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Nov. 7, 2024 - Viva & Barnes
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Live with the Gad Saad! Talking "Suicidal Empathy" and the Post-Election Liberal Meltdown! Viva Frei
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me scared, you want me weak You want me brain dead in a sleep You want us struck while you are left behind the scenes You want us sick, you think we're dumb You want us blind and you want us struck You want
us poor while you get more of everything But you don't get to tell me what to think and what to do You don't get to tell me what is true Cause you're just
liars, teens and cooks Change the rules and you burn the books And so I don't believe a single word you say Cause you're all liars, fakes and cons Watch out and we want you gone So don't believe this time you'll get away Wanna check By the way, I get goosebumps when I listen to music that I love.
I don't think you can see it.
And I've been told that they're actually not goosebumps when you get moved by music or, you know, scenes from movies.
They're called a frisson, which is sort of a French reference.
Frisson is when things like tingle down your skin.
And they're not goosebumps, which are typically from when you get cold and, you know, you might get other bodily appendages that respond to the cold.
That is five times August, new song.
Let me make sure I'm on my good mic here.
I am and I am.
That's five times August, new song.
That I had his authorization to start today's show with a minute of that.
And now I kind of want to ask him if I can start every episode with that song.
That would be like the countdown timer for every episode.
If you don't know who Five Times August is, I don't know where you've been.
I know some of you are going to say, I don't want to go support Apple Music.
You're not supporting Apple Music when you go download that song and bring it to number one.
You're supporting Five Times August.
The link to the song is in the chat now, and I'm going to give the link to the tweet because the video is amazing.
Here's a link to the tweet.
So go check that out.
Go Chikiruri!
And that is all.
Good morning, everybody.
I am not a person who revels in the misery of others.
Ever. But!
I don't revel in the misery of others because what we are witnessing right now...
It's not genuine misery.
It's not genuine sadness from people who lost the election.
It is hysterical babies throwing hissy fits.
And yes, I'm a parent.
And I'm not always that, oh, it's okay, son.
I understand you're disappointed that you can't eat candy.
No! You quit crying and you quit being a baby and you grow the F up.
Oh, someone called you a jerk?
Someone called you mean at school?
Someone called you fat?
Oh, I'm sorry.
Grow up and get over it.
So what we're witnessing right now, it's not misery.
It's not true sadness.
It's not someone who lost a dog.
It's not someone whose squirrel and raccoon were seized by the government and summarily executed.
What we are watching are a bunch of snowflake babies whose daddies never told them no, throwing a hissy fit because they didn't win this time.
And yes, I am reveling in the meltdown on the internet.
Cardi B?
Comes out and says, I'm one cigarette away from going crazy.
I got one cigarette left in me.
I was like, you got one cigarette left in you.
You should talk to Monica Lewinsky.
There's room for more, Cardi.
Holy hell.
We're going to talk about it today because I'm convinced.
Gad's sad if you don't know him.
The Gadfather, you know him because he's been on the channel a bunch of times.
He's awesome.
He's not a clinician who can diagnose collective mental illness.
But he's a very smart man with an understanding of history and the mental psyche to be able to diagnose collective mental illness.
We're going to get there.
Gad's in the house.
We're going to talk about his upcoming book called Suicidal Empathy or has something to do with suicidal empathy.
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Who's sitting there.
If you saw what I see right now, what you're going to see.
I'm looking at a statue of a Greek hero chiseled out of rock.
Gad, I'm bringing you in.
Oh my.
Oh my.
I like that.
Chiseled Greek god.
I love it.
I look bigger than you on screen, but you're a good six inches taller than me and more impressive than me in real life.
Gad, how goes the battle?
In the upper six inches or where it really counts in the pants six inches?
Which one were you referring to?
Probably both.
All that I know is that mine worked well enough for three kids and that's all I needed in life.
How you doing, Viva?
So good to see you.
The same.
Gad, you're stuck behind the maple gulag up in Canada where the shit is hitting the fan these days.
Yes. Well, I just, I don't know if you saw.
I actually prepared it for you.
I just put out a tweet.
Of my fear.
You know, the full fear that all of my colleagues are exhibiting.
So could I share with you?
Can I read out my tweet?
No, please.
Do you see...
Oh, go to the private chat and then you can send me the link.
But I'll just go to you right now and get it.
Yeah, you're asking me to multitask.
I'll get it.
Is this the...
Let me see here.
It's pretty...
It's very early in my feed, like probably about half an hour ago.
Oh, 1226.
1226. It's called, it's my own Donald Trump orgiastic dear diary entry of full fear.
You ready?
I'll bring it up when you read it and I'll bring it in two seconds.
I was going to splash like, you know, fake tears on me because I'm so scared.
So I'm going to read it for your fans.
Here we go.
Okay, ready?
Today I stand before you as a fearful Jew of color.
Now that Trump has won, I realize that my days as a free man are numbered.
Also, my wife, who self-identifies as a man, is fearful that he will be sent to a trans gulag.
Because my biological female wife is a man, this implies that we are in a same-sex gay marriage.
I know that Trump is going to commit a genocide on gay people, so I worry that if we were to ever go to the U.S., we will be rounded up into extermination camps.
Finally, as a behavioral scientist and professor of 30 plus years, I know that Trump is anti-science, hence I'm likely going to be fired from an academic job because he plans on eradicating science.
I'm looking at the possibility of starting a falafel food truck with my friend Ahmed, but I worry that Trump is going to round up all Muslims.
Finally, my husband Meaning my biological female wife who identifies the man, might wish to have unlimited abortions.
And I fear that he won't be able to do that anymore.
Please help me.
I'm so scared.
And then I put in brackets, it's really surprising that Trump won on Tuesday.
Do you buy my story of full fear?
Do you feel my fear?
Well, the funny thing is, if I didn't know you...
I would not necessarily be a thousand percent certain that that is satire and parody.
Let's start from ground zero here, like the step one.
People call mass formation psychosis a conspiracy theory or something that doesn't exist.
What are your credentials for those who may not know you?
Well, I have a...
Bachelor's of Science in Mathematics and Computer Science.
I have an MBA with a thesis in Operations Research.
I have an MS in Science.
I mean, officially it's in Management, but it's in Behavioral Sciences.
And my PhD is in Psychology of Decision Making with one of the leading cognitive psychologists in the world.
He just recently retired.
I've been a Behavioral Scientist for 30 plus years.
I pioneered the field of evolutionary consumer behavior.
So I know one or two things about human behavior.
So let's start with the number one thing.
Mass formation psychosis, which we're told doesn't exist as a conspiracy theory.
Oddly enough, the authorities that fact-checkers use to debunk it are so-called behavioral group psychologists, which to me, group behavior is mass formation psychosis by another name.
Your professional opinion, Doc, does it exist or does it not exist?
And what is it?
It does.
And look, it's hardly the first time that the manifestation of this kind of unhinged collective irrationality has taken place, right?
What makes it unique?
So, for example, oftentimes, so to your question, and I'll just add to it, many times people ask me, so what you refer to in your book as parasitic idea pathogens, is this a novel thing?
So to your question, is mass psychosis something new?
It's not new.
But the specific parasitic ideas are new.
So to draw an analogy, it's not as though viruses didn't exist prior to COVID, but COVID was a new virus, right?
So viruses have always existed, but there's now a new manifestation.
In 1918, there was the Spanish flu, another virus, okay?
So the problem arises today that over the past 50 to 100 years, there is a set of dreadful ideas All of which were spawned on university campuses.
And it took a while to proliferate outside of the ivory tower.
And what we're seeing now, in part, which you call mass psychosis, I call parasitic idea pathogens, is the result of that indoctrination that has been slowly taking place for 50 to 100 years.
The reason why I say 50 to 100, because depending on the parasitic idea, you can time...
You know, put a stamp of it's about 100 years ago.
So say, for example, cultural relativism, the idea that all cultures are equal and who are we to judge the values of another culture and so on.
That came from Franz Boas, a Columbia University professor about 100 years ago.
On the other hand, postmodernism is a movement that started about 50 years ago or so.
So between 50 and 100 years is when all the lunacy really started.
Nazi Germany is the classic paradigm of when society descends into madness.
You can think of Mao's revolution or Stalinism in general.
And some people will say, well, that's not a form of mass group hysteria or that's more living under tyranny and everyone's too scared to do whatever.
But there were true believers in all of those, in as much as we're seeing true believers today.
I mean, I guess, so nothing new.
We're tapping into something of human condition of, I would call, the weak spirits, the weak minds.
Exactly. So to take your example of, say, the Soviet Union, and I referenced this in the parasitic mind, Lysenkoism, okay, was a scientific theory named after Lysenko, who was the head of science under Stalin.
They believed that the laws of heredity, the laws of genetics, were not consistent with Marxist philosophy.
And therefore, they purported that there is another, more veridical genetic theory, which then became known as Lysenkoism.
Without getting into the technical weeds, it is based on something, an evolutionary theory called Lamarckism, which is a theory of acquired traits, which is not how...
Evolutionary mechanisms operate, at least not when it comes to, say, crossing crops when you're developing an agricultural program.
But they thought that that theory was more in line with their Marxist philosophies.
So they built their food programs and their agricultural programs in line with this false scientific theory, which then led to the death by starvation of 20 to 30 million people.
The reason why I tell that story...
It's because it demonstrates that it's not only the uneducated that are parasitized by these weak minds, as you said.
To the contrary, it's usually the intellectuals who come up with those dreadful ideas, and then because of their imprimatur as experts, they can then pass on those theories to all of the imbeciles out there.
Lysenkoism is kind of amazing, especially when you're talking about farming.
Almost as absurd, but not quite as absurd, or I guess, you've seen Idiocracy, correct?
I know of it.
I didn't see it from start to finish.
You absolutely must, because there's a part of it where they're giving Brondo, you know, plants need electrolytes.
It's got electrolytes, so they're feeding plants basically Gatorade, the movie version of Gatorade, and all the plants are dying, and the guy's like, why are you giving the plants Gatorade?
And they say, well, it's got electrolytes.
It's like, do you know what electrolytes do?
And they say, they just need water, and it's like, the water growing out of the toilet?
The water you have in the toilet?
He's like, yeah.
He's like, well, Mr. Smartypants, why don't I see plants growing out of the toilet then?
And it's that level of insanity that you have when the science doesn't work.
You make up some sort of excuse, political excuse for it.
And lo and behold, they had the dust bowl and idiocracy and they had a famine that killed 20 million people as a result of Lysenkoism.
You're in the thick of Canada where I see people virtue signaling the election of Trump.
Not understanding it was a decisive landslide majority vote, popular vote victory, and yet these jackasses think they know better than the people for themselves.
What's the mood up in Canada?
Well, it's exactly what you would expect from a super progressive country, which is that this demonstrates, this only solidifies our view.
I'm speaking now as the progressive Canadian, not as Gatsat, that, you know, our southern neighbors are truly ruled by insane, degenerate, toothless maniacs who sleep with their sisters, right?
I mean, what else could explain that Trump would come to...
By the way, yes, of course, I've got a talent to use hyperbolic humor and satire, but...
What makes that satire so powerful is that it really is a very accurate description.
As you said, when I first read my tweet and you said, I wouldn't be able to know if I didn't know you, if it's real or fake, if you're being satirical or not.
The kind of hysteria you see, Viva, you know, it offends me to my core.
And again, this is not some misinformed...
Those are my colleagues, many of whom have all of the titles and accolades that you could hope to have.
Speaking of which, Gad, I went down your feed here also.
We come across similar stuff, but this is a real thing, by the way, that you retweeted.
You said...
Let's see if I can get this here.
In my entire academic career, I have never incorporated political issues into my pedagogic responsibilities.
Check this out.
What happens if someone in this person's lab was a fervent supporter of Donald Trump?
Academia needs to be purged of this ideological rapture.
It is a cancer that I've been warning you about for decades.
Read this full, read this, or please read The Parasitic Mind and make sure you get suicidal empathy when it comes out for pre-ordering.
I will, but I gotta bring up this tweet that you brought up.
I sent this to my lab this morning.
This is from a neuro...
This is from academia.
This woman, presumably, or man, I don't know who it is, presumably reads, grades other people's papers.
And if they know their politics, I would not expect a fair review.
This is from what the person wrote to their lab.
Well, that didn't go well.
That didn't go well.
Sorry. General population vote.
Doesn't matter.
That didn't go well.
Between the snow and an election result that is, to say, the least incredibly disheartening, please feel free to take a day or two If you need time, I want to say that even though America is terrible and, at least at this moment, doesn't value us or our identities, you are all great people and I appreciate you all, except those who voted for Trump, for your uniqueness that makes our lab a remarkable group and we are a better place, we are a better people and scientists for it.
I am happy that all of you are part of the lab and I will do everything I can to support our group and you each individually for whatever comes down the line.
I will be in today and tomorrow.
I am WFH, what does that mean?
Working from home on Friday and available for regular meetings.
We can complain bitterly and cry together for those who are scheduled today.
I don't know if this person's in America or Canada.
They talk as though statistically 50% of their lab wouldn't be Trump supporters, which means that there is some ideological purge that this person is banking on in academia.
Well, there isn't, by the way.
I don't know either if they're in Canada or the U.S., but it isn't 50-50, right?
Because as I...
We provide endless evidence in the parasitic mind of studies that have looked at the political affiliation of professors and academia.
I mean, across all disciplines it can vary from 5 to 1 to 11 to 1. Which is certainly unbelievably lopsided.
But in activist disciplines, in anthropology and in sociology and in ethnic studies and in communications and so on, it could be 130 to zero.
In other words, you're more likely to run into a unicorn or a horse with wings.
I mean, literally, than you are to run across a Republican professor in communications or Almost in psychology.
So, is that a good thing?
I mean, does it make...
I mean, I explain to people, look, there are certain issues in academia that are true irrespective of your political orientation.
So, for example, you know, tectonic plate dynamics are true or not, whether you're Republican or Democrat.
The theory of evolution has been verified in endless ways, and it doesn't matter whether you're Republican or Democrat.
On the other hand...
On the other hand, if I'm teaching about the ethics and morality of the death penalty, there are very compelling arguments that could be made by both sides of that issue, right?
And so I would certainly stand to benefit if I'm able to hear those that may not share my views on whatever fiscal policy that we're discussing or foreign policy or death penalty and so on and so forth.
So in some disciplines, you genuinely are...
Murdering and raping the pursuit of truth if you presume that there is only one right position to take.
And so we are cheating our students and their intellectual development, as this neuroscientist is doing, by presuming that anybody who's in her lab surely must be of the same political opinion.
It's grotesque.
There was another beautiful one, Gad.
I'm not sure if you saw this.
When you say what they think of Americans...
Well, she's a Democrat strategist, so that's fair enough that she'll be an idiot.
White men without college degrees are going to ruin this country.
Yes. I mean, think of Elon Musk, total uneducated guy who's never done anything in his life, who's the biggest supporter of...
You know, Gad Saad has, you know, a very, very long list of diplomas and degrees and all sorts of titles.
Again, just an uneducated white guy, although I'm Lebanese, so I'm a Jew of color.
You've got Bill Ackman, another guy who's never done anything.
Douglas Murray.
Here's another uneducated white guy, the Somali woman.
Ayaan Hirsi Ali is also an uneducated white guy.
So it's such an affront.
As you know me enough to know this, but maybe some of your viewers and listeners don't, in Chapter 1 of The Parasitic Mind, I basically state that the two fundamental ideals that drive and guide my life trajectory are truth and freedom.
You know, I'm perfectly happy if I do something wrong to stand up and say, hey, I'm really sorry, Viva.
I know I showed up.
20 minutes late, and please forgive me, right?
It takes humility, right?
But that's what you need if you're going to function properly in society.
You admit when you're wrong, you stand proudly when you think you're right, but you regulate your behavior so that you always exhibit epistemological humility.
Those folks simply could never do so, right?
It doesn't matter how much evidence I show you that...
Donald Trump's tent is the most inclusive tent that one could have ever imagined.
It's still only uneducated, hick, white people who are voting for him.
You're going to love this.
Now, in fairness to this, I don't know if it was from 2016 or 2024, but it doesn't matter.
With the imagery that you see here, look at this.
Let me turn the volume down so I don't get copy-claimed on this.
This is European politicians, from what I understand, sitting there with their arms crossed.
There has to be some human evolution thing about this particular stance that makes it repulsive.
But you've got foreigners standing like scorned housewives or angry mothers looking at their kids, and that is the attitude that they have to people who voted en masse against them.
Blows my mind.
Now, I've been breaking down some of the stats.
Set aside, it's a popular vote victory.
The number may come down a little bit because they're still counting California.
45% of Latinos voted for Trump.
Record numbers with black men.
Record numbers with black women, but still, you know, 20%.
And what they're basically saying...
I try not to draw these hyperbolic comparisons and call them, you know, like, this is what slave owners used to do back in the day, but the treatment is that of a slave owner, where it's like the minorities don't know what's good for them.
They need the woman standing there with her arms crossed telling them how to think, how to vote, and what to do.
And when they deviate and when they veer too far from the plantation, then they say, you better come back because we're the ones telling you what to do.
You don't get to think for yourself.
But this.
Is there an evolutionary reason for why that gives you...
I don't know if I can make an intelligent comment about specifically the scornful non-verbal stance, but I think in terms of...
In existential stance, it basically is saying you either believe as I do or there is something morally diseased about you.
And therefore, that's why I must look at you with such scorn, right?
Because I am part as Thomas Sowell.
Oh, Thomas Sowell, who's another uneducated white man, right?
For those of you who don't understand the satire, he's a black man, arguably one of our...
The best intellectuals that the United States has ever had.
He's an economist.
But apparently he's a white, uneducated man.
He certainly would not be supporting Kamala and her degenerates.
But that's the reality, certainly in academia.
That kind of stance is exactly the world that I have inhabited for well over three decades.
I'll give you a great story.
People learn a lot from...
Storytelling? I mean, I could give you all of the fancy academic stuff, but what sticks is when you back it up with actual vivid narratives.
So in 2023, I was invited to be one of the plenary speakers at a one-day conference at USC, a prestigious university in Southern California.
It was in celebration of, I think, the 10-year anniversary of a particular center at USC, and it was a day on, you know, Are enlightenment values still de rigueur?
Are they still valid?
And so on.
So I gave a talk at that conference, and you can watch my talk on my channel, on deontological versus consequentialist ethics.
And if you want, just as a small tangential parenthesis, let me just explain what that is.
So deontological ethics are absolute statements of ethical positions.
It is never okay to lie, would be a deontological statement.
Consequentialism would be judging the moral and ethical standards of a particular action based on its consequences.
So if I say, well, it's okay to lie to spare my wife's feelings if she asks me, do I look good in that dress or not?
Well, then that would be consequentialist.
And as I tried to explain in a very professorial manner at the talk, it's a very serious talk.
You know, no gad humor, very sober.
I said, look, for many, many things, it makes perfect sense for us to put on a consequentialist hat.
But for certain foundational principles, by definition, they are deontological.
So if you say things like, I believe in freedom of speech, but, and the but is just a bunch of consequentialist calculations, then you are an imbecile who doesn't believe in freedom of speech.
And I gave many examples to highlight this point.
Only one of which was the Trump example when he was booted out of what was then Twitter.
And I said, it can't make sense that you believe in freedom of speech, but not for Donald Trump.
Uniquely, there is an asterisk in this deontological principle that says Donald Trump is not afforded that deontological right.
That was my only contribution to Trump in that bigger lecture that I can remember.
If you saw the Q&A period after, which, by the way, even though they promised that they would send me, they decided not to send it because they realized that once I would advertise it on my large platform, it would make them look really bad.
They said, oh, well, we can't send it because we didn't get signed clearance from all the audience members that the clip could be released.
It was a public event.
It didn't follow any secrecy laws.
People started getting up, and they were unhinged in their hysteria.
By the way, my wife and kids were with me in that room, and my children, who are still very young, came up to me and said, Daddy, why are people screaming like that at you?
It's insane.
One of them, by the way, so to our point about mass psychosis, said to me, it makes perfect sense that the government would regulate some of your speech if it is dangerous and corrosive.
Speaking specifically to me, I said, can you give me an example of something that I said in today's event that you would consider to be, that would require the government to step in and stop?
He said, well, for example, by the way, when he first began his Q&A, he had to say what his identity is.
I'm a Latino.
I like when they do.
They put the extra T. I'm a Latino.
I'm a gay Latino man who studies sex, whatever.
He said to me, when you said that men cannot bear children and that men don't menstruate, that should be regulated.
So then I paused and in my inimitable God style, I said, let me just repeat this to see if I understood.
You think that when it comes to the issue of whether men menstruate and can bear children, I'm on the wrong side of that issue.
And then you can sort of hear uncomfortable murmur.
That happened not at a psychiatric ward.
It happened at USC.
That's University of Southern California.
Yes, sir.
It's officially crazy.
The thing is, though, I think it's officially crazy.
The idea was that by denying a biological fact that that qualifies as the requisite degree of real-life violence, that it would warrant censorship online.
Exactly. All of those parasitic ideas.
So in the parasitic mind, I was trying to come up with a universal explanation for why each of those parasitic ideas are so catchy.
Like, what is it that could make someone actually believe this nonsense?
So in the same way, and let me draw an analogy.
Different cancers have different trajectories, but the singular thing that they have in common is unchecked cell division.
So at least we can agree that...
That is a commonality across the different cancers.
Okay, so what is common across all of these parasitic ideas?
Postmodernism, cultural relativism, social constructivism, radical feminism.
It's that they all start off with a noble objective.
And then in the service of that noble objective, if you have to rape and murder truth in the service of that objective, so be it.
So it's a consequentialist argument, right?
So I'm a really super empathetic and kind person.
I really love trans people.
And I really don't want them to ever have their feelings hurt.
So in the service of that, well, the reality is most of us.
Don't care that you're trans and want you to live a life that's fully dignified and void of bigotry.
But in the service of that goal, I'm not going to nod my head and say, oh, yeah, yeah, men too can menstruate.
Oh, yeah, yeah, men too can bear children because I want to protect your unique personhood.
That's what I tried to explain to the degenerates in the Canadian Senate in 2017 when I went up as an expert witness to say that there are dangers in denying reality.
It starts off with a noble empathetic reflex, but then it metamorphosizes into pure bullshit.
So that's what's common across all that lunacy.
In the context of your studies, have you done any breakdown as to what the...
What the proportion of true believers are, what the proportion of fake believers are, but who love the power that it gets them, and what the proportion of actually mentally ill individuals who are legally not able to consent among this calculation.
Yeah, that's a fantastic question.
So I don't have the empirical evidence to answer that question, but I've often...
I questioned it myself in terms of in the deep recesses of their minds when they go to bed at night and lay their heads on the pillow.
Do they genuinely believe that?
And I suspect that many of them do because it is a way to protect their...
It's an ego-protective mechanism that I am a truly orgiastically empathetic and kind person.
Which, by the way...
Not to engage in promotional plugging, but that's exactly the point of my next book, right?
Suicidal Empathy.
Because what parasitic mind did is it said, here is what happens when your cognitive system is parasitized, right?
But we also have an emotional system, right?
We are both a thinking and feeling animal.
So the parasitic mind is about how parasitic ideas...
Distort your ability to think clearly and to navigate reality clearly.
And then in the follow-up with suicidal empathy, well, here's what happens once your emotional system is hijacked.
And so now you have, if you like, the full story.
I'm going to play you.
You saw Jimmy Kimmel's tearful statement.
Oh, I actually retweeted it.
He was so empathetic.
Let me bring this up.
Because this is where I think there's people who...
Exploit this for ego and clout.
There's others who exploit it for actual malice.
Within the online, you must admit that men can shower with girls, etc.
There are those who are genuinely mentally unwell, like DSM-5, clinically diagnosable.
There are other sociopaths who want to do it because they are deep misogynist and want to abuse women.
And then there's others who just want to do it because it's a lever for control and influence.
Watch Jimmy Kimmel because a lot of people were observing.
He's not crying out of any form of sincere empathy.
He's crying because, on the one hand, maybe he doesn't feel that he has any influence anymore because nobody listened to his wise advice.
Where's the audio here?
Hold on a second.
Oh, yeah, there we go.
Put that down there.
Listen to Jimmy Kimmel's Crocodile Tears.
Let's be honest.
It was a terrible night last night.
It was a terrible night for women, for children, for the hundreds of thousands of hardworking immigrants who make this country go.
Oh, oh, oh.
For science.
For science.
For journalism, for justice, for free speech.
It was a terrible night for poor people, for the middle class, for seniors.
Who overwhelmingly voted for Trump.
Go fight, Jimmy.
Good truth and democracy and decency.
And it was a terrible night for everyone who voted against him.
And guess what?
It was a bad night for everyone who voted for him, too.
You just don't realize it.
You had a little too much to think there, middle class who voted overwhelmingly for Trump.
Do you think that they're finally losing whatever control they had over directing narratives and controlling public influence?
I mean, certainly they are.
But by the way, to your earlier question about which camp, let's say, would Jimmy fall in, I don't think he genuinely believes that stuff.
I mean, I think it's a combination of other factors.
In the deep recesses of his mind, he does know that it's full of shit.
There's no conceivable way.
Think of it this way.
Or it's a way for him to atone for some of the public...
Stuff that he had done in the past, the blackface, the coming from behind the wall.
Remember, like he's doing as if he's mounting someone.
I can't remember what it was.
And so one of the ways that I can atone for all of that vulgar stuff that I did in my youthful transgression is to now demonstrate that I truly am, as Thomas Sowell said, part of the anointed ones.
Go ahead.
No, that's an amazing observation because that's the similar pattern that I've noticed with Howard Stern, with all of those who were the biggest degenerates who are now trying to buy their way into the good graces of the political elite.
It's Angela Merkel, I think it was the grandparents who were Nazis.
What better way to demonstrate that I repudiate all of my grandparents'behaviors by now letting in with suicidal empathy millions of people from Muslim countries?
Surely I couldn't be a racist and bigot.
By the way, your grandparents eradicated Jews from Germany by you letting in millions of people who come from cultures that are defined by their Jew hatred.
Tell me how Jewish life is going to play out in Germany, dear Dr. Merkel.
Well, that was the ultimate irony for those who don't recall the Syrian refugee crisis in 2015.
And Merkel basically opened up the borders of all of Europe because there's free travel within the countries in Europe to Syrian refugees who typically are, for whatever the reason, people might think there's good reason, hostile to Jews.
And my remark at the time was a lot of people were saying it's the...
Making up for her Nazi history that she's overcompensating.
And I made the joke like, how the hell do you know?
If the one thing you want to do is get rid of the Jewry of Europe, what other means would you do it while trying to look benevolent while you do it?
And then lo and behold, it was such a great exercise in assimilation and immigration policies that you had to offer money to these Syrians to go back home and the refugees to go back home.
On that subject, we're going to come back and forth.
First of all, you don't feel...
Plug the book.
The new book is called Suicidal Empathy.
That's going to be within the title?
Do you have a title?
So that's the tentative title.
So it's a term that I coined to explain this orgiastic emotional malady.
And actually, I'll even tell you the background of how the book came to be.
So I had written, I had been using, and I coined that term, and I've been using it on all my social media.
Post where I demonstrated the various public policy decisions that are exemplars of suicidal empathy.
And then I get an email from one of the really big publishers, the executive editor, and he basically just said, he puts my tweet and he goes, looks like we found your next book.
Or something like that.
And so that's how it started.
And so we first communicated last April.
And I've been feverishly working on it since.
Because, you know, in a sense, I'm having a hard time putting an upper bound on how long the book's going to be.
Because every day I get sent 9,000.
I'm going to have to apply a stopping rule and say, okay, no more.
The book can't be more than 43,000 pages long.
I don't remember when the first time you used it was that I heard it, but I loved it and have been using it ever since.
And it's an amazing idea.
The idea is, in my mind, if you have a better example, you'll let me know.
That New York lady, the activist whose boyfriend gets stabbed to death on the streets at four in the morning in New York by a black guy who's having a mental health crisis.
And she literally shows more concern for the dude who just stabbed her boyfriend to death than for her boyfriend who is lying there bleeding to death on the ground because she wants to be understanding and sympathetic to the violent mentally ill murderer who just I'm like, this is insanity.
This is activism gone to the point of where you must kill me in order for me to show you how virtuous I am.
Exactly. So that is a great example.
I've got a million of those in the book.
I'll just give you one or two others that are well in line with the one that you just gave.
In 2013, a Norwegian man was sodomized, raped, by a Somali migrant.
The guy was caught.
He served a very minimal prison sentence because in Norway, it's all about, you know, Doing ceramics classes.
It's not nice to punish people.
And then when he finished his sentence, he was going to be deported back to Somalia.
The guy who was raped by him went public saying how awful he felt because now the Somali sodomizer was going to have a much less...
Promising future in Somalia than he would have in Norway.
Because if I am sodomized by a guy, the thing that I'm most concerned about is to ensure that he has an enriching future in the country where he sodomized me.
Now, can I offer the psychological, the framework for why the suicidal empathy happens?
Please, let me just ask you one question about that story.
Are we sure that the man was not wrongly convicted and that they were involved in an amorous relationship?
And I'm not even trying to be funny.
There's no world in which one would fear that their rapist being deported to their country of origin who raped them would be treated badly after rape and let alone that type of rape.
We know that it is a rape and we also know that the guy who was raped I mean, presents himself to the world as a staunch feminist and anti-racism ally.
And so, no, we know exactly that he holds those beliefs.
Let me offer, I mean, I want people to go out and buy the book, so don't think that by me offering you the theoretical framework, you've gotten the folk out.
You're doing the audiobook this time, correct, Gad?
Oh, it's so funny you said this.
I was just going through some details of the contract.
It's taken way longer for me to sign the contract.
They approached me, as I said, I think it was like last April.
And one of the clauses that I put, I mean, you're the lawyer, but you appreciate what happens when you're looking through a contract.
I said, you know, hey, guys.
The main criticism I received for my last two books, which is a pretty good thing, if those are the only recurring criticisms you're getting, is that people were super pissed off that the parasitic mind and the sad truth about happiness were not narrated in my own voice.
Can we at least put a clause that that is an option?
And so I just got back to the Vice Management and they added that in.
It should be obligatory because you have a, it's not that you have a good voice, you have a good voice as well, but a distinctive good voice.
It's sort of like, you know, listening to Alex Jones' book, I don't think, it was someone who had a sufficiently similar voice that it wasn't shocking or glaring, but you listened, your book was, nobody has a voice like you.
So, sorry, good, good clause, good addition.
And now what you were just about to say is...
I was going to tell you about a summary of the theoretical framework.
Of what drives suicidal empathy.
So let me step back a second and offer an analogy.
Take, for example, by the way, when you started, you said he's not a clinician.
In a technical sense, that's true.
But I'm now known, the moniker is I'm the global therapist to the world.
So while I don't hold a clinical license, effectively speaking, I am the head parasitologist of the world because I'm trying to resolve a...
Psychiatric malady at the group level.
What more can you want as a clinician?
But in any case, so joking aside, OCD, obsessive-compulsive disorder, is a condition...
By the way, I've written several academic papers on various psychiatric afflictions from an evolutionary perspective.
So I've done...
Munchausen syndrome by proxy.
That's where I then developed the theory in parasitic mind for the malady of collective Munchausen and collective Munchausen by proxy and transgenderism.
Munchausen by proxy and so on.
Well, actually, let me stop you on that.
That one's very important for people to appreciate, that the idea of this whole trans thing that parents impose on their children is a...
Munchausen syndrome by proxy is when a mother who wants the attention, the social adulation would make her kids sick, and everyone's like, oh, poor baby, you'll get all that social credit score and whatever because your kid is sick, and so when it's real, people feel it, and when they don't...
When it's not real, they get their kids sick so they can then feel it.
That is, apply it mutanus mutanus to parents who say, oh, my four-year-old is trans and I'm empowering his existence.
And everyone's like, oh, good for you.
Take to social media and put out videos.
The transgender Munchausen syndrome by proxy is an amazing insight connection to make.
Sorry, I wanted to highlight that.
Yeah, thank you.
I appreciate that.
Anybody who's interested in the original...
Scientific paper that I wrote, it's in, I think, 2010 in Medical Hypotheses.
It's a medical journal.
So I've also written paper, I'm only saying this not to give you my CV, but because it's relevant to my OCD explanation.
I've also written papers, psychiatric papers, on an evolutionary explanation of suicide, which you might imagine is a difficult concept to explain evolutionarily speaking, you're ending your life.
And I've also written a...
Evolutionary-based paper on sex differences in the symptomatology of OCD.
In other words, men and women are likely to exhibit sex differences in terms of the O's and the C's that they succumb to, and I argue that there's an evolutionary reason for that.
Okay, having said all that, so that gives you a sense of where my scientific, if you like, credentials come from to then be able to diagnose this.
Okay. So OCD actually has an evolutionary explanation.
And here is how it goes, and then I'll link it to suicidal empathy.
The idea that we should scan the world for environmental threats makes perfect evolutionary sense.
So, for example, if you and I are going out for a pizza and I notice that your nose is running and then you sneeze into your hand and you shake my hand, then it makes perfect evolutionary sense that I would have the reflex to say, hey, I'm going to go wash my hands before we have the pizza because it makes sense for me to have that repulsion.
The possibility of having germ contamination.
If I go to the back door and check that it is locked before we all turn in to bed, that makes perfect evolutionary sense.
The problem with OCD arises when that adaptive mechanism misfires by being hyperactive, right?
So the flag usually goes up.
I tend to it, the flag goes down, and then I go on with my day.
But if I spend eight hours in an infinite loop washing my hands in scalding hot water so that I don't make it to work and my skin is falling off, then that becomes a dysfunction.
It's a dysregulation of an otherwise adaptive process.
So having written a lot about this dysregulation...
Evolutionary dysregulation in my scientific work, that's how I had the insight, aha, that's what suicidal empathy is.
Empathy, when it is directed at the right people and in the right amounts, makes perfect evolutionary sense because we are a social species.
We have evolved certain positive emotions that allow us to...
If you like, lubricate our social bonds.
It makes sense for me to have theory of mind to put myself in your shoes when you are feeling pain.
That's a good empathetic reflex for me to have.
The problem arises when empathy is dysregulated.
And in this case, I mean, there are several ways that it misfires, one of which is it misfires to the wrong target.
So being empathetic to my solvent Salvadorian neighbors down south because they have a right to live the American dream, so much so that it supersedes the empathy that I should have for American veterans who lost their limbs defending my right to be an asshole.
Doesn't make sense.
That's dysregulated empathy.
So what I do in the book is I take many, many public policy decisions that have resulted in the full decay of the West, and I argue that At the root of each of these public policy mistakes is suicidal empathy.
Goddamn, that's going to be an international bestseller.
Again, as you say it, and I don't know if this is going to be already in your thought process, but not speaking from any personal experience with OCD, I've always found that there's ways in which it manifests, and one is...
Normal fear, like you say.
I was biking yesterday and I forgot it was daylight savings, and so biking at 6 is a lot darker than biking at 7. And I'm on a path.
I'm not worried about people now.
I'm worried about gators and panthers at sunset.
So you have the rational fear.
Then you have the irrational fear applied to the rational fear, which is just an over-exaggeration, over-emphasis of it.
You have the misfiring of it being on things that are not existential threats or the over-application of it from...
Like, wash your hands, but then if you also approach someone sneezing across the street as an existential threat, you're over-adapting, so to speak.
Or you're wearing a mask alone in your car in 2024.
It's so beautiful an analogy.
Hold on, I was taking notes in the email.
No, that was it.
The overemphasis on actual threats or applying it to non-threats and the suicidal...
Have you thought about this yet?
At some point, and I'm not trying to be funny because I think it's almost scary, the suicidal empathy goes from suicidal empathy to homicidal empathy, that they will actually start killing you for your own good?
Well, okay, and we can answer that either literally or figuratively.
Let's go figuratively, then literally.
Right. Figuratively, it already happens all the time, right?
I'm going to kill your career.
I'm going to kill your reputation.
I'm going to kill your prospects of ever being invited to the cool kids party.
So the homicide has already happened.
It hasn't happened though, literally.
Now, in other countries, I could literally kill you because I have the power.
Oh! Are you willing to accept Islam?
We're giving you the choice, so you're freely able to decide no.
Now, of course, because there are consequences in life, if you make the wrong choice by not accepting Islam, we're going to have to mercifully detach your head from the rest of your body, but that's done after we've given you the courtesy of choosing for yourself.
So, I don't think we're at the point today in the West...
Where you can orgiastically, literally engage in the homicide that you're talking about.
But boy, can we certainly do it figuratively in very painful ways.
And I don't know if you know of any historical analog.
What is the social, the threshold?
Like the percentage of social acceptance threshold?
When did it become, you know, when 5%, let's just go to the easy example that no one takes offense with, which is Nazi Germany.
5% of Germany is Nazis.
And they say, we've got these crazy ideas.
And it was like, okay, well, too bad.
We're not buying into it.
It's offensive.
There's a threshold at which not only do people start to give it some sort of credibility, but also at which they start to become fearful of it, where it starts taking hold.
What percentage?
That's actually...
I'm not trying to sound patronizing, but it's even a more intelligent question that you're already stating it.
Exactly. That's how smart you are.
That's what Laval University trained lawyers.
Well, no, I did my philosophy degree.
My thesis was called deontological consequentialism.
What? I knew that there was somewhat of a semblance of a brain in you.
I did four years of philosophy, honors degree at McGill.
Then I went to Laval for my law degree.
And I did one year exchange in Paris, which is why I did an extra year of McGill, because I wanted to get my honors degree, which required a cumulative GPA of above 3.0.
But my year in Paris was pass-fail, so it didn't count.
So I did another year of philosophy.
And I'm still, I'm trying to track down my thesis because when you talk about, you know, consequentialism versus Deontola, Kantian categorical imperatives.
Yes! And I sit there saying, whenever I hear someone say, it's okay to kill a baby if it means saving 10. And I'm saying, my reaction was always, it's never okay.
What you're basically just saying is I want to minimize the evil.
Because I think that the evil to be minimized is the killing.
So I'm going to kill one to prevent somebody else from killing 10. And my theory has always been you haven't minimized anything.
You've actually just maximized the aggregate evil because the other evil still exists.
But no, the question is like, socially, what is this?
Let me answer that in a technical way.
I mean, vulgarize to the masses.
By the way, a lot of people don't understand the word to vulgarize.
Which in French, as you know, is vulgariser.
And the reason why it came up to my...
Well, first, I'm a lover of words.
And I remember, I think it was my 2011 book, The Consuming Instinct.
The red book here, where is it?
Hold on, let me zoom out and then I'll see it.
Oh yeah, right over your shoulder here.
Yeah, on the...
No, the other way.
Yeah, that's a water.
No, that's your microphone.
I'm joking.
I think it might be covered up by your mic.
Okay, it doesn't matter.
It's the red one.
It's called The Consuming Instinct, What Juicy Burgers, Ferraris, Pornographies, and Gift-Giving Reveal About Human Nature.
It was a book.
It was a trade book meant to demonstrate how you could apply evolutionary psychology and evolutionary biology to study our consuming instinct.
What does a trade book mean?
Oh, that's a great question.
So there are different classes.
So let's take the one that most of your viewers and listeners would know, a textbook.
A textbook is a book that's written as a pedagogic exercise to be sold to university students.
So let's say you were taking a course in Philosophy 101.
I'll write a textbook that hopefully...
Professors that are teaching this course will adopt throughout Canada and North America.
So that's called a textbook.
An academic book, which is very different from a textbook, is a very technical book that's written for other academics and graduate students and so on.
So it's not meant for Philosophy 101.
It's meant for practicing philosophers.
Now, academic books...
If they sell a thousand copies, that would be considered a hugely successful book because they have very, very limited market.
It'll be university libraries that will purchase them, you know, specialists in the field and so on.
So my first couple of books were academic books because I was trying to lay my flag on the, you know, having pioneered the field of evolutionary consumer psychology and so on, okay?
So this, which book is it?
I think it's...
Okay, there you go.
This book right here, that's called The Evolutionary Basis of Consumption.
That was my first book, and it's very, very technical.
I mean, it could still be read by non-professionals, but it's a very scientific academic book.
Okay, so that's The Evolutionary Basis of Consumption.
Then here, I have an...
Oh, no, this way.
Here I've got an edited book, which I'll also explain what that is.
That's called Evolutionary Psychology in the Business Sciences.
It's an academic book, but it's edited in that different chapters are written by different specialists, and I serve as the editor of the entire compendium.
And I usually will write an intro and an opening chapter and so on.
So these two books are academic books, okay?
So they will have a much smaller distribution.
Even though, I mean, these were actually very successful by any standard, okay?
Then the next one, this one, so to answer your question, this one was my first trade book, The Consuming Instinct.
Now, what I was trying to do there, so to answer your question, what is a trade book?
A trade book is meant for the masses.
It's meant to be read by as many people as possible.
It's what you will see.
At Barnes& Noble and at Indigo and so on.
It's not for the specialists.
It's not for students.
It's for the general reader.
And so, as you might imagine, many professors can be very successful as academic writers, but dreadfully bad as trade authors.
Why? Because they don't know how to speak in a voice that would be appealing to the general masses.
Okay? So now coming back to...
Thank you for asking.
I think this is the first time that I've ever on a show explained the difference between different types of books.
And I love the fact that you describe it as appealing to the masses as opposed to what I suspect most would describe it as, as dumbing it down for the masses.
Exactly. Yes.
Don't top down to people.
You know, I recently had a chat with Rob Schneider, the actor, who's just a delightful...
He's amazing.
He's amazing.
I mean, just like you want to hug this guy, okay?
And... I think it was maybe towards the end of the show, he said some really sweet things to me.
He goes, you know, there's a lot of us in Hollywood, whatever, that are huge fans of yours.
And what one always walks away when they hear you speak or read your stuff is you're never talking down to us.
And that really touched me because I think that that's one of the...
I know it's gauche to speak about oneself, but one of the things that I most appreciate about my engagement with the public is that I really...
Take pleasure in having the corrections officer and the trucker write me a fan email.
Because if my voice is resonating with him, then I'm doing something right.
It's a no-brainer that the Stanford professor might write to me and say, hey, I loved your last paper on whatever.
That's my job.
That's what I do.
But the fact that the trucker says, oh my God, I was listening to you in Viva and I decided that I'm going to go back to school because you motivated me to study psychology.
Well, now...
I think I've done a really good thing.
And when you say it out loud like that, it's the exact problem with, not with academia in and of itself, but with experts in general, is people generally want to make their own decisions, so give me the info and then let me decide, whereas most look down and say, no, I'm going to tell you what to do and don't even ask me when it came to, like, COVID, for example, was the prime example.
We're not explaining it to you, you're not able to understand, shut up and do what we say, versus...
Here are the pros and cons, the risks, and you make your own decision.
It's a form of control and not a form of education.
Exactly right.
So, coming back to the term vulgarization, so when I was communicating with my editor for The Consuming Instinct, which was going to be my first trade book, I used the term...
I think it was maybe during when we were coming up with sort of the taglines for my media, whatever.
I said, well, you know, the book is an attempt to vulgarize evolutionary psychology.
And she said, oh, don't use the word vulgarize with the American audience.
I said, why not?
It's a beautiful, it's a nice one.
She goes, no, say popularize and so on.
And that always was annoying to me because...
It's exactly what the word is meant to say, which is to make something accessible to the masses.
Anyways, I don't know why I said that.
What was the trade book?
You were talking about your first trade book, and I think you were getting into the latest trade book.
So the first trade book was The Consuming Instinct.
The next trade book was The Parasitic Mind.
The next trade book...
Was the sad truth about happiness.
Yeah, that one is right over your shoulder there.
Right there.
And then the next one is suicidal empathy.
Now, to our earlier point about, you know, don't tell people what to do when you said that a minute or two ago.
Actually, that was one of my biggest challenges when I was working on the happiness book.
And let me explain.
I mean, that story in of itself is really fascinating.
When you study decision-making, there are different ways that you could study psychology of decision-making.
You could study it from a normative perspective.
Bear with me.
Is it okay if we get a tiny bit?
No, please.
Go. So normative decision-making is, for example, the classical school of economics, say, at University of Chicago, where many of the Nobel Prizes come from, they adhere to a view of...
Decision-making that's called homo economicus.
Homo economicus is this ultra-rational being that adheres to axioms of rational choice.
Example, if I prefer car A to car B and I prefer car B to car C, it must be...
That I prefer car A to car C. It's called the transitivity axiom.
It's transitive.
If A is bigger than B and B is bigger than C, then A must be greater than C. So they take those axioms of rational choice and they say that anyone who violates those is behaving irrationally.
Now that's called normative decision making because you're saying that you have to adhere to a norm, a norm of rationality.
Holy shit, I'm doing a full academic lecture here.
I should be charging all the assholes watching.
I'm writing down questions.
Exactly. And to everybody who's watching, yes, this will be on the final exam.
All right, let's go on.
So that's normative decision-making.
Descriptive decision-making is studying decision-making to solve optimization problems.
And hence, you're prescribing an optimal path of decision-making.
This is actually, like, I literally have thought about creating these lectures and charging people money.
Yeah, they're masterclasses.
There's no reason why you shouldn't be doing it.
I know, I know.
I'm such an idiot.
Well, there's only so much time in the day, but...
Exactly. But, by the way, one of the bifurcations in the road that I'm currently facing is...
I am an academic through and through.
It's in my DNA.
But if I now have to, you know, poll people about their gender pronouns in the morning, which, of course, I don't do.
There's an element of academia that's becoming very, very costly to me so that the thought has crossed my mind, is it time for me to step aside?
Now, if that were to happen, then it would allow me to set up those masterclasses.
And you've been one of the ones who's been most strongly and feverishly telling me, sign up for this, set up, paywall.
You're probably the one who's most been doing that.
And to my great shame...
Because I'm a moron.
I still haven't done a lot of that stuff.
Well, I mean, not to say it hasn't gotten bad enough for you.
I don't want to besmirch where you work because I don't want to get you into trouble through association, but not to say it hasn't gotten bad enough because I think it's gotten way worse than anybody even knows as to how bad it is where you can't safely go on the campus where you teach and you have to teach remotely and you have to worry about security.
I think it's gotten bad enough where you will see the writing on the wall, but it takes some time to cash out.
And that's one of the reasons why it was a godsend, frankly, that I got this position at Northwood University.
They're very much into freedom of inquiry, freedom of speech, free enterprise, economic freedom.
And so their president reached out to me and said, look, we're big fans of yours.
We're ready to make you a permanent offer.
I was a bit tentative about that only because at the time I was in California with my family for five weeks.
So I wasn't ready to, you know, change my life without at least trying it.
So we decided we agreed to do a one-year leave.
My university was kind enough to grant me the one-year leave.
And so, at least for the next...
Look, I'll say what I think.
They want you out.
And if they can get you out without a fight, hey, Dad, go take a vacation.
Yeah, you can come back to your job.
As I said kindly, I also had a little smirk because I realized that, boy...
Why is Gadsad being so diplomatic?
But yes, there you go.
That's my...
If anybody doesn't appreciate the dynamic, Gad takes a lot of flack for his writings and statements on Islam.
He teaches at Concordia University, which has been historically one of the most radical universities back when I was in 2000.
They were protesting...
It's a thousand times worse now.
Yeah, I can only imagine.
Hold on, this dog's about to get out of here.
Get up.
Go, go, go.
Get up.
Oh. Oh.
Speaking of...
Evolutionary biology.
How many paralyzed dogs would have survived in the nature?
I look at that dog every day.
It's like, my goodness.
By the way, there is, though, an evolutionary explanation for why we are so bonded to our pets.
And I actually discuss it briefly in The Consuming Instinct, in the Red Book that I showed up.
I have a theory.
They're wonderful.
They keep us...
They keep us, you know, company.
And if things get really bad, you can kill them and eat them.
So it's ba-da-bing, ba-da-boom.
I'm joking, everybody.
Yeah. You mentioned something.
The A is greater than B. Or, sorry, A is greater than B. No, A is greater than B. B is greater than C. Therefore, A is greater than C. That works on an objective level.
Like, that's logic 101.
I said everybody should always take a philosophy 101 logic because they teach you that.
Then I realized, as you say it...
It doesn't apply to things that are subjective.
Like, I like Billy Madison is better than Happy Gilmore.
Dumb and Dumber is better than Billy Madison.
But I don't necessarily like Dumb and Dumber more than Happy Gilmore.
Okay, well, you just described a Nobel Prize winning studies.
So let me see.
Okay, so hold on.
I just described normative decision-making, and I was on my way to describing prescriptive, but let's pause prescriptive for a second so I can answer what you just said.
So my doctoral training, my official PhD is in...
Psychology of decision-making.
Specifically, my doctoral dissertation was on looking at the following problem.
When is it that we have acquired enough information about competing alternatives for us to stop acquiring additional information and make a choice?
So, for example, if I'm choosing between two cars, I could look up 50 attributes on the two cars, but most of us don't do that.
Instead, we look at enough information that at some point my brain says, I've now seen enough to buy CAR-A.
So what I was trying to do in my doctoral dissertation is study the stopping decisions of information search, which could then be applied to anything.
So when people write to me and say, oh, but you study marketing.
I mean, there's almost never a mention of the word marketing in my doctoral dissertation.
It just so happened that I can then apply it to consumer behavior, hence marketing.
But the fundamental doctorate, the fundamental problem that I was studying applies to mate choice.
It applies to employee selection.
It applies to should I stay in a marriage or leave the marriage?
So it applies to any process that involves the iterative acquisition of information.
And when do I stop?
Are you with me?
This is a good conversation.
Speaking of killing the dog, now the dog wants to come back in the room.
All right.
From an evolutionary perspective, I'm probably the stupid one for just not leaving the door open at a given point in time.
I'm leaving the door open now, people.
I know my wife and kid are not here, so I'll have some quiet.
Okay. All right.
Let's go on.
So my doctoral work...
Was in the area of behavioral decision-making.
And the gurus of that field are two Jews.
They're Jews.
Amos Tversky and Daniel Kahneman, two Israeli psychologists who then moved to North America.
They were lifelong friends and colleagues.
And what they did...
To your point about I prefer Gilmore, but whatever violation you said, the first paper that Tversky published in 1969 was with my doctoral supervisor, Jay Russo, who did his PhD in cognitive psychology at University of Michigan.
Now, Tversky and Kahneman demonstrated that many of the axioms of rational choice that classical economists tell us we should adhere to We don't.
And so they won the Nobel Prize in Economics for demonstrating that economists are full of shit.
And that idea being, they've already made up their mind as to what they want to get, and so they will fit into the preferences, the way to get there?
No, no.
It's that the economist has a very restrained, axiomatic view of how human cognition should operate.
It should be hypercomputational, hyperrational, but human minds don't work that way.
They don't adhere to this orgiastic form of hyperrationalism.
So what Kahneman and Tversky did is go through all of those axioms of rationality and demonstrate that we violate them all the time.
And so they designed many Astoundingly clever experiments to show, to your Gilmore story, that we don't do all the things that these economists tell us in La La Land that we should be doing.
Now, I say they won the Nobel Prize.
That's technically incorrect because Kahneman won it for work that he did with Tversky.
Tversky didn't win it because he had unfortunately passed away and you can't win it posthumously.
Officially, it's only Kahneman who won it, but it's really Kahneman and Tversky, okay?
Now, so that's the normative decision-making, okay?
Prescriptive decision-making, as I mentioned earlier, is prescribing how you ought to optimize something.
And I know that sounds like fancy.
Give me a concrete example.
Take, for example, a classic problem known as the traveling salesman problem.
You have a salesman who has to visit Ten cities.
He's going to start in city A. He has to return to city A, and he has to visit each city once.
In what order should the path be as to minimize the cost of travel?
That turns out to be an easy problem if you've only got three cities.
You could manually try all three and then calculate which is the optimal one.
When I give you 13 cities, you're going to be spending until the next 4 billion years to calculate all the permutations and combinations.
So the field, the mathematics field that solves those problems algorithmically is called operations research.
I have two masters.
In my first masters, I did a mini-thesis in operations research, which is this optimization field.
Now, why is it called prescriptive decision-making?
Because you're trying to prescribe some optimal behavior.
If you wish to reduce the travel cost, this is the order in which you should visit those cities.
Are you with me?
Yep. So, first approach to decision-making, normative.
Second approach?
Prescriptive. Third approach, descriptive.
Descriptive simply says, describe how people actually make decisions.
I'm not trying to find some normative way of behaving.
I'm not trying to prescribe some optimal way of behaving.
When you decide you want to buy a car, let's study the cognitive processes by which you arrive at choosing the car or marrying that girl or voting for Trump or Kamala and so on.
And so for much of my career, As a psychologist, as a behavioral scientist, I existed in descriptive world.
I'm trying to develop theories that describe actual decision-making behavior.
Why am I talking about all this?
Because I'm going to link it back now to the challenge that I had when I was writing the happiness book.
Now, when you're writing a happiness book, by definition, this is going to involve some prescription.
Here is what you ought to do to lead a happy life.
And I had always been very epistemologically suspicious of the people who stand as gurus and lecture to the rest of us what to do.
And being the very, very careful professor and scientist that I am, I wanted to make sure to tell my readers that I am not offering you The incontrovertible recipe for happiness.
Rather, spoken like a real academic, life is a game of managing statistical probabilities.
I'm going to give you some prescriptions, which if you apply them, increase the probability of you summiting Mount Happiness.
So look at the difference between how carefully I just...
He positioned that book to how, to your point, everybody who was much smarter than you told you, shut up.
You don't walk your dog after 8 o'clock because that's settled science.
Shut up, pleb.
So those were exactly who the fascists were, and it turns out that they weren't part of the Republicans.
Many of them are super progressive professors, leftist professors.
The correlation between progressivism and...
And fascism or tyranny, or at least, I don't know what the proper word is for it, but like, Karenism.
Progressivism and Karenism, people who just tell you what to do and shame you when you disagree with them.
I find it's almost a direct overlay.
It's a one-circle Venn diagram.
Progressives and Karenists who...
By the way, I have a student who regrettably has disappeared.
Often what happens when you have...
MSc students who are doing theses with you or PhD students, it's the first time in their lives where they're now tasked with creating knowledge rather than just absorbing knowledge from a classroom.
And so oftentimes, regrettably, Even though students might be very bright, they get sucked into a black hole and they never resurface from.
And so I've had very, very bright students who wanted to work with me under my tutelage that never ended up finishing their degrees.
And I'm not the one who will call you every day, say, what are you doing today?
I mean, you're an adult.
You also have to have the personal agency to get your work done.
In any case, that one particular student, I had proposed the following.
Thesis topic to him, and he was very keen to do it.
It very much related to your working hypothesis, which is, for example, can we identify morphological signatures of people's political orientations?
So this is not quite Karenism, although it is, in a sense, because there is a morphological exemplar of the woman that...
That looks like a Karen.
You follow what I'm saying?
Oh, yeah.
I'm just trademarking Karenism right now here.
Boom. Karenism is trademarked, peeps.
I'm joking.
Actually, it is the first time that I've heard it used with the ism part.
Because it sounds like communism, but it's Karenism.
It's Karenism, exactly.
So anyways, I hope that that particular student resurfaces because we had already started to collect the data and it's very, very powerful data because it's taking a lot of...
A lot of the elements that I discuss in the parasitic mind and is testing some really cool empirical hypotheses.
So hopefully, if that student is watching, call me.
I don't know where you've disappeared to, but it's time to come home.
But why was I mentioning that?
It was about the decision-making process.
Yeah, that's right.
So I think I finished that story.
So all I was saying is that the challenge for me when writing happiness book...
Was that I was now entering into a world that I heretofore had not entered, which was prescriptive world, right?
All of my other work is, let me explain to you the evolutionary reasons for why we do X, Y, Z. I'm describing behavior under some parsimonious theoretical framework.
Happiness was a completely different endeavor.
Yes, I'm going to use...
Ancient wisdoms.
I'm going to use contemporary science.
I'm going to use my personal life trajectory to offer you some prescriptions of how to live a happy life.
But at first, I was very hesitant to do so because I thought, you know, I don't want anybody to think that it is an assured guarantee recipe.
I can analogize it to golf where a professional might never get a hole in one, but the better you...
The more likely it is you get your ball within a certain vicinity.
Don't cheat on your wife.
You might still get divorced, but cheat on your wife and you are increasing the odds of getting divorced and murdered and not necessarily in that order.
I don't want to get to the punchline of what suicidal empathy is going to be.
Actually, I want to know how it ends.
America is a good litmus test for the world right now.
I think it might have gone singularly crazy, but then I sort of looked to Europe and Europe has gone crazy as well in terms of a same type of Karenism, in terms of speech, in terms of government overreach.
Where do you see things going?
And then I actually want to talk a bit about Canada while we're here.
Sure. I mean, right now I'm not feeling great.
I'm certainly feeling better than I did Tuesday morning, right?
Because at least by Trump winning...
You are going to have some autocorrective mechanisms that will swing things in the right direction.
But I keep warning people.
I've already done, since Tuesday, several shows, and I keep repeating the following point, which I'm happy to repeat here.
Don't now be complacent, sit back and say the problem is solved, Trump is here.
Because Trump will come in and Trump will leave.
And someone else might come along who is also a Trump guy, J.D. Vance.
But if you don't eradicate the parasitic ideas and the suicidal empathy that has taken 50 to 100 years to flourish and proliferate, then it's just, in French you say, parti remise, right?
It'll come back.
Even maybe stronger than ever before, right?
Remember, when you take an antibiotic, if you don't kill all of the bacteria, the ones that remain, it's a form of evolutionary selection.
That's how you develop the evolution of the superbug.
So if you don't eradicate this nonsense...
It'll come back even more orgiastically nasty in some future iteration.
So, yes, celebrate that Trump won, but don't sit back on your couch and eat potato chips all day.
There's still a lot of work to be done.
That analogy, actually, of why the doctors say take the antibiotics, even if you feel better, because if you don't, it comes back stronger and more resistant to antibiotics.
That's an amazing idea.
The superbug to the parasitic mind.
I'm giving you a lot of stuff from Suicidal Empathy.
It's genius, Gad, but you know that already.
My personal dilemma is Trump won and everybody can celebrate, but I don't think that I'm done yet mocking into oblivion everyone and publicly shaming those who were the most arrogant.
Pompous pricks on earth.
The Michael Cohens of the world.
The Cardi B's of the world.
The ones who thought they could brow people into submission.
Because they need to be mocked and humiliated.
And basically, not disavowed, but shunned into irrelevance.
I had on a guy named Richard Barris yesterday, who's the best pollster out there.
And I said, with Trump's victory, is it unique to Trump or is it sort of party-wide?
It was a stupid question as I started asking.
And he's like, no, it's Trump.
It's the character.
It's the person that people love.
And Trumpism, which could be when Trump comes and goes in four years, it could be someone else who has to fill in that Trumpism.
Whether or not it's J.D. Vance, we'll find out as things evolve.
But it's true.
If Trump comes and goes and it's a flash in the pan, then it's a big victory, but short-lived.
100%. And if I can draw an analogy, I was recently approached by someone, I won't give the details, I don't give them away, who said, and this has happened to me many times in the past, but someone says, you know, I'm such a fan and all kinds of compliments, and then there's a but, so I'm waiting for the but.
But do you not think that when you do the pink wig, it affects your, you know...
Legitimacy as a professor.
Or when you hide under...
And I look at them, I say, you exactly don't get it.
I mean, it couldn't be any clearer that you need to consume more of my content.
It is precisely because of the unique set of skills that I have that I'm able to be this effective.
I just spent quite a bit of time being...
About as professorial as you can get, right?
So no one is going to outrank me on professorial status.
That doesn't remove the fact that I can act like a buffoon in the service of trying to persuade you.
Precisely because I have enough authenticity and self-confidence to know that it doesn't diminish me by putting on the wig.
It's precisely because I am 18 feet tall, metaphorically speaking, that I can wear the wig.
Now, to draw an analogy with Trump, it's the exact same thing.
If he were more stately a la Romney, and if he were more kind a la pick your other presidential guy, his voice would have never resonated.
You need him to be exactly who he has to show up in the garbage truck for it to work and for him to win on Tuesday.
We don't even know this, but our thoughts must have been the same at a given point in time.
Just recently, because I have the discussion with my father who follows me on Twitter.
He's like, David, do you have to swear so much?
First of all, there's an element of not getting attention, but getting people to focus on something.
You can be polite as you want and have a great message.
A, no one's going to hear it, and good for having a good message that no one hears.
B, You'll still get demonized.
You could never wear the pink wig.
You could never do the satire.
You'll still get derision because of what you say.
Strategically, there's no reason not to.
On the other hand, it is the level of honesty.
I was thinking, Trump's in power.
If I ever got the call, Viva, would you be the press secretary?
And for a second, I'm thinking, ugh, my tweets are too much of a liability.
And then I'm thinking, no, my tweets are an indication that you'll get respect, but if you pull a Jim Acosta, I will berate you and tell you to stop being an idiot and sit down and give the mic up to the next real journalist.
Absolutely. You've justified all of my bad conduct, Gad.
I hope you should feel proud of yourself.
Listen, authenticity...
Is the whole ballgame, right?
I mean, I actually, in the happiness book, I have a whole section on authenticity.
Now, there are two layers of authenticity.
There is personal authenticity.
You know, is Trump authentic?
Is Gad Saad?
Is Viva authentic?
But there's also existential authenticity, meaning, so I was talking about this in the context of living your life so that hopefully at the end of your life, you have as few regrets as possible.
And there I was arguing, if you live a life of existential authenticity, then you are protecting yourself against that.
And by the way, and I'm not saying this just because I'm on your show, you perfectly exemplify that which I tell people to do, which is you did become a lawyer and I think you were the editor of the Law Review.
So you had all of the credentials and all the things and you went to a top law firm and then you looked.
At one point in the proverbial mirror.
And you said, that's not what I want to do.
And very few people are going to say, you know what I'm going to do?
I'm going to go to philosophy degree at McGill.
I'm going to do law school.
I'm going to become the law review guy.
I'm going to go to a law top firm.
And then I'm going to drop all that so I can do balloons with ice.
What is that thing you did?
The Impimbo effect.
Amazing. Right.
And that's what I'm going to do.
I'm sure your parents came very close to disowning the good Jewish boy.
But guess what?
Who won at the end?
By you living an authentic life, an existential authentic life, I'm sure you've been able to flourish in ways that you could have never imagined had you continued.
So don't become a pediatrician because your dad and your mom are pediatricians and they expect that of you because you will wake up at 60 and say, I always wanted to be an architect and now my life is gone and it's too late.
And by the way, the ancient Greeks and the Delphic maxim of Know thyself.
It's just two words.
Know thyself has stood the test of time because it is universal and since time immemorial.
Amazing. So what is your, if I may ask, the situation with Northwood University?
Yes. Thank you so much for asking.
So Northwood reached out to me.
By the way, the president of, I don't know what it is, their entire, not their entire, but quite a few of their senior staff are Canadians.
So Northwood University is a university in Midland, Michigan.
Midland is...
I'd never heard of it.
It is gorgeous.
Now, there is a reason why it's so gorgeous.
It's because this is where the headquarters, the global headquarters of Dow Chemicals is in Midland.
And so they've poured in billions of dollars to this town, precisely because if you're going to bring a top chemist from Zurich to rural Michigan...
You need to have culture.
You need to have a, you know, a sushi place and you need to have cafes.
So when I first went there, my inaugural visit earlier this semester.
And my wife came with me.
I was concerned, like, is it going to be like, you know, crystal meth labs everywhere?
And it is gorgeous, beautiful downtown, cafes and restaurants and, you know, cool.
It's beautiful.
The campus is beautiful.
Northwood University is, interestingly, it follows the European model of les grandes écoles.
Les grandes écoles is...
These are the schools that are focused on only one thing.
So for example, Sciences Po for the future political leaders.
All the business schools are usually separate schools.
They're just business schools.
So Northwood University is really a big, gigantic business school that's completely rooted in all of the freedom ethos that you could think of.
So the president reached out to me in...
The summer, when I had put out of office for five weeks, I'm not answering anybody.
And he knew of some of my difficulties at Concordia.
They were all big fans of my work.
And luckily, I violated my edict to not check my emails.
And so I had this long email from this guy that I'd never heard of, who had been the president of St. Francis Xavier in Canada.
And he reached out.
He said, hey, can we talk?
We'd love to have you join our family.
And since then, it has been one of the most...
It's not like I'm being paid to say this, right?
I mean, I wouldn't have said it.
I'm very authentic.
He's a gem.
I mean, if all academic presidents were like Kent McDonald, there would be no problem in academia.
Okay? His whole team is unbelievable.
They've given me complete freedom to do things as I please.
I'm teaching two courses in spring.
But otherwise, so that my title is visiting professor and global ambassador.
The global ambassador part is to promote the school, right?
Is to use my platform.
Look, there are 4,000 universities in the United States.
So a classic marketing problem is how do you differentiate yourself?
How do you break out of the clutter?
And so hopefully I could contribute to, you know, breaking them out of the clutter.
And I think so far it's been very, very fruitful.
A lot of people have gotten to know Northwood.
Via my intervention.
So I've got nothing but unbelievable things to say about that place.
It's amazing.
And the best marketing on earth is to have someone who people trust, love, who is what they call woke or based.
Not woke.
Sorry. Anti-woke and based.
Whatever the words are, people.
You know who...
Yeah, yeah.
I get it.
It's a university that would bring on a Gadsad and not suppress a Gadsad.
It's a university where I, as a parent, would want to send my kids without a question.
And I've got nothing to do with...
The university.
So it's fantastic.
Do you have another 15 minutes?
Let's do it.
It's impossible to be satiated of you, man.
No, no.
I got questions I don't want to neglect.
So everyone on YouTube, come over to Rumble and I'm going to get to some questions and local stuff in a second.
I'm just going to end it on YouTube.
It changes nothing from our end, but it's the Q&A after party.
I could go all afternoon, but I don't want to be selfish.
Trump's victory may have staved off the implementation of a U.S. MAID program for at least the next four years, hopefully permanently.
MAID, this is the...
Okay, yeah.
I mean...
We'll get into Canada in a second.
I'll go to locals here.
We got in the tipped question.
It was, ask Gadd.
Viva, what does Dr. Gadd said think?
No, so one of the good things that I do is I'm epistemologically humble.
When I know, I know.
When I don't, I don't.
I don't know enough about this, so I'm not going to wing it.
No, and anyone who's lived on the internet knows for long enough.
You venture off to where you don't know the answer.
That answer never leaves the internet, so you will forever be humiliated.
What did I say that was stupid recently?
They're not really stupid.
Gadzad is not the sexiest man on Earth.
Well, I didn't tell that to my wife.
I told my wife he's the second sexiest man on Earth.
So we got Bill Brown here.
Viva, what does Gadzad think of...
That last question was from Roosteng over in our local community.
Viva, what does Gadzad think of the book The Camp of the Saints by Jean Raspail?
Do you know who that is?
I don't.
Well, I say Gene Raspail.
The Camp of the Saints.
I don't know.
I'll check it out.
Thank you.
The Camp of the Saints.
By the way, you can't see because the camera is not placed.
I'm in a study where, you know the show Hoarders?
It's not dirty or anything, but if I sneeze, no.
If I sneeze, there will be an avalanche of books that will bury me.
Are you in...
I don't want to ask where you're located.
Are you in Canada now?
Yes, I am.
Because the position that I have with Northwood allows me to commute.
So right now I am in Canada, but then I also try to go back to the Michigan campus once in a while.
All right.
And Sammy over here says, watching the mainstream media label a whole population as uneducated while also demanding student loan forgiveness because college grads can't find jobs that pay well enough to cover their loans is peak irony.
Truly the cell phone of the year French kiss.
And let me see if we've got another one here.
If you'll allow me the boldness, Dr. said, Viva never had the upper six inches or the lower five inches, if that.
Okay, I'll get to more questions in a second.
See, the dog goes out.
I open the door.
She finds garbage.
I'm going to let her eat it.
That's it.
Natural selection.
15-year-old dog.
Paralyzed. We'll eat herself to death.
She won't, people.
It's a plastic paper bag.
Gap, what's going on in Canada?
I don't know how much you're following the Calistani government crisis.
I mean, only that it happened, but not all the details.
I mean, I can certainly comment about the...
Protesting in the streets?
Certainly the...
Look, for about 20...
More than 20 years now, I have been standing on top of the mountain screaming that all the things that you're saying are going to happen.
And for those who don't, I mean, everybody knows you fled Lebanon, the civil war in Lebanon, and now people think it can never happen here and not to be hyperbolic.
We're not, we're far off, but in the same direction.
Oh, actually, I'm going to tell you again.
Remember, I mentioned earlier that we learn.
And we're captured by vivid storytelling.
So let me answer what you just said via two quick stories that close the loop.
Get ready.
So in Chapter 1 of The Parasitic Mind, I tell the story of growing up in Lebanon as a Jew, one of the last remaining Jewish families in Lebanon.
And I tell the story of the day that we escaped Lebanon.
I mean, literally, we flew out.
The pilot of our plane announced that we had now left Lebanese airspace.
And so my mother takes out a pendant with Star of David, and she puts it around my neck, and she says, now you can wear this, be proud of who you are, and not have to hide your identity.
So now remember that story.
Now fast forward to about two weeks after October 7th.
I'm working at a cafe on my laptop.
Actually, at the same cafe where you wrote to me earlier today, say, hey, do you want to do a live stream today?
So I'm working at that cafe.
My wife comes to pick me up with one of our children.
And that particular child, my son, had just played a soccer match in the east end of Montreal.
And as we got into the car, he looks at me.
By the way, he's almost the exact same age.
As I was with the original Star of David story, okay?
From 1975, end of 75. So he looks at me, he goes, Daddy, if you had come to watch me play soccer where I did today, and you were wearing a Star of David, you'd be dead.
And then I right away tweeted it.
And then later I said, oh, I'm going to now call it the Circle of Life of the Star of David.
1975. I leave Lebanon.
I can wear a Star of David.
2023, you better not wear a Star of David in Montreal.
We've come full circle.
Oh, the irony of life.
And so that captures the essence of what's happening in Montreal.
Now, does that mean that every Jew who's going to synagogue tomorrow is going to be worried that they're going to be exterminated?
Of course not, right?
But these things happen in line with the famous boiling frog parable, right?
It's bit by bit, bit by bit, and then it picks up, and then Jews disappear magically.
And Christians disappear magically.
I'm talking now, let's say, in the Middle East, right?
Each of the countries in the Middle East, well, not just the Middle East, anywhere, there are 56 countries that are part of the Islamic Organization, OIC, Organization of Islamic Cooperation.
There are 56 countries, plus the Palestinian territories.
Each of those societies was, once upon a time, 0% Islamic.
Zero, not one.
And then you fast forward.
Sometimes it takes five years.
Sometimes it takes 500 years.
But you fast forward enough and you now have zero non-Islam.
How did that happen?
Well, it happens through a set of processes, sometimes very violent, sometimes less so, sometimes through dimmi practices, which are these kind of third class.
citizen laws that they impose on people so that they leave or convert there are all sorts of mechanisms I can use to purify my society so it only becomes Islamic well Well, Canada in general, and Montreal in particular, is really galloping on the horse on that front.
I've been warning people for 20 plus years.
A lot of people are starting to come around now and say, oh my God, I should have listened to you 18 years ago.
And I fear that...
It's too late.
It's too late in that once you have enough people who don't share your foundational values, the cat's out of the bag.
So you could stop immigration, but if you have 3 million people who despise Jews in your country, what happens to Jew hatred?
Is it going to go up or going to go down?
So people are scratching their heads and what's the mechanism that explains the Jew hatred?
Well, it's not that difficult, right?
If I don't...
If I don't exercise for six months and I eat french fries all day, it doesn't take an epidemiological nutritional study to predict that my weight will go up.
So if I let in millions of people from societies where if you survey the people of those societies, as Pew surveyed it, and they show that 95 to 99 percent of the surveyed people have endemic Jew hatred.
What do you think is going to happen to that society?
So that's where we are in Canada.
And I know there's going to be people out there who either fall to you or say that you have not blinders on but a specific focus on Islam and Judaism.
And I'll say on the one hand, that's your life experience and it's going to explain why, first of all, you live as a Jew and as a critic of radical Islam or Islam, however people want to call it.
That'll be your focus.
I look at it on the one hand.
I say, I see that.
I mean, I'm a...
Not a particularly practicing Jew, but born Jewish, and no one will ever let me forget it, and it'll never change.
And then I hear my friends up in Canada saying, oh my goodness, there's harassment outside of synagogues, and yet I'm going to go ahead and attack Donald Trump instead of focusing on where my problems lie with this current administration.
The conflict, that conflict is one thing, but you look at a country like Canada, where Trudeau has just opened the borders to rival...
Opposing, you know, conflicted cultures across the world.
And low and low, now you have Kalistani, you know, people fighting among whoever it is that they have the problems with up in wherever in the world.
You import willy-nilly without any verification, let's say, culturally conflicting classes of people and then wonder why things go south.
It's to the point where now you have Trudeau saying...
We've got a problem with too much immigration.
We're going to shut the borders down and punish universities for bringing in too many foreign students and punish enterprise for hiring too many cheap labors.
It's madness.
My underlying theory about all of this, and it's looping it all together, is that this vitriolic, brainwashed hatred towards Trump is nothing but...
You'd call it a psyop or some sort of manipulation to distract from their own problems.
Trudeau would love to look at Trump and vilify another boogeyman so that nobody looks at him and understands you've got bigger problems at home.
I mean, maybe, maybe that might explain Trudeau's behavior, but it doesn't explain 95% of the people in my writing.
Many of whom are Jewish and many of whom will share the exact same animus toward Trump and the same animus towards the Conservative Party when it would be in their best interest to not exhibit those positions.
That's precisely why the parasitic mind turned out to be the success that it was, because that is the mechanism that explains it.
And let me, again, for those of you who...
Who may not be familiar enough with the parasitic mind.
Let me explain the neuroparasitology analogy.
Take, for example, a wood cricket.
An actual cricket.
It's called a wood cricket.
The wood cricket abhors water.
It wants nothing to do with water.
If it is parasitized by a neuroparasite called a hairworm, the hairworm needs the wood cricket to jump into water.
Because it needs it to complete its reproductive cycle.
Hence, that's why it's parasitic.
It's to the detriment of the host.
It will alter the neuronal circuitry of the wood cricket, which naturally says, I want no part in water.
And now it merrily jumps into water, committing suicide to the benefit of the parasite.
How I had the insight of aha, I will now draw the exact same framework for instead of a physical hairworm, it's an ideological hairworm.
So therefore, the Jew who walks around saying...
I feel unsafe in Canada.
I feel unsafe.
They're attacking Jews.
Let me vote for the party that caused the hatred towards Jews because I'm a good person and I'm liberal and I will jump merrily into the water and commit suicide.
That's what they're doing.
They are jumping into the Trudeau swimming pool, right?
And it takes a tremendous amount of deworming.
For me to get them to switch.
So, because I sometimes, my wife will say to me, why did you just waste, you're a very busy guy, why did you just waste 45 minutes talking to this asshole, right?
She's nice, she doesn't say asshole to this person.
Okay, I'll say asshole.
I say, well, because I felt that I might be able to flip them and it might be, maybe it's worth it.
Maybe it's not worth it to spend 45 minutes on each person, but other times they're impenetrable and usually I've become very good at being able to gauge whether it's worth my Yeah, whether it's a potential investment or a guaranteed loss.
Exactly. Because then not only did I not sit and have a coffee with my wife and you intruded into my time, but I wasted the 45 minutes without being able to flip you.
No, and oftentimes it's more than a waste.
It's that the only reason they're doing it is so they can get you to say something that they'll hold against you and not...
I'll pull this one up because you'll love this.
This is what I ran for the People's Party of Canada.
And I sit down to do an article.
I think I knew it was with the Canadian Jewish News.
And this is the heading, why this Jewish YouTube star ran for the People's Party in Montreal.
And I'll tell you something, like, I've never, I don't talk about, I'm not particularly Jewish.
I mean, I am Jewish and Jewish, but like, I don't talk about it.
It's not something that motivates my decisions.
It's not something that I ever think makes me more right or someone else not being Jewish makes them more wrong.
I don't talk about it.
But my goodness, dude, there's no other people.
They're like, you run for the PPC and you're Jewish.
Yeah, maybe you should listen to the people.
People's Party of Canada, sort of libertarian constitutionalist party.
Maybe you should listen to the policies and they're not the racists that you've been brainwashed to think they are.
You know, it's funny you say this because while I am very Jewish in terms of recognizing that I come from a particular lineage and so on, I'm not particularly religious.
And I've said almost the exact same thing as you, which is it becomes important for me to talk about my...
Jewish identity because those who wish to exterminate me really care about my Jewish identity.
So I'd much rather present myself to the world as Gad, as professor, as evolutionary psychologist, as father.
But if you're going to say, no, no, no, we're going to kill you because specifically you forgot to mention the J word.
You're Jewish, aren't you?
Well, then guess what?
I'm going to own it and I am going to defend Jewish causes because I'd like to live.
Gad, let me read a few of these.
These are called Rumble Rants over on Rumble.
We got TZ Burton says, Gad, have you ever had an interview with Brigitte Gabriel?
She is Lebanese.
She runs the ACT.
Yeah, I don't need to be.
I know her very well.
She's a friend of mine and she has been on my show about...
Six months ago, so yes.
Okay, cool.
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GMA Sherry says, great guest.
I have a Facebook friend who have lost their minds, but our own adorable governor of Illinois made a unifying post.
Who knew?
There were over 72 million white uneducated males in the U.S. And thank you for this video.
And again, we're going to have to keep you all day, but hold on.
In case you haven't come across this one for your book, and it's not to be cynical or make fun of anything, Springfield.
This is coming out of Springfield, Ohio.
Do you remember this?
Oh, the cats and the dogs?
Well, this is a man whose son got hit by one of the Haitian...
Oh, yes, yes.
It's in the book.
It's in the book.
Okay, fine.
Now, I give the benefit of the doubt to the father, and I say maybe, I didn't see all the interviews, so maybe my benefit of the doubt is ill-placed, where he says, you know, I wish that my son Aiden was killed by a 60-year-old white man.
I bet you never thought anyone would say such a thing, but if the guy that killed my 11-year-old son, the incessant group of hate-spewing people would leave us alone, the last thing we need...
The way I read that may be giving him the benefit of the doubt and not being the hairworm cricket jumping into the water is if it had just been a regular accident, nobody would give the guy...
He could grieve in...
Not alone, but he could grieve in peace.
And now people are politicizing it because it happens to be political.
And he's like, if only it weren't political, I could grieve in peace.
I want to choose to believe that that's how he meant it and not...
I think your charitable take is one that I share.
So in the list of insane suicidal empathy, it doesn't score as high as the one who was sodomized crying over his rapist.
Yes. I don't think it gets much worse than that unless there's something more going on in that story.
Gad, so everybody knows where to find you.
Where can they find you and when can they expect the book?
How does it work?
You're writing another book.
Yes, so the book technically is only slated for next year in the contract, but given the fact that I have a bit more leeway now because I'm at Northwood and they've granted me all this freedom to think and write and not have to worry about ducking and weaving death threats.
That timeline is going to be moved forward, but I don't suspect that I will have a first draft fully ready for at least a few more months.
So I wouldn't be refreshing the pre-order button anytime soon, but it's certainly being worked on in a very fevered pitched way.
Amazing. And let's see if I'm going to read some more here in locals and see if there's anything that I'm missing that I want to get to.
Ali Michael says, diversity is chaos.
It fosters instability.
There's an issue about, like, it's Tommy Robinson sort of has the best take on it.
It's nothing against any individual fill-in-the-blank minority.
If you want to come to Britain and you want to be British, it's something of a culture, not of a race necessarily.
The issue is that this mass immigration of unchecked, unassimilated, in the non-indoctrinated meaning of it, it's like we have...
A Bill of Rights, you know, we have a Constitution.
If you're coming here and you don't want to respect freedom of speech or Second Amendment rights in the States, for example, don't come.
And if you bring people in who don't respect the Constitution, the founding documents of the country, you're only inviting problems.
Things have balanced out the way they have because of cultural, philosophical distinctions between peoples over time.
And you don't need to hierarchize it.
But respect it because it means something.
It's evolution over time of nations.
But the problem is that it's very difficult for the folks who are coming in to have that reflex because they've never had to compromise in their host societies.
And I actually talk about this in Suicidal Empathy when I talk about immigration and how that is a form of Suicidal Empathy.
So if I come from a culture where 99% of the people, if not 100%, so let's be charitable and put it 99. I'm in Pakistan.
Okay? Well, there are very, very, very, very few.
Well, there are no Pakistani Jews.
There are very few Pakistani Christians at this point.
The only possibility is that there might be some different denominations of Islam, but pretty much the entire country is homogeneous in its Islamic bent.
Well, if I come from a culture where I've never had to compromise...
On any issue because everyone is like me.
Now you ask me to go into a society where in order for civic society to function, it inherently has to have mechanisms of compromise.
Well, then suddenly we have a clash.
So just that in of itself causes problems that are very difficult to deal with.
I had to Google it.
I never even thought.
How many Jews in Pakistan?
I think they're only vacationing Jews.
There's 200 Jews in Pakistan.
Country is...
Let's see how ignorant I can be.
I'm going to guess something, but you go ahead.
You guess first.
I don't want to be totally stupid.
Is 500 million too much?
No, no!
I'm going to go 100 million.
Right in the middle.
It's 240.
Wow! I'm very surprised that it's that much.
Yeah, well, I was only thinking geopolitically to fight with India.
It's got to have a big population.
Hold on, let me see here.
Well, India is about 1.4, right?
Well, that's why I was thinking it had to be 240 as of 2023.
Wow, I just learned something new.
It reminds me, by the way, I was once, not my most recent appearance, but I was once on Joe Rogan where I asked him, can you guess?
How many Jews there are in the world?
I know that one.
Don't say it.
Let me see.
I'm going to go to the chat.
I guarantee the chat on Rumble is going to have an idea.
How many Jews in the world?
Total number.
Don't cheat.
Don't look.
I know the answer.
Whoever is going to answer.
Let's see here.
I love listening to you talking.
Time flies at work.
Time flies at work doesn't get done.
Let's see here.
So someone says, Old Dog says 12 to 14 million.
It depends how you define Jews.
He's cheating.
Joe Dirty says 20 million.
They're all cheating.
Because usually the answer is economically higher.
So Joe Rogan said his first answer was, oh, how many Jews?
100 million.
1 billion.
I said, okay.
He didn't say $1 million.
He did, you could go watch it.
So he said, unless he edited, but I don't think so.
So then he goes, no, no, no, wait a second, wait a second, let me revise it.
$500 million.
I said, okay, is that your final answer?
He goes, yeah, $500 million.
I said, no, it's about $14 million.
He goes, no, no, that's bullshit.
And then he, you know how he always does, hey, Jamie, pull it up.
I go, why do you keep doing the Jamie thing?
You think I just come on the show and just start saying bullshit?
So then he checks, and then it's proven to be true.
I think maybe it's more only because if you consider half, let me see here, Jews in the world, because I was thinking it's more like closer to 20, but that might be including half Jews.
As of 2023, around 15.7 million people.
That includes 7.1 million Jews in Israel, 8.5 in other countries.
The United States is the largest with 6.3 million.
I've got to phrase the question properly.
The population...
Population of people who identify as Jews.
Oh, well, then we'd have to put Elon Musk, because remember he said he is aspirationally Jewish.
Well, no, but again, I had a funny conversation with someone where we're talking.
I'm very sensitive and maybe too sensitive to the statistical over-representation of Jews in fields where people attribute certain social problems to politics, world wars, all these things.
I'm sensitive to that.
But then I'm having a discussion with someone who's like, Jews control the banks.
And I was like, well, just let's look at some CEOs of the biggest banks.
And then the person said, I don't remember the context.
He says, well, you don't have to be a Jew to be Jew-ish.
Ah, there you go.
So your name could be John O'Malley, but you are Jewish.
Yes, if you want to make money and read...
It was very funny, but then you realize there will always be a two-degree separation or judification if you want to find a bad event to a person who has to be Jewish involved.
My only underlying point in all of it is you cannot ignore statistical over-representation.
The only question is, is it...
People who happen to be Jewish or people who are doing it in the name of Judaism, to many it doesn't make a difference, and I can see to some extent it doesn't make a difference, but to some at least.
Gad, at the risk of sending you back to...
So it is fall in Canada, right?
I still think it's August.
It's fall, but it's very warm.
I'm still wearing shorts, and I will carry that as far as I can go.
So we are, what, November 7th?
And actually, right now...
I mean, you only see this part.
I'm wearing Bermudas.
I'm in shorts.
So maybe it's global warming and I need to kill our pets in order to stop flatulence.
You didn't pay enough taxes to bring down the private footprint.
Gad, it's amazing.
I always forget, but everybody knows you.
I'm going to put your links out there afterwards.
You and I will stick around.
Everyone, locals, I'll come and do something private afterwards.
Let me just make sure I didn't forget any tip questions while we're here.
Tip questions because I don't want to get in trouble.
Encryptus says, think about this.
Jeffrey Epstein and P. Diddy went down.
Who took up their mantle?
If they were in fact working with intelligence or other shady organizations and blackmail info, we can't possibly think this blackmailing operation is over and the trafficking is gone, right?
So who is the new kingpin now?
We'll find out in 10 to 15 years.
We got that one.
Bill Brown, there's a nice meme in here.
I've got everything.
Watching the mainstream label, the white population, you got that.
You can learn a lot from a dummy, says Bill Brown.
Finboy Slick says, if you'll allow me to the boldness of correcting you, Dr. Saad.
Oh, the six inches.
Okay, I got that joke.
And that's it.
We covered everything.
There's always more and the world will continue changing, but I feel smarter every time I listen to you talk.
So it's fantastic.
Stick around.
You and I will say our proper goodbyes.
Everyone on the interwebs, I will see you.
It's Thursday today.
I'll be live tomorrow.
You'll see me.
Unusual Suspects.
I don't know if you know them, but if you don't know them, it's a great show.
We're going to be on tomorrow celebrating the Trump victory and planning the roadmap going forward because it's pedal to the metal.
Nobody's resting on their laurels now.
Good stuff.
Stick around, everyone.
Peace out, peeps.
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