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May 8, 2024 - Viva & Barnes
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Interview with Dr. Chris Martenson! From Covid to AstraZeneca and Beyond! Viva Frei Live
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Chairman Smith, Ranking Member Wild, and members of the subcommittee, thank you for the opportunity to come before you today to discuss the importance of protecting the freedoms of speech and expression.
My name is Chris Pavlovsky.
I'm a native of Toronto, Canada, and the chairman and CEO of Rumble.
When I founded Rumble in 2013, incumbent platforms had become beholden to large creators, brands, and large corporations.
Rumble provided an alternative for small and independent creators to speak their minds, express their opinions, own their narrative, build communities, and maximize their earnings.
Our company was founded on a mission to protect a free and open internet, as we believe everyone benefits when there is a diverse marketplace of ideas, opinions, and dialogues.
In late 2020 and into 2021, we realized the power of our mission as millions of users followed creators to the emerging platform, with little to no marketing.
Some of Rumble's largest creators, including former Congressman Devin Nunes, Dan Bongino, Glenn Greenwald, and former Democratic presidential candidate Tulsi Gabbard also joined the platform during this time.
As a result...
Rumble saw its average monthly active users increase dramatically from 1.6 million in the third quarter of 2020 to 36 million in the third quarter of 2021.
In other words, we saw an increase of 22.5 times the number of users in just one calendar year.
In September of 2022, Rumble successfully went public, relocating our headquarters to the United States and trading on the NASDAQ under the ticker symbol RUM.
R-U-M.
We've expanded our video content into new verticals like sports, lifestyle, hip-hop, and video gaming.
Beyond the video sharing platform, Rumble now offers the Rumble Advertising Center, Rumble Studio live streaming software, and the Rumble Cloud.
Freedom of speech and freedom of expression are the cornerstones of a democratic society.
Freedom of expression is so important that not only is it the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, but it is also Article 19 in the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
Without these freedoms, We may have never learned the stories of Frederick Douglass during the abolition movement in the 1830s, or witnessed the civil rights movement of the 1960s, the women's rights movements of the 1970s, or the Arab Spring in the early 2010s.
It is extremely troubling to me that in 2024, I have to come before the U.S. Congress to testify that these fundamental rights are being threatened.
For years, we saw platforms shadow ban ideas they did not agree with.
It was subtle suppression of ideas and opinions that did not fit the norm as dictated by algorithms.
Today, the censorship we see is much more overt.
Governments are acting in ways we only imagine happening 50 to 60 years ago, openly asking platforms to censor and take down disfavored content.
They are back in the business of thinking they know what's best.
Dictating and controlling conversations and stripping the human right to speak and share freely.
These are not theoretical fears.
These things are happening, and I know this personally as the CEO of a platform that receives demands from governments around the world.
One of the first instances of government censorship we experienced did not come as a surprise.
As it came from communist China, communist governments often crack down on a variety of freedoms, including freedom of expression.
However, we were surprised in 2022 when we received a request from the French government to block certain news sources.
People can certainly question the trustworthiness of news sources, but it should not be any government's job to selectively eliminate access to information.
Rather than comply with the French government's request, we simply disabled the access to the platform in France and challenged the legality of this demand.
Rumble has a strong set of content guidelines under our terms and conditions, but the content the French government was asking us to censor did not violate any of our terms.
Instead, it was regarding Russian news outlets.
Earlier this year, we received requests from the Brazilian government to remove certain creators from our platform.
Again, the content did not violate our terms and conditions, but instead shared opinions that were unpopular in Brazil at the time.
Rumble made a very tough decision not to comply with the government's request.
As with France, we chose to disable access for our users in Brazil while we challenged the legality of the Supreme Court's demands.
It does not stop there.
Just last month, we received requests from New Zealand and Australia to censor politically unpopular content.
Countries in every hemisphere, all of the members of the United Nations, are no longer upholding the human right to freedom of expression.
This is getting out of control, and it should alarm everyone in this room.
As this committee knows, the United States is involved in so many initiatives to protect democracy around the world.
But when it comes to defending the freedom of speech and protecting American businesses who attempt to uphold this right in Brazil, the United States has been silent.
It cannot remain so.
It does not matter which platform hosts the content.
Today it is Rumble.
Yesterday it was X. But tomorrow it could be the New York Times.
The platform shouldn't matter.
The universal right to freedom of speech and expression, the core of Western democracy, is at stake.
America needs to step up and take a leading role.
Rumble will never back down from our mission.
We are the tip of the spear in this fight, and we relish that.
We urge everyone, especially the US State Department, to join us.
I'll close with one final thought.
Every totalitarian regime that has crushed the rights of individuals has sought to control what people can say and hear.
It's never the good guys doing the censoring.
If the United States won't stand up for freedom of speech, who will?
Thank you again for the opportunity to be with you today.
I look forward to taking your questions.
Now, if you didn't hear that Chris Pawlowski testified, I want to say Senate, but I forget if it's a Senate hearing or congressional hearing.
If you didn't know that Chris Pawlowski testified yesterday on online censorship, there might be a damn good reason for that.
It's the best-kept secret that there were investigations, or at least Senate hearings, and Chris is testifying about how Rumble has been getting requests from governments, and not just the bad ones, the good governments, to take down politically disfavored speech.
And you wouldn't have known that Rumble was blacklisted or banned in Russia about a month ago.
You wouldn't know this because I guess it might make Rumble look like a good guy in this battle for free speech.
It might make Rumble not look like a pro-Putin Russian asset.
It might make Chris Pavlovsky look like a principled business person, a principled social media platform owner who's actually defending the rights of everybody.
Friend or foe to have the God-given right to freedom of speech.
For those of you out there saying they're private companies, it's not freedom of speech.
Bullcrap when you have governments asking private companies to suppress speech of others.
That's a problem.
So if you hadn't heard about that, I figured I'd put Chris's opening statement on blast because it's a wonderfully eloquent opening statement.
I put it on Twitter yesterday and I figured, well, why not just give it a little extra blast today?
Start the stream, not just an hour and a half early, but five minutes early.
Because Dr. Chris Martinson, you may remember him from such live streams that we had.
I remember this one when we did it.
It was about two years ago.
I was in the bathroom of an Airbnb up in Mont-Tremblant, Quebec.
And we did an amazing podcast.
I had to find the only quiet place in the house because we were two families sharing an Airbnb.
Two years ago.
And my have things changed and have certain predictions and certain concerns come to fruition.
We're going to get to that in a second.
We're really going to end on Rumble.
We're going to end on YouTube very quickly and go over to Rumble.
I wanted to put Chris's opening statement on blast on YouTube only so that we could say, hey, did you know that that happened yesterday?
Stay tuned for more of it.
And did you know that Rumble was banned in Russia?
I bet you didn't because there's basically a media blackout covering what is a very, very important piece of news, interesting development, and how maybe they're not on par on all levels.
But France asks Rumble to take down content.
They say no.
Brazil asks them to take down content.
They say no.
New Zealand.
I don't want to make a mistake on any countries.
And now Russia.
Might make you think, hmm, if Russia is a totalitarian regime that silences dissent and dissidence, and yet France, Brazil, and New Zealand are doing the same thing.
Maybe we're not following in the good example.
Maybe we're not necessarily the good guys in all respect.
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We're going to start on YouTube by bringing in Chris and we're going to introduce him for those of you who don't know him.
And then we're going to end on YouTube.
Go over to Rumble, and I'll make the executive decision as to whether or not we post this entire stream on YouTube, given what we're going to talk about.
And I'll tell you what, at least one of the topics is going to rhyme with Schmachdrashrendica and Hivermectin.
We're talking about some recent breaking developments and stuff that you might not have heard because media ain't covering.
Dr. Martinson, sir, are you ready to come in?
He looks ready.
All right.
Sir, how goes the battle?
Good.
How are you?
It's so good to be back with you.
Real upgrade from the bathroom, but that worked too.
Well, you know what?
Here, I can do this.
Let me see.
I'll bring it up.
Yeah, this looks better.
We'll do it like this.
It was two years ago.
Now, I don't know if it was just under two years or already over two years, but I remember it was a sidebar.
We had Barnes on.
I had only been recently introduced to you at the time, and I go do my homework and bone up, and I learn a lot of stuff before we do the interview.
But I know a lot of your crowd is going to be here.
I suspect all of my crowd knows who you are, but just in case there's a lot of new people in here.
Who are you?
The 30,000-foot overview.
I am Chris Martinson.
I have a PhD in pathology, subspecialty toxicology.
However, I'm not an economist, but I play one on the internet.
I have a big community over at peakprosperity.com, and we look at systems-level things, like how does the economy connect to energy, connect to health?
I like to see how things connect, so I'm a dot connector.
And some people call me a futurist, but I'm not.
I'm a trend extrapolationist.
I just see where things are going.
And it's a big, complicated world.
And honestly, my moniker for the people who subscribe to my service is I am an information scout.
I go out and figure out what's going on.
I boil it down and present it to people.
That's my role.
And I pulled up this.
It's not even a joke because it's true.
Dr. Martinson is one of the original OG truth-tellers of the plandemic.
Before we even get into some of the juice of the day, what were some of your earlier predictions or your earlier queries, concerns as to what was going on and how have they panned out over time?
Pretty well.
You know, my first video that I blasted out to the world, it got actually the most views, you know, around coronavirus.
I put that out on January 23rd, 2020.
And I told people this is coming.
It's going to have massive economic impacts.
Whether how deadly it is, we don't know yet.
I explained what a coronavirus was.
And I also said, you know, flat out, get hand sanitizer masks and toilet paper, right?
Because I just knew what was coming.
And so that was January 23rd.
By February 5th, this was my first, like, scratchy record moment.
Something is seriously off my Wikipedia page, which had been up for 12 years.
Got taken down because I was spreading misinformation already because I was at odds.
The New York Times was saying it's just the flu, bro.
And I was like, no, it looks more than that, you know.
And so it was taken down by one of those mysterious editors of Wiki.
You know, we don't know if they graduated high school.
We don't know what their creds are.
But it was taken down because I was a non-notable person whose scientific endeavors had not been recent enough for their taste.
And so I was speaking out of turn.
And they took down my page.
This is all that's left of it if you try to look up Chris Martinson's Wikipedia, right?
Yeah.
It's gone.
It's gone.
I'm a published author.
I'm a scientist.
I've got a really big following.
I've done a lot of notable things, but not according to Wiki.
And I knew Wiki at that time was a deep state information narrative machine.
So that was one.
Two, I suddenly got all these YouTube subscribers were coming in, and I had the misfortune.
It was in March.
I surfaced a paper that came from the NIH that in SARS Classic, not SARS-CoV-2, but the first one from 2003, that they had discovered in 2005 that this substance called hydroxychloroquine, or in that case chloroquine phosphate, was very successful at blocking the replication of that virus.
So I posted that.
Just innocently, because I'm just a guy out here with a Comcast connection, which is internet in the States, figuring out how things worked.
And I posted that, and I just got squished.
That was it.
That was maxed out, not getting any more subscribers, hemorrhaging thousands, and the reach suddenly stopped.
And that was my second scratchy record moment.
And this is before Trump had even mentioned it, and we can blame this on Trump derangement syndrome.
So that's when I realized I was up against an organized.
Criminal element.
And not to rub it in your face, Chris, even I have a Wikipedia.
I don't understand why mine is red.
Oh, let's see.
Oh, it's red.
Some schnook making videos in his cars.
Yeah, Wikipedia page.
A Dr. Chris Martinson who's been on the internet, you know, published.
No.
No wiki for you.
Okay, I mean, I think that's going to be good enough for Rumble, for YouTube.
Let's move on over to Rumble.
The link is in there, people.
It's in the pinned comment, but just in case, skip on over also and come right to Locals, and we might have time for some exclusive Q&A afterwards.
Hold on, let me just make sure the link is up here.
Okay, so move on over.
That's all we need to do for YouTube, but I'll bring up one.
Oh, no, I'll bring that one up afterwards.
Okay, done.
Okay, now, I haven't done it yet because I'm not done yet.
Now we're off YouTube.
All right.
Chris, so...
Alright, let's have a free conversation.
Now, okay, I don't even know where to start.
I know what's on people's mind right now is the latest news coming from AstraZeneca, or at least as it relates to the AstraZeneca shots, and some risks which were not disclosed or actively concealed.
And, I mean, it's so gross that I can anticipate the arguments for the bad faith players who are going to say, there's risks to every vaccine, and these are infinitesimal.
And as if that could excuse potentially not disclosing what were known risks at the time, how far into the AstraZeneca breaking news have you gotten?
Far enough to just see the...
This is just par for the course, unfortunately.
Once you start peeling back that onion and go through the layers of what pharma does, they lie about every single drug submission.
Every single one of them.
I mean, SSRIs, benzos.
Vaccines, though, is just such a cesspool of grossness that it's really hard to comprehend.
This was, I would call it, par for the course, which in any other human, humane world, we would say would get the death penalty for the people involved.
It's really that bad.
So, yeah, they had risks, not risks.
They knew there were harms.
And this is the part we have to understand about this story.
This is the weird part again.
It's one of those scratchy record moments like, why did Chris get his Wikipedia page taken down?
Why did so many people like, you know, Brett Weinstein have there get demonetized?
Why was this huge campaign against everybody who dared to try and follow the data or the evidence around vaccines, ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, masking, shutdowns, all of it?
When you look back at that, it says, well, they really wanted to get this spike protein into people for some reason.
I'm going to get wonky for just a second.
But when you do vaccine development, you don't usually present the whole thing that you're trying to get antibody responses to or an immunological response.
You present a piece of it, right?
And it's called an epitope, a little fragment, right?
So instead of giving like a whole diphtheria thing, you just take a piece off the outside, train the body to see that piece.
It attacks that piece and in so doing attacks the whole organism that you're trying to go after.
So for some reason...
Every single vax manufacturer, whether it was AstraZeneca, J&J, those are adenoviruses, that's the old vaccine technology, or the mRNAs, they used the entire spike protein, which we now know they knew was a toxic thing.
Why were they so?
And this is a huge, giant thing.
That would be like, hey, I'm trying to explain how, you know, I want to train your body to see the mirror from a Lamborghini.
So I'm going to give you the whole Lamborghini.
You know, it's like, it's a bizarre thing.
And so they knew they were giving a toxic spike protein that was going to have biological impacts on people.
And then they specifically blocked looking for what those impacts would be, which we now know is legendary.
I mean, the list of side effects off of these things, which includes death, side effects with air quotes, it's everything.
Dysmenorrhea in women, immunological, neurological, cardio, of course.
Everything.
Clotting.
And so, yeah, they hid that.
How long had they, because now it's like you live it backwards, and I remember hearing of this guy named Dr. Malone speaking of this thing called spike protein.
How long, I just, I didn't even understand the idea of injecting the spike protein.
I have never even thought about what a vaccine was.
I go old school and think it's a little deactivated particle from the virus itself that's not enough to make you sick, but enough to train your body.
To react.
I remember them talking about the spike protein being injected and not staying in place, going throughout the body.
Then I remember the idea that it might be passing through the brain barrier.
How long have we heard of these things called spike proteins for before mass implementation in these mRNA shots?
So the first papers I can find are from the mid-1990s, and they involve one Dr. Ralph Baric, and he was studying Coronavirus cardiomyopathy in rabbit models.
So they were looking at this myocarditis induced by the spike protein.
And an interesting thing, he is probably the father of all this nonsense and malarkey.
And not one interview of him the entire time as the leading world expert in understanding the mechanism of action of spike protein on cardiomyopathy when we have...
Athletes dropping dead on the field, you'd think somebody would have said, maybe we should talk to this guy.
And I kept putting it out there like, somebody should talk to this guy.
Nobody talked to that guy, right?
Because we have, as you just, with Chris Pawlowski's piece there in Congress, we have a really corrupt media, information, narrative, cognitive warfare machine that's running.
And it doesn't like to ask questions it doesn't want answers to.
And this was one area they didn't want to explore, but that's...
Like, we've known about this for a long time.
That is one of the targeted mechanisms of action of the spike protein, is to create myocarditis.
They knew that, and then they created vaccines, which gave, didn't just that little piece you talked about, not just a little piece, they gave the whole thing, and that was very deliberate.
And now, so AstraZeneca has to now, it's not that they're disclosing that there are side effects, because at the beginning they said safe and effective, and then it became, well, there's always risks to vaccines.
As far as I understand from the breaking news, they knew that, I guess it's a statistically significant risk that they actively concealed from the get-go.
Absolutely.
Absolutely they did.
And it's just, listen, what I learned, I used to trust science.
I'm a scientist by training.
I used to trust it.
I don't anymore because I found out, and just every time somebody would say, oh, look, here's this study that shows safe and effective, and I would start peeling it back, and I would go to tables, and I would start ripping these things apart.
And when I got in there, every time I found out, I was just like, this is fraudulent.
It is fraudulent data analysis, data gathering.
They would say, oh, 1,300 people started the trial, and they excluded 150, and you're like, which 150?
Did they die?
What happened to them?
You know, and they were invariably, they would throw people out who had bad results that they didn't want to have to talk about.
So they would just, it's cherry picking.
So I lost all faith in these studies.
That's what they did in AstraZeneca as well.
They ran really bad, flawed studies, and then they internally hid the bad results.
And then that finally came out in trial.
They're like, oh yeah, we kind of knew about that.
But it wasn't disclosed.
So that whole idea, I mean, you've seen it, right?
Those people are like, Where's my informed consent?
And there's this package insert and they would unfold these things.
And it's blank.
Completely blank.
It's wild.
I mean, the news only broke about AstraZeneca because of, from what I understand, a lawsuit in the UK.
Thus far, I don't think there's been any even successfully initiated lawsuits in the US.
There is now a lawsuit against Moderna and Pfizer out of Canada brought by Dan Hartman.
Who's the father of Sean Hartman and Kayla Pollock.
Because in Canada, we didn't have...
What's the word I'm looking for?
Not indemnity.
It was immunity.
We didn't have statutory immunity.
We had contractual indemnities.
Which means they can still be sued, but they can just turn around and make the government hold them harmless for any damages to the extent there was no fraud or whatever.
So we're getting some lawsuits and some disclosure out of UK and Canada.
But this was mind-blowing.
When the latest now, we talked about it briefly beforehand, and I saw that it's on your Twitter feed.
Chris Cuomo, who I just ran into at The Unusual Suspects a little while ago, has now publicly admitted that he was vaccine injured?
He did.
He did.
He was in an interview with somebody else who was vaccine injured and said, well, you know, I'm right there with you.
You know, I've experienced the same thing.
And it's gone further than that.
He's admitted he's getting treated for it.
And we can talk about that in a minute.
But yeah, he said he's vaccine injured.
Changed his life.
It's wild.
There's an online Twitter space of alleged doctors who I strongly suspect might be funded, but that's my own suspicion.
And there's a ridiculous amount of them who admit...
They won't admit that they're vaccine injured, but there's a statistical over-representation of these vax pushers who have suffered from myocarditis and nonetheless continue pushing this, and they expect us to believe that the myocarditis was caused by the COVID infection, not the jab, even though they got the infection after having gotten the jab, which was supposed to prevent it.
What did Chris say that he's doing to treat his vaccine injury?
Well, he's taking a little something called ivermectin.
It's a stunning turn of development.
Of course, we know that ivermectin is very, very helpful.
We've known this clinically for a long time.
So when people are vaccine injured, we can actually decode that a little bit and say they're spike protein injured.
Now, when you get a natural coronavirus infection, you're exposed to the spike protein, but it's not a free-floating protein.
It's stuck on the virus, right?
And then your body bites the virus with this thing called natural immunity.
You might have heard of it.
Golden oldie from all of evolution, right?
So natural immunity deals with it, deals with it fine.
And I think long COVID for most people is actually long vax injury.
So with this spikopathy, who knew?
It turns out ivermectin is very effective at helping manage the symptoms of that and reduce the overall misresponse of the body to that and maybe even helps clear it out of the body.
We don't know, but it's very helpful for the people it is helpful for.
It is a miracle and they're on it.
And unfortunately, I've heard about people who take it.
They're fine.
They try and come off it and they're not fine again.
So they may be lifelong.
We don't know, but at least for a couple of years.
Now, I forget which doctor it was, but it was a doctor who was explaining the difference between being injected with a spike protein to induce a response.
To fight, you know, prevent versus getting an infection.
And you have an entire immunological response in conjunction with the spike protein in the body.
And so if you could explain that or if I'm misunderstanding it, but the bottom line is the idea being why the spike protein would be more toxic in the absence of infection versus with an actual infection.
Because when you inject the spike, your entire body is not yet primed to respond to it.
Whereas when you get an infection, you have an entire body systemic response so that it deals with the spike protein.
In a less toxic manner.
Is that a layperson's way of describing it?
Absolutely.
That's great.
It's a very complex system.
So let's separate them out.
If you get a natural infection, what's happening is the virus through millions and even billions of years has figured out this cat and mouse game of how to get into your cell and hijack the machinery so it can get replicated.
And the cell will release that and more of those virus particles go out to repeat the cycle.
So there's a machine for that, and the body knows what that machine is, and there's a whole very complicated way of dealing with that.
Second, if you just had spike protein circulating in your blood, it's got a toxic characteristic to it, but eventually that'll be cleared again by normal clearance mechanisms.
The problem is that particularly with the mRNA vaccine, what you've done is you've primed the cell to make a foreign protein that it's not supposed to make.
Tricking the body into doing something it's not supposed to do through a very unnatural mechanism.
This isn't mRNA, which remember, I remember for years they were like, oh, you already have mRNA in every cell.
So this is just more of something natural.
It's like, no, it's made with some really weird chemical called methyl pseudouridine, and that's not natural in those amounts or locations.
And you're causing me to make a foreign...
Protein.
It's a foreign protein.
So what actually happens is your cells, like let's say your myocytes in your heart, they take this stuff up and they express a foreign protein on their cell surface, which tells your body bad news.
That's not us.
Kill it, right?
Well, bad news when you kill your heart cells, right?
They don't reproduce and you only have one set of them and it's called, you know, you're killing your heart cells.
So they tried to tell us.
That's mild.
Oh, it was just mild myocarditis.
All of these lies, David.
They were just lies after lies after lies.
So, back to the spike protein.
You've trained your cells to do something they're not supposed to do.
We've put in this modified RNA, which again, they told us at the beginning.
Oh, it breaks down in hours.
It does not.
We have studies now showing that people can find this stuff intact six months later.
Maybe more, but we know that it's at least six months later.
We know that we can find people who are still manufacturing spike protein up to a year after their injection.
So their body's been turned into a machine that is constantly churning out something toxic to them.
Not everybody, but for the people who have that, their lives are upended and vax injured, and it's really tragic.
And unlike the New York Times front page with that odious...
Joke of a journalist, Apurva Mandavili, who was busy telling us that talking about lab leak was racist and running interference for the pharma complex all those years, came out with that front page thing and said, you know, thousands of people believe they might be vaccinated.
Like, believe?
No, no.
I've met these people.
Their lives are destroyed or upended.
And there's not thousands of them.
There's millions of them.
Have you, I mean, I don't know if you've done number crunching or...
Statistical analysis in terms of the actual numbers or what reasonably could be the real numbers.
I've heard some wild numbers in terms of not lacking credibility, just wildly high numbers.
Is there a consensus among the honest scientists or the truth-seeking scientists as to how many people say nationally have been injured?
Injured is harder to come by, but we have one set of statistics that's pretty solid for me, and that's excess deaths.
And so there we have very solid, robust national-level statistics about how many people should die in any given period.
That's called the expected number of deaths.
And then we have these...
Statistics that show starting in 2021, we had excess deaths that were way, way, way above where they should have been, like 8%, 10%, 12%, 14%, depends on the country, but very significant.
And in people way above the trends of where they should be, given the age cohort they were in.
So 18 to 44-year-olds, like just blastingly high.
In fact, so high that...
Out of the context, outside of the context of an actual world war, we don't have anything in our data set that looks like this.
This is the equivalent of sending people off to war to die, and we're talking, we can get hard numbers there.
There are hundreds of thousands of deaths that we can assign.
Chris, this is the problem, and it's such a post-truth world where, first they say there is no excess deaths, and you're lying, and then you have these...
These Twitter doctors, so-called, putting up screen grabs showing excess deaths and it looks flat.
Then they say, okay, there are excess deaths.
This is from February 2024.
New analysis reels many excess deaths attributed to natural causes.
Why they would have been attributed to natural causes in the first place are actually unaccounted COVID deaths.
So it's this...
It's this impossible game of whack-a-mole where they say no excess deaths, no turbo cancers, no increased cancers, but there's an increase in cancer, but it started before, and now there is an increased excess death, but it was natural causes before, and now it's going to be unaccounted COVID numbers.
How is anyone supposed to believe anything?
Well, you can't.
We live in this post-truth world.
This is simple, though.
If we were in a relationship with our government, our government has cheated on us, and they're trickle-truthing us now.
Oh, hey, baby.
You know, no, I just, I didn't.
Oh, yeah, maybe I kissed her.
That was it.
You know?
Oh, no, baby.
We actually slept together.
Like, we're getting trickle truth.
So they're going to release this out.
They know it's very damaging information.
They know this.
And so they're going to try and just let the steam out a little bit.
There's no vaccine injuries.
Totally safe and effective.
Well, maybe there were a few.
Okay, maybe more than a few.
This is a crime of biblical proportions.
This is self-inflicted.
And they actively ran interference because for some reason, we can talk about that later, why they were so desperate to get this mRNA into every single arm.
That's what their goal was.
And was it just money?
Was it something else?
Is it depopulation?
Is it a secret DARPA program to rewrite our genetics?
Who knows?
But we know that that's what they did.
And they ran every possible mechanism they could to prevent the truth from coming out.
But truth has this stubborn way of coming out anyway.
And it's hard to hide dead people.
That's the hard part.
Let's get to it now, because there are some conflicting theories that, you know, it was a pandemic, it never existed, there was no virus, people saying it's never been isolated, yada yada.
I mean, bottom line, whether it was a bad or worse flu season, whether it was just your average flu season that was weaponized and exaggerated, people seem to forget in 2018.
In the States, I think, what, 60,000 to 80,000 people died from the flu?
So whether or not it was a bad flu season, whether or not it was a genuinely man-made virus that wasn't all that lethal but could be certainly made scary, it resulted in what we saw.
And it seems that the underlying goal was to vaccinate, or I don't want to be using that word, to jab everybody six months and up.
I want to hear some of your thoughts.
I mean, I will...
Be very reluctant to call anybody crazy.
The depopulation idea, whether or not it was the goal, it certainly seems to be something of an end result where you have stagnant or declining population in China, not China, in Japan, in the West, so cataclysmic.
Now we're being told you have to let immigrants in open borders because otherwise the population will not continue to grow.
So whether or not it was the end goal, it certainly might have been a happy accident for those.
What do you think was the purpose of compelling...
This jab on everybody.
Was it science, population control, or just social control?
Yeah.
I struggle with this all the time.
Look, everybody, we're looking for the big theory of everything, the toe, right?
So I consider what happened under COVID to have been a very important attack vector, but we're facing a multi-front attack vector right now, right?
They're attacking our language.
What is a woman?
They're attacking our children.
We have to confuse them in schools with all this gender stuff.
We don't have a border.
We're letting in mostly military-age men from countries thoroughly unvetted and trying to pretend like this somehow is rational and makes sense.
We had a trillion dollars of additional deficit slapped on debt spending in just 100 days.
So it's very hard to get your orientation.
And people often say that this jab, this death jab, this sick jab was not effective.
It really was.
It was wildly effective.
It showed that you could get people scared enough to get them to line up to take a completely unproven experimental treatment that was going to fundamentally rewrite their operating instructions.
And that's a cool thing, I guess, to these people in charge.
Who knows what they want to put in the second jab is the next one that might be coming down the line.
So that was sort of their program and their plan.
And, you know, my theory of everything, David?
Somebody is trying to destroy my country, right?
I can't distinguish what's happening from anything that would be different as if we were already invaded and being taken over.
I mean, Canada, what's happening up there?
It's just truly heartbreaking.
And to all of my Canadian friends who are not lost to the Borg or whatever's going on, how do you even make sense of...
People exercising their free speech rights and freezing bank accounts or stripping doctors of licenses because they wanted to practice medicine in the way they thought best, like they had for hundreds of years in the country prior.
So these things, I think if we add them all up, we have to be very suspicious of them now and say, whatever it was, the intention behind these jabs was absolutely not to help us and make us healthier and save lives.
It was some other intention.
It is, I mean, a lot of people say if the goal were to just systematically destroy a nation, destroy morale, and wean the world into a one-world government, what would, say, Trudeau and what would Biden be doing any differently?
In Canada, 97% of the population growth is from immigration because they sit there killing off their own population with euthanasia, promoting anti-population growth methods of abortion, however you feel about it.
And then you say, well, population's not growing.
Open up the borders.
And then, you know, letting in nine...
How many is it now, Chris?
In the States, it's nine or ten million illegal immigrants that have crossed the border since Biden took office?
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, just a guess.
It's about 20 million since 2018.
22 million, according to one study.
Maybe more.
Who knows?
You know, I actually went all the way down to the Darien Gap and...
Went up a river into the jungle and watched people coming out of the jungle.
When did you do this?
In January.
January.
Michael Yon invited me down.
Yeah.
And it was staggering.
It changed me.
I didn't know what we were up against.
Once I saw it in action, I was like, oh.
Because I had some little stupid fantasy that this is somehow the poor, the dispossessed.
These are people yearning for a better life.
And that's true.
To an extent, but also there were 61 NGOs down there.
I mean, get this.
So we get in a dugout canoe with a little 15-horse Evinrude and an Embraer Indian guide.
We go up four hours up this jungle.
Macaws and monkeys and, you know, caimans.
And it's amazing.
And we get up to this camp and all of a sudden there's like metal roofs and free Wi-Fi and, you know, all this stuff and generators and all these people coming out of the jungle.
And we were taken to that camp in particular because Michael wanted us to see that they called this China camp.
Because there was a shorter route you could walk instead of coming 30 miles through the jungle.
It's only 10 because you bribed people and took a boat up the coast.
So a little walk.
And these people coming out from Chinese, 9 out of 10 were male.
Many of them looked of military demeanor.
And they were very wealthy.
I mean, I actually saw Gucci luggage.
And really nice clothes.
It was astonishing.
I can't think of anything.
I mean, maybe I'm exaggerating.
I can't think of anything more dangerous than doing what you did in your position.
How risky was it?
And you have to go down and see it firsthand is why you took that risk.
I mean, is it as risky as I think it is?
Or am I exaggerating in my own mind?
Well, no, of course there's some risk.
But, you know, life without any risk is not an adventure.
So there was that.
But I felt very comfortable because with Michael.
And two of his colleagues there, very highly trained people who had been in a lot of much more serious war theaters.
So their spidey senses I was really trusting.
And so I felt it was risky, sure.
But, you know, I saw something.
Like, when I finally saw it, I realized this isn't just a few people.
Like, we were talking with some guys that were from Afghanistan, right?
Nice guys, actually.
He said, how did you find out about this?
Like, how are you in this camp here today?
They said, well, you know, on our phones, we get these texts that came across that said, you know, the path is open and here's how you get here.
And so, like, where did that text come from and where did this information come from?
Oh, everybody just shares it.
So they fly from Afghanistan.
They flew to Ecuador, right?
And because I think the visa is different.
And then they get up into Colombia.
They get dropped off.
There's like a bunch of little shops there at the end that sell you like water bottles and sleeping mats.
And then they hike it through the jungle, very dangerous, for 30, 40 miles, get to this camp, and then next thing they settle up, and then they pay another chunk of money, and they get taken up the same river we did.
And then they pay another chunk, and they get taken in a bus up to Costa Rica, get out, repeat the process, pay more money, get out of Costa Rica up to Nicaragua, and et cetera, all the way up, right?
And so how much did that cost?
Well, it's going to cost about five grand.
How many people came through?
About a million.
That's a five billion dollar industry.
Right?
And the question is, why would we make them do that instead of just fly to JFK?
I mean, it costs way more.
Just, you know, get out of Kabul and fly to JFK.
And so then we find out that actually that has been happening, that they've been flying these people straight into the country.
And even the Border Patrol has chartered airlines through a fun little airline that normally has CIA connections, and putting people on these and flying them up into the United States.
They won't disclose where, but they've been doing that.
So how would we distinguish this, David, differently from an actual invasion?
What would it look like?
And I couldn't, A, I couldn't see it was any different.
B, the UN is there.
All these, you know, the HIAS is there, the Hebrew Immigration Society, very big footprint there.
And there are all these NGO groups who are very actively interested in making sure that the United States has a massive migration of unvetted people.
And I will tell you that nine out of ten.
We're military-aged men.
That's what just happened.
Now you've piqued my interest.
I had not heard of the Hebrew immigration.
There's an A in there.
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You ready?
Yeah.
So now, head of DHS, Mayorkas.
Type his name in, in concert with Hayas.
Mayorkas, and I hate doing this because I did not know that Mayorkas was Jewish.
But now I do.
Hiokas profoundly...
Oh, let's see here.
Hias...
Oh, here.
Let's see here.
Is this the one that I should be looking for?
Profoundly...
What happened to it?
Where'd it go?
Oi!
Profoundly disappointed by Mayorkas impeachment.
Is that the story or should I look for another one?
Well, there's a lot of Mayorkas and Hias.
Type in board of directors.
Well, here we go.
Okay, hold on.
Let me wait for it.
Highest congratulates board member Alejandro Mayorkas.
This is May 2020.
But, Chris, is he still a member of the board?
I'm playing devil's advocate.
Is he still on the board?
A Cuban-born immigrant who arrived in the United States.
Oh, okay.
Please, elaborate.
Well, he's Jewish, and it was some Senate testimony where he was being grilled, and he threw the card on the table and said, how dare you ask me questions like this?
My father survived the Holocaust, so he threw the Holocaust card on the table.
Because he was being challenged.
So this is the guy who has absolutely enabled this mass invasion, and the organization that had the largest footprint down there, besides the UN's IOM, the migration piece, was highest.
So he's connected, and he clearly wants this, and I think we deserve answers, which is like, hey, Miorkas, why are you so impassioned?
About bringing in all of these military-age men into the United States.
And Canada should be asking the same question.
It's just a connection.
It's right there.
The guy was on the board.
I mean...
I'll tell you one thing.
It's not going to work well for dispelling what stereotypes or conspiracy theories people might have out there.
Here, let me bring this up because I do remember this in the time.
This is when I discovered it.
Noah, I never knew that Merrick Garland was Jewish until he said it.
I never knew that Mayorkas, call me ignorant, that doesn't really sound like a...
Here, listen.
Mr. Secretary, I think that your performance is despicable.
And I think the fact that you are not willing to provide answers to this committee is absolutely atrocious.
Mr. Harley.
Mr. Chairman, may I?
If you'd like to have a minute to respond, you would.
I would, and I'm not sure I'll limit it to 60 seconds.
That's fine.
Number one, what I found despicable is the implication that this language, tremendously odious, actually could be emblematic of the sentiments of the 260,000 men and women of the Department of Homeland Security.
Number one.
Number two, Senator Hawley takes an adversarial approach to me in this question, and perhaps he doesn't know my own background.
I didn't know it.
Perhaps he does not know that I am the child of a Holocaust survivor.
Perhaps he does not know that my mother lost almost all her family.
Relevance to protecting a border?
And so I find his adversarial tone To be entirely misplaced.
Oh, good for you.
I find it to be disrespectful of me and my heritage.
Okay, I'll stop there because it's going to make me puke, Chris.
Oh, yeah, you and me both.
You and me both.
I mean, come on.
You can't dodge like that.
First off, he sounds like a guy who's reaching into a thesaurus because he's worried about not being smart enough.
Odious.
It's just like, you know, characterizations.
Meanwhile, he's the border czar.
So whether or not it's some global conspiracy that you might want to add, you know, start with a Z, whether or not it's just money.
I mean, how much does this organization highest take in, take out?
Has anyone checked into their, you know, executive pay?
I mean, these organizations are all, as far as I'm concerned, they're all notoriously corrupt.
Red Cross, I mean, when the CEOs and the CFOs are getting paid $600,000, $700,000 a year for these charity organizations, well, Charity is very profitable for some.
I'm going to actually go do a little bit of a deep dive into HIAS.
So you go down there and you see this, and it's just a wild stream of humans coming to America.
It is.
Many of the stories, true to form, broke my heart.
These are people who are yearning to be free.
We heard from people from Venezuela who described that they were leaving ghost cities because 70% of the population had emptied out.
But we also found out that, you know, the first people that left Venezuela, they left years ago and they were the wealthy.
And so they went and they actually drove up the price of real estate in Panama because they were buying businesses and buildings and all that.
Then the second wave was people, you know, doctors, you know, lawyers, whatever, the next class down, they left.
So by the time I got there, we were down to the tertiary class.
We were meeting people who had never been in a school before.
There were prisoners who had been emptied out of prisons.
They were just emptying out whole swaths and sending them north at this point in time.
And what's fabulous is the head of the IOM, Amy Pope, she's like one of these childless, you know, she plays like one of those childless white women who needs a cause or something.
But she says, hey, migration is always a good thing.
And what their plan is, what they'll admit to, is they want to level things out.
In classic collectivist commies, what they do is they say, instead of figuring out how to bring up people in poor countries, they want to send them to the rich countries to bring the rich countries down, and remittances is a big part of their thing.
Literally, it's like, you know, David, I don't like how much success you're having, so I think I'm going to need part of that for myself to just level it out a little bit.
This is their stated goal, and they tell it with their sing-songy, feel-good kind of way, like watching Kathy Hochul of New York, the governor.
Talking about those poor people, black kids from Brooklyn who don't know what a computer is.
I saw the clip, and I'm like, no, this has to be CGI.
I go, oh, there's black.
First of all, she's like, New York is the leader and the best.
But we also seem to have kids who don't know what a computer is, and I'm going to identify them by race.
I cannot think of anything more, it's just bigotry of low expectations, but it's outright racism.
It is.
It is.
It's just, it's phenomenal.
So, so, so get, but here, let me connect this.
So while Amy Pope is saying all this stuff about we care about humans, first obvious question is, well, then why don't you just fly them straight in?
Second thing, when we were down in that camp, we watched women and girls.
I'm talking like seven, eight, nine-year-olds coming out and they had these little blue satchels that said IOM, UN, you know, the typical thing with the world and IOM, that's their migration agency.
And you know what was in those kits?
Those are rape kits because they knew that there was such a strong chance these girls and women were going to get raped in pretty high likelihood during that perilous, you know, 30, 40 mile walk through the jungle that they would go to the Colombian side and hand them rape kits.
It's like, listen, if you care about humans so much, it's just like trying to listen to Kathy Hochul explain why she's such a bleeding heart, great person while she's being the most racist thing you've ever seen.
The disconnect, David, between who these people present themselves to the world as.
And who they actually are couldn't be wider.
It's grotesque.
I was so offended.
Like, really?
You're displaying how much you care about people by giving girls rape kits?
How about you stop them from leaving their countries in the first place?
That might be the most humane thing.
Or something.
But this has been...
Like, we weren't there seeing, like, this thing that just developed.
This was a well-worn rut.
People would show up with these big maps showing...
Hundreds of different waypoints in between where they landed and where they finally got to the United States.
This restaurant, these places, here's where you go if you speak this language.
This is a rut, not a trail in the jungle.
This is astonishing.
It's so disgusting.
I just wanted to double-check my own memory.
They say 60-80% of the women who cross the border are raped or sexually assaulted.
Yes.
You try not to think about the human trafficking element of it.
I remember now, in hindsight, when there was the crisis in Haiti, I was not enveloped in this.
I wasn't politically interested, but I was sort of ignorant.
And I remember people talking about human trafficking out of Haiti.
And now it's like, what else could possibly explain this?
It's an invasion of a country.
Back to vaccines and disease in a second, because we're seeing outbreaks of diseases in America that we haven't seen in a while.
And they're saying it's because of anti-vax sentiment.
Others might be suggesting it's because of people coming in from countries that import these diseases.
And I'm not saying this to be mean or discriminatory.
It's just right now it's an observed fact.
The only question is what's causing it.
The human trafficking element, I can't get over and I can't get past now.
And it seems absolutely outrageous.
When you saw this, are these areas controlled by cartels, by drug gangs?
Like, who's in charge and who's law enforcement?
Well, at the places we were at, it actually was reasonably well contained once they got to the camps because the Panamanians, they have their, what's called Senna Front, which means border patrol.
And so their border patrol was there, you know, dudes in uniforms, guns and all that.
So not there, but once you got into Nicaragua, once you got up into Mexico, it's all cartel.
This is the other part they're not talking about.
When I said this is a multi-billion dollar industry, we're actively funding and encouraging the Sinaloa cartel to make bank on this stuff.
Obviously, when you have billions of dollars and desperate people and thousands of dollars per person, you're going to get all that activity.
Of course, this is just how it is.
That's part of it.
This is the part people don't talk about.
We're encouraging mass suffering and rapes.
And thievery and burglary and robbery and murder.
All of that happens as we encourage people to come up because we have a president who won't just shut the border, right?
And we had a DHS secretary who prefers to play his Holocaust card than do his job, right?
For reasons that are as yet unclear, we can discuss motives later, but it's not to help people.
And so let me get one more layer of nuance on this.
People are like, oh, you're anti-immigrant.
Like, no, my grandparents were immigrants.
Immigration is a 70-box process that takes about five years.
It has a lot of vetting, and you do it intelligently, like a landlord.
You're like, I'll just let the first person come in and rent my apartment.
No, maybe you do a credit check, see a criminal check, get some references.
You do normal adult things.
So they're trying to pretend like you're anti-immigrant.
It's like, no, no, no.
This is migration, and migration happens when a species is low on resources in one area and goes to another area.
So this is the mass migration of completely unvetted people.
Most of them, let me repeat it, are military-aged men.
Many of them come from prisons and gang affiliation areas or from areas of the world, like these Afghanis.
I'm like, has anybody noticed that we just basically destroyed their country for their entire lives of these young men?
They were in their 20s, right?
Their whole lives, the U.S. was the country that messed up their heritage, their people.
And destroyed their country, and now they're going to come in here, and what are their attitudes, potentially?
Do we know?
Right?
It's bizarre.
So, it's almost hard to form the words, because it's such a ridiculous...
Well, no, it's a backwards world, but it's fitting that this is...
These are the issues of the day in a world where people can't say a man is a man and a woman is a woman.
It's just the deconstruction of truth, and...
The demoralization of a people.
I'm only sick with the first layer of global conspiracy.
This is just to effectively get to the point of a one-world government, which is what we have.
Basically, treat all countries as if they're interchangeable, and you're going to have one government for the entire world, and you're going to have the current members, Trudeau's, hoping for a seat on some form of global government board, and may he get one.
The people are coming up.
And there is a question now as to whether or not there are outbreaks of diseases in America that haven't been seen here for a little while.
Have you been looking into that, following that, dissecting that?
Sure.
We have tuberculosis again.
That's a fun one.
There was a big outbreak recently in California.
You could probably find that pretty easily.
Communicable tuberculosis is now...
And of course, when I say unvetted, it's not just we're not checking the military and or criminal records of these people.
They're not being checked for diseases either, right?
At a time when you could get fired as a nurse for not having taken a vaccine, we were just letting these people in completely unvaccinated for all kinds of things, right?
And so, yes, tuberculosis is back in.
We're probably going to see a resurgence of all kinds of amazing things.
Including agricultural disasters like the screw worm is a very deadly thing that we got out of here.
It's very bad for cattle operations.
We were watching that start to march back north again with this mass migration.
It's not here yet, but if it is, uh-oh.
We have the bird flu in now, which is a whole other story.
But we've got tuberculosis.
Probably going to see typhus, yellow fever, all these things just coming back in again.
And we'll have to fight them.
But tuberculosis is probably the one that worries me the most.
That is a very bad disease.
I'm going to ask a stupid question.
I think I remember getting a TB shot as a kid.
Is there a vaccine that actually works that's actually a vaccine for tuberculosis or that particular type?
I believe there is, but it's also one of these cat and mouse games where I'm not clear that the TB shots you and I got will work against the strains that are now in the country.
And it develops resistance over time.
It's a bacterial infection, and bacteria have a good...
It's cat and mouse.
They're always developing ways to get around the most recent things that we've put in.
So who knows?
I don't know.
I have to investigate that more.
I don't have any data on that yet.
Now, coming a little bit back to the excess deaths, because I don't want to forget this, and I know people have questions about this.
So there were people...
Claiming, arguing there was excess deaths, and they were told no.
Then they said, okay, yes, but it's attributable to climate change, to undiagnosed COVID deaths, etc., etc.
Then there was what we're calling turbo cancer.
The term on Wikipedia is now referred to as a anti-vax COVID conspiracy theory term.
There was an article that was out there saying, you know...
Cancer has increased 40% among younger age bracket.
People share that article, but don't necessarily read that it's referring to the period leading up to at least being counted up to 2020 or 2019, which I have my theories as to why that article would be published now.
And I think it's to demonize people who share it as disinformation, but then they conveniently ignore the period of 2021 to the present.
What do you know of the stats of aggressive cancers, cancers?
Among demographics that statistically did not show those levels of cancers post-JAB, post-COVID.
So we have pretty good data out of both, and it's pretty good, but with an asterisk.
We don't collect great data in this country because we don't think we deserve it.
But the CDC wonder system will clearly show an uptick way above statistical relevance thresholds for cancers showing up in younger people as well.
We have easily identified, because they talk about it very openly, big explosions in cancer treatment expenditures, right?
Because the pharma companies can't help but crow about that.
Albert Berla of Pfizer is so excited for their most recent acquisitions because they see an explosive growth potential in these cancer modalities that they've just purchased.
And as well, we have data out of the NHS in the UK showing a large increase in these cancers post-2019.
So this is 2021, 2022, 2023.
Anecdotally, I talked to oncologists, they will tell you flat out, they're swamped, they're crushed, and they're getting these things where...
So normally, a cancer would present to a typical oncologist is a stage one, sometimes a stage two, right?
The most typical thing we're seeing now, and we've seen this for years, is oncologists saying that they have these young people showing up already at stage four.
Stage 4 colorectal, stage 4 glioblastoma, stage 4 whatevers, right?
And so that's what we're calling turbo cancer because they're presenting already with a fulminant case.
It's already stage 4, meaning it's metastasized.
And then usually your option sets are very limited.
So often the gap between diagnosis and death is just a matter of months, right?
And so that is way above trend line.
And again, if we lived in an intact, non-insane...
Caring society, we'd be all over this investigating it, but to this day, it's mostly poo-pooed and rejected, and the CDC and FDA and NIH are nowhere to be found looking at this.
Chris, I know you have a hard-out in 35 minutes, give or take.
Are there things that you can, that you specifically want to mention that I haven't asked yet, or can I invite the chat to ask questions?
Cause I know what people get frustrated because they have questions for you.
You come on and then I asked too many questions.
Do you have time?
But just, yes, I do.
But just one quick thing.
This will be just 30 seconds.
Take your time.
Just if there's other stuff, cause I, I, you know, don't even know the question to ask you yet.
Well, well, so this is all very disturbing and I just want to point out though, that I, I've served on the board of directors for the FLCCC, which is all those great doctors who have been busy figuring out that ivermectin worked.
And in fact, they have a huge set of treatment protocols now for spike protein stuff.
People can go to flccc.net or covid19critical.com.
Go there and there are things we can do.
And in particular, this is the relevance.
Paul Merrick has put up this cancer monograph talking about how to treat cancers and what It's a really important line of work.
And so the good news, such as it is, We're not spending any time trying to reform the FDA, the NIH, the CDC.
They are broken.
They're unfixable.
Burn it down.
Start over.
And so we are.
And so I just want to mention, there are groups out there I feel really good about who have figured this out.
And the good news is now we know sunlight is good for you.
Make sure your vitamin D is above 50 nanograms per ml.
Make sure you have all the appropriate supplements you mentioned in the sponsorship there.
People need nutritional density back in their lives.
We have this really bad diet, the standard American diet, the brown foods, but it's just strip-mined of essential micronutrients, etc.
There are things people can do.
And so that's the good news.
People have started to wake up, organize around this and go, oh, you know, pretty much everything my government has told me, the food pyramid, you know, go to your doctor and, you know, they'll give you shots and pills.
That's a broken model.
I'm not saying throw all of the babies out with the bathwater, but most of them.
We can take charge of this again.
Now, it might not be your expertise, but I'll ask it anyhow because I know a lot of people have this question.
Treatment for those who are not necessarily vax injured, but concerned.
A lot of people, you know, they get the shot and they're worried about spike proteins, etc.
I've heard a lot of stuff out there that people tout as being treatments, remedies.
I don't know.
Anything from a hole in the wall?
Anything specifically, you know, demonstrably known to work?
Likely to work?
Not harmful if you decide to try it in any event?
Like, what could people do who are concerned about that?
Yeah, absolutely.
So this feeds right in.
Go to something called the iRecover protocol and take a look at that and read it.
And it's not just something you just sort of like take every supplement on there, but just sort of look down.
Here's my view.
Everybody who got the shot.
It's not like there's a, you were injured or you weren't, you know?
Luck of the draw.
I think everybody has some sort of a response across the curve, and somewhere we draw the line and call that injured, but everybody had some response to that.
Second, we now know, this is really disturbing to me, shedding is a real thing.
People who get the vaccine for a period of time afterwards shed the, we don't know what, but something.
Is it spike itself?
Is it the mRNA through the exosomes?
We don't know.
But it's something.
It's a real thing.
To the extent that people are listening to this and you know somebody in your family who's still like, booster Sally, you know, I'm due for my next and goes and gets it.
If you know somebody who's getting those, here's a tip.
Do not take long car rides with them.
Do not put yourself in enclosed proximity with somebody who's just been boosted.
I wouldn't anymore.
So, not medical advice, but I'm giving you my own personal point of view on that, which is...
You can't be around those folks while they're in the active shedding mode.
Lots of data coming out about that.
But again, all this data is because plucky individual doctors who have a little spare time on their hands somehow are starting to assemble this information.
I'm going to stop you just on the shedding because people are going to hear that and they're going to think you're crazy.
And I'm not saying this judgmentally at all.
They're going to say because nobody's ever heard of the term shedding until...
Anti-vax conspiracy theorists started using it now, but it's a concept that's been around for decades, correct?
Shedding?
Oh, absolutely.
Oh, absolutely.
It's a known safety package insert for people who have certain genetic therapies that they know that shedding is a thing.
And so there's warnings on there, black box labels about what you can and can't do after you've received other modalities.
So it's a thing.
We communicate with each other.
We're constantly pushing stuff out.
If you want to see the definitive Substack on this, it's by a credible doctor called a Midwestern doctor on Substack.
He has a huge review of shedding.
And again, it's not like it's it's like what we know, what we don't know.
This is it.
Make of that what you will.
A Midwestern doctor?
Yeah, just incredible stuff on his substack, but one of them is about shedding.
It's a big, long, meaty piece for people who like their data, and he references everything, tells you what we know, what we don't know, but he's very clear.
It's really solid thinking.
Fantastic.
Now, what's the title of Chris's book over his left shoulder from Roostang on our Locals community?
But Barnes always...
Go for it.
This is my seminal work.
It's called The Crash Course.
I wrote this.
This has a bestseller on it now because we cracked that on the Wall Street Journal.
This looks at economy, energy, environment.
There's such a big story there about how we're really actually on a fully unsustainable course as a species.
This book changes lives.
People, when they read this, often make big changes.
I wrote the book.
This is my home studio, and right outside there are seven cows and 30 chickens and fruit trees and vines in a garden, because that's my conclusion of one possible response is better get prepared and be resilient.
Be self-sufficient, yeah.
All right.
I don't want to...
That's not a plausible alternative for a great many people, so it might not be the most helpful one, but Allie Michael in our local community says, Chris...
Hey, Chris, what do you think about or know about the J&J vaccine?
So Johnson& Johnson, as far as I recall, was pulled in the UK.
It was paused in Canada.
I don't want to say anything incorrect because they had an issue where there was a 40-some-odd-year-old woman who died of a clot, and I'm fairly certain they suspended it in Canada, but I'll check that while you speak.
What's your take on the J&J?
What's the status as far as you know of it now?
It's junk.
Nobody should take it.
It's no bueno, but it's just, again, As we talked about, it's got the complete spike protein in an adenovirus vector, which means they put it into an inactivated virus.
It gets into your body and starts reproducing, but it's reproducing with some new instructions, which includes the whole spike protein.
No bueno.
So there's no reason for it.
Surprisingly, though, what's interesting is that this vaccine, out of all of them, actually showed a positive...
Effectiveness benefit back when we had what we call COVID.
So people say, oh, you know, COVID as if it's a thing, right?
I watched Dr. Jha recently say, oh, you know, we showed the vaccine is good to fight COVID.
It's like, dude, we didn't have COVID.
We had alpha, then we had beta.
Delta was a real beast.
Delta was a clinical beast, but it got outcompeted in November of 21, December of 21 by Omicron.
Which is a totally different thing.
And that's, you know, we can't say COVID like it's one thing.
Delta is not the same as Omicron.
Totally not.
I just made myself very, very angry because they pulled these jabs from the market barely.
And I would say barely two years at best and maybe within a year.
Which is the exact reason for which these things needed to be tested for more time than they were.
They brought them out onto the market, said they're safe and effective and shut your mouth, you filthy anti-vaxxer, and then discreetly pulled them.
Chris, do you remember the other ones that were pulled?
I can't remember their names, but they were lesser known.
AstraZeneca was paused or pulled pretty early also.
Johnson& Johnson.
They're pulled within a year or two because they didn't do proper testing, but they tell you that they were safe and effective and they were still successful.
I quoted the CNN article and I posted to Twitter, the successful vaccine.
And then you get to the end of the article, oh yeah, Moderna or AstraZeneca is facing a class action lawsuit because of all the death that occurred from it.
It's enraging.
I'm sorry, that was just a rant.
Well, it is.
And the way I look at it is they pulled J&J, AstraZeneca in various markets when they had like a handful of cases.
I think there was like eight.
Eight, maybe nine cases, mostly in women, who had gotten these clots, and they're like, oh, that's a safety signal.
We have tens of thousands of deaths on the mRNAs, and still they can't manage to make an association there, right?
And so it's clear they wanted us to get the mRNAs, period.
That was the whole thing.
And J&J and AstraZeneca are getting some...
This is the trickle-truthing, right?
Let the little steam out.
They're making these the fall guys.
Like, oh yes, these vaccines were bad.
No, no.
They were all bad, but the mRNAs were way worse.
Mighty Pay in our locals wants me to ask you this.
Viva, please ask Chris if he works with or communicates with Ethical Skeptic from Twitter.
Well, we follow each other, but I haven't worked with Ethical Skeptic directly, no.
What about the mRNA snuck into foods?
This is from David Bowie 250 on Rumble.
Chris, this is another one where I started off thinking, well, that's a little, you know, they're going to get us with the jabs by giving it to cows and etc.
You put out a piece earlier or recently about the H5N1 and whether or not we need to worry because it's in animals.
That's a two-part question.
First things first.
In as much as shedding sounded crazy and conspiratorial because people didn't know that as a concept and as a thing it existed for decades, the risk of them getting us through our food, I know how you feel about it, but flesh it out for people.
This, I mean, less clear to me.
So mRNA vaccinations, they're pushing this hard into the veterinary side of things.
So they have a porcine, a pig, mRNA vaccination schedule, and all this.
So they're pushing hard.
They think it's just like, you know.
The most amazing invention ever.
So for whatever reason, they really want to get it in there.
I think what we're talking about is they talked about how they could actually create lettuce to grow it.
It's been genetically modified so that it's going to start creating these things that would then be our, somehow we would eat our vaccinations, something like that.
I haven't seen that, that that's made it through the, into the food source yet, that particular angle of it.
So those two things, but yes, they're giving these mRNA.
Vaccinations to cows and pigs at this point in time.
All right.
And now the H5N1, which they're slowly, subtly, but gradually revealing as the next great fear.
I mean, I think I know what I've understood about it, but what's the state or status of H5N1 avian?
Is it avian or swine?
That's an avian flu.
It's called a highly pathogenic avian influenza, an HPAI.
So some people often see that little abbreviation there.
Here's the fun thing.
If you want to really scare yourself, read Bobby Kennedy's book, The Wuhan Cover-Up, right?
And it's just terrifying, right?
Fully resourced and referenced and all that.
And it's just clear that before humans decided to start monkeying around with these viruses, we didn't have these viruses.
We had no coronavirus outbreaks, no pandemics before Ralph Baric and his crew started messing around with these things starting about 1998.
We had none.
Now we do.
And you look at these things and you discover, oh, that came out of a lab.
H5N1 is very much that same story to me.
In the United States, they'd always been worried about, whoa, what would happen if this thing crossed out of birds?
That's the avian part.
What would happen if this crossed out of birds into mammals?
That could be bad.
So, well, why wait for that?
So they go into their labs and they start trying to see if they can make this thing cross into mammals, right?
The first time we really started doing that...
Here in the United States was at the Spurl, S-P-E-R-L, down in Augusta, Georgia.
And that was in 2021.
And they were working hard.
Can we get this to go from ducks into mammals?
And wouldn't you know it, eight months later, it shows up in ducks out in the southeast that they blamed on migratory pathways because that's what they like to do.
And then just months later, it's now in cows, foxes, Bears and cats.
So it made the mammal jump.
Surprise!
Months after, it looks like maybe we lost control of it.
Maybe.
I don't know.
But if we were, again, an intact culture, they would take the genetic sequence from that.
They'd look at what these people were doing in the lab, and they would look at those two things.
I mean, that's why the Wuhan cover-up is such a scary book.
It has a whole chapter on how many times have humans lost these things out of labs.
And it's not like once.
Dozens of times.
Right?
Because, hey, I was a graduate student.
Mondays were a little rough if we had a big kegger that weekend.
You're in your bio level three.
You jab yourself with something.
You forget to do something.
You knock something over.
It happens, right?
So it's just terrifying.
Living again backwards.
Do you remember back in the day they said COVID initiated or originated from someone eating a pangolin?
And then you had all these videos of Chinese people eating bats and all this crap.
That's what we were led to believe.
The book, RFK's book, The Wuhan cover-up.
That's a recent book, because the last one I listened to from him was The Real Anthony Fauci, which was terrifying and inspirating enough.
Yeah, this is more recent than that.
It's got a bright red cover, and it came out last year, I think.
I don't know when he finds the time.
I mean, this thing was just extensively researched.
But yeah, it's terrifying that way.
So yeah, here's the point.
So when they tell us about disease X and, oh no, there's going to be another pandemic, it's like, well, is that a threat or a promise, right?
And the point here is that we really shouldn't be playing around with these things.
We should not be doing these experiments in labs.
The risk benefit never pays off.
There's not one single example where they've managed to give us a better treatment because they experimented with this thing and then a natural zoonotic.
Crossover spillout happened.
That's not how this works at this point at all.
Chris, Missy McDougall in Local says, Viva, ask what blood test we can get to find out what level of spike proteins we have.
Are there blood tests that can indicate those things, Chris?
I have no idea.
There are.
And so one of the first ones people would get would just be an antibody titer to find out.
How much spike protein you might have is, so the antibody is directed against the spike protein.
If your body is still manufacturing spike, it will also be manufacturing these antibodies.
And so there are tests that can be done there.
Pierre Corey works with, you know, his clinical practice does this.
There are a variety of clinical practices out there now that will routinely run that.
And I'll just give some, these are just, you know, the numbers are meaningless, but normal people would have a zero on this scale.
And by the time you get up to like 20 or 30 on this scale, you've got a pretty bad problem.
They're seeing people with hundreds and even thousands are the readings.
And now if you get a reading that's really off the charts, like, okay, we're going to have to treat you for spike protein issues.
And so that would be a good piece of data to get right away.
Antonius707 says, Hey Viva, ask Chris if his colleagues have found any illness that ivermectin doesn't work for.
Chris had mentioned someone in India I think has been researching this.
That's new to me.
I mean, look, we know the word ivermectin, but what does it actually do?
I don't have a clue.
It's like it probably will make your chrome on your car shinier.
I don't know.
It's like it's amazing.
So one of the things, the FLCCC had a big conference in Phoenix this past, when was that?
February.
And they brought on Dr. Ruddy, Kathleen Ruddy, and she was talking about how she's been having extraordinary success with ivermectin treating cancers.
And she had this case.
It was a gentleman.
He was young, in his 30s, and he showed up at his doctor with stage 4 prostate cancer.
It's down an arm, it's all in his body, it's everywhere.
And the doctor said, You know, put your affairs in order.
You got weeks, maybe a month or two.
Somehow he gets associated with Dr. Ruddy.
She puts him on ivermectin.
And this guy walked on the stage 18 months later, apparently cancer-free, right?
And so she's been having success, not against all cancers.
This is like cancer is a lot of different things, right?
Blood cancers are different from hard tumor cancers and stuff that's inside the brain is harder to get to because of the blood-brain barrier, et cetera.
But for a lot of these hard tumors that are not in the brain, she's been having extraordinary success with it.
Then when she actually said, you know, is this weird?
No, the NIH knew about this 15 years ago, and they've been slow rolling and blocking the studies of ivermectin on cancer.
But now people have figured it out and started to do that.
So it somehow re-regulates your immune system to begin doing the things it's doing.
That's what it seems to be doing.
So the spike protein apathy is really an immune dysregulation.
It causes your cells.
To behave in ways that are not appropriate.
An asthma attack is an immune dysregulation, right?
An anaphylactic reaction, immune dysregulation, important to get it re-regulated.
And for the most part, cancers, when they do arise, that's an immune dysregulation because all of us have cancer all the time in our bodies.
See it and snipe it and take it out.
Viva, ask him.
I don't need to read the instructions.
I'll just read the question.
In your experience, Chris, how many people do you know that have used or are using ivermectin that they got from a horse saddlery, is that the word, when it wasn't available?
Well, first of all, nobody's doing that anymore.
the FDA, the ever trusted institution, settled its court filing there and now was supposed to have deleted all of its posts, demonizing ivermectin among the most safest and miraculous Chris, we're living backwards again.
Do you remember when they prohibited use of ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine as over-the-counter or alternative-label treatments?
How do you account for that except egregious corruption?
I think it all comes down to money.
Immigration, pharma.
Whether or not it's depopulation, it all comes down to money.
How do you make sense of that?
And how do you ever come back from that without, what is the word?
Dissolving these corrupt institutions.
Dissolving.
I like that.
Euphemistically polite.
That's a good one.
Remember, I mentioned actually my subspecialties in toxicology.
So, in toxicology, we're always investigating one thing, which is, you know, everything is a poison at a certain level.
Drink too much water, you die.
So, the question isn't, is something safe?
The question is, where's its therapeutic profile?
Where's its window?
So, I actually investigated, and unfortunately, I didn't have to because a brilliant toxicologist named Jacques Ducote, French guy, he looked at everything you needed to know about ivermectin, put up this paper about it, and went through 500 separate papers.
And I couldn't believe what I was seeing because I'd studied a lot of drug and pharmacokinetics in my day.
I've never seen anything this safe, like way safer than Tylenol, way safer than aspirin, a therapeutic index of mile wide, meaning this is the dose at which you get some benefit.
And here's the dose at which you're starting to get toxicological impacts.
This thing was just more than a mile wide.
In fact, there was one case where a woman tried to commit suicide and she was very ineffective because she ate ivermectin.
She took 400 times the actual dose she was supposed to take, so they took her to the hospital, she was fine, and they let her go a couple days later.
So, it's just an amazingly safe substance.
So, back to your question.
If you know something is that safe, as a doctor, your decision matrix is pretty simple.
It's like, well, I either give it or I don't give it.
And it either works or it doesn't work.
Well, if it doesn't work, it had no...
Benefit, you know, nothing happened.
It's like totally safe, but it doesn't work.
Well, the outcome is that, well, that was neutral.
It was just a waste of effort.
It didn't work out.
But if it does work and you give it, well, then you either save lives or improve outcomes.
The real harm comes when it works and you don't give it.
And we know it works.
And we've known it's worked for a long time.
We had epidemiological country-level data.
We had individual case reports.
We had studies.
It was one of the most widely studied clinical things.
The therapeutic index on this thing is extraordinary.
You know what?
They were afraid of it because I think it doesn't just work against COVID.
I think it works against all kinds of virological things.
Therefore, it's a category killer and it's going to hurt pharma profits.
There's some CFO crying over his spreadsheet with fewer zeros on it if ivermectin gets out there.
What was the...
I can't remember.
It wasn't Paxlovid.
It was the one that they were treating COVID with in the early stages.
The toxic...
Molnupiravir.
That one was nasty.
No, I don't think it was that one.
What was another one that...
I want to say Fauci or Pfizer had an interest in.
Come on.
Oh, Remdesivir?
Remdesivir.
That was it.
Oh, that stuff killed people straight up.
That was a death potion.
It was amazing.
It's perfectly analogous to what was done with H...
TZ during the AIDS pandemic?
I forget what that one was called.
When you talk about the comparative risk factor of ivermectin versus remdesivir, what was the death rate among remdesivir once administered?
It's like closing in on 25%.
It was really bad.
And then they write that off as they were too far gone with COVID and it had nothing to do with the treatment.
Oh, they called it a COVID death, right?
But it's astonishing.
We had hospitals that were running that ventilator plus remdesivir combo, and they were incentivized.
They got $39,000 if they put people on a ventilator.
They got extra money if they died.
They got extra money if they put them on remdesivir.
So all these incentives for really corrupt, immoral hospitals to run that program, so they did that.
Some of these hospitals at the height of the COVID pandemic, which was really a ventilator remdesivir pandemic, they were losing up to 25% to 30% of the people who You know, got wheeled into the death centers.
We'll call that an ICU, right?
Meanwhile, down in Houston, Dr. Joseph Verone was running a hospital mostly for, you know, people could be indigent or they could pay and whatever.
And his death rate was the lowest in the nation.
And they shipped him some of the worst patients, people who were like being killed in other places, you know, loving family members would put them on a plane, get them to him.
So they were already in pretty bad shape.
And he still had the lowest death rate by.
Because you just did actual supportive care and did what worked.
And so it's really important to understand just how gross this was.
This wasn't like, oh, pandemic, fog of war, we didn't know.
Listen, very easy to call up another doctor and say, why is your death rate one quarter of mine?
Why am I killing three times as many people as you?
That's an easy conversation to have.
Lily in America says, how do you approach your doctor for an antibody test?
I mean, if you ask for a COVID or a spike antibody test, they'll know what you mean?
Most of them won't.
And many of them probably won't know how to cover that within their billing codes.
You're going to have to go to somebody who actually knows how to run that.
It's not hard.
Maybe your doctor knows.
Maybe they don't know.
But plenty of labs are actually running that test now.
It's just...
The doctors, in order to administer the test, have to admit that maybe that's a thing, and then they have to back up and admit maybe they were wrong, and now you're up against your doctor's ego.
So maybe you've got a good doctor, maybe you don't.
I don't know.
Fiddlewitch says, if ivermectin was a cure, they would have had to dump the PrEP Act and all of its money and control for sure, and the check on remdesivir.
This is from Missy McDougall.
How do we get our doctor to prescribe it for you?
If it is harmless, it might be good to take some...
Well, this is not to plug...
The wellness company, but they've got their kit, the Contagion kit, which has ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine, I think.
It's a prescription, so you've got to fill out some forms online.
That's not the sponsor of the day, but they have it, so you can get it from TWC.com, and while you're there, promo code VIVA.
Is it easy to get ivermectin, or do you get the stink eye from a doctor who thinks you're a crazy person if you ask for it?
Well, it's, of course, easy in civilized countries.
I'm talking about Mexico.
El Salvador and Costa Rica.
You just walk in.
It's called Ivermectina.
You buy it.
There's a couple of states now where it's over-the-counter.
There's that as well.
It should be dead simple to get it, but there are still holdout pharmacists who won't fill a prescription, which is not something they're allowed to do, but they've somehow taken up the moral mantle of preventing people from taking this awful thing because they should lose their licenses.
It kind of depends.
It's still, you know, now that Chris Cuomo's talked about it, we're going to see a big releasing of this, and it shouldn't be that hard to get at this stage.
Now, I don't want to sink everyone into a panic, but you've been ringing the bell and sounding the alarm on COVID from before many people were.
Now you're ringing the alarm, or at least sounding the alarm, on the open border immigration crisis.
Where do you see this going within the next year or so?
And do you see something of the Black Swan event before November 2024?
Oh, come on.
We can all feel it.
There's something muscular stalking the land.
And yes, I'm like everybody.
I'm just sort of waiting for that shoe to drop.
I don't know what the spark is going to be.
Remember, they were like, oh, World War I. That's because that Archduke got shot in that motor car on that day, right?
Actually, there was a big pile of dry tinder, and that was the spark.
So I see that dry tinder in today's landscape.
It's around all kinds of things.
We're on rumble, so I can say this.
It's very clearly obvious that our election system is not an election system.
It's a selection system.
It's completely rigged.
People were pretty unhappy about that last time.
We call that J6.
They were right to be unhappy about it because it was clearly, obviously, statistically impossible what happened.
And so you have to be a moron to not understand what really went on.
Could that be the spark?
Is it the election?
Is it just some financial thing?
Because the United States is broke.
I mean, we're just carrying on sending billions to Ukraine as if it just grows on trees and all that.
So who knows?
I don't know what the spark is going to be.
That's why, again, my work at Peak Prosperity is helping people understand how to become resilient.
And this isn't like putting beans in the basement.
It could be that.
But honestly, emotional resilience, spiritual resilience are the most important things we can have right now.
Being financially secure as much as possible, it helps, right?
But honestly, it's your communities and how well you know people and the skills you have.
Those are going to be some of the most important determinants of people's futures, I think, going forward.
It's something I discovered, realized, and truly felt is that a network of people that you can trust is the most, it's an intangible, but the most valuable asset you can possibly have.
Because people say, hoard Bitcoin and gold.
But when people are struggling for if and when, for water and food, well, it's tough to entice somebody to take a piece of gold for food when that gold will be useful in a month, but food is useful tonight.
So you've sold everything or you've moved up into an isolated area.
The chat wants to know what kind of cows and what's the other avatar here?
What do you have on the farm?
What type of animals?
Oh, so...
Our three big, so we have the cows because they're actually our soil management specialists.
We had a field that really needed to be brought back up.
So cows, they're geniuses at it.
And so we have three, what are called belties.
They're belted galloways.
They're the Oreo cows.
They got a white middle and two black ends and they're big beef steer.
And then we just got four dwarf cows.
The big cows, they're lovely.
They're sweet animals.
We scritch them on the head, but man, they're 1100 pounds.
You know, if they step on your foot, they.
They're cows.
They can't connect your screaming with their foot.
It's a hazard.
So we got these little dwarf cows, and they are a milking breed, and their shoulders come up just past my hip.
I mean, they're smaller.
So still 400 pounds, but in a pinch, I could move this thing off my foot, and they just seem a lot more manageable.
So we got that.
Every year, we usually get two or three pigs.
We'll probably get some this year.
They only last out through the fall.
Before we put those in the freezer.
Yes, it's a farm.
This is what we do.
And then we have about 30 chickens, different breeds, but those are for eggs.
And love having the girls around.
They're some of our best assets there.
So yeah, that's what we got in a few farm cats.
Sounds like a small piece of paradise.
Now, let me ask you this.
I know you got to go and I want to say our proper goodbyes afterwards.
I don't remember if I asked you this last time.
Are you a religious man?
I am now.
And if I may ask you, because it's not biblical, but I got the serenity prayer on the back of my phone.
Do you have a passage that is specifically or especially meaningful or insightful for you?
One in particular.
It's really the concept that ears to hear, eyes to see.
Everything is out there for us to see.
People have to open their hearts.
Be willing to really let what they are seeing and hearing land on them as it really is.
It's kind of, to mix things up, Maya Angelou said, when people show you who they are, believe them the first time.
I think we have all the data we need to see that evil is stalking the land.
Evil likes to destroy things.
It likes to wreck things.
And I think, yes, the more I've been reading, I grew up Protestant.
Church was Christmas, Easter.
That was it.
No Sunday school.
So I never really went through the Bible.
Now I am.
And it's amazing as I flip through it, I'm like, oh, humans have done this before.
We've been here.
Yes, we've done this many times.
And so that's what I see going on right now is humans going through a very, very old story.
We're recreating it again.
And honestly, you know what threw me to this?
It was a tweet.
Somebody said, Because I'd been resisting it for a while and I'd read Naomi Wolf's stuff.
This tweet said, I have turned to God, not because God made himself known to me, but because evil did.
And if you believe that evil is out there, well then the opposite of evil must also exist.
And that really landed on me because I'm really struggling, like you and I have been struggling the same, like how do we make sense of this?
Is it money?
Is it this?
These people are killing people.
For fun and profit.
Or maybe I can't know if it's fun, but they're doing it.
And they're doing it callously and carelessly.
And I can't make sense of that.
And then when I think about it as evil, with evil's intention is to just wreck stuff.
It likes to ruin.
It likes to break things down.
It prefers death over life.
Well, I can tell you that I see these people now.
I don't have to try and make sense of them because they are literally a death cult.
I'm over here.
I want to be part of the life cult, you know?
So I think that's the great separation that's happening right now, and people are probably experiencing that in their friends, family, neighbors, co-workers.
But once you see it, it's very hard to unsee it, and that's where I am now.
Last question.
Someone in the community asked, do you think more people are being woken up, or the requisite amount of people are being woken up?
Well, yes.
So in the Bible, the prophet Isaiah is running around, Trying to warn people about some great troubles that were about to come as they went from a good king to a ne 'er-do-well son.
And so hard times are coming.
And in that story, there's this parable of the remnant.
These are the people who are capable of hearing that troubles are coming.
And they have a responsibility because they're the remnant.
And so our job as the missionaries in this story is to just let other people know that people think this way.
Because they need to know that.
And I don't know if the remnant ever gets to a critical mass, but they are the people who do the cleanup operation and do the rebuilding once this thing burns itself out.
So that's how I see it now, that if you can hear, if you have the ears to hear, you're part of the tribe.
We all have to belong.
We have to find each other.
There's no one right way.
I'm not saying everybody's got to get cows and chickens, but find the thing that resonates with you and surround yourself with good people, high integrity.
That's what COVID did.
It burned down.
The forest of intellectual frauds and moral cowards and left a few people standing.
And so those are the people we need to gather around, like yourself and Barnes and Malone and all the other names mentioned.
It's been the only, not the only, but it's been one of the biggest silver linings.
You lose some friends, but you meet some minds.
And that's more value added in the long run.
Chris, this is your Peak Prosperity website?
It is.
It is.
And hey, there's our summit coming up.
We have an annual gathering.
It's going to be in New Hampshire this year, those dates.
And that's when we get people together, put the phones in a Faraday cage and have the real conversations.
Peakprosperity.com.
It's just the way it's spelled.
I'm going to put it in the pinned comment right after we're done with this.
And where else?
Twitter?
Twitter?
At Chris Martinson.
M-A-R-T-E-N-S-O-N.
That's the name.
So yeah, that's where you find me.
Amazing.
Chris?
Thank you, as always, and let's do this whenever you get the chance.
The door is always open, and you're always welcome.
Thank you.
Thank you.
I feel like we just scratched the surface, but I've got to run.
I know.
It's like 90 minutes.
We'll take it up.
I'll end this.
We'll say our proper goodbyes.
Everyone out there, I'll put the links up in a second.
Thank you for being here.
Peeps.
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