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Aug. 9, 2023 - Viva & Barnes

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Live with Post Millennial's Libby Emmons! Andy Ngo Trial Post-Mortem AND MORE! Viva Frei

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	And now we're going to get right into it, people.
	If you don't know what's going on in the news, and you don't know who Andy Ngo is, if you are award-winning journalist Rachel Gilmore out of Canada, and you reply to a tweet saying how the defendants in Andy Ngo's trial were just let off on charges of having violently beaten him.
	And then you reply with a little smiley face emoji and then you're like, oh, maybe that's not the best thing that a journalist should be doing, promoting violence against other journalists and then claim not to know who Andy Ngo is when there's tweet evidence of Rachel Gilmore knowing who Andy Ngo is.
	Bygones.
	Award-winning journalist Rachel Gilmore's explanation was, I didn't read the article before I retweeted with a smiley face haha emoji.
	Forgive me.
	Andy Ngo sued some of his assailants in the violent, what has been known as the milkshake attack.
	And it was a civil trial for damages, and they were, I don't think the word is acquitted.
	He did not prevail in his lawsuit.
	Libby Emmons, who you may know, you may, you all have to know her, but she'll introduce herself.
	She's editor-in-chief at the Post Millennial, has been covering this story, among other things.
	And if you don't know who she is, you should know who she is.
	Libby, are you ready to come in?
	Okay, here we go.
	Libby, first of all, I feel like I know you because what's the name of the actress who I say you look like?
	Elizabeth Moss.
	Elizabeth Moss.
	I've heard that before.
	It's uncanny.
	And I've never seen A Handmaid's Tale.
	I think I know Elizabeth Moss from Get Him to the Greek.
	That's how long I've known her for.
	I knew her when she played Zoe Bartlett.
	She played the president's daughter on The West Wing.
	I've never seen one episode of The West Wing, even though I love...
	What's that guy's name?
	Eric from...
	I know Billy Madison's Eric is in it.
	Which one is Eric?
	I don't know that.
	Eric from Billy Madison.
	Eric?
	He's a bad, bad man.
	The one who wanted to take over Madison Enterprises.
	I didn't see that one.
	I didn't see that movie.
	You've never seen Billy Madison?
	I don't think so.
	This interview is so...
	Oh my god!
	You have to go tonight.
	And watch Billy Madison.
	It's one of the greatest...
	Top ten comedies of all time.
	I don't care what people say.
	Is this an Adam Sandler movie?
	Yes, it is.
	It's when he's an idiot and he has to go pass through grades, kindergarten to grade whatever, high school, in order to take over his father's hotel business.
	It's a classic.
	It's a classic.
	I haven't seen that one.
	I do love other ones.
	Anyway, sure.
	For those who don't know who you are, you have an hour.
	We'll see if you go more than...
	Okay, you have an hour, give or take.
	For those who don't know who you are...
	And we're not going to get into your childhood now, but introduce yourself to the world.
	And also everyone out there should know, for whatever the reason, I was unfollowed, involuntarily or involuntarily from you on Twitter.
	Let the world know who you are.
	I'm Libby Emmons.
	I'm Editor-in-Chief of the Postmillennial and Humanevents.com.
	Okay, now, you know, I'm an idiot.
	I should have double-checked that we're in fact live.
	We're live everywhere.
	How long have you been with Postmillennial for?
	I started with Postmillennial in 2019 as a freelancer.
	And actually, right before COVID, it was sort of a blessing.
	I got a job with an actual job with Postmillennial March 1st, 2020.
	I signed the contract, which was great because then I had a job.
	Where did you work before, if I may ask?
	I was freelancing.
	I didn't have a job.
	Freelance journalism.
	Yeah, well, it was even worse than that.
	I was a freelance columnist.
	So I was writing for a number of different outlets, all of which are great.
	The Federalist, Spectator, U.S. Who else was I writing for?
	Postmillennial, Quillette.
	I was writing for a number of different outlets.
	And it was great, but it was lovely once I got an actual job.
	I'm going to ask the totally indiscreet question.
	When you're a freelance...
	Like that.
	How does it work to get paid?
	You get paid by the article?
	Yeah, you get paid by the article.
	And I presume it's not very much and it's difficult to put out enough content to make a decent, a secure life?
	Yeah, that's right.
	That's right.
	So I remember actually there was one week in June 2019 that was my best week as a freelancer and I wrote 12 columns in one week.
	And if I may, I'm going to ask a totally indiscreet question.
	I need to know.
	Per column, what would someone be looking at?
	Is it like $50?
	Is it $300?
	It varied.
	It varied between $50 and like $400.
	So some outlets would pay $400 and I was pitching them all the time.
	I was like, yay, come on.
	British outlets pay better, so I was pitching the British outlets I was working for at the time.
	I wrote for Unheard, which was a really interesting outlet, and some others.
	But yeah, mostly I wanted to work with Postmillennial because there was such a huge opportunity, it being a small publication, come in on the ground floor, really have a chance to be creative and to do interesting things.
	You didn't have to.
	It was the kind of outlet where...
	I could put my stamp on it as well.
	And that was welcomed.
	So it was a very good match when that was made.
	And then I came on as editor-in-chief about a year after I came on as an editor.
	So that was, I want to say, April 2021.
	Okay.
	Well, you came in at the best possible time.
	There was no shortage of news and no shortage of stuff with which to edit.
	Is it based out of Canada?
	I know it has a Canadian connection, right?
	Yeah, we were founded in Montreal by Matthew Azraeli, who actually now runs a record label called Based Records.
	And so that's where we were based.
	We have roots in Canada.
	We have a number of people at the Postmillennial are still in Canada.
	Our entire social media team is in Canada, which is exciting because they keep being like, I don't think anybody can see our stuff now.
	What are we doing?
	Well, as far as I know, they haven't implemented the protocol yet because I think the CRTC still needs to determine how they're going to implement the rules.
	And I don't think that Google and Facebook have yet shut out news outlets entirely.
	We did get some weird warnings.
	We did get some weird warnings that said readers in Canada cannot see this content.
	No way.
	Yeah, we did.
	So we were looking at that, but we could not.
	Always replicate it.
	Wow.
	I don't know if you've gotten the screen grabs and posted it, but get the screen grabs.
	Yeah, we have.
	You know what?
	I'll send it to you.
	Okay, please.
	Yeah, because news outlets, in order to remain independent, are going to have to leave Canada because they're going to be suffocated, much to the benefit of the other outlets that get government subsidies that will not be suffocated, or they'll survive.
	Yeah, we were actually bought.
	We were bought by an American company.
	So now we're American.
	Fantastic.
	Now we have free speech until we don't.
	I don't know if you're following the news that came out about the protective orders in the Trump indictment and what Jack Smith was getting from Twitter and gagging Twitter for.
	Only one injustice at a time we can deal with.
	You've been covering, but like you explained to me before we went live, not directly.
	You weren't in the courtroom, but you've been covering.
	Right.
	And what's it called?
	Not editing, but reviewing the work of your journalist who was in attendance at the Andy No trial.
	Katie Davis Court was, she was out in Portland.
	She was at the courthouse covering Andy's civil trial that he brought against two people who are Antifa.
	And also he brought suit against Rose City Antifa, which is the Antifa in Portland.
	And interestingly, the judge said that he could not bring suit against Rose City Antifa because they weren't a legitimate organization.
	So the suit ended up being against two individuals who he claimed were present and participated in an attack he experienced.
	In 2021.
	Let me just check my notes and make sure I have it exactly right.
	And I'm going to ask you a ton of questions.
	I'm going to keep checking my notes because Katie Davis Court did an amazing job of reporting.
	I reviewed her articles with her.
	I talked through it.
	So anything I'm going to tell you is based on her reporting and based on conversations that she and I had throughout the time she was covering the trial.
	Alright, so, and starting from the way beginning, Andy Ngo, he's a journalist.
	What really pisses me off, and I try not to engage with the trolls on Twitter, because I have a number of them already muted, people online are like, Andy Ngo's not a journalist.
	I was like, okay, whether or not you think he's not a journalist, that wouldn't condone or...
	Authorize or tolerate his abuse.
	Okay, he's not a journalist.
	He's an activist.
	Big effing deal.
	I would totally disagree with that assessment also.
	It's stupid.
	It's a stupid thing to say.
	He's 100% a journalist.
	More of a journalist than anybody on MSNBC, CNN, or even Fox News.
	Do you know his origin story?
	He came to prominence.
	It was pre-COVID.
	It was around the Antifa protests.
	Yeah, well, Andy went to journalism school.
	He got a degree, I believe, in journalism from Portland State University, if I recall correctly.
	And I apologize if I don't have that exactly right.
	And he started covering and looking into Antifa as a student.
	It was interesting to him.
	There were things happening.
	If I recall, he was warned against it.
	And being a journalist, being a very curious-minded individual, being an American red-blooded male, he was absolutely opposed to the idea that there was something he was not allowed to report on.
	And so he dug in deeper.
	And really started to get interested in what was going on in his hometown.
	He's from Portland.
	His parents are Vietnamese.
	They're from Vietnam.
	But he was born and raised in Portland.
	So he wanted to know what was going on in his city.
	And he got very interested in it.
	Trouble started, however, when he actually started reporting on these people and on their activities.
	And Antifa, from what I know, working with Andy and also Jack Posobiec, who is with Human Events and has written and reported extensively on Antifa, from what I know, speaking with both of these gentlemen...
	Antifa does not like to be exposed.
	They don't like their activities to be reported on.
	They prefer to work in darkness.
	So as soon as Andy starts bringing people to light, showing what's really going on, they go after him.
	And they go after him sort of en masse in order to get him to be quiet.
	But he's a very hard person to intimidate.
	All right, now what we're going to do, we're going to end this on YouTube.
	It's not going to change anything from our end.
	We're going to go over to Rumble exclusively.
	So everyone, here's the link yet again.
	And then we're going to get into Road City Antifa.
	What is it?
	Andy, no.
	The assault.
	The trial.
	Over on Rumble.
	And then also on vivabarneslaw.locals.com.
	So ending on YouTube right now because YouTube doesn't deserve our presence.
	Okay, done.
	All right.
	Now, not that it changes anything.
	And there's things that I don't know that I didn't know until people...
	You know, say them to prove a point.
	And, you know, above and beyond being the son of immigrants, he happens to be also gay, which makes a lot of this type of persecution or abuse all the more ironic coming from the tolerant LGBTQ2IA plus left side of the aisle.
	He was known to be gay before any of this occurred, right?
	That was not like Something that came out...
	I'm not sure.
	I don't think that...
	I've known Andy for a few years at this point.
	I believe we first met in...
	I want to say 2019 is when we first met at an event in Philadelphia.
	And I don't know a time when he was not out, if that makes sense.
	Okay.
	No, let's say that.
	And I knew nothing of this until they were saying, like, how ironic they're physically assaulting an immigrant who also happens to be of a certain sexual persuasion that typically warrants protection, not violence, and that would otherwise be a hate crime.
	Why it's not a hate crime here?
	Politics ruins everything.
	Yeah, they call him a white supremacist.
	I just got called a Nazi on YouTube also, by the way.
	Not on YouTube, on Twitter.
	Yeah, great.
	He's the Vietnamese face of white supremacy.
	That's how they're going to...
	Okay, it's absurd.
	It's absurd.
	Sorry.
	So he's reporting on...
	He's reporting on this, and then what happens of the incident?
	Because there was escalation, right?
	Where he was outed.
	Obviously, it was known that he's not welcome.
	He shows up to document another event in a black...
	What's it called?
	Black block.
	Black block, yeah.
	Black block.
	And then is outed and then is assaulted?
	Like, is that the right timeline?
	Yeah, so you mentioned the milkshake attack.
	That was actually in August 2019.
	And he wrote about that in his book Unmasked, as well as, like, you know, some history of Antifa in America and things like that.
	But the incident that he brought these people, John Hacker and Elizabeth Richter, to court over was actually in...
	May 2021.
	He had come back to Portland to do some reporting on a street action, on some protests.
	He was identified.
	He was recognized.
	Andy said that John Hacker identified him, had come up to him, asked him, you know.
	How his goggles were working because Andy was wearing goggles.
	He was wearing full black.
	He was wearing a hat, if I recall, and a BLM flag as a cape.
	He was like really trying to blend in.
	Hacker apparently identified him and testified that he thought it was Andy and had told other people.
	And additionally, another independent journalist.
	He had told all of these people that he thought it was Andy.
	So Andy was identified through his, you know, disguise and ended up being chased.
	He tried to, you know, beaten up and he ended up taking cover in a hotel, trying to take cover there.
	He also alleged that Elizabeth Richter, who was also a defendant in this civil case, was telling people where he was and encouraging people to come beat him up.
	And is that when he sustained the serious injuries or the serious injuries from the milkshake attack in 2019?
	The milkshake, when he had a traumatic brain injury, that was in 2019.
	Okay, so this lawsuit, which is a civil lawsuit, not a criminal one, against a couple of defendants and an entity that was...
	We'll get into how it was not included in the lawsuit.
	The serious brain traumatic injury was not the one that was the object of this civil suit?
	Right.
	That's correct.
	That was a separate incident.
	Okay.
	And so now he sued some of the Antifa members who...
	There was, I guess, some degree of assault, some degree of intentional infliction of emotional distress, if we believe the allegations.
	He gets identified, chased, harassed, etc., etc.
	And beaten up, yeah.
	And he was trying to hold them accountable for that because he had been able to identify them after, you know, digging into it.
	Now, who were the parties to this lawsuit?
	Civil?
	Who were the defendants?
	So the defendants were a man called John Hacker.
	And a woman called Elizabeth Richter, both of whom Andy identified as part of Antifa in Portland and who don't deny that themselves.
	Hacker says that he is an anti-fascist.
	He does not claim the term Antifa because he says that that is something that the right wing uses against them.
	It's like, oh, okay.
	Don't use the words that define you because other people also use those words.
	Makes perfect sense.
	Anyways, so that was his take.
	And Elizabeth Richter reportedly runs some Twitter accounts that she uses to expose people like Andy and to, you know, direct Antifa action and things like this.
	And this is what I know from talking to Katie, you know, and Andy over the years.
	Andy was not able to discuss the trial this week.
	He was under a gag order.
	I'll ask him if, well, we'll see if he'll, you know, do an interview afterwards and talk about this.
	There was a third individual defendant with whom Andy settled last week?
	Yeah, he settled with another person, and I know that's around here somewhere.
	Well, the name doesn't really matter, and we don't know any of the terms of the settlement.
	We don't know any of the terms of the settlement, and there are a couple of other people who were found in default, and they will be dealt with by the judge.
	After this case is over.
	A legal question that I wouldn't be able to answer now would be the acquittal.
	It's not the acquittal, but it's the finding of non-culpability.
	I forget the term.
	Regardless, now that we've got that against the two actual defendants who defended, what happens to the defaulting defendants?
	Because you could, in theory, have conflicting judgments.
	Although, as a matter of fact, they could be...
	Not mutually exclusive.
	These two, no evidence that they actually assaulted or did anything.
	And the others didn't present evidence.
	So we'll see.
	Right.
	So it'll be interesting.
	And John Hacker, the man in the case who Andy brought suit against, was actually found not guilty of an assault a few years ago that preceded the May 2021 incident.
	And that was May 2019.
	Andy had done some reporting.
	He ran into Hacker at a local gym and Hacker threw water on him and ran off with his phone.
	So he had been, and I have that story right here, he had been brought up on charges of third-degree robbery for the May 2019 incident at the gym and he was found not guilty.
	In that case.
	What was interesting, though, was in this case, in the civil trial, he was on the stand and under cross-examination.
	He admitted to that attack.
	And this is not guilty to it.
	Yeah.
	We're going to flesh that out in a second as well.
	But before we even get there, Rose City Antifa.
	Now, let me see if it's got a Wikipedia page.
	I don't need to bring it up, but I'll read it.
	RTA is an anti-fascist group founded in 2007 in Portland, Oregon, a leftist group that is the oldest known active Antifa group in the United States.
	It was formed in 2007 to coordinate opposition to music festival that was planned to be held near Portland by neo-Nazis.
	Okay, whatever.
	So it was dismissed from the lawsuit, or the judge dismissed them as defendants.
	Was it because it's not incorporated?
	Because it's...
	Yeah, so we have a report out from Eva Knott, who does some reporting on Antifa in San Diego and has worked with us before.
	And she reported on the pretrial hearing from July 14th that the judge declared that the respondent Rose City Antifa, and this is the quote, is not a discrete entity under common law and therefore could not be sued or served.
	And so Rose City Antifa was dismissed from the lawsuit.
	So that meant that the two respondents were left, and that was Hacker and Elizabeth Richter.
	Interesting.
	So it's not a legal entity, not an incorporation, not a partnership.
	They don't file taxes.
	It's what we know for sure.
	So settled with one defendant, and then we're going to get to the acquittal because there might be some arguably jury intimidation here.
	Hacker.
	As one of the two defendants, he was on stand where there was an article in the Post Millennial about how he had, it sounded like a few good men moment where he admitted and broke down on the stand to partaking in identifying no.
	Can you explain the context of that, how they get this a few good men moment and what he was admitting to?
	Identifying no, but not partaking in the assault or the harassment?
	Yeah.
	I just lost my little page.
	What happened there?
	Hold on one second.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	I'm going to continue reading about Rose City Antifa has campaigned against white supremacist organizations.
	The Volks Front, the band Death in June, the Ku Klux Klan, and a bunch of other stuff.
	The group has organized opposite...
	It does not mention the legal status or the legal structure of this Rose City Antifa.
	Well, you certainly would not imagine that...
	Certainly would not imagine that...
	Wikipedia would give us that information.
	They're so non-biased.
	It sounds like you have a very laudable objective, to fight Nazis.
	Andy Ngo does not look much like a Nazi, but what do I know?
	I'm just an old school guy.
	He looks like a white supremacist, right?
	That's what we know.
	Yeah, so John Hacker was accused of, and I'm just going to tell you what Katie reported, he was accused of approaching and identifying Andy during the protest street action in May 2021.
	And this led to a series of beatings that was carried out by Antifa militants against Andy.
	Andy sought refuge inside the Nines Hotel, which is in downtown Portland.
	He was wearing black attire to try and conceal his identity.
	He was wearing a pair of goggles, and Hacker approached him that night.
	You know, Hacker testified that he did approach Andy because he was wearing goggles that stood out.
	He said that he asked Andy a question about his goggles and that he didn't know it was Andy at the time, but then did suspect that it was Andy afterwards based on his, you know, physical stature, the way that he carried himself and his mannerisms.
	So after he...
	Approached Andy.
	He then revealed his suspicions that it was, and, you know, to independent journalist Sergio Almos, who was also there.
	So Hacker then testified that he approached Andy, told Almos about his suspicions.
	But he did not say that he told anybody else about it that night.
	He was asked about if he used Twitter to dox people, which is, of course, revealing personal details about a person in order to have them be targeted by others.
	I feel like it's important that people know there's a lot of right-wingers that infiltrate, and so anytime that happens, I note it on Twitter.
	He also said that he spoke to the other defendant, Elizabeth Richter, shortly after talking to Andy about his goggles.
	Richter has also been accused of Doxing people on Twitter and had been accused that night of doxing him on livestream, saying where he was and where people could come find him.
	And there is evidence of that.
	There's video evidence of her doing that.
	So, yeah.
	So, Richter on Twitter that night, May 28th, 2021, thanked a...
	Can I quote her curse?
	Oh, yeah, please, please, please.
	She revealed that it was revealed by Hacker during the testimony that Richter had thanked a badass fucking comrade for identifying Andy on Twitter following the attack.
	So after the attack, she thanked whoever had done that.
	Hacker said he didn't know who she was talking to.
	But yeah, he testified, Hacker testified that he didn't see the assaults and didn't know who attacked Andy.
	I mean, this is more like you play devil's advocate.
	The basis of the defense of the two defendants is that we don't know who did it.
	You're suing the wrong people.
	And that's, I presume, in as much as there's no motivation for the not guilty verdict.
	Jesus, I'm getting mixed up.
	Not liable.
	They don't justify it, but that was the defense.
	And obviously, that's what was retained by the defense or by the jury.
	These two people might have done some certain things, but they didn't physically assault them, and they were the wrong people, so find the right people, and you'll have your lawsuit, except, lo and behold, everyone's wearing black block and can't be identified.
	And so on the stand, though, Hacker says, yes, I'm very smart.
	I noticed he was wearing goggles, and I go around checking everybody who's in black block to make sure that...
	Everything matches up, and if something looks suspicious, we know we have someone infiltrating our Antifa for nefarious purposes.
	He admits to that, and then nonetheless says, but I didn't hit him, I didn't strike him, I didn't do anything to him, so find the people who did, and you'll have your verdict.
	Yeah, Hacker was also asked about Rose City Antifa, and he said, obviously, they have a website.
	And there's some type of organization or collaboration, but that he's not familiar with them.
	Although he did testify, per Katie's notes, that he communicated with people in black block on occasion.
	And he also did admit to having taken Andy's phone and thrown water on him at the gym.
	Do we know the defense to that criminal case?
	I just pulled up an article from Yahoo, which is such...
	Rubbish.
	I'm not even going to read it.
	It says, Andy, no.
	Loses his criminal trial because he got caught in a blatant lie on the stand.
	What was Hacker's defense in the criminal trial?
	Do you know that offhand?
	I don't have that.
	Let me see if I can find it.
	Because I guess too late, too bad, so sad.
	He got off on that one, even though he might have made an admission here that might have contradicted his defense in the criminal trial.
	Okay, so I'm going to have a few questions, and there's some in the chat that I definitely need to get to.
	Yeah, I know that we have a story going back to that, which was that verdict came out in November, so I can find that.
	It doesn't really matter for the purposes of this, because the shocking element to this finding of non, jeez, not guilty, not liable, might be...
	Whether or not anybody can get a fair trial where there is actual, active, in-your-face jury intimidation, which we'll get to in a second.
	The other defendant, what was her name again?
	Elizabeth Richter.
	And her defense, same as hacker.
	I didn't do anything with my own hands.
	You have no evidence that I did.
	You're suing the wrong person.
	Yeah, let me pull hers up.
	It was interesting.
	The defense tried to discredit Andy by saying that...
	Where did it go?
	They tried to discredit him by saying that he'd been on Fox News and that this meant in some way that like...
	He's a white supremacist.
	Did he appear on Tucker?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	No, but the issue is, and I can see the defense, nobody denies that Andy got harassed and assaulted.
	Is there evidence, not beyond a doubt, because this is civil, but preponderance of the evidence that Hacker and the other person were the ones to have done it?
	And I can see that, you know, if you pick two and you see some of the videos, I don't know what video evidence there was of this late night attack, but I can, it's an easy defense to say, show me any evidence, even balance of probabilities that I laid a hand on him or I did anything and I can understand it.
	But we need to get into the other mayhem of the trial, including the lawyer.
	Libby, no.
	So, I read things on the internet, and I can't believe that they're true.
	Did you read the closing arguments?
	Yeah.
	You'll have to, I mean, tell the world.
	No one's going to believe it coming out of my mouth.
	The defense lawyer said she's Antifa.
	Yeah, she said that she, yeah, let's find that exact thing.
	Katie did a great job doing this reporting.
	I can't believe it.
	It's hard to believe.
	She said, I am Antifa.
	And insisted that she was going to make herself an "I am Antifa" t-shirt, which she would then wear after the trial.
	She said resistance in this country has never been peaceful in defense of Antifa.
	This is the defense attorney.
	She also said that the people who beat up Andy were terrorists.
	You know, did not take any responsibility for that.
	She said that the U.S. has an unregulated Internet, and therefore Andy needs to take responsibility for what he says, that his conduct has not been pristine, attacked his credibility as a journalist, called him a rage machine.
	All of this crazy stuff.
	And she also told jurors that she will remember each one of their faces.
	Now, this is after the judge had already said that there had been threats against the jurors posted online.
	There had already been threats on the very first day of the trial.
	On the very first day of the trial, the judge said that.
	Let's flesh this out because, first of all, okay, the lawyer...
	In closing arguments, I will remember each one of your faces.
	I am Antifa.
	This is like having a mob trial, and you have a mob lawyer saying, I know where Uzal lives, and I won't forget it.
	Oh, you've got nice businesses there.
	But tell us the documented intimidation.
	You've got a nice country there, Governor.
	Be ashamed of what happened to it.
	My goodness.
	And while you do that, I'm going to pull up the actual statement from the lawyer.
	What were some of the examples of...
	Yeah, so on the very first day, there were protections put into place by the judge because of alleged threats of violence and doxing of the jury members.
	And these were made by unspecified individuals, according to the jury.
	Now, I will also say...
	We had expected the trial to be live-streamed.
	At the last minute, the court decided not to live-stream the trial.
	We had expected that we would be able to take video recordings.
	We were not able to take video recordings.
	We then anticipated perhaps we would be able to, you know, bring in a, I'm going to use this word, I'm going to date myself, a dictaphone, which is like a, you know, voice recorder.
	We anticipated we could bring that in.
	Libby, I'm asking now.
	How old are you?
	Why is that anybody's business?
	I'm 47. Shut the front door!
	I will be 48 in September.
	Oh my...
	I cannot.
	I swear to you, I would have given you 25 to 30, which is why I'm asking why you know what a dictaphone is.
	Because when I started the practice of law, we all had dictaphones.
	Captain Stargate, like, I have a good idea here for a file.
	Oh my goodness.
	No, I loved a dictaphone.
	My dad was an attorney.
	He still is an attorney.
	He always had dictaphones.
	He had like a hard leather briefcase.
	It was the whole thing.
	I never had the leather briefcase.
	It looked like titanium, but it was actually just cheap plastic crap.
	Oh, that's classic.
	Okay, so holy crab apples.
	I totally forgot what I was saying.
	You blew me away with that answer to the question.
	Yeah, I'm older than Elizabeth Moss, substantially.
	You're older than me.
	I thought you were a kid.
	All right, so there were issues from day one.
	Oh my goodness.
	Okay.
	Carry on, I guess.
	So there were overt acts, like people catching the jury in the hallway?
	I don't know.
	I don't remember people catching the jury in the hallway.
	I do know that Katie reported to me that there were, at certain points, there were Antifa members in the courtroom sitting down directly behind Andy and whispering and making noises at him.
	She was also...
	Approached and harassed.
	This is Katie.
	This is your journalist.
	Katie Davis Court.
	Yeah.
	Our reporter.
	So she was on the...
	The last day of the trial on Tuesday, which was, I guess, yesterday.
	It was just yesterday.
	The jury went out to deliberate.
	Katie went out to the elevators to wait for the elevator to go downstairs.
	She was also interested to see what was happening outside the courtroom, if there were protests or anything like that.
	So she's waiting by the elevator, and Elizabeth Richter came over to her with two other women, one of whom Katie identified as part of Antifa.
	And they said to her, and this was amazing.
	Where is everything?
	And just for the record, scratch about meeting the juries, this is what I think I remembered.
	Yeah, so they came up to her.
	She was waiting for the elevator along with two others.
	Richter called Katie a fascist and a liar.
	If they called her a fascist, they got to be answering her.
	It's like the worst insult they can think of.
	You are a bundle of sticks.
	No, you're a fascist, therefore I'm going to dox you, harass you, threaten you, and, you know, someone might assault you, but you're the fascist.
	Right.
	And then they said, the elevator came, and they said, get in the elevator with us.
	Why won't you get in the elevator with us?
	We want you in here.
	And Katie said it was very threatening.
	What was interesting, too, is when she called me to tell me about this and we were talking about it and I was saying, well, you know, we should probably write a story about this.
	John Hacker walked up to her literally while she was on the phone with me and said, why are you lying in your reporting, Katie, and was threatening to her as well at that time.
	So both defendants approached our reporter and were threatening and harassing her and then claimed that she was lying about everything.
	So I think that's so interesting that there just weren't a lot of journalists in the room either.
	There was one other person here who does a blog.
	They were out here.
	There were issues with photographers.
	So the first day of the trial.
	Nobody's even covering it now.
	It's not shocking.
	It's just like barely anybody in the legacy mainstream media is covering this now.
	Right.
	Yeah, it's pretty bizarre to think that journalists can be harassed, threatened, doxxed, beat up by left-wing, violent, militant activists.
	And the entire media enterprise in this country is content to cover it up, pretend it's not happening, and claim that the organized criminal group that goes about doing these kinds of crimes in the name of their far-left ideology doesn't even exist.
	Here, let me bring this up here.
	I just found...
	Let's see here.
	There we go.
	Okay.
	Oh, come on.
	Refresh.
	Here.
	I'm going to present this, share this, breaking...
	This is the article.
	Okay.
	That's John Hacker.
	Where were we with the defense?
	Hold on.
	Where was...
	Defense lawyer.
	I am Antifa.
	Your defendant...
	No, that's...
	Here we go.
	Here we go.
	This is it.
	During the closing statements, defense lawyer Michelle Burroughs told jurors that not only does she self-identify as both a progressive and an anti-fascist, she strongly declared, quote, I am Antifa, end quote, and insisted upon making herself an, quote, I am Antifa shirt, which she said she would wear after the trial, despite Antifa's...
	Significant recorded history of violence.
	She told the jury that Antifa's unfavorable reputation is untrue and depicted the organized militant group as activists fighting for social justice and civil rights.
	And there you have an ad for GenuCell, which is...
	How did that get there?
	I was just talking about them at the beginning of the show.
	Stunning.
	So Katie says very few other journalists were there.
	Was she able to, I don't know, identify any other journalists that were there?
	Yeah, she knew some of the other people that were there, like the reporter for the Oregonian who was there.
	And I forget who else she said was there, but on the last day, there was another reporter there.
	A local Portland outlet came to cover it.
	I really wish I had gone.
	I had a vacation planned with my family that week, and it's been planned for months.
	And I was like, oh, I should have been out there.
	But I had a lovely time.
	But anyway, that's not the point.
	So Katie was out there.
	She was covering this.
	And there were also issues with photographers.
	So as I said, there was no live streaming.
	There was no recording in the courtroom.
	And photography was limited as well.
	So the very first day, photographers were allowed to take photographs.
	The second day, I got a call from one of the clerks at the court.
	For Katie's credentials.
	They wanted me to verify her background, how long she'd worked with us.
	They also asked about a freelance photographer who was out there covering for us as well.
	Chelly Boufrank was out there and I gave information about both.
	Chelly was not permitted to take photographs that day.
	The court decided on a...
	Having a pool photographer who would be out there to take the photographs.
	The pool photographer that day took a couple of photographs, only stayed for an hour.
	The next day, I believe Chelly was allowed to take photographs.
	The next day, one of the photographers who had been designated the pool photographer did not show up.
	There was discussion that the photographer was supposed to alternate.
	It did not alternate.
	Eventually, the pool photographer took a bunch of photos, posted them with the AP, and then we had to pay to get the photographs from the trial because we weren't allowed to take photographs.
	At a certain point, at one of the days, The pool photographer did not show up at all.
	And so Katie asked if she could take photographs.
	She was denied.
	They said that no one from the post-millennial would be allowed to take photographs.
	And the fact that none of this was broadcast, the fact that, I mean, yes, can you be an old-school journalist and show up and take notes and write a story and file on time, blah, blah, blah, blah.
	Sure, you know, put a pencil in your cap, have a great day.
	We are living in an era where there are many means of communicating a story and facts are important.
	Yet this court decided that there was no reason for transparency.
	They hid behind these threats against the jury.
	I believe the defense was probably, you know, I mean, why would anybody say the post-millennial specifically isn't allowed to take photographs to Katie unless there was something coming from the defense that was...
	You know, saying like, oh, you know, we hate them or whatever.
	And of course, Andy works with us.
	So that's obvious.
	Perhaps there was.
	But whatever.
	I mean, the point is there was no transparency in this court.
	Early on, they said that they would be providing minutes from the courtrooms, from the court.
	They never provided any minutes.
	It was just shockingly inaccessible.
	And so when you look at our reporting on this that Katie did, it is exhaustive.
	Each story she did is substantially long and the reason for that is she took notes as fast as she could on as much as she could and then we just published it all because we thought the most important thing here is transparency and the most important thing is to get out as much about this as possible in as transparent a way as possible so that people can look at it for themselves since this is the only real record that we have out there.
	And if you look at the Oregonians reporting, it's very brief.
	There's not a lot to it.
	Well, also, the Oregonian is behind a paywall.
	Yeah.
	That's another, and I can't even bypass it with an archived link, so the Oregonian is good for whoever wants to sign up and support them, but it's not for the general public's consumption.
	All right, now hold on.
	There's a couple of questions here, and I don't know these names.
	Is Elizabeth Richter, this is from Waha Tonin on Rumble, is Elizabeth Richter the woman who went after Anna Nello?
	Do you know this?
	I don't.
	Okay.
	I don't know who Annanello is.
	I'll Google that in a second.
	I'm just reading the rumble rant there.
	And I'm not your buddy, guys, saying things like, it's always darkest before the dawn, or evil prevails when good men do.
	Nothing literally achieved.
	Nothing, only action can change these things.
	It's time to act locally, get involved peacefully, politically, non-violently.
	And then in our locals community, hold on, there was a comment, yes, from Uppity Livestock.
	It says, Emmons, no, and the post-millennial.
	Are a great group.
	And Katie, you know, no one else was covering it.
	I could not believe what I was reading on the Post Millennial about this, so I DM'd you.
	Do you know how long the jury deliberated for?
	It was only a few hours, maybe like three or four hours.
	Katie said that during that period, she went out of the courtroom because she wasn't allowed to, like, you know, write in the courtroom.
	Was she not allowed to?
	Oh, she couldn't get Wi-Fi.
	That's what it was.
	There was no Wi-Fi access in the courtroom.
	She left the courtroom, and she said tensions were incredibly high during that period while the jury was deliberating.
	These two Antifa people, John Hacker and Elizabeth Richter, were both...
	Andy was suing for, I think, $900,000.
	Neither of them...
	I don't either, but neither of them would have had that kind of cash, which I doubt Andy was going to.
	I think the verdict was really the key thing that he was looking for.
	Have you spoken to Andy since the verdict came out?
	Just to basically have his back.
	That's pretty much it.
	Okay, so other questions which I may have, and I've asked the chat if they have any specific questions.
	The jury.
	Do we know who was on the jury, what the jury consisted of by way of demographics, age, all that stuff?
	No, we don't have anything on that.
	Press was not allowed in during the jury selection process.
	Katie told me that they looked pretty normal.
	Okay.
	Oh, so they were visible the entire time.
	So when the lawyer is saying, I'm going to remember your faces, it's because she sees them.
	Holy crab apples.
	And do we know anything about this lawyer or her practice in general?
	We do know that prior to this trial, she announced her retirement.
	And we know some stuff previously.
	Let me pull it.
	All right.
	And while you do that, Anna Nello, Waha Tonin says, is the Star Wars girl.
	She was on the channel.
	I didn't know.
	Do I know that that was her name?
	All right.
	So Anna Nello is the Star Wars girl.
	And if I may, so the severe injuries that Andy sustained were, that was during the milkshake incident where some things that were not milkshakes were thrown at him.
	Does he have lingering trauma, lingering injuries as a result of that?
	I believe that medically he's pretty much, I think he's pretty much back to normal.
	I haven't asked him details about his medical situation, but I do know that those were lingering for quite some time.
	Traumatic brain injuries are really hard to get over.
	For sure.
	I've known a few people who've had traumatic brain injuries for different reasons and then sometimes have to have surgery later on down the line to remove scar tissue, to alleviate pressure, migraines, all sorts of stuff.
	Psychologically, I read somewhere, so this can't be a secret, that Andy, because of the distress, left his hometown, is now living elsewhere.
	Does he have any intentions of letting up in terms of journalism, in terms of what he's doing, or is he going to be more determined than ever now?
	He doesn't do as much street reporting at this point, but he is rather identifiable.
	So, you know, being a street reporter is a lot easier if no one has any idea who you are.
	But he still is keeping up his investigative work.
	But not as much in Portland.
	He said, actually, on the stand when he was giving his testimony that the May 21 attack...
	May 2021 attack was one that broke him.
	There he was trying to cover stuff.
	You know, he's a very talented reporter.
	And the next thing he knows, he's being chased down the street running for his life.
	And literally, because if that incident post-dates comes after the savage beating, it's not going to get any better.
	Right, they're only going to.
	Yeah, I think he was pretty sure that they were going to kill him if they got him.
	Humperdoo5024 in our local says, can anything legally be done, witness tampering, intimidation, appeal?
	Do you know if there were any material objections that were raised that might be susceptible of appeal right now?
	I don't know, but I'm certainly not a legal mind here either.
	Barnes and I are going to talk about it Sunday night.
	I couldn't venture a guess.
	This is a jury decision.
	Appeals.
	They're worth nothing anyhow.
	I mean, you got to go pay your lawyers to get through this.
	Yeah, I mean, I would like to get a copy of the transcripts.
	And they were not.
	So they decided on day one not to broadcast this because this is a state.
	This is not federal.
	This is state civil action.
	They could have and should have, in theory, like they broadcast so many other trials.
	Was there any motivation for that restriction?
	No, I didn't get anything about that.
	I had been consistently inquiring as to how we would be able to access the live stream, if there was not going to be a live stream, if we would be able to establish one on our own from the courtroom, if we were going to be able to record video.
	The only communication I got from the court was when they called me to check the credentials of the journalists.
	I left messages after that and none of my calls were returned.
	Joe Maskew says, "Did the defense attorney seriously say in the presence of the judge that she would remember their faces?" This is coming from your reporter, but Libby, she literally said this to the jury.
	Yeah, and when Katie told me about this, she was very upset by it.
	She was like, Libby, I'm literally shaking right now.
	The defense just said she was going to remember all the jurors' faces.
	And she, like, told me what.
	The quote was, and we were both just shocked that this was going on in the courtroom and that this was permitted to be said to a jury that was already under a protective situation because there were fears for their safety.
	So you're telling a jury that you have been actively protecting for a week because of threats against them, that you're going to remember their faces and remember what they do here in this verdict.
	It's just amazing.
	I mean, when you tell somebody, I'm going to remember your face, it's either because you love them or because you hate them.
	It's not because of indifference.
	That's for damn sure.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Upinked, or UPINCT in Rumble, says, Viva, did they find out who vandalized Katie's car and stole her stuff?
	So that's, thank you for reminding me.
	Yeah, no.
	Above and beyond all of this.
	We did not find that out.
	Explain, well, tell the world what happened to Katie, her car.
	Yeah, so Katie had parked near her hotel, and when she got back to her car after the trial ended on Tuesday, she found that all the windows had been smashed, it had been broken into, and the only things that had been stolen were her insurance documents with her address on them.
	Okay, well, there goes one of my theories.
	I was going to say, well, Portland, this trial was in Portland, right?
	I was going to say, Portland, you know, they have a lot of break-ins anyhow.
	And then there were some, I can pull up also, Katie mentioned on Twitter what had happened.
	And there's my little notes here.
	Let's see if I can pull up the tweet, Katie.
	Yeah, she had mentioned what had happened.
	And then after that, an account called Rising PDX made fun of her.
	And it says this.
	Katie Davis Court, as much as you tweet every little thing, why not tweet if someone was following you?
	Or how would one even know what you were driving and where you parked every morning of trial?
	Y 'all really reach in.
	This is sad, you know.
	But it's like people were making fun of her on Twitter after her car got broken into and her identification documents were stolen.
	Here it is.
	This is it.
	Really?
	No, it's...
	Yeah.
	Boo-hoo, and then if it happens to...
	Another person, it's a hate crime, literally.
	That's correct, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Pretty awful.
	You know, and then she had to drive back to where she lives in Seattle, where she's from.
	Well, save on air conditioning.
	Kind of, yeah.
	And it was a, not to ask the stupid question, it was not a rental.
	No, that's her car.
	Because she lives in the area.
	Yeah, she drove up.
	That's Katie Davis.
	All right.
	Okay.
	Or down.
	She drove down, rather.
	Sorry.
	She drove there.
	It doesn't matter.
	But did she file a report or is it not even worth filing a police report anymore?
	I haven't talked to her about it today.
	Just trying to let her, you know, get her whole thing back together, really.
	So I know that she had to get home.
	All right.
	Well, let me see if there's any other questions that we didn't get to.
	I think we did good here.
	Libby, have I forgotten to ask anything?
	Is there anything else?
	Let me just take a little quick look.
	Scuba Jim says, it isn't worth filing in Portland.
	Nothing will happen.
	And then we've got USA Now says, Jesus, JFC, why don't they have cameras in their cars?
	They do have a lot of break-ins.
	Useful tip.
	This is from Astral Doge.
	Please don't rely on the court's Wi-Fi.
	Courts usually have tech workers.
	Yeah, don't rely on the court Wi-Fi.
	No question.
	And if I go to Rumble and see if there's any questions in the chat.
	No, that's it.
	Okay, good.
	So that's it.
	It's done.
	Acquittal on the criminal charges.
	Not liable on the civil.
	Andy Ngo has, you know, he took a stand.
	He tried to rely on the court system.
	There was some interesting behavior going on in the court, and lo and behold, this is it.
	End of the line, unless he wants to appeal.
	All right.
	Libby, what are you doing next?
	What's next on your plate?
	I'm actually going to be in Austin on Saturday for the Let Women Speak event.
	Megan Murphy's going to be there.
	Carrie Smith.
	And, you know, a bunch of other great women.
	So I'm excited to see what they're going to be doing, talking about.
	So that's probably my next thing.
	Oh, I'm doing Alex Stein's show tomorrow night.
	So that's always a barrel full of monkeys.
	Oh my goodness.
	Okay, well, that's...
	You look like you have good judgment and you won't be duped into, you know, saying things that you would regret later on.
	Yeah, I tend not to do that.
	I'll make sure one more time there's no more questions, but where can everybody find you?
	I'm on Twitter at Libby Emmons.
	You can check out the great work that we're doing.
	Me, Katie, Andy over at thepostmillennial.com.
	We also have great work up at humanevents.com where Jack Posobiec also is doing a lot of work on both outlets as well.
	We have a great team.
	You can support us.
	Before I forget.
	Wait, wait.
	I have to do the thing.
	Thepostmillennial.com slash subscribe.
	You can come subscribe to the Postmillennial.
	We don't have a paywall, but you can get rid of our ads, which, honestly, it's worth it.
	People want to support.
	If there's the slightest justification, even if it's beyond, I want to support you, they'll find the reason to do it.
	Postmillennial.
	What is the relationship between Postmillennial and Human Events?
	Human Events.
	We're actually owned by the same owner.
	So Human Events is owned by Jeff Webb.
	And he was working with Jack Posobiec and Charlie Kirk at Human Events and he wanted to expand his media empire and acquired the Postmillennial.
	So now the Postmillennial and Human Events are part of the same media company and we work together.
	I'm actually the editor of both outlets.
	Postmillennial is primarily breaking news and culture, whereas Human Events does analysis, opinion, and some international news when it's of interest.
	And so that's pretty much the relationship.
	We have a news side and an opinion side is kind of how it goes.
	Okay, fantastic.
	At the risk of stating the obvious, you guys are awesome.
	You do amazing work.
	Post-millennial covers stuff that other outlets don't in detail that even the ones that do cover it do not.
	You, Jack Posobiec.
	Well, now I know Katie because of this trial.
	I didn't know her before.
	Amazing stuff, amazing work.
	I'm going to link all of it in the pinned comment.
	And now you all know the truth and what happened during the Andy No trial because not very many people are talking about it.
	Elon Musk was talking about it, so that's always fun.
	People are unsure whether or not Elon is good or bad, but I think he now knows.
	He's known for a long time how bad things have gotten, and I think now he's feeling a little more liberated to talk about it.
	My hope is that Elon Musk is a neutral with a free speech platform.
	That's my hope.
	My hope for humanity.
	Twitter seems to be pretty good.
	There's some things going on that could be glitches.
	I know that I was unfollowed from you despite the fact that I knew that I was following you.
	It's happened to a couple of other people.
	Some people are harder to find for no good reason.
	I don't think I'm shadow banned.
	I check that out periodically.
	I just know that I was unfollowed from you when I...
	Even during the pre-Elon Musk times, I never said on Twitter that women aren't men.
	Men aren't women?
	There's another thing.
	Some people think that they reflexively or by default say shadow banning or suppression if they think their tweets are not getting the engagement they should.
	Set all that aside.
	Twitter is better now than it was.
	And holy crap with the bombshell of today.
	We now know how bad things were.
	Right?
	Unbelievable.
	Unbelievable.
	So, for those who don't know, Jack Smith basically wanted access to Donald Trump's...
	Search warrant.
	He brought a search warrant.
	For his Twitter account.
	And then he sought and obtained a gag order from Twitter.
	It was either to not disclose it to Trump or to the public.
	I forget which.
	Maybe both.
	Well, it has to be both by extension.
	How familiar are you with what's going on there?
	A little bit.
	Just a little bit.
	I mean, I've been following Jack Smith and his ridiculous indictments.
	This man is seeking so much secrecy in pursuing these things that he must have something to hide.
	He got a gag order in the Florida Seize Documents thing right after he raided the man's house.
	And then he's got a gag order.
	He's trying to get a gag order in the...
	The conspiracy case.
	And when you look at these things, when you look at what they're actually charging him with, they're essentially charging him for having had the audacity to become president.
	That's what they hate him for, you know?
	Yeah, it's fascinating.
	I know you're not supposed to say, but look at the other guy.
	But look at the other guy.
	Oh, my goodness.
	Look at the number of classified documents that Joe Biden absconded with when he was senator and vice president, when he had absolutely no rights to abscond with, you know, anything at all, a roll of toilet paper.
	He had no rights to it.
	It's beyond words.
	I just want to bring this up.
	Like, I believe that I can judge a book by its cover when it comes to certain people.
	When you look at pictures of Jack Smith...
	Some of these pictures, he literally looks like, if I were to think dirty person, this looks like a man who is a hired goon, which I think we all know that he is, but...
	He's a hired goon.
	When I watched that judge render the sentence on...
	Yeah, I thought that was ridiculous too.
	I might be not projecting but just reading things that are not in there.
	It looks like they're protesting a little too much.
	They've got their own skeletons in the closet that might be dangling over their heads.
	But looking at Jack Smith, he's a hired goon and it's outrageous what he's doing.
	And it sounds like some judges might be getting wise to it.
	You know, impaneling a grand jury in D.C. Like Canon.
	That was Canon.
	She was like, why do you have a grand jury that's not in Florida?
	This is in Florida.
	So they can violate any judicial norm, solicitor-client privilege, First Amendment rights.
	Get your grand jury in a wildly partisan, corrupt jurisdiction, and then take your charges over to the other.
	Or if they get brought over, well, good, they get dismissed, but at least you got your headlines for a little while.
	Right.
	The other thing, too, is if you look at the—so we're expecting another indictment next week, Fulton County, Georgia.
	You know, that.
	We're looking at the electors and the alternate slate of electors in Michigan.
	They're getting charged.
	Evers, Governor Evers in Wisconsin, is trying to charge alternate electors in Wisconsin.
	They're going after the maintenance guys at Mar-a-Lago.
	You know, I'm starting to think, like, anyone who shook Donald Trump's hand— Is going to be facing an indictment pretty soon.
	Bill Barr said it.
	I mean, it's like, anyone that comes into his wake, he destroys their lives.
	I don't know if you saw that clip of Bill Barr on CNN, I think, but he's like, Donald Trump ruins everybody's life who comes into his orbit.
	What they're basically saying is, we're ruining everybody's life who comes into Donald Trump's orbit, so people don't come into his orbit.
	Don't defend him.
	Yeah.
	And when he first got elected, I remember talking to people when he first got elected because his administration was trying to staff, right?
	And they were having a lot of trouble staffing, not because people didn't want to work in the White House, not because people didn't want to work for Donald Trump, but because people feared what would happen if they took these jobs in the aftermath.
	And we saw as soon as Trump was out of office, we saw all kinds of reports about how nobody should ever hire anybody who'd ever worked in the Trump administration, right?
	That was...
	Transparent.
	They just said it out loud, right?
	And now we're hearing reports that perhaps people who had worked for Trump are going to be indicted as well on all these phony, bogus charges.
	It's absolutely...
	I mean, it's just...
	It's so impossible to me that this is happening, right?
	When you look at this, and then you look at, like, what goes on with Bolsonaro in Brazil.
	And you're like, okay, you know, maybe there's some similarities here.
	What's going on?
	You look at Navalny in Russia.
	It's like, okay, we're starting to get some sense of what goes on when you're going to cross the deep state and the Biden administration.
	And the Biden administration, of course, before they even came into office, they were...
	Infiltrating social media companies and making all of these demands.
	They pulled together 51 former intelligence agents to say, oh, this Hunter Biden laptop story, it has the hallmarks of Russian disinformation.
	They leaked that to Politico.
	Politico says it is disinformation.
	It's like the worst game of telephone that you've ever seen, you know?
	No, but it is...
	It's blackpilling to the maximum because, you know, the West and legacy media here looks at Putin and says, he just locked up a journalist for 25 years just for criticizing the regime.
	What the hell are you...
	What do you mean?
	What the hell's going on here?
	Oh, and Bill Barr, I don't know if you saw...
	Our journalists just get attacked in the street and everyone's like, oh, okay, that's fine.
	Oh, but they're not journalists, so you can attack them.
	You could just do that.
	Bill Barr, in the same soundbite, the woman asked him, what would be your advice for Trump's lawyers?
	And he literally says, well, they should get lots of insurance.
	Suggesting it's Trump going to get...
	Get lots of insurance because we're going to come after you one way or another.
	It's intimidation at every level of politics.
	It's nuts.
	Yeah, it's shocking to watch this happen in the United States of America.
	And I will say, You know, coming into this election season, I didn't like Biden.
	I never liked Biden.
	That was like a non-starter forever.
	Kamala Harris is a total joke.
	I mean, at least she's unburdened by what might have been.
	But, you know, let's move on from her.
	She's terrible.
	Every time they keep coming for Trump, I'm one of those people who's like, I'm going to vote for him if he's in prison.
	You lock him up, he gets my vote.
	You know, I'll vote for him twice.
	Like, come on.
	It's so ridiculous.
	Hold on, hold on.
	She's not going to...
	Now, it's a joke, people.
	It's a joke, people.
	Context.
	I'm not harvesting my own ballots a couple of times.
	My cat is not going to be voting.
	I don't even have a cat, so...
	It's so egregious and it's so in your face.
	I don't know if you saw the interview I did with Garrett Ziegler, Marco Polo, and incidentally...
	You know, Jack might want to interview him.
	Like, the corruption, it's not just like, oh, we have evidence of criminality and let's hold Hunter Biden's drug addiction against him.
	This is, there are foreign countries with adverse interests to the United States of America that have blackmail material on the Biden face.
	Yes!
	Period.
	And, like, funneled them millions and millions and millions and millions.
	More millions of dollars that any of us will ever even remotely glimpse in our lifetime.
	That's another thing.
	I listen to these stories like, how much money do you need in life?
	Give me 5, 10, 20 million here.
	There's so much of it that they accidentally pay the hookers through the wrong bank account.
	And then meanwhile, they come after Trump and...
	Anybody who was within his orbit, and Trump is the evil man, every time there's a story about how bad the Hunter Biden corruption, Joe Biden corruption is, there's another indictment.
	It's the next day!
	It's literally the next day.
	And did you see this thing where one of the former FBI agents who was investigating Trump on false charges of Russia collusion was just sentenced to prison for having colluded with Russia?
	I see.
	Do you remember the details about that one?
	Because I don't remember the details offhand.
	I don't remember.
	It's almost a joke, but it's not funny because you're watching it in real time.
	You have the Andy No Civil verdict comes out not liable.
	You have the George Floyd, oh, that judge, saying to Tao, after he just said, you know, if you want to say a prayer, you didn't show enough remorse.
	Right.
	What's he supposed to do?
	For holding people back?
	He didn't even, he wasn't...
	It's ridiculous!
	This judge, who's probably never seen a day of actual conflict that police officers see, admonishing this guy for not having shown enough remorse for having done virtually nothing.
	In fact, I guess it would be actually nothing because he allowed it to happen.
	He said he acted as a traffic cone.
	He said he was a traffic cone.
	And he has spent the last three years in prison reading his Bible, trying to figure out how he's going to proceed in life.
	With these charges, with being convicted, with having to go to prison more, and you have this ridiculous judge saying that he doesn't show enough remorse, why don't you show up at prison and find out how that's going for him?
	57 months and then he's got to go back to state jail for the state terms.
	And you know what happens to police officers in prison?
	So you get that.
	Then you get your Michael Sussmans acquitted in D.C. Then you get your January 6ers five years in jail for bullshit.
	Meanwhile, the Trump...
	The Trump judge in D.C. is one of the people who has sentenced Jan 6 people, defendants, to much longer time than the Department of Justice even recommended.
	And I was listening to the New York Times, because I read all the headlines, I was listening to the New York Times daily podcast, because what I really like to do is find out what the other guys think is happening.
	I think that's very important to know what the other guys think is happening.
	Because then you start to understand, like, oh, that's why they think this isn't a big deal.
	They think it's this, you know?
	They don't actually believe we landed on the moon, it turns out.
	I don't know.
	So I was listening to them, and they were saying that the prosecution in the conspiracy case against Trump is going to be able to draw on the prosecutions of Jan 6 defendants to make their case.
	And I'm thinking, oh, so prosecuting a thousand Americans?
	With plans to prosecute a thousand more was really just a warm-up for you guys to go after the former president of the United States.
	And it's so important to realize that the United States of America has absolutely never seen a president prosecuted.
	Nixon was pardoned.
	He was not prosecuted.
	People had issues with Nixon's pardoning, you know, and Ford pardoned him or whatever, but we have not seen this.
	We have not seen this.
	We didn't even, you know, like we didn't even hang Jefferson Davies.
	Do you know what I mean?
	Like we just put him in jail.
	He was the president of the Confederacy, right?
	So we've never seen this.
	There's absolutely no playbook for this.
	So when you see the New York Times and you see the Washington Post and MSNBC and CNN all acting like this is normal.
	All acting like this is just due process.
	This is just part of law.
	This is just casual how it goes.
	It is not.
	It is brand new madness that is being unleashed on this country that we have absolutely never seen before.
	So when you see Trump going after Biden, normally we don't see prior presidents coming out and attacking current presidents.
	George Bush didn't do it with Obama.
	We don't tend to see it.
	Obama didn't even really do it with Trump.
	I mean, think of the restraint.
	But Obama didn't really do it with Trump because he had fabricated the whole Russiagate hoax.
	The Steele dossier.
	The same institutions that are now persecuting Trump were the ones falsifying evidence seven years ago.
	People don't remember this.
	They don't even remember it.
	And you have to look at the Steele dossier thing.
	You have to look at that.
	So Trump is up on charges with the illustrious Alan Bragg in New York City, my personal hometown, where I don't live anymore.
	I'm in exile.
	I'm sorry.
	But anyways, much like you, right?
	Aren't you in exile from Canada?
	I'm temporary.
	We'll see if it becomes permanent.
	I think at some point they're not going to let me back in.
	Like, that guy.
	You said stuff.
	Totally not okay.
	Not that I would...
	Some of these tweets...
	But when you look at...
	I just want to say, Alvin Bragg is charging Trump with falsification of business documents for having recorded payments made to his lawyers as legal fees because he claims that those payments were then, that money was then used to pay off a woman with whom Trump allegedly had a dalliance.
	Okay?
	37, I think it's 37 counts.
	I get confused with the documents.
	It's the same charge.
	It's the same charge month over month.
	Oh, you answered it?
	Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton.
	She was brought up on charges of falsification of business documents.
	She recorded legal fees, as legal fees, money that she paid to her attorney, money that was then used to pay an opposition research firm to concoct the Steele dossier, which was then used in an attempt to discredit Trump.
	She fabricated evidence against her political opponent.
	She was brought up on falsification of business documents charges.
	She was fined $8,000.
	The DNC paid $113,000.
	That's it.
	She tried to destroy hard drives with a hammer, right?
	She was, again, Secretary of State.
	She had no claim to any kind of classified documents.
	Donald Trump, whether he did the thing or not, you know, he had power to declassify things because he was...
	The President of the United States, and he also has this Presidential Records Act, which I read, and yes, it's a little confusing and unwieldy, but it basically says that the President can decide what constitutes personal records and what constitutes presidential records that should go over to the library.
	And they're mad at him because he didn't turn his documents over to the National Archives, which is just this like...
	You know, it's this sort of normal thing to do or not do, and every president gets to decide what they take with them.
	People have forgotten what Chuck Schumer said, that if you fight with the FBI, they have six ways from...
	I forget exactly what he said.
	Seven ways from Sunday to get back at you.
	People are just not thinking this is the same regime, the same institution, that falsified evidence to try to get him...
	Discredited as president for the Russia hoax.
	Now they're coming back.
	They were never dealing with him in good faith over these presidential records.
	It was always an attempt to find another way to get back at him, to discredit him, to jail him, to prevent him from becoming president.
	It's the same...
	And look at the impeachment charge.
	Look at that first impeachment charge, right?
	It was over the...
	So Trump in...
	What was it?
	August...
	Something.
	2018?
	Was it 2018?
	I forget the exact date, but...
	It was either 2018 or 2019, which is when I met Andy.
	But it was around there.
	It was in August.
	He calls Zelensky.
	He says, listen, we have some funding.
	We're going to send it over to you.
	But I also would like to know, why did you fire this?
	Why did this guy get fired?
	Can you check that out?
	Right?
	Can you check that out?
	Can you check it out?
	This was a problem saying, hey, can you check that out?
	The problem was that he, okay, so then Congress says, oh, you're withholding money from beloved Ukraine.
	You can't withhold money.
	And then ask them why they fired a prosecutor that's totally illegitimate.
	You should be not the president because of that.
	Then you flashback, Biden gets on TV.
	He brags about having withheld a billion dollars from Ukraine until they fired the prosecutor.
	The prosecutor, but Trump is asking, "Yo, what's up?
	Why'd you fire this prosecutor?" The prosecutor who was investigating the known corrupt entity, Burisma, on which...
	Yes.
	It is mark-boggling!
	And now you have the FBI documents that show that the CEO of Burisma said, "Oh, it's going to take them 10 years before they figure this out." Well, bitch, we're fucking here now.
	We're figuring it out.
	And they're like...
	It's not even legitimate.
	It doesn't even matter.
	Hunter Biden is clearly qualified to earn $83,000 a month to sit on the board of an energy company when all he does is take calls on speakerphone from his dad in the middle of meetings.
	And then not to pay the taxes and to blow literally a million bucks on hookers and blow.
	Literally make payments to prostitutes or pimps from his dad's bank account through his dad's law firm.
	I've said it before and people don't really...
	Amazing.
	Everything that they're accusing Trump of is true of Joe Biden.
	Every single detail.
	Right down to the hookers.
	Oh, right down to the sun on Coke.
	Remember, Eric Trump does cocaine.
	They always show these pictures.
	Oh, okay.
	Sorry.
	Biden's kid, crack cocaine.
	What was he like?
	He was hanging out in a really fancy hotel in Los Angeles, watching YouTube videos on how to cook crack, right?
	Wasn't that what's going on?
	That I'm not familiar with, but the rest of it is even worse.
	He was at the chalet.
	This was, I think, in his book.
	He was learning how to smoke crack at one of the nicest hotels in Los Angeles.
	But it's so wild, it's just not funny anymore.
	And it's beyond dangerous.
	I keep saying, like, every act seems to be like an act of overt provocation so they can then, you know, try to provoke another January 6th, even if they have to set it up as another false flag, because I genuinely believe it was my 2022 prediction, it would be revealed that January 6th was an absolute setup one way or the other, either an outright...
	Well, you saw the interview that Rahim Kassam over at the National Post released, right?
	Oh, no, which one?
	So Raheem got the interview that Tucker Carlson had done with Stephen Sund that Fox hadn't released, and released it, and Sund was saying that he thought there were agents, that there were definitely agents out in the crowd, and that he was annoyed that nobody had told him about it.
	You all had FBI agents who were investigating the Russia collusion thing, and their bosses knew that it was fake, and they didn't even tell the agents that it was fake.
	They just...
	And on top of everything else, on top of everything else, what a goddamn waste of money this all is, right?
	Like, I don't know about you.
	My taxes are going up.
	Everything's more expensive at the grocery store.
	All of this stuff.
	And they're spending money willy-nilly on total trash.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, they're spending money on employing FBI agents to set up a bunch of people to pretend they're going to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer.
	I mean, you remember this situation?
	Nobody was going to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer until the FBI showed up and was like, hey, you loser guy over here, there's a hot chick who wants you to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer and maybe she'll get with you if you go along with it.
	And the guy's like, well, I live in my parents' basement.
	Okay.
	He was in the basement of a vacuum shop who brushes teeth at a restaurant next door.
	Even his parents' basement.
	No, but it's...
	I'm trying to find the article about the amount of, you know, they don't know how many agents or informants were in the crowd, but, like, when you have agents and informants infiltrating the Oath Keepers and the Proud Boys well in advance, so much so they get convictions on the seditious conspiracy, and then the intelligence says, we didn't know what was going to happen January 6th, we were caught off guard.
	Billy Kelly revealed all of this.
	Yep.
	It's outrageous.
	And Ray Epps, who...
	Said he's going to get charged.
	Still doesn't seem to have gotten charged.
	And the real perplexity there is, of all the people who were brought up on charges for January 6th or accused of something, why is the New York Times and the Washington Post and everybody else, CNN, lining up to defend Ray Epps, even though he's on video going, hey, let's go into the Capitol.
	Let's do that.
	Let's go into the Capitol.
	That's not incitement?
	Like, of all the...
	It makes sense because there is no other explanation.
	And then you have Adam Kinzinger calling him a hero, Raskin, some poor schmuck, his life is ruined.
	People went to jail for five years.
	His son killed himself.
	I mean, it's just unbearable.
	No, I kind of give Raskin a little bit of grace.
	Because I think he has cancer.
	How does he even wake up in the morning?
	I don't know.
	He has cancer.
	He's certainly making sure everybody knows it.
	Right, with the various different scarves.
	He's got more scarves than Ayanna Pressley.
	He comes out and says that Ray Epps is just some poor schmuck.
	I'm sorry, I was going to swear like a bad boy.
	People went to jail for years for less than what Ray Epps is on camera having said and done.
	It's not just that he was saying that video where they said F.U. Boomer, like when they're chanting Fed the night before, someone paid a super chat to say F.U. Boomer.
	The day of, he's there.
	You know, with the crowd pushing back the gates and pushing back the cops.
	People went to jail for less than what Ray Epps is on camera for having done.
	Don't tell me that there's nothing going on here that you get Adam Kinzinger.
	People went to jail for peeking in the windows, for goodness sakes.
	I interviewed Adam Johnson.
	He was in jail for 70-some-odd days.
	What did he do?
	The lectern guy.
	He moved the lectern 20 meters in the building.
	You're not allowed to touch things.
	Not allowed to touch things in the people's house.
	But it's a level of corruption.
	It's beyond Russian, like Stasism or whatever you want to call it.
	It's beyond what even we accept as being true of Putin.
	And there's still a bunch of people out there brothing at the mouth, mentally unhinged.
	I don't know if you know Mark Grobert.
	America's Untold Story.
	He comes on all the time.
	We're friends.
	He said, I'm convinced that there's some NK Ultra stuff going on that started or that's been implemented as of the Trump derangement syndrome because the aggregate madness, other than being mass formation psychosis, call it whatever you want, it's not normal that there are so many smart, otherwise educated people who are so wildly unhinged, and I know them personally, so wildly unhinged that they think they're right.
	And I don't know how you wake these zombies up from the...
	Well, I don't know if you can.
	I don't know if you can.
	Like, you know, most of the people that I, like so many of my family are lefties and liberals.
	And I say stuff and they just kind of like, hmm, and they just move on.
	They just change the subject.
	I was recently having dinner with some of my family.
	And what was it that came up?
	Oh, my goodness.
	I wish I could remember what it was.
	Oh, it was the Hunter Biden stuff.
	It was the Hunter Biden.
	It was the prosecutor.
	It was the whole thing.
	And I explained.
	And then my mom goes, well, you know, I wonder if the dog is needing a walk.
	That was it.
	She had asked me a question about it.
	I went on.
	And I love my mom.
	You know, it's my mother.
	I went on and explained, well, honey, you know, I think the dog might need a walk.
	It's so cute.
	But my grandmother, it became a joke in the family where it was like, literally, look at the birdie.
	Because whenever we have, like, my grandmother never discussed politics.
	But whenever there was a fight, it's like, oh, look at the birdie.
	And it became like this old, you know, Friday night dinner joke.
	Like, look at the birdie.
	Look at the, look at the...
	It's what they will tolerate by way of corruption if it's on their side.
	And I'm convinced, like, you're right, they can't even be woken up.
	They could literally be held off.
	When she's like, you know, you don't get to, you know, no talking politics at the party.
	Everyone's like sneaking off.
	No, but I'm convinced that some of these people could even be locked up by the same corruption and they'd say, well, I guess I got to go to jail.
	It's for the greater good.
	I must have done something wrong.
	It's preposterous.
	It's preposterous.
	Libby, you stayed longer than...
	I did.
	I should probably go.
	No, I love it.
	It's the ultimate flattery when I can dupe people into staying longer than...
	unless you're late for something.
	But thank you.
	No, we're going to end it also because we'll say our proper goodbyes afterwards.
	And locals, I won't be able to do an exclusive afterwards.
	I'll have to figure this out.
	But Libby, thank you infinitely for what you're doing, for coming on, for letting everybody know what happened with Andy Ngo.
	The madness, it's not...
	I don't know.
	I keep hearing it's darkest before the...
	Whatever, darkest before the dawn.
	How flipping dark is it going to get?
	You get too dark, you're past the event horizon of a black hole.
	There's no coming back.
	Hopefully we're not there.
	All right.
	Well, thanks so much, Dave.
	I appreciate it.
	Stick around.
	We'll say our perfect advice.
	Everyone out there, thank you very much.
	Enjoy the night.
	And I'm going to be on live with Elijah Schaefer at 10 o 'clock tonight.
	I don't know why I agreed to a 10 o 'clock live stream.
	He's in Australia now, right?
	That might explain why.
	That might explain the time to me.
	10 o 'clock, the kids have to be in bed.
	I hear someone screaming their head off in the other room.
	So 10 o 'clock tonight, I'm going to go eat dinner.
	I've already exercised, so at least I got that.
	You're going to have to take a nap.
	Maybe we'll see.
	Libby, stick around.
	We're going to say our proper goodbyes.
	Everyone out there, thank you.
	See you at 1 o 'clock tomorrow.
	So good stuff coming.
	Libby, we'll say goodbye.
	Thank you very much.

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