmee Dylan has cleaned house the way RFK has managed to clean house.
	And I don't know if it's just not possible.
	I don't know if they actually have sincere faith in the institution.
	I don't think anybody watching does.
	And this is my fundamental disagreement.
	It needs to be disbanded entirely, not reformed, which it can't be.
	I mean, I don't know what I agree with you.
	Like, yes to that.
	I don't know what percentage of rabid TDS that are still there.
	But so set that aside.
	Baker obviously has not a vendetta.
	It's just he has been wronged by this FBI.
	Correct.
	When they went after him for January 6th, he gets, how does he get wind of the story?
	I guess, I mean, I could ask him, and hopefully we'll be able to at some point, but you're sure he will.
	Yes.
	You're heavily featured in the article.
	I mean, how did it come to be?
	They had to have known that this woman was, if it's her, and even if it's not her, they had to have looked into this woman, and in which case they've had three and a half years either to investigate or to cover up.
	How did Baker discover this?
	I'll just blow your audience's mind right now because I discovered this this afternoon and I'm going to speak about it in sort of vagaries.
	But they interviewed and cleared this woman, I believe, in on January 19th of 2021.
	I think they cleared her two weeks after the after the event.
	Cleared her of any and all pipe bomb-related suspicions or any wrongdoing whatsoever?
	No, of pipe bomb stuff.
	But the fact of the matter is, is that there's no logical reason why they should have.
	And if you go look at Tom Massey, I don't know if you want to do it right now.
	You can go look at Tom Massey's timeline, probably his most recent tweet.
	I know Tom Massey just got some information that caused him to tweet this.
	And I'm aware of what that information was.
	And I wasn't aware of it until this afternoon.
	This is the craziest thing.
	Five years ago, I was on a surveillance team that was tasked to identify and what's called Pattern of Life, a person that was described as person of interest three, now that I've reread the documents.
	And I referred you to Tom Massey's sort of like four-year update, which came out in January this year.
	I've got that in the backdrop as well.
	Is if this one here, third of the minutes, FBI, CIA, Capitol Hill Police Department are implicated in this story.
	It's been out for three days and still no response.
	Man, yeah, Massey's going to make more enemies.
	FBI Director Kash Patel, AG Pamponi, CI Director, Speaker Johnson.
	More details of the story will come out soon.
	And then Baker, this is the actual story.
	Yep.
	He's quoting the story.
	Yep.
	Okay.
	Do I have fully briefed on this story?
	He knows the back stuff that has not been made public, including a lot of information that will help answer questions, but they're not, it's not available yet.
	It's just really not, it's not a story that everybody can go out there because there are other equities that are involved here.
	If you can imagine the United States intelligence community, it probably slants 80% to the left in my experience.
	And I think that's probably not a bad estimate.
	Intel people made, you know, each individual agency may have different liens, but overwhelmingly, people who do Intel are highly educated.
	They're intelligent people and they tend to spend a lot of time in university, which leans them a certain way.
	They also think that government is a solution to things, which is the opposite of people who are sort of libertarian constitutional types like me.
	So I went there knowing that I hated government.
	And that's just an overt statement.
	I do not like government as a solution and I never have, but I'd rather it be in the hands of someone who hates government as a solution and wants to have a light touch.
	You got a video going.
	Yeah, I don't know if it's funny.
	In Rumble Studio, the guest doesn't hear that.
	So I'm trying to pull this up as you're talking.
	Yeah, that's fair.
	That's fine.
	You won't distract me if you want.
	I can continue saying it.
	But basically, long and short of it is, I never was a big fan of how government does business.
	It's not my jam.
	I think that it's the worst solution to every problem, even if it turns out it's the only solution to the problem, which is like law enforcement.
	It's the only one, but a necessary evil that should be kept as small as humanly possible.
	Correct.
	So I want to get back to the clearing for in a second, but there's other things.
	She's only, you know, Baker's identified her.
	We'll get to how gate analysis, whatever.
	Set all that aside.
	This is indeed the FBI officer.
	Is the one who is arguably but not arguably employing uh arguably not less than lethal force on the crowd.
	So Baker, Baker's argument is that she was doing targeted shots.
	That so that that.
	That is that whether or not she is the pipe bomber, that's the she definitely was involved in in um, shooting uh less than lethal munition weapon systems at uh people in the crowd and their analysis of it says the trajectory was actually aimed at heads.
	So they're making an argument in that, in that video that has been assessed by use of force, experts that testify for a living, special operations, guys who have done this overseas and riot control at UM embassies and so on, and also people who have been involved in shall we say lightly like color type revolutions, because we do those sort of things as a Us government, and so they've got people.
	They said there's basically two ways you can use them.
	You can employ them as designed, which they are actually listed on the devices.
	You know they must be shot at a certain level, at a certain trajectory so as to keep them within the less than lethal parameters.
	But like I gave the example, my baton that I have, I got a click baton.
	It could be used lethally if I were to take a head strike.
	So there are ways and I was taught in the in the FBI Academy.
	This is a less than lethal tool and yet there are ways that you can use it when lethal force is allowed.
	Then if i'm up close and i'm, and deadly force is authorized, then I can use it as a head strike.
	It's not what we we we hope for.
	It's a worst case scenario.
	But with these crowd munitions you can shoot a tear gas canister at the ground, skip it off the ground and leave a bunch of you know tear gas in a crowd and they disperse.
	Or you could shoot into somebody's chest and knock them out cold and have them hit their head on the concrete and maybe kill them.
	So this is the way that you can use, like the 40 millimeter launchers and so on, so they can all be used wrong.
	And we saw the videos of the guy who had a hole blown out in his cheeks.
	He got hit in the face with a rubber ball.
	So this is the woman who is alleged by Steve Baker to be the pipe bomber who set up that pipe bomb for the next part of this plan.
	Who's out there, ostensibly arguably, but not arguably uh, trying to provoke a reaction from the crowd or, she'll say, responding to the crowd's violence.
	I think it's definitely more the former than the latter.
	Okay fine, how did Baker get her?
	She was investigated.
	They they, three weeks in, say she's not the pipe bomber.
	I would love to know why they even suspected she would have been the pipe bomber.
	At the time I said, you know, presumably if she's innocent it would, and I don't say people have to prove their innocence, but if she's innocent she could say, look, I wasn't there.
	You know, I was on vacation, which you can't say, because she was on the Hill on january 6th, that's right.
	Uh, what was she?
	What was the knowledge of her proximate physical temporal to the pipe bombs themselves?
	Um, they traced her through all the, they traced the person through video that has not been made available to everybody, but Steve Baker has basically seen more of the Capital CCT footage than anybody on the planet and his team between him and them have done more than anybody else, period.
	Uh, they also have access to sort of i've kind of heard it described as a semi-autistic type guy, but like a very fixated high-level capability, kind of that weaponized autism that we love, like 4chan.
	But yeah, like there are certain people that just they have a fixation with a certain thing and they just know things about it that are scary.
	Like you've seen that guy that does the Youtube videos right, and what is he he like?
	Takes a picture and then he triangulates the angle of the sun and the height of the grass, the probability when they found uh, Shia La Bouffe's he will Not divide us flag based on mountain range patterns.
	These people are real.
	They exist out there and they are hyper-focused on certain capabilities.
	And they usually end up finding themselves if they're functional individuals or like able to make a living, usually in an engineering type field or something that scratches that itch that they have in their brain.
	And so this guy is a professional video engineer and does that for a living, but also became like basically obsessed with the fact that the FBI in particular, but the federal government in general, was putting out garbage video and downgrading it by frame rate and by aspect ratio, which seemed to be hiding something specific.
	And so he was basically obsessed with finding the answer to what this problem was.
	Who is this person that did the most terroristic thing on January 6th?
	And why have we not found them?
	When the FBI is pretty good at finding people to include finding people because they had specific earlobes, which is one of the crazy stories, you can actually type in earlobes and January 6th, and you'll find a story where they identified a guy specifically based on the way that his earlobes connected to his head.
	And they were able to, you know, confirm that.
	So gate analysis is a thing that is not necessarily commonly known by people, but it is a very real biometric.
	And you can validate it with your own searches.
	If you want to type in DISA into any search category and then type in gate analysis, you'll find that even as early as like 2016, 2017, the Defense Information Systems Agency, which does all the biometric sort of identifiers for the Pentagon and the DOD, they were using gate analysis as a pilot program.
	This is going back eight years ago to be able to say this is a unique biometric identifier.
	And what it does is it measures a human body's physical size and space and the way that it occupies size and space, especially if you have a phone on you.
	It's really, really good.
	But they actually helped identify Osama bin Laden through partial gate analysis.
	That goes back 16 years ago.
	So you can find that there are plenty of instances of using this.
	And it's underneath the category that our intelligence agencies use.
	I've also been briefed on some things.
	Like a body fingerprint.
	It's like a fingerprint of the body.
	Yeah.
	So it's hip flexion.
	It's extension.
	It's knee bend.
	It is going to be height and weight are obviously part of it.
	Your cadence, your variability of your cadence.
	It's also the length of your stride.
	So all these things can be calculated.
	And you obviously, the more sophisticated the computers and the better the video you have, the better you could do gate analysis, but it's measuring angles at a constant rate, like how straight does your knee get?
	And these things are very specific to people to the point where you can actually do it.
	And then the human comes in and says, okay, well, how else would we be able to explain this?
	Do they have a slight limp?
	Do they have one foot that's longer than the other, et cetera?
	That's what I was getting when you had mentioned the catastrophic sports injury.
	Does that affect the way, set aside the suspect Jan 6?
	Does that affect the way this woman actually walks on the day-to-day basis?
	Yeah, she has a pronounced right leg drag.
	And they have video of her, of course, on duty as a Capitol Police officer, because you can identify people from their uniform and they have their name.
	So they're on duty in the place they're supposed to be at.
	So that's her overtly.
	You have her on the soccer pitch and when she was younger, both before and after the injury, because they televised some of these games and there's video footage of it.
	So they did analysis of that, as I understand it.
	And then lastly, you have the, you know, whatever the FBI has put out, plus whatever they are able to find through the CCT footage from the Capitol Police and what Loudermilk's committee has put out and Massey and the oversight guys that were trying to look into the answers on January 6th.
	So all of these things came together and they were basically pinging this thing, but she has a couple of specific things.
	First of all, you can suss people out by height into a certain category, but people that are too tall or too short, it's pretty easy.
	And then build was helpful.
	Now, the person that was wearing that seemed to be in heavy clothing, like, you know, hoodie, sweatpants, et cetera.
	So that could be one way, but it doesn't change the degree to which your knee bends.
	And a computer can actually assess where your body is based on the way that your bones actually interact with the clothes you have, whether you like it or not.
	Every angle that you have is going to give some little version of it.
	We've got crazy computers.
	I mean, I'll just tell you that six years ago, seven years ago, I got briefed in a skiff about the NSA's capabilities, which are absolutely mind-numbing.
	And they're like, what they can tell about you from the things they pull off your phone, your education, your relative IQ, your left eye or right eye dominance, like whether or not you're left or right-handed, how tall you are, how much dexterity you have in your limbs.
	And that's just because your phone has an accelerometer on it and it has a precision GPS and like all this other crazy stuff.
	We're giving away all this stuff for free, by the way.
	Everybody who carries a phone, and I'm no different than you guys, I got a phone here too.
	Like we're handing out our biometric footprint to a level that most people have zero concept of.
	And there's these weaponized autists out there and some of them work in marketing because they want to sell you a pair of jeans and some of them work in the intelligence agency and one day they may want to drone strike you.
	Well, I just assume it's all out there.
	We get to see all this.
	Dude, now I'm understanding something, Kyle.
	Hold on.
	Thomas Massey's report from it was it was early this year.
	Yes.
	Where what page is that?
	I can't see it on my screen, but it's page 60.
	Yeah, top of 61.
	Yeah, where it's at the top of 61, where it says in the weeks following January 6th, the FBI directed significant resources towards investigating person of interest one, person of interest, I'm sorry, person of interest two and person of interest three.
	For example, the FBI placed both of them, one and the two and three, under FISUR or physical surveillance by the FBI.
	I mean, Tommy, pause, you read it there.
	It's Pfizer, just for your awareness for future.
	And then you wouldn't know that, but it's Pfizer for that's what we call it, which is physical surveillance.
	And the next thing you'll read is this Washington Field Special Operations Group.
	That was my squad.
	That's my team.
	I did that.
	So go.
	You, you, how, like I say this.
	I'm that guy.
	I'm one of the, I'm one of like eight people that was on the team that did that.
	Fisher.
	This right here, like footnote 305.
	Okay.
	So yes.
	And it says the FBI also obtained grand jury subpoenas for the cell phone data associated with person of interest two and person of interest three.
	So they have it, presumably, phone numbers and issued preservation requests for their, I don't know what that is, their bank.
	What would that be?
	I can't ask you because you probably know it.
	What's that?
	Bank records?
	Yeah.
	Oh, the things that they block.
	Those are probably like the actual what we call selectors.
	So this is either like an account name.
	So it might be a social media account in there or a specific phone number.
	So they'll blank those out because it's PII, personal, personal identifying information.
	With the help of USC, United States Capitol Police, the FBI also tracked the movements of two unidentified subjects, person of one, two, met while walking.
	Okay.
	On January 19, 2021, FBI agents interviewed person of interest two, ultimately eliminated that person of interest.
	According to a summary of the interview obtained by the subcommittee, the FBI learned that person of interest two traveled to Washington, D.C. to attend First Amendment activities on Capitol Hill on January 5, and that throughout the day, person of interest two photographed, quote, objects bearing numerals, end quote.
	I want to know what that means, including doors, dumpsters, and other objects, and intended to use these photographs in a book he was writing.
	Kyle, I'm going to ask it.
	If you know, and I don't want to get you in trouble, but I don't, I mean, if you answer, you do.
	Is the he a she?
	I think that that information was written by Tom Massey's folks after reviewing whatever the FBI was able to give.
	And I think that's a, I think that's a lazy pronoun.
	I don't think it was, I don't think it's identifying in this case because the document here, so we have to look what we're looking at.
	If you look at the footnotes, they're, they're referencing like probably a 302 that came out of the FBI's piece.
	And the FBI guys are going to be real careful about it when they write it.
	So it's going to say person of interest, person of interest, you know, POI1, POI2, POI3.
	And then it'll just say, you know, he slash she.
	That's usually what they do.
	If you're going to not give a specific, you just say he, he slash she.
	Or they.
	I mean, that's where you.
	We don't do they.
	We do he when we're writing.
	It's, there's actually like a like a rubric for creating anonymization as you write these things up.
	Because if you use a they, you might think that there are multiple people and not a correct.
	Okay.
	It turns out we actually have sensibilities there.
	So yeah.
	So that's likely, I think it's a lazy pronoun that was done by whoever Massey's editor was on that.
	I don't think it's indicative that there was a male.
	I think that's just, you know, it's like, well, who dropped the bomb?
	Well, he obviously did.
	It's like, well, who's he?
	He's like, I don't know.
	We got to find him.
	It's like, we got to find them.
	Did you investigate her in particular at the time?
	I did not, but I wasn't doing the investigation.
	I was doing Pfizer.
	So what I did was sat down outside of a door and was looking to pattern the life of the person that was identified as person of interest three, from what I can tell reading that information.
	And I didn't know them as person of interest three.
	I knew them by their name and their date of birth, their social security number, their car, their license tag, and their parking spot.
	You're sitting outside their house surveilling them, surveying, and they don't know it.
	Of course.
	That's what I did for a living.
	I did that for like, I did that for three years.
	Why do you think that I would notice?
	Because I look at that sounds like a deer, Kyle.
	I'm just telling you, here's the reason you wouldn't.
	I get out to walk my dog.
	I look at roofs.
	I look in cars.
	When cars come by, I look at license plates.
	Yeah, we know that.
	Yeah.
	So if we see that you're particularly alert or a surveillance conscious person, we just put a plane over you.
	I'm very short, so you can't actually see that from my body.
	No, but really, this is what we did for a living.
	You have a team of six of eight people.
	Defeating individual surveillance is actually relatively easy.
	Defeating paired surveillance is actually not too hard either.
	Defeating a team of six or eight, the only way you're going to notice it is the same people, the same vehicles over time and distance.
	And I'll just tell you, we had dozens of vehicles we could swap out, none of which are particularly alerting.
	None of which are federal type vehicles.
	I worked out of a freaking black Mazda MX6 for a while.
	Those are the most suspicious.
	So not MS6, sorry, RX6, the whatever the little speedy SUV.
	So yeah, I worked out of a minivan of justice for a while.
	That was my favorite.
	I love the beat up minivan.
	It's not the people that you think are doing surveillance.
	They don't look like cops other than I look like this, which is.
	But so now, who, well, without identifying, who are you surveilling and what's the relation to the person who Steve Baker has identified or alleges is the pipe bomber?
	Right.
	So as you read through that document that you got over there that Massey put out, what we find out is that apparently somebody had a metro card.
	And I think that's person of interest three is identified in there.
	I was unclear about who was three and who was two because I didn't call them that.
	I just called them by the name.
	And honest to God, like that was all like inside.
	So there's like outdoor doing surveillance.
	And then there's the indoor dogs that are doing the casework and building the file.
	The stuff I did was all unclassified, transmitted by email and phone and whatnot.
	So we're sitting out there taking pictures, trying to find out, does this person come out of this door?
	And if so, who are they?
	Where are they going?
	What are they up to?
	Who do they meet with?
	You know, can we follow up on them?
	Can we take license plates for a meeting for lunch?
	You know, that kind of stuff.
	Like, you know, do they have a family member that lives with them?
	Are there any dogs there if we have to do a search warrant?
	Like, this is what, this is what Pfizer does.
	We identify cameras and pattern and when do the lights go on?
	Cause we're there at 4 a.m. and the lights kick on at 5.45 every morning.
	So we know when they wake up.
	And, you know, this is what I did.
	I mean, it's a lot of it's very boring.
	It's like sitting in a deer stand trying to figure out what animals walk by the deer stand.
	So I told people a lot, it's like hunting in some ways, except it's people and you're in like an urban environment.
	So we were there to find out about person of interest three as I read it.
	And I had to reread this.
	I didn't know that person by the name.
	And we sat and stared at a door.
	And the person that Steve Baker identified five years later lived next door to the person that I was staring at the door of on January 13th and January 14th when my squad was tasked with the surveillance.
	Okay.
	So, but what conclusion do you draw from that?
	It could be one of two things.
	She's unrelated and you were on the door because it was the right door or it's one hell of a coincidence.
	Well, the reason why that we were tied to that door was that the person that they observed in the CCT footage running around in the Capitol in Washington, D.C. came home and used a Metro pass.
	In D.C., they have a public transportation and they have the turnstiles like you've seen in any of these sort of subway systems, whatever.
	And they have regular trains that go out into the suburbs across the Potomac and they end up in Virginia.
	And so the rail system has a stop.
	The person used a metro card in DC and then exited using the same metro card, which is what you'd expect, heading out and dropping out in Falls Church, which is noted in that document there.
	So, this is open public record at this point.
	That metro card belonged to person of interest three, or at least was paid for by person of interest three through a credit card that the FBI was able to run down.
	And so, the person that they were watching for the pipe bomb subject had a metro card that was paid for by the guy whose door I was outside of.
	And that could be any number of things.
	Like, maybe they're a neighbor and said, Hey, neighbor, um, can you have a metro card?
	I'm in a rush.
	I got to get one.
	And it's like, Yeah, here, use this whenever I have an extra one because they're not expensive.
	We're talking about a couple of dollars.
	Um, it could be a Christmas present that somebody gives you.
	What do you give to somebody you don't know that well?
	Or you're like, Oh, here's a gift card, or here's a metro card.
	Like, I know you use the metro, it saves you 50 bucks or whatever when you go into the train.
	I don't know why, why that person had it, but the buyer of the metro card was the person that I was watching, and the user of the metro card apparently lived right next door.
	And we found that out like last week for the first time.
	Okay, so you did not know until Steve Baker comes out with this that I was watching the door next to the person that he had identified.
	And when I told him that, um, first of all, we both had an MF moment very loudly, mostly me.
	Um, and we're looking at that, going, What are the odds that my friend who's out here who's been like a dog with a bone for almost five years running down this thing, which was the single most terroristic, unexplained story of January 6th?
	This is the person who didn't get a pardon, as far as I know.
	This was the real deal.
	This was like something bad happened, and the FBI still has a half million dollar reward out, which Dan Bongino shared not a couple of days ago.
	Well, I mean, I it wasn't a tiff.
	Brianna Morello put out the response to the FBI, the FBI's response to Baker's report.
	And I said it publicly, and I mean, I talked with Brianna, it was a non-response.
	People get mad at Brianna because they think she's somehow like no, no, she put it out there because she thinks it's funny.
	Um, I mean, I talked to her afterward as well.
	Like, she's this is her tongue-in-cheek humor, which is that it's an absurd statement that they're not going to acknowledge that there's been a huge allegation in the case that's been publicly done.
	Um, I know, I believe, I'll say, I believe, I won't say I know, I believe that there is a huge amount of um activity happening at FBI headquarters trying to figure out how to handle this, but they don't have a good answer because there is no good answer.
	Because the FBI would have had to have done one of two things: absolutely criminal incompetence, like negligence to a level that Americans should be outraged and should burn the building to the ground.
	And then, the second version of it would be that they were actually involved in a specific cover-up underneath the last administration, in which case they should burn the building and level it, and they should salt the earth, and nobody should ever have an FBI again.
	So, we don't really have a good answer to this, which is why they're struggling with messaging.
	And I think you're going to find that they're going to keep trying to figure it out, which is why I made a joke on my podcast this morning.
	You know, call 1-800 FBI tips as soon as you can and give them an idea.
	Like, they need something, they got give them a tip on how to spin this because there's no easy way to do it.
	And the allegations are damning.
	Well, that's well, I actually wanted to get to that because, yeah, I do believe it's damned one way or the other.
	But, may I did I ask why you were surveilling a person of interest three?
	Like, what was the yeah?
	So, the tie-in was we knew that person of interest three was the purchaser of the metro card.
	Okay, that and that, and that took us to their door.
	But as I recall being briefed, and now this is five years ago, so there's there's a small possibility that I have this wrong, so I'll just admit that that's you know, you remember certain things, you remember, I know that we were there, I know the door was correct.
	Um, this is going to be validated later, so don't worry about this.
	There's there's obviously written proof of this, but I don't currently have it in my hand, uh, or at least they don't have it for anybody to see.
	We were uh, we were tracking down the person who had bought the actual Metro card, and also, as I recall being briefed, the person that picked up the person in the hoodie did so in a vehicle that also was registered to the same person that bought the metro card.
	So, metro card buyer and maybe carpool buddy picks up hoodie, and hoodie is um, you know, our unknown potential bomber.
	And it turns out that they were next door neighbors based on what Steve Baker has shared.
	So that's that's that's the thing that he made the link in in their story.
	And I think it's just that alone is astronomically bizarre.
	If you've ever been to Washington, D.C., there are hundreds of thousands of personal residences, hundreds of thousands to live next door.
	It's a um, uh, what's the movie now?
	It's a Magnolia intro scene level coin.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And it is also Magnolia, everything was connected at the end of it, which is also the other piece of it.
	The problem is this: the FBI is not that incompetent.
	I'll just dispel those rumors as somebody who used to work there and is not a big fan.
	And I have no problem telling you the FBI sucks where they suck.
	And there are plenty of places they do.
	Mostly like setting up people for counterterrorism cases and doing like entrapment stuff.
	But casually, casually making allegations.
	Where the FBI does not suck is finding people.
	We had incredible success on my surveillance team where they would give us a picture of somebody and tell us we think they drive a four-door vehicle, no further information, or we think they move around in a white vehicle, live in this neighborhood.
	Good luck.
	And we'd find them, I would say, like at a crazy rate, like 85% of the time, we'd find the person and the house and then we'd report back to the case agent.
	Okay, looks like they're shacking up with this person.
	Does that address mean anything to you?
	Oh, yeah, that's like baby's mama's, you know, whatever, boyfriend or something.
	You're like, oh, okay, whatever.
	So we would find people illogically frequently, I would say, just because of if you do things well enough and you have enough information, you tend to get lucky more frequently.
	And we're well prepared for that.
	We find kidnap victims.
	I've had friends of mine that were working on what's called the CAST system.
	CAST is the computer analysis survey team, I think.
	And so they do cell phone exploitations and tower dumps.
	They'll have police working on something for several days and they'll give it to one of my, you know, the people that works CAST.
	And they'll be like, okay, I think you're going to find a body right here because this is where that phone went before the killing and then immediately after the killing.
	And so they scouted out a dig site.
	So they find people's bodies that have been missing for a long time when the right tools are applied.
	The FBI is actually pretty competent at finding people and yet couldn't find this pipe bomber, which meant to me from the beginning, something funny was happening there.
	And it was, and everybody else feels the same way too, by the way.
	The data is corrupted and we don't have access to this stuff, like all this other stuff.
	Meanwhile, the cell phone providers are going, we do have access to this stuff.
	It is not corrupted.
	What are you talking about?
	No, I'm just, I'm putting a couple of things together as you're talking now as well, because first of all, how much does a gate analysis cost?
	Like, it's got to be expert videos.
	Well, this is, this was being done by an um, either a part of our U.S. government or a contractor therein, is my understanding.
	I don't actually know who did it.
	And so, and I haven't actually seen the work.
	I'm taking Steve at his word.
	Yeah.
	So I presume for like an IQ test is not, you don't take the online courses.
	You need someone to, you need professionals to analyze.
	Oh, this is, this is as, I think this is going to be, this is as good as it gets.
	Look, and so somebody shared, he shared with me one of his sources comment on it, who was a 30-plus year, you know, Army Intel professional.
	And the guy said, basically, with less than what you've given me, I would take it to my ops commander and I would tell JSOC to execute a capture kill on this person.
	Like that's how, that's how good the analysis is on what they've done.
	And it's not just the analysis of gate.
	That just puts you in the ballpark that says that this person is a match.
	Then you got to actually say, do they have like the access to that space?
	And some of the access that's really specific is we kind of know that this person has to be either a Capitol Police, a congressional staffer, or a member of Congress, because the pipe bomber, as tracked through all that video that Steve Baker and his team did meticulously for literally years, hits several office buildings, like the fair, I think it's called the Fairchild Building and the Longworth Building, I want to say.
	It's actually detailed in one of their stories, but hit two different congressional office buildings and had access at hours that people the public do not have access to.
	So you know that you're going to already be in the ballpark of a certain type of person actually is able to get in there, or they know somebody there.
	So your sphere of influence is not all people under the sun.
	It's people that can get into this building in off hours, which is a much smaller pool.
	And so as you start narrowing those things down, you've got some more and more specifics, right?
	And so some of that is part of it.
	And then, you know, was this person in the area?
	Were they physically there?
	As you said, did they actually exist in Washington, D.C. or have access to?
	We know that we know that she did.
	And now I also pulled up the part of the report where, sorry, wrong way, where it talks about vehicle of interest, one carrying the gray hooded wet sweatshirt passenger.
	And I presume that is the vehicle of interest that you might have been.
	As I understand it.
	Yeah.
	And again, like those reports are coming from summaries of something.
	And I got somebody else's summary who did it five years ago.
	So I'm doing the best I can with memory.
	The upside is all this stuff is documented.
	And I'll tell you something else that's really wild because this is also worth people understanding.
	The work I did was oftentimes boring.
	And a lot of times it was not with particular meaning.
	In fact, I was just talking to one of the guys that was on my team a minute ago before we went live.
	And I said, did you ever find that they pulled us off to save resources where they were like, we don't want to waste your guys' time.
	We're not going to have you sit out there and watch a house for no reason.
	And he was like, no, quite the opposite, actually.
	I found that they would put us out there as a CYA mechanism to the point where we would sometimes not even be required to do surveillance.
	They just wanted us in the area in case they needed like some agents.
	And we were those agents that could kind of hang out and we're used to sitting in our cars for eight hours a day and peeing in a bottle and eating our lunch off our lap.
	Like that's what I did.
	I mean, just like realistically, I sat and watched people through binoculars and different optics, talked to aircraft on the radio, talked to my friends on the radio to follow people.
	And we were really excited when you decided to go drive to like 7-Eleven, because that's like, now we get to move subjects on the move.
	Like now we're moving.
	That's way better than just sitting there and bored.
	I got to ask you, how much did you get paid while you were doing that?
	Because that sounds like, I mean, unless you love what you're doing, that sounds like the most tedious, ass soaring work ever.
	Yeah, no, it's totally tedious.
	It's the, it's a lot of people thought of it as the worst type of work in the bureau.
	The reason, so first of all, you get paid the government salary.
	So as a GS 131, you're making like 120.
	If you're not living in DC, DC is like 130, 135, something like that.
	So it's not bad pay.
	It's somewhere, you know, once you get to the level where by the time I was there, I'm making, I don't know, 100, 110,000.
	I'm not getting rich on it, but it's, it's, it's part of the work because you're doing something that has to be done.
	It's patience.
	And the reason you do it, David, the reason you do it is because when someone moves and you get to follow them and you get to execute the skill set, like we were like liquid doing that stuff.
	You had no idea we're following you.
	And there's a thrill in that, like chasing game.
	It's fishing with humans.
	Yeah.
	Well, it's, I think it's more like stalking and hunting.
	And because you're literally sitting there for like ages waiting for your prey to actually come out the front door.
	When that door opens, it's like game on.
	Your heart rate jumps up.
	You go from sitting there at like 60 beats a minute while you're listening to a podcast.
	And suddenly now you're at like 98 beats a minute and your eyes are locked in and you follow the person.
	And so it is actually exhilarating when you get to do that, especially when you're following people that are doing weird stuff.
	Like I followed people that were targets of corruption probes, police officers that were taking bribes or, you know, prison guards that were getting money from inmates and smuggling in drugs.
	And so you follow those people and that's super exciting.
	And you get to break the traffic laws and nobody knows why you're doing it, but you're in a minivan doing like 110 miles an hour on I-95, passing everybody in a lane you shouldn't be in.
	And, you know, just there are things that are fun, blowing through red lights and going into the right-hand turn lane and sipping through because you got to catch up with your team.
	And so there are moments that are very exhilarating and fun.
	And most of it is incredibly boring.
	But let me just go to the point, which is that I have sat in a snowstorm when the government was shut down and all government agencies, including the ones that were quote unquote essential, were not going to work because it was dangerous roadway conditions for anybody to go to work.
	And I've sat in my car freezing my ass off watching a Muhammad.
	It was like some guy named Muhammad, but it was the wrong Muhammad, it turns out.
	But we were watching a guy named Muhammad because the FBI thought he might do something terroristic.
	And then they found out five days later that there was a different Muhammad.
	They got the wrong guy because he had similar names.
	So they put us on that guy and we sat on him for two weeks, never generated a criminal case, never generated any evidence.
	They would put us there on the outside chance that that guy decided to get operational and do a terroristic threat.
	So they could say, We had Pfizer, just like you read in that little summary.
	We had Pfizer on it and we committed significant resources to making sure the American people were safe.
	We had Seraphin and eight other guys that were sitting in their cars with ARs and body armor and handguns and the willingness to act.
	So we tried to mitigate this threat, even though this person hadn't committed a federal crime.
	It was standard for us.
	I recall sitting for two weeks on a quote-unquote white supremacist case in Virginia, where this kid lived in his mom's basement and he was in his 20s and he didn't have a car and he didn't own a gun.
	And as far as we could tell, nobody in the house owned a gun.
	There was not real obvious ways to tell, but it probably wasn't likely.
	And he had no way to do anything violent.
	And his biggest activity, which we got super excited about doing, he would walk to 7-Eleven once or twice a day to buy like junk food and then go back and play his video games.
	And we sat on that guy 24/7 for two weeks.
	We always held surveillance longer than necessary.
	This surveillance was done for two days and it was discontinued as far as I can tell on either, I think it was January the 14th, they discontinued it.
	And then five days later, they did an interview.
	Normally, what you do is you hold somebody under surveillance, you do the interview, and then you go watch them afterwards to see what they do.
	That's a very normal tactic where law enforcement will come knock on your door, have a chat with you, you'll get spooked.
	And then the first thing you do is call your handler, call your friend, call your buddy who's got the money from the drug deal, you know, call the doctor who's given you the pills, and then you run and do something.
	And that's where we get our money.
	That's where we make our money is you do the interview and then we follow you.
	So not to give any secrets away, I think people should understand that.
	It's in millions of movies.
	This is like open source stuff, but that's what happens.
	People all act the same way.
	They didn't hold surveillance on this person, did the interview and cleared them and never went back.
	And I know they never went back because my friends were on that team for literally years afterwards.
	So this is the million-dollar question.
	Is it going to be if it's not the right person, would the FBI come out and say, confirm it's not the right person, or would they confirm that they cleared this person?
	Well, I think the FBI is in a really rough spot.
	And so I don't know what they would do, which is why they don't know what they would do.
	And I'm not able to help them either.
	They're in a spot where they can't figure it out.
	The gate analysis that came out at 94% per computer and 98% per the human thing has to overcome a bunch of questions that are so specific.
	Here's where the FBI is screwed.
	Because I think there's a high probability that Steve Baker is correct to the point where I feel very comfortable with the story that he has and them quoting me in it.
	And knowing that I was there five years prior, it actually makes it way, way stronger.
	It's even stronger than that.
	And I think that in the coming days, that may actually be apparent to people because it's not like I was there and I didn't generate paperwork.
	It's not like I was there and they didn't generate a case file.
	And as you see, they actually said they interviewed this person, which means there's an interview.
	I think what you're going to find is that, this, which is what I was quoted in the story, is saying, I said, you know, holy S, they covered it up.
	I think that they moved this person to that.
	This was like a, this was a bad idea theater that actually went down and the FBI did what the FBI does.
	They found somebody in about a week.
	Because what is it, January 13th when we were doing surveillance?
	That was a couple of days, seven days after January 6th.
	That's about the, that's about the timeframe that it would take for you to find somebody that you had absolutely no idea.
	You got zero running, you know, head start with no, with no threat analysis prior.
	It would take you about seven days to run somebody down and put some a team like mine in front of your door.
	And if they were in front of that door the second week after January 6th and then cleared it in under two weeks, only to find out that Steve Baker scooped them on a story that somebody had to know was a was a real cover-up.
	That is the real problem that I think the FBI faces.
	I don't even, I understand you're trying to steel man the other side of it.
	And what do they do and how do they answer it?
	The answer is, I don't know, because here's the other problem: the deputy director of the FBI, who by all accounts was an honorable human being and was like liked by agents, he left a couple of days after this happened.
	And I don't know that they're related, but I've never gotten an answer.
	And I've had a lot of colleagues say, Have you ever seen a deputy director leave on a Friday with no notice?
	They tell that they trumpet this stuff: like great guy, superhero, you know, party come in.
	He's served for so many years.
	He's the number two.
	He's one of us because the deputy director is one of us as an agent.
	That's the highest-ranking agent.
	The director is not us.
	He's like some other guy.
	That's Chris Fray.
	That's that's Jim Comey.
	That's Kash Patel.
	You're not an agent.
	The agent's agent is the top guy there.
	That's the number two.
	That's why people hated Paula Bate when they did because he was not one of us.
	He was the infiltration that was the swing that Peter struck the Andy McCabe types that went in there that were very different than us, the regular brick agents that just wanted to do, you know, catch bad guys and drive 100 miles an hour to go make sure that somebody didn't commit a crime or blow something up.
	That's a different kind of person.
	So Paul Bowdich or David Bowdich went away and Paula Bate stepped into that role.
	He was the number three on that day.
	And I don't have an explanation for that, but I can imagine somebody said, We're going to be doing this.
	This is how it's going to go down.
	Well, but and then and then Ratcliffe becomes director of the CIA where this woman has been still working.
	And then the issue is going to be Ratcliffe is a Trump.
	Like I'm just sealman in this.
	It's if it's not her, they can't.
	It doesn't have to be director level.
	This is not a director level thing.
	Somebody made a phone call.
	This is my ex okay.
	Here's here.
	Let's let's like theorize the likelihood of this.
	I think this is the most likely working theory from what I can see.
	I think that somebody inside the Capitol decided that this was a good plan and executed it with a willing friend, a willing individual.
	How much support behind her is the real question.
	And that's what should be fleshed out.
	I think that you have the critical piece of the middle of the puzzle is who that person is.
	Now you got to find out who you're talking to, who helped you out, who asked you to do what.
	Was it on your own volition?
	None of us are going to agree that that's likely.
	I don't think people just wake up one day and decide to do this weird thing.
	Where did you come up with the idea of a pipe bomb of all things?
	It's like, just it doesn't make sense.
	So, okay, who led you to do it?
	And then was that person in a position of power or did they actually have influence enough to pick up the phone call to somebody over at CIA and say, hey, we're moving somebody to you.
	Go ahead and accept this application.
	Because here's the other thing.
	When you transfer to the CIA, in my experience with people from law enforcement going to CIA, which I've, I've got two friends who have done it, one of them was not allowed to come in.
	He had been an agent for over 16 years.
	He worked in a skiff with me and he had a top secret clearance with sensitive compartmental accents.
	And he was not cleared by the CIA.
	He failed their polygraph, which was very specific.
	And so he was actually not allowed to go do the work that he was supposed to go do.
	He was detailed to CIA and discontinued.
	The offer was rescinded for him.
	And I have another friend who did the same thing and his offer was not rescinded.
	And he went to work at the CIA as an FBI agent, as a detailee, because he passed the polygraph.
	There's a polygraph that asks you a lot of questions.
	And some of those questions involve things: have you ever committed a crime and gotten away with it?
	That's one I remember very specifically from my FBI interview.
	And I was like, I broke into buildings when I was a kid.
	And they're like, what?
	And I was like, yeah, I used to sneak into like abandoned buildings.
	And they were like, what does that have to do with anything?
	And I'm like, I don't know.
	You have to commit.
	I knew it was a crime.
	I knew it was wrong when I did it.
	I did it anyway.
	And they're like, did you ever rob a bank?
	And I'm like, no.
	And they're like, did you ever kill somebody, get away with it?
	I'm like, no.
	And they're like, well, that's what we're talking about.
	Like real crimes.
	Did you ever drop a pipe bomb on January 5th and get away with it?
	Would be a indicates deception response, I have to imagine for regular people.
	And if you're going to look the other way on that, somebody asked for that person to be hired.
	The CIA also has the ability to not polygraph people.
	I found out from my other buddies in the Intel community.
	There are people that do not get polygraphed going into the CIA and on purpose because they need certain types of people to do certain types of jobs, as you can imagine.
	It's the intelligence agencies.
	So some people may have to be a little bit more flexible morally.
	And so that's an opportunity too.
	But how do you decide what that's going to be and what it's not?
	I got to imagine the person that's on campus security that's doing like security guard work.
	You're not an intelligence officer.
	You're not doing operational paramilitary planning or going into another country under denied name and therefore a little bit of sneakiness in your background or having done some con artist job or something previously.
	That's not going to play well if you're just doing campus security and you're checking people's badges every day.
	So I don't know.
	All this stuff, there are way bigger questions how far up the chain this goes to me.
	And it's all based on the fact that if it is in fact her, if it's not her, then it wasn't her.
	And, you know, we've reward, which sort of wink, wink, nudge, nudge suggests it's not the right person.
	Well, they're saying that, but here's the other funny thing.
	The CIA actually did put out a statement.
	They did the day they had to do a correction in the Blaze's article, which you can find.
	And the correction was that she did not work on Ratcliffe's detail.
	She worked on campus security at the CIA.
	They did a correction of that.
	Now, that's a really good way to say you didn't get your facts right, but it's not a fact that matters.
	It's completely irrelevant.
	And I'm going to tell you why.
	The people that are on Ratcliffe's detail are part of the security apparatus that exists within the force protection.
	It's just a subgroup that does specific, let's call it, you know, protectee or dignitary protection.
	Here's the other funny thing that those of us who have worked in law enforcement know when the FBI director's detail has exhausted all the hours that they have of overtime.
	Do you know what they do?
	Do they work for free?
	No.
	They get somebody who's TDY.
	No, when they, because there's a cap, there's a federal cap for all federal employees.
	You can't make more than like 100 and what it changes every year, but it was like $175, $180,000 a year.
	You can't make more than that.
	So if you hit overtime, your overtime becomes free at some point.
	You'll still get your regular salary, obviously, but you won't get any overtime pay because you've maxed it out for the year.
	And so there's a time when that happens.
	So what these guys do on these details is they bring in people to TDY, temporary duty assignment.
	So they bring in SWAT guys and other people that have tactical experience and other people that can do dignitary protection.
	And you know where you'd pull from in the CIA?
	You'd pull from the people that are on your campus security capabilities because they're in the same exact little division.
	Those are all your people and they're trained to do this thing.
	So you would bring them in.
	So she may not expressly have been assigned to Ratcliffe's detail, but the odds of her being tapped as a person that could do it every once in a while, very reasonable.
	And so that's where they quibbled with the Blaze.
	And that's really interesting to me when you quibble with something, but you didn't say like categorically there's no way this could have been the case because she's passed our polygraph and our stringent background checks and all the other stuff they could have said.
	Didn't say anything like that.
	They just said, yeah, you got the details of her employment wrong, bro.
	She only works for the division.
	She doesn't have that exact job, but she may have done that job.
	They didn't say she's never been on this detail before.
	What I mean, I guess winding it up, what's going to happen now?
	I presume only because it's the way things go.
	You've been sued by Cash's girlfriend for defamation.
	Sam Parker has been sued for defamation.
	Things that I, in as much as I think some of the statements are, you know, hypothesis, I don't think they're quite defamatory, but that maybe I have a laxer concept of the term.
	I presume Baker's going to get sued or the Blaze, both.
	I presume, but maybe they won't.
	Because I think they won't.
	Well, we're going to see about it.
	You know, I think if she's guilty, she sues.
	If she's not, I mean, she's, we'll see.
	But from an FBI, what are they going to do?
	Like, they're just going to ignore this and they want to, they want to open that up to a multi-million dollar, like a couple hundred million dollar a year company to go and do discovery into her life.
	Well, that's, that's, I just can you actually risk that?
	Do you from a legal perspective?
	Like, you know, actual malice for a single purpose public figure, Baker's MO is the opposite of actual malice.
	Whether or not he's right or wrong, it's the opposite.
	It's, it's as much due diligence as you can do.
	Yeah.
	And they went over, and they have a, they have a pretty capable legal team, as you can imagine, over at Blaze.
	And they, they evaluated this for days.
	And I was yelling at them to go and freaking run with the story when we had more.
	And by the time he called me and told me the address, which is what made them, I think, probably green light the end.
	You know, it coincided a few hours before they actually decided to go forward with it.
	But they felt really confident on their analysis from the contractor or intel agency or whoever they used.
	They had very good confidence in that, the human aspect of it, the video analysis that they had done, basically tracking like time and place and where this person would have been and whether or not this could be even the right person.
	And they felt very good about that as well.
	And the people that worked inside the agencies they've been talking to felt really good about it to the point where they were like, yeah, this is it.
	You know, hence he quotes them.
	And then he called me up.
	And this was on what would have been Thursday, maybe Thursday or Friday.
	I can't remember exactly what it was, but he calls me up and he was like, he goes, We got her address from January 6th.
	And I go, oh, okay.
	And he goes, Kyle, it's 0.44 miles away from where you said you got briefed on the case.
	And I go, okay, well, that, okay.
	So she was nearby.
	I go, what was the street address?
	He goes, I don't know.
	And I go, if I told you, would you remember?
	And he was like, oh, I'm going to pull over.
	So he pulls over while he's driving on the highway, pulls up his file.
	He goes into the background check they have.
	They run like credit reports and stuff like that on people.
	And there's different, you know, companies that'll provide the service for investigators and journalists and whatever.
	They always call my wife first, by the way.
	They always call my wife's number because I pay for all the phone numbers in the house.
	And they'll call my wife and they'll be like, I'm a reporter with the New York Times.
	Like, you know, I don't have a statement.
	She's like, who are you?
	What?
	Nope.
	She doesn't answer.
	But anyway, this woman's thing had an address that was accurate on January the 6th, 2021.
	And so he reads it out loud to me.
	And that's when I did the MFer.
	I was like, they were in on it.
	And he was like, what?
	What?
	What?
	What is it?
	I was like, that's one door away from where I was because I'll not forget that address.
	When you say one door, it's the next door house.
	Like sharing a common wall or like sharing a landing.
	These are row houses.
	Yeah.
	So row houses, row houses are like, you know, right next to each other.
	Yeah, they got a muir mitoin.
	They got, they got, don't show anything that's going to get anybody in trouble.
	Nobody's going to get in trouble for this.
	Here you go.
	Okay.
	So look, this is, these are the doors.
	I've scrubbed the numbers.
	They have a common wall.
	Yeah, they share a roof.
	Okay.
	The door with the black frame was the one that we were watching.
	The door next to it is Steve Baker's subject.
	Yeah.
	In French, we call that a mure mitoin.
	It's a common wall.
	You have to, you know, if there's a problem with the common wall, they both, it's okay.
	That's as close as you can get without being roommates.
	You could spit out one front door if the wind was right.
	It goes in the other door.
	I'm just saying, like, I'm like, they're literally spitting distance away without an exaggeration.
	The, the width of those doors is less than three feet.
	It's, it's, it's eight feet on center of door to center of door.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	That's as close as you can get physically.
	This is not even like my neighbor.
	My name, all the neighbors that live on my cul-de-sac don't live as close to me as that person lives.
	Again, common wall.
	So, yeah.
	And doors that like almost open to each other.
	Okay.
	That's that's pretty wild.
	And for all of all the gin joints in all the world, they chose to pick up the, they chose to put me on the door right next to the one that ends up being this other person.
	It's wild.
	I guess what do you think the next step is in this?
	Or at least, you know, oh, no, we're in uncharted territory now.
	That's the exciting part.
	Like, how does the FBI spin this?
	And here's the problem.
	I have it on pretty decent authority.
	So I'm going out here on the, I don't, Dan always comes out.
	By the way, Dan Boggito goes on Fox and he's always like, this is not a trust me, bro kind of thing, but like, trust me, bro.
	And then he says this thing, you know, just because you don't see it happening doesn't mean it's not happening.
	For me, what we don't see happening is the cover-up is happening because they're freaking out.
	Like, how do you deal with this?
	How do you say that the FBI and how do these guys, after being there for nine months, let's say they had nothing to do with the cover-up end of it?
	How do they go out there and say that we were unable to solve one of the three big cases that we said we were going to solve walking in?
	Dan said it on Fox in his first interview out loud.
	He said it twice, once with Fox friends in the morning and the other one with Barromo.
	He said the three cases they were going to solve was this.
	Cocaine in the White House, kind of irrelevant, but he thought it was a big deal.
	He's a Secret Service guy.
	I get it.
	The other one he said is the Dobbs decision link.
	Who cares?
	Not even sure that's a federal crime, but whatever.
	Well, that's arguable because it is sicking people to kill judges before they issue their decision.
	That's not necessarily an FBI crime.
	Maybe the United States Marshals Intelligence Division tries to figure out who it is because they're worried about like an internal threat, but that's not an FBI thing, but whatever.
	He said he was going to solve that.
	So those are the two cases.
	The third was the J6 pipe bomber.
	And as you, as you noted, when we started, he claimed that there was significant sourcing that he had, that they had a pretty good idea who it was before he got the job.
	So you'd think that was part of the job.
	It's like, hey, you need to find this person.
	Are you on it?
	Are you the guy for this job?
	And the answer is like, yes.
	And then the other, and they're like, no, I'm not.
	To steal man for Dan, you know, or gets in there and it's like, sorry, Dan, you might have known that it was this person.
	This might have been the knowledge that you had from the sources you had.
	It's not coming out.
	And then what is what is a man who wants to save America, help America supposed to do?
	You either.
	Oh, you resigned in disgust.
	What would you do?
	I mean, I know what I would do.
	I wouldn't, if you asked me to do something that I knew was immoral and I'd already given my word to like millions of people that I was going to do something.
	That's a real, that's a real easy decision for me.
	And I already know because I've already done it.
	No, I know.
	I've already done that thing.
	There's nothing worse in this world than being thought of as a liar or actually lying on a meaningful scale, not telling your kid the store is closed so you can't go.
	Yeah, for me, it would have been, you know, resign as well.
	But then you got to do it in a manner that's not going to implicitly or explicitly take down the administration that you still support.
	So like you can't quit in a way that's going to make Trump look like he's got corrupt agents at the CIA.
	It's that's not on Trump has always made bad picks at FBI and DOJ.
	This has been like Trump's sort of like Achilles heel.
	He had people from the first administration that were working in the wrong way.
	Chris Ray was a, was a Trump pick.
	And so to go out there and worry about, like, I, I don't, that calculus is so simple for me.
	Maybe, maybe I'm a black and white guy on right and wrong on certain things, but like I had this, uh, I had an opportunity to not say anything as well.
	And it was like, my wife and I had a real simple discussion.
	And it was the same thing about the vaccine mandate, by the way.
	This is like, and this is not a political discussion.
	I was not going to get it because I believed that it was, it was against my moral principles, which said that as a pro-life person, I'm not going to take something I know is developed with fetal tissue.
	And I'm a Catholic and I become a more and more aggressive Catholic since all this stuff has gone down, but particularly during COVID, I think a lot of people turned to faith if they were people that were inclined towards that.
	And my wife converted to Catholicism.
	We went to the March for Life.
	I heard Donald Trump speak at that March for Life when they did it, the last one they did before COVID.
	And so we were very activated in that spot.
	And so then they came and said, you must take this shot.
	And by the way, all the information says that it was developed with these various different fetal cell lines and they were enabled by abortion.
	And so my wife was like, you can't do that.
	And I don't want to do it.
	And so that was easy.
	And I said, okay, honey, here's what it looks like.
	I'm going to lose my job.
	They're going to say terrible things about me.
	I will not probably find work in my chosen field ever again.
	And we're probably going to have to sell the house because we don't have an income.
	We have no reason to live in New Mexico anymore.
	So our kids are going to go.
	We're going to have to find a new job.
	And I don't know what I'm going to do.
	And she said, yeah, under no condition should you, you know, flex your principles.
	And I went, okay, just so you know, we're probably going to be living in a trailer in about six months.
	And she's like, okay.
	So then we did like find a woman that'll do that with you and you got a winner.
	I got a winner hands down.
	I won the lottery.
	And so we did.
	And so I did that thing.
	And so it was not negotiable for me.
	And so when I say that, I'm not saying Dan should have resigned because like hypothetically, I think that's what should happen.
	I'm like, I'm saying that because you should not do that.
	And I wouldn't do that.
	And so I would hope that Dan would also not do that.
	If they asked him to cover up something like this, which destroyed thousands of lives, not just the J6ers who got arrested.
	I mean, 1600 plus.
	And the ones who took their own lives, the people who have multiple like stains of blood on your hand that you're now going to own because you're going to keep it quiet because what?
	Because you're worried about Trump's reputation who can't run again.
	The answer is this news cycle would end immediately and they would all flock to say that you're the hero if that's the case.
	You walk out and say, I refuse to go along with a cover up.
	And they may kill me, but I'm going to tell you the truth.
	Dan Von Gino is the 10 times the man that he was before he walked in there.
	He gets to go back to anything he wants and he wins.
	So I don't buy that as a plausible, like, oh, you can, you could keep it covered.
	You can't agree to do the wrong thing for like an okay, good reason.
	And, and, and as I said, I did it in a very small way, but it, it destroyed my family's life, destroyed it to the point where, you know, my wife cried herself to sleep for six months.
	And as a husband, I had to look her in the eye, not living in my own house, staying in my parents' house at 41 years old and looking over there going, I don't even know the hell I'm going to get another job.
	I don't know what I'm going to do.
	What comes next?
	It's like, that's still better than telling your kids, I knew something that was completely immoral, totally unethical, and against every moral principle that I stand for.
	And I did it because I wanted to keep a paycheck so you guys could have like a comfortable childhood.
	You know, I don't, that's not me.
	And that sounds preachy in some ways, but again, I lived that and it was pretty emotional for me.
	Like it was like most people haven't walked through that space.
	And anybody who's been canceled because of COVID or made a real hard stand on that and lost everything, nurses who no longer get to be nurses, doctors who don't get to practice medicine anymore.
	A lot of us actually know what that feels like.
	So those who are listening that have that sense, or maybe you gave a donation because you thought somebody in a trucker's rally was a decent human being and that you wanted to support them, even if you weren't going to go out there on the streets and you wrote a $20 check and you got debanked for it.
	The people that had their doors knocked know what I'm talking about.
	If we can go back to that moment, and that moment was not some minor case that the FBI just might have flubbed.
	It was a really, really big deal because it was the most terroristic thing.
	As far as I can tell, it's the reason why there were terroristic enhancements on all those cases.
	It's the reason those sentencing enhancements came down in a lot of ways.
	The argument for terrorism also has to involve something that was both political ideology and serious violence.
	And what was more emblematic of that is that someone indiscriminately left pipe bombs in Washington, D.C. was never caught.
	So that's, that's my long-winded, I don't think there's a good answer for these people.
	We are in uncharted waters what they do next.
	And I think that they also know that.
	And I wouldn't want to be any of these people because they're going to have to either eat the truth and it's going to taste awful and bitter and it's going to be really, really damning, or they're going to lie.
	I think what they're actually going to do is say nothing.
	I think that's the most likely scenario because they're going to hope that the news cycle moves on.
	I've already seen John Solomon out there running a cover piece today about the jet.
	So I think they're going to, they're going to just tuck tail and hope that nobody talks about it.
	I already got canceled from Newsmax, by the way, today.
	I got booked before you asked me to come on and talk to you.
	Newsmax reached out to me and said, would you come on with Rob Schmidt?
	And I go, who?
	And they go, Rob Schmidt, Newsmax.
	I go, okay, what time?
	And so they tell me and I go, yeah, I don't even, I don't know, man.
	I don't go on Newsmax anymore.
	And so I agreed for the first time in about a year.
	I agreed to go on Newsmax.
	And so they were like, cool.
	And then at about two and a half, three hours later, they must have got the call.
	And they're like, yeah, we're going to do this another time.
	Like, we're not going to do it.
	It's like, that's cool.
	I've been canceled by you clowns before.
	Somebody gave him a phone call.
	We're not running this pipe bomber story.
	So you watch Fox News won't touch it.
	Newsmax won't touch it.
	I did a weekend program, I think, on OAN yesterday where they were like shockingly interested in it.
	I had a former FBI agent that listened to what I presented to you as information.
	And he was like, holy crap.
	A guy I've never met.
	I know nothing about him.
	I don't know what his politics are.
	I don't know what he thinks or where he comes from or what his background in the bureau was.
	As you say it, I'm just, I'm just like, get my fat fingers to do this thing properly here.
	As you say it, I just wanted to see what Fox News has reported on this.
	And seems I put in Fox News pipe bomb.
	I mean, that should be good enough.
	Maybe Steve Baker.
	Oh, it's interesting.
	I'll let people make up their own mind on what that means.
	But when you see people that are not covering a story, it tells us volumes.
	And the only people, for whatever it's worth, that are covering it are Julie Kelly, who I think is an atrocious person.
	She's been really, really nasty to me.
	She sent me a lot of like really nasty stuff, including threats personally.
	You had a fight with her and I sided with her in that fight.
	And you had a fight with O'Keeffe and I sided with him in that fight.
	Yeah, here's the other funny thing.
	When I talked about that time when my wife was crying herself to sleep, O'Keeffe offered me a job.
	And I turned down another job to accept it.
	And then he didn't give me that job.
	That'll explain some animus.
	You're wrong in the circumstances.
	Yeah, I know.
	That's part of the animus.
	The other problem is I spent a lot of time in the same room as O'Keeffe when he didn't know that I'm sitting there watching him.
	And I've had probably a dozen people from Project Veritas reach out to me and say, I was completely snowed by James O'Keefe and the person that he was.
	And I believed in what he was doing and the mission.
	And when I saw the way that you looked at him, the way that he was behaving around us, because I wasn't mad for me, like, I don't care.
	Like, James O'Keeffe doesn't mean anything to me.
	Like, I'm sitting in a room and he's asking me to go do something.
	At one point, he goes, we're going to bring on backup dancers.
	They're going to be dressed up like FBI agents wearing jackets and like sunglasses and all this other crazy shit.
	And they're going to go and dance and then you're going to come out.
	And I was like, I will leave.
	If you do that, I will leave.
	I'm not going to come on stage with you.
	Are you out of your fucking mind?
	Excuse my language.
	I'm like, are you out of your mind?
	I'm a former FBI agent.
	I'm a suspended current FBI agent according to the FBI.
	You're going to have people impersonating a federal agent and have me stand up there with the FBI logo.
	Are you freaking insane?
	We're going to all go to jail, dude.
	I'm not doing that.
	And he was like, well, what about if we make them like deep state people?
	And I'm like, I didn't come here for a song.
	You asked me to write a speech for two minutes.
	I wrote you a two-minute speech.
	I'll come out and say it.
	I did what I did.
	You're out of your freaking mind.
	You think I'm going to go out there?
	Get that.
	Julie Kelly's covering it.
	It's where this is.
	Julie Kelly's covering it.
	John Solomon's now trying to like take the air.
	He referred to what I've been doing about talking about the jet as a whisper campaign.
	By the way, his cover, his story is incredibly damning, just in the second paragraph alone.
	But the trusted sources are now that are going to be kind of like the MAGA influencer journalists.
	I don't know what else to call them.
	They've all decided what they're going to do.
	And they're the only ones going to touch it.
	The mainstreams won't touch it.
	The big boys won't touch it.
	You're not going to hear Hannity hit about this.
	Because how do you explain what I told you and the improbability of it?
	It's so improbable that a regular person will go, the odds are completely astronomical.
	And that's before you know what Tom Massey knows, which I also know, which I'm not going to be able to tell you right now because I don't want to get anybody out of sequence.
	But there's more there.
	And of course, this is the Bureau.
	We're talking about a place that has paperwork on everything.
	This is all this stuff is provable.
	And as much as I want to push you on the Massey stuff, and then we'll talk later.
	Kyle.
	Massey was asking for permission to even do that tweet, which is even funnier.
	He was just like, can I tweet about it?
	Well, man, Massey's already, you know, he's made enemies on both sides.
	Yeah, he is.
	Kyle, where can people find you?
	You can find me at kyle serifinshow.com if you want to find me on Spotify.
	I do morning analysis.
	We don't conflict with your show.
	So check it out there.
	You can find me live on Rumble.
	It's Kyle Seraphin.
	It's, what is it, rumble.com slash Kyle Seraphin.
	You can find me over on YouTube and it's at Kyle Serifin there.
	So youtube.com slash at Kyle Serifin.
	And then obviously you see it on the screen probably, but X, I'm at Kyle Seraphin where I don't care what size account you have.
	I will mix it up with you.
	If you want to be respectful and have a discussion with me, let's do it.
	I'm happy to it.
	Or not.
	You don't even have to be that respectful.
	I don't care.
	Send me all of the links anyhow.
	Just DM them.
	I'm going to put them up in the pinned comment.
	And right now, just so everybody knows, I'm going to go raid redacted because I'm well over time in terms of.
	I love Clayton.
	I love those people.
	I'm going to say hi to them and you're going to get pushed over there unless you opt out.
	So I'm going to raid redacted.
	Oh, shoot.
	I'm going to get, I'm going to get kicked out of there.
	I'm going to get blocked again.
	I just, I just put the, let me see if they muted me.
	I did it again.
	Confirm raid before they, before they mute me.
	Oh, gosh.
	I only put the stupid link in their own chat, not in my chat.
	Oh, yeah, that's funny.
	Okay, well, I know I didn't.
	You can delete your own comment over there.
	Yeah, but they have a strict rule.
	They usually, they usually, sorry.
	They should whitelist you.
	They should safe list you.
	We could talk to Clayton.
	Sent the link here again, lol.
	Okay.
	I think they know now.
	I've done it three times.
	Outstanding.
	I'm going to go to locals after this, so I don't expect you to stay for that, but thank you very much.
	Yeah, if you want me for a minute or if people want to ask a couple of question follow-ups, I'm happy to take them.
	I don't mind.
	Let's do that.
	Okay.
	X, goodbye.
	X, I'll see you tomorrow.
	Everyone will be live again tomorrow.
	And locals, we're going to, there's a few chats in there that we're going to get to.
	Let me make sure I didn't miss anything.
	Let's do it over on.
	Okay, I didn't miss anything here.
	I like it.
	Ended on X. Remove from X. Bye-bye, X.
	And now Rumble had a part.
	StreamYard changed something in their layout, and I have no idea what the F they did.
	Rumble, I'm going to take you away as well.
	Come over to Locals.
	There is no paywall today, so there's no excuse not to come.
	Let me just give everybody the link one more time.
	No paywall.
	Yeah, because when you use Rumble Studio, the after party is only for supported by Rumble.
	Yeah.
	And not leave my locals link in Redact.
	That will have all the Riffraff come over there, as my mom used to call it.
	The Riff Raff.
	Okay, so remove and Rumble.
	Bye-bye.
	Okay, Locals.

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