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Dec. 2, 2024 - Viva & Barnes
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Blackmail & Pardons! From Matt Gaetz to Hunter Biden! Live with VillgeCrazyLady! Viva Frei
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Afternoon, everybody.
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I will, when I get my tech stuff in order, figure out a way to merge from the intro song into me with my radio voice and then back to the intro video.
We're going to do a blast from the past, people, because someone I follow on Twitter just put out a tweet that said, when did you realize that COVID was a scam?
And I had to go...
I remember that my...
For the first two weeks, I lived in terror like everybody else.
And I remember it was no later than April 2020 where I started asking some pretty logical questions.
But then I pulled up this video.
This is Viva from the past.
Look at this.
I'll show you an article in a bit from the New York Times.
Is this big to protest?
I didn't even come here for this.
I didn't come for the climate protest.
It just happened to be up the street.
I wonder if the media is going to call this a super-spreader event and say that people don't have the right to do this, to protest against what they believe in.
I'll wait for the media to call this a super-spreader event.
I won't hold my breath.
There's a lot of people here.
This was right where I used to live up in Commie, Canada.
It's an outdoor mental...
is what it is.
Just remember what the media said when we had the lockdown protests, the anti-vaccine passport protests.
Remember what the media said.
If the media didn't have double standards, they would have no standards at all.
And by the way, capitalism is an ice cream vendor at a protest.
Batman has the business plan right there.
So when was this?
This was...
September 2021.
So this is a year after the madness.
But you remember there was that article in the New York Times.
I've actually got to show everybody because if you don't remember it, you would think it was satire in real life.
This was when I remember having a fight with one of my friends, former friends.
And I was like, you know this doesn't make sense.
You're a smart guy.
We went to school together.
You know this doesn't make sense.
New York Times.
Oh, I forget.
I didn't get the article, the date in this.
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What experts say may depend on who's protesting what.
In other words, bullshit.
In other words, absolute, abject bullshit.
I said I wasn't going to start the day with an aneurysm, or rupturing an aneurysm, I should say.
Good morning.
Afternoon, wherever the heck you are.
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Afternoon, East Coast.
Evening, England.
And top of the morning to you, Aussie time.
You remember Village Crazy Lady?
I mean, that's her name.
It's the Village Crazy Lady who does amazingly good work.
Her real name is Mel, but now I forget if I'm supposed to know her last name.
It doesn't matter.
We're going to get to her in a bit.
Who did some amazing work tracking down, you know, campaign, suspicious campaign donations, sort of like the Act Blue on the conservative side, and does great work and has done some great work now laying out...
What many believe to be, we talked about it early, talked about it last night, talked about it years ago, a Matt Gaetz extortion scheme.
We're going to get there in a bit.
And we're going to talk about everything else that's going on in the news, because how the heck can't you?
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Mel, village cat.
Crazy lady, give me the thumbs up when you're ready to come in.
All right.
If you don't know Mel, you should know her.
Once before.
Mel, Laura Dern's younger sister, how does it go?
Good, how are you?
I feel like I'm really focused.
Hold on, I can back it up, but then we end up wasting it.
And this way, when I bring in comments on the bottom, let me see here, it will...
Hard pass on the balls.
When I bring in the comms, it won't cut off our faces.
Mel. Just for context there, Mel.
There was a meat vendor in Montreal, a local guy.
He would come by with his truck and it had good meat.
And then I asked if he had any amourettes, which is the French thing for prairie oysters.
And he says, actually, I've got bison balls because somebody ordered them and didn't.
You know, buy them.
And they were about the size of a grapefruit.
And I understand why the guy might have ordered multiple and quit after one.
Inedible. Now, I'm not the best chef, but Mel.
Okay, sorry.
We have to start on that conversation.
For those who don't know you, who are you?
So I'm just a regular person who likes to look into politics and write about politics online.
So, yeah, I have an degree in political science.
I used to be a paralegal for criminal defense attorney, so I have a lot of experience digging through a lot of minutiae, a lot of detail, looking for things, important things, and then pulling it all together.
And so, yeah, you mentioned I do campaign finance.
That's usually what I do, but with the Matt Gaetz thing, it was a little different.
I was spurred to do it.
Because I just got tired of people saying, oh, we're going to have a pedophile as our attorney general, which was just ridiculous.
And so I initially wrote the thread to kind of give people something to counter when they heard others.
You know, I've had an intro like, you know, when you're going to Thanksgiving with your crazy wine aunt, you know, she's going to be saying this here, you know, give this to her, throw this back at her.
And then the day I was going to publish, he backed out.
It was a little different, but that was initially what I was looking for, was I just wanted to give people a sound response when they heard that, because I actually liked Matt Gaetz, and I wanted to see him.
I do like Matt Gaetz.
I wanted to see him in the Attorney General spot.
So, you know.
And people should appreciate that, you know.
If he has indeed been the victim of an extortion scheme for various reasons, he would be probably a very good person to have as Attorney General who might have a bone to pick with the system as much as Kash Patel has a bone to pick with the FBI.
So I liked him as a choice as well.
I do understand that some people had their reservations about him, but some people cling to this.
Sexual predator rumor that sticks.
I mean, they still think Tulsi Gabbard is a Russian asset from a Hillary Clinton smear from 2020.
The last time you were on, we talked about...
I forget what the name of it was.
It's the conservative version of Act Blue.
What is the...
Win Red.
Win Red.
That's right.
Okay. And so we went...
You did amazing work on that.
When I was looking at Kamala Harris's campaign finances, I appreciate when I'm...
Not able to properly digest the information that I'm receiving.
And I DM'd you, you know, pick your brain about the contribution refunds that Kamala Harris was getting as compared to Donald Trump.
I mean, look, this is not the subject matter of the day, but...
Could you shed something?
Are you able to shed some insights on that?
I don't know how deep you looked into the Kamala Harris stuff.
So I haven't looked into anybody's campaign finance.
I'm not going to do that until next year because we really want the year-end reports to come in.
That's when things will get really settled and we'll get a really good idea because I have a feeling there's actually going to be a lot more that comes in and it always does.
They're literally on the 31st of December.
They're going to drop.
Like crazy.
And so I haven't looked at them really at all.
But yeah, so usually that's a pretty big tell when you see these massive amounts of refunds being done because you can file for a refund for your donations to a politician, but you have to fill out paperwork, right? You have to actually request it.
And so the first thing that ever kind of tipped me off about any This scam, this ghost owner scam, was actually, I was looking at Tim Scott, and he had about $2 million in refunds that he had given, but some of them were for like 30 cents, you know, 50 cents, a dollar, two dollars.
And I was like, who does that?
Who asks for 30 cents back?
Who asks for a dollar back, two dollars?
Who goes through the, I mean, number one, why would you even think that you could get that back, you know?
Which, of course you can, but still.
So, yeah, I haven't looked into it too much, but come next year, the files are due on January 1st, or actually December 31st, and then give the FEC about three weeks to process them.
I mean, you can download the raw data pretty much right away, but it's, you know, it's a lot to sift through, and it's hard on your computer.
If you want to start doing that, just make sure you have...
You have the capacity in your system to do it.
I mean, even guys that do this professionally all the time, they burn through computers all the time.
The data that is currently available is able to be downloaded right now, but there's going to be more that is...
Right. So what's now, I believe, is through the 30th of September.
That's what's required.
Sometimes they'll do like a mid...
Run or a mid-quarter update and whatnot.
But again, that doesn't have to be final, right?
So they can, at that point, they can still just submit what they want to and then submit everything else at the end of December.
Does that make sense?
Yeah, no, no, for sure.
I mean, I presume it's, maybe it's quarterly.
I don't know how they actually do it.
It's quarterly.
So interesting thing, this is general, but...
Anybody can ask for a contribution or refund from a campaign.
Is there a time limit within which to ask for that?
Is it the year of?
Or do you know offhand?
I do think it's within the cycle.
Okay. So you can ask for it back.
You have to go fill out a form and say, give me my money back, which is why, if I may disclose some of your insights to me, someone who donated $6,600, whatever the limit was, if they're pissed off at, you know, I don't know.
Joe Biden lying about pardoning his son.
They might say, well, I want my money back from Kamala.
And so for $6,000, it makes sense.
You go fill out the form, however long it takes, mail it in, and you'll get your contribution back.
You file it online, whatever.
For the $5 or the $1, because somebody in our locals community, Encryptus, thank you very much, he downloaded all the data and tallied all of the people, all of the contribution refunds.
And there were hundreds in the $1, $2, $5.
And so...
I'm trying to even understand the rationale, not of an individual who would do it.
I don't believe an individual would.
What would be the rationale for the fraudulent scheme to try to ask for those micro-donations back?
Right. So there's a couple.
So one is if they're not trying to trip the system, right?
When we're, you know, amateur sleuths like us, when we are going to download the data from Kamala, anything that's under $200 total, so let's say John Smith has given $199, he gave $1 donation 199 times, right? That would not be, he would not qualify for his donations to be...
That's deductible.
No, no, no.
To be, of course, I'm missing the word, itemized.
Sorry. So all of those wouldn't show up when we go and we click the receipt button and we download the names.
But if John Smith goes over, right, 200, he goes up and he gives another $1 and he gets to the $200 amount.
Now all of his receipts have to be.
And they have to be put into the files.
So now we get to download his name, right?
So if you're clawing some of that money back because you don't want to show, how many bots do you have?
Does that make sense?
Yeah. So that would keep down on people being able to see how many bots they're running.
That's one.
Another one is just getting the money back.
If it wasn't used, then they can claw it back and they can use it elsewhere.
So I think those are really the two main ones, is trying to keep the names off of those itemized lists.
Okay, very interesting.
And ActBlue.
I don't know if it was...
Someone told me, explained it was a payment processor.
So a payment processor, but was it you?
Mel, I don't want to...
A conduit.
A conduit.
No, because I had multiple discussions with people in DMs and in real life.
I don't remember who told it to me because I thought ActBlue was sort of like a solicitation entity.
They go...
And is it sort of a hybrid?
They solicit donations, and they also take a processing fee for conduiting those donations to the candidate.
Right. They're kind of like a Swiss Army knife, right?
They do a little bit of everything.
And so they are conduits, which means that they collect the money, they hold the money, then they go through, the path between.
But they are also the payment processors.
So they do get to collect fees there.
And then there are potentially other fees.
If they are hosting the website themselves, you know, they'll get fees for hosting as well.
If they are helping to solicit the donations, right, like they're the ones running the text messages, they're going to get fees for that.
It's a really big operation.
And sometimes...
It's hard if you're looking at how much payment is going to, you have to make sure that it's been itemized or allocated correctly, right?
But yeah, so one thing to really watch is the credit card processing fees because I've seen fraud with my own two eyes.
They are claiming that they're paying 50% in credit card processing fees on their joint fundraising accounts, which is...
You know, just not.
That's not what they're doing.
I don't know what they're doing with the money, but they're definitely not paying 50%.
You know.
The question I had, I don't know if you know offhand, but so ActBlue will take, they take a payment processing fee for the donations through which they act as a conduit.
Someone said they're sort of like a Democrat PayPal.
When the contribution refunds go back out, I think they totaled, there were 10,000, and I think it totaled, it was in the millions, but I mean, it wasn't in the hundreds of millions, so it wasn't like, but Do you know offhand, does ActBlue reimburse or do they have to reimburse the processing fees that they charged to act as the conduit for the micro-donations?
Because my thought is this is a fraudulent way of doing these micro-transactions, reversing them, but keeping whatever fee ActBlue would take out of it.
Right, yeah.
I don't know about that.
I don't know how that works.
I know, you know, normal refunds, I don't think.
I think that the processor does give it back.
So I'm not sure.
I actually can't answer that one.
Well, that was not the subject matter of the day, Mel.
The subject matter of the day is...
Well, we're going to start with Matt Gaetz because I was watching Jimmy Dore's bit going through it and I'm like...
First of all, as he goes through your tweets, I'm like, I got questions to fill in these tweets, and you're not there.
And I said, we'll have you walkie-talkie through your tweets, and then we're going to talk about some other stuff.
Okay, so this is Robert Barnes.
You might know him.
He's the lawyer we do the Sunday show with.
We talked about this a while back, and it was sort of not fleshed out in any meaningful detail, or at least in the same meaningful detail that you fleshed it out with, that Matt Gaetz was allegedly the victim of an extortion ring.
And at the time, I was thinking, okay, it's someone lying about being underage, not someone who is, in fact, underage, but issued a fraudulent license from the state of Florida.
And now, after going through your tweets via Jimmy Dore, we're going to do it today, it makes a whole hell of a lot more sense.
And this is not to condone or admonish Matt Gaetz's extracurricular activities.
Not everybody gets married at 27, and not everyone lives a monogamous life.
I say it's a good way of staying out of trouble.
Matt Gaetz is a good example, but that doesn't make it illegal to be someone who is young and partaking in activities.
And it's an interesting thing where in Canada, to verify someone's age, like, I thought she was overage, is not a defense.
And it always lends to the question, like, how are you supposed to, you're going to ask for a passport before engaging in whatever.
In this case, it gets a little easier because apparently...
He's procuring services from a website where age is supposed to be verified already, but I'm getting ahead of myself.
How did you even get into this?
Right. So I went to go just write a thread about...
It was just going to be something fun, a little cheeky, before Thanksgiving, you know, about this, right?
I'm a fan of Matt Gaetz's policies.
Definitely. You know, I think it's really brave what he did, you know, advocating for Snowden.
That's something that's important to me and which he did multiple times, not just once.
It takes a lot of bravery to do that.
It takes a lot of courage to do that when you're a sitting congressman, because I think he's probably, you know, public enemy number one as far as the government is concerned.
So I like him and I like his other things.
I like his stances on antitrust.
I like and he's just really hardcore America first.
So I did like him.
On the other hand, I get it.
He comes off a little bit sleazy at times, I think.
And then knowing some of the stuff about the partying and the drugs and stuff, this is maybe not somebody that I would associate with on a private level.
But again, we don't get to pick sometimes.
Sometimes you just got to roll with what you got.
And as far as his policies go, I mean, he was good.
For me.
So, or his policy positions.
So, I wanted to write something up, and when I started digging into it, I just couldn't believe what I found, right?
The first thing I did, I went to Joel Greenberg's plea agreement, and I read it.
It's about 84 pages long.
Joel, well, we've got to get...
Let me bring up...
I want to make sure my DMs are not open.
Nothing makes much of a difference.
Joel Greenberg, this is where we're starting here.
This is Joel Greenberg right here.
Right. All right.
Now, so part one, the tax collector.
So, I mean, we're starting from the beginning of the story because it's going to lead into the Matt Gaetz.
And by the way, to S. Sorrells over in our locals community, Matt Gaetz denied the underage sex trafficking.
There's some stuff that Matt Gaetz did not deny.
I mean, extracurricular activity.
And I think Matt is right to deny the underage stuff, but I'm not sure everybody appreciates where this is actually going and what the allegations of the alleged underage business is.
But so let's get started with this guy right here.
And how confident are you in your work, Mel?
I'm very confident.
Yeah. Okay.
So tax collector is this guy working out of Florida, Joel Greenberg.
Now, by not objective metrics, by demonstrable court documents, what's his deal?
So Joel Greenberg is, you know, kind of your like classic rich kid.
He's smart.
His family owns this dental empire in Florida.
92 dentist offices, right?
But he's kind of a little bit of a screw-up.
He went to military academy, or he got sent to military academy, and then he went to college, but he drops out of college.
And he has a couple of business ventures, and I think they fall through.
But then he has one where he kind of does do it, gets a hit.
And I believe it was some kind of ad agency or whatnot.
And he ended up selling that, though.
Sounds like he's kind of like just drifter, doesn't really know what he wants to do.
With his life.
And then he kind of transforms himself again.
And he runs to be this county tax collector in Seminole County, which is central Florida.
And he unseats somebody who had held the position for 27 years.
So it was kind of a big deal what he did.
And he's, you know, on the America First bandwagon and whatnot.
And he's going to reform and cut and all of this stuff.
You know, reform the tax office and cut waste and come up with new ways to invest tax collector money, right?
More bang for your buck.
And he's really into crypto.
So he...
He gets in and he immediately starts running these kind of crypto investments.
And I'll be honest, I don't know a lot about crypto.
I don't understand it a whole lot.
And usually when someone says that they're into crypto, I'm immediately skeptical.
He's investing in crypto, not with tax dollars, with his own business monies?
Well, he starts investing with tax dollars into crypto, which ends up being pretty scandalous, right?
Well, hold on.
I take that back.
He actually takes tax dollars, but then he uses it for his own personal investments, right?
But then he starts telling people he wants to invest the tax dollar money into the crypto business.
People are really skeptical.
I don't actually understand all of that much, and so I'm not going to speak to it.
But I do know for a fact that his family, which we don't know.
Whose account it was, but it was a family member, bailed him out to the tune of $400,000, two separate $200,000 checks within one year that he was having to repay back into the tax collectors' coffers that he had taken out and lost in the crypto market.
That's part of the plea deal, like it's talked about.
But all in all, I believe the plea deal says $686,000 was lost from the coffers of the county tax collector.
So it's a lot of money.
Okay. And because he got charged for it.
Like he got criminally charged and agreed to it.
And he pled guilty to it.
Yeah. Okay.
He didn't do any time?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah. So that all got tacked on.
So what happens with Joel Greenberg is that...
He starts running a crypto mining scheme out of the tax office, right?
And it's kind of weird.
It's a little bit hazy about how this came about, but he triggers basically people starting to look at the electric bill.
Right. Of the county tax collector.
And they're like, why is it so much?
Right. And so that he actually triggers a federal investigation into his use of taxpayer dollars.
And so that starts in the spring of 2019.
But the feds are like really dragging their feet.
Right. Nothing's really happening.
And again, this is a guy that comes from a really rich family.
My guess is they probably have a lot of influence in politics in general.
But. There's never really any explanation as to why the feds are dragging their feet so much on this.
It's not like this guy was super brilliant about covering his tracks by any means.
But so what happens is these rumors are swirling.
And so come the fall of 2019, there's a local music teacher.
His name is Brian Butte.
He decides he wants to run for he's going to challenge Greenberg for his seat.
And so Mr. Butte.
Files to run in the Republican primary.
He's a lifelong Republican.
And Joel Greenberg kind of just freaks out.
He loses his mind, right?
And he starts harassing.
Initially, he, you know, just starts spreading rumors like, oh, he's some kind of carpetbagger, which is, you know, like a term for people who are up north and then come down south to like run in politics and whatnot.
I mean, it's got a lot of different terms, a lot of different meanings, but that's usually, it's just a derogatory term.
But then he does some crazy stuff.
Like he starts, he comes up with these Facebook accounts where he pretends like he is...
A student of Mr. Butte who works at the local high school.
And then he starts calling him Creepy Brian Butte and calls him a pervert and all of these things because he's a terrible teacher.
And he's saying this in public, on public forums on Facebook.
I think he created a Twitter account too.
But then he goes even further and he writes these letters.
When he types up these letters, To the school administrators at Brian Butte's school.
And then he hand addresses them and mails them, in which he accuses Brian Butte of being a sexual predator and actually sexually assaulting one of his students.
So this is crazy, right?
I'm like reading this like, you know, I mean, poor Brian Butte, like the poor man has been through the wringer.
Those get taken really seriously, obviously.
And they get turned over to the local sheriff and the sheriff pulls Joel Greenberg's fingerprints and his DNA off of the letters.
So they contact the Secret Service, which I guess must have been running the crypto investigation.
And the Secret Service comes in and they arrest.
Joel Greenberg in June 2020 and charged him with stalking, cyber stalking, right?
Because they got him dead to rights on that, right?
So when they do that, this is really like where it all begins for both Greenberg and Matt Gaetz.
The feds confiscate his cell phone and his laptop and then of course he has a backpack there and in it they find All of this stuff.
Do you want me to stop yet?
No, no.
It's just amazing.
So Butte is B-E-U-T-E.
This is 2020.
This is after the crypto issue where Joel Greenberg is...
What's the word?
Pilfering? Squandering the tax dollars of the people he represents on crypto.
His family bails him out.
He gets indicted, pleads guilty to that, and then this is after that.
Right. Well...
No, no.
He has not pled yet.
Okay, this is concurrently.
It's really just getting started for him.
So they start going through his phone, right, obviously, and they find all of these text messages between Greenberg and all these women.
I found out later through private.
I don't have any.
Maybe I shouldn't say it.
Someone told me that he had an open relationship.
I don't know if that's true or not, but it would actually make a little bit more sense if he was because, you know, this guy ended up having 70 different women that he paid for sex that he met on this sugar daddy website.
And I don't know.
I feel like if you have 70 mistresses, that's just hard unless your wife just knows.
So who knows?
I'll bring this up here.
This is, we're in further investigation revealed from December 2016 through 2018.
Greenberg was a customer of Sugar Daddy, a website he solicited various women for sex and escort services.
This is where he met the aforementioned 17-year-old, okay?
And he spent $70,000.
I mean, I guess when you're worth that much money, if he's worth that much money, what's $70,000 on hookers?
Right. Holy hell.
Okay. All right.
So contemporaneously, simultaneously, I should say, He's involved in paying hookers online to each their own, if it's consensual, cyber harassing of somebody who's running against him, manufacturing lies, alleging improper conduct of the highest order, which is going to rhyme with what comes later.
All right.
And what else is Joel Greenberg doing?
Real quick, I'm going to send you a screenshot from the plea deal that talks about...
Okay, you can do it in private chat.
Yeah, I couldn't get it to upload in the private chat, but I did send it on next.
Okay, cool.
So let me go open that up.
But that just talks about just one of the check things, you know, with the two separate $200,000 checks.
It just kind of gives you an insight into how much money these people have to throw around.
What a total dipshit he was.
It's glorious in terms of entertainment value, but there's real people.
On an unknown date in 2019, Greenberg asked his family member who had given him over $200,000 back in January 2019 for another $200,000.
When asked what happened with the other money, Greenberg explained that he'd used it to purchase cryptocurrency for himself.
Okay, that can go quickly.
Greenberg stated that he would go to jail if he did not pay back the $200,000 to the tax collector's office.
On the morning of April 23, 2019, federal agents served a grand jury subpoena on the tax collector's office.
Okay. Yeah, so this is just like, you know, one.
Again, I just couldn't get over that.
It's for $200,000.
And then, you know, six months later came back and said, actually, I need another 200 grand because I blew the other one on cryptic.
Have you ever seen the movie Owning Mahoney with Philip Seymour Hoffman?
No. It's about addiction, gambling.
It's a nauseating movie, not in the same way as like Requiem for a Dream, but like just the insanity of this is a form of gambling with other people's tax dollars.
Okay. It's just such a foreign concept to me.
I don't know.
I don't even like to play Powerball.
I just don't gamble whatsoever.
Greenberg, he's got all these mistresses and whatnot, but what happens is that the federal investigators find Sorry, I got distracted.
Yeah, no, you don't.
And I won't do it again.
When I read her post on X, holy moly, holy mother, when I read it, this is corruption and mafia-like behavior I've never seen before.
It gets so bad for those who don't know where this is going.
Oh, yeah.
Sorry, I'm trying to...
There's so much, and there's stuff I didn't even include that...
I try to keep everything as, you know, just focused on Gates.
But Greenberg is just, I don't know, he is just a riot in a way.
If you can just let that go.
And know that he did go to prison.
So there was some justice served there.
But so anyway, so this guy, they find these text messages with these girls.
But they found these three-year-old text messages with one in particular, right?
And it becomes clear that she was underage.
And at some point, Mr. Greenberg, Discovered that she was underage.
Actually, we actually know the exact time that he discovered she was underage.
And it was in September.
There's a date specifically in his field.
What was it that indicated he discovered definitively that she was underage?
So he had met her on the Sugar Daddy website where she was presenting herself as of age.
And he had known her for a couple months at this point.
But something...
Triggered him to use his position as county tax collector to look her name up, right?
Because he had full access to the David systems, the DMV system of Florida.
And that's when he discovered that she was underage.
She wasn't 17 or she wasn't 18 yet.
She ended up at some point in the fall.
I believe it was November.
She did turn 18, so she was of age for the most part of their relationship, but there was apparently a three-month period where she was not.
And so what Greenberg does is that he then uses his position as the administrator of...
Driver's licenses, he uses it to steal the identity of a real Floridian woman who we don't actually know.
He was charged with identity theft in relation to the theft of one woman's ID, but we don't get any details.
We got details because he made four IDs for himself, and we got details on two of those IDs, but not on the other two, and then not on this woman.
And just to interrupt for a second, did he get charged with anything related to underage activities?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah. So, because they could definitively prove, because he had accessed her real driver's license information, they could prove he knew, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that she was underage.
And he still continued to engage in...
Sexy time.
Yeah, not just that, but he also traveled with her across state lines to engage in sexual activity.
So now that's a human trafficking charge as well.
And what's amazing is knowing where this is going in terms of the extortion against Matt Gaetz, the alleged extortion, you can see where he got the seed planted for the idea in the first place, where he discovers this girl's underage.
And you'll explain the falsifying a license to lie about the age.
And then...
Cross-border, interstate sex trafficking.
You see where the idea got planted from his own experience.
This guy is not dumb by any means.
He's foolish and he's clearly...
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, it's funny.
He's definitely not dumb.
And you can tell that by looking at these schemes.
But he's really full of himself and he's very foolish.
I actually think that he has a burner account that he follows me with.
And I've read through this account, and it's really, it's just an odd, he's just an odd little man.
But, so, anyways, I'm sure that once he realized what was going on, he kind of thought of this chick and these activities as maybe like a get-out-of-jail-free card, right?
I don't know.
I can't, obviously, I don't know him, and I can't, I don't know what was going through his head.
All of this is happening.
Now he gets arrested, and this is like three years later, right?
This woman, you know, she had been on the Sugar Daddy site.
Then she goes, and after she turns 18, she actually ends up doing pornography, like becoming some kind of porn star or whatnot.
So, again, this girl is not some, like, innocent little victim that got trafficked, as far as I'm concerned, anyways.
You know, she was a willing participant in it, and this ended up being something that...
You know, it was just an age thing.
I shouldn't say an age thing, but, you know, it was technically a foul of the law.
And, of course, Greenberg knew, you know, and so he should have ended it right there.
And perhaps if he had, he might not have actually gotten in the kind of trouble that he did.
Well, not just that.
Also, first of all, to the person in the chat asking what the age of consent in Florida is, it's 18. And federally, as far as the federal government is concerned, the age is 18 as well.
So even if, you know, like in North Carolina, it's 16. But it doesn't matter because the feds can still get you if you cross state lines.
In Canada, it used to be 14 and then they upped it to 16. And what was I going to say about the age of consent?
I forget what I was going to say.
Anyhow, it doesn't matter.
Oh, no.
Sorry. In terms of him discovering that this woman was misrepresenting herself on a website, I mean, that's a compliance issue with these websites, which could put them out of business.
I mean, I listened to the porn rabbi on Patrick Bet-David's podcast, and this was one of the things where, you know, ensuring compliance with the participants who are doing it willingly, it could put the website out of business if they're actually...
So Greenberg could have had his out here like, oh, my goodness, I was duped.
I'm the victim because this website...
You know, didn't do the proper due diligence.
And instead, he's going to leverage this into schemes light years beyond.
Right. Instead, he's like, oh, so it's full steam ahead.
Let me join you in your deception.
So, yeah, so that's what comes about.
But that's the big thing, right?
Because now it's a federal sex trafficking charge, and it's the 10-year minimum.
And so...
He's arrested.
He's charged with, so yeah, the initial was just the stalking, but then the second indictment comes down, and it's for identity theft, and it is for sex trafficking of a minor.
And then a third indictment, I believe, came down, and that's when all of the financial crimes get rolled in there.
as well so this guy again he he's charged with I think they ended up narrowing it down to I believe it was 12 or 13 charges um all together that he pled to but I think initially he was charged with like 24 different crimes and sex trafficking is is the so they went after him only for only for the cyber harassment you know falsifying a letter and then found this other stuff and then right yeah you know and um To be sure,
as far as I'm concerned, his most egregious crime absolutely was his stalking of Brian Butte because he just picked this man who's a good man, who's a good citizen, and who just wanted to do right by his community, and he made his life a living hell for over a year.
So he should have gone to prison for that, a minimum of 10 years for that, as far as I'm concerned, because just what they did to that poor man is just...
It's just disgusting.
And I believe even the judge said that, that of all of the crimes, that what was done to Mr. Butte was by far the worst.
But so I feel like sometimes Butte gets lost in this whole thing.
And so anyway, so what happens is that this is again 2020.
Oh, yeah.
And he commits some some some PPP fraud.
Right. Because it's COVID and he.
And so that gets wrapped up in there, and I didn't even touch on that in the thread.
But his lawyers or him, somebody he knows, approaches Bill Barr and says, hey, I've got evidence that a sitting congressman engaged in sexual contact with a minor.
And Bill Barr's DOJ opens its investigation sometime in the spring, or excuse me, in the summer, late summer, early fall of 2020.
So this is going on, and then we have the elections, craziness, and then we have January 6th, right?
And so, obviously...
We now know or suspect that when he goes to Bill Barr and says, I've got evidence of somebody, it's a lie.
Right, right.
Because he knows that...
And I do think that Matt Gaetz probably did have sex with this girl.
I can't prove it.
Obviously, he says he didn't, and I understand why he's...
Well, Matt Gaetz repeatedly says, I did not have sex with anyone underage.
Yeah. Was Matt Gaetz using the Sugar Daddy website?
Not to my knowledge.
I don't know.
That's never been disclosed that he was.
So, yeah, from...
Basically, everybody's account, this guy Greenberg was introducing these girls to everyone, like Gates, Roger Stone.
There's a couple other ones in there that he liked to bring, you know, pretty women to parties, basically, kind of thing.
And they all like to party.
Now we're at January 6th, obviously, the craziness there.
And then just the last days of the first Trump admin were really hectic.
And, you know, Matt Gaetz is a loyalist and whatnot.
So he kind of gets a target painted on his back as far as, you know, sticking by Trump and basically saying, you know, January 6th was set up and I agree with everything, you know, with it all.
And the election was stolen and whatnot.
Go into March 2021.
And March 16th, 2021, Matt's dad, a guy named Dan Gates, he gets a text message from someone.
It's either Bob Kent.
Actually, I do believe it was Bob Kent that he gets this text message from.
And Bob Kent is a military contractor for, well, he's an airport.
A former Air Force Intelligent serviceman.
He worked for Air Force Intelligence, and then he's kind of like a military contractor, right?
Dan Gates gets this message, and it says, I can help your son with his sexual trafficking charges.
We can get him a full pardon from the president.
If you're willing to fund an excursion into finding this American hostage in Iran, we need $25 million.
And so...
Okay. This gets confusing now.
Matt Gates, for those who don't know, comes from a family of tremendous wealth.
So there is a good target for an extortion scheme.
Right. Yeah.
Dan Gates, he sold...
I believe it was like old folks homes.
I can see he was invested in that early.
And then somebody, I did a podcast with somebody and we looked it up and at one point he was worth about a half a billion dollars.
So he has a ton of money, right?
So who are they looking for in Iran for this?
This is the part where people are going to get...
This is the part where it gets really wonky and I get it, trust me.
It's so funny.
When I was looking into it, I was like, how am I ever going to break this down for people?
So in the thread, I start off with loyal viewers of Tucker Carlson.
If you watched it every night, which I did, you probably remember there was an episode at the end of March 2021 where Matt Gaetz goes on Tucker Carlson and he tells this insane story, which he alleges that his father had received these text messages.
Trying to extort them out of $25 million.
And if they would go fund this hostage rescue, and in exchange, the extorters would pull strings with people they knew within the Biden administration, and Matt Gaetz would get a full presidential pardon for these sex crimes.
And Matt Gaetz is saying, I mean, he goes on, and Tucker asks him point blank, who is doing this?
And he says, David McGee, he's a former prosecutor with the Northern District of Florida.
And Tucker asks him, you know, what about these charges?
And he flat out says, I did not do this.
I have never engaged in sex with an underage woman.
You know, he's just resolute.
Like, you can tell.
I mean, but it was bizarre.
The whole thing was bizarre.
He does this weird thing where he kind of tries to rope Tucker in a little bit, and Tucker gets really pissed, you can tell, like, right away.
I mean, I remember watching it.
Like, what the hell is this guy?
This guy is, like, on something.
This is weird.
And so I kind of just let it go, but it was always, like, in the back of my head, you know, and then.
I just never followed up on it.
And mainstream media followed up on it a little bit, but not really, not like you would expect them to.
So I start looking into it, and then I get the story behind what really happened.
And turns out, number one, it's true.
What he said was true.
He was contacted by men attempting to extort his father out of $25 million.
And one of them went to prison for it, for wire fraud.
And so the story behind this is there's a man named Bob Levinson.
And Bob Levinson was a FBI, a retired FBI agent, who went to, he retires from the FBI, and he becomes kind of like a CIA contractor, right?
But he gets contracted by this semi, like, off-the-books part of the CIA.
He gets contracted specifically in the fall of 2006 to go to Kish Island, which is a little island right off the coast of Iran.
It's somewhere in the Red Sea.
I'm not sure on the geography there.
No one's going to hold you to it.
This is the alleged Robert Levinson who disappeared in Iran, but we're going to get into that in a second.
Right, so the story, the official story behind Bob Levinson is that he's working for the CIA, he's going to Kish Island, and he's going to do some background, basically to try to see what would be the best way to sanction Iran, right? And just getting some, I mean, just like really generic stuff.
Background information, right?
I actually don't believe that story, but whatever.
But he disappears from Kish Island.
It might be useful to read this, at least from Wikipedia.
Take it for what it's worth, people.
Bob Levinson, presumed death March 2020, was an American DEA, a former Drug Enforcement Administration and FBI agent who disappeared on March 9, Kish Island, March 20, 2007.
Kish Island, Iran.
While on the mission from the CIA, Levinson's family received $2.5 million annuity from the CIA in order to stop a lawsuit revealing details on his work in...
He was believed to have been held captive by Iran, while Iran does not acknowledge his arrest.
According to his family...
Type 1 diabetes, gout, yada yada.
His passport has never shown up in any other country.
They announced his presumed death in an advertisement on the U.S. government.
The date is unknown.
On December 14, 2020, two employees in the Iranian ministry were sanctioned by the U.S. Treasury in connection with the disappearance.
The kidnapping.
Okay. So a real person, probably long dead before any of this occurs.
Right, so yeah, the only information that we have directly from the CIA is they actually did leak the contract.
The physical contract, which Bob Levinson signed and which the CIA had on their books.
And it was like, it was from the fall, which I thought was a little odd because it did seem like long planning.
Because he was only on Kish Island for like, I think it was like nine days before he disappears.
So they signed this contract in October of 2006.
Then he doesn't go to Kish until March of 2007.
And anyways, so he gets missing.
And it's really weird because George Bush acknowledges, well, number one, people like his wife, his family, like they knew that he was there doing something, but I don't even know if they...
Technically knew that he was working for the CIA.
I think that they kind of thought that he was more on the up and up, what he was doing here, because they're very public about his disappearance right away, which you wouldn't necessarily expect from someone who was working for the CIA, right?
Because he was there to be a spy, right?
Looks like a nice island.
I mean, I wouldn't go.
Yeah, it's like a free trade zone.
So I think that there was a little bit, I mean...
Definitely, Iran has, you know, sovereignty, legal authority over it.
But I guess it is a little different than, like, say, if you went into Tehran, right?
As far as, like, what's allowed there and whatnot.
But so, yeah, so his family's very vocal.
So Bob Robinson's family is very vocal right up front, right?
And, of course, and he's got, like, six kids.
And, of course, his wife is just devastated.
I can't even imagine.
And George Bush acknowledges.
That it's very concerning, his disappearance, but then that's it.
Like, it's nothing else, right?
Like, nobody says anything.
There's no other public acknowledgement from the government at the time.
Well, then you flash forward to 2009, and the FBI comes up with this crazy scheme where they're going to get Bob Levinson back, right?
And they're going to fund their own rescue mission off the books, kind of.
Off the books to get Levinson.
And so they contract with this Russian oligarch who ends up coming in, you know, later.
Anyways, he, this Russian oligarch, Dever Penske.
He gives the FBI's team $20 million.
And what he's supposed to get in exchange is some visas or green cards for his family, right, to come to the U.S. And at the time, so for two years, the FBI is basically running this operation, right?
And it's Andrew McCabe is the guy, is the point man on this.
And they're running this $20 million scheme.
To get Levinson back.
And they get some proof of life videos and pictures and whatnot.
So we know he's alive at this point.
And they have a soft arrangement and plan.
And then something happens.
And the Clinton State Department shuts the whole thing down.
They said, we're not giving you the visas.
We're not going to uphold our end of the deal.
And the whole thing just disappears.
And Bob Levinson is never heard from again.
After that point.
But his wife, of course, is just devastated.
They've been to Iran a couple times at this point.
The Iranians, though, it's really weird.
They do not acknowledge Bob Levinson at all, right?
They basically, they like bring the family there and kind of entertain them.
But then they're like, we'll try to help you find out who has him kind of thing.
Like really shady.
And it's all bizarre.
But what happens is that in 2013, so it's now two years after the State Department deal falls through, the CIA finally admits, yeah, he was one of our guys.
He was there, right?
And so he was there for us.
He was a spy, essentially.
And they leaked this, you know, some confirmation of that to the AP, and they're waiting for the Iranians to respond, because now it makes sense that they would acknowledge, okay, we've got him, right?
Except they don't.
It's really weird.
They still, they don't budge.
They say, we don't have him.
We've never had him.
We don't know anything about this guy.
And so nothing happens.
That was basically pretty much the government's last hope.
And so it goes, I won't say radio silent, but his name pops up a damn near decade later when someone approaches Matt Gaetz and says, give us $25 million to get Bob Levinson out of Iran and we'll get...
Well, so what happens is he's got advocacy, right?
So it's not that...
It goes radio silence on the Iranian side.
But on the USA, he's got strong advocates.
And from what I can tell, he's like a pretty good guy.
And he's got really close ties in his community.
So he's still...
People here haven't forgotten about him, right?
But what happens is the Iranian nuclear deal happens.
And there is...
That's when people were expecting.
So people didn't know this at the time, but part of the deal was an exchange of American prisoners for Iranian dropping sanctions against certain Iranians, right?
It was like a really big shock to his family and, you know, his Jewish community and whatnot, because there were four people released and he wasn't one of them and it wasn't even discussed.
And so that was kind of like, I think, shocking for a lot of people.
And I can understand that.
And so they were really upset by it.
And I think that this is when it kind of is like the family and his advocates are like, we're going to go out on our own.
Right. We're going to have to get him back because the government has just screwed us.
Right. So that's where he kind of, I think, takes on a little bit of like a folklore.
People who care become invested in trying to get this guy back.
Right. And so flash forward, Trump.
I don't even think they did anything.
And then finally, in March 2020, he gets declared dead by the Trump administration.
He's legally dead.
And then, but then something weird happens because in June of 2020, a man named Bob Kent, who again has these ties in this community, and like I said, he's kind of, you know, this like lost hero within the intelligence community, forgotten man, whatnot. Bob Kent says that his Iraqi network has come across some evidence that Bob Levinson is still alive.
And so Bob Kent, again, starts putting together this team.
Does that make sense?
The funny thing is, I'm just trying to see if there's any suspicion as to whether or not Bob Levinson was...
Killed, I don't know, kidnapped by another country.
I don't want to get too conspiratorial.
Maybe killed by America.
Maybe killed or kidnapped by Israel.
I'm looking to see if he's a suspected Mossad agent.
So I think what actually was happening there is I think Bob Kent might have been working.
I think he might have been working for Mossad there.
So there was a little bit of a cross.
I think he might have been a double agent, right?
He might have been there officially for the U.S., but I think he might have also been doing some work for Israel as well.
So I think that that...
That may explain, even though I can't prove that, that might actually explain the weird way in which the U.S. responds.
Well, because it's not to give Iran credit for being a nation that will take...
Credit for having kidnapped people.
They do.
So the question would be, why wouldn't they, for Bob Levinson in particular, if they did, unless they didn't know that they did, and one of their rogue entities, I'm trying to think of the Houthis, unless someone else kidnapped them and they don't know, but it's not like they're not shy about saying who they kidnapped in prison.
Right, right.
So there was one news...
Because Christine Levinson, his wife, ends up suing Iran, and she wins in court.
And the reason that she won was there was actually a news story that aired immediately, right after he went missing, where they acknowledged that they had him, the Iranians, right?
And then it gets retracted.
The story gets retracted, and then they completely deny it.
And I think they even put out a couple state media things saying, we don't have this guy, right?
But that's very, very early on.
This is like 2007.
And you cannot find, at least I couldn't find that interview online.
You know, I don't know.
I was going through a lot of stuff at the time.
But so, yeah, so I do think that there obviously clearly is more to the story.
But with Bob Levinson and whatnot, and why the intelligence community.
Is so obsessed with getting this guy back.
But also, like, why would the Iranians, like, I mean, you've got this guy, like, he's worth a lot.
You can get a lot for him.
It doesn't make any sense to just deny having him because why not leverage it for everything it's worth?
You know, clearly the Americans want him back bad.
To me, that part is weird.
There's plenty to look at.
The whole Bob Levinson thing is a mystery on its own, but then how this now works into Matt Gaetz, a decade later, give or take, Bob Kent comes out and says, I think we know where he is.
Whether or not Bob Kent doesn't, you'll spoil this for me.
Let's just get $25 million and burn it with promises of...
So Bob Kent comes in and says...
25 million bucks.
We can go get this guy.
And if you help us, we'll give you a pardon, your kid a pardon, for what we now know coming down the pike in terms of sex trafficking, underage sex allegations.
So what happens is, yeah, so Bob Kent, he contacts a man named David McGee.
Right? Who had known Bob Levinson because David McGee used to work for the DOJ in the Northern District of Florida, but he's now retired and he works at this prestigious law firm, right?
But he was the liaison.
He was the go-between Deripowski, the Russian guy, and the Levinson family way back in the day when they were doing that first...
Failed mission, right?
So that's how he knows the family really well.
But he also had worked with Bob McGee, or excuse me, with Bob Levinson during his time at the DOJ when Levinson was with the FBI.
So he just knows the family really well.
And so Bob Kent contacts him, David McGee.
think McGee tells Bob Kent about these troubles that that and says, I think this could, you know, I'm not saying this is a legend.
This is my thinking of maybe how the conversation went is that David McGee said, well, you're going to need somebody to fund it.
Here's a guy with some legal issues whose family has a ton of money.
And where's Joel Greenberg in all of this at this point in time?
These are the legal troubles arising out of Joel Greenberg's false Florida license for the underage girl?
Right, right.
So now, yeah, so Gates is under investigation for these sexual activities with this girl, this underage girl.
Joel Greenberg pled guilty in May 2021.
Okay. And I don't know if we sufficiently flesh it out.
Joel Greenberg issued a false license to this girl indicating she was older than she was.
Right. Sorry, go for it.
He stole someone's identity.
And she assumed someone's identity.
And I think that that's important because it's not just like, oh, they made up like, you know, like a fake ID and whatnot.
It's that they were actually engaging in identity theft, which is a crime in and of itself.
And I do think that that also led to the DOJ not being able to charge Gates because, again, he's got to, you know.
Just saying, oh, I didn't know, that's actually not a good defense.
It doesn't hold up in court.
But when somebody has actually assumed someone else's identity, I don't actually know of a, I don't think that's ever been tested, whether or not that would be a defense.
And I'm pretty sure the DOJ had zero interest in trying to find out if it would be a good defense.
So that's why they didn't charge eventually.
So, yeah, because I had so many people saying, not knowing is not a defense.
No, but not knowing is not a defense, but providing government-issued ID that has been falsified or stolen identity.
So, the woman that Joel Greenberg had sex with when she was underage is the same woman that Matt Gaetz is alleged to have had relations with?
Right, yeah, yeah.
Okay, so that's a very odd coincidence, it would seem, but...
Okay, and so Joel Greenberg issued her this stolen identity fake license, which indicated she was older than she was, which allows Matt to rightly assert I've never had sex with someone who I was underage or I knew to be underage, regardless of what you think of as extracurricular activities.
Fine. So Matt Gaetz is under investigation for this at the time this scheme is put together to get $25 million from his dad with the promise of a pardon.
With this harebrained scheme to go find a man who's been pronounced dead, hasn't been heard from in a decade.
All right.
Where do we go from here?
It's so crazy, right?
So Gates' dad gets this message, and the $25 million will get your son a pardon.
And his dad's like, what are you talking about?
So he goes to Gates, and we know this because, well, this is Gates' version, but it pretty much is the government's version as well.
He goes...
Dad goes to son and says, what's up with this?
And he says, I don't know, but you need to contact the FBI.
So they go and they contact their local FBI up there in the panhandle of Florida.
And the FBI decides to set them up basically on a sting operation of these extortionists to catch them.
So they're going to wire Dan Gates up.
To go talk to these guys.
Shut up.
Okay. They're going to make a movie of this one day if they haven't already.
They will.
They will.
Yeah. So they go and they wire him up, right?
And right before he gets to go, Dan gets nervous, right?
Because they don't actually know the details of this.
They know that there's some kind of investigation going on with the DOJ, but they don't know anything.
And I get this.
I totally get this.
But they got to play along.
So Dan gets nervous and he says, I want some acknowledgement from you all that what I'm going to say on these wiretapes is I'm just playing along.
I'm not saying that my son did or didn't do anything.
Because does that make sense?
He's going to go in there and he's going to say, you know, OK, yeah, Matt got charged.
You know, how can you help us kind of thing?
But he doesn't want it to look like he's admitting his son's guilt or anything.
So the DOJ was a little hesitant.
And then they finally they give him like a quasi immunity.
Right. And it's been published somewhere.
I should have included that in the thread.
But they write up basically saying that he is wearing this wire for these purposes.
And we acknowledge, you know.
You know, basically that he's going to be playing along so that nothing that he said could get used against Matt later on down the road.
Well, he demands this and then like the next day and he goes and he has this meeting and he records his conversations and it's like the very next day the DOJ story gets leaked to the New York Times and the whole thing just blows up, right? And that's when Matt Gaetz, that night, went on Tucker.
And it was weird at the time, but now it makes perfect sense when you watch it.
And he says, he tells the FBI, release those tapes.
And you'll see I'm telling the truth.
But he says that the FBI has said that, you know, basically, no, they're not going to give them any access to these wiretapes, these conversations between Matt Gaetz's dad and this guy, David McGee.
All right, and how that leaks to the New York Times is anybody's guess?
Right, right.
So, yeah, so the FBI leaks it, and it just shuts down after that.
The wiretapes go missing, and...
Then the DOJ, like, the whole story just kind of gets dragged out.
But eventually, you do find that a third man, like, it's really weird, this guy, Stephen Alford, he ends up getting charged with wire fraud in relation to the extortion scheme.
And Stephen Alford is kind of a weird character who had been convicted of fraud once or twice before, had actually served time in federal prison for it.
Who is connected to David McGee in a weird way because at some point David McGee had represented Stephen Alford as a defense attorney.
So how he gets pulled into all of this is very weird.
And I know that there's one journalist out there working on it and I know he's going to be bringing a story out.
He's got some good stuff out there.
But yeah, the David McGee angle is really weird to me.
So what happens is the FBI just drops it.
And the only person that gets charged is this third party Stephen Alford guy.
And then David McGee and Bob Kent, they say, no, we weren't extorting him.
We were just trying to help him.
We were giving him a proposition.
We can help you.
And we said we couldn't guarantee you a pardon.
We just knew people who might be able to help you secure one.
It's so crazy.
And then there's another thing that happens, right?
Because the story is just already so weird.
A third part going on at all this time is that Scott Adams is the Dilbert guy, right?
He starts getting messages from this guy he knows named Jacob Novak.
And Jacob Novak works at the Israeli consulate, right?
But prior to working there, he was a producer for CNBC.
And I actually, a lot of people really focus on the Israeli consulate thing, but I actually think that probably the closer tie is the CNBC producer thing, because the man who sent, or who hooked up, Bob Levinson in Kish Island.
His name is Ira Silverman.
He was also a producer for MSNBC at one point.
So, you know, these connections are in any ways.
Sorry, I'm getting off track.
I know what connections people are making based on the names of the players in this.
Scott Levinson, Josh Greenberg, Votek, the guy who's DMing Scott Adams?
This smells like foreign intelligence or playing with American intelligence.
Right, yeah.
I think these are definitely power players.
And so I actually it's funny like and then, of course, you get the Israeli consulate.
So what happens is Jacob Novak works at the Israeli consulate and he sends these messages to Scott Adams in which he basically says, hey, I got the scoop.
And this is before the story had broken at New York Times.
Matt Gaetz is going to get charged with sex crimes.
He specifically says, let me pull him up, because they are quite...
And just so we can get ahead of this, Matt Gaetz never gets charged in any of this, period.
Period, yeah.
Actually, this is what I was trying to find earlier.
It is not denied that he paid women for stuff.
No judgment.
It's not denied, Mel, that he paid women for sexual activities?
I don't think that he has denied it.
I don't...
Actually, I think he said that he was just, like, really generous with his girlfriends, which, again, you know, I mean, he couldn't...
I don't know.
If he was throwing money at them, I mean, he's clearly pretty rich.
Some people might hypothesize that...
You know, like, I mean, they just do, you know?
I don't know.
I don't really...
I didn't really care about that.
The other thing was the age thing.
I actually think that the girl, she probably, at the time, Matt Gaetz was 35. And, you know, she presented herself as 21, which I'm sure she did, because you're not going to fake an ID and, you know, only say you're 19 and you can't go drink or anything like that.
You're going to say you're 21, at least.
And so, you know, 21 or 22 and 35, I mean, you know, it's just, it's not unheard of.
It's not even uncommon.
My best friend's parents were 20 years apart and happily married for 50 years.
I think even Matt Bates' current wife is like 10 or 12 years younger than him.
So, I mean, he kind of just likes younger women, whatever.
It's not a crime.
There's nothing wrong with that.
But so, Jake Novak sends this message, and the first one comes the Saturday before the story breaks, and it says, Scoop, I can't report.
Rep. Gates is the subject of a secret grand jury probe of sex with minors and possibly murder conspiracy.
I still don't know what the murder conspiracy thing was.
They're trying to get Scott Adams to think he's going to break something early, go public with it, legitimize it, and then humiliate himself for the rest of the year.
Discredit himself, I should say.
He says, I trust the source charges accusations apparently very credible.
So that's the first one.
Then the story breaks and Novak writes and he says, told you.
And he sends the New York Times.
So I guess that was the day before.
The day it broke.
The next day, Scott Adams writes back and says allegations against him do not sound credible.
Then Novak says, I don't want to believe them, but my source says it looks bad from closer end.
So your source.
So again, if we take Novak at his word, that means he has people inside the DOJ telling him, right?
Then, and we still to this day don't know.
Who those people are.
Scott Adams writes back and says, I'm betting against it, but the extortion counterclaim sounds credible.
Has witnesses, apparently.
And Novak replies, the backstory is this is screwing up my efforts to free Bob Levinson.
Gates' dad was secretly, it says finding, but I think- Or meant financing?
Yeah, I think it was either financing or funding.
Yeah, so I'm very much wanting this to be untrue.
I've got a commando team leader friend of mine nervously awaiting for wire transfers to clear.
So presumably that's Bob Kent, right?
And Kent and Novak know each other.
I guess privately.
They've known each other for a long time.
And so he's definitely inserting himself here.
But again, this guy is the media consultant for the Israeli consulate.
So he's not just like some normal, you know, rando.
This guy definitely potentially has serious contacts within the government, within the international community and whatnot.
Okay, so Novak then says, Bob Kent is my lifelong friend and the best person in Patriot.
I also highly doubt McGee, so he says David McGee, you know, extorted or promised anything to Gates.
And also the $25 million number is total BS.
Now the Gates have burnt Kent and Levinson.
I can clear up to 50% of this story isn't true.
And he links to the story about the extortion.
Then Scott Adams says, they have documents.
Novak replies, yeah, some numbers and facts have been altered.
The real documents do not extort, and we only asked for $25 million as an estimate at first.
We. He continuously says we, right?
Adams replies, you think his screenshots are offered?
That would be the world's dumbest play.
The sender or recipient has the original.
And then Novak replies, we do.
Hold on.
How did the world get these DMs between Scott and Novak?
Yeah, God bless him.
Scott Adams just released them.
I think he released them to Politico and said, yeah, this is really shady.
And, you know, basically, I don't want any part of this.
And it did become a story.
Politico ran a story.
A couple places ran a story on it.
The Israeli consulate basically immediately said, this is not us.
We have nothing to do with this.
We condemn him.
He's doing this on his own private time.
It's not our business, right?
But they don't fire him, which I thought was weird.
And they don't even, you know, discipline him in any way.
Which, again...
Weird. And so, yeah, later on, Matt Gaetz, of course, he becomes upset.
And he questions this himself, like, is this, does the Israeli government have anything to do with this?
Is, you know, who is, and he's asked the same question I did, who is the we?
How do these people know these things?
This is not something that just average regular people, even well-connected people, would know.
These are people that have contacts within the government.
And obviously, he has every right to ask those questions.
But I think we should all know.
And Novak, to my knowledge, just stop taking questions.
No interviews, no nothing.
I don't know where he works now, but I think Novak's important.
But for me, the David McGee thing is way...
More important.
I feel like him, like being this middleman and then just getting to kind of walk away scot-free, like no charges, no nothing.
And basically what he said was, I didn't extort anyone.
And Matt Gaetz is just making this up to distract from his own criminal behavior, which was crazy because they do admit he and Bob Kent that there was.
Kind of a proposition for this $25 million.
And it's pretty clear from the conversations that have been relayed by them that they were trying to tit for tat.
So, again, they haven't been charged with anything.
This is just me kind of observing.
And this is where it stands as of today.
Matt Gaetz was never charged, let alone convicted.
Bob Levinson still presumed dead, so who they're trying to get this $25 million for and for what reason?
And they were promising the pardon to Gates.
Right, right.
And Gates is basically like, I didn't have sex with anybody underage and I don't need your pardon.
Okay? And, you know, he's pretty...
My bigger question is Joel Greenberg's role in all of this is he...
Is it just accidental that he set Matt Gaetz up and then another entity decides to work with it?
Or does Greenberg have any connection to Novak or the others?
Right. We don't know.
It's really interesting.
There's not a whole lot about Greenberg's family online.
There's a lot of negative reviews for the dental clinic, but that's about it.
And yeah, it's very odd.
Another thing that people want to look into is that...
Greenberg, there was, I think, something like eight other people convicted around his criminal behavior related to the tax office.
So there's a lot of people that actually did go down with Greenberg, mostly for financial fraud.
What was Matt Gaetz's role in Florida politics at this time when Greenberg is convicted?
So he's still a congressman.
His relations with Greenberg are documented a couple different ways, right?
Like how well he knew him, right?
Apparently, at some point, from what I can tell, is they became acquainted at some point in either 2016 or 2017 because Gates was like a pro-marijuana guy.
And he was in with the, he was like in, I don't want to say like in bed, but he...
Had dealings with the marijuana lobby in Florida.
And apparently Greenberg did as well.
So I didn't quite understand.
It was just so much.
Someone in the chat said it's not a coincidence about the license thing because Greenberg introduced allegedly Matt Gaetz to the woman, which might make sense.
That's what I'm wondering as to how that overlap occurred and what they knew of each other.
Prior to, right.
So from what I can tell, it was mostly just like a political thing.
Like, I'm young in politics.
You're young in politics.
They get along.
Clearly, they like beautiful women.
They like to party.
And so I could see it how, you know, you have this kind of playboy attitude.
And, you know, you're rich kids and you're running around.
They just live a different kind of lifestyle than us, I think.
And so, again, I do think, obviously, don't...
I think it's just good advice.
Don't hang out with men.
If you're a sitting congressman, don't hang out with men who run around on the rocks.
I wonder if...
What's his face?
What's his name?
The Florida guy.
Greenberg. If he had his own extortion scheme planned.
Like, oh yeah, I'm going to get Matt Gaetz to have sex with an underage woman.
That'll solve all of my money problems because Matt Gaetz family's worth money.
And then some other scumbags have the same scheme idea.
Holy hell.
Yeah. Where do you even, you know, because I do, I started to like, okay, how long was this going on, right?
How, I mean, there's so much there.
But it's all just really dark and gritty.
And to see, like, the way that the FBI did it.
All of this is known to the DOJ is they have this quote-unquote investigation open, right?
And yet they keep the investigation open.
Not only do they leak to the New York Times, they keep the investigation open until October of 2022, right?
So it's like a year.
And then they just kind of close it.
And they don't, you know, exonerate, I guess, or I should say, but they just close the investigation, right?
They're filed or anything like that because they can't.
They know they can't.
And so they, um, but then 2020, you know, we got the election in 2022 and then, you know, Republicans take about the house.
Then, um, Gates basically, I mean, it's so funny.
He's just, I mean, the man's got balls of steel.
He just didn't care clearly.
And he went after, um, McCarthy, right?
During the, everybody remembers the speaker fight.
And, um, it really made an enemy out of McCarthy.
And when he, Kicked McCarthy out in 2023, you know, September or whatnot.
They plotted their revenge on him.
You know, McCarthy's allies in the House.
And that's when we get this House investigation into Matt Gaetz.
I don't actually know exactly when that started, but it was definitely...
And they haven't...
That ethics investigation hasn't been leaked yet.
Well, so...
You know, it's going on for like a year and a half and then it's going to get wrapped up, right?
Again, no charges from the FBI, but it's really dumb, the House investigation.
And then Gates gets nominated by Trump, right?
And I think probably, I do think what happened was they thought they were going to be able to keep the investigation or the House ethics report.
Hidden or like under seal and when it was clear that that wasn't because somebody had it.
Somebody had access to it and they started just trickling out.
They started leaking bits of pieces here and there and you can find them on X. Some of the testimony from the girl's friends.
Some FBI documents related to payments going in and out.
And I think once it became clear that it wasn't ever going to stay under seal, that was when Trump was like, it's just too much.
We just can't have it.
And I get it.
I get it from his angle.
Mel? What a tangled web we weave when at first we seek to deceive.
Holy hell.
It's amazing.
I mean, it's as black-pilled as you think you'd ever been.
It's exponential.
And now there's like so many further fractal radicals to go down.
Yeah, you can go, you know, it is a tangled web.
It's hard to relate to people.
It's so funny.
I was like calling my sister like, you are not going to believe what I'm like this, you know, and I'm telling her and I'm like, but there's more and there's more.
And she just couldn't believe it.
She's like, this feels like a Netflix series.
It deserves its own Netflix limited series.
It's a wild story.
And Gates has always denied, again, specifically, he has never slept with underage women.
And I do believe him.
I don't think he ever sought out sex with a 17-year-old girl, period.
It would be so stupid to do from his position, even if you're a Jared Fogle-level pervert.
It would just be stupid.
And in as much as I still think going to parties and doing drugs and even being promiscuous in his position is equally stupid because you don't have to have done it in order for someone to say you did it.
It's just stupid.
But there's levels of stupid.
And then there's levels of illegal versus stupid.
Right, right.
Yeah. I mean, you can be kind of a dunce.
You can be kind of a jackass.
But again, it's not illegal to be a jackass.
It's not illegal to be kind of a pervert.
And as long as, again, the women that you're being pervy with are of age.
And so, like I said, I'm sure she was presenting as probably 21 or 22. He was 35 at the time.
It's not even that big of an age difference.
I want to bring this up, but don't forget, Greenberg made a very realistic fake ID.
It wasn't a realistic fake ID.
It was a real ID.
It was stolen identity.
It was official government documents.
I mean, it's how you would pull someone out of a country by giving them real documents.
Right. Yeah.
I mean, I can't imagine that there's probably ever been a case like this where somebody was using...
You know, the Davis system to sexually traffic young girls or to run young girls to federal lawmakers.
Again, you know, it'd be interesting to see who else was related to, you know, because I got a feeling it wasn't just Gates at these parties, these, you know.
Mel, at the risk of keeping you too long, you want to talk about the Biden pardon?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay, we're going to do this.
It's going to be a short after-exclusive party, but we're going to end this on YouTube in any event.
So come on over to Rumble if you're coming, or vivabarneslaw.locals.com, ending on Commitube.
Bada bing, bada boom.
Alright, so we're live last night, and people in the chat start saying, Biden pardoned Hunter.
And I'm thinking, I once fell for the meme Estelle Getty died.
Like, you know, someone says, oh, rest in peace and a celebrity.
And they got me three times.
And then it was the day when Estelle Getty.
It wasn't Estelle Getty.
It was White.
Betty White.
They said, rest in peace, Betty White.
I was like, ah, you guys got me good.
Yeah, yeah.
And she actually died.
Hunter Biden pardoned by Joe Biden.
And the issue with all of this is that there's so many idiots out there who don't seem to understand the distinction between pardons at large and Biden repeatedly saying for the longest time, through Karine Jean-Pierre as well, if I can bring up one of these.
I think I got one, if not two.
No, no, no.
Here, here.
Flashback, Karine Jean-Pierre.
I mean, it's, they have no shame.
So I've answered this question before.
It was asked of me not too long ago, a couple of weeks ago.
And I was very clear and I said no.
No, that was one.
So people are trying to draw a comparison between, what's Jared Kushner's father's name?
Charles Kushner.
Trump either pardoning Kushner or talking about pardoning Kushner and people saying, oh, Kash Patel was pardoned and how can you criticize this?
Biden said he would not pardon his son or commute a sentence.
He's going to let justice take its course.
Charles Kushner did his time.
Whether or not you think he should have any role in a government is a separate issue.
He did his two years in a federal halfway house or something.
And Kash Patel, Trump never said, I'm not going to pardon Kash Patel, and then Volt Pass did it.
He said, I am going to pardon Kash Patel, because that was pure government lawfare.
There are people who are going on about the fact that the 10-year period for which Hunter is being pardoned at large, writ large, is magically the 10 years he was involved in Burisma.
What insights do you have in this, in terms of what everyone understands this to be?
Right, well, number one, I think...
You know, I totally reject the comparison between Charles Kushner and Hunter Biden because, number one, Kushner was, number one, he was charged for the crime that we know.
We know what the crime was.
He was convicted.
He served time in prison.
He served time in a halfway house.
He served all of his probation.
He paid his restitution.
He had his law licenses revoked, and he was a felon for 14 years, okay?
And then he was pardoned, okay?
That is...
Again, a defined crime which he acknowledged and admitted guilt to, which is very important in our legal system.
Whereas we have a blanket pardon for 10 years worth of crimes that we don't even know of.
We don't even have them identified.
If he had just pardoned Hunter for the drug stuff and the gun stuff, like specifically his, you know, lying on the ATF form.
I think everybody would have been like, whatever.
But when you hand out a blanket pardon for crimes that you don't even list, it's any and all crimes.
I'm sorry, but that's just not comparable.
It's just not.
Not even willing to entertain anyone who pretends like it is.
With Kushner, it's an obvious distinction.
It was Brian Taylor Cohen, who's the biggest effing fiend on...
He's among the biggest effing fiends on Twitter.
Liars. Kash Patel says, I thought you said no one's above the law.
And then Brian Taylor Cohen says, oh, I got the gotcha.
You literally got parted by Trump.
Kash Patel was literally persecuted to the nth degree.
And again...
I think he pleaded guilty.
That's Dinesh D'Souza, I think, is who you're talking about.
Hold on one second.
Did I say Kash Patel?
Yeah, yeah.
I meant Dinesh D'Souza.
Dinesh D'Souza, again, was charged with a very specific crime.
He was convicted.
I believe he did time at a halfway house.
He, again, lived life as a convicted felon for a couple years, and then he was pardoned.
It's just not comparable.
I'm sorry.
Nobody needs to do a deeper dive than...
Nobody needs to do a deeper dive than Marco Polo, the Hunter Biden laptop.
People are flipping out about the pardon.
On the one hand, and I had to double check this, it is true that now Hunter can no longer plead the fifth if he's ever called to be questioned on this.
The question is, how do you investigate someone when you can't charge them for a crime?
So I presume there'd have to be some legislative purpose for it, whatever.
And then people are saying, well, this is, you know, basically Hunter, not Hunter, but Joe pardoning himself because it covers the 10 years of involvement.
I don't think this closes the door on Joe's exposure.
I still think Joe is going to pardon himself or...
And I'll make a good bet on this if he resigns and Kamala pardons him, although she hates him, so maybe she won't do that.
But I think Joe's going to pardon himself and pardon Donald Trump.
And so the idea of pardoning Hunter to give himself a pardon, he can still do that in any event.
It's just the 10-year time frame is wildly convenient because it involves all of Hunter's involvement in Burisma.
Right, yeah.
So yeah, I have a serious problem with just the idea of like...
The blanket.
We don't even know the crimes.
It's just any and all crimes.
You know, I do need more than that.
I'm sorry.
I do think that you should have to actually list them, okay?
But... What was I going to say?
Let me see.
In the meantime, there was a second one.
Oh, yeah.
Here's the second one.
I loathe Karine Jean.
I hate...
I think I'm the only...
The person that doesn't hate her that much because I hated the one before her, Saki.
I'll take Jen Saki any day of the week.
Her shoulder thing, this thing leaning in and she says, look, every sentence started with look, every answer.
The president would not pardon or communicate the sentence for his son, Hunter.
I just want to make sure that that is not going to change over the next six months.
It's still a no.
It's still a no.
It will always be a no.
It's still a no.
It will be a no.
It is a no.
And I don't have anything else to add.
Will he pardon his son?
No. I mean, how much more humiliated does anyone have to get on a no?
You know.
Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
Whatever it was about Saki, she used to...
I'm telling you, I couldn't even listen to that woman's voice.
Saki had a very...
Well, yeah, there's that.
But she had a very bizarre tick with her tongue.
And she would do this lizard tongue like this.
And I'm very sensitive to it because every now and again I lick my lips and I don't ever want to do the Saki lizard lips.
Saki did that thing with her tongue.
It drove me nuts, but I could still listen to her talk.
Karine Jean-Pierre is the worst that has ever been.
Period. I don't know if you watch Jen Saki's show.
I presume you don't if you can't stand her voice.
No, I do not.
Yeah, I have her rooted.
I never press play.
There is something about that that triggers me in a weird way.
I don't know what it is about her, but I just cannot stand her.
She is such a...
To me.
Mel, you've done some amazing work with this.
Not that I would have felt guilty just reading through your thread.
It's an amazing thread, but there were details that I needed to get out of all of this that we needed to do in real time viva voce.
Mel, first of all, where can people find you?
And support the work that you're doing.
Yep, you can find me at Village Crazy Lady on X. There's no A in the village.
And so, yeah, if you enjoy it, you can buy me a coffee.
There's a link on my site, or you can subscribe for a dollar.
I'm going to start posting, like, FEC lessons for people.
So that's going to be to subscribers.
But it's just a dollar a month.
And so, yeah.
But just follow and share if you enjoy it.
Village Crazy Lady in full, I'll put it up there, without the A. Is that your beautiful pit bull up there or boxer lab mix?
Yeah, he's my mutt.
We just got his DNA test back the other day.
He's only 37% pit, which we were really surprised by.
37% pit.
He's got to have some lab in there?
He's got pit.
Then Supermutt, then Beagle, Cocker Spaniel, Chow Chow, and...
There was one more.
Now I'm just calling bullcrap.
Boxer. I'm just going to call bullcrap.
I bet you find that DNA in all dogs.
Where's my...
Mel, fantastic.
And when you do the deep dive into Kamala Harris's campaign finances, you'll come back on in the new year and we'll talk about it?
I've got one coming on Newsome.
I think you guys will really like.
All right.
Well, ordinarily, I'd end with you, but I'm going to go over to the locals and do the after party there.
But, Mel, thank you tremendously.
Amazing. Thank you for having me, Viva.
My pleasure.
Talk to you soon.
All right.
That was amazing, people.
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I've got to get a drive going this afternoon.
I've got to get a couple of energy drinks.
That's it.
Let me see what else we got.
I think we got everything, but I'm going to get to the tipped questions on the local side.
And for everybody who's asking, I did not yet get the new computer that I know of, although I did hear...
I heard the ring.
I want to smash this computer so hard.
Whenever you see me, if it looks like I'm getting angry, it's because I go toggle a window and then I can't get back into the stream and...
Get the spinning wheel of death, people.
Let me see what we got here.
Sorry, I forgot we're still on Twitter.
Karine Jean-Pierre makes us dumber.
I try not to be mean, but this lady lies about everything and anything.
She has amazing threads on X. I learn a lot about her tweets.
Yeah, and everybody wants me to fight with, not fight, but Mel and talk about Middle Eastern politics.
I don't even think we would fight that much.
Discussing Middle Eastern politics, it is the most fruitless discussion that can be had.
And so there has to be a darn good reason for which to have it.
What was I going to say in terms of everything else?
Thank you for being here, Rumble.
Come on over to vivabarneslaw.locals.com because it will not be a supporters exclusive today because I'm using StreamYard for the guest.
Sephardine Squibb says, What the episode special about the computer?
It's a Mac.
The joke in the locals community is that I went overboard on the RAM, is what it's called.
I don't know if Encryptus, the man who...
I got the upgrade of the RAM, so apparently I wasted $1,000 getting 128 or 256 gigs of RAM.
Does that make sense?
It's the processing thing so that my computer processes faster.
And I'm going to have two computers so that I'll be able to toggle more efficiently.
And, stay tuned, I'm going to upgrade.
To a Blackmagic camera so that I'll get, you know, so you can see the beautiful, disgusting freaking face.
So you can see more detail of my face, my crow's foot there.
What else?
Whatever. So anyways, it's going to be a faster computer, so I will not have the technical issues that I've been having on and off for a little while.
It's just a Mac.
What else?
Is going on there.
Take care, people, says Sefer Dean Squibb.
Dinesh has a lot of DVDs if you don't have time to read.
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Link us to locals.
Locals link right there, people.
All right, now what I'm going to do is I'm going to end it on Rumble.
I'll be live tomorrow.
May or may not have a guest tomorrow.
But I will be live tomorrow regardless.
And... That's that.
I'm going to end on Twitter, vivabarneslaw.locals.com.
And we're going to end on Rumble.
I'm going to make sure that I end on Rumble and not Locals.
Come on over to vivabarneslaw.locals.com.
Hold on!
Is there a new merch?
Is there a new merch?
We're getting a new merch design out there, but I don't know that we have one yet.
See, now I've got the spinning wheel of death.
Now I can't get back to the main screen, and now I'm getting angry.
Serenity. God, grant me the strength.
To change the things I can.
The wisdom to know the difference.
You know the serenity of prayer.
The thing with the thing.
Okay, we're ending on Rumble.
Oh no, I'd say I wanted to show you what I was going to show you.
But I couldn't because it was freezing.
Here, Viva Frye people.
Get some merch.
This is my wife and this is some merch.
Friends don't let friends vote.
Democrat, fight, so on and so forth.
Go. And if you're not coming to Rumble, I will see you tomorrow.
Sorry, if you're not coming to Locals, I will see you tomorrow.
Rumble. Disengaging.
Peace out, peeps.
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