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March 7, 2024 - Viva & Barnes

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Journalist Steve Baker ARRESTED for Documenting Jan. 6 - Viva Frei Live

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	so so
	so so
	so so so
	so Do you hear me?
	Uh-oh.
	Well, then, if you hear me, that means you can hear me even when my mic is off.
	Good thing I wasn't doing anything embarrassing.
	Okay, so that's one test.
	Let's see what's going on here.
	This is my bird call, by the way.
	We lost it.
	Yeah, we're going to turn this off because I think we've got enough out of this.
	Yeah, we're going to turn this off.
	Oh, it changed keys?
	Okay, we're done with that.
	Let's play this now.
	See how this goes.
	Oh, that's my...
	Here we go.
	I understand your testimony.
	We're talking about this afterwards.
	That's correct.
	That's correct.
	Were you ever in D.C. at the same time as Mr. Wade on personal or business?
	No, me and Mr. Wade have not been to D.C. at the same time.
	However, since Mr. Wade has been on this case, he's been to D.C. Since Mr. Wade has been on this case, I've been to D.C. What has not happened is we have not been in the District of Columbia at the same time.
	Now, the only thing I'm not sure about was what you asked me.
	If I've been to D.C. personally, because I've got a lot of personal friends in that area, but I know that I...
	Well, if you can hear me, I may as well just bring myself in.
	I did an interview at Howard University.
	I went to D.C. for that.
	Seems like I've been to D.C. one other time.
	Oh, I went to D.C. for the Global Summit.
	Global Summit.
	Yeah, those were two separate trips.
	My next question is based on her opening the door, and therefore I'll just ask it and your honor can decide whether or not it's appropriate.
	When you went to D.C., did you go to the White House?
	No.
	I did not go to the White House.
	Well, apparently I'm going to get the answer anyhow.
	There you have it.
	Next question.
	Okay.
	When you went to D.C., did you go to the White House?
	I did not go to the White House.
	Well, apparently I'm going to get the answer anyhow.
	There you have it.
	Next question.
	There you have it.
	All right.
	We're going to close that.
	So, yeah, I'm trying studio again.
	I'm going to tinker with this.
	Oops.
	Hold on a second.
	And see that everything is good.
	I don't know if it's going to affect the microphone.
	You guys all heard me.
	My goodness, that could have been...
	I say it couldn't have been bad because what would I have been doing?
	I'm an innocent boy.
	You wouldn't have been here.
	Oh, gosh.
	What I was going to say is this.
	Before I even get into the stream, now the stupid thing is one minute behind.
	We're testing out Rumble...
	Not testing Rumble.
	I'm using Rumble Studio with a guest.
	And I'm...
	They want feedback.
	I'm giving feedback.
	And we're going to make sure that this is the best possible product on Earth.
	Before we get into that, I'm sitting here debating things.
	I have my moles on the inside who, you know, give me the inside scoop.
	I'm not community note approved.
	I haven't applied and I don't care to be part of community notes.
	But it would seem that whenever you get a really viral tweet, a really viral tweet that's accurate and extremely damning against the Democrat and capital D Democrat apparatus, that whenever you get one of those, that it gets community noted.
	For the most horse crap of reasons.
	Now, I want to bring up the screen grab without disclosing my source.
	Hold on a second.
	What the heck is going on, Matt?
	Do I not get access to the same...
	I won't share it to you.
	There's a community note pending on that post that you just saw.
	And the community note, and I shall read from the community note.
	Hold on, bring it up here.
	The community note is that...
	Did I lose the community note?
	I might have lost the community note.
	No, I didn't hear what it is.
	Okay, good.
	Notes suggesting context to be shown with this post.
	Remember the post that you just saw?
	I might have to bring it back up again because we need to hear exactly what Fanny Willis said.
	It says that my...
	You know what?
	I got to get the whole tweet up.
	Hold on one second.
	Here we go.
	Let's bring this.
	Bada bing, bada boom.
	We're going to share the screen again and see how I can work this.
	It suggests that the tweet is false because Fannie Willis didn't go to the White House.
	She went to the vice president's residence for a party, which is not the White House.
	How do I share the screen here?
	Share screen.
	Yeah.
	Read my tweet, by the way, because I think, like, you know, when their brains start melting because, holy crap, they've been caught in a perjurous, potentially, lie.
	During your testimony, Fannie Willis specifically and categorically denied having visited the White House when she was in D.C. Remember, I was there twice.
	I forget to give an interview at Howard University or whatever the hell that was.
	And for the DC summit, which also was not at the vice president's residence, from what I can tell.
	This means that Fannie not only lied under oath, but lied about having visited the White House because she was clearly colluding with the Biden administration and the political persecution of Trump AL.
	This is beyond disqualification and for cost of interest.
	This is government election interference.
	This is light years beyond the Russiagate hoax.
	Pure criminality that attacks the very fabric of these United States of America.
	The irony is that she didn't even have to answer the question because there was an objection to it.
	And it's based on her opening the door.
	And therefore, I'll just ask the university.
	I went to D.C. for that.
	D.C. for Howard University?
	Seems like I've been to D.C. one other time.
	Oh, I went to D.C. for the Global Summit.
	D.C. Global Summit.
	Yeah, those were two separate trips.
	Did you go to the White House?
	Decide whether or not it's appropriate.
	Did you go to the White House?
	I did not go to the White House.
	I did not go to the White House.
	Oh, and Community Notes is going to say no, she was telling the truth there because she went to the Vice President's residence where she had to log in with the White House, have her attendance taken, attendance for this event.
	Oh, she didn't go to the White House.
	She went to the Vice President's residence for a party.
	And when she said that she'd only been there twice and that she didn't go to the White House, it was totally truthful.
	Horse crap.
	Oh, did you go to the White House?
	Nope.
	I met with Joe Biden at Lafayette Park.
	Did you go to the White House?
	Nope.
	I went to Air Force One.
	I didn't go to the White House.
	Oh, geez, Louise, Steve is in the house and has been looking at me.
	Steve, can you see me?
	Sorry, I realized that when I bring down the tweet, it brings up the guest right away.
	Am I wrong or am I right, Steve?
	No, it doesn't matter.
	I'm debating how to deal with that community note draft.
	It hasn't been approved yet.
	A load of crap.
	The community notes have been weaponized into spin machines.
	Did you go to the White House?
	No.
	Oh, I forgot to mention I attended a party at the Vice President's residence.
	There were 450 other people.
	It was innocuous.
	That's why I lied about the answer.
	Okay.
	Steve, I'm sorry.
	I didn't mean to bring you in so quickly.
	How goes the battle?
	Oh, well.
	We are fully engaged.
	Let's just say that.
	We are going to take it to them.
	I think people now have an idea as to who you are who might not have known before, but you're a well-known, well-respected journalist, recently hired at The Blaze, but been doing journalism for a little bit of time.
	For those who may not have known who you are before this incident, 30,000-foot overview.
	Yeah, I had actually been a lifelong...
	I'm a professional musician.
	I've always been that.
	That's been my career.
	I've made most of my income in my lifetime through the music business in one form or the other, either live performance or artist management, concert promotions, things of that nature.
	But I have been writing as, you know, it was kind of my hobby for a while.
	Back when, you know, when the internet first got going and we had little things like CompuServe and Prodigy and AOL, and then all of that began to, it turned into MySpace and I had my first blog.
	You know, I was using the MySpace platform as my first blog and growing my following from there.
	Obviously, we all migrated over to Facebook.
	Facebook actually became a blog.
	Now I'm on Locals.
	As you are, I believe.
	And then when we got to the COVID situation, because my hobby had become my side hustle, basically.
	And then when we got to the COVID situation and they locked us down, I wasn't allowed to perform for a year and a half.
	The government literally took away about five or six streams of income from me.
	Like that.
	And so, you know, when two weeks to flatten the curve became two months, and then I realized that two months could easily be two years, I moved my journalistic endeavors over to the captain's seat and my musical career over to the co-pilot's seat.
	And then Blaze came along.
	Okay.
	Now, you do have a southern accent, if I'm not mistaken?
	Yeah.
	I live in North Carolina, where I've lived for 30 years, but I'm from Shreveport, Louisiana, originally.
	Very nice.
	Okay.
	And so, okay, so the evolution, I mean, so you're, I say, I don't want to say new to journalism, but you've been doing this for a bit of a while, but independently.
	Yes, yes.
	Yeah, it's definitely not a new endeavor.
	As I said, most of my work has been political commentary and analysis, that sort of thing.
	But I also have a background in investigations.
	I don't know if you hear that bell.
	I don't know if that's me or somebody else.
	It's not on my end, but it's not disturbing.
	Okay.
	I think it's over anyway.
	The commentary part of me has been going on for about 25 years.
	My father was a private investigator.
	When I would be out touring with bands and I would come home, I would work for my father as an investigator.
	As my journalistic endeavors began to become better known and the size of my blog following and social media following began to grow, I was able to dedicate more time kind of bringing that other side of my brain and background and training and fusing that together up until the point where once I was actually Following January 6th trial cases and witnessing,
	let's just call them the anomalies in certain testimonies, that unlike the other, you know, DC-based media...
	They didn't seem to be interested in those anomalies.
	I think I heard you and Barnes talking the other day about, why don't you guys just admit that you're stenographers for the regime?
	Because that's what I was witnessing.
	I was witnessing a lot of journalists in that media room during the nine-week first Oath Keepers trial that I covered every single day of.
	And I was watching them pre-write their stories and then sit around and, you know...
	Have coffee, chat, go out in the hall, whatever.
	And I'm just intent on the monitors that we had from the courtroom, the video and audio feed that we had.
	And then when it came time to actually ask the hard questions about things that were happening in that trial, they didn't.
	And then I did.
	Well, and that's when you started getting some of the attention.
	So let's back it up to January 6th or even maybe January 5th, 2021.
	Was it 2021?
	It was 2021.
	Yeah, 2021.
	Oh my goodness.
	Time flies when you're documenting corruption.
	How did you end up down there?
	How did you end up in DC for that event?
	Well, again, this was during the lockdown, so I had a lot of free time on my hand.
	So, as I said, when I moved my journalistic endeavors over to the captain's seat of my life, this was during a period where I had the time to do this.
	I had the time to go and literally relocate, basically, and live in D.C. for nine straight weeks.
	To cover that trial.
	Now, my interest in that trial happened because when I started reviewing charging statements and statements of fact and criminal complaints of certain individuals, different January 6th related cases, but more specifically, when I really started focusing on the characters involved with the Oath Keepers,
	I was incensed what I was reading because I was literally reading in these documents flat-out lies that the government or the FBI affiant or whatever was saying about these defendants.
	They made charges against them.
	This is how the DOJ works.
	The DOJ...
	Radically, hyperbolically overcharges everybody anyway because they want to scare you into a quick plea deal or scare you into becoming a cooperative witness in a big situation like that.
	And so they radically overcharge you.
	In order to radically overcharge you, like they have done with me, they have to make assertions and create a narrative in those statements of fact and in those charging documents that aren't so.
	They're just not true.
	But you're talking about documenting the trials of the January Sixers, but your charges stem from you being on site on January 6th itself.
	And I should say this also, you're facing charges, you're going to go to trial.
	Everything you can't say can and will be used against you in the court of law.
	So if you don't want to answer something, I'm a nosy person, you know what to do.
	But let's back it up to how you even got into the, how you got to DC, what your purpose, your intent was.
	Did you get down there on the 5th?
	Were you documenting?
	All the events leading up to the inaugurations.
	What was the context about that?
	Well, the context is very simple.
	I had been touring all over the country during the lockdowns.
	I actually traveled to 28 states during the lockdowns.
	And I was meeting up with blog...
	We were having meetups with my blog followers all over the country.
	And in certain states we had to go to, we had to meet at almost like speakeasies to do it because it wasn't allowed.
	And then at other places and other states that were more open, like Texas and Florida, we were able to meet at bars or restaurants.
	Places like that.
	But that was what I had been doing.
	And I had just been finishing up a month's long run and went home for New Year's to North Carolina.
	And then, of course, a couple of weeks prior to that.
	President Trump had announced, the date was actually December 19th, he announced that there was going to be something wild on January 6th.
	So it just so happens in Raleigh, North Carolina, where I live, my best friend is also a writer of some esteem.
	I mean, he's been ghostwritten for Rush Limbaugh.
	Written for Breitbart, American Thinker, Fox News shows, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
	Okay, so with that established, he and I decided that we would go up together to cover the event.
	Now, the interesting thing is that I'm not and have never been a Trump supporter.
	And so my best friend is more conservative.
	I'm a flaming libertarian.
	And so when...
	You know, that's one of the things that we enjoy about each other is, you know, we spend a lot of time together over a single malt and, you know, solving the world's problems from our various perspectives.
	So we went up on the, drove up on the 5th.
	We actually met some other media people, who I shall not name, on the 5th of the evening at the hotel.
	We hung out all night and then got up early, had our breakfast, headed over to the Washington Monument lawn by Uber the next morning.
	And we were there early enough that there was already tens of thousands of people there.
	We couldn't even get into the Ellipse.
	The Ellipse section itself was where the staging was, and it was impenetrable.
	Unbelievable, the density of humanity that was already there.
	So we were pulled back into the Washington Monument lawn.
	It was cold.
	Trump was an hour late getting to the stage.
	He actually took the stage at 11.57 a.m.
	He was supposed to be on stage at 11. We've been freezing.
	There was 25 mile an hour consistent wind that day.
	And then as the Washington Monument lawn began to fill up, a sea of people.
	And, you know, I was documenting that on video.
	And then basically, and I'm just being completely honest here, I was expecting...
	For somebody on the stage that day, for such a big event and for such a publicized event, and it's going to be wild.
	And it's basically the Trump team's last chance to roll out or unleash the Kraken.
	Remember that?
	So that's what I was there to document.
	I took my tripod, my man on the street microphone, my camera.
	I was going to get people's impressions of what was said.
	In that speech or whatever the something wild was going to be.
	I don't think anybody except for the three or four hundred activists, you know, provocateurs that kicked this violence off knew what the wild was going to be.
	But I certainly didn't.
	My colleague didn't.
	And so we were...
	Quite frankly, we were bored to tears with the speeches about halfway through Trump's speech, realizing that he was not going to unleash the Kraken.
	We started going ahead and moving towards the Capitol, A, so we could get a brisk pace and walk, because we were cold, and then B, to get ahead of the mob, the crowds that would be heading over there, because, unknown to a lot of people, there were actually six licensed.
	Permitted by the Capitol Police themselves what they call First Amendment rally events on the property.
	Most people don't know this, but anybody who's been watching my channel, Nate Brody, I believe was one of the earlier ones to bring it up.
	People had been issued permits.
	They knew that there were going to be many protests that were licensed and sanctioned.
	And yet, you know, the lapse in security, which we're going to get to.
	I'm sorry.
	So carry on.
	Yeah, and to expound upon that, there were actually 82 permits, First Amendment protest permits issued for that day.
	It's amazing how many events were scheduled.
	January 6th wasn't a one-off thing.
	January 6th wasn't something that Trump called into being.
	January 6th is a constitutional, importantly significant day every four years where the certification of the Electoral College vote takes place.
	And so that's why there were so many events.
	And many of those permits had been applied for or already issued long before Trump.
	Announced his speech at the rally.
	So that's kind of a background story that people don't understand.
	Then you have all the internet postings, the flyers, and so...
	Tens of thousands of people were going to begin heading away from the Washington Monument line and the Ellipse to go to the Capitol.
	Depending upon where you were, it could be anywhere from a mile to a mile and a half walk.
	So we started our brisk pace about halfway through Trump's speech.
	When we got to what they call the reflection pool on the west side of the Capitol, we looked up and we could already hear flashbangs.
	We could see tear gas.
	I guess that's where we're going.
	And we broke out in a sprint and ran up the steps to the Lower West Terrace.
	I turned on my camera at exactly 1.19 p.m.
	First thing that I captured was individuals on both sides of the police line, law enforcement and protesters, getting first aid.
	And then for the next hour, I proceeded to just document as much of that.
	And I'm not a riot chaser.
	I'm not a war correspondent.
	This is not what I do.
	And there are guys there that are, in fact, riot changers.
	That's what they do.
	And they were there, too, by the way.
	But I just followed my instincts, documented what I could about a little...
	A little less than an hour later, there was a—what I told the FBI in my interview, I saw what I called a stand-down order.
	Hold on.
	I saw it with my own eyes.
	One question.
	When was that interview?
	Was that prior to getting charged?
	Oh, yeah.
	That interview was in October of 21, so over two years ago.
	Okay, fine.
	So we'll get back to that.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So you see them issuing what you perceive to be a stand-down order.
	Right.
	I see—and, you know— When I see this, because there was a collapse in the line on the top underneath that scaffolding that was canvassed off and the canvas had been ripped away, and there was a collapse in the line.
	And I perceived it to be either just before or right at 2 o 'clock.
	And the way I explained it to the FBI was that I saw a stand-down order.
	They looked at me like I was full of crap when I said that.
	Comes to find out, of course, after three years of investigation, I now know it was, in fact, a pull-back order that went over the United States Capitol Police radio comms at just like 158.
	The wordsmithing of the devil, it wasn't a stand-down, it was a pull-back.
	What's the distinction, in fact, of those two concepts?
	It was an organized retreat to pull back and set up another line of defense.
	That's what the difference between a stand down and a pull back is.
	Unfortunately, most of those United States Capitol Police officers that were down on the front line with the MPD or Metropolitan Police officers, the crowd noise, the singing, the chanting...
	All that was going on, they couldn't hear their radios.
	Most did not respond to that.
	The ones who responded to it were the ones that were on the upper level, that upper terrace where the door, the first door was eventually breached.
	They could hear it.
	They responded.
	They pulled back.
	And therefore, that was the collapse in the line.
	That's why everybody suddenly was able to get up those steps.
	Let me tell you something.
	One of the biggest fraudulent narratives.
	Of January 6th is that these 300 to 400 ne 'er-do-wells, because that's all there is, that's all there is, that actually did some form of violence against law enforcement, maybe not even direct violence, but they just happened to be in a scrum or they were being pushed around, or they're charged with the other aiding and abetting because they were too close to the situation.
	But we're only talking about...
	Originally, the Department of Justice actually had only identified by video about 225 people by their own statement that actually did real violence against law enforcement.
	And if you think 225 people with flagpoles, bear spray, and sticks overwhelmed two fully armed law enforcement agencies with the backup of every three-letter federal agency's tactical squads on site, no way.
	It didn't happen.
	Let me ask you this, of those, let's just round it up, 300-ish violent actors, do we know how many of them were or might have been agent provocateur or potential, I don't know, call them assets, but agent provocateur?
	I have, this is my, you know, this is a lot of conjecture involved here, but I've had three years to process this with a lot of investigation, and...
	I've also had more access to Capital CCTV video room, viewing room than any other journalist.
	So with that established, I can tell you that I've seen a lot.
	And I've had to change my mind.
	I've had to change my perception on a lot of things.
	New facts, new data, change your opinion about certain actors.
	And so people that I had identified, I won't try the French version, but those who I've identified as agents provocateurs are Some have turned out to actually be real criminals.
	This is what has never changed, though.
	I saw bad people doing bad things, good people doing good things, and I saw otherwise good people get caught up in the moment and do some really stupid things.
	That's the three basic categories.
	What we now have, though, is we have roughly 100 of these individuals that have inexplicably not been charged.
	While they're going after journalists and grandmothers and prioritizing us above them.
	And by the way, when I say not charged, I mean we have a hundred or so that are identified.
	We know their names, their addresses, where they work, and yet they have not been picked up and they were doing violence.
	I only know of the one big one and maybe a couple of smaller names who are alleged to have, you know, been favorites of the FBI.
	So you see them issue the pullback.
	You go into the building.
	First of all, what makes you look like a journalist at the time compared to, say, I'm going to get to the New York Times journalist who was one of, if not the first journalist that actually made it into the building through a broken window.
	Credentials is something that people want to harp on here.
	New York Times journalists, are they running around with anything more than a placard that says New York Times or Fox News?
	Some did and some didn't.
	Again, some had their badges or their lanyards with their press passes on them.
	Some of these journalists did not have a displayed press badge on them.
	Some of these journalists were...
	Big name MSM reporters or videographers or photojournalists.
	Some of them were independent.
	Some of them worked for smaller...
	Left-wing and right-wing news organizations.
	There was every type of journalists there.
	Now, first of all, you have to establish the fact that there were probably roughly right at 100 journalists already in the Capitol with permission to cover that event, being a historic event, the certification of Electoral College vote.
	So they're already there.
	Photojournalists, print journalists of all types, already there.
	But the focus is on the 60 or so that entered from the outside.
	Because it does not matter by law.
	I don't know what it's like in Canada, but I can tell you what it is here.
	It does not matter by law whether you are credentialed or not, work for a major agency or an independent, a stringer, a freelancer, or whatever.
	You do not have the right to enter.
	A restricted area or across a police line, regardless of your credentials, without the express permission of law enforcement.
	Period.
	Now, it's an interesting distinction that there were other journalists credentialed to go into the Capitol to document the certification of the vote.
	They're already on the inside.
	And above and beyond that...
	True, even those credentialed can't go into Nancy Pelosi's office and look around because they've been credentialed to cover an event.
	The others on the outside, not credentialed for this specific event.
	The New York Times journalist who went through the broken window, do we know if that journalist was credentialed to cover the certification or not?
	If he came in from the outside, no.
	I mean, there's...
	As I said, the 60 or so that came in from the outside, they did so, quote-unquote, and I'm quoting the charging doc, as part of the mob.
	Now, that's the way the prosecutors like to characterize it, just as they've characterized me.
	They're trying to characterize my actions as being part of the mob.
	I entered with the mob.
	That's the language in all of these charging documents.
	So you document everything.
	Before we even get into what happened afterwards.
	FBI interviews and whether or not you knew or thought you were going to be charged, what's the most interesting thing that you saw while you were in there documenting, you know, either in terms of the violence of the protesters or in terms of the antagonism of the police officers or in terms of the absolute absence of or, you know, efficiency of police officers for an event of that nature?
	Yeah, the first and most significant thing that I saw is that when the crowds did in fact...
	Start moving through freely without opposition, because there was a point where there was no longer opposition.
	And while I'm doing this, I'm going to dispel a major, major rumor of the right wing related to January 6th.
	Not a single police officer, Capitol Police, Metropolitan PD, opened the doors for protesters that day.
	Every single one of the seven doors that were breached that day were breached, first of all, by a protester who had entered through some other passageway, through a window, a broken window, or through another door.
	And then as hundreds of them began to spread out through the Capitol, then they started the process of triggering those electromagnetic locks on those doors.
	It's a very simple DC fire code situation.
	Every single one of those doors have a sign on it that says, hold the bar for three seconds, and then 15 seconds later, the magnetic lock will release.
	Okay?
	Now, what we have seen is videos where some of the law enforcement subsequently, after they'd already been triggered, held a door open, or stood by and allowed people to come in.
	And did, in fact, waive people, because it was in one of the judgments, the acquittals, where the judge said he waived them in.
	Okay, so that might be not...
	Misunderstanding, that might be a distinction without a difference to many if the cops are holding the doors open after they've been triggered, waving people in.
	All right, so we agree in substance and how you frame it.
	If they want to say that they didn't open the doors, they just held them open.
	Okay, some people might say distinction without a difference, but relevant nonetheless.
	Yeah, well, if you're one of three officers or four officers standing at that door and 400 people are trying to get in it, you're probably just going to stand down.
	Then it gets back to the question, so why in the holy name of sweet Everything that's holy.
	Would there only have been three or four officers bike racks when they knew there were at least however many permanent events that were going to carry more people than what they could have handled anyhow?
	Well, and that's a great question that I probably know more about than anybody else, because most of my 90 percent of my post Oath Keepers trial investigations have been focused on the United States Capitol Police and the failure thereof.
	But to get back to your original question about what was the most interesting thing I saw, the single most interesting thing I saw at first was the stand-down of law enforcement standing off to the side with their cell phones, probably texting their wives and telling them that they're okay, because this is being broadcast all over the world by this time, and making phone calls and chatting in small groups.
	As this sea of humanity, the sedition hunters estimate that they've identified over 3,500 people that actually entered the Capitol, quote-unquote, illegally.
	And that's a much, much bigger number than it was originally announced, even by the Department of Justice.
	They were originally estimating that between 800 and 1,200 people, but they've got it up to 3,500 identified.
	Am I wrong in maybe saying that they're also expanding the restricted area so that they can just grab more people?
	Or is this going into the building proper?
	This is just the building itself.
	Now, if they go to the place and they have made some arrests outside, as we know, people that did not enter.
	But if they do try to expand that, I just don't see how they can do it.
	The system is already overwhelmed by these cases.
	There's already been over 1,300 actual charging.
	Our defendant's charged.
	If they're going to try and get that up to 3,500 in the next 22 months before the statute of limitations runs out, I just don't see them accomplishing that.
	All right.
	So you go in there.
	How long are you in for?
	How much footage did you capture?
	What was done with that footage?
	And when do you realize that you might be in trouble?
	I was inside the building for 37 minutes.
	And then I concluded my...
	My most important documentation with the extraction of Ashley Babbitt out of the building.
	As I was being led out of the building by a very, very sweet, pleasant, young Capitol Police officer.
	She came up to me as I was looking for a restroom, by the way.
	I'd been on Capitol grounds for quite a number of hours without ever seeing a porta potty of any kind.
	And so I was in the lower level of the Capitol looking for a restroom.
	A young Capitol police officer came up and took me by my arm.
	And she said, sir, can I safely escort you out of the building?
	I said, do I need to be safely escorted out?
	She said, yes, sir, you do.
	OK, right there.
	No resistance.
	And by the way, we have that scene on video.
	On Capital CCTV.
	So we can show that there was never a moment where I resisted law enforcement.
	And so as she leads me towards that door, she's trying to distract me.
	She's on my right side, and there's something going on over on the left side, and she's talking to me, trying to distract me.
	And then finally, I jerked my head over and just six feet from me, I see FBI medics feverishly working on a person in a pool of blood.
	I did not know it was Ashley Babbitt, didn't even know it was a woman at the time.
	I'm giving the very short version of this story.
	But as we were going out the door, the fire department's paramedics were coming in with the gurney.
	So I had to step out of the way of that.
	And then, of course, again, instinct.
	It's kind of common sense.
	You know, what goes up must come down.
	What goes in must come out.
	I knew that if the gurney went in that door, that gurney's coming out that door.
	So I went around down the wheelchair ramp, went back and posted up for about five minutes waiting on that gurney to come back out.
	And when it did, I was able to follow her extraction while they were...
	Now they had transferred the...
	The CPR to the paramedics, but she was surrounded by a tactical unit, you know, with long rifles.
	And so as they're moving her down the ramp, and I'm following down the ramp with my camera, it's the first time that I realized that it was a woman, and you can actually hear me and my shock on my own narration go, you know, something to the effect of, holy shit, it's a woman.
	And then I say, and she's not going to make it.
	Because I could see not only was her face tilted towards me with the blank eyes, she was bare-breasted.
	No doubt that it was a woman at that moment.
	And of course, as we know, it was out in the news.
	That was exactly 3 o 'clock when they extracted her from the building.
	And then it was a couple hours later we learned that she had died.
	Okay, and it was pretty clear from what you saw at that moment that she was, in fact, dead at that point.
	I texted it out to about three different people right then.
	I said, shots fired, a woman's been hit, she's not going to make it.
	And after that, so you follow them out, and then where do you go after that?
	That is where I get myself in the first bit of trouble, is I was...
	I'm wandering out on the east side now because I've entered from the west side.
	So now I'm wandering out on the east side.
	And I walk up on a camera crew from WUSA outside of the restricted area, by the way.
	It was up in the grassy area that was...
	Outside of the barricades lines.
	Of course, the barricades are all gone by now.
	But as I'm wandering, just wandering by them with no purpose whatsoever, they're all hearing over their radio.
	They're getting called in from their headquarters that somebody's been shot in the building.
	And so I'm hearing this radio comm discussion between these WUSA camera crew and reporters.
	And I said to them, I said, oh, yeah, I've got video of that.
	They're like, what?
	I said, yeah.
	Can we see?
	I showed them my video.
	They asked me if they could use it.
	Gave them the video free of charge.
	And then they wanted to interview me for about 15 minutes.
	And so they did.
	They did an interview for about 15 minutes with the Capitol as a backdrop behind me.
	And then I finally, after that, was able to walk several blocks away and find a sandwich shop that had a public restroom.
	I've got a sandwich.
	And while I was having that sandwich, WUSA's head anchor for their news program called me, and he wanted to interview me.
	So I went out on the sidewalk on the street, set up my tripod, camera, microphone, and then I did about another 10 or 15 minutes.
	I got 30 minutes or so of interview.
	And they use that much to frame up my intent for the day.
	I'm channeling my inner Stewie.
	Now, what did you learn, Steve?
	Don't do an interview with MSM unless it's going to be unedited.
	I mean, I presume you recorded your own copy, but it's not worth much at the time the damage is already done.
	Well, as a matter of fact, I have not done an interview with MSM since then unless...
	They publish the entire statement and some of them have done that or they allow me to record and I've said I do I set up my tripod and I record them shooting me and or they say no we won't allow that and then you're done you know it's a liability not an asset at that point yeah so you I mean done for the day I guess now we got to get into like when do you get the inkling or when do you get notified that you're under investigation in trouble Meetings
	with the FBI, and more importantly, I won't forget, but your footage was used in the January 6th committee, and if I'm not mistaken, in some of those montages that they put together?
	Yeah, other people have told me that.
	I personally have not seen that, because I wasn't able to watch all eight of those, because actually some of those hearings were happening during the Oathkeeper's trial, and I was in court.
	But the point being is that I was told that...
	People had seen that.
	The most likely one is the...
	Would be the Ashley Babbitt.
	Yeah, it was the Ashley Babbitt because that's been used in HBO documentaries, New York Times documentary, Epoch Times, etc., etc., etc.
	That's been the most used of my video footage that day.
	But a lot of my clips have been used by news agencies and documentarians all over the world.
	And so now tell us, when do you start to think or get notified that you might be in trouble?
	Well, they started making arrests the next day, and the Department of Justice was announcing their threats the next day.
	So by the time my colleague and I, it's a four-and-a-half-hour drive from D.C. back to Raleigh, North Carolina, and by the time we got home, we realized that this could be perilous.
	We could be in jeopardy.
	Now, he didn't go inside the building.
	We got separated very early.
	In the melee on the west front, and then he just went back to the hotel, and then I continued doing what I was doing.
	And so by the time I got home, I realized that I needed to squirrel myself away somewhere, which I did for five days.
	I did not stay home.
	At the very least, I wanted to get my story written, and I wanted to get my videos.
	I spent five days doing a frame-by-frame analysis of my video, which, of course, taught me that there was a lot more going on than what I saw with my own eyes.
	You can only capture so much in such a highly kinetic event like that.
	You're not seeing 95% of what your camera is capturing.
	Once I had finished the frame-by-frame review, I started writing my story.
	And then on January 13th, I published a 9,500-word review, what I saw on January 6th on my blog.
	Where you published it?
	Yeah, you can get that on Locals.
	So when I published my story and I uploaded some of my video onto Rumble, I said, okay.
	That's it.
	I'm going home.
	And then if they come get me, they come get me.
	At least I've got my story out before that happens.
	And then I didn't hear from them until July, and I was actually speaking at a Libertarian Party event just, I think, in Reston, Virginia, on a Friday night.
	And on a Thursday morning, I get a call from a local special agent of the FBI, Garrett Doss, and he says, hey, this special agent Doss, with the FBI, the first thing I said to him is, what took you so long?
	And then he said, I see that you're going to be in D.C. or in the D.C. area tomorrow night.
	He goes, I was just wondering if you had a couple of hours early in the afternoon to sit down with some of my guys.
	And I said, oh, you know, I said, I'm actually going to be there early, but, you know, my attorney can't be there.
	So, sorry.
	And he's like, oh, okay, okay.
	And so...
	What date was this again?
	This was mid-July.
	Mid-July.
	Okay, so...
	Six months later.
	And so then it gets interesting from there.
	So the first thing that we do is I turned this over to, I got Agent Doss' phone number, turned this over to my attorney.
	My attorney then, you know, he takes it from there.
	No more communication from me.
	And then once they got the date, and to be honest with you, they knew I was not a violent offender.
	They had already established that.
	They probably knew that I traveled so much and came back home every time, that I was not a flight risk.
	They knew that I had a higher profile than 99% of the potential defendants that day anyway.
	And so they were very cooperative with my travel schedule.
	And as I said, I was traveling during this entire time during the lockdowns.
	And so I...
	We set a date sometime mid-August for my interview, my voluntary interview, and my cooperative interview, as they say.
	Just to clarify, you know that this is for an investigation into you and not for their investigation into others by this point?
	100%.
	Absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	So sit down with these.
	Not that I don't trust the FBI after having seen what they did to Michael Flynn for voluntary interviews, but you got counsel and you didn't do it alone, so you're one step.
	ahead of, you know, other mistakes that other people have made.
	But this is, as I said, this is where it gets interesting.
	So on the scheduled day, my attorney and I show up at the field office.
	They're just outside of Raleigh.
	We are escorted inside the, you know, the outer gates.
	All FBI field offices now have a big iron gate around them and they're impenetrable palaces now.
	And so then we are met and greeted at the door by two special agents who then first And they said, give us just...
	Ten minutes, and we'll be right back.
	Have a seat here in the lobby.
	Give us ten minutes, and we'll be right back.
	So they disappear behind the secret secure doors and disappear out of our sight.
	And I look over at my attorney.
	I said, I wonder what's going on.
	Is something going on in the world right now?
	And my attorney goes, no, this is about you.
	And I went, how could you discern that that was about me?
	He goes, no.
	He said, they may actually be coming back out here with handcuffs in a moment.
	They may be about to place you under arrest.
	And I'm like...
	He said they may very well have just lured you here.
	As opposed to finding you where you could have otherwise always easily been found.
	Correct.
	Okay.
	So that's what my attorney is saying sitting on the sofa next to me.
	So it took them about a half hour before they came out.
	And when they came out, they began to explain that just before I arrived, they got a call from D.C. from the Department of Justice saying you cannot interview him because as a member of the press.
	As a journalist, we have to have express written permission from the United States Attorney General's office to interview a member of the press.
	Boom.
	And so...
	Let's say you and your attorney heard that.
	Absolutely.
	Not in writing anywhere.
	Oh, yes, we have it in writing.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Yes, because now...
	Game on.
	Because now the negotiation between my attorney and the U.S. Attorney's Office to negotiate a proffer agreement for me to sit down cooperatively as an acknowledged member of the press from the United States government.
	So we...
	They did negotiate the proper agreement.
	It took another couple of months.
	We did the interview in mid to late October.
	If you could clarify, proper agreement under this context means what?
	The scope of what they're going to ask you?
	In this particular case, the most essential element of that proper agreement was that nothing that I said in that interview could ever be used against me in court.
	If I was ever charged, unless I perjured myself in the interview.
	Nothing you say in that could be used against you if you're charged, which means that you could still be charged, notwithstanding the fact that they've acknowledged that you're a journalist.
	And then, okay, then what's the benefit of sitting down to discuss that with them, even if they give you this proffer?
	Well, there is no benefit, but let me just explain that.
	Okay.
	When we sat down, when the interview finally happened, and my attorney and I are sitting on one side of the table, the other two agents are sitting on the other side of the table, I put my hands on the desk.
	I said, gentlemen, before we get going, I said, let me just establish this.
	I said, every single law enforcement officer, past, present, future, retired, otherwise, that follows my blog have...
	They've chastised me for taking this interview.
	They've all said, don't do it, don't do it, don't do it, you don't have to do it.
	Including this guy sitting next to me, my attorney, said, don't do it.
	I said, I'm here today because I'm going to ask you as many questions as you ask me.
	Let's rock.
	And that's what I did.
	It was just my pure journalistic curiosity.
	Well, I know what they asked you.
	What did you ask them?
	Oh, I asked them all kinds of questions.
	I mean, we had...
	They were at times very frustrated with me because A, my answers were nowhere, it was nothing like what they expected, but it was also, it led to intense discussions about how the day unfolded.
	The things that I saw, just like the pullback order versus the stand-down order, those types of discussions were things that they certainly had no expectation would be part of this interview.
	And I anticipate now that through the process of discovery, I will be given, because that was a video recorded interview, so I will be given the opportunity to actually...
	Use that at some point.
	That chess move might pay dividends down the road.
	Are they asking you typical things like, how did you get there?
	What did you do?
	What did you see?
	Why were you there?
	Give us the recordings.
	Standard stuff.
	They had already established a gigantic portfolio on me.
	They had printed off reams of my articles.
	With all January 6th cases, if they can't get you on a crime, they get you for your thought crimes or your...
	Your scary words that you said before or after.
	And so that's what they were looking for on me, because as I told them, I told them at the outset, I said, why are we even doing this?
	I said, you have me on a thousand cameras.
	You know everything.
	You could pinpoint, geolocate every moment of your day.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	And I said, and you know I committed no violence and no property damage, to which they said yes, and we want to thank you.
	It's on camera.
	We want to thank you for not committing violence against law enforcement that day.
	So they made that statement themselves.
	But here's an interesting moment, and this relates directly to the statement of facts that have been used to justify the charges against me.
	And one of those is when I said in a interview, me and my best friend...
	You know, at 11 o 'clock that night on the 6th, we turn a camera on.
	We've got a couple of adult beverages.
	We're sitting there and we're, you know, doing a kind of a debrief postmortem of our day and what we saw and of our experiences.
	And as I'm talking about when I went into the hallway, which was the speaker's offices, the hallway where Nancy Pelosi's office was, is that I said at one point I saw.
	Damaged.
	This was the first time I had seen actual real property damage, where they had turned over desks, tables, rifled through bookshelves, knocked papers and books off onto the floor.
	As soon as I saw that, you can actually see me in my own video, as soon as my camera catches property damage, I whisk around.
	And get the hell out of Dodge.
	I'm not going in to where bad things like that are happening.
	So that happens instantly.
	So we're joking around.
	We're yucking it up.
	And I say something to the effect of, yeah.
	And I actually say, I said, I used this word.
	I said, unfortunately, I saw damage in her offices.
	But, you know, it couldn't happen to a more deserving bitch.
	So I said that.
	Yep.
	Okay?
	Now, the FBI agents asked me why I said that.
	And this is exactly my answer, which I hope to one day have that in discovery, and I can play it for you.
	Because she is a bitch.
	Well, I didn't double down, but everybody's normal response has been, what's wrong with that?
	You're just telling the truth.
	But the reality is, is that my actual answer to them, when they said, why did you say that?
	I said, because it wasn't McConnell's office.
	I said, if it was McConnell's office, I would have said it couldn't happen to a more deserving bastard.
	I said, what part of me being a libertarian and hating both sides do you not get yet?
	This might come back to bite you in the ass, but we'll see.
	They're going to say, okay, you're just an anarchist then.
	They're going to throw the book at you.
	You're detested by both sides of the uni party.
	This is the thing, though.
	They have everything on you.
	They've been investigating this for six months.
	To call you in, What is it to do?
	They know that they're going to charge you, presumably.
	Is it to try to add on perjury or, I don't know, obstruction of justice in addition to the four bullshit charges that you're facing?
	I don't think if we're talking about by up until October of 21 that they were specifically looking for a felony charge on me.
	They certainly already had enough problems with my analysis of the event to They wanted to take me out or scare me away or back me off.
	But something happened on the way to the first email that my attorney got a month later after the interview.
	On November 17th of 21, he got an email from a U.S. attorney out of Philadelphia, Anita Eve, in which she said, I'm just writing you to inform you that your client is going to be charged within the week.
	This is October 2021.
	This is November 17th of 2021.
	I'm going to be charged within the week.
	This is the week before Thanksgiving.
	It's psychological warfare, regardless.
	The whole letting you know and then invite you over, make you wait, whatever.
	Okay, sorry.
	So they tell you November.
	This is now three years, give or take, until you actually get charged.
	And you don't get charged that week.
	No, I've actually got to start giving you the short versions of all these tales because I have to do a TV hit here in just a few minutes.
	But the point being is that they went dark for 20 months.
	We backed them off with a media offensive.
	They pulled back.
	And I've got to throw this in.
	They actually gave us the statutes whereby I was going to be charged.
	Two of those statutes, one of them was in fact a felony.
	It was they were going to charge me, I kid you not, with interstate racketeering.
	We have it in writing.
	Interstate racketeering.
	Just let that...
	Marinate for a moment.
	You crossed state lines, I don't know.
	No, by virtue of the law and the statute, they were going to somehow have to make the assertion that I crossed state lines with the foreknowledge of an illegal event which I intended to profit off of by the sale of my videos.
	The licensing of my videos.
	Unreal felony.
	But...
	That's the kind of thing they do so they can scare you into a quick plea deal on the glorified trespassing charge.
	They can get the notch in their gun belt.
	They can get their points towards their promotions and their career advancement within the Department of Justice.
	And for the special agents in charge back home at the FBI offices, they get their bonuses.
	By the way, you'll tell me when you need to go and I will not be offended, but I'm going to make sure to ask you the questions I need to ask you.
	So 20 months goes by.
	You finally find out you're going to get charged.
	How did it go that you knew that you were going to get charged or did the charges themselves come out of the blue?
	And when they told you to show up in shorts and a t-shirt and flip-flops in DC in winter, because it'll make things easier, is that more psychological, physical torture abuse?
	Yeah, let me give you the lightning round here.
	So we didn't hear from them for 20 months.
	Then in August, early August, first week of August, I got a grand jury subpoena for my videos, which interestingly, I had already...
	Voluntarily offered to the FBI, and they never asked for it.
	So we had never turned it over.
	So now I get a grand jury subpoena.
	As you know, grand juries are not seated for misdemeanor.
	Investigations.
	They're seated only for felony investigations.
	So now I know they're looking at me for some sort of felony.
	By this time, though, more importantly, they know what I've been working on for the last two years.
	They know the investigations.
	They know what I'm about to roll out.
	I'm getting warnings from my sources in D.C. and from inside the DOJ that they are gunning for me and that I need to watch my back, you know, figuratively, and that they're in.
	Quote, unquote, they're not happy with what you're working on.
	When do you get hired at Blaze?
	In August.
	I had been talking to Blaze for a month before I got my subpoena.
	And ironically, I thought, well, okay, now that I've got a grand jury subpoena, they're going to back off.
	Like, you know, most companies would do and say, hey, guy, you know, look, you're a great guy.
	We love you.
	You're a little hot for us now.
	Yeah, but, you know, and you know what they did?
	They called me up and they said, oh, I guess we need to get you a contract right away, don't we?
	It was unbelievable.
	And so then we cooperatively turned over my videos on the subpoena and then they went dark again for...
	Four more months.
	And then on December 14th, I'm actually sitting in Representative Thomas Massey's office at the Rayburn building in Washington.
	And I get a text from my attorney, you know, and when you get an unexpected text from your attorney, it's never good.
	So like a crap.
	So I got up, walked outside into the hallway and called him and he said, OK, it's it's happening.
	It's really happening this time.
	They want you to self-surrender in Raleigh next week.
	And that would have been the week before Christmas.
	This past year, 2023.
	And immediately, the blaze went full on counteroffensive.
	I mean, it was a sight to behold what they did.
	And by close of business the next day, which was a Friday, the 15th of December, the FBI agent in charge of my investigation called my attorney back and said, OK, we're not going to do this now.
	We're going to wait until sometime after Christmas.
	And then we didn't hear from them again for two more months.
	And then suddenly they dropped the bomb.
	Now, I'm in Dallas.
	I actually surrendered in Dallas, not D.C., but it was 40 degrees that morning, by the way.
	So it still had the Texas chill in the air.
	So we do get the email.
	We do get the email from the new AUSA, in charge of my case, out of D.C., Adam Dreher, in the email.
	And we have it.
	We have a copy of it.
	And we're going to be rolling it out to show people that don't trust what we're saying.
	He said, We advise your client to arrive wearing shorts, a t-shirt, and flip-flops.
	It's like a joke.
	It's a running gag.
	Like, is he actually going to do it, is what they're saying internally, and then you show up dressed properly, which was a fortunate thing.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And, of course, without exception.
	Without exception.
	Again, I have hundreds of law enforcement that follow my stories, particularly because of the work I've been doing of late.
	They all are DMing me in comments on social media, all of them saying that this was the most ridiculous, inappropriate arrest they've ever seen in their lives.
	They would never have done anything like that.
	They've never seen it before.
	We're talking about from all the retired and or whistleblowing FBI agents have said the same thing.
	And then I have many of the former federal prosecutors who have said the same thing.
	Two of my attorneys now are, in fact, former federal prosecutors.
	They just never saw it.
	They want you to look like an idiot as well for their photo op.
	Yeah, and...
	All they had to do was just issue me an order to appear.
	I show up in my coat and tie with my, you know, my attorney in his coat and tie.
	We sit in the gallery to our numbers called up.
	We walk up.
	I get arraigned and we walk out.
	But that's not what they wanted.
	This was a pure retaliation for what I've been doing to reveal their malfeasance, to reveal their perjuries, to reveal their subordination of perjury and much more to come.
	And they know it's coming.
	This is why they went after me.
	Okay, now I know.
	So your bottom line is you're taking this all the way.
	There's no plea deal and there's no anything but them withdrawing the charges or a trial.
	I'm not going to say never 100% because one of the things that we have to be really concerned about is this lottery rotation of judges for January 6th defendants.
	We have no idea what we're going to get.
	If they give me a hanging judge...
	A plea deal suddenly becomes very, very attractive.
	I've already cleared this with my children.
	My children are grown.
	They're proud of me.
	They believe in me.
	The company here believes in me.
	My last interview with Glenn this past Monday, as soon as we signed off the air, he came over and took me by the hand and he said, we are behind you 100%.
	We're not going to leave you here.
	I want you to know that.
	And he said, we're going to see this thing through with you to the end.
	So I have an incredible amount of support.
	I have six attorneys right now working for me pro bono.
	Alan Dershowitz told Glenn that he wants to come on to my...
	My team, pro bono.
	So we have all of the reason to go forward, but we also know what they do to people like me who then waste the government's time by taking them to trial.
	And of course, we also know what a D.C. jury is.
	A D.C. jury is a no-win scenario.
	It's an acquittal of Sussman and a conviction of everyone, notwithstanding the evidence.
	And I had one more question.
	It was, well, you got the Stephen Horn journalist who was given probation.
	Yeah.
	But nonetheless took a very big risk instead of...
	I covered Stephen's trial as well.
	I was there for his entire trial.
	I also wrote a...
	submitted a...
	what do you call it?
	An affidavit of support for him.
	Yeah, an affidavit of character or proof of character.
	They were filing a selective prosecution motion.
	And this is very, very important.
	Stephen Horne had a dossier...
	Of press passes that he had earned going all the way back to events and things that he had covered to when he was 16 years old.
	And the judge, Judge Kelly, a Trump appointee, denied him and his legal team the right to show those press passes to the jury.
	They were disallowed.
	He was not allowed to, they struck down that motion.
	And he was not allowed to present any evidence of his historical journalistic endeavors.
	And so that opened the DOJs up to be able to denigrate him and belittle his very notion that he was there for anything other than being a part of the mob.
	Amazing.
	I know you got to go at about one minute from now.
	Yeah.
	People can follow you with the Blaze on Twitter.
	Where do you want people to find you?
	Yeah, Twitter and Locals are the two best things.
	It's the same handle both ways.
	It's TPC4USA.
	They can go straight to at TPC4USA on Twitter.
	They can do TPC4USA.com and go to my Locals blog.
	And then, of course, on Blaze, they actually have a separate page set up for me.
	Go to VBlaze.com.
	And it's got all of my stories, all of my videos, and everything that's happening with me right now.
	I'm going to put up all those links.
	I'll put up all those links in the pinned comment.
	Steve, I say Godspeed, keep fighting the good fight, but we'll follow up with this follow-up to be had on this.
	Let's do it, because when I don't have a clock on me, and we can get into even more nitty-gritty.
	Oh, yes.
	Please.
	Okay, let me know.
	Thank you.
	All right, have a good one.
	Now, how do I stop sharing screen?
	Oh, hold on.
	I'll figure this out here.
	I'm using Rumble Studio and I'm rusty.
	I'll leave it.
	Okay, that'll simplify it.
	All right, have a good one.
	How do I do this?
	Oh, I go like that.
	Okay, well, now how do I...
	Oh, there, I'm back to the big screen.
	Everybody, phenomenal.
	Yeah, it's an amazing thing.
	Like, maybe I could talk for too long.
	I could talk forever.
	Let me take a couple of screen grabs here because I think I've noticed something very interesting with Twitter numbers.
	Twitter view count and YouTube.
	Let me get to the chats.
	The Rumble rants and the super chats, if I can still find them.
	We've got Avalanche in Rumble that says, What happened to Steve is horrible.
	I was a correctional officer for 12 years working in federal, state, and county institutions.
	Cuff-a-belly chains and ankle cuffs are used for felony offenders.
	Yeah.
	Show up in flip-flops, shorts, and a t-shirt.
	A, it's going to be cold.
	And B, you'll look like a total zlub for the photo ops that we want the media to get.
	Okay, now I'm going over to YouTube.
	Let me see something here.
	I'm navigating, Phyllis.
	We got KenaX122 says, I've heard this guy was not actually a journalist at the time of January 6th, and he only started doing journalism after the fact.
	Asked me about that.
	First of all, I did.
	Second of all, it goes back to the question of James O 'Keefe.
	What are journalists?
	Is it an activity, or is it a profession that requires certification?
	Bottom line is, I don't think anybody would credibly deny that Steve was and is a journalist.
	I should say is a journalist and was a journalist at the time he was there.
	Period.
	He was there to document reality in real time and not break any laws.
	I don't think anybody would deny that Stephen Horn is and was a journalist at the time of documenting the events of January 6th.
	The idea of being credentialed is a very interesting idea because what it...
	I mean, it sort of seemingly confirms the idea that you're not a journalist unless the government gives you a journalist pass.
	You know, Rebel News, unless they get accredited by Trudeau's government for attending events.
	Well, they're not real journalists then.
	And so what you have is a certification process of the government, of the people who are there to be journalists and investigate the government.
	So certification is not going to be, in my mind, credentials is not going to be, in my mind, the...
	Be-all and end-all or threshold of whether or not one gets recognized as a journalist.
	Whether or not you're allowed to attend an event, yeah, you've got to get credentialed for that event.
	And if you don't get the press passes, you don't get in.
	It doesn't mean that the person who didn't get the press pass sitting on the outside documenting is not a journalist.
	So there's that.
	But that's a wild story.
	And it seems to be what we thought.
	It's an amazing thing.
	He wouldn't get arrested as a journalist if he had just towed the line for the government narrative.
	They come after you when...
	You start having a little too much to think, a little too much to drink.
	Okay, now what I'm going to do here, I'm just testing a few things in the backdrop.
	I want to screen grab this one here.
	And you'll see why, because I'm noticing something.
	I'm looking at the live viewers, and it seems that Twitter, for whatever the reason, is not showing a live view count, but rather an aggregate cumulative view count, which is interesting, but potentially I'm just going to screen grab this because I think I figured it out.
	Live right there.
	It says live 4,481 views.
	Not viewers.
	Fine.
	Screen grab.
	On Rumble, what are we at?
	We're at 5,790 and we got Lord of the Rees says, Hey Viva, I uploaded my cover of Free Fallen by Tom Petty to my music channel.
	Hold on.
	It's actually taking off.
	Long Walks Music on Rumble, YouTube, and Bandcamp.
	Long walks music.
	It's adequate.
	Hold on.
	Let me bring it up.
	Oh, yeah.
	So let me see if I can refresh my memory as to how to bring it up.
	We're in the share mode.
	Bada bing, bada boom.
	So we're good there.
	Okay.
	There it is, people.
	Although it's still clipping.
	Hold on.
	I got to take notes.
	Can I write on that yet?
	No, I can't write on that.
	It's still clipping the frame a little bit.
	Okay.
	Let's go here.
	I just threw out an email by accident.
	David at...
	Okay.
	Link.
	Still...
	Okay, still clipping.
	Good.
	All right, everybody, bear with me because I want to do the run.
	I want to do the dry run through this, whether or not...
	And the guest thing, it still bumps the guest for the video, and that's why the guest came in after I bumped the video.
	We got another crumble rant while we're at it.
	Lord of the Recess.
	Hey, Viva, I upload...
	Oh, also...
	Will you be having five times August back on anytime soon?
	He's been a huge inspiration to me to pick up my guitar again and engage with the culture.
	I'll have five times on back whenever he wants to come on.
	He's been on a few times now, actually.
	It's fantastic.
	I like him.
	Okay, so now stop screen share, and then that goes away.
	All right.
	Good.
	What do we say?
	All right, people.
	I'm going to go over to locals for our locals after party.
	When it's through Rumble Studio, it's only for supporters, so fringe benefit.
	If anybody was not thinking of becoming a supporter but wants to partake of the after party, let me just make sure everything's good on YouTube here before we end it.
	Okay, good.
	I can't bring up the comments anymore here.
	Does this fellow own his own music?
	Be careful of copyright claims.
	You will get a claim on a video that you do a cover on.
	I was going to play his song, but it will get copy claimed on YouTube.
	I don't mind if it's someone else's material.
	That's fair game when it's not fair use.
	But I'm not going to let YouTube or some copyright trolls copyclaim a full one-hour-plus stream because I played 30 seconds of a song.
	So the risk is not worth the reward.
	But go check out Lord of the Re.
	His YouTube channel is Long Walks Music.
	That's Long Walks Music on Rumble, YouTube, and Bandcamp.
	And that seems to be it.
	Okay.
	Everybody, tonight's going to be funny.
	So I'm doing...
	I don't have my graph here.
	Tonight, we are doing...
	State of the Union live stream reaction stream.
	There was supposed to be a hearing for...
	Joe, some updates.
	Some, you know, law updates.
	There was supposed to be a Fannie Willis ethics complaint today to be heard.
	Filed by two...
	I think they're anonymous until such time as the bar...
	Issues any sanctions.
	It was supposed to start at 10 o 'clock this morning, and then the complaints were withdrawn because, I guess, the bar or whichever entity was supposed to hear these complaints determined that they didn't have jurisdiction over Fannie Willis because of her position of authority.
	So, very interesting.
	So, there was going to be some news there.
	Govea was covering.
	I was listening to him while I'm...
	Robert Govea watching The Watchers.
	I was listening to him while I was walking the dog, and everyone was a little bit disappointed that the hearing didn't go through.
	But, you know, corruption and power is a hell of a drug.
	So, okay, now, this is what we can do here.
	I'm going to give everybody the link to Rumble.
	Not to Rumble, to Locals.
	VivaBarnesLaw.locals.com.
	Locals link here.
	Come on over.
	It'll be for supporters only.
	No pressure, but there's some perks to being supporters and supporting the work that Robert Barnes and I do.
	What do we got here?
	From an interview, Glenn said that Steve was at the Capitol reporting and taping on behalf of Blaze TV.
	I'm not sure why his creds are being questioned.
	Night Shimmer.
	I'm not sure that that's...
	I don't think that that...
	I don't know if he said that.
	I don't think he said that because I'm not sure temporally that that works out.
	So this is from Night Shimmer.
	There might be some misunderstandings in there because I don't think Steve Baker was employed by Blaze at the time.
	Whether or not he was capturing the video for other entities, I don't know.
	And I don't know what Glenn said either.
	Let me see here.
	El Salvador threw all their gangs in prison.
	Murder rate lower than Canada.
	Says Honor234.
	Yeah, and El Salvador might be sending some of those murderers to a certain open border.
	So that's it.
	David, please have a go at Rumble.
	You've been live for one hour and I still haven't received my notification, says AnnieCat10.
	Well, we're live on Rumble, AnnieCat.
	Make sure your notifications are on.
	And AnnieCat, what I'm also told is download the app.
	The app gives you the notifications like virtually instantaneously.
	I'm not sure about the, what is it called?
	The website platform itself.
	And now I'm screen grabbing here because this is an interesting, it's interesting people.
	There is either a glitch on Twitter where it's not counting live views, Total views, cumulative views, which seems to be impacting overall total live views.
	And as people say, YouTube, for example, as people drop off, the number of live viewers on YouTube goes down, but the number on X only goes up, which is interesting.
	I'm going to tweet out about that afterwards and see if that's a glitch or a new design feature for Twitter.
	What was I just about to do here?
	Oh, yes, I was going to give everybody the link.
	Locals.
	No, there was another thing I was going to do.
	Locals, we've got Biltong in the house.
	Let me see what this one says here.
	We've got another Rumble rant, and then we're going to go over to vivabarneslaw.locals.com.
	Good morning from Anton's in Roanoke, Texas.
	Free shipping for your Biltong using code VIVA on www.biltong.com, biltongusa.com, and www.antonusa.com.
	The Anton's website is antonsusa.com, antonsusa.com.
	Thank you very much, Biltong.
	I'm going to the post office to see if the Biltong is there.
	It's like a wet beef jerky alternative.
	We're going to taste it, and then I'm going to have my people call his people if it's good, and we'll talk shop.
	We'll talk shop.
	Everybody's looking for a healthy, beefy, protein alternative.
	And I'm going to go to YouTube and give everyone the link to Locals.
	Link to Locals.
	And everyone, stay tuned for tonight because it's going to be hilarious.
	I made a...
	Let me show you what I made because I'm funny and creative.
	Let's go here.
	Let's go to this one.
	Twitter.
	Bring up my State of the Union speech bingo card.
	It's more of a Connect Four card.
	And the only question is going to be which line is going to fill up first because I have a feeling the entire minus one, the entire board is going to fill up and you'll tell me which one is the least likely.
	I'm going to go ahead and say it's Joe Biden farting is going to be the least likely to come up.
	But this is my State of the Union, Connect Four.
	Row one is January 6th.
	They're going to have to mention it.
	Diversity is our strength.
	He's going to have to say it.
	Blame Trump for the border.
	Guaranteed it's going to be there.
	Bipartisan border bill verbatim has to be there.
	If we're going to the next row over, we got quote MAGA.
	It has to be terminology exactly.
	The word extremist.
	Then we're going a little bit adventurous.
	MAGA extremist has to be said.
	He may or may not have been told not to say it.
	White nationalism.
	That's in quotes.
	We'll see if that comes up.
	Let me be clear.
	Guaranteed.
	Make no mistake.
	Guaranteed.
	Blank stare.
	Virtually guaranteed.
	And standing ovation.
	Yeah, this row is going to fill up first.
	That's for sure.
	Then you got your farts.
	Pause lasting 10 plus seconds.
	The word insurrection.
	And the exact term threat to democracy.
	I'll give everybody a link to that game.
	And we shall play it all together tonight in real time.
	Let me see what we got to do.
	Blank stare is a moneymaker.
	No, no, the applause is the moneymaker.
	I should have even put that one in there.
	Link to a scorecard.
	And you've all got the link to Rumble.
	So now what I'm going to do, because I have to refresh my memory as to how I exit the stream.
	Go here.
	I just want to make sure not to kill the stream by accident.
	Okay, now I'm getting an ad there.
	That's fine.
	That's good.
	Chat's coming up live.
	Link to...
	Is this the tweet or Locals?
	That's the tweet.
	So come on over to Locals.
	VivaBarnesLaw.Locals.com We're going to have the after party talk a little bit.
	Take some questions.
	I hope I got all the questions for Steve that I had invited in the chat there.
	And if you're not coming there, people, add Whisper into mic and farts.
	Hey guys, I'm Joe Biden.
	It's working.
	Link to Locals.
	Okay.
	Bada bing, bada boom.
	There you go.
	All right.
	So now I'm going to end and I'm going to see how I do this.
	If I go up...
	So I go to this little squiggly arrow.
	Everybody, tonight, I'll go live maybe around 8.45.
	8.30, 8.45.
	We'll see.
	We'll do the State of the Union and then maybe a little after discussion.
	So it will be fun.
	Okay.
	So I'm going to go...
	I'm going to end on all platforms.
	No.
	Let me see what goes on here.
	Rumble in Locals Only.
	Locals Supporters Only.
	Is there a way to end it?
	One by one?
	Okay, so we're going to Locals Supporters Only, people.
	And that's it.
	I'll see you tonight.
	It won't be a very long after-party on Locals, but we're going to have one nonetheless.
	So, see you there.
	That was fantastic.
	Snip, clip, share away of that interview, and I'll be posting it.
	No, it's in its entirety already on YouTube.
	That's it.
	Okay, go, people.
	I'll see you tonight.

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