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Nov. 25, 2024 - Viva & Barnes
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Live with Shannon Joy - Trump Picks, American Politics AND MORE! Viva Frei
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You think we're dumb.
You want us blind and you want us drug.
You want us poor while you get more of everything.
But you don't get to tell me what to think and what to do.
You don't get to tell me what is true.
You're just liars, cheats and cooks, change the rules and you burn the books.
And so I don't believe a single word you say.
You're all liars, fakes and cons, watch out and we want you gone.
So don't believe this time you'll get away.
You want us tricked, you want us numb, you want us scared and you want us stung.
You want us shot, you want us fought in every way.
You want our minds, you want our time, you want us friends up in your crime.
I hope you know that it's time to go and we take your names.
You don't get to tell us what to think and what to do.
No, you don't get to tell us what is true.
You're just liars, cheats and crooks, change the rules and you burn the books.
And so we don't believe a single word you say.
You're all liars, fakes and cons, watch out and we want you gone.
So don't believe this time you'll get away.
Cause we see la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la all your life.
La, la, la, la, la, la all your life.
You don't get to tell us what to think and what to do.
You're just liars, treats and crooks.
Change the rules and you burn the books.
And so we don't believe a single word to say.
You're all liars, fakes and cons.
Watch out and we want you gone.
So don't believe this time you'll get away.
Cause we see la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, all your life.
La, la, la, la, la, la, all your life.
Cause we see la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, all your life.
Cause we see la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, all your life.
So don't believe this time you'll get away.
Cause we're all liars, fakes and cons.
Watch out and watch out and watch out.
So don't believe this time you'll get away.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Everything we do is under fire.
Elon Musk sits on Twitter every day or X today saying, like, we are the media.
You are the media.
My message to Elon Musk is bulls**t!
You're not the media.
You having...
You tell him.
You having a blue checkmark, a Twitter handle, and 300 words of cleverness doesn't make you a reporter.
You don't do that by popping off on Twitter.
You don't do that by having an opinion.
You do it by doing the hard work.
I'm not going to play the entire...
Oh yeah, there you go.
You got the buffoon.
Can we look at this panel of who's who's of losers?
I think that's Al Sharpton.
Don't know who that guy is in the middle there.
And you got Mika Brzezinski and Joe Scarborough clapping it on.
They still think they're the media.
It doesn't mean having an opinion.
It doesn't mean getting the latest breaking news faster and more accurately than anywhere on Earth.
And the folks at MSNBC are going to lecture Twitter about fake news.
MSNBC who has propagated more hoaxes than anybody out there.
Serenity now, where is my cell case with the Serenity prayer?
I can't remember it.
I won't remember it right now.
People, we're going to have a fun one today because Shannon Joy is coming on.
I see her in the backdrop.
We have been not going back and forth like there's anything with any sort of animosity.
Twitter is the world where even the most innocuous things can be read with animosity.
And I think that's what it's designed for because that's how it generates engagements.
But it's going to be fun.
This is going to be a lot of fun.
But before we even get Joy in here...
Boy, Joy.
Sorry, before we get Shannon in here, Shannon Joy.
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All right.
Oh, sorry.
I didn't mean to do that.
Shannon didn't mean to bring you there too quickly.
Are you ready in the backdrop, Shannon?
Thumbs up.
I'm bringing her in anyhow.
Wait, is that a thumbs up or a wait?
Not yet.
We're going to wait one second, people.
I have pulled up not a tweet history, but I've pulled up some tweets.
If you don't know who Shannon Joy is, she's got a channel on Rumble.
I've been listening to a bunch of podcasts and a few interviews.
And a podcast that she linked in Twitter earlier today with...
I don't know who...
Hold on, I have it up in the backdrop here.
Fire and Fury, the podcast.
And it is an Epstein and Donald Trump episode.
In this episode, Michael...
Who's Michael?
You gotta get the last name here.
This is not her podcast.
It's someone else.
I listened to the podcast.
I was none too impressed about this anecdotal trying to tie Donald Trump to Jeffrey Epstein in a meaningful way above and beyond what the media's already done.
We're gonna talk about that and other things.
And I see her dancing now.
Okay, you ready?
Three, two, one.
Shannon, how goes the battle?
Viva, how you doing today?
It's Monday.
Now let's see, if we do this, if I back it up, we waste real estate when I back it up, but now we can see your beautiful studio.
Oh, thank you so much.
But I'm zooming back in.
Who is that in the backdrop on, is that a UFC fighter poster?
That is Ted Cruz.
That is Sabo.
He is an LA street artist back in 2016, primary.
When Ted Cruz was the hot thing, he was going up against Donald Trump, and it was very contentious in that primary.
And Sabo, he was the one who did Abortion Barbie.
I don't know if you remember Abortion Barbie.
I do not remember Abortion Barbie, but I'm Googling it right now.
So Sabo is controversial, to say the least, but he's from the left coast, LA, and he really liked Ted Cruz.
He thought that Ted Cruz is a badass, so he superimposed Ted Cruz's head on, like, you know, a gangster body.
And added a cigarette.
And he sent me one.
It's signed.
And so I like political art.
So I figured I'd slap it up there.
I'll change it around a little bit.
I want to add some Sasha Latapova.
I don't know if you know Sasha.
But she's amazing.
And she is part of that medical freedom movement.
Brilliant artist.
And so I'd love to use her too.
But yeah, just a fun little, you know.
Shannon. We will not spend a great deal of time on this, but I dive deep and I was trying to get your history, which is not as...
There's too much to select from, so I was listening to podcasts and looking online.
But for those who don't know who you are, let's do the 30,000 foot overview.
Then we'll get to the origin story.
Then we're going to get to fighting about Twitter.
Oh, I love it.
By the way, you're pulling me out of my vacation, Viva.
I'm supposed to be on vacation this week.
Normally I'm on...
Yeah. Yeah, because it's Thanksgiving week in America.
Like, I didn't even realize this.
And my wife is like, our kids are all off school this entire week.
I'm like, why?
And it's American Thanksgiving week.
So I have 20 people coming in, by the way, for Thanksgiving dinner, which is why I took the whole week off.
And I tell you, 15 of them are diehard Trump fans.
They love them some Trump.
So I'm used to all of the contentious and, you know, discussion about, you know.
Politics and political candidates.
And so I think I'm looking forward to our discussion.
I think you're great.
I've watched your stuff, you know, for many, many years during COVID lockdowns and in the, you know, those dark, dark days, you were one of those bright voices.
So I think we probably agree on a lot of things and no big deal.
No, it's good.
Well, it'll be fun.
I know where we at least disagree, but.
So hold on.
I noticed you have what I believe now, if I'm going to get accurate, is a northern New York or borderline Michigan accent?
Rochester, right between Syracuse and Buffalo.
So Finger Lakes region.
It's beautiful.
Or western New York, you could call it.
But yeah, I've been here since I was four years old.
So I've lived in New York almost my entire life.
And I blame my parents.
All of my roots are here now.
I can never leave.
You're lucky.
You're in Florida, right?
Yeah, well, I'm down from...
I was born in Montreal and raised, and now we migrated like the geese, except we're not going back, if we can help it.
Right, right.
We're very close to Canada.
I mean, we're, you know, 45 minutes, an hour.
Yeah, no, I actually got a nephew who's at school in Rochester, and my wife, you know, my mother-in-law used to cross over to Albany, but that's in...
Wait, hold on.
Albany's in Vermont.
That's in New York.
Yeah, Albany is like upstate.
You know how New York is shaped.
Albany is up upstate, like up the tip, right?
Wait, no, let's say it's right across the border.
So when they go grocery shopping, because it's actually cheaper, or it was, to go to grocery shopping in Albany and then come back to the eastern townships.
See, there you go.
Something is cheaper in New York for one region.
Oh, yeah.
That's amazing.
That's amazing.
I'm not sure that it's true anymore, given the exchange rate.
So you're born and raised in America, obviously.
How many siblings do you have?
So, two siblings, older sister, younger brother.
My whole family, for the most part, lives in this region.
My sister just moved to Boca.
So she just joined you down in Florida.
So she and her whole family are back up for Thanksgiving.
And so it's good to have them all back together.
But yeah, they got smart.
We're actually in Boca.
I mean, it's a different demographic.
It's not quite the Miami, but...
It's beautiful.
We're going to be friends, Viva.
I'm going to come down there.
I'm going to find you.
Look, even what I disagree with on you, I think it's not end-of-the-world stuff whatsoever.
But now, I will not be the indiscreet thing.
How did you get into what you got into?
Because you've been on the air for like...
Close to a decade or maybe even more if I'm not mistaken.
Yeah, a little over a decade.
So I have three kids, right?
Grew up in Rochester, New York.
Met my husband in college at Geneseo, New York.
So, you know, just about a couple hours away.
Got married.
Three kids.
I was in...
Marketing and advertising and media back of the house.
So radio, television, billboards.
I was in advertising, sponsorship, but was always very interested in politics.
So I grew up on Rush Limbaugh.
My parents were very active politically.
We were very pro-life.
So we volunteered for pro-life initiatives.
And my parents started crisis pregnancy centers in our region.
We would travel down to Washington, D.C. to do the March for Life.
I grew up in a very conservative family.
I joke that I learned politics from Rush Limbaugh, the Constitution from Mark Levin, and manners from Dr. Laura Schlesinger, right?
So I grew up in talk radio, always loved it.
And after 10, I would say actually closer to 13 years.
Back of the house.
I don't know.
I was worried about my kids.
I had three children.
It was right after the second re-election of Barack Obama.
I'm like, what the hell is happening in this country?
Nothing makes any sense.
The country is falling apart.
The narrative for conservatism is falling apart.
We keep losing and losing and losing.
I just felt like I wanted to do more.
I started volunteering for political campaigns here in New York.
I got involved with the Tea Party movement a little bit or some of the Tea Party organizers.
Like old school AM talk radio.
Started my show because I had marketing and advertising experience.
I was able to underwrite my own show and I have been able to do that ever since.
So I'm an independent platform.
I've grown it from that tiny little radio station.
We moved to a 50,000 watt blowtorch heritage station in New York.
And then post-COVID...
I was for it because the bottom just fell out of the local market, the local advertising market.
And so many of my great advertisers, in fact, I just lost one of my favorite long-term advertisers, Auction Direct USA, great used car dealership that was a staple here in Rochester.
They just, I mean, as the automobile industry, the bottom fell out.
They couldn't make things work.
And there just wasn't local advertising.
So about two years ago, I took it from behind the mic because I was just behind the mic.
I mean, it was only audio for years.
And stumbled and bumbled my way into Rumble.
And had to figure out how to do video.
And so I transitioned the whole show over to video.
And now I've been independently platforming from Rumble.
We're on, you know, Twitter, BitChute, Clout Hub, Daily Clout.
We just got picked up by Patriot TV, which is super exciting.
And then just finished this new studio.
So it's just little by little.
I'm independent.
A one-woman show, really, for the most part.
I have a lot of contractors that I work with on, you know, little things like promotions.
But it's just me.
I went away in front of the mic every day for about an hour and a half, kicking up all kinds of hornets' nests, which is what I do.
Viva. Sounds familiar, except for the woman part.
For me, for my own curiosity, not to pry, when you're on a 50,000-watt radio station, I've always wondered, CJAD out of Montreal, I don't know how many people they actually reach.
Do you have any idea how many...
I don't know if it has to be live viewers because you don't have replay on the radio.
Like what was the reach from a 50,000 watt radio station?
It's hard to say.
I mean, we know what we do in market, well over 100,000 a week for a 50,000 watt station in market.
So that'd be Rochester Metro.
But a clear channel signal reaches all the way up into Canada.
I get emails from people who listened in Canada, down into Pennsylvania, down throughout the East Coast in the evenings.
The signal is just, I mean, it was super, super strong.
And on a clear channel station, it doesn't share a dial.
So 1180 AM, which was the 50,000 watt station I was on, doesn't share that number anywhere else in the country.
So if you have a clear enough signal and a clear night and a strong enough whatever, I don't know, you can hear Wham 1180 down in Virginia.
You know, it's crazy.
Sharing a signal means what now?
That means that someone else would have 1180 but in a different area and they would...
Well, I'm sorry.
Not sharing a signal.
Sharing the number on the dial.
So 1180 AM.
You know, if you go to a different market or across the country, there might be an 1180 on the dial.
Or there wouldn't be.
If it's a clear channel, it means there are no other 1180s on the dial.
It's just that one.
Those call letters WHAM.
There might be other stations like 970 AM, and there are 100 different 970 AMs, and they all have small signals, and they all have different names and different call letters.
Listen, I'm not a broadcast expert.
I'm probably talking out of my ass right now about this, but that's kind of my understanding.
Okay, no, that's cool.
By the way, you've got to see this in our locals community.
We've got a meme that is...
This is Robert Barnes' face, but I believe that would be the body of...
I want to say Trevor Barker, but I got it.
There we go.
What's his name?
The drama from Blink.
That's really funny.
Okay, get that out here.
That is really funny.
I love it.
Okay, so then you get into political commentating.
Yes. And I won't say what my conclusion is of you.
I think we're going to get into a few things, but I'm going to start it off with the open-ended question because I've followed you for long enough where my correlation to you was what I would call the DeSantis camp.
Okay. At least the online ones, they would complain for the sake of complaining regardless and under every circumstance.
But now, what I've noticed is you would describe yourself as being very much pro-DeSantis, right?
I don't recall seeing much criticism of DeSantis, but I saw lots of pro-DeSantis tweets.
Yeah, I criticized DeSantis pretty heavily in 2020 and in the dark days of lockdown.
Especially during the rollout of Operation Warp Speed, COVID vaccine.
So he was probably, from my perspective, the best executive in the world in terms of resisting lockdown orders and resisting the worst of the worst.
But he still implemented.
A lot of things that we saw as being absolutely abhorrent and nonsensical and, you know, doesn't work.
But we all know, we can all acknowledge that Florida bucked everything.
I mean, they were not a lockdown state.
If they locked down, it was just kind of a little bit.
And dealing with what we dealt with up in New York State and dealing with the nationwide lockdown orders.
That really influenced every state across the country and gave them kind of umbrella cover.
I absolutely would go back to Florida every single time and say, this is an example in the world of at least one executive that is not just bowing or bending the knee to Anthony Fauci.
Now, that doesn't mean there aren't plenty of criticisms.
I could talk about...
Criticisms of DeSantis, I'm sure, for quite some time.
But the media culture that we live in today really focuses on national politics, presidential politics.
And yes, during the primary, I'm an independent, so I am a registered blank no party here in New York State.
I'm not a Republican.
So even before the primary, I had said to my audience, listen, Any president, any executive that was involved in the forced lockdown of this country and the rollout of Operation Warp Speed, which was a disaster, an absolute disaster, in my opinion, is not fit for office.
Just not fit for office.
So I didn't think that Trump should even run for a second term based on...
The experience that we had the last 12 months of his administration, based on the elevation of Anthony Fauci, the executive order declaring a national emergency and locking down, and then passing that baton to Joe Biden.
Remember, Donald Trump could have ended the emergency declaration prior to leaving office.
He didn't.
And then that gave Joe Biden the executive authority that he needed.
To push the pedal to the metal and make our lives miserable for four years.
The firing of the healthcare workers and the rollout of the toxic, deadly poison jab, which we now have mountains of data on.
We have multiple medical doctors that are calling for the pulling of the mRNA vaccines because it is so obvious to everyone that it is so bad.
We can't have that conversation right now.
In polite circles in media, because the guy that we just elected is still saying, and I have it right here, this was a statement from Donald Trump with one of his appointments, November 22, 2024, Donald Trump's historic Operation Warp Speed saved hundreds of millions of lives.
I mean, when I'm getting gaslit, Viva, that irritates me.
Well, this is one...
Technical or strategic problems too much, then you can't deal with anything.
Going back to one thing, the reflexive blame, and when I say people will blame no matter what, Trump made statements about lockdowns roughly about the same time as even the lockdown states were closing beaches like they did in Florida, closing bars like Florida, but it didn't last all that long.
To blame Trump nationally for state lockdowns, on the one hand, I think I would share some of that blame, much like I do in Canada, where the lockdowns and the curfews were provincial-imposed, if they were, and it wasn't federal.
But it certainly got the federal green light when Trudeau says, we're going to allocate a billion dollars for a COVID app type thing.
But I do think that the blame of Trump for state lockdowns, I mean, I think it's on the one hand unfair and exaggerated, and where it's one of those things where we're going to complain regardless.
Had he done something different, it would have been a complaint that he didn't do enough to prevent states from exercising their state power.
But at the end of the day, how much blame is Trump deserving of when it's a state issue?
And some states didn't do it and other states did.
I think that you are 100% correct.
This is a layered and nuanced topic, right?
Who does deserve blame?
For the hundreds of thousands of dead and broken bodies in this country as a result of the lockdowns, the forced vaccines, the coerced vaccines, and then also the kill protocols.
And those kill protocols, billions of dollars, legislation signed by Donald Trump, right, that rewarded financially hospitals for deploying the kill protocol, which we know is stay home until you can't breathe.
Then go to the hospital, get a COVID test, then remdesivir, isolation, dehydration, remdesivir, ventilator, death, cha-ching, cha-ching, cha-ching.
The federal government using monies that were allocated and deployed, billions of dollars, in the, what was it, was it PrEP Act?
It was PrEP that happened right after the COVID lockdowns and the declaration of the emergency.
That money, the government incentivized hospitals.
To murder patients.
And I would encourage everyone to go and watch Vax 3, Polly Tommy, Mary Holland, Children's Health Defense.
If you want to see story after story after story after story after story of the horrific, torturous death that so many people suffered, not only in hospitals, but in nursing homes.
One of the first things that the Trump administration did after lockdowns was to issue the lockdown and the shutdown of nursing homes, barring...
Loved ones and family members who are advocates for elderly, the most vulnerable among us.
They were banned from nursing homes across the country, and that was enforced with an iron fist.
And I, on my show, reported, one of the reasons I can't let this go, Viva, is that on my show, I reported these horrifying stories of vaccine injury and death.
Hospital kill protocols, elderly patients locked in nursing homes, desperate for their loved ones, dying alone in an isolation.
So when you say, should all the blame go to Trump?
Of course not.
What happened to this country was a disaster.
From my perspective, to be sitting here now four years later pretending like it didn't happen is the ultimate gaslighting.
It's almost worse than it happening the first time.
But we haven't been allowed to have that conversation.
We haven't been allowed to say reasonably, what was Trump's role?
What was Fauci's role?
What was Congress's role?
Remember, Congress went home.
Our senator, Tom Massey was the only congressman that came back to Capitol Hill and advocated against the passage of the PREP Act, which deployed those kill protocols and the monies for those kill protocols.
By the way, about $150,000 per dead patient that was paid out to those hospitals by the federal government as a result of that legislation that Donald Trump signed.
So where are our congressional leaders?
Where is their reckoning?
The governors.
What did the governors do?
What did the health officials at the local level do?
All of these things.
There are so many people who have suffered from this, and we can't talk about it because we're focusing on these political candidates.
And I think wrongfully protecting them because we fear the other political candidate more.
And we're kind of wrapped in this D versus R. You know, wrestling match and we're wrestling off a cliff.
It's like Wile E. Coyote and the Roadrunner.
I don't know if you ever watched Looney Tunes growing up.
But it's like these two parties and we're so focused on the fight that we're not seeing the larger picture of the deep state.
And I would say from my analysis over the past 10 years, if you're going to talk about the deep state, you have to talk about Republicans just as much as you talk about Democrats.
And especially now, Viva, as we're looking...
And I know I'm throwing a lot.
Tell me to shut up whenever you want me to shut up.
I'm trying to take mental notes of what we're going to come back to, but please keep going.
Well, what is the number one reason?
And I say this because I mentioned that I'm spending Thanksgiving with my family, whom I love dearly.
They are amazing.
And when I say 15 of them are diehard Trump fans, what I can tell your audience is that I love them and I understand their rationale.
For getting behind Trump, especially when we see how bad the Democrats are and how bad Biden was and Kamala.
And you look at that threat and you think, well, there's no other choice.
There's no other choice for me.
And so you have to go with it.
So I understand the rationale.
I understand the support.
But when you look at, when I talk to them and we talk about lockdowns, we talk about the legislation and they say, well, yeah, yeah, you know.
It was a terrible idea.
The number one rationale that I get in defense of Trump is that he was surrounded by bad advisors.
He was surrounded by the deep state.
He had people giving him bad advice, right?
And so right now, prior to Christmas, we are looking at Trump assembling a team around him.
And when I tell you that it is bad, Viva, it is bad.
Compounded with bad and more bad.
We have Scott Besant, who is a George Soros protege.
He has been working with Soros for 20 years.
Howard Lutnick, Cantor Fitzgerald.
And, you know, we have in Treasury and Commerce.
For, I mean, RFK Jr., a decent pick for HHS.
But then you have Mehmet Oz and Marty Makari.
And Dr., what was this woman?
The Fox News babe, Jeanette Nashua.
Okay. Well, before we even get here, because this is where I say, like, and I'll bring this up because I love this criticism regardless, and no matter what you do, Viva refuses to do the research because he's a coward and knows it will cost him.
It's an amazing thing, like, as you interview someone who is giving a different point of view, they accuse you of not doing it.
My issue is, as you're talking about this, and you're saying, look, I blame Trump because...
For the last 10 months of his presidency, when the world was plunged into an abyss of...
And look, I know what I was saying at the time.
But when the world was plunged into a state of absolute hysteria, Trump, surrounded by the deep state and to his detriment, had bad players in there for the last 10 months of his presidency and did as much as he could.
Operation Warp Speed, I believe there's some blame, but also...
The blame is not exaggerated, but overemphasized in that Operation Warp Speed, as it was originally iterated, was not supposed to be a one-size-fits-all mandatory, call it a vaccine, a jab, that was supposed to substitute for all therapeutics.
Operation Warp Speed in its original iteration, had it been implemented and carried out properly, set aside cutting of corners for an emergency was only supposed to be, for the most vulnerable, optional jab while exploring other therapeutics, and it got hijacked.
Why doesn't he say that?
It's a big issue.
Whether or not he knows of the chicanery that Pfizer pulled in its trials, he might not have the ammunition or the evidence or the opportunity yet to say it.
Why hasn't he?
It's been my biggest critique for a very long time.
And he has a road plan to do it.
But when you fault Trump for not having rescinded the emergency declaration, when you know it would have done absolutely nothing because Biden comes in and re-implements it and makes the jab that was supposed to be optional for the most vulnerable mandatory.
Oh, I think it would be very difficult for Biden to get away with at that moment in time to get away with another emergency declaration.
But I see that that's, A, that's like playing what would have been but wasn't.
Had he rescinded the emergency declaration, it would have been hard for Trump to...
I get it.
I mean, listen, Trump is either the smartest guy in the room playing 12-dimensional chess or he knows exactly what he's doing.
Like, I don't buy this.
I'm not that smart, Viva.
Okay? I'm really not that smart.
Okay? I'm a girl on a radio station.
Looking at all the same data, all the same marketing, all the same things that Trump saw, actually a lot less, right?
And I, along with a small minority of Americans who stood up and spoke out from day one, and we were right, by the way.
We were right about everything.
Everything we said about the masks, social distancing, censorship.
The vaccines, the origin of the COVID-19.
Why couldn't I figure that out and not Trump?
A lot of this, because right now you are blending, for the purposes of the critique, a lot of things that happened over a much broader timeline.
What we knew of Operation War Speed, and everybody's saying that you can't rush a jab, you can't rush trials.
Of course you can.
Common sense.
Everyone knows that's a killer.
Is he just dumb?
What is it?
Well, first of all, at the time...
I don't know.
Also, at the time, the jab was only introduced, I think, in...
I want to say...
It was early...
It was after his election where it wasn't actually even implemented until he was out of office, let alone rendered mandatory or quasi-mandatory.
So I agree with this.
It's just the question as to where does the buck stop, but also where do you attribute malice where you're dealing with a global pandemic?
I mean, they're doing the same thing in Canada, so it's tough to blame it on Trump.
they did the same thing across the world so it's tough to blame tough to blame it on trump let alone the consequences of a jab that was only released and implemented after he was out of office let alone made mandatory where you had the trial data coming in there so the lockdowns yes you had the Barrington declaration that was under Trump, but you had, I mean, an impossible situation.
You had Scott Atlas?
Say it in.
We had Scott Atlas.
You had Malone, you had Weinstein, you had a lot of people.
But the bottom line is, you know, it's not to give him a free pass.
And I don't think he gets one on this issue.
What some attribute to Malice, I might attribute to the egotistical blind spot that he wants to You know, not pretend.
I think he wants to believe that Operation Warp Speed was his signature success because the Dems loved it so much they implemented it and made it mandatory.
So he wants to take credit for that.
And I do.
If he doesn't, not rescind it, renege on it, but if he doesn't look into it and understand what's going on and sort of implement that key time lawsuit that Brooke Jackson has in his term.
There will be a level of betrayal, but you got to get there.
It's just that the blanket category condemnation for Trump when he was in an impossible situation and then out of office within 10 months of COVID?
I mean, I think that it's completely legitimate.
I think that I hold Trump to the same standards that I would hold Biden to.
Biden is not fit for office based on what he did during his presidency.
Was it all Biden?
No. I mean, you're absolutely right.
Where does the buck stop?
Well, the buck stops, in my opinion, with the leadership, with the leader, the strongest guy in the room.
Now, does that mean that we shouldn't scrutinize all the lower agencies?
But see, this gets to the bigger issue, Viva.
And I think that we know, and you would probably agree with me.
And everyone that I would talk to within what would be known as the medical freedom community understands that this was a global coup d'etat.
This was a military operation that was deployed.
The DOD ran this out.
Or ran this operation.
And we have from Robert Malone, Sasha Latapova.
There's a lot of evidence.
There's an enormous amount of evidence there that this was a military operation.
This was deployed in the exact same way in Canada, the United States of America, France, Germany, the UK, Australia, New Zealand, the Netherlands, you name it, right?
So we're dealing with a much bigger monster than just the president.
But I want to bring this up because I'm going to bring up the hate.
I don't know what world people are.
People hold it against me that I got the Pfizer shot twice.
People hold that against me as if I did it because I believed it was safe and effective.
And if you ever find a tweet of me saying that other people should take it and shouldn't be allowed, I'll give you $10,000 if you find a tweet where I said anything remotely similar.
People don't understand what it's like to have a A neurotic Jewish mother.
Why don't you do it?
At some point, my only normie stupidity was not realizing how dangerous it could have been because we didn't have the myocarditis statistics at the time.
I didn't even appreciate the inflammation, that aspect of it.
No, I don't ascribe to that.
Listen, I understand how...
There was so much emotional turmoil and there was so much pressure.
I mean, the conversations that I had with my husband, who is a very smart man.
I love him dearly.
He's a bit of a rule follower.
But the pressure that he was getting in his workplace, in his workspace to get the shot, we went back and forth and back and forth.
I had discussions with my own 16-year-old son who would have had the opportunity to go and get it on his own.
Every single family.
Dealt with an enormous amount of pressure.
My mother lost her job.
She was a nurse of 25 years in Rochester, and she was fired for refusing the COVID-19 vaccine.
My sister was an accountant for a large university in Rochester.
She lost her job.
They fired her.
She was working for home because she didn't get the COVID-19 vaccine.
But a lot of people, the pressure was so great that they submitted.
And so I would never, like, I...
I understand why people got it.
They didn't want it.
They were coerced.
I'll take it one step further.
Even if I wanted to take a chance getting my record, let's just say I like playing Russian roulette, it turns me on.
I can do whatever the hell I want with my body and anybody who tries to shame me for that, oh, you played into it.
No, I was out there at the protests.
I was out there starting fights with the people asking for the vaccine passport to enter retail stores in Canada.
But anyways, it doesn't matter.
But my issue is this, and I'm not giving Trump a pass at all, and nor have I, and people can go back and check whatever they want.
He's getting one, though.
That's the problem.
We can get to that.
We'll get to that in a second.
But I'm not sure that he is because he's not yet in office to answer some questions and implement some payback that we want.
But the bottom line, March 2020...
When the world is in turmoil, when they had already impeached Trump once, when they were looking for a way to criminally charge him for reckless and whatever, you have a world that's in crisis.
You have a guy that's not a scientist.
In hindsight, we're now expecting him to say he should have challenged Pfizer for the trials that really only occurred within the last three months of his presidency.
He should have challenged the lockdowns coming.
I mean, yes, he made some bad choices, and that's the biggest thing that everyone has to make sure he doesn't make again.
Second time around, we'll get there.
But it's not a question of being forgiving because I like Trump.
It's a question of holding him to a fair standard where it was a world in crisis.
It was states acting independently.
and whether or not there was some ratification of lockdowns in the early times.
You remember how much flack he got for talking about Sweden, for talking about the red light therapy.
He also had very harsh words for governors who did not lock down and enforce lockdown and masking.
So we have a bunch of tweets.
Old tweets, Twitter never dies, from Donald Trump getting after, I forget who the governors were.
I think he went after Florida and he went after South Carolina.
Nikki Haley maybe was one.
There were a few others that were not locking down and, you know, he had strong words for them.
So that bully pulpit is powerful.
And when you hand that bully pulpit as a president over to Anthony Fauci and you give it to him for six months and Dr. Birx.
Then you're handing over the American people, our representative republic, our Bill of Rights.
You're handing that all over to people who are not elected.
And they had their way with us.
And they inflicted enormous amounts of damage.
My concern, Viva, and the reason I'm so feisty on Twitter and I'm so feisty on my show, is that I am almost positive.
That there will be no reckoning.
Politicians do not do their mea culpas after you give them power.
They only do that before you give them power, when they're trying to get your vote.
Now that he's been elected into office, it is very, very clear.
Susie Wiles, Scott Besson, Howard Lutnick, Dr. Mehmet Oz, Dr. Marty Makari, Dr. Neshawit of Fox News.
These are terrible.
Horrible, bad, deep.
I cannot overemphasize how bad these people were, especially Nesuit.
She was a lockdown pimp.
She was a mask pimp.
She was a double mask pimp.
She was recommending vaccines to pregnant women.
Dr. Marty Makari was recommending vaccines to pregnant women less than a year ago on Twitter.
Okay? 2023.
Where we have mountains of...
What was the point of Naomi Wolf in the Pfizer papers?
Why don't we talk on one hand about Naomi Wolf in the Pfizer papers and what we know these vaccines are doing to pregnant women?
And on the other hand, offer Macri, who refuses to say anything about that.
He's still supporting the COVID-19 vaccines.
And in addition to that, he will not commit to removing the mRNA vaccines from market.
Same with Neshawad.
They've done a little bit of, oh, maybe we got a few things wrong.
There are dead...
Talk to people.
Talk to the victims of React-19.
Talk to people who are debilitated because of vaccine injury, and they aren't getting anything.
It is so wrong.
I can't bear it.
I just can't bear it.
You won't get much disagreement from me on some of the current picks.
And the fact that there's RNA in the current RSC.
What is this?
The respiratory...
Yeah, yeah.
What's amazing is they're making it impossible for people to get what they would have otherwise gotten.
I think the flu shot is idiotic in any event because you still get the flu.
You're not going to get pushback from me on that.
My only issue, my biggest issue with you, is at least it's a criticism of anything and everything regardless when it comes to Trump.
There's no forgiveness for that which is not forgivable.
And that's why I think...
Putting the pressure on some of these current picks.
And if it gets big enough, you know, there might be some meaningful impact.
The highlight...
You, by the way, you cannot go back and find a Nashua interview where she's not saying something wildly disqualified.
It's impossible.
Well, but this is where I'm like, what the heck is going on here?
Because I do feel like I'm being gaslighted.
Are they, like, trolling us right now with this one?
The argument...
The gaslighting thing is a bit of an also reading of intentions where...
I do question whether or not whoever's making the decision says we need to give some to get some, which I think is a stupid, terrible strategy, and I hope that's not the strategy.
The only problem is the flip side is maybe he doesn't know of all the things that Neshawad has said, and that the public outcry will raise to his awareness that she should be disqualified for the position.
Going back to 2020-2021 and...
Holding Trump to what is now current knowledge and was not knowledge at the time, and also to a standard that would have been impeachable and condemnable to prison.
Because I'm thoroughly convinced, had he done anything that would have, you know, stood up to the Burkses and the Fauci's at the time, given the knowledge, they would have impeached him and they would have tried him for crimes against humanity.
The problem is now...
Knowing what we did over the last four years and he gets into office and he's got RFK Jr. there, if he doesn't investigate the Pfizer's and bring some justice there, he will have ratified the crime against humanity.
The issue and the argument is that Neshawad is not going to hold much of a position of power, but Surgeon General is a pretty damn big position.
We can get him to rescind the offer or get her to politely decline.
I mean, we've had a little bit of success in pushing back.
The medical freedom movement...
I think that there were some who thought that the elevation of RFK Jr. to position of the head of HHS would satiate the medical freedom community and all of the doctors who lost so much in standing up for what was the truth.
And so we're seeing now, I mean, I can tell you, I'm not the only one out there issuing these criticisms.
And on a side point, when you mentioned that, That I focus my negativity or negative attention on Trump exclusively.
Unfortunately, this is the political world that we live in, where Trump is the centerpiece.
He is the lightning rod.
And it's, I mean, everything revolves whether I like it or not, right?
There is.
And so I will often, if you watch my show.
Most people don't realize this.
Again, I think I'm a little feistier on Twitter than I am on my app.
Everything gets read a little bit more aggressively and nastily when it's in written form versus spoken.
Well, and I can bite.
I mean, I'm not going to, like, I get it.
I know.
And so, you know, if I get pushback, I got to be a big girl, you know, and take it.
Because if I'm going to flap my gums and, you know, yeah, I better be ready to get the criticism back.
You will notice on my show, we will delve in.
We will occasionally mention Trump.
And, you know, sometimes if it's something particularly egregious where he is elevated, he's making a statement talking about how great Operation Warp Speed is like four years after this, which is just outrageous to me.
I'll mention it.
But, you know, we've recently, I've had, I mean, my show is very guest-heavy, and we get, like, deep into it.
We've had Catherine Austin Fitz on and Ed Dow.
We're talking a lot about what's going to happen with finance.
And there are a lot of people in this medical freedom community who believe that we are dealing with a criminal cartel in Washington, D.C. It is a criminal cartel.
It is, and it's not over.
What happened during COVID?
It was just the beginning, and the next round is going to come, and it's going to come under Trump, and he's going to be the guy that sells the vaccine, or whatever the new thing is, to conservatives.
But this is where I start having a poll.
Hold on, let me just let my dog in here.
It's going to drive me crazy.
Yeah, you're fine.
You're fine.
you.
This is where, okay, not to say I think you go off the rails, But this is where sometimes the criticism becomes mutually incompatible.
The one I took issue with was when RFK endorsed Trump and you said, I'll never trust him again.
But now you say, well, now that he's been appointed to a position of power that I like, so I'm going to trust him.
No, I don't.
I don't trust them.
I don't trust anyone.
Well, that's the other problem, is not trusting anyone as if to suggest.
First of all, we agree on the cartel.
The cartel is the pharmaceutical industry and the lobby.
Bankers. Well, the bankers and foreign influence and the lobbies are various cartels all fighting politically for power.
If what you're saying, though, is the case, you're basically saying Trump is going to be a player in the cartel.
That's right.
Let me ask you this.
I don't know what your position is on this, but you do believe they tried to actually kill him?
I believe that I witnessed What appeared to be an assassination attempt on the life of the nominee, Donald Trump.
And I'm going to leave it at that.
I'm not going to let you leave it at that.
It doesn't matter what I think.
Listen, I'm not an expert in ballistics.
I'm not an expert in anything like that.
And I didn't even dive too deeply into it.
I witnessed what I witnessed.
It was very scary.
And everyone says that he became a new man.
He found Jesus or, I don't know, some new, higher thing.
And he came out of that, you know, I mean, and then just cruised on up to the presidency.
And it happened.
And I'm just leaving it at that, Viva.
I'm not going any further than that.
No, but you won't.
Well, that doesn't mean I'm not going to ask you.
This is going to be some sort of a cross-examination.
Right. Because you do talk a lot about the WWE theatrics, and there were a bunch of people online suggesting Trump popped the blood thing and it was fake, and whether or not Corey Comparatore actually got killed, and they believe that, but Trump is so vicious that he would allow for one of his own supporters to get...
Do you believe that he got shot through the ear?
There's no way for me to know or verify.
There are a lot of things that I can't verify.
I wasn't there.
I don't have access.
But you have no problem.
There's a lot of things you can't know and verify, and yet nonetheless come to hard conclusions about what went on behind the scenes and what Trump could have done four years ago.
No, no, I'll tell you, I am very, very...
I mean, I know exactly what Trump did from the moment he came into office in terms of legislation.
I followed it very closely, reported on it, the help of Daniel Horowitz from The Blaze in 2016, 17, 18, and 19, actually 17, 18, and 19, and 20. And I look at discernible policy outcome.
So I do not care what politicians say.
I believe they lie to you 100% of the time.
I watch what politicians do once they're elected.
I read the bills.
I see the initiatives that they put.
And then I report that to my audience.
Fourth year of his presidency in 2020, we documented exactly what he did.
And he had a role in what happened to us.
There are plenty of things that happen in the news cycle that I have no eyewitness.
I have no expertise in the matter.
There's no way that I can verify or not verify.
And on those things, I kind of just sit back.
I might have my own hunches about things, but I'm not going to...
How can I make a determination about what is going on in the Middle East, for example?
It's very hard to get a trust...
I have a couple.
And in terms of discernment, I do know exactly what happened in hospitals because I was eyewitness to much of it.
I do know real victims of the COVID-19 vaccine.
I do know that I was locked down.
My children were forced masked.
We had businesses, small mom and pops put out a business, the single largest transfer of wealth from small to medium-sized businesses to huge, massive global corporations that cashed in on death and destruction in the most callous and disgusting way ever imaginable.
I know exactly what happened during COVID lockdowns because I was there.
Well, you were there for what you were there for.
Those are the things I'm going to talk about.
Right. Why would I talk about things?
Yeah, I was there.
You were there for what you were there for, and so you can only speak to that for which you were there for what you were there for.
I can tell you, I mean, my best girlfriend, Aisha, she had the protocol issued against her, and she was on a ventilator for 11 days, and we had to get an attorney in order to go in and a judge forced the hospital to administer ivermectin to her.
I drove her to the hospital.
I was behind her husband when we were going to the hospital.
So I was with multiple families whose loved ones, their elderly moms and dads and grandparents died alone in nursing homes.
I've had George Watt Sr. on my program.
The death and the destruction that I was an eyewitness to is something that I know for a fact.
Wherever the media cycle wants to take me or you, I'll take it in and I might wonder about it.
I'm not going to make a definitive statement on it.
Why would I do that?
I can't know.
If the argument is you can't know that except for what you've seen with your own eyes, which in and of itself is still problematic because you can know people who...
I mean, to play devil's advocate, I've known plenty of people who...
I've seen it with my own eyes, but I don't know what went on inside their body.
I mean, that's a bit of a cop-out to not answer a question, which would cause a bit of a problem.
I don't have an opinion on it.
It's not a cop-out.
I just don't have an opinion.
Well, an opinion on whether or not something happened as a matter of fact...
What happened, according to all the news, was that there was an assassination attempt on Donald Trump's life in Butler, PA.
So why would I question that?
Why would I have an opinion on that?
Well, I mean, you would.
I mean, it's like saying I've never walked across the earth so that I can't confirm that it's round.
I mean, this is literally the exact same argument that flat earthers have used with me.
Right, but when you come out of COVID-19 and you see all the videos of people dropping dead in China and all of the fear-mongering and the fear porn and the absolute fakeness, remember the morons?
That was totally fake.
Absolutely, and the reason...
The reason why you can confirm that that's fake now is that somehow, for some reason, it all just stopped happening all of a sudden.
And as if, from a respiratory virus, people dropped dead in the first place.
I mean, that you can assess.
The reason why it's a bit of a cop-out to say, I'm not going to take a position on whether or not I think they actually tried to kill Trump not once, but twice, and maybe even four times, is because it would put a bit of a problem in your theory that Trump is part of the cartel or is now an active player in it, unless you think it did happen.
Yeah, I don't need that.
All you need to know is that Scott Bethent...
Is your treasury secretary.
And Scott Besson has been a 20-year associate of George Soros, the number one villain in conservative media, okay?
In fact, Scott Besson is so close to George Soros that he was his right-hand man when George Soros pocketed a billion dollars, crashing the British pound.
Besant was right there.
He was manipulating that along with Soros.
He's been a beneficiary of Soros underwriting for 20 years.
He became a billionaire because of George Soros.
The fact that Donald Trump is putting the exact same swamp monsters back into the swamp.
Susie Wiles?
Susie Wiles, his chief of staff, is so connected to big pharma through Mercury Public Affairs, two lobbying firms that she worked for.
Guess who their clients were?
Pfizer, Gabi, Monsanto, UN.
She is a notorious, notorious pharma lobbyist.
So when you see all of the King's men surrounding Donald Trump, I don't need to go into any kind of wild conspiracy theory to know that he's playing.
He's a player.
And that he has the same big bankster billionaires and the technocrats like Peter Thiel.
By the way, let's talk about Peter Thiel.
Peter Thiel, if you want to, because I can go.
No, but you can go because you can go and gloss over the one that you just did with Oden.
I'm not going to give much pushback because the best thing I'm not familiar with, I just wanted to show that you are in fact correct in the George Soros ties.
But Shannon, I mean, this is how, to some extent, you're dealing with people who...
I'll play devil's advocate even though I'm...
Well, you're dealing with people who are coming from an area where any one that you pick will have some form of a tie to some extent or another.
I had on Ed Dowd.
You know who Ed Dowd is?
Oh, he's BlackRock.
I know.
But Ed is standing up against all of this and speaking out against it.
Scott Besson isn't.
No, well, I don't know what...
I don't know what Scott...
I get to talk to Ed Dowd.
So Ed Dowd, I can get him on the phone and we can chat about things.
I can ask him really hard questions.
But you realize that there's a great many people out there who say Ed Dowd, he worked for BlackRock, he's got to be in on it.
So I'll never trust him.
He's an actual whistleblower because he's actually standing up against BlackRock.
Scott Bethan isn't blowing the whistle on anything.
He's doing the same old, same old, same old, and so is Susie Wiles.
That's the difference.
People need...
A whistleblower means that you come out and then you take apart the industry.
That you were part of based on your expertise.
And there are plenty of great whistleblowers out there.
People like Sasha Latapova and Brooke Jackson and Ed Dowd.
And I trust them because they continue to stand up and speak out.
Scott Bessant is nowhere near that.
He never said a word about COVID or lockdowns or Operation Warp Speed or corruption or cutting the debt and deficit or the transfer of wealth from the lower to middle class to multi-gazillionaires during 2020.
Single largest transfer of wealth.
He's not saying anything.
He is ready to go pedal to the metal with the exact same stuff that they were doing in the first administration of Donald Trump.
And I mean, you could go on.
You could go down.
We haven't talked about Peter Thiel.
Big problem.
Elon Musk.
Big problem.
Elon's a huge problem.
He is the biggest corporate welfare queen on the planet, and he was so far up the, you know what, of the Democrat Party for many years with his government subsidies and all of, you know, in the carbon credit markets.
By the way, Tesla doesn't make a profit unless they cash in their carbon credits, so he's all in on the carbon.
These guys are leftist progressives, and even worse so in terms of the technocracy, if you understand what...
A technocracy is, it's even more dystopian.
These are all the people surrounding Trump right now.
Right now, there's no difference.
And so...
You do appreciate that no matter who you substitute for, you will be able to make the same criticism of the marriage between, or the relationship between private enterprise and government.
And if you don't have any private enterprise in it, then your criticism is going to be, there is no private enterprise.
I would have loved Ron Paul or Ed Dowd.
For Treasury Secretary.
I'd be perfect.
I'd be okay.
That's a good pick.
I'm okay with RFK.
You know, the jury's out for me with RFK, but I'm okay with him.
Okay? The rest?
It's breathtaking.
The rest.
I'm going to say, I don't agree with the positions either.
Mehmet Oz?
No, Mehmet Oz is...
Oh, my gosh.
But I don't know how they picked Mehmet Oz or Jeanette over...
I don't know how they make these decisions.
The one thing I can acknowledge is- Because they're corrupt.
That's why.
It's easy.
It's easy.
Susie Wiles is protecting pharma because Susie Wiles has always protected pharma because Susie Wiles is a pharma lobbyist.
So the question is, who is Susie Wiles really working for?
Is she working for Trump or is she working for pharma?
It's really difficult to know the difference with these people.
Because they weave in and out and in.
And we try to imagine, well, maybe it's this or maybe it's that.
How about they're just corrupt?
It is a corrupted apparatus.
And this is why on my show I talk about bottom-up, localism, deregulation, decentralization.
Catherine Austin Fitz is a...
A rock star, a wealth of great information.
There are so many people out there talking about all of the solutions that we would have if we could just get Washington, D.C.'s boot off of our neck and decentralize.
But they won't do that.
They want the power.
They want the money.
Well, I'm sure, but I'm not, am I wrong?
And is Aaron wrong?
I'm fairly certain Elon has called to end subsidies.
And in fact, you know, the risk of the subsidies...
While he's taking them.
While he is taking them.
But that's like saying Trump should pay more taxes than he has to because, you know, he wants...
That's, I mean, this is where it just becomes...
No, but come on, it's not an argument.
In fact, come on, it's the abandonment of reason.
He's said things, but...
You expect him to not take the subsidies while they're there.
You expect Trump to pay more taxes than he has to.
If there's problems with the tax code, fix the tax code.
Don't expect people to voluntarily pay more taxes.
And then the bottom line is also, if Elon is not involved in the government, the criticism to Elon would be, he's not doing the government's bidding to get the subsidies, but now he's doing the government's bidding because he's scared of having sanctions.
Yeah, there are all kinds of billionaires and millionaires and people out there that I don't really bother with.
I don't care how much money they have.
I don't care what they do with their businesses.
I don't care how they live their lives.
It's the ones who write executive orders.
And issue nationwide lockdown orders and declare emergencies and shut us down and try to work their way with us.
Those are the billionaires that I have a problem with.
As you should.
If you're all up in my business and in the business of my children, then you're going to get it back from me.
They have their hookers and their planes and whatever those billionaires do, do your thing.
I don't care.
Just get out of my life.
Yes. What we experienced in 2020 was the most traumatic thing that ever happened to my family.
And I know that there are so many other Americans out there who agree with me on this.
We're not over this.
It was the worst dystopia, the worst tyranny this country has ever seen.
I was arrested by this.
First of all, it was traumatizing for me as well.
And I'm not a victim because I got out of it.
Pretty unscathed.
But they turned our houses into prisons.
I mean, we were in Quebec where we were under curfew for five and a half months.
I'll never forgive.
And I agree with you.
There are some people who have committed utterly disqualifying errors.
And there's others who have committed criminal errors.
And they both need to be held to account.
And I think offering Jeanette Nishawat a position is ratifying what I would argue in her case was promoting child abuse.
And I say it unapologetically.
Yeah, she was awful.
I was going to bed last night and I felt like I might have gone a little too hard on criticizing her.
No. It doesn't matter.
But no, where I say your trauma can lead to a certain flawed reasoning and that is that you're going to criticize Elon regardless of what he does.
You're going to criticize Peter Thiel regardless of what he does.
But Peter Thiel was behind backing Rumble.
So you have these conflicting...
I know, isn't that funny?
Well, some might call it illogical, your criticism.
No, no.
What I do is I watch what they do and I opine on it, right?
So when Elon purchased Twitter and I got my account back, I was a permanent, lifelong suspension on Twitter.
And in the Elon purchase, I got my account back.
I came on the air with my audience and I said, listen, I like this thing that Elon did.
I don't trust Elon Musk based on this, this, this, this, and this.
And I've done, I don't want to do my deep dive.
This is what's called motivated reasoning, where you say, I want to distrust, so I'm going to write off what he does that I should attribute trust to, and then emphasize that which I want to attribute mistrust to.
Same thing with Peter Thiel.
Yeah, but I think you do the same thing.
I think that you operate in that same way.
You decide that because these are your political heroes, you decide that you don't care about the things that are right in front of your face.
The things that they're doing that are right in front of your face, you're going to hold on to this sliver of hope that they're going to be the heroes you want them to be, and they're going to do the things that they said they were going to do.
And when they do this one little thing, you cling to it, and you say, but they did this.
You know, I watched conservatives do that with Donald Trump.
They're like, he's terrible.
He betrayed every promise.
He did gun laws.
He did red flag laws.
He did criminal justice reform.
He didn't build a wall.
He never repealed Obamacare.
He never defunded Planned Parenthood.
He never did any of these things.
Busted debt and deficit more than we had seen from any previous president before him.
And they would say, but he gave us a conservative Supreme Court.
One thing.
And they held on to that one thing, like the precious ring from Lord of the Rings, like they're precious, forever to justify them in their vote, but also in their misplaced hope, which is what I would call it.
You want him to be your hero.
You want him to come in on that.
And I would say that that's just as illogical as what you're accusing me of.
It's just as unreasoned as what you're saying.
I can say at least, because I'll only argue from my perspective.
I'm only arguing fine.
No, no, I understand that.
And the fact that you view people as turning Trump into a hero, this was our last, or the tweet exchange that led to this.
And I say, you've effectively, I won't say, turned him into a villain, but turned him into something where, this is one screen, two films.
You're looking at it and saying, I'm going to disregard, you don't say it, but you effectively disregard what would contradict your...
Assumption of corruption, which is a safe assumption more often than not.
And you say, sure, Elon bought Twitter.
Sure, Elon gave me my account back.
Sure, Elon allowed free speech on Twitter that allowed Trump- I think he had an alternate agenda for bringing us back.
That is called motivated reasoning.
But in my position, first, I've never treated anybody like a hero, period.
And I can say that I've criticized Trump for what I think he deserves criticism for.
You know, the bump stock ban.
It deserves criticism.
How much criticism is up for debate?
Okay, he implemented or signed an executive order, I think it was, for the bump stock ban.
It got overturned by the Supreme Court because there was- Red flag laws, too.
Red flag laws, too.
He definitely- Gun first, due process later.
The most gun control.
Just hear me on this.
Donald Trump legislated and signed the most gun control since Ronald Reagan and the gun control that he put in place.
More than Barack Obama.
More than Bill Clinton, okay?
So this is when, when I say uniparty, I mean uniparty.
I mean that I believe, based on my observations over the past 12 to 13 years, that these two parties work in tandem to work us against each other.
And that's why you want to not answer the question of whether or not you think they actually tried to kill Trump because he was working so well with them that they actually, you know, you don't want to take a position on that.
I don't know why you want to corner me in a position on that.
That's ridiculous.
I'm not an expert on the earth, but I can tell you why.
Because you have a theory that they're working together, and so you need to craft everything to fit that theory.
If they were working together, they wouldn't have tried to kill Trump.
If you read the legislation, Viva, which we did...
And you compare Barack Obama's legislation, like the actual spending bills, a great example would be the defense spending bills, okay?
So these massive, massive spending bills.
And they're like copy and pasted.
They're exactly the same.
If you look from administration to administration to administration, when it comes to the money and the money being allocated, aside from a little bit of peripheral difference, they're exactly...
The same.
It's a hard thing for people to get.
We're so conditioned in this country to be D versus R, D versus R. Now, I was R for a very, very long time.
It was quite painful to become emancipated from that two-party political...
Atmosphere. And that WWE wrestling match, which is what I call it.
But I will tell you, once you accept or even open your mind to that kind of thinking, so much will make sense to you.
Everything will begin to make sense.
Everything begins to make sense.
I love the reading of intentions.
David is trying to get her bent.
She's on my channel, you dummy.
What am I going to get fans for?
By the way, I worry about Rumble because I'm very mean to Peter Thiel.
And I know that he is like, you know, somewhat of a...
No, no, I think it's in reference to, I'm trying to get you banned by you coming on my channel and talking about things that would only get my channel a strike, not yours.
But if I get you to say, as others have, that you don't think Trump was actually shot at, I presume that's what he's saying.
Which I didn't say, Diva.
I wouldn't care if you did.
I would just use it to argue against the theory that these are these are two teams working together and yet one is working so well with the other they tried to kill him not once but twice unless you think those were False flags.
Trump set it up himself.
That is Viva saying that, not me, by the way.
I can steel man the argument that someone else might have and I can even understand how they believe it.
You can't prove that, Viva, without saying anything about the assassination attempt.
I feel like I could sit down and I could probably write a dissertation and prove that these parties are more similar than they are different.
So easily.
And then when you look at the fact that Donald Trump, they throw it right in our faces.
They're all buddies.
They all hang out together.
They go to the same parties.
You know this, Viva.
Come on right now.
Mika Brzezinski was at Mar-a-Lago for like two days.
I don't know if she was there for two days.
I know they were there and I gave both of them a hard time, including Trump.
It was a multi-day.
Listen, these guys...
Are in the same circles.
Bobby Kennedy is a lifelong liberal Democrat.
They're in the same circles means nothing because we're all in the same circle at a big enough scale.
So they're in the same circles because they're rich.
We're not in it, Viva.
We're not in that circle.
We're in another circle.
We're all in the circle of earth.
We're all in the same circle.
But it's obvious.
You work in law.
I don't know if you know.
I was a lawyer for 13 years.
And it's a niche community.
Everybody knows everybody.
And to say that I would be guilty of whatever other lawyers were guilty of because I know that we go to cocktail parties, I mean, it would be preposterous, but just above all else, false.
So the fact that they're in the same circles, and yeah, they met.
And I say, what the hell is Trump meeting with these snakes for?
They're never going to be his friend.
Because he's always been a lifelong liberal Democrat.
But now you're reading attention.
I try to go with a rationale.
I try to go with a rational explanation.
What does he think he's doing?
Maybe he thinks he can get in their good graces and have them run good media.
As if anybody needs that media.
That is classic Trump.
I think it's stupid because I don't know who the hell's watching.
I don't know what their ratings are compared to lowly schnooks like myself in their home studios.
But the thing is, there are a lot of people who are, you know, MAGA insofar as you say, I don't want to name names, but there is that element.
There's going to be that element everywhere.
But the idea that Trump is somehow immune from criticism, because you float the idea, and yet some of the most viral-ish comments, tweets, engagement right now are about his bad picks.
I think that we have abilities now to mess with the algorithms a little bit because of...
The organization that has been built out of the medical freedom community and out of the movement against lockdowns.
And so I can tell you, Viva, that I am in constant contact and communication with medical freedom warriors all over the world.
And we are sharing.
We're on text chains together.
We are off of Twitter.
We're on side groups.
And so these discussions, the decentralization of media is amazing.
Amazing, right?
I mean, I'm living proof of it.
Listen, I'm very optimistic about where I think that we can go, but personally, I think the first step to emancipation is for the American people to emancipate from the two-party political system.
You can tell me what that means, but the other thing is to say, well, what I would do in a system that doesn't exist.
At least there's one...
Until it does.
It was either Trump or Kamala.
So I don't adhere to the lesser of two evils because I think one was actual evil and I think Trump hopefully will have learned from his mistakes because I don't think he was evil.
But you live in a two-party system.
And by the way, it's not much worse or it's almost just as bad as a seven-party system that we have in Canada.
And people say, oh, the two-party system is the problem.
We need a parliamentary system like Canada.
And you realize you can have seven parties but you still have a two-party system anyhow.
I don't direct my audience to centralized political solutions.
So that's not a part of what we do on the Shannon Joy Show.
So we report on what's going on in Washington because they are a threat to us, and we need to know where the threats are and what they're going to do to us.
And, you know, we've been, as I mentioned, you know, I've done probably six or seven in-depth...
Shows with some of the most brilliant economic and financial thinkers.
We've dissected Bitcoin.
We've dissected the currency, the dollar crisis, inflation.
What is going to come in the first round of Trump's presidency?
You're laughing at something.
Yeah, I'm laughing at idiots in the chat who say things.
I don't mean to yell at my own.
Viva and Barnes took the money this time around.
Oh my...
Okay, but this is confession through projection.
This is why when some of your chat was accusing me of this, and I don't know if Tohe has fire.
I don't know if it's a joke, so I shouldn't overreact.
But when someone in your chat said, Viva's getting paid by Trump, I'm like, okay, are you who made that comment getting paid by whomever?
No. No and no.
And it's like, you can't criticize Trump enough to even dispel it to your argument.
Some are, though.
Some are.
This is what got me in trouble with Dan Bongino.
He got really mad at me when I talked about the money that he has wrapped up in Truth Social.
In our industry, we do have to be careful.
And I'm not saying that you're doing that at all.
And even if you did, listen.
No, no, but there's no even if.
I don't like...
Things get dirty when money changes hands.
I'm exclusive with Rumble.
We've got our awesome locals community and we sell shirts.
No, I'm the same way.
I'm like very transparent in the audience about how the business model works for my show.
I think that's important.
But in some cases, they're not.
There are...
And this is one of the reasons I think that our side, or would you even consider yourself conservative?
Like, I don't even know.
I'm going to have you on my show.
And then I'm going to grill you on my show.
This is why people call me like a Trump-paid bag.
I'm neither here nor there.
The only thing I've come to the realization about is that we relied to about the most fundamental aspects of geopolitics from day one.
I did, unapologetically.
Support Trump this time around because if he did not get elected, it would have been ratification by the actual, what I believe to be the deep state.
You don't have elections anymore.
But then there is no arguing with someone who says it was all a big play, they're all the same people, and the deep state let Trump win because Trump's part of the deep state.
There's no way to disprove that.
What I believe is a thoroughly idiotic theory.
And I say that with respect.
I think that we prove it every day.
So I don't think it's idiotic at all.
I think it's a very valid theory.
And I would say that there are a lot of political analysts.
I mean, you can go back to, I mean, Bill Clinton, his mentor was Carol Quigley.
And Carol Quigley wrote a piece that was this thick called Tragedy and Hope.
And Carol Quigley laid out very clearly how the erection of a, you know, Two-party political system that offers up a false choice at every cycle is the way the oligarchs want it.
They do that on purpose because it gives us the illusion of a choice.
I'm just saying, when you say it's very foolish, when you say that I'm very foolish for positing that, what I will tell you is there are some great thinkers and seminal pieces of political theory that have been written over the past 30 to 40 years by people much smarter than me, people who have influenced people like Bill Clinton, that will say essentially the exact same thing that I'm saying.
It's almost a truism or a tautological is that it's a two-state party, and so anybody who gets involved in it is going to be part of that, and therefore...
It will be true all the time, even as much of an outsider as Trump was.
It's a two-party system.
The second he gets involved, he's part of this uni party, according to you.
And I'm saying that's why I advocate, you know, from my perspective, again, we're about truth, about what is happening, what Washington D.C. is going to do to us next so that we can survive, okay?
Because a lot of people didn't survive the vaccine, Viva.
A lot of people...
No, no.
First of all, I know more people who died.
Guess who was out there getting arrested?
And losing her platforms and getting suspended from Twitter and all the things because every single day I'd go on my show and I would say, wait on that vaccine.
Just wait.
There is clear, like, every single day.
I remember the moment where...
What I do, I don't have all the answers.
I don't know everything.
And I hope that I don't come off as, like, too much of a, you know, like, I think I know everything.
There's nothing about...
I don't.
I promise.
But... If I thought that the answers to all of this were in D.C. and that Trump somehow had them, if I really thought that, I would say that to him.
I would tell that to my audience, okay?
But I have to come in every day and tell them what I really believe.
I really believe that Washington, D.C. is not the solution, cannot be this.
It's too corrupted.
And the only way for us to survive with freedom, a Bill of Rights, fundamental...
Natural rights that we were given at the formation of this country is if we decentralize and we become ungovernable.
We refuse to comply with unjust laws and mandates.
We set up parallel systems, parallel organizations.
We embrace localism over globalism, and we get ready to resist any type, any new Department of Defense, military martial law.
You notice that both Donald Trump and RFK Jr. have promised us on day one that they are going to declare new emergencies.
One for immigration and the other in terms of health.
What does that mean?
I'm going to be right there opposing that.
Sure, but go ahead.
I listened to the RFK clip and had RFK not said that he's going to declare an emergency on the child health epidemic, you'd be there on day one saying, why aren't you taking the child health epidemic?
No, I wouldn't.
You say you wouldn't.
We can't know what you would do or what you wouldn't do.
Try to be consistent.
It is consistent.
It's criticism regardless of what happens.
Everything is centralized.
I criticize all the time because it's always the same.
When RFK said he's going to declare an emergency on public health, do you think that he...
I appreciate he said, like COVID, and I think he said that for another reason, not for lockdowns and forced mandates.
What do you think that they're going to do?
They're going to implement emergency measures to lock things down or to potentially eliminate...
I remember what Trump did.
The first time, the last time he issued an executive order and declared a national emergency and locked us down, I really didn't like it.
But you say that he locked us down again, which is, I mean, it's not to absolve...
The declaration of a national emergency puts in place a mechanism, and there are special powers and special, you know...
You know, new authorities that are put in place that are very, very, very, very, very dangerous to fundamental liberty.
And so there is no reason.
It's a straw man viva.
This idea that we, the only way to solve, RFK's talking about food.
He's talking about red food dye number seven.
He's talking about fluoride.
They're not even talking about vaccines.
It's not even you.
If you look at maha.com right now, you will know their vaccines and pharma.
Are not even on the list of agenda items.
So the criticism here, again, is not in what he's saying.
No, but a blind criticism, or at least...
It's not blind.
It's wide open.
Eyes wide open.
No, because you're saying it is kind of, I say blind.
It's targeted, because no matter what he does, no matter what he says, it'll be a problem in terms of what he says, or it'll be a problem in terms of what he doesn't say.
That's simply not true.
If you go to maha.vote, it's makeamericahealthyagain.vote.
That is one of my little organizations, and we're gathering signatures, and we've laid out very clearly exactly what we would like to happen in order to make America healthy again.
And it starts with eliminating pharmaceutical liability protection that has been enshrined for the past 20 to 30 years in this country and was expanded under the emergency declaration of Of Donald Trump in 2020.
Also, we would like to see an end, some type of national ban on any type of mandate.
So any type of vaccine mandate, any type of course from any entity for any reason whatsoever.
So we're very specific.
And I could offer up to you probably an agenda item list of 100 things that I could get behind in a second.
It is not my fault that they don't put those things out there and they don't talk about those things.
That's not my fault as an analyst.
As an analyst, I'm going to talk about the things that they're saying.
And everything is bigger government.
It's lockdowns.
It's more centralized authority.
It is never a devolving of power from Washington, D.C.
It is always making them bigger.
But see, there's a number of things where we...
Well, sorry is...
Sorry doesn't necessarily mean what you're saying is right.
You have an element of the government that's going to eliminate jobs, reduce the size of the federal government.
You have RFK who's been out there for not just months, maybe decades, talking about the vaccine schedules and the correlation to disease.
Now you're reading into the fact that...
After he's appointed, or at least appointed to the HHS, he's not talking enough about it, but he's talking about red dyes.
He's talking about fluoride, which has been correlated to lower IQ.
He's talking about chemtrails.
All of a sudden, people don't want to talk about that.
And now it's not enough, and he's overtly, conveniently eliminating...
I'm saying it's an issue that we're keeping an eye on.
Good. Okay.
But then give him credit for saying that we're going to eliminate the...
We're going to tackle childhood obesity and we're going to tackle...
No, I'm not going to give credit if he's going to issue a nationwide emergency declaration.
We can do all this without issuing...
It is a grotesque abuse of power for governors and presidents to issue national emergencies over and over and over so that they can grab more power.
I don't like it.
I would say the majority of conservative Republicans and people who lived through the last declaration of a national emergency understand this.
And you don't need to do that in order to achieve the agenda items.
RFK wants to put out.
Same with the border and immigration.
In fact, Daniel Horowitz over at The Blaze put together a beautiful piece about all the things that you can do to rein in the immigration problem and actually effectively deport all of the illegal aliens in this country without a national emergency.
We don't need martial law.
We don't need an emergency declaration.
We can use the laws already on the books and just good old...
Common sense actions to achieve, to solve that problem.
But they always force us in to this straw man solution that empowers the very people who have subjected us to tyranny in the past.
And I'm just not into it.
Well, I agree with you in terms of, I agree with you if that's what the plan is in terms of the emergencies or declaring an emergency.
Why don't they do it?
They can achieve everything.
Trifecta power, Viva.
They have the president.
But that's not what I don't disagree with you on.
What I disagree with you on is your understanding of what they mean when they say we're going to declare an emergency on immigration.
You know what they mean?
Well, I'm not saying I do.
You don't know any more than I know what they mean.
But you're the one talking as though they're going to implement camps and lockdowns and FEMA camps.
No, Viva.
They said, we are going to issue an emergency on day one.
Let me play the clip.
And on day one, we're going to declare an emergency like we did in COVID.
But it's going to be a chronic disease emergency and we're going to get...
We're going to get the fluoride out of the water.
We're going to get the chemicals out of the food.
We're going to get the chemicals out of the chemtrails.
There's a thousand ingredients in our food that are banned in Europe.
And we're going to get rid of all those chemicals.
And I know how to do it.
I think that's effectively enough of what we do.
So the question is this.
We both heard the same thing.
And one screen, two films.
You hear it and think they're going to go COVID lockdowns.
No, I take him for what he says.
He said he's going to lock us down on day one and he's going to talk about fluoride.
Wait, hold on.
When is he going to lock us down on day one?
On day one.
Oh, sorry.
I totally misspoke.
On day one.
So we hear the same thing, and what I hear him saying is a sort of rhetorical, we're going to go after a real problem the way we went after COVID.
No, can you tell us something specifically, Viva?
You're an attorney.
He said, on day one, we are going to issue a nationwide emergency like COVID.
Let's hear it again.
Like COVID.
On day one, we're going to declare an emergency.
Like we did in COVID.
Okay, so what was the emergency with COVID?
What accompanied that?
No, but Shannon, I mean, we hear the words.
The question is, what do you- I think him at face value.
But that's nice.
That's like when the media pretends not to get a joke because they want to use it against him and make believe that he said something literal.
But when did they talk about FEMA camps to export immigrants?
Because I heard it and I feel like I missed something in terms of talking about locking down so they can deport illegal immigrants.
The thing is, we agree on 90, I would say 90 plus percent.
The centralized power and the abuse of emergency declaration, I was complaining about before COVID because up in Canada, they canceled Halloween because of a windstorm.
Like, mother effers, I will send my kids out in the weather that I think is proper for Halloween.
You're not going to cancel Halloween.
But it's where I believe that some things come out and you say things that actually discredit what would otherwise be.
What we should all agree on.
Yes. If they come down with emergency measures that I don't even know what they would look like in terms of banning food diet, then the question...
If they're going to do it, why not just take them for face value?
Why do you feel like you need to...
Change it.
Because if someone says this is the best meal I've ever had in my life, I'm not going to necessarily say, oh, you mean that you've never had any better meal in your entire life.
This is the best car on earth.
Oh, there is rhetoric.
And there is style.
And I can understand what he's going to do.
I'm just not understanding.
What do you think the fear is that they're going to do in terms of fighting?
It wasn't childhood obesity.
Hold on.
He called it...
There's no fear.
Chronic disease emergency.
I'm sorry.
Chronic disease emergency.
So what does that mean?
Maybe it means that they're actually going to go after the vaccine schedules and try to reduce them.
Try to make them optional.
I think that you are extrapolating.
I think you are as well.
You might be smoking a little bit too much of the hopium there.
I don't smoke.
No, I know, because I saw the word in the chat as well.
But no, I mean, the bottom line is, if he doesn't come out and say we're going to wage war, if he says we're going to wage war on chronic disease, I mean, you'll fault him for not saying it.
I don't read that as saying they're going to come out with emergency declarations, lock us down.
And the other thing is this.
When people say, like, okay, I'll make the choice.
Just let me know what the toxic dye is, and I'll buy the stuff that doesn't have it.
I don't believe in legalizing or empowering the government to outlaw slurpees.
And so then I can understand, like, okay, we all agree it's terrible, but we don't want the federal government banning food dyes?
I mean, is that going to be the other argument?
It would be preferable for them to not declare an emergency and give to themselves extraordinary powers to do whatever they want with us.
Because once they do that, Viva, you have no power.
All of a sudden, the executive, you know...
The executive order comes down, and you don't get to have a debate about whether or not you can have a Slurpee.
But what do you think?
What would that executive order look like?
I don't know.
You have to think about it.
If they're going after...
There are a million ways that they could do this, Viva.
Chronic disease emergency.
You don't want them to wage a war on chronic disease.
The declaration of war against drugs, chronic disease, it's been very well documented that it's always an agenda.
To, you know, ship money around.
And I mean, listen, I think we're getting in the weeds here.
And when are we done?
This is the longest interview I've ever done.
It's been very fun.
I was just waiting for you to get told.
I'll tell you what.
This is like playing chess with Bobby Fischer.
I mean, I feel like my brain is smoking right now.
Let's take a little break here.
And I'm like...
I get what she's saying.
Very easy speculation, doom, gloom, path to take.
If wrong, there's an easy spin-out.
But if things don't go as expected, it's well there, I told you.
Easy. I'm not doing it wrong.
My whole audience, they love me.
They don't think I'm gloomy at all.
No, no, no.
Well, that's the criticism is that you're doing it to gain an audience.
I don't make that criticism.
First of all, I don't think you gain an audience by being wrong.
I think you gain an audience by being right.
And I think you're right on a lot.
But I genuinely think...
I'm right all the time.
Well, you're not, because what you're reading into RFK is...
I'm joking.
I had a friend just like you back in Canada.
No matter what would have been done by way of food, he would have criticized it.
Don't bleach the outside of eggs.
You're going to complain about risking salmonella.
Bleach the outside of eggs.
He's going to complain that you're applying toxic chemicals to the eggs.
That's not me.
That is an unfair characterization of what I do every day.
And I will tell you, my audience would argue with you.
No, no, I'm sure they would.
But let me ask you this.
Solution, empowerment, hope, independence, emancipation every single day.
No one is afraid in my audience.
No one was afraid of big bad COVID in my audience.
No one was smothered behind two masks in my audience.
No one was being gaslit on a daily base in my audience.
Because we come together and we talk about the truth.
We lay it right down on the kitchen table.
And do I speculate a bit as an analyst and an observer?
Of politics.
Yes, I have my opinions.
Sometimes I'm wrong.
Sometimes I'm right.
But the audience comes because they want to hear.
See, here's the problem in conservative media is that no one says the things I'm saying.
This is the reason my audience is growing.
Well, first of all, I would disagree with that because some people are saying some of the things they're saying and the fact that- No one is ever going to say it's Trump.
Ever. But that's not true.
I put out a tweet just yesterday.
I put out a plan about how he has to disavow Operation Warfare.
I love it.
Good. I hope to see more of it.
But the fact that some people, the fact that everyone or there might be nobody else saying what you're saying, that's not necessarily a good thing either.
Let me ask you this.
I'm going to put you on the spot, Shannon.
By the way, tell me when you need to go.
I didn't even realize.
I didn't realize.
Let's go for another...
By the way, Viva, thank you very much.
I enjoyed this.
No, I love it.
I think a lot of my chat loves you.
I don't think some of them have seen you before.
I think more might be in agreement with you than in disagreement.
No. The McDonald's photo op, Shannon.
Do you think that that was AI or do you think that that's an actual photo?
Oh, gosh.
I've gone back and forth on that.
I was leaning that it was like superimposed.
It was AI.
That they were all sitting there and then they were kind of trolling us, I guess, a little bit.
But I also think, this is what I will tell you.
I mean, I was in, McDonald's used to be a client of mine way back in the day.
I wrapped buses.
I wrapped like a dozen city buses and bus wraps for McDonald's.
They're a great client.
Love them.
But I will tell you from a marketing and advertising perspective, the little stunt that Trump...
Pulled with going to McDonald's and serving up the fries and all of that happening.
And then that image, whether it was AI generated or not, I can guarantee you there is a marketing angle there.
There is not a chance that the C-suite did not know exactly what was going on, that there haven't been discussions.
And I would guess that there's going to be some type of...
My guess is there's going to be some type of McDonald's is embracing...
McDonald's is getting rid of seed oil.
That's going to be the play.
And they're going to get rid of seed oils and they're going to start frying up their french fries in beef tallow.
And that's going to be the new big marketing campaign and it's all building.
But I see those and my radar goes off.
I'm like, that is a marketing campaign.
100%. I have no idea what the particulars are.
Do you not see that this goes back to what I say, criticizing the things that are good or criticizing regardless?
Imagine if McDonald's actually goes back to beef tallow.
You should be celebrating that and not criticizing it.
Well, listen.
It is not okay for presidents or sitting government officials who have access to an enormous amount of power to, it's not appropriate or I would say, I mean.
If it's not transparent, if they're actually doing it.
It's so unethical.
It's so profoundly unethical that, I mean, it opens up a whole Pandora's box of really bad things.
But we see it all the time.
They're pimping Bitcoin right now.
Wait till you see.
Right now, they're right in front of our faces.
There is now what Catherine Austin Fitz has called an astroturf campaign to totally pimp and pump up the value of Bitcoin in a pump and dump scheme.
She wrote it up in Solari.
She's brilliant.
I don't know if you know Catherine Austin Fitz.
I did not get to listen to that interview before this one, which was the only thing I was kicking myself, but I'm going to listen to it afterwards.
She knows what she's talking about.
She operates at 800-level politics.
I even have a hard time keeping up with her.
I have people who are much smarter than me on the show.
But people need to be very, very concerned about what kind of shenaniganizing is going to go on.
Viva, right now, we have a very serious currency crisis.
We have a lot of pressure from BRICS nations.
They're placing pressure on the dollar.
These attempts to de-dollarize.
We have rampant inflation.
I mean, inflation unchecked.
It's crushing small businesses, average families.
And we have a debt bomb that we've been talking about for, what, 20, 30 years?
But it is accelerating.
To a point where many, many very savvy financial advisors and, you know, people who are watching the markets are saying that, you know, they're going to try something and they're going to potentially try something with Bitcoin or crypto.
And you can see the signals, the fact that...
People are calling that with the FTX scandal in terms of laying the way for regulating digital currency.
Yeah. It'll be criticism.
One way or the other, or suspicion one way or the other, which is not a bad thing.
No, but here's the thing, though, Viva.
If people have knowledge, if people have knowledge about what is really going on, they can protect themselves, right?
And this is why I go back to, you know...
The fact that so many in my audience and the people that I connect to during COVID, so many people have sent me emails and letters.
Shannon, I would have gotten the vaccine if it weren't for listening to your show.
Shannon, thank you for being one of the few voices out there that was just urging caution and helping people, getting as much information and the smartest people I could possibly find to come in and educate me, educate my audience.
But those people had to be outside of the two-party political system because the two-party system...
A lot of them were.
There were Democrats and Republicans, but they weren't locked in in the way that so many of us are.
And so, you know, moving forward, people are going to get, I mean, what is coming financially, I think, is going to be very, very difficult for a lot of people.
And the thing is, there are a lot of people who are going to get hoodwinked and snookered into, you know, investing in things that are clearly scams.
Well, you're going to get pushback for the Bitcoin being a scam and like the pump and dump.
It's been around for a decade.
A pump and dump has to be a little bit short.
My concern about the Bitcoin push for Bitcoin is to create something of a centralized digital currency.
And they're going to say Bitcoin is the unregulated one and we're going to have a regulated national.
Yeah, and we talked too.
If you guys want to go back, I had a great interview with Peter Schiff, great interview with Catherine Austin Fitz.
We had Ed Dowd on and got him to weigh on.
These guys don't always agree on everything either, Viva.
I get differing opinions here, but they are some of the brightest and the best and the most brilliant.
And so I go out there and just try to find the best teachers I can and bring them to the audience, and that's what I do.
I will not keep...
I say, Shannon, I forget who it was.
I shouldn't read the chat.
It says, like, oh, she's right more than he is.
We don't disagree on very many things here.
My only...
Where I tweet out at you and tag you is when I think you say something that discredits what would otherwise be the tenable positions.
And the number one is the McDonald's one, because I heard you listen.
I was listening to that.
I forget which podcast it was.
Yeah. Then you say, oh, I bet they're going to...
Come out with the campaign and go back to Talo.
I'm like, that's a good thing.
And now, whether or not it was secret collusion or McDonald's saying, let's expand on that opportunity now to then capitalize off RFK saying, go back to Talo.
And you're going to criticize that, like a big bad company doing a good thing to be a little bit healthier.
And you're going to criticize RFK for saying, let's declare war on the health epidemic.
Because I don't like the fact that he used the emergency declaration.
There are good things and bad things about that, right?
It doesn't have to exist in a vacuum.
And I would say, Viva, what are the nice things that you can say about Kamala Harris and Biden's administration?
Did you just criticize them all the time?
That would be a bad example, but I'll say something that I just said nice about Trudeau.
Because I really think Kamala Harris...
The nice thing that they did is they were so detestable that they didn't get elected.
That was the nice thing they did.
What did Joe Biden do?
You're doing the thing that you're...
You are also doing the very thing that you're accusing me of doing, right?
Because you see Biden as a villain.
You see Trudeau as a villain.
No, no, no.
Hold on, no.
I don't see Biden as a villain.
He is a villain.
And I don't see Trudeau as a villain.
He is a villain.
Trump is not a villain.
He's not a hero.
This is where I disagree with you.
I think that Trump might be a villain.
Well, he might be.
Might versus confirmed villainy.
Joe Biden confirmed villainy.
And Justin Trudeau confirmed villainy.
But even he's a confirmed villain.
He just suspended the taxes on food and restaurants.
That's a good thing to do.
But he's doing it for bad reasons because an election is coming up.
Good thing.
Let me actually think about what Biden did.
That was good.
It's okay.
You don't have to.
No, because I know that there is one.
People often are like, well, you have to say some nice things.
And there are nice things to say.
Oh, hold on.
I got one.
No tax on tips.
I liked when Kamala said that.
Build the wall.
I liked it when she said that, too.
That was a good policy.
I know Joe Biden did something where I said, yeah, that's actually one of the good things.
I think it had to do with potentially legalizing marijuana.
I forget what it was exactly.
But no, they are confirmed villains through their acts that I think we can all agree on.
Trump might be a villain.
We'll see.
I think he's proven himself not to be.
But that's not to say he's a hero either.
He's not beyond reproach.
And I think that he is susceptible to the backlash of the populist movement that got him elected.
Here's what I'll end with, Viva.
And I tell this to people all the time.
And this is what I will tell my family when I go and see them at Thanksgiving.
And again, they love Trump.
They are Trumpers.
And in my house, even though I'm not a huge Trump fan...
People can talk about any kind of politics they want.
There are no rules in our house.
We love each other no matter what, even if we have differing ideas.
But what I say very often, though, to people like you is that I come in every day.
I, of course, have my particular take on these issues and these politicians.
But in so many ways, for those who have a lot of hope for the Trump...
A lot of hope for what RFK is going to do and what they can achieve in the next year, year and a half.
In so many ways, I hope you're right.
Okay? So when I am contrarian and I'm saying these things, it is not because I want these things to happen.
I hope that I'm completely wrong.
I would love to be wrong.
I would love to come into January, February, March, April of next year and say Viva was right.
They did this, this, this, and this.
And that is actually like the truth from the bottom of my heart.
Right? Because we both want, what do we want?
A functioning country and freedom.
I want Trump to lock some motherfuckers up is what I want to do.
Now, he won't do it.
He won't do that.
He won't ever do that.
But the social shunning once all is exposed would be good.
But I agree.
If Trump does not investigate the jab and RFK does not look at Pfizer and if they don't revive the QTAM fraud case against Pfizer, I will be very vocal about that.
With any luck, make sure the next J.D. Vance presidency does it.
And if not, then the people will get what they deserve.
Keep waiting and hoping, Viva.
No, no, no.
But going from there to say, I'm not sure if the McDonald's picture is AI and it's a troll.
They're mocking us.
We're just having fun.
We're taking it too seriously, Viva.
No, well, the problem is...
It's the...
There's a lot of noise coming from outside there.
It is the blanket criticism regardless of what is done.
Like, oh, McDonald's is evil for going back to tallow.
Dude, that would be a big, fat win.
I didn't think that he was evil for going back to tallow.
It would be highly unethical to take marketing money from...
Commercial... Or they just see the opportunity.
If I'm McDonald's, the opportunity was there with Kamala or with Trump, except it's better with Trump.
You put things in my mouth that I don't say.
Because I didn't say that it would be evil if McDonald's went back to a beef tower.
No, you were describing it as this collusion between the...
No, I was joking around saying, I know what's going to come next.
There's going to be some...
And watch me, I'm going to be totally wrong on this.
It's not even happening.
That podcast about fire and fury, I forget where you mentioned to watch that.
That was interesting.
No, that was garbage.
Everyone should go listen to that.
That was 30 minutes of the most unhinged Trump derangement syndrome rubbish, trying to establish a connection.
Everyone should go listen to it.
Who was the guy?
It was Michael.
They don't say his last name.
So, you know...
I forget what his last name was.
There is a lot.
There was a lot of gossip and a lot of, oh yeah, they were best friends.
Trump and Epstein were best friends and all Epstein has to show for it are a few pictures from the 90s.
That's also where I...
I'm going to kill this dog.
Are those little dogs?
I thought it was interesting.
Give me one second.
So funny.
Shannon, we got one that's blind and one that's paralyzed.
And the paralyzed one, my wife gave her a spoonful of salmon, which has caused some...
Oh no!
I have a little tripod kitty.
A three-legged?
Yeah, he just came home.
That's cute.
My little baby buddy was mauled.
By a vicious dog.
Yes, by a vicious dog in our neighborhood.
And, I mean, it was just miraculous.
He had two, three surgeries, and they couldn't save his leg.
We had internal, I mean, it was just awful, awful, awful.
Our little buddy, but he survived.
He's such a fighter.
He survived, and he has the most beautiful spirit.
And so he lost his back leg, and he's just the cutest thing you've ever seen in your life.
What kind of dog did that to your cat?
It was a, I'm pretty sure that it is a black lab pit mix.
That just means people.
They say the black lab to get around.
I know.
I think so.
You're like, that thing is, and he, I mean, it's just the smallest world, but the surgeon, so the kitty ended up going to an animal shelter, and the surgeon happened to be my neighbor.
She lives right across the street.
And she also fostered Buddy because he was our foster kitty.
And so we got him from the shelter.
And so they took extra special care of him because she loved him.
But she told me, I mean, the chomp marks were just, she was like, it was a miracle.
Just a miracle that he survived.
Massive internal.
But it was all in the lower.
But yeah, so he's home though.
And he's the cutest thing in the world.
I love the little animals.
And even the ones that have...
You know, that might not be able to move around as much as the other ones.
They're special.
She, I won't tell you what she, I'll save the dirty details of what that dog did to the carpets this morning for the after school.
Shannon, ordinarily I would end with you and we would say our proper goodbyes, but I'm going to, I want to, there's a bunch of chats and I'll read when you're not here because I hate doing that with the guests.
We are now formally connected, and I dare say we are internet friends until we can meet in real life.
Shannon, I've got nothing against you, and as much as some of the tweets look between us like fighting tweets, I don't take anything personally unless it's deliberately and overtly personal, and even then I don't take it personally.
We agree on 95% of pretty much everything, except maybe some interpretation of some acts.
I think you're great, too.
And same thing.
I have very thick skin.
And so, I mean, people can lay it on.
I can take it pretty well.
But I'm really glad.
Again, I'm really glad to finally meet you.
And this was a really fun conversation.
So I hope we can collaborate again.
I hope you'll come on my show sometime.
A thousand percent anytime.
All right.
Have a great day.
Bye-bye.
All right, everybody, that was fantastic.
I got a bunch of...
What am I going to do here?
What I'm going to do here?
I'm going to read the...
I'm going to read them just like this.
Bring this up here.
Stop screen.
That was fantastic.
Look at people trying to sow discord.
Shannon and I, we don't disagree on much.
And it's good to be critical for the sake of being critical to a limit.
But I like her.
I'm going to go look up...
I got an article here on the back of Peter...
What was his name?
Bessent? Bessent?
See, how recently this man's ties to...
What's his face?
She looks like...
This picture of Shannon, she looks like the mother from one of the sitcoms back in the day.
Is it...
Oh, was it Growing Pains?
No, no, no.
It wasn't Growing Pains.
You know exactly who I'm talking about, guys.
The mother in a sitcom.
With that...
Oh, hold on.
I need the chat to tell me who she looks like.
Come on.
In the chat.
Full house.
Thank you.
Absolutely. Hold on.
I'm going to get that in a second after I read all these chats.
And the tip questions over on Locals.
Quallion says, glad to see Shannon still fighting the good fight.
Shannon and I crusaded together back in the day.
Shannon, this is Alan Shorer, former Henrietta GOP town leader.
I'm sure Shannon is watching still and reading this.
Alan, good to meet you.
Who would Shannon pick for Trump's administration?
If she gave some names, and we're going to disagree on...
We're not going to disagree on all of them.
We're all going to disagree on some of them.
But some are utterly disqualifying.
And the latest one is...
Janet Nishiwat.
Shannon trusts videos and hearsay from viewers on things she agrees on.
Also, Shannon doesn't trust Trump's ear was shot.
Ginger Ninja.
Ginger Ninja.
I see RFK join Trump.
I think Trump is capable of changing his mind on the worst decisions.
Shannon sees RFK joined Trump, doesn't trust RFK anymore.
She's gone back to trusting him, but I gave her a bit of a hard time for that tweet.
Back in the day, I got it in my...
I had it in case I had to show receipts, but I mean, we know what we disagree about on Twitter.
Confirmation bias is deadly and very infectious disease.
I'm trying to recover from it, but it's difficult to see people with stage four go untreated.
Ginger, nice to see you again.
TZ Burton, here is to round two of Viva vs.
Shannon. I'm happy Trump won, but I'm not happy with his picks.
Can we get new blood in DC instead of just insider?
I think you meant retards or retreads.
Was that retards or retreads?
Retreads? Oh, maybe that wasn't retards, and that was supposed to be retreads like on a tire.
Okay. King of Biltong in the house.
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Go and blast Sticks code out of the ground.
Sticks10 for 10% off.
We have dried fruit and we do a two-hour Thanksgiving stream.
We will have a two-hour Thanksgiving stream as well as a show on Friday, Sunday, 4 p.m.
Eastern, 3 p.m.
Central. Shit talking quilts.
Cooking real food with real tallow.
You know what?
We cooked steak the other night and I kept the pan and the fat that congealed on the bottom.
I used it to fry up the eggs in the morning.
Delicious. It was the Chicago Stakes, actually.
Trump isn't a villain.
If anything, I worry he won't go far enough in pursuing accountability.
Well, that would make him a villain to some.
The West cannot survive these corrupt and ideological people.
If he doesn't destroy them, they will come back.
Yes. And that's why people say he's either wildly naive for bringing some of them onto his team, sitting down to meet with those...
Mika Brzezinski and intern man Joe Scarborough are evil.
And evil in the sense that maybe they're very nice and you hang around with them.
They are backstabbing, conniving, conniving sons of bitches.
Period. And for Trump to meet with them, to think that they would do anything other than stab him in the back if it meant more ratings.
Contribute to impeachment 3.0.
Those mother effers will turn on Trump if they ever turned around to turn around again.
So him meeting with them, unless he's doing it to publicly shame them for some strategic reason, it's a big fat mistake.
To try to make friends with them, you do not make friends with the Scorpion.
Alright, now we're going to vivabarneslaw.locals.com and get the tipped questions.
You know what?
Okay, you know what?
Let's... No, I'm going to read the tipped questions here.
We got encryptus in the house.
Let me just change the...
Here we go.
I'll do that.
And I'm going to bring these up.
No, I'm not going to bring these up.
I don't know if I can bring these up.
The countdown timer is under your logo.
Try moving to the opposite center, says Encryptus.
Yes, it's when I use StreamYard.
On Studio, it doesn't cover it because I don't have the logo on Studio.
I'll just have to re-record.
It's a real ghetto thing.
What I did, I screen grabbed the song and then I ran it through.
Final Cut, then I uploaded it to YouTube, and then I play the video that I've uploaded to YouTube.
Except in StreamYard, I could remove my banner.
It would be the easiest thing to do.
Finboy Slick, don't let Shannon outshine you, Viva.
Show her you have assigned gangsta barns.
That's the meme from before.
Dredd Robert, in the house.
He reduced regulations.
Why is she putting blame or credit to Trump for things he did not have the power to do?
He tried to build the wall and was prevented by Congress.
She's got some legitimate criticism against Trump.
He did implement the bump stock ban.
He did have that sound clip about red flag laws, which people used against him as much as they, you know, used the red flag laws against DeSantis.
I mean, DeSantis also was supporting some red flag laws in Florida.
He tried to build the wall, was prevented by Congress, who approved the building, but refused to fund it.
For SCOTUS, he nominated people and the Senate approved.
He had no power on Obamacare.
We put him into the legislature.
The assault weapons ban was under Clinton more than anything he passed in the Trump admin.
He proposed cutting the CDC and was blocked.
That is from Dred Robert.
Lily America says, here is the way I see it.
I went through a long, drawn-out divorce and custody battle.
My ex lied every chance he got and used our child as a pawn in his battle to punish me.
I was not perfect and made lots of mistakes, but I did the best I could with what I had available to me.
I feel Trump is doing the best he can with what he's got.
I don't worship him, but I did vote for him.
And we've got Boopsy says, Big Pharma and the huge corporations are hungry, sorry, are huge powers.
The enemies this next admin will be up against declaring an emergency gives more power and money toward their efforts doesn't imply lockdowns.
I mean, you don't, how do you have, the emergency measures to ban food, dyes, the only argument there is whether or not the feds should have the authority to ban toxic dyes.
Because go back to the slushy or the sugar drinks.
I don't think the government should illegalize those either.
But remember all the commercials on TV, posters in the clinics, the stimulus checks, that's power.
Encryptus says, Lori Loughlin is who you think she looks like from Full House.
She got convicted for cheating.
She got convicted for cheating to get her kid into school.
That's right!
Could be interesting to cover for a four-minute segment.
Lori Loughlin absolutely is who it is.
Hold on.
Lori... What date?
What's the date?
When does my computer get here?
Oh, this mother...
It's not going to do any good.
You can still see me, I presume.
And actually, it's typically with Fox News or any of these outlets that run outrageous amounts of ads.
Lori Loughlin...
Oh, dude, it's uncanny.
Lori Loughlin's a little older.
It's uncanny.
Look at this.
Oh, right here.
Bada bing, bada boom.
Bada boom.
No question.
She's a Lori Loughlin generation, the next generation.
All right.
Did I miss anything here?
Are we still live on all these platforms, eh?
So what would you like for McDonald's to do?
They'd close shop, Bosman.
No, it's like...
I don't think it was an ad campaign from corporate with McDonald's.
But if they don't seize on the opportunity, they're idiots.
And it's a great idea from a marketing perspective.
They should jump on it going back to tallow, beef tallow, going back to something healthy.
The seed oil I still don't understand, but I know that people are freaking out about it.
Patchy, disgusting beard.
So, yeah, there's that.
And now let's go to the chat over on locals.
And see, I have Greek green card.
My wife...
It has an American one.
This is in Cryptus.
If Trump obeys his oath to faithfully execute the duties of the office and to take care of the laws that are faithfully executed, in accordance with the Constitution, he will not be a villain but a hero.
Hoping but not holding my breath, says one of the people.
Then we got here.
Merchant Marine says, get the mercury out of people's dental work in their mouths.
All silver fillings have mercury in them.
Seriously, they constantly volatize.
Yeah, but I don't think they've used silver in a long time.
And ironically enough, you know, the people who have the silver are like my dad's generation.
I don't have very many cavities because I brush my teeth, but I have a few.
But it's not, it's definitely not silver.
Or mercury for that matter.
Farrell Kough says, I believe I've seen podcast videos from this woman.
Great find.
This should be most interesting.
I look forward to listening to this at a later time.
Huge thanks for the bio.
She made it easy because she had her bio on a website.
And then we got rolling fatties, and it's somebody rolling a fat little kitten on the side.
Ho-hum, I followed her a while ago.
No, I'm not going to insult my guest.
She was good.
I like her.
First of all, I like that she came on.
And we'll continue to fight on Twitter.
It's fun.
I'm not your buddy guy.
Alright, people.
I gotta go because the kids are off school all week.
I think I should be having Sonny Johnson on tomorrow.
We'll see.
But I'm not sure.
And now I'm going to go.
I'm going to go squeeze that dog out.
Finish cleaning the carpets.
Carpets. Multiple carpets.
Because my wife stepped in it after.
And now I've got one carpet outside.
I've got to go blast it down again.
And she's got a UTI because this is what happens.
It all comes together.
But I'll go kiss her on the face and pat her and tell her she's a good dog.
Okay, so I'm going to end the stream.
Locals, let me see what's going on here.
Lobster rolls year-round work for me, says Einstein Universe.
Mercury is far in fish.
It's far worse.
Focus on fish, says C-Tune.
It's an amazing thing.
I got a heart doctor that says, eat less red meat, eat fish.
Oh, only fish and only chicken and maybe turkey.
And I'm like, okay, that's good for that.
What about mercury?
Oh, that's not about...
But I got warned not to eat the peacock bass out of the Everglades.
Cavities have nothing to do with brushing your damn teeth, says RP McMurphy.
That's a first I've ever heard of that.
So yeah, my cardiologist says, eat less red meat.
And I'm like, no.
I need to find another cardiologist.
Eat less red meat, less caffeine, and don't drink alcohol.
No, no, and no.
And thank you for trying to take away the three of the culinary pleasures of life.
That is it.
We shall go now.
Two hours.
Locals, we'll get something going a little later.
We stayed on all the platforms across for this entire show, and it was great, I think.
And that is it.
Cod liver oil and vitamin D will stop cavities.
Bad doctor, all bad advice, says Encryptus.
We'll talk later.
No viva, it's genetics.
As is most shit, I know that people brush their teeth all the time and still get cavities.
I'm sure it affects some.
Yeah, no, but going to bed with sugar on your teeth is not good.
It does feed off the calcium.
So, okay.
You are 100% wrong on mercy.
Viva Fry says, Merchant Marine, you are 100% wrong on mercy.
Merchant Marine, I'm very curious as to what you mean by that.
Can you flesh that out?
Unless you meant mercury and not mercy.
Tell me what you meant so that I don't spend the rest of the day Wondering what you meant.
I'm looking for Merchant Marine to clarify.
Merchant Marine.
Do it.
This is in locals, people.
Oh, you meant Mercury.
Okay. I was like, what did I say about mercy today?
Okay. Go and enjoy the day, everybody.
Thank you all for being here.
And thank my guest, Shannon Joy.
Check her out on Twitter.
I'll put the links in the bio, but Shannon Joy Radio, I think it is what it is.
Shannon Joy Radio on Twitter.
My face is itchy.
Oh, God.
Okay. So now go.
Enjoy the day.
I got to go do something with the kids.
Fish? What should we do?
Fish? Net casting?
Cast netting?
Catch a gator?
Ride a gator?
We'll see.
I'll send locals the picture of what we do this afternoon.
Peace out, everybody.
I will see you all tomorrow.
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