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Nov. 26, 2024 - Viva & Barnes

01:30:40

Interview with Rumble CEO Chris Pavlovski - Rumble & Bitcoin? Shocking Stats From Florida & MORE!

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	sick, you think we're dumb You want us blinded, you want us drugged You want us poor while you get more of everything But you
	don't get to tell me what to think and what to do You don't get to tell me what is true Cause you're just liars, cheats and cooks Change the rules and you burn the books
	And so I don't believe a single word you say You're all liars, fakes and cons Want you out or we want you gone So don't believe this time you'll get away You want us tricked,
	you want us numb You want us scared and you want us stung You want us shot and you want us fought In every way You want our minds, you want our time You want us friend up in your crimes I hope you know that it's time to go And we're taking names
	Cause you don't get to tell us what to think And what to do You don't get to tell us what is true You don't get to tell us what is true You're just liars, cheats and crooks Change the rules and you burn the books And so we don't believe a single word you say You don't get to tell us what to think and what to do We're cutting the intro.
	We're cutting the intro short.
	Now, hold on.
	Where am I hearing the music?
	In the backdrop.
	Chris, sir, how goes the battle?
	Hold on.
	You are on mute.
	I'm on mute.
	Okay, that's better, right?
	Yeah, do not.
	That's good.
	Steve Britton in our Locals community said, Viva, you're going to run the song for three full minutes.
	We're cutting it short.
	That song, five times August, Liars, Cheats, and Crooks, and you have the link to Apple Music there to make it number one.
	Chris, thank you for coming on.
	For everyone who doesn't know, This is Chris Pawlowski.
	You look younger and younger every time I see you.
	You and Trump get younger with age.
	It's wild.
	We got a little younger after the last election, so that's what it was.
	CEO of Rumble, for anybody who might not know that.
	Chris, I took this interview so seriously, I had to shave my beard so I look a little less haggard and ragged.
	Sir, how goes the battle?
	It goes.
	I think we won the battle, as far as I'm concerned right now.
	I think we've got to take that battle to different pastures, like Canada, and see what we can do over there.
	But the U.S. is looking pretty good, I think.
	Well, not to get ahead of ourselves, and I'm watching Bongino as regularly as everybody else.
	There has been a significant victory on the American front, and going to keep a little bit of pressure on the Trump administration not to hire too many.
	Swamp Creatures back into an admin.
	But no, taking it to Canada is the goal now.
	But Chris, latest developments with Rumble.
	There have been a bunch.
	I mean, you talked about it yesterday with the quartering.
	And some people might not know who...
	I keep wanting to say Dr. Nefario, but that's Russell Brand's character out of Despicable Me.
	Dr. Disrespect.
	You signed a big gamer for Rumble.
	What does that mean for those who don't know who he is?
	And what does it mean for Rumble?
	Yeah, so he's one of the largest gamers, I think, on the internet.
	Top five at least.
	Some days top one, number one.
	And we have been really pushing the gaming sector a lot recently.
	And what I wanted to do is really kind of give it an injection.
	The same way we kind of gave Rumble an injection when we brought on Dan Bongino.
	We wanted someone to really take that poll and really, really kind of lead the gaming side.
	And that's what we did with Dr. Disrespect.
	He's now going to start on December 2nd on Rumble.
	He'll be exclusively providing content to Rumble Premium.
	So he'll be multi-streaming both on YouTube and Rumble and then exclusively providing that content to Premium.
	So he's going to be bringing his whole Champions Club to Rumble and all his viewers to Rumble, which, you know...
	Just like Dan, when he came to Rumble early on in late 2020, it was the rising tide that raised all boats, and that's kind of the effect that we're looking for here in the gaming community.
	We got politics on lock.
	The next two categories are going to be...
	Crypto and gaming.
	That's what I'm really, really focused on when it comes to growing Rumble.
	So that's what we're going to be stepping the gas pedal on right now.
	We're going to get to actually the crypto part in a bit as well.
	But a lot of people think that Rumble is just a free speech platform and so good for conservative commentators or the left-wing commentators who get turned into right-wing extremists.
	Do you know, like, Dr...
	Jeez, Dr. Disrespect.
	He does streams.
	They're like seven hours long.
	They get close to a million views, sometimes if not more.
	Have the gamers expressed any issues that they have on YouTube in terms of why Rumble is the alluring alternative, if not becoming the mainstream platform?
	I think the issues that people see when it comes to Rumble is that we don't have that viewership that other platforms have in that category, and that's exactly what he's going to help do.
	He's going to help drive that viewership, help raise the...
	Bring in the tide to raise all the boats.
	So that's probably the largest complaint.
	Obviously, we have product features that we need to really kind of integrate.
	One of them is going to be gifted subs.
	That's going to be very important for the gaming community, and we're hoping to roll that out here before the end of the year.
	And then in terms of everything else, I think we're pretty up to speed now that we have the super low latency for all our premium members and super high quality streaming.
	I think we're really ready for it.
	And I think this is the future for 2025 on Rumble is really attacking these two categories and really ultimately kind of building something that is unique, something a little different than YouTube and very different than Netflix and bringing in kind of like...
	a hybrid model of let's call it a YouTube, YouTube premium slash Netflix.
	One thing that YouTube premium doesn't We want to take it a step further and provide that through Rumble Premium.
	So anybody that's a Rumble Premium subscriber is not only going to get the...
	Premium experience, which is access to early features, the green checkmark, a no advertising experience, but they're also going to be able to get like...
	High-quality content, exclusive content, maybe documentaries, maybe movies in the future.
	Whatever we can attract on the platform, it'll be open to whoever wants to bring content into premium.
	And I believe we can have something very, very special, both on this hybrid experience of YouTube and Netflix.
	And that's where we're pouring the gas right now, and that's where we're stepping on the pedal.
	And Dr. Disrespect's the latest edition of that.
	The YouTube Premium, $100 a year, and you get no ads and all of the other perks that you mentioned.
	Rumble Premium, yes.
	YouTube Premium, I believe, is now going to be going up to $20 a month, so it's going to be significant.
	I've never got YouTube Premium because I don't care to support them any more than I have to.
	I've got Rumble Premium in absolutely what I meant.
	Actually, just one quick question because this is coming from Encryptus on our local side, and it's going to...
	Dovetail into another question.
	What other tech products Verticals Rumble is going into?
	And do they want to hire a highly skilled AI expert?
	Chris, I might have to give you this.
	I'm going to give you this guy's name afterwards.
	Yeah, definitely.
	Pass that on because we're really kind of pushing the pedal on recommendations in AI to try to help discovery a lot.
	So that's something that's very important to us right now.
	In terms of new products that we're going to be offering in the new year, and I announced this about...
	I've said this a few times now, but we want to introduce a creator program that is going to be unlike any other creator program out there.
	So early next year, we're going to be launching our own creator program, which I think can revolutionize the way in which we're going to pay out creators.
	It's going to be very rewarding to creators that work very hard, put in the hours, and provide exclusive content to Rumble Premium.
	And that's something that we're really, really keen on launching with our new dashboard for creators.
	So, you know, you hit certain metrics and you do certain things within Rumble.
	You'll then qualify.
	And it won't be a subjective qualification.
	This will be a very objective qualification based on milestones.
	You hit those milestones and then you'll immediately be enrolled into this creator program, which will then provide you far greater revenue opportunities than you typically see on any other.
	So that's what we're driving towards as the new thing for Rumble in early 2025.
	And gaming and crypto are the two categories that we're looking to propel that.
	Now, I'm going to ask you this question because I know that, first of all, there was a lawsuit filed in terms of the advertiser boycott or the organized campaign to demonetize Rumble as a platform.
	Anything public that you can discuss in terms of the status of that lawsuit and how that interplay now is working with Rumble Studio and the real-time auction for ads on Rumble Studio?
	No update that I can provide publicly yet.
	Where it did leave off is that obviously we've updated our lawsuit to include more defendants in the GARM lawsuit.
	And we've obviously saw GARM disband itself a couple days after we filed.
	So no updates yet, but it's something that I think is going to change very rapidly.
	And what we did say in our earnings call recently is that we did get...
	One advertiser that did cancel us come back.
	I'm unable to say the name yet, but they'll be deploying ad budget in December.
	So things are changing.
	I'd like it to be faster, but sometimes slow and steady wins the race.
	We did get one advertiser back in the fold, which is great news.
	And it's a very well-known advertiser that everyone knows.
	Well, and it happens very slowly then all at once when they realize, yeah, this is where the eyeballs are for long format content.
	And I don't care what they say.
	People want to advertise where the eyeballs are, set aside the political discrimination that they've been engaging in.
	Second Amendment channels, Chris, is Rumble looking at those?
	Because I know that they systematically get demonetized on YouTube and they're massive and have wildly engaged followings.
	Oh no, we absolutely are.
	This is a very important category to us.
	That's one I already kind of consider part of the free speech category in a way.
	In terms of drift categories like gaming and crypto, I think they're very much different than what we currently have.
	But in terms of the Second Amendment, GunTube, we're all in on that.
	We're looking at as much as we can do on that front, talking to as many people as possible to see how we can do that and make that work.
	Last question before we get into the crypto rumble investing in Bitcoin.
	Some people are concerned or nervous as to what happens when Locals gets fully integrated into Rumble.
	Some people are concerned that Locals will cease to exist, that it'll be merged into the aggregate of Rumble.
	Locals is going to continue to exist as a standalone product, standalone community?
	Yes. At this point, what we're trying to do is give them greater options on Rumble.
	You can do a lot of these things on Rumble.
	If you continue to want to use locals, you're more than welcome to.
	We find that the bigger complaint right now is that...
	People don't like promoting Rumble and then Locals.
	It takes away a lot of the oomph.
	So we're trying to get all those features into Rumble as quickly as possible.
	So we'll see where that goes.
	As of this moment right now, we're all about keeping those two brands integrated as much as possible, but also separated in the sense that there's zero plan right now to remove that platform.
	It's here to stay for the moment.
	And I lied.
	It's not the last one.
	The last question before getting into the crypto, Netflix ran one of the Paul brothers, I forget which Paul it was, Mike Tyson, fight.
	Lagging, delays, spinning wheels.
	Rumble is very well, I mean, it's already ahead of the game with Power Slap, or at least it was.
	Any possibility of getting into that?
	I do think Netflix is taking pages out of our book.
	We're the first ones to do that when bringing in slap fighting on Rumble Live.
	And I think that Netflix is going to become more like Rumble in a lot of ways.
	And Rumble with Rumble Premium is kind of becoming a little bit more like them.
	And I think there's going to be a convergence of all these markets.
	It's going to take a couple of years, but it's going to happen.
	And you're going to see basically a lot of different platforms with a lot of different exclusive content.
	And it's almost going to be like cable TV with different cable networks.
	You're going to have different platforms with their own types of content.
	And I think a lot of these companies are here to stay, whether it's going to be YouTube or Netflix or Rumble.
	All these companies eventually will converge and they'll have their own lanes with their own content.
	And everyone's going to pick what they like and what they don't like and kind of go into Maybe flip-flop between those different platforms or maybe be dedicated to only one.
	But I do see the 1970s and 80s cable networks kind of being the new platforms of today.
	So I think that's kind of where the market's going to go in the next decade.
	Remains to be seen, but that's kind of what we're betting on and that's kind of how we're designing things here at Rumble to go forward.
	Okay, very cool.
	And now...
	The rumble investing in Bitcoin, publicly disclosed in Investopedia was talking about it, planning to allocate part of its cash reserve to Bitcoin.
	I'm going to get a second part of that question, but what's that about and how far along is that?
	Well, we just approved with our board that we're going to have a Bitcoin treasury strategy.
	We're all in on Bitcoin as a company.
	We love this community.
	Just like we're moving into the gaming community, we're going into the crypto community.
	And one of the things that I think is very important is to not be disingenuous when you enter these communities.
	You've got to really mean it, really want to be in it.
	And I think having a treasury, a Bitcoin treasury.
	Shows how much we mean it and how bullish we are on this community for Rumble.
	When you look at Bitcoin and you look at Rumble, you almost kind of feel the same kind of ethos.
	Like freedom, freedom of speech, Bitcoin, decentralization, it all kind of goes hand in hand.
	These are two things that operate very close to each other.
	If there's any company that's going to step into this first and do it first...
	It has to be Rumble.
	Rumble is the same ethos in my opinion.
	So stepping in and obviously we're not the first ones to do it, but in terms of a brand platform...
	We are the first brand platform to do it that I can think of publicly.
	But it's something that I think is very important.
	It shows how genuine we are about this community.
	It also shows that we're pretty confident about the forward years of our business and where it's going to go.
	So I'm excited.
	I think that this is a...
	This is a pretty cool move that I think many other companies in the future will follow.
	I do think this will be a corporate strategy amongst the biggest companies in the world one day.
	And I think Rumble being one of the first movers is important.
	And that's what we wanted to do.
	We want to show our commitment to the community.
	We want to show that we believe in it.
	And we want to be there first.
	And a treasury means, is it just a hard investment?
	I don't know, some of these platforms offer a bit of interest on the investment, but is it just investing a fixed amount in Bitcoin?
	Yeah, it's just taking some of our excess cash that we have that we won't need and moving some of that into holding Bitcoin instead of holding cash.
	Okay. And the other question that this flows into is, first of all, other cryptocurrencies, Bitcoin, Litecoin, what's the other one there?
	Ethereum or is it going to be specific to Bitcoin?
	This is exclusively for Bitcoin.
	Okay. And then the other question that people are asking is crypto transactions on the platform.
	I have no idea what goes into allowing that, but is that on the horizon for Rumble?
	This is a big step that we want to take.
	We're definitely looking for a partner right now and we're talking to a few in order to integrate.
	And one of the things we're looking for is a partner that's going to be using our cloud.
	And so if we're going to support their platform, we want them to support ours.
	And that's something we're very, very much looking at right now and something that I do want to integrate as soon as possible.
	So, yes, we love the ability for people to...
	Tip and to be able to subscribe.
	In crypto, we'd love the ability to pay creators in crypto.
	How we're going to manage that and how we're going to do it remains to be seen, but it's something that I'm very, very keen on getting done and finding the right partner to do it.
	Okay, very cool.
	And something that you talk about a lot and I don't think people fully appreciate what it means or at least what the options are.
	Rumble Cloud Services is in fact competing with AWS.
	You've built your own cloud, you've built your own services so that people no longer have to be reliant on the highly politicized AWS.
	Can you flesh that out for what it means for people who might not know that they even need to or want to use Rumble Cloud Services?
	Yeah, so Rumble Cloud is a competitor to AWS.
	It's a competitor to Oracle's.
	It's a competitor to Microsoft Azure and Google Cloud and many others.
	But generally speaking, as we all saw what happened to Parler many, many years ago, companies like Amazon that don't carry the same ethos and the same values as Bitcoin or as Rumble.
	We'll, you know, press a button, shut you down if they want to.
	So we came up with RumbleCloud.
	We've been building it for the last four years and we launched it this year publicly for the public to use in earlier this year, I think is second quarter of this year or late first quarter.
	And the idea of that is basically giving everybody the option to pick.
	A cloud that has the same values that they might have in terms of freedom of expression and how we do business rather than the big tech companies.
	In addition to that, I also believe there's like I believe the current The market in the cloud business is like an oligopoly.
	It is an oligopoly controlled by a couple of big companies and control the majority of the market.
	And they price gouge quite a bit.
	So not only do you have the ethos that you have with Rumble and RumbleCloud, but you also have the ability to really cut costs as well.
	And I think there's an opportunity there to save people a lot of money by moving over to RumbleCloud.
	So both on the ethos and obviously on the price competitiveness, that's kind of where we're attacking when it comes to RumbleCloud.
	This is a question from our locals community, Coddlefish, and I think it was on the table a little while ago.
	Have you considered short clips like reels added to the platform?
	I recall that Rumble was working on something like the equivalent of shorts.
	Yeah, so we're definitely, that's something that we've been working on.
	That got delayed to earlier next year, just because we're trying to, we reshifted our priorities.
	We're really focused on gifted subs, reposting, and the new creator dashboard and the new creator program.
	So we want to get those out the door before we get that out the door.
	So once we get those out the door, a lot more attention will be towards Rumble Shorts.
	All right, and now for those who might have missed the last earnings call, and if you know the numbers offhand, I mean, viewership, it's an amazing thing when you see the top three, the top five live streams on Earth or on Rumble.
	The most important metrics for Rumble, new users, daily users, unique users, can you share those numbers and how they're evolving over quarters?
	Yeah, so the last quarter, we had 67 million monthly active users that we reported, with the majority in US and Canada.
	I think that's a real important...
	The majority of our users are US-based.
	They're not coming from anywhere else in the world.
	Second, we had record revenue.
	We also reported that we're on our way to having sequential revenue growth again here in Q4.
	For us, it was a very exciting quarter.
	I think that I'm really looking forward to 2025 more than ever now with all the new things kind of coming around and introducing all these new product features.
	I think we'll be able to have a really exciting year.
	Okay, and now getting into Canada a little bit.
	Chris, I know you've got to duck out soon, so I won't hold you for too long.
	Canada. Canada.
	So, Rumble is still out in Russia, not in Russia, still not in France unless you have a VPN, still not in Brazil.
	Has there been any headway on getting back into the Brazil market?
	No, none.
	Not unless we start censoring creators.
	And, you know, that's not something we're going to do.
	But I do hope that the U.S. will, now with the new administration incoming, things are going to change around the world, and I'm pretty confident that they will.
	So, hopefully we see change on that front.
	But Canada, on the other hand, what a mess.
	Well, I don't want to get you into trouble.
	I don't know if I'm in trouble with the government yet.
	We expect elections in 2025, but those who think everything would change under the Conservatives, maybe you're right, maybe not.
	But what is the situation in Canada now?
	There were a bunch of laws passed 2023-2024 as relates to the internet.
	Has it made it less competitive, or not less competitive, but more costly and less effective to be doing business in Canada?
	Not yet on the law front for censorship.
	Not yet.
	I think there's a lot coming that they're proposing that is going to be very, very damaging to Canada.
	But I'm pretty confident they're not going to get those passed in the next year.
	And with the momentum against the current government right now, I think we're going to see some change over there.
	But we need to see it sooner than later.
	Canada is going to get a real world of hurt.
	You saw that 25%.
	I'm going to talk about that a little bit afterwards.
	With Canada, with Mexico, it's terrible.
	Trudeau will work with the Trump government, but he needs to just get out of power, as do the Liberals.
	But the replacement is not much better, even with the Conservatives, and probably even worse with the NDP.
	Yeah, no.
	You know what I'm afraid of in Canada?
	I'm afraid of what happened in France is going to happen in Canada.
	I'm afraid they're going to make deals with the NDP to drop out of certain districts or liberals will drop out of certain districts to get the vote above the 50% mark in those districts.
	I'm very fearful of that.
	I feel like that's one route that Macron took in France, which was, you know, I've never seen it before.
	He lost the popular vote by 5 million.
	It was 10 to 5 and Le Pen still lost because of the way they managed to do the districts and pull out candidates in certain districts.
	I see Canada doing a really sneaky move like that.
	I think Canada is going to have to win by a lot more than 50% this time in order to win in the next election.
	I wouldn't, you know, don't put that past these guys.
	No, no, the NDP is, I think they're even sneakier than the Liberals because at least the Liberals are in your face with it.
	A question from Steve Brittany says, if I become a creator, will I be able to integrate with Locals and Rumble Premium for exclusive content seamlessly?
	Also, right now I seem to be double paying for the creator part and Rumble Premium, which seems redundant.
	Yeah, so Locals is you're paying for a specific creator.
	Rumble Premium is you're getting no ads on all creators.
	So it's a completely different tool and a different product.
	In terms of content that's there, every creator might have their own Locals, but it doesn't mean they're on Rumble Premium.
	Rumble Premium is a completely different product than what a Locals product would be for a creator.
	So if you love your creator...
	I recommend just sticking to that creator.
	And if there's creators that Rumble Premium have, it's a completely different product.
	I wouldn't confuse the two.
	Okay, excellent.
	And Encryptus, another good one, which goes back to the cloud.
	Rumble Cloud needs a bedrock competitor, an AI platform that is not in bed with open AI and their woke models.
	What is your take on AI and inclusion in Rumble Cloud as an offering?
	It's something that we're discussing a lot.
	We recently provided H100s over to some other client's sticker mule recently.
	So they're starting to use our GPUs for their AI processing.
	But having an actual AI product in Rumble is something that we're still working on.
	The engine of Rumble Cloud more so than getting out some software products and some AI products, but that's something that we're definitely discussing and definitely want to integrate in the future as priorities shift.
	Very cool.
	One last one, Chris, and then I know you've got to go.
	Our company is heavily involved in the music and teleproduction industry.
	We also have the ability to recruit new people to Rumble and support Rumble producers.
	I haven't been able to locate a point of contact from Rumble.
	From Paracleric in our locals community.
	So Rumble's open to everybody to register an account and be able to bring on.
	I'm not sure what exactly you need the contact for, but if there was more detail on what you're looking for from Rumble on Rumble's end, that would be helpful.
	I tell people to tag Rumble and everybody from the team on Twitter because you...
	I think the only other CEO on Earth who's equally involved on an active basis is Elon, but you guys are very, very active in responding on...
	Yeah, one of the things is we get like, you know...
	Thousands upon thousands of requests to talk to people in our company.
	And it's just like, how do you set up an account?
	If it's something that requires our assistance, we'll definitely assist as much as we possibly can.
	But we do have tons of requests of people saying they're going to bring so much to Rumble.
	And who do I talk to?
	It's difficult to manage all those requests and try to figure out which ones to prioritize.
	But we try our best.
	All of us are on X and on truth and trying to answer as many questions as possible and help as much as possible.
	Chris, it's amazing.
	You're doing the...
	I mean, look, I think everybody watching now appreciates there were several players who were key in turning the world around in the 2024 election, and many of them are on the Rumble platform.
	Rumble being one, Bongino being the other.
	I mean, Rumble is doing...
	It's changing the world.
	I mean, you know it, you know it, and my goodness, it's great to see.
	Chris, did I forget to say anything, or is there anything you want to mention?
	Let's hope that we can help Canada here in the next year, kind of, you know.
	Shift their direction a little bit in terms of where they've been going.
	It's not been good.
	So anything we can do to push freedom expression in other countries and other places, I think that's kind of like the next frontier for us.
	It's got to come from the groundswell of the people.
	And the problem is I don't see it yet coming from a groundswell of the people up in Canada.
	There are still too many people who still believe the trucker protest was illegal and that what we see going on in Canada right now is totally normal protest.
	Yeah, hopefully we see change.
	I think we will.
	I think 2025 is going to be an incredible year for Rumble, hopefully for Canada as well, and the entire world.
	So I'm stoked.
	I can't wait.
	From your mouth to God's ears, Chris, thank you very much for coming on.
	It's great to see you, and we'll keep in touch.
	All right.
	Thanks a lot, Viva.
	Thanks for having me on.
	Thank you.
	Now I've got to go kick Chris from studio.
	I feel terrible doing this.
	Oh, he kicked himself.
	Okay. People!
	First of all, that entire time I was kind of distracted by the...
	I feel like I look more haggard without the facial hair than with it.
	That's Chris Pavlovsky.
	Ten years ago, if you had asked him if he would have foreseen himself being on the forefront of the fight for...
	I'll be a little hyperbolic.
	The fight for civilization.
	I don't think he would have quite seen where this was going ten years ago.
	I gotta go pull up my original viral video on Rumble.
	But he's amazing.
	Everybody should be following him.
	I mean, I'll put his link up.
	But Chris Pavlovsky, hold on, over on Twitter.
	Pavlovsky. It is Chris Pavlovsky.
	P-A-V-L-O-V-S-K-I.
	Chris on Rumble.
	Not to be confused with Pavlovsky.
	Artur Pavlovsky.
	Pronounced the same way, but Artur spells his with W's.
	The Polish spelling.
	Did I miss anything?
	I think I got everything, and we had limited time with Chris.
	So, fantastic, Chris, if you're still watching.
	Thank you.
	Now, I see in the backdrop, he has not activated his camera yet, John Beaudoin Sr., who you might remember from such podcasts as Viva Frye and John Beaudoin.
	Now, if you don't know who John Beaudoin is, we'll do the 30,000-foot summary overview.
	But John sent me something yesterday, and he's working on more stuff.
	I know John has been working on COVID stats.
	John, your mic is on.
	Just don't do anything embarrassing.
	He's been doing a lot of great COVID work in terms of stats, and he sent me something yesterday, and I'm like, is that the person who I...
	I didn't understand what was going on in the video.
	John is going to break it down.
	Sir, you're on.
	How goes the battle?
	Now you're on mute.
	Unmute yourself.
	I've never noticed the color of your eyes, but the backdrop matches the color of your eyes.
	You have green eyes?
	No, I don't.
	What are you talking about?
	I have brown eyes.
	Maybe it's the reflection of the green backdrop.
	It's probably interpolation in the color scheme of, well, whatever.
	By the way, is that backdrop so that you can do superimposing backdrop screens?
	Yeah, but I can't seem to get a virtual background working when I talk to you.
	So now it's just a green shower curtain.
	I'm going to get so much...
	Somebody's going to yell at me for this.
	She hates it when I have the green screen.
	When I was in Seja, which is like the two years in between high school and university in Quebec, and I was doing film, we were doing film production, and there was a green screen in the studio.
	And like an idiot that I was, I wanted to stick something to the green screen, so I didn't have any of that tacky, wacky tack, whatever that blue stuff is, so I used a piece of gum.
	And then the gum got stuck to the green screen, and then the teacher's like, that cost $10,000, and I was like, oh my god, does it?
	Apparently it didn't.
	The teacher just was hyperbolic and said everything cost $10,000.
	John. Let's get into what the hell's going on, man.
	First of all, for those who may be meeting you for the first time, a very quick elevator pitch as to who you are.
	Sure. Well, I'm an engineer by degree, and then I was in sales of very large semiconductor research contracts for big companies.
	A lot of military and aerospace, plus Intel, AT&T, and so forth.
	So I had a career in putting contracts together, large contracts with multi-billion dollar corporations, sometimes talking to the CEOs, CFOs, and it was all about...
	Strategic planning to get people to sign on the bottom line, to make tens of millions of dollars.
	And then COVID hit.
	And well, I went to get an MBA in my 50s.
	I got it.
	But then my son died.
	And I sat on the couch for a couple of years and COVID hit.
	I have two other sons.
	I raised three boys pretty much on my own.
	And then I started digging in.
	And once I dug in, I'm like, holy crap, they're lying about everything.
	Not just what I thought they were lying about, you know, masks work.
	I knew that wasn't true because I'm an engineer.
	You know, doctors don't know a darn thing about it.
	So then I looked, when I got the records of, they said a little girl died, seven-year-old.
	So I got all the records, and I found out that they indeed said on her death certificate she died from COVID.
	But I have another record.
	Seven-year-old girl injected, reacted in five minutes, vomited for eight to ten hours, didn't have a bowel movement for three days, and she died.
	And so they're lying.
	They're telling people.
	On the death records, the official records from the state of Massachusetts that people are dying from COVID when they're really dying from the vaccine.
	And then I started doing data analysis and I found out stuff nobody in the world has found.
	And it is amazing.
	I've never even thought to ask the question.
	you sort of assume that death certificates are objective, like motorcycle crash or something.
	But then when we found out, or at least I found out later on in COVID, very subjective and they can add whatever contributing elements they want, regardless of temporal proximity.
	And so they could...
	I'll take George Floyd as an example, ignore the COVID aspect of his death and then focus it on the proximity of the knee and call it homicide, ignoring also the proximate drug.
	Whereas in another case, they could focus on the COVID proximity, even though it's not the most proximate cause of death, to add it as a contributing factor so they could jack up the numbers.
	So you started doing the deep dive into the data.
	You wrote a book.
	I've written a couple of books.
	It's called The Real CDC.
	And thank you for mentioning that because I always forget.
	As do I. I forgot the title.
	I forget to tell people where to go.
	It's therealcdc.com.
	It's really easy.
	Therealcdc.com.
	And the thesis of the book is that you got the stats, you go through the codes to see what was attributed to what, and your ultimate spoiler for the book was what?
	Well, there's a number of things.
	Number one, the COVID overcounting was a massive amount of fraud, which are federal felonies committed every day as a matter of custom and practice by the officials in Massachusetts, medical examiners, chief medical examiner.
	I do have a lawsuit still.
	It's at the First Circuit on appeal against the governor, public health commissioner, chief medical examiner, and four individual named medical examiners.
	I just have another appeal.
	We can talk about that later against the law school.
	I think I just won my appeal, David.
	The law school was because you were excluded for not having gotten the jibby jab, even though, if I don't want to misremember, a portion of it was online and they still insisted on it?
	Am I mixing up?
	Well, that really doesn't have much to do with it.
	I mean, that was how they conducted the school in the first year.
	In the second year, they weren't going to do that.
	So they said, you have to get a vaccine.
	But I said, yeah, but I have an email with the director of admissions where I said, I can't get the vaccine because I'm deaf in one ear from a kid getting a shot.
	When I was a kid getting a shot, I'm not getting it.
	Do you have an exemption?
	And the director of admissions wrote back with four sentences.
	And here we go talking about the case.
	The first sentence, don't worry, you're over 30. You don't have to get it.
	The second sentence, nobody from the school is going to ask you if you got it.
	The third sentence, if a doctor says you don't have to get it, you don't have to get it.
	And the fourth sentence, trust me, nobody from the school is going to be first in line for that vaccine.
	Now, this was August of 2020 before the vaccine came out.
	And I specifically said the COVID vaccine.
	So they're saying that the third sentence conditions the prior two.
	And I'm saying, no, they're independent sentences.
	And so we had a discussion with a three-judge panel in Massachusetts.
	It sounds like they're going to line up with me and I'll be back in on the contract violations.
	I don't think I'll be back in on the Consumer Protection Act, which is a separate kind of thing.
	Okay, very cool.
	I mean, small victories three years later.
	You should be great.
	We'll see.
	I mean, I'm hoping, I'm like 99% sure I'll be able to get a jury trial, or at least discovery.
	Because it was dismissed at a preliminary stage before even getting to jury.
	Oh, yeah.
	It was dismissed on a, I mean, the judge told me it's not about standing.
	He told me I was wrong when I said it was about standing.
	It was about sufficiently pled facts on the face of the complaint, right?
	I thought that was standing, but he's saying no, it's got nothing to do with standing.
	No, because you've got failure to state a claim, you've got standing, you've got latches, failure to state a claim.
	You've got a whole arsenal to dismiss.
	Well, B1 is subject matter jurisdiction, and B6, 12B6 is the failure to state a claim.
	Both of those are considered by legal scholars as standing arguments, not just the B1 subject matter.
	But anyway, I don't want to...
	I don't want to make that right.
	So bottom line, the real CDC, data was all wonky.
	Everyone can go back and watch our prior interviews.
	But the latest...
	Look, I'm going to play the video just to befuddle everybody as much as I was befuddled when you send this to me.
	It's a little long, but we've got to play the whole thing.
	You've got to say who he is, first of all.
	This is Joseph...
	Is it Ladipo or Ladipo?
	Dr. Joseph Ladipo is the Surgeon General of Florida.
	And I like him.
	This is why I saw the video, and I'm like, that can't be him, because it's granulated, it's pixelated.
	It can't be him.
	I don't even understand the evasion on the answer, but this is the Surgeon General of Florida, and I keep saying Lopato, but it's Lodipo.
	Joseph Lattipo.
	But listen to this.
	The question, I think it should be clear enough.
	I'll play it up.
	To help John get traction in his work.
	To help John get traction.
	Dr. Lattipo, John has tried to get the Massachusetts Information Immunization System database in order to correlate with death certificates to finally answer the question, are they bad?
	Are they killing people?
	And he was foiled.
	They refused to give him that information.
	I'll pause it here just for context.
	This is, are they bad?
	We're talking about the jab.
	And we're talking about Florida stats, correct?
	Well, everywhere.
	Are they bad?
	I mean, if they're bad in Florida, they're bad everywhere.
	So I'm asking for the Florida immunization information records so that I can determine once and for all, what are the reactions people are having and are they dying from it?
	That's all.
	And COVID jab.
	We're not talking about measles, measles, lung, rubella, COVID.
	Okay. Correct.
	Is that something that you'd be willing to do?
	Have John go down to Florida and access that database and finally answer the question?
	Just to highlight, would you provide John?
	Maybe the answer would be, you know, John is a civilian and we're not going to give him access to that.
	That would be the answer if you want to really just wheeze a lot of it quickly.
	Listen to this.
	Yeah, thanks for your question.
	I don't understand the dramatic pause here.
	Hold on, stop.
	There's tension between the two of you.
	Am I wrong?
	Well, yeah.
	No, there's no tension, I don't think.
	But I had walked up to his table where he was selling his books and I was selling my books in the lobby.
	Somebody else was speaking and everybody had piled in.
	So it was the two of us.
	So I walked over and I said, hey, Dr. Lattipal, I'm John Bodwin.
	I've done some research and he stopped me and said, I'm familiar with your work, John.
	And then...
	I said, okay, well, I'd like to offer pro bono that I audit the public health data of Florida so that everybody can finally know.
	And he stopped me and said, I'm not convinced of your methodology.
	If you could send me a methodology statement, here's my email address.
	I promise that we will take a look at it.
	That was pretty much the extent of the conversation.
	So then an hour later, he's talking and I'm sitting next to him.
	And some guy from the audience that I know him.
	And I didn't know he was going to ask this.
	He asked that question.
	Okay. And actually, I'm going to take a note just so you can describe.
	What would a methodology statement look like?
	What would that look like if you have to describe your methodology?
	Legit question.
	What would the answer look like to that?
	It's basically what you're going to do.
	So these are the steps.
	And this is the risk mitigation in whatever statistics I put out.
	Here's the risk that they're not correct.
	So you have to look at it from both sides.
	And just explain what you're going to do and how your methodology is maybe different from others or basically say what you're going to do.
	So I sent it to him last night.
	Sorry. Okay, very cool.
	And I asked the other obvious question.
	Who's this woman and why is her arm on his leg?
	It's an obvious answer.
	That's his wife.
	Okay, fine.
	Fine, Isaac.
	Oh, my goodness.
	That's his wife.
	Well, he told everybody he doesn't go anywhere and speak without his wife, and she speaks also.
	So wherever he speaks, she speaks with him.
	What kind of conferences?
	Okay, fine.
	I'm going to play.
	It makes things so precarious right now for anyone who isn't playing on the team with everyone else.
	In leadership, all of the stations of power, one of the things that makes it so curious is that judgment is very tricky.
	And things that seem to be the right way to go may lead to you getting guillotined.
	Or things that seem like...
	Like the next thing to do may be something that leads you down a path that ends your career and your ability to influence.
	What the hell is he talking about?
	I should let it play out because what the hell does he mean by the guillotine?
	This is one of the things that I was talking about earlier and it relates to what Brianna was just saying.
	It's very tricky.
	And if you look at the battlefield, you'll see that unfortunately...
	If you look at the battlefield, it is very sadly littered with the bodies of people with very good intentions who unfortunately Turned left when they should have turned right or ducked when they should have jumped.
	And they paid a price for it.
	And it's completely unfair.
	But unfortunately, currently, that is the shape of the landscape.
	So with John, I actually, this is the first time we met today, and we actually had a conversation today.
	But it isn't the first time I have...
	I pretty much consider, very thoughtfully, every offer or opportunity that is presented to me, and then I have to make a decision about what direction to go.
	So for the purpose of privacy, unless you want me to disclose more, John, I'll tell you that we had a conversation, and we have some next steps that we talked about, and then we'll see where those go.
	So that's what I'll say.
	I mean, I'm not trying to be obtuse.
	What the hell was the guillotine part of that statement about?
	Like, if you report the wrong stuff that's unfavorable, you'll be out of a job referring to himself or referring to you?
	Himself. I mean, I can't speak for him, but every part of that said, if I give you access to the database so that we get the truth to the people, I'm going to lose my job.
	Get guillotined.
	I don't want to be one who turns left when I should have turned right.
	I don't want to be one who ducks when I should have jumped.
	And yeah, it was all about, I'm not going to do that because I'll lose my job.
	That's what I got out of it.
	I don't see how to get anything else out of it.
	And what the request was, was to access the stats.
	He has control, I presume, or access to Florida, not nationally, but there is a national.
	Is there a national aggregated database?
	Yeah, the national one is called the Immunization Information System of the federal government, which is an aggregate of all the states.
	The Massachusetts one is called the Massachusetts Immunization Information System.
	But other states have the California Immunization Registry, CARES, and then Indiana has CHIRP.
	They have different acronyms.
	They're all the same thing.
	I love these crazy acronyms.
	Okay, fine.
	So he's basically saying, unless we're totally misreading it, If you get access and you report something, it'll put me out of a job and or I might have to say, well, you didn't interpret it properly because there's a certain discretionary element in it.
	The bottom line, what are you believing?
	What is your belief or at least what are you able to demonstrate now that the stats would show?
	And I'm going to go try to pull up the tweet that I think or the graphic that would show that.
	But what is the bottom line of where you're at right now and what information is it based on?
	And how reliable is your current assessment?
	Well, it's a big question.
	I'll try to get through it as succinctly as I can.
	It's going to be hard.
	So there can be no conclusive proof without individual record inspection, not just a death record, but the person's medical file.
	They may have appeared to have died from something on the death record, but when you look under the hood...
	And you find out what really happened.
	Like, if I had the immunization records, a woman who died from a blunt force trauma to the head, who died in the parking lot on the way to her car from her job.
	She fell down, hit her head, and the blunt force trauma to her head killed her.
	Well, why did she fall down?
	She had a pulmonary embolism and passed out.
	Why did she have a pulmonary embolism?
	She had the vaccine two days before.
	Is this an actual example?
	Yeah, I found that one, yeah.
	That's just one small example.
	So the individual records are where the evidentiary proof is, where if you're before, you know, a judge or a jury, or let's just say the court of public opinion, all the real evidence is in what are the hourly medications they got in the hospital?
	What are the, excuse me, what are the...
	The times they get the medications, the hourly vital signs, the daily imaging, the daily blood labs, all those lead to a forensic investigation or evidentiary proof where you know that you've causally traced when did their liver enzymes or their creatinine levels go bad?
	When did their kidneys start failing?
	And if they didn't start failing after one drug, but they did start failing after another two weeks later, doctors can figure it out.
	That is the type of evidentiary proof I bring.
	When it does say on the death record, under causes of death, that they got the vaccine and they died from a pulmonary embolism two days later and the death certifier medical examiner looked at the records and stated that the vaccine was the cause of death, then yeah, you can assume that that has been certified.
	That's a fact.
	But what the CDC has been doing is they've been deleting the codes that are associated with the vaccine as a cause of death.
	They've been hiding them from us, David.
	But now that you say it like that, John, I'm thinking maybe that motorcycle guy that they said died from COVID, well, maybe he had a coughing fit from COVID while driving his motorcycle, and that's why they...
	Bada bing, bada boom.
	I'm trying to make a joke in sick time.
	No, I know.
	I get it.
	Let me pull this up, because I think this might be part of what we want to look at.
	What are you finding?
	So last night, I was like, well, let's go look at thrombocytopenia.
	We know thrombocytopenia.
	What is thrombocytopenia again?
	I'm sorry.
	Thrombocytes are platelets.
	They help you clot.
	So thrombocytopenia is a low platelet count where you have difficulty clotting.
	So this happens in a lot of hemorrhage deaths.
	You end up with, you know, intracerebral hemorrhage.
	So a hemorrhagic stroke, bleeding in the brain.
	It occurs in the setting of thromocytopenia.
	You can't clot fast enough to heal it, so your brain basically explodes.
	Is this related to ruptured aneurysm type things or not necessarily?
	A little bit different, but yes and no.
	It's two rate functions, scoring and repairing.
	If you can't repair fast enough and the scoring blows a hole through your aorta.
	Yeah, you're going to have an aortic dissection.
	So I would say that you don't need thrombocytopenia for that to happen.
	If all of the lipid nanoparticles end up in one part of your aorta and they transfect there and all your T cells attack and eat away a hole in your aorta, then thrombocytopenia is probably not part of it.
	I'll just read the AI overview.
	It says, it's a condition in which the body has lower number of platelets in the blood, making it harder for blood to clot.
	Okay, so that's a condition, but not a cause of death.
	Well, yes.
	The ischemia that comes along with it.
	So it's thrombosis in the setting of thrombocytopenia as well.
	So you're right.
	It's a condition.
	It's not causing the death.
	The weird thing is that you've got clots going on at the same time you don't have enough platelets to clot.
	I can only ask questions as to what the nature of those clots are.
	If they're not blood clots, then they might be...
	No, they're blood clots.
	The blood system is dysregulated.
	I'm not a doctor.
	I'm not a scientist.
	But from the data, even two and a half years ago in some of my articles, I've shown that the blood is very dysregulated.
	And the blood is made in the marrow and the lymph.
	And the marrow and the lymph are the first signs of cancer that occurred.
	Two and a half years ago, I found it.
	And now they're through the roof.
	400% of normal in Massachusetts for lymph node cancer.
	400% of normal.
	Because that's what I was going to get at.
	Like, oh, I'm going to get at the obvious thing one way or the other.
	Four times more.
	Yeah. And one way or the other, there's, I don't know if you call it a signal.
	Who's diagnosing the thrombocytopenia here?
	Like, this is not...
	This is based on medical reports, so it's not like the method through which this is determined is no different than the method through which the last decade was determined.
	That's correct?
	Correct. Now, the interesting thing is you can say pneumonia, and they don't really know about pneumonia sometimes, so they'll just say unspecified, so they don't know if it's bacterial, viral, or fungal, or they say cardiac arrest, which really doesn't mean anything but your heart stop.
	Those are kind of generic.
	When they write thromocytopenia, they have a blood test.
	That shows a low platelet count.
	So this one, you can be assured, is accurate.
	Not some of the others that they write.
	You know, it depends on the codes.
	And that's why it's so important to investigate the individual records to determine causality.
	And the methodology statement that I just sent Dr. Ladipo, it's called top-down investigation, bottom-up quantification.
	So you start with looking for where the hot spots and anomalies.
	So what's in excess?
	What age group, what cause of death, and everything else?
	And when you find an anomaly in the data, you go look at the individual records.
	You can't look at 60,000, but you can look at 200.
	So if you narrow it down to the 200 thrombocytopenia deaths or the 200 acute renal failure deaths that are in, say, 18 to 44s who are otherwise healthy, then now you have a really good investigational path.
	You go and look at their hospital files.
	And it's there where you find the conclusive evidence.
	You find the conclusive evidence in the individual records using experts to evaluate those records.
	And once you figure out, if you tie, say, we're talking about the jab, right?
	So if you tie the jab to the condition over and over and over in those 200.
	Well, now you know that it causes it.
	You've determined causality.
	How many did it affect?
	You go look for the excess back up through the hierarchy of data in the aggregate of everybody.
	So that's the bottom-up quantification.
	So now you quantify how many people died.
	And what I did for acute renal failure, I don't know if you have it up, but it's over 50. It's a separate chart.
	I don't think I have it on the backdrop.
	Oh, okay.
	So it's 15,000 excess.
	In Florida alone, it's over 150,000 in the United States, and because the ages are so much younger, the only thing that took more life years from Americans in the last 100 years is World War II.
	How can you have what you call a public health department of every state, and then the CDC and FDA and NIH, how can they exist and not know that something killed 155,000 Americans, or in the state of Florida, under the purview of Dr. Latipo, I'm telling him in the methodology statement, I give an example of acute renal failure, which is sudden kidney failure.
	You didn't have a problem before, all of a sudden you have a problem.
	And it amounts to 15,400?
	It's in the area of 15,400.
	It's over 15,000 people going down to the ages of 18 years old.
	And I mean, I can tell you what it's attributed to, but I can't tell you for sure because the medical files need to be looked into.
	Thousands of people that work for a health department who should be investigating this are not looking.
	And I'm telling them how to look, where to look, how to look efficiently.
	I have a full 25-page methodology statement I just sent to them.
	Acute renal failure leading to death or as a diagnosis?
	These are all deaths, but there are a lot of diagnoses that people are still alive on dialysis.
	Yeah, that would find even more records under Medicare and Medicaid if they let me look at that database.
	So that's 15,000 excess in Florida.
	Which year over which year?
	Oh, that was 2020 through 2024, up to November.
	So it's 15,000 over four years.
	Five years.
	Do you have...
	I can't find it.
	If you can find it, send it to me in the...
	There is a private chat.
	Yeah, send it to me in the private chat.
	But do you have that broken down over years?
	Is there a way to exclude the fact that it's COVID itself?
	Or, I don't know, maybe anomalous in that it was in 2020 before COVID even hit?
	Yeah, I sent you a nice couple of graphs.
	They're actually in your DMs.
	In my DMs?
	I've got DMs.
	No, I know I've got DMs.
	Let me go check that here.
	John Beaudoin.
	Okay, let me see here.
	It'll say N17.
	It'll say N17.
	15,300.
	Renal failure.
	Okay, right here.
	And that looks like a tweet.
	Well, you know what?
	I'll just bring it up like this.
	Okay. Oh, okay.
	Well, that answers the question as to the years.
	So you got 4,000 more.
	4,000 excess.
	No, sorry.
	The number is 4,000.
	The excess would be...
	Correct. It'll be roughly, it's a jump of, I don't know what, we'll say 20%.
	2019 to 2020.
	There's no vaccine in 2020.
	So people are going to say, well, what's that?
	And then you get a massive bump for the next three years.
	Anybody who's going to want to play devil's advocate for the purposes of not being called an anti-vaxxer is going to say COVID itself causes it and there's a delay.
	Yeah, very easily.
	It didn't happen in the first wave of COVID.
	This didn't happen.
	Also, if you put up the next graph and you divide by all-cause deaths, you find the prevalence of cause, the 2020 number all but disappears.
	Explain what you just said right there.
	So this is what I do that other people don't do.
	When there's excess deaths, a whole bunch, all the causes of death pretty much go up.
	And if they don't go up in proportion to the large body of deaths that would otherwise occur, I know it's hard to follow what I say.
	I'm getting there.
	I'm going to pull up the next graph as well.
	Let me give you an example.
	If 20% of people die with cardiac arrest, and then an extra 10,000 people die of something, you have an excess of 10,000.
	Do you expect that 20% of that excess, or do you expect more than that 20%?
	Well, if the externality or if the disease caused X, right, it should go up more than the 20%, right?
	Of the excess, it should be 20% of the excess should also be cardiac arrest.
	Let's just say cardiac arrest.
	But it's not.
	You know, it should be more than that if it was actually causing it.
	Now, so what I did was I divide everything by all-cause deaths.
	And you see 2020 all but disappears.
	Now, there should be deaths in 2020.
	Here's why.
	And this is where, who's it?
	Dr. Oz was just chosen for CMS.
	That's the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services.
	The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services on November 2nd, 2020, put a bounty on patients.
	I use that word literally.
	They put a bounty on patients.
	If they could get a patient on remdesivir, normotrelvir, ritonavir, those are called Paxilvid.
	So Paxilvid or remdesivir or barisithinib.
	If they can get them on that just on a positive COVID test and they can somehow get them into the ICU for a million bucks, they get an extra $200,000.
	That's 20% of the entire bill just for using a drug.
	And if you look at kidney failure, It takes off not in the first wave in the spring of 2020, not in the summer.
	It takes off later in the year.
	And I think Florida has a lot of old people, so they get the approval to use it earlier than the November 2nd date.
	The November 2nd date's big in Massachusetts and so forth.
	But anyway, so it's hospital homicides.
	And then the vaccine also, so it's about half and half.
	It doesn't matter what I say.
	What matters is the omission of conduct to investigate by the authorities who have a legal duty to do so where the public is in imminent danger of harm.
	They're not doing their duty and we are dying en masse.
	I'm going to do one thing and this is not because I'm scared of being on YouTube.
	It's just because I forgot to end this before.
	And we should go over to Rumble.
	So whoever's on YouTube, not many of you, come on over to Rumble now, and we're going to end this on YouTube and carry on.
	Oh, before I even do that, let me just get the super chat.
	90% of hospital patients receive IV therapy, but did you know that 70% of IV bags contain DHP?
	I don't know what that is.
	A toxic chemical linked to breast, liver, lung, and blood.
	I did not know that.
	But get your butts on over to Rumble and Locals.
	We're going to just update the stream and go over there.
	Okay, so...
	Let me bring back the chart so you can explain it if I still haven't understood it adequately.
	The first chart we showed was just the raw numbers of excess deaths, and it was 800 more in 2020 than 2019, which was, let's just say, rounded up to 20-some-odd percent.
	And now here, what are we looking at?
	It says...
	Divide the number of acute renal failure deaths by the total number of deaths in that period.
	And these are years, so in that year.
	And by doing so, it's the prevalence of that cause of death.
	So like I said before, if 20% of people die of cardiac arrest on year one, and then there's an excess 5,000 deaths in year two, do you expect it to only be the same number of cardiac arrest deaths?
	Or do you expect of those 5,000 excess, there's another 1,000 with cardiac arrest?
	So would you attribute cardiac arrest to the disease?
	If it's only 20% of the excess, I wouldn't.
	But if it's 30%, I'd say, wait a minute, now it's more than what you would expect as a prevalence of cause.
	It's more than the total percentage of all cause deaths.
	So if the percentage of all cause deaths goes up, then yeah, I can make that attribution.
	And you see that 2021 is really where the meat is.
	Something happened in 21. Now, like I'm saying, I have very complicated graphs that show two different signals.
	One is seasonal and one is linearly increasing.
	I don't want to get into the technical part of that too much.
	I show very specifically there are two separate signals killing people by acute renal failure.
	Two. Well, I mean, that's easy because you'll have seasonal every year, but then if it's still going up over time, then the seasonal would make sense, but the overtime would not.
	And what happens with the seasonal is it goes up, it should return to baseline in the summer.
	But it doesn't.
	The baseline goes up, and then the baseline goes up again, and I'm out of your window.
	And the baseline goes up again and again.
	Here, hold on.
	Oh, no, there's no way to make the...
	No, I'll worry about it.
	Okay, and so what is your...
	Look, I'll play devil's advocate just for the sake of it.
	It's a delayed response from the COVID infection itself, or it's a response from the later...
	What is it?
	Not an iteration, but the later variants.
	So they'll say, oh, COVID 1.0 didn't cause it, but COVID 2.0 or 3.14B25 did, if I want to play, you know, that game.
	Okay, then why didn't it happen to people outside the hospitals?
	You know, now that did happen with vaccinated.
	I would say, go look at the unvaccinated.
	Let's look at their records.
	David, all it comes down to is I can solve this whole thing in a week.
	I've been saying this for two and a half years.
	I don't know why the doctors keep looking at the research papers instead of getting on board with me and saying, let's see the records.
	We have the vaccination records of people stored away in government servers and they won't let us see it.
	Now, I don't care about seeing the records.
	I care about the data.
	And all I'm asking, and there's no problem with privacy or letting me see it because I will sign an NDA.
	I will fly to Florida on my dime.
	Pay for a hotel, and I will go to state offices such that the data does not leave.
	And there's no difference between me signing an NDA about personal information and keeping privacy than it is for, I don't know, 10,000 people that work for their health department who work there and also have that restriction on them where they can't divulge it.
	So there's absolutely no reason about privacy to not let me see it.
	We'll sign any contract or NDA and do what they want to keep the names private.
	We just want to correlate.
	The immunization records to the deaths and the causes.
	That's it.
	It's easy.
	It'll be over in a week.
	It's a whole argument.
	Let me bring this up here because there's a couple of chats over on Rumble.
	Craft with Bits says, Dr. Lopato was simply talking about the risk of not being cautious.
	He is correct.
	I understand your objections.
	I don't understand your objections to the statement.
	If that's all he was saying, he could have done it in one sentence without a three-minute hemming and hawing.
	What it sounds like to me is that there's a lot of decisions you have to make based on the data.
	That if you report the wrong stuff, you'll be out of work.
	I didn't take it as simply saying you've got to be cautious.
	His simple answer could have been, I can't give this access to John without proper clearance or whatever.
	So I didn't get that.
	John, what was your take about his answer?
	I mean, if people want to really weave such a pathway through all those words that he said to find that he's trying to be cautious, I don't know what to say.
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	Okay. John, what else was there that we wanted to talk about?
	So I went through AKI.
	My appeal, I think it went well.
	I already talked about that, though, right?
	Yeah. I hope to get an answer soon.
	Oh, Shannon Joy was on yesterday.
	I was watching.
	I like Shannon a lot just because.
	We think a lot about the same stuff.
	She's a little bit more out there than I am, but she's doing well because of it.
	She made a mistake in the CARES Act.
	She said the PREP Act a number of times.
	I do the same thing.
	You make a substitute.
	The PREP Act was passed in 2005, and I think it was the different act.
	She was talking about the CARES Act.
	I call it put a bounty on people's heads.
	Clear that up.
	And the balance he just already understands is it was financially incentivizing certain diagnoses and certain treatments.
	Treatments. Treatments.
	Yeah. Well, diagnoses too.
	You're right.
	COVID. Yeah.
	But the treatment was really bad.
	I really liked what you were saying.
	So my career was in semiconductor research, but I was selling contracts for software licensing.
	And when we moved from perpetual licensing with maintenance to term licensing, I had to talk to a lot of CFOs from very large billion-dollar companies and how we're not screwing them and that they do not, oh, and through mergers and acquisitions of companies, wait a minute, you can't just start using that software.
	We didn't say you could.
	You can't transfer a license.
	And so what Elon Musk did, in essence, is it was his fiduciary duty to actually do that.
	He has to protect the interests of the company in that it's licensed, it's not owned.
	There's a very big difference between licensed and owned.
	You covered it beautifully.
	It was great, but I just wanted to add that it's actually his duty to do that, to make sure.
	You've got to protect the brand.
	Can you imagine in bankruptcy, someone comes in and takes over somebody else's account and the public doesn't know about it, and now it's treated as just an asset in bankruptcy that Infowars goes to?
	I can't even think of a better example, but it's interesting.
	Some people might be shocked at the idea that they can't do whatever the heck they want with their own Twitter handles.
	I had long meetings about that with guys banging their fists on the table and screaming at me at a very high level.
	When you explain it in terms of...
	You understand goodwill on a balance sheet, right?
	Branding and stuff like that is part of goodwill on a balance sheet.
	It's important to understand the accounting.
	And when you just go off and start yelling, you're not understanding.
	But once you explain it to them, they get it.
	What if somebody were to buy my product and then I have another deal going that I just put 10 years of effort into and then they say, you know what, we're just going to sell it to this other guy.
	It's like, no, it's licensed.
	It's not an asset.
	It's not a tangible asset.
	You don't own the software.
	You own the license.
	We specifically say in the contract it's not transferable.
	And therefore, you can't eat up the rest of our market.
	Elon's protecting his market.
	It's a very good move, especially for the public to understand.
	And the public should be like, well, what are they going to do?
	Well, not just that.
	I think the public is getting sensitive to the fact that what the trustee is trying to do is not maximize value to pay out judgment creditors.
	It's just to shut down Alex Jones and basically take control of the...
	The legacy to run it into the ground like the onion.
	I mean, that's all that they're trying to do with this.
	I probably shouldn't do this, but...
	Do it.
	I have no idea where you're going, but I like it.
	So I was driving to a meeting in New York at IBM down in East Fishkill at their foundry from Massachusetts.
	And I had gone through Hartford on Interstate 84. And as I'm driving down the highway, all of a sudden the state...
	Police cruiser goes flying by me in the breakdown line.
	And then another one and another one and another one.
	I'm like, that's five, six, seven.
	I think I counted 72. I was driving by it right after it happened.
	Sandy Hook.
	I was going down the highway.
	So I texted my sister.
	I didn't text her.
	I called her because I was driving.
	So I called my sister.
	And I said, turn on the TV.
	Tell me what's going on.
	Am I driving into a terrorist attack?
	I had no idea.
	She didn't respond right away, but I went into the meeting and in the IBM buildings, there's no cell service.
	So by the time I got out, it was like four o'clock in the afternoon.
	And I get this text and like, these numbers can't be right.
	And they were.
	And I just felt horrible.
	So I'm driving back and I just see ambulance after ambulance going up the highway.
	And, you know, my son was still alive then.
	I hadn't lost my son.
	Since then, I lost my son, and I've watched the whole Sandy Hook thing unfold.
	I've watched the commercials from the father of the little boy or girl.
	I can't remember.
	It upsets me greatly.
	And I grew up in Connecticut.
	It's my home, right?
	I'm really tied to it.
	The way these people are being used.
	For political gain and lawyers, trying to shut down Alex Jones, because I don't know what he said.
	I'm sure he said something stupid.
	He said objectively stupid things, objectively wrong things, things that I still privately have to disagree with people over.
	People still email me and say, Sandy Hook never happened, Viva.
	You really need to look into it.
	First of all, I didn't know this is where the story was going.
	But I have one degree of connection separated from people at Sandy Hook.
	It's like someone telling me that it didn't happen.
	Look, you're entitled to believe what you want, but you're telling me the earth is flat.
	You can believe it, but that's where it's going to go with me.
	But the degree to which it was politicized after the fact.
	Exactly. Especially the parents.
	I've never really said anything about other parents who lost their kids.
	Everybody can say, well, how come you didn't have this conversation with your son?
	I blame myself.
	I didn't want him to buy a motorcycle.
	They are allowing themselves to be political pawns.
	It's not going to help them feel any better about their kid who died.
	It does nothing.
	They don't need to garner public sympathy.
	It confirms what some people thought was the weaponization, the politicization of the incident, above and beyond Second Amendment issues.
	Immediately people jump on the Second Amendment firearm restrictions, politicized element of it.
	But to use it to go out, what do you think it's going to do?
	There's 5, 10 million people a day who listen to Alex Jones.
	It might even be more.
	The stupid things he says, He said amounts to maybe 15 minutes of footage over a decade, over eight years.
	And the majority of it was not, it didn't happen.
	He said a couple of them were crisis actors.
	That's still a subjective element to that.
	If they're being weaponized after the fact, do they become sort of a de facto crisis actor?
	He said it was a hoax.
	The hoax itself as a term could mean a various degree of things.
	The school was torn down within eight months.
	Why? Some people say because it never happened.
	They're trying to hide the fact that it never happened.
	Others are saying because they're trying to hide the fact that they didn't take certain precautionary measures that they had to and that it was, in fact, to conceal evidence.
	Nobody wants to go into that school again.
	Nobody can go into that.
	It has to be torn down.
	There's no question about that.
	If anybody's lost a kid, and imagine all the blood and all the kids.
	Nobody can walk into that.
	But then the flip side argument is people are going to say, well, they didn't do it to Columbine, they didn't do it to a few others.
	I say, look, you have to tear it down, but understand that the circumstances under which you might do it might fuel certain conspiracy theories.
	I only meant to say that, you know...
	When you have a sudden and tragic loss, it's different than somebody who dies of cancer over a couple of years.
	And that sudden and tragic loss and traumatic event, it's not going to help the families.
	In fact, it's dragging out that trauma.
	They relive it every time they use wrath to deal with it.
	Their wrath against Alex Jones that was put into them by some team of lawyers who has a political agenda.
	I mean, if I were them, I would have cut loose and said, just leave me alone.
	No, not just that.
	What's going to happen is they're going to cut loose and they're going to sue those lawyers and the trustee for acting to their detriment because it's public knowledge.
	And I have no private knowledge of this case, but Alex Jones was negotiating tens of millions of dollars to be paid over years as opposed to going and buying the assets for 1.75 million cash plus other considerations.
	I mean, they're basically screwing The plaintiffs abusing them even more because they're basically saying, we used you for everything that we needed for political profit, and now we're going to even deny you compensation for what you went through because all we ever really wanted was to shut Alex Jones down, and if he keeps going on the air to pay you the tens of millions of dollars, well, that's good for you, but that's not good for our political agenda in all of this.
	But it was a pretext to go after Alex Jones, and they took advantage of the most traumatizing form of violence imaginable.
	To make it palatable to go after someone who they spent the better part of a decade demonizing in any event.
	And it's going to cause people to harbor deep, deep resentment for people who should otherwise be regarded as the most sincerest form of victims on Earth.
	Yeah, that's the way I feel.
	I mean, I grew up there, like I said.
	It means a ton to me.
	Yeah, Alex Jones is a wingnut, but...
	They've just been used, and the latest findings, the latest evidence that you're talking about is actually good proof of mens rea of not just unethical but illegal conduct.
	Those lawyers, they should go after the lawyers.
	I'm looking up the definition of a wingnut.
	It's a nut with a pair of projections for the fingers to screw in.
	You don't know what a wingnut is?
	I know it has the word nut in it, so it can't be good.
	But even Alex Jones, the things he said, a couple of stupid things, but bottom line, it's nothing that people haven't said about the Trump assassination.
	It's nothing that people haven't said about the Holocaust.
	These things shouldn't be illegal and criminalized.
	Other than the fact that he corrected and apologized, and some of the stuff that he said, although not true of the Sandy Hook, Is historically demonstrable under different circumstances.
	There are crisis actors.
	The lady in Iraq War talking about throwing babies out of incubators.
	I mean, that's exactly what Alex Jones superimposed onto Sandy Hook.
	The greater problem that really bothers me is you have a breakdown of civil society when the courts don't work.
	And when the courts are one-sided.
	So if you have a court in Connecticut that can take a guy who has a billion-dollar business down in Texas and say, oh, let's just have a judgment of a few billion dollars against him that has no bearing on reality.
	Just, okay, what were your damages?
	Try to monetize them.
	Well, we got a jury to say that up in Connecticut.
	I mean, what is going on here?
	The entire system of courts is out of control.
	We talked about this.
	When you can no longer rely on resolving disputes in the court system, that's when people drag them out into the streets.
	Exactly. I say that all the time.
	It's in my brief.
	I wrote that in my brief.
	That's what we're seeing right now.
	It's only that people don't have faith that they can resolve their differences.
	They now firmly believe that they're using the court system as a...
	A tool of war.
	By the way, also Craft with Bits, who gave the last question, said, just want to make sure you guys know and appreciate you.
	Dr. Lopato has a good record throughout COVID.
	First of all, I wasn't impugning Latipo.
	I was saying that basically it looks like, not that he's trying to cover his own ass, but that it looks like he knows something that he can't yet disclose.
	That's all I'm saying.
	Latipo, he should have been the Surgeon General appointment, as far as I'm concerned.
	Certainly not Jeanette Nishawa?
	Nishawa. But no, I do, until proof to the contrary, because Latipo has proven himself to be reliable and on the right side of history, to use that cliche of an expression, I just think it means that Latipo knows that there's badness in the numbers there, and Florida might be able to say we did better than other states, but...
	But yeah, there's badness in the numbers.
	It's tough for me because I know stuff that people don't generally know.
	And so my opinion is based on my knowledge and other people's is based on theirs.
	And I'm not saying I'm a know-it-all.
	I'm saying I know a lot of stuff that very few people in the world know with regard to causes of death and how easy it is to determine and how easy this would be.
	And they're just preventing the truth from coming out.
	That's fact.
	There's no way around that.
	And he wants to keep his job.
	That's it.
	I don't know.
	Is he a good guy?
	Probably. I think he's a good guy.
	Until proof to the contrary, by the way.
	This is funny.
	This is a tipped question.
	Last time I grabbed a pussy, it became national scandal.
	This is not a current picture, by the way, and that's an old joke.
	But there was a tipped question here over on Locals.
	Hold on.
	And it had to do with Latipo.
	Joe Mazcu says, I can't believe...
	I can't bring up the question.
	I can't believe that you would agree to tell a client to shut up and not say anything going into treacherous legal waters, and he would expect Latipo or anyone else to spill the beans going into a treacherous legal waters.
	Joe, I'm going to ask you, this is where you're putting words in the mouth.
	All he had to say was, can't talk about that right now, and John and I will talk afterwards.
	He explained why he told you, I'll lose my job, so I don't want to stop.
	100,000 people a year from being killed from this.
	I don't want to know it.
	I don't want to look into it.
	I'm not saying what's causing anything.
	All I'm saying is that the officials that we have in place, like a lifeguard at a pool, they have a legal duty to act.
	Now, David, you know what that means.
	For your audience, that means that if you don't perform your duty that you've signed up for and somebody subsequently dies, it could be manslaughter or murder.
	You're responsible for your inaction where there's a legal duty to act.
	If you know, you have to prove knowledge, right?
	So he now has the knowledge.
	15,000 extra souls died of acute renal failure in Florida.
	Without question, you saw that graph.
	Whether it's the vax, COVID, or hospital homicides, you have to look into it.
	How can you not look into 15,000 dead excess, more than normal?
	His answer should have probably been, we are looking into it, and John is not one of the...
	They're not looking into it.
	They don't even know it happened.
	I'm the only one who's found.
	I go by individual cause of death, and I have certain methods.
	And what I'm doing, I'm no genius.
	I'm just an engineer.
	But the project plan I put together, and that's the difference between scientists and engineers, or scientists and any manager, right?
	You have to actually produce something on time and on budget.
	That's not what scientists do.
	They study something forever, and they try to prove a hypothesis.
	You need a methodology and a project plan to determine causality and quantify what the externality caused.
	How many did it hurt?
	That is not what scientists do.
	They write research papers for five years and they debate them.
	That's what they did.
	No comment coming from me, but my wife is a PhD and I can attest to the lack of efficiency that would have gone into the similar project had it been private enterprise.
	Let me read a couple of these here.
	Boopsy says, I heard that blood clots can be from COVID itself.
	Yes, we've all heard that.
	We've all heard that.
	The question is the likelihood as to which one is...
	No, any infection.
	It's about 100 times more from the vaccine.
	And the reason is you bypass your mucosal defenses in your lungs, you're injecting it directly into your body.
	And so even if we're talking about just the spike protein, but you're not even talking about the toxicity of the lipid nanoparticles, which is the platform delivery mechanism for the Moderna and Pfizer whole different conversations, not to mention the DNA contamination that's This is why Lopato said if we're supposed to go through this and find out the people who were purportedly killed, how are the people who would be liable supposed to be expected to fess up to that?
	We say don't talk to cops.
	They say don't speak to the public truthfully.
	Maybe it was a critique of Lopata.
	Okay, you're a very pretty man.
	Don't let the haters get you down.
	Trudeau is still prettier than you, though.
	Encryptus, that might be the biggest insight.
	He would be a fairly decent-looking person if he were not Satan incarnate in his soul.
	Encryptus, has John genocoded the data, mapping the individuals that have been injured or died to find geographic patterns?
	Oh, geocoded, not genocoded.
	No, because I have records in certain areas.
	I have 1.4 million non-redacted death records from Minnesota, Connecticut, and Massachusetts.
	There are only about five of us in the world who have it because we shared it amongst each other.
	Now, I have their first, middle, and last names, where the parents are from, all kinds of stuff.
	Their burial plot.
	I've got everything.
	So, yeah, just those three areas I can do.
	As far as...
	Geographic differences, that's a different conversation.
	Even back in 21, I was showing that, you know, was it Taiwan?
	Oh, you know Jessica Rose, right, David?
	Yeah, she's been on close to a dozen times now.
	Okay, so we're on a call.
	It was a Steve Kirsch call, Jessica, Kevin McKernan, Stephanie Seneff, a bunch of other people.
	And somebody said, wow, Taiwan, a lot of people are dying from COVID.
	And I was like, what?
	No, they're in a warm weather climate.
	It's not possible.
	Not possible.
	So I said, wait a minute, let me look something up.
	We're on a Zoom call and I'm looking it up.
	I type in Taiwan delivery COVID test kits.
	And this thing comes up.
	Two weeks ago, 8 million test kits were delivered to Taiwan.
	So they started dying from COVID when they got 8 million test kits.
	They tested dead bodies.
	They tested positive for COVID.
	They were called COVID deaths, and they were recorded as COVID deaths.
	Shut the front door.
	Literally testing people who had already deceased.
	Well, I mean, I can't tell you for sure.
	I can tell you 8 million test kits were delivered, and two weeks later, everybody started dying from COVID in Taiwan.
	And there was no excess deaths.
	That's what I was going to get.
	Basically, everybody either has COVID or can be tested positive for COVID, so everybody who dies will be...
	Yeah, you can go through the records.
	Most of this is not biological.
	It's behavioral.
	I show that.
	Blunt force trauma to the head and torso.
	They tested the dead body for COVID.
	I know that for a fact.
	It's an exhibit F of my complaint filed with the U.S. District Court District of Massachusetts.
	The question I was going to ask was, son of a beast.
	Oh, yes.
	Have you correlated the batches?
	I mean, that's been very accurately correlated.
	Deaths to batches?
	Batches, okay.
	Yeah, so lots and lot numbers.
	No, I didn't really get into that.
	Other people were doing it.
	I tend not to do stuff that everybody's doing.
	I can't add any more to it, and they're pretty confident at math.
	If you understand what happened in the 1970s, there was a rule that was created to break up lots or batches and disperse them so they wouldn't all go to one place.
	You could say, well, that's nefarious in that they don't want us to be able to trace.
	If they all go to one place and everybody goes bad there, then you know it's the vaccine and you know it's that batch.
	That's one side.
	The other side is, if there is a bad batch, you don't want to kill everybody in one place.
	But that rule did go in place in the 1970s.
	And so when people say, well, they're sending all bad batches to Kentucky because they have a higher cause of death in VAERS.
	No, that's not it.
	The batches are broken up, dispersed, and the reason why Kentucky's high is because of reporter bias.
	The culture of the doctors and nurses in Kentucky are, to be more honest, than those in Massachusetts who, if they are found out to have reported in VAERS, they'll lose their job and their career.
	That's the difference.
	It's all behavior.
	Most of these data differences are behavioral.
	We've got the last two tips here.
	Dred Roberts says, who would fire Lopato DeSantis?
	I think DeSantis has that authority.
	And Encryptus says, I'm wondering if there's any particular communities, specific demographic areas, or something like that that may point to targeting.
	I can help with geocoding if that would be interesting.
	I built a program that does that, says Encryptus in our chat.
	Yeah, I get into the number of people that would be required through distribution to affect that, to put that into effect.
	I don't necessarily believe it.
	I'll believe anything, but you've got to show me at least some evidence other than there's a higher incidence rate here because the reporter bias is strong.
	John, where can people find you?
	TheRealCDC.com is my book.
	TheRealCDC.substack.com are my articles.
	I'm going to somehow get pieces of my methodology statement into my...
	Into my Substack.
	Yep, that's where to buy my books.
	Later today, my son's going to try to help me put a discount on it for the holidays.
	I'll try to get it down to like $19.
	It's $25 right now.
	TheRealCDC.Substack.com for the articles.
	And, oh, John Bodwin Sr., Twitter.
	Okay. Well, I know I have them.
	Send me them in DM and I'll put it on the pinned comment once I hit end on the stream and publish it, or it publishes automatically.
	Very good.
	John, we will keep in touch.
	I'm going to go do the Locals exclusive part after this.
	Although I'd ordinarily say goodbye after the stream, but I'll text you afterwards.
	Thank you very much for coming on and clearing this, or at least exposing this.
	It's amazing.
	Thank you.
	No, I very much appreciate it.
	Thanks. All right.
	My pleasure, man.
	I'll talk to you soon.
	Take care.
	Bye. All right.
	Bye-bye.
	People, thus brings us to the end of today's stream, and we're going to go over to the vivabarneslaw.locals.com afterparty, which I'm going to share the link with.
	Over on Crumble.
	Link. Bada bing, bada boom.
	I'll do a vlog today about...
	I'll do a separate car vlog.
	I was going to do it during the stream, but I think I'll do it under the car about the story in Canada that I'm going to talk about right now in our locals community.
	I've been tweeting about it.
	I'm just going to synthesize it or condense it into a car vlog because it's...
	I swear to you I've been enraged since last night.
	It's been more than 12 hours now.
	I went to bed angry.
	I woke up angry about this accused.
	He's accused.
	And I'm saying he is accused.
	Triple homicide of murdering his wife and his two kids.
	And this man, the fact that he appears to have a Middle Eastern Muslim name is not the issue, but it does lead you to question whether or not there's two levels of cover-ups going on in the Canadian media.
	Let me just get the guy's name.
	I forget his name now.
	He's having his trial, and I'm sending this story and the tweets to everybody, because this needs to be national news and a national embarrassment.
	I'll flash you all the screen grabs, so maybe some of you are going to be inclined to come on over to crumble afterwards.
	Muhammad al-Baluz allegedly is accused of murdering his wife and two kids, stabbing his wife 30-some-odd times.
	And then drowning his kids.
	And at some point since his being accused, being charged with murder, he decided he's a woman.
	Slaps on a cheap wig, red nail polish, and demands to be called a woman.
	And he's actually currently held up at a women's facility, detention facility.
	And the media just plays along with this like they're brainwashed, like they're in a trance.
	So we're going to rage about that over on vivabarneslaw.locals.com.

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