CBC, for those of you who don't know, is the Canada Broadcasting Corporation, the Crown Corporation.
By the way, YouTube can't possibly have a problem with that because it's got cute kid music in behind it.
It's produced by the CBC, so how can YouTube possibly have a problem with that?
There's an amazing thing.
When kids feel uncomfortable, oftentimes there's a damn good reason for it.
And grown adults, I don't care if they're drag queens.
I don't care if they're just performers who want to talk about their job.
Performers, adult performers.
Generally, kids know when something is inappropriate.
They know when something is pushing the boundaries of what, I don't want to say safe space because that has a different, not so good connotation anymore.
They know when something is not appropriate.
Even for themselves.
And for those of you out there, oh, if the kid doesn't want to go on a roller coaster and they feel scared, you're not going to ask them to push it up.
This is a little bit different in that it's fundamentally different.
When an adult, and I don't care if they're drag queens or heterosexual adults, get a kid in a position where the kid feels uncomfortable and then they say, you'll get over it.
There's a word for that.
What we just witnessed, the CBC state-funded, taxpayer-funded government media, what we just saw the CBC promoting in any other decade would have been very close to something that would be borderline criminal.
Let's get a bunch of kids, have them sit down with adult workers, because I don't care if you have a problem with drag queens or not.
It is adult entertainment.
It is fundamentally sexual.
In that if the issue were just to introduce people to people, the fact that the man is dressing up as a woman would not be relevant to them meeting.
The kid meets someone who looks like that.
The natural course of conversation between an adult who likes to dress up as a different sex and a kid is not why the adult likes to dress up as a different sex, especially when it's not your kid.
I mean, it's 1984.
It's like I'm having trouble actually...
Maintaining my own sense of levity and humor this morning and yesterday and this week, it's sickness.
It's state-funded, taxpayer-funded sickness.
And it is conditioning children to get over feeling uncomfortable when stranger adults put them in situations that they know are inappropriate.
It is what it is.
There's no other way about it.
And you're not a bigot.
You're not a drag queen phobe.
That could be...
A heterosexual stripper.
That could be a heterosexual adult.
That could be an attractive woman, a chiseled male.
That could be anybody.
Adults having these types of conversations with children are inappropriate and the kids know it.
The adults even know it.
There was one point in that interview where the male drag queen...
Asks the little girl if she likes jewelry.
And then he says to the little girl, you're too young for jewelry.
Because they know that kids are too young for certain things.
This is one of them.
If it weren't one of them, they wouldn't be jamming it down your face day in and day out trying to normalize it.
Oh boy, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm screaming.
So it's funny because that actually, that video, Libs of TikTok posted this morning.
Now, I met Libs of TikTok at a PragerU event.
To say that you would be surprised by the person, the fact that she's a woman is not the relevant factor here.
The person behind the persona.
Once upon a time, by the way, I've known of libs of TikTok for a while.
Maybe it's because of some internal prejudice or prejudgments.
I thought it would be a man.
I thought it was a man behind the account.
I don't know why, but it would not be...
Reflexive for me to think that the person behind the Libs of TikTok account would be a religious Jewish woman.
It wouldn't occur to me, but maybe that's just because on my end of the internet, it's a lot of boys, men.
And maybe also, I brought up with the idea that that type of in-your-face, rubbing your face in the mirror of humanity, I don't know that some people look for fights and others don't.
I'm not sure that Libs of TikTok...
Chaya looked for the fight, but the fight came to her, and we're gonna get into it.
Now, what I'm gonna do is just the brief intro with Chaya on YouTube, then we're gonna shut it down on YouTube, and we're gonna carry on on Rumble and Locals, and I should have actually just double-checked that we are currently, in fact, streaming on Rumble, which we are.
Good.
And locals seems to be good.
We're good.
All right, there are women on the internet.
There are women who are the most unlikely, I don't want to say heroes of the time because that's a little lofty, but they're the most unlikely hero of the era.
We're going to talk to one of them right now.
Chaya, I'm bringing you on in three, two, one.
Ma 'am, how goes the battle?
Hello, how are you?
Well, I'm good, how are you?
But my goodness.
Okay, look, before we get into the madness of the world that you have been documenting in real time, and the beauty and the horror, and I'm putting horror in quotes, behind what is the libs of TikTok.
In as much as, you know, you've been doxxed and we're going to get into that, you've been outed.
But if you don't mind, give people just an overview of who you are as a human.
As an upbringing and how you got to be where you are right now in this crazy world.
So I am...
I grew up in LA.
I'm a religious Jew and...
I actually never went to public school.
I went to private school.
So I'm very thankful to my parents for that.
And then, you know, after I finished my studies, I was living in New York.
I was a real estate agent.
And then suddenly COVID happened.
And that's when I found myself unable to do my job.
So I was sort of, you know, at home, bored, just like...
Most other people probably watching this and looking for new stuff to do.
And then that's when I stumbled on TikTok.
And I think that's when TikTok started becoming really big in America because everyone was in the same boat, right?
Like we weren't allowed to go to work.
We weren't allowed to leave our house.
I was in LA at the time, actually, and it was really bad in California.
I mean, you were literally not allowed to go out of your house.
Everything was closed besides a couple stores for food, and they forced you to wear masks.
People were screaming at you to put on masks.
It was really bad.
I didn't leave my home for three, four months.
TikTok is getting really big.
I'm seeing that on Twitter...
All of this, these TikToks are going viral on Twitter.
So I went on TikTok and I found, you know, I just kept finding all these really funny videos.
And at first it was more just COVID stuff.
So it was like people thinking about getting vaccinated and how excited they were.
And, you know, all the fear mongering, like, you know, people getting kicked off of planes for not wearing masks, for like two year olds not wearing masks.
There was a lot of...
Videos of people like idolizing Fauci, you know, having Fauci statues and Fauci candles and Fauci stuff, Fauci's face all over their home.
So that kind of stuff was really funny.
And, you know, also I knew that it was a little bit like hypocritical because people are losing their jobs for not wanting the vaccine.
And then you have these people like singing about how excited they are.
And then, you know, it was Fauci's lies were starting to be uncovered.
It just was, you know, it was, it was started, COVID started to feel, you know, more like a style.
And so I'm sharing these videos and people love them.
They start going viral.
I start getting tons of followers.
So I'm going to TikTok for more videos, right?
Because this is really fun.
And then I came across all those other type of videos, which is, you know, the teachers, the activists.
But before we get there, even, if I may just go back, I don't need to know where, what, private school, do you mean like private religious school?
Yeah.
And, okay, just because it's going to contextualize, well, I got another question, which you may or may not, well, I'll get to, to contextualize.
Do you call it ultra-Orthodox or Lubavitcher?
Just for Orthodox, yeah.
Hasidic, so growing up, and if I may ask, what age bracket are you?
And you're a young woman.
I'm 28. Okay.
Growing up in a Hasidic religious household, are you exposed to the internet?
Did your parents not give you a computer, cell phone, things like that?
No, we had internet.
No, we definitely had internet.
Also, I'm not old, but I'm not that young.
I remember not having good internet, and I remember when the internet was starting to become more mainstream.
I remember my parents having flip phones before there were smartphones, and then they had the Blackberries.
No, but I got my first smartphone when I was...
13 or 14?
14. It's not like I say sheltered.
I didn't mean to say, did you have internet?
Were you exposed to this?
You were not sheltered from it.
Your parents didn't say, absolutely not.
I don't want you to see the rest of that sinful world.
I say this without judgment because I know people who are not religious that have a similar practice.
You see this stuff growing up.
You're not unfamiliar with the internet.
No.
Go and study real estate and you become a real estate broker.
Yeah.
Okay, and then you're living in L.A. And you're in L.A. When did the handle Libs of TikTok start?
It started...
It actually started a little bit after COVID.
So COVID started in March, right?
And then I went home for a couple months.
I just moved in with my parents.
With a couple of my siblings just to like wait it out.
And then in the summer, in the beginning of the summer, I went back to New York to continue doing my job.
And it started.
So the handle was created in November of 2020.
So it started really like after the.
Like, really in the middle of COVID, like, after the real madness.
But COVID is what got me started into, like, following all this stuff.
Because that's when I started, like, seeing all this content and really, like, being interested in the government.
And it's like, you know, you're stuck at home and there's people telling you, like, you're not going to leave your house.
And I'm like, well...
You know, who are these people that are able to tell us what we're allowed to do and not?
Like, I'm used to living in America in a free country.
I've never been told that I can't go to work.
I can't do my job.
I can't leave my house.
I have to wear a mask.
So that's when, and I think it's not just me.
It's probably a lot of Americans.
It was like a wake-up call of COVID.
It was like, are you going to pay attention and, like, get involved?
Or you can just, you know, let people tell you what to do?
Let people control you.
And that's really when I started getting into politics and really being interested in it.
And then I created the handle.
It's amazing.
You're sort of like the more polite version of Gerald Salente, who I had on a week and a half ago where he just did a stream where he says, talking to the government, who the F are you to tell me what to do?
Take the jab, shove it up your butt.
It's just a more eloquent, polite way of doing it.
Okay, so you were practicing real estate in New York pre-COVID.
Yeah.
And then COVID hits, everything's shut down.
I mean, you went from, I don't know which one's the pot and which one's the frying pan, but you went from New York, which was pretty much as strict as it got in the States, to California, which was pretty much as strict as it got in the States.
Still a little less strict than up in Quebec, where we were under curfew for five and a half months in 2001.
Everything's shut down, so you go home to California to stay with your family.
And then, had you heard of TikTok before COVID?
No, never.
So you stuck it home and you fall into the doom scrolling of the interwebs and stumble upon TikTok.
Don't worry about it.
Who's calling?
I'm joking.
So you do scroll and you discover TikTok and you're like, I mean, is your initial reaction, what the hell is this?
So yes, because putting aside like the actual content in the videos, as a person, like I've always been super private.
I've always been like...
I mean, the proof is that when they doxed me, they weren't even able to find any pictures of me because I never had a public Facebook account.
I never had a public Instagram.
I never put myself out there.
And just the thought of someone, the thought of someone like videoing themselves and like putting it out on TikTok where potentially...
Hundreds of millions of people could see it and they have no idea who you are.
You don't know who they are.
And you're putting out content just talking about yourself.
Like that thought to me is completely mortifying.
So putting aside like that the actual content is very cringe and in some cases really dangerous.
So like putting that aside, just that idea is just not my style at all.
It's not something I ever connected with.
And so that in itself, I was like, this is like so cringy and like so weird.
And so that really was like, okay, let me see what this is about when I saw that.
It's basically a platform for narcissists, I think.
And that's why it attracts liberals, right?
It's mainly liberals on TikTok because...
Because they're narcissists.
They just want to sit and talk about their gender and, you know, this is how you should refer to me or, like, I'm white and this is why I am a bad person because I'm white or it's all about me, me, me.
These are my pronouns.
You have to refer to me as this.
It's a very narcissistic worldview and I think that attracts liberals and TikTok is made for that.
So it's just, like, it all works together so well.
Okay, so you discover this.
It's interesting.
You see, your personal Twitter handle is even newer.
It's like 2022.
You had no social media presence before Libs of TikTok, to speak of.
Maybe Facebook?
I don't really know.
No, I never had Facebook.
So I had an Instagram account.
Like years ago that I actually deleted a few years ago.
I was never really into it.
I was never really into social media.
I have my friends.
I have my family.
I use my phone.
I talk to them on the phone.
I could send them pictures through text message or WhatsApp.
And I never really felt the need to have a social media account.
Okay.
I mean, it's fascinating.
So you discover TikTok.
You're like, what the hell is this?
And you're like the rest of us.
I don't remember when I discovered TikTok.
I've known of it for a while, but I never found anything alluring about it.
And even the rubbernecking at the car accidents type thing was not something I was interested in scrolling through TikTok for.
And I don't remember when I discovered libs of TikTok for the first time, but I remember it on Twitter.
When do you get the idea to say, holy crap, this might be interesting to other people.
I'm going to screen grab this or whatever.
Screenshot it or record it, is the proper term, and post it to Twitter.
When did you get that idea?
And what was the growth curve?
Because people are doing it now, but I think you were the first, if not closely first.
So it was April of 2021 when Lives of TikTok was created.
And it started because, like I said, I kept seeing these videos going viral on Twitter, and they were all COVID-related videos.
And I was like, you know, what is this TikTok thing?
These videos keep going viral.
And I was like, what if I find more of these videos?
Maybe there's more from where this came from.
And so that's when I started just researching TikTok, spending a lot of time on it.
And then in April, I actually made the handle lives of TikTok.
So it's coming up about on two years.
Amazing.
Anonymous, you're posting this stuff.
When does it start really gaining traction and really becoming not a pillar, but rather something emblematic of the times?
When does it explode?
I would say almost immediately.
Joe Rogan gave me a shout-out.
I'll never forget where I was sitting.
I had, at that time, I think 30,000 followers.
This is probably two, three months in.
And Joe Rogan gives me a shout-out, and I get about, like, 25,000, 30,000 followers within, like, two days.
And then I hit, and then, so it was, like, steadily growing.
And then, like, a month, like, a few weeks later, I probably had, I probably had, like, 60,000 followers or 75,000 followers, and Joe Rogan gave me a second shout-out.
And he put me over the 100,000 mark.
I got, like, 40,000 followers within two days.
Okay.
So, yeah, it was really, like, I'm very thankful to Joe Rogan because he was the first big, really big, notable person to, like, openly talk about and support Liz and TikTok.
I'm going to ask this question here, then we're going to end it, and you'll answer it on Rumble when I shut the YouTube side down.
Not because of the answer.
It's provocative or anything.
When Rogan shouts you out, like, in retrospect, or, I mean, at the time when you thought you were anonymous, you might have, like, this is the coolest thing ever, but was there any part of you that said, holy shit, like, now the forest fire just got out of hand?
Like, you're a bunch of kids playing around, you have a fire, and one kid's like, hey, let's dump some gas on it, and then you realize, this is out of control, and I have no way of putting this fire out, type thing.
But before you answer, everyone, head over to Rumble, because we're going to end this on YouTube.
And doing it in 3, 2, 1. Change is nothing from our end, Chaya.
So yeah, did you immediately panic?
Like, holy cows, this just got out of hand, maybe?
They are going to come find out who I am.
I'm no longer going to be anonymous.
I'm going to be public enemy number one.
Because everybody, I presume at that point in time, either loved or hated libs of TikTok?
Actually, no.
Because I didn't have as much haters then.
because we weren't really doing like real like research stories then.
We weren't, I wasn't, I don't think I had, I don't think a single teacher, like, could have gotten fired yet as a result of lives of TikTok's work.
We weren't, like, calling on schools to, like, remove porn, and we weren't really making, like, a wave.
Where it actually mattered, like, in legislation and in changing school policies.
At that point, it was just, like, funny viral videos.
And I have no background in media or in politics or in journalism or in social media and anything.
So I had no idea where this was going to go.
Like, every time I went up...
Like 1,000 followers went to the next level.
Like when I went from having just a few thousand, a few hundred, a few thousand, then when I hit 10, I was like, whoa, like maybe I'll hit like 20. And then when I hit 20, I was like, whoa, and then maybe I'll hit 50. And then I was like, no, when I hit 100, I was like, wow.
I was like, okay, but like, you know, I'm never going to reach 200, 200,000.
And I'm just like, but it's fun.
So I was just continuing to do what I was doing.
And then, you know, I...
It did take quite some time, I would say probably about eight months, until I was like, wow, this might be something really big.
And then I was like, they're going to try to come after me.
I think that took maybe even longer, maybe even 10 months, because I was still...
You know, I was still just, like, posting videos and, you know, sort of starting to post a lot of school content and stuff about hospitals and stuff like that, you know, making more of an impact and more of a wave.
And that's when, like, the haters started really coming in full force.
And then at that point also, there was, I mean, there was...
All the news sites were talking about it, like Fox News and Daily Wire and The Blaze and Breitbart, Daily Caller.
They're all picking up content from lives with TikTok and following it for leads.
And I'm getting mentioned in articles.
So at that point, I was like, this might be something big.
And I had probably about, I think I had like 400,000 followers then.
And I was like, I think it's...
It's possible this could hit a million in a few months.
And that's really when I was like, this could be big.
And then three months later is when I was doxxed.
All right.
So now let's get into that a little bit.
I can imagine for someone who's not familiar with the internet, the idea that this just got super huge.
They're going to try to find out who I am.
But you're one of the fortunate ones in that you don't have hypocritical compromising stuff on the internet that they're going to really come and blackmail you or whatever or destroy your reputation.
In your case, it's just a matter of letting people know who you are so they can know who to harass and whatever.
So when I created the handle, I made it in my name.
And then when I decided to do lives with TikTok, I switched the handle.
And I believe she got that information from Twitter, Twitter themselves.
So she got the information from this Antifa guy who's funded by the German government, actually, too.
His name is Travis Brown.
And he basically...
He basically creates archives and, like, databases on, like, hate, what they call hate.
And if you go back to my first Tucker interview, we actually go into that.
But she got the information from him, and he is actually a former Twitter engineer.
So how he got my information, we believe Twitter may have helped them.
I don't have a way to prove it, but one day maybe the truth will come out.
But that's basically how she found it.
And then she was searching up my name, and there's nothing really available about me online at that time because I never had a public profile or anything.
So she just goes to LA and shows up to everyone's home who has my last name.
And there's not that many with that spelling.
It's pronounced Raychik or Raycic?
Raychik.
Raychik.
I think I knew of an iteration of that which was pronounced slightly differently, but I presume there's not that many of your last names around?
No, there's a few.
Yeah, there's not that many.
First of all, how do you show up at someone's front doorstep and ask if they're the owners of the libs of TikTok handle?
Does she go one to the other until she finally stumbles across you?
Well, I was actually not in California at that time.
I was supposed to be, and I wasn't.
I was supposed to go back the next day.
And then when that happened, I obviously didn't go back, and I sort of went into hiding.
I'll just note, it was also right in the middle of a Jewish holiday of Passover.
So we're, like, celebrating the holiday with our family, and then this crazy lady shows up to all of our relatives' doors.
No one ever really talked about this, and I never did either, but I think it was very insensitive on the part of Washington Post to do that in the middle of a Jewish holiday.
So that's actually the timing that happened.
So I was away with family when she actually came to...
When she came to my relatives' homes.
In a way, you know, the high holidays or the Jewish holidays, it's a good time to know that you will be home because you won't be at work or people won't be at school.
Kind of cheap and maybe deliberate.
I think it was very rude.
I mean, like, to specifically...
Target an Orthodox Jewish woman in the middle of celebrating a Jewish holiday is just really nasty.
But I'm not surprised.
I wouldn't put anything past Taylor Lorenz.
So she goes to several family member houses.
And then what?
When does she...
Actually, first question first.
The German guy.
The defense to Taylor Lorenz had always been that I just republished what someone else had already published somewhere on Twitter.
Had the German guy already...
So he had published my handle, but he doesn't have a lot of followers.
It didn't really get a lot of traction.
But I remember opening my phone after the holiday and someone had sent me the tweet and I opened the tweet and I see my name there on this guy's Twitter.
And my heart literally, like, it stopped.
I mean, like, I still remember exactly where I was standing.
And I was like, oh my god, this is happening.
And I had known for about, like I said earlier, I had known for, like, probably, like, two, three months that it was inevitable.
But, like, it was so unexpected of when it happened.
And I was like...
I still didn't know that it would come through Taylor LeRange or it would come through Washington Post.
Like, I didn't know how it would happen.
But I was like, I was shaking.
And I was like, this is happening.
And it ended up happening about three days later.
So I did have a little bit of time to, like, prepare and recover and whatever.
But that initial shock of seeing my need, because I had gone to great lengths to protect it.
Like, I was...
I mean, like I was getting invited to a lot of events and interviews and I declined everything because I was like, I don't want to be, I want to be anonymous.
And there was one time actually where I had sent an email from the, our lives of TikTok email.
And by mistake, because of the software we were using, my name was written on the bottom of the email.
That had happened.
Like three weeks earlier.
And I had sent this, I had responded to someone in the email and it was just like an automatic feature that my name is on the bottom, like as a signature.
And I literally almost had a heart attack.
I was like, oh my God, like I'm screwed.
And I was, like, petrified.
And then, I mean, it was fine because it was someone friendly.
I don't even think they noticed.
They might not even have known that I was, like, trying to be anonymous.
And it was also someone who was, like, sending me whistleblower documents.
So I didn't think that they would go out and share that with anyone.
But, like, that was, like, traumatic for me.
And then, you know, three weeks later, I see my name on Twitter.
And I was, like, oh, my God.
Like, it was very, very.
Emotional.
And then, you know, then I'm going through my phone again and I have a ton of messages from Taylor Lorenz.
And I was, like, putting all the pieces together.
And then I have a relative who has the same name as me who actually...
Doesn't want to be anonymous.
And she has an Instagram account where she's like an Instagram influencer.
So Taylor was harassing her as well.
And when the story eventually dropped, a lot of people started harassing her.
So I obviously felt really bad about that.
But Taylor should have also clarified that that's not the same one.
So she was messaging me.
She's like, this lady, Taylor Lorenz, reached out to me.
And then I had like a bunch of emails and missed calls and texts and voicemails from Taylor.
And I was just like, the whole weight of everything like sort of like came on to me and I was like, oh my God, this is going to be a really insane week.
And then, you know, the rest is history.
Did she ever meet?
Did you ever meet her face to face?
No.
And did she ever get any answers from you?
Of the questions she asked, or she published before having gotten a reply?
No, I never responded to her.
So that was a night when all this happened, when I saw all the Taylor Loren stuff and this Travis Brown stuff.
And then the next day, she showed up at all my relatives' homes.
I was still not sure how this was going to play out.
I was like...
You know, I didn't know.
And then when she showed up, I was like, you know, what am I supposed to do?
There was nothing I could do.
I just, like, sit and hold my phone and wait, and I don't know.
And then the next day, like, my relatives start calling me, and they're like, this lady named Taylor just showed up to my house.
And you had no idea who Taylor Lorenzo was before this?
No.
I didn't know.
I had no idea who she was.
Okay, so she meets with her family.
If there's any interesting details, let me know.
But ultimately, she publishes the story, and in as much as your heart skipped a beat when you saw your name with the German guy on his Twitter handle, when this article drops, it's not that it's that...
There's nothing devastating in it, in terms of like, you know, they're not revealing the bad things that you've never done because you've never done the bad things, but they're identifying you now.
Well, that's the thing.
I couldn't have known that.
I had no idea.
For three days I'm sitting there, like, what is this article going to say?
Do they have, like, were they, like, do they have photos of me?
If yes, which ones?
Do they have videos of me as a kid, like, acting weird?
Like, do they have, were they able to, do they hack my, I don't know, do they find out where I went to school and, like, contact my teachers to, like, say bad things?
Like, I have no idea.
I have no idea.
Like, the sky's the limit.
I had no idea what was going to be in it.
And then, you know.
When the article actually dropped, there was nothing in it.
First of all, there is nothing on me.
I'm a little bit too young to have a very checkered history.
No, you're not.
You've lived a moral...
I say this.
I don't want to tempt anybody.
As a 13-year-old troublemaker, people could find fun stories if I haven't already shared them.
You've led a moral life and you seem to have been a well-behaved teenager from what it seems.
Maybe I'm wrong.
So the article drops and you're reading it.
And what's the sensation when you're reading about yourself in the Washington Post?
Yeah, so the most devastating thing in there was really just my name and then posting the addresses.
And, you know, I was...
It was...
I had three days to prepare, so when it actually dropped, it wasn't as dramatic as I thought it would be because I had known for a few days that this was going to be happening, but it was more just the suspense of what else do they have or what have they found.
And so, you know, I was relieved that there was nothing else.
You know, I was like, maybe they found, like, an old friend who, like, has a vendetta against me.
Like, I had no idea.
So that was very, that was relieving.
It was just like, I mean, it's just my name.
Yeah, well, and where you worked.
I think that the risk when dealing with unscrupulous journalists is, you know, if they can't find any dirt, yeah, where's the easiest dirt to try to make something up?
Allegations related to your practice as an agent, maybe a rival who's going to say she lied, you know, whatever.
But when it drops, and it identifies you, and you had been public enemy number one.
From the very same people who were posting these videos that you were just amplifying.
They post the videos because they want the world to see them.
And then you amplify them.
And then they get mad at you and you become public enemy number one for doing more efficiently what they were trying to do in the first place.
What's the response from the general public?
How bad did the online harassment get?
And what was that like?
Well, right.
So...
It was obviously, you know, it was obviously trending news for like two days.
It was front page news.
And from the right, it was incredible.
I mean, I've only been in this space for short, but I've heard from people who were in this space for much longer than me that the response from the right was like unlike anything they've ever seen before.
I mean, the way that every single person just came and supported me and rallied around me.
I got...
Flooded with messages, calls from prominent people, from so many people.
But, I mean, like, DeSantis offered me to come stay at his house if I didn't feel safe.
And then I had Marjorie Taylor Greene call me.
I remember Madison Cawthorn texting me.
There were...
Who else was there?
There were so many people, like, even just Ben Shapiro.
And Matt Walsh, you know, folks at Daily Wire, people at Fox.
Tucker, obviously, was super supportive.
And then you had the elected officials.
It was just, it was so incredible.
Like, I felt so supported by everyone.
So, and that was, like, it was amazing.
I mean, we're talking about, like, everyone.
And then Jeremy Boring teamed up with Tim Poole, and they put up a billboard in Times Square that said, Taylor Loren's dogs lives at TikTok.
And that was like, I mean, it was so great.
It was amazing.
Like, I had so many people offering to help me.
Seth Dillon was amazing.
He was so nice.
He helped me a lot.
So it was so incredible.
But then, obviously, on the flip side, you have the leftists, right?
So they, well, I think...
There was no dirt on me, right?
There was no info besides my name.
So why publish that?
And I think the goal was to get people to scare me and to get people to start harassing me.
So we had to put up security all over our house.
And then I started getting flooded with death threats.
And now I know where you live.
I'm going to come find you.
I'm going to come kill you.
You better be careful.
I'm coming tomorrow.
You know, you should die, this, that, whatever.
And then they're all trying to find stuff about me, about my relatives, about anyone with my last name.
A lot of people sharing my last name were getting harassed on, like, you know, people searching up their numbers and getting a lot of phone calls and text messages, like, with really disgusting language.
And then obviously the left-wing media, you know, was...
All, you know, supporting Taylor and they were pro the doxing.
So it was like two extremes.
But I don't know if I would have been able to get through it without all that support I got from people on the right.
And I think, yeah, I mean, I think the whole goal was to scare me.
And it obviously didn't work.
It completely backfired.
You know, like, to me, when that happened, I'm, like, thinking, like, what happens next, right?
Like, now everyone knows my name.
And I'm, like, my, it didn't even, it wasn't even, like, a second of having to, like, think about it.
It was, like, I'm just going to fight harder.
Like, I'm going to do this harder because I see how much it angers them.
And, like, and I just, I have to continue doing this.
It wasn't even a thought.
It wasn't even a debate in my mind.
And I think also once you've lived through that experience, you do realize it is noise.
It's intended to be purely psychological.
The people doing it do it just because it's anonymous and it's easy.
And what they try to do is, other than intimidate and all that stuff, go after, I presume, your business.
Did you have anybody...
Filing complaints about you as an agent?
Did you give up your practice?
Well, I actually had not been doing real estate for a couple months at that point.
I think my license was even expired.
And the owner of the company I worked for, I called him and I was like, look, this is what's happening.
They named your company.
So let me know if there's any way I can help.
And he's like, oh, we're handling it.
They were getting a lot of emails and calls saying, like, you guys are employing a terrorist, a Nazi, a fascist.
You know, you have to fire her.
I'm never going to work with your company.
You guys are evil, awful, whatever, all those types of stuff.
And that's in New York, right?
So this is like liberal New York.
So there was a fear that it could impact their business.
But, you know, thankfully that passed really quickly.
It was just two, three days.
And then everyone forgot about it.
And I wasn't even working there anymore at the time.
But, yeah, so they were fine in the end.
And I presume that the deluge that you were experiencing also subsided.
You probably still get the here and there even today.
But the deluge subsided after a week or so?
Well, there's, like, flare-ups.
You know, so obviously then it was really crazy.
Then there was, you know, when the whole lesbian media decided that I was somehow responsible for a bomb threat in a children's hospital, that was obviously a flare-up, tons of death threats and really nasty messages.
There was a time that the lesbian media decided that I was responsible for the Colorado nightclub shooting.
Again, you know, so there's like ups and downs.
When I did the face reveal, there were obviously tons of death threats again.
So on a daily, on a weekly basis, I would say I get, I probably get, like, between death threats and like really nasty messages on a weekly basis, I probably get like between one to two dozen.
And then if there's like a flare-up or like the media decides that I am responsible for something, then...
I probably get, I mean, I probably get like five dozen.
Now, speaking of flare-ups and not talking about hemorrhoids, hold on.
Let me bring this up here.
I didn't hear what happened with AOC, and you'll have to give me some context, but hold on.
Let me just see.
I thought I had, hold on, bookmarked CBC.
Okay, hold on.
So I'm going to have to just open this incognito.
We'll watch a short video, and then we're going to see what's going on, because this, it's...
It's unbelievable.
And the way to blame you for anything that bad that happens because you are amplifying what people want the world to hear in any event.
Here we go.
I think this is it.
Okay, here.
Let's see this here.
I don't know what it is.
I haven't watched this yet.
Let's go ahead and give this a watch.
You're actually super transmoping and I never want to get your space with you.
I am here outside the Cannon Building.
I was here last week because I attempted to ask AOC why she lied about me in a committee hearing.
She cowered away.
She refused to talk to me.
So I'm back here today, one week later, and I'm going to deliver her an ethics complaint that I filed for lying about an American citizen in a committee hearing.
You broke the rules.
Believe it or not, there's actually rules on Capitol Hill.
In 23, clause 1 is a big one.
You've got to act in a way that reflects credibility on the house.
Hold on.
Chaya, did this guy identify himself?
This is your lawyer, I presume, right?
Yeah, so I filed this with the help of the Heritage Foundation Oversight Project.
So that's their lawyer.
His name is Mike.
Really great guy.
Okay.
I don't know what the lie was.
What was the lie?
Let's go inside and see if she's there.
Did you have permission to be there?
We wouldn't want you getting charged with obstruction of Congress or parading and picketing.
So basically a few weeks ago, AOC lied about me in a committee hearing.
So I tried to come last week and talk to her, but she kind of cowered away, wasn't interested in talking to me.
So together with Mike from the Heritage Foundation Oversight, he helped me file this ethics complaint.
So we filed that.
And if you can give it to AOC, I would really appreciate it.
Thank you.
And tell her to stop lying about American citizens.
Thanks for the advice, Chaya.
She dropped off an ethics complaint at AOC's office, and unfortunately she wasn't there.
So we laughed, and then I was walking through the Capitol, and guess who I went to?
AOC herself.
I just celebrated an ethics complaint at your office because you lied about it.
Oh my goodness.
She didn't know who you were at first.
No, she didn't know.
She was standing there, and I was like...
She thought you were an adoring fan.
Yeah, I was like, "Can I take a picture of you?" She's like, "Sure." Oh my goodness.
Okay.
What was the lie?
Was it about having inspired a bomb threat?
Yeah.
So she said in a committee hearing a couple weeks ago that I inspired a bomb threat and I lied about Boston Children's Hospital.
So, you know, right away, obviously, I called her out.
And then last week, I was in D.C. and I was like, you know what, I'm going to go confront AOC and ask her why she lied about me.
And I was like ready to sit there and talk to her and discuss this.
So I don't know if you saw part one last week, but...
Basically, I went over and they were like, oh, she's not here.
You know, she can't talk right now.
So I left her a note.
She has these sticky notes on the wall.
So I left her a note and I wrote, stop lying about American citizens.
And then this week I was back in D.C. So we were working this week on filing an ethics complaint.
And then I went to deliver it to her.
Again, she wasn't there or wasn't available.
So, you know, I thought it was over and then we're leaving and we're walking through the Capitol and then we bumped into her.
So it was really, it was really perfect.
But yeah, I don't know.
I don't, I don't know if anything will happen with the ethics complaint, but I think it's really important to show these people that you're going to hold them accountable and you're not just going to let them do whatever they want and just go around lying and defaming people that they disagree with.
Well, not to add a little more pessimism to that, but Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has two convictions under the Ethics Act, and he's still Prime Minister.
I don't know if he's had more complaints.
Two bona fide convictions for ethics violations under the, I don't know if it's the Federal Conference, whatever that Federal Ethics Act is.
Still Prime Minister.
People still vote for it.
Makes no difference.
Okay, so hold on a second.
She accuses you of being transphobic.
I would accuse her of being anti-Semitic because the only reason she would presume that you're transphobic is because she's assuming that religious Jews or religious people themselves have something against transgender or people who identify themselves as transgender.
Let me ask you this because I know the answer.
People will accuse you of targeting certain groups.
What is the motivation for what you do?
You put people who want their message to be out there on blast.
With commentary, but why do you pick on the subject matter that you decide to address?
Well, I think that up until very recently, it was not a partisan issue, and we sort of all agreed as human beings that, you know, we always protect kids, and we let kids be kids, and we don't bring kids into this, right?
And then...
And then all of a sudden, you know, they're like, oh, well, you know, kids should be able to chop off their breasts and kids should be able to go on puberty blockers and kids should be able to attend strip shows and drag shows and read porn in school.
So it's like, I mean, it's really, really sad that it's become a partisan issue and it's associated with, like, left versus right because...
I think it happened pretty recently.
And my goal is to protect childhood innocence, right?
Let kids be kids.
Let them grow up.
Protect the children at all costs.
Let's not sexualize kids.
Let's not prey on kids.
And then I'm going to call out anyone who's doing that.
So, you know, I don't care what group they're in.
There are people who prey on kids who are not necessarily far leftists, I think.
So, you know, that's not something that I'm afraid to call out.
You know, but, you know, they always say, like, oh, well, are you against these beauty pageants or, like, Hooters where they go and there's waitresses wearing sexualized clothes?
And I'm like, yeah, I'm against that, too.
Like, I'm just against sexualizing kids and ripping away their innocence.
That's what I'm against.
I mean, what do you attribute this descent of humanity to?
Now you say it, like, we should be protecting kids, not making them the object of politics.
And the COVID pandemic was, like, the first time in my life where children were being used as the shields.
And I said, oh, look at that.
For the first time, you know, humanity is using children as the shield for the elderly.
And someone...
Astutely retorted.
Back in the day, they used to throw virgins into volcanoes and they used to sacrifice children because they thought it would protect people.
Do you have any cosmic, spiritual, or political insight or theory as to why the hell the world is degenerating the way we see it degenerating?
Well, I think it's been going on for probably longer than we'd like to admit.
And I think a lot of people just didn't realize or weren't paying attention.
Or maybe we didn't have the proper platforms to really expose it.
But now, all of a sudden, I'm talking about drag a lot and I'm talking about the porn in schools a lot and the sexualized adult entertainment.
But the truth is, this has been around for more than...
Five years, like close to like, I think the first drag show for kids that I saw on record was like in 2014.
So maybe it was even earlier.
So like this has been going on for a while.
But like no one was talking about it and no one was really honing in on it and paying attention.
But and now I'm doing that and I'm very humbled that I'm able to do this for people and to share this agenda.
But I mean.
I think that their goal is to just create this, like, destructive and chaotic society where everyone is just confused about their identity and their gender and everyone's super just sensitive and they want to, you know, so that they're easier to control.
That's what I think.
I don't know if there's, like, I don't know if they have a plan necessarily for what happens after, but I think that they just want chaos.
The amazing thing is the shifting of the Overton's window, because once upon a time, it's like the defund the police.
When it first started, everyone said it was ridiculous, left and right, and then people said it enough and enough, and then some people started saying, well, maybe it makes a little sense, and then it actually became liberal democratic policy.
With once upon a time, I'm older than you, there was a movie called Teenagers.
Oh, no, it was called Kids.
It was a movie called Kids, depicting, like, Debauchery, degeneracy among kids and people were outraged that they were actually getting 16 year old kids to make out on camera for a movie.
And now we're in a world where the CBC government subsidized media is sitting kids down to have a very uncomfortable meet and greet with drag queens.
Let me ask you this.
On a personal basis, what's your sentiment to anybody who, a full-grown adult in full awareness of fact and law, who decides to do whatever they want with their body?
What are your views on that, at large?
On an adult becoming transgender?
An adult.
Full-grown adult, mentally fit, full awareness of fact and law, who decides to do these things?
Do you have any personal moral gripe with that?
I do.
From a personal perspective, I think like, I don't know if you saw like Michael Knowles, his speech at CPAC.
They got really upset about it, but I think he was right.
You know, like it's the whole idea of transgenderism is based on a lie.
Like you cannot change your gender.
There are, well, I mean, it's arguable that there even is such a thing as gender that's like separate from sex.
Like that was made up by people and like.
You know, I think that's what started this whole badness that we're seeing.
But, like, there are two sexes.
There's male and female, and there's nothing else, and you can't change it.
So, you know, I think if we let adults say, like, oh, well, actually, I want to be the opposite one.
Let me chop off my breasts.
Let me chop off my penis.
You know, are we going to let people who decide that they're disabled go blind?
You know, are we going to let people who decide that...
They should not have legs, chop off their legs.
And there are very few cases of that actually happening, by the way.
There have been a handful of stories of doctors who did that.
So I think it's like, you know, how does that all make sense?
I don't think it does.
Do I pull it up?
It was the article from The Daily Mirror.
But there was an actual story of a woman who claimed to identify as being blind and actually got a doctor, I think it was a psychologist, to...
Blind her by pouring acid into her eyes.
And she said even as it was happening, she felt liberated.
She felt vindicated.
It's an interesting thing.
Once upon a time, when the discussion could be had openly.
There was a time when people said, there's nothing to be ashamed of in terms of mental illness.
Have an open discussion about it.
Talk about it freely.
If you're depressed, if you have anxiety, if you have OCD, if you have generalized anxiety disorder, if you had things like body dysmorphia or body dysphoria, I forget which one.
Anemia.
Not anemia.
I'm an idiot.
Bulimia and the other one when you are...
Anorexia.
Anorexia.
Sorry, yes.
And so there was a time when people said, talk about it so you could deal with it and get therapy, which the therapy was a different type of therapy than catering to it.
And the analogy that people are using today is like, imagine someone who's anorexic says, I feel fat, and a doctor's like...
That's because you identify as fat.
You should really go out and exercise more and eat less and throw up more, which is sort of what's going on right now.
But it's a diagnosable thing, gender dysphoria.
It's been in the DSM-5 for decades.
Yeah, it's in the DSM.
And nobody should be discriminated against for any mental disorder, whether it's gender dysphoria or OCD or neuroses or whatever.
I agree.
And so the question becomes, are we...
Not just normalizing, but encouraging this.
That's where it becomes an issue broader than an adult saying, I'm more inclined to say, adults, it's your body.
If you're a sound mind and you're not being exploited, you're not being...
Other mental issues that you're going through are not being exploited for the purposes of pushing this.
Like when I interviewed Tulip Ritchie, who's an adult man who was going through a number of psychological issues, but then gets whipped up because of those psychological issues into transgenderism, ends up Removing his penis and waking up immediately after the surgery regretting is an understatement.
What is the solution to this and how do people get out of it?
Or how does society get out of it without devolving into more violence?
I think we get out of it by exposing it because sunlight is the best disinfectant.
And just like there are so many stories of detransitioners, Who are younger, but I mean, we need to start talking about adult detransitioners as well.
That's what I think.
And there are people who There are a lot of adults, I think, who will regret their transition.
It's the same thing with kids because they really only started doing this pretty recently.
So, you know, and they keep saying, well, you know, if so many people are detransitioning and they regret it, then why don't the study show that?
And it's like, well, because you guys just started doing this like literally three years ago.
So how are we?
So how can we have all that data yet?
But there's so much evidence that what they're doing.
Is actually bad and wrong.
So, you know, I think it will just be another few years until we do have all those studies and all that data from all those people, kids and adults who regret their transition, just because the whole idea of transitioning to another gender is based on a complete lie.
And, you know, someone who's struggling with their body and with gender dysphoria.
I feel bad for them.
I really do.
I really sympathize.
And they're suffering, and they should get help.
So I think as a society, we should be exposing the agenda and why it's wrong and why it's bad.
At the same time, we need to be offering solutions for this mental health crisis that's plaguing our country.
I speak about it a lot.
I say, you know, there's a serious mental health crisis in America, and I don't think it's being addressed enough.
You know, it should be...
I don't know what we need to do.
Maybe we need to create more programs.
Maybe more people need to step up.
I know that the First Lady of Florida has a whole program where she talks about and helps kids who are suffering from mental health crisis or from addiction.
So maybe each state has to pay more attention to it.
But I think you rarely hear politicians talking about it.
And I was just looking it up for another reason because I posted yesterday the gun statistics, ownership in America versus ownership in Switzerland and correlated intentional homicide.
And some people thought I was trying to make a racial comment, but I was actually more focusing on the use of antidepressants and the prescription of antidepressants among a generalized population.
Switzerland does seem to be high in respect of Europe, but I think exponentially lower than America.
And Canada is pretty bad as well.
There's a mental health crisis.
There's not a doubt about it.
Self-harm, suicide, drug overdoses in both Canada and the US.
It materializes itself differently depending on the country, but suicide, suicidal ideation, self-harm, spiking in both Canada and the US, despite the CBC, the same network that put together the drag time Q&A, said before any stats were in, the pandemic actually lowered suicide rates.
Yeah, maybe.
Because people couldn't, you know, I don't know, go outside.
You speak very eloquently politically.
And I think one of the questions many people are going to ask is, are you going to get into politics in a meaningful way, like run for office and try to give AOC a little political run for her money?
Well, definitely not in AOC's district because it's like a hard D and I don't even live there.
So I think that would be a waste of time and money.
But I mean, yeah, people ask me that all the time.
I think like what I'm doing now, I think is really important.
I really love what I'm doing now.
And I'm going to continue doing it for as long as I can.
And I think as far as the future, you know.
I'm not gonna put myself in any, like, boxes.
I think that God put me in this position for a reason.
I think that this is, you know, this is my mission.
So, you know, if God, you know, finds another path for me, then...
I'll follow that.
So, I mean, you never know what could happen.
I never, I mean, two years ago, I never thought that this would happen.
So, you know, it's not something I ever wanted.
But, you know, it's sort of, it was my calling.
It was like, God was like calling on me to do this.
That's what I feel like.
So I feel like I found my calling and I'm put in this position for a reason.
So, you know, whatever happens next.
I don't know, but I'm excited to see.
Fantastic.
And I know I said I would keep you one hour and we've done good.
If I may just ask, there's a question in our vivabarneslaw.locals.com.
Question for L-O-T.
I'm so stupid.
When I saw L-O-T-T, I thought it was Lord of the Rings or Lord of the Something sequel when I didn't know it.
Libs of TikTok was, the more I'm active on social media as a, quote, right-winger, which I'm not.
This is from D2KC in our locals community.
I'm under the impression that I'm living a double life.
Did you experience the same thing?
Was coming out a relief for you?
I didn't actually ask this if you're not uncomfortable answering the question.
Parents liberal?
Conservative?
Most people think religious Jews are going to be conservative?
Conservative, yeah.
Okay.
Was it a relief to come out?
Are you finding that there's a lot of closet Republicans, closet conservatives out there who are now taking inspiration from your strength?
You know, after I was doxxed, remember I said, like, I didn't know if they found a picture.
So every single day I was like, is today going to be the day that they find a picture?
Because that's when I'm like, you know, I'm really out.
And it was eight months of waiting and seeing.
Actually, it was very anxiety-inducing, and that's when I was like, okay, I can't do this anymore.
So I came out.
So it actually was a huge relief to come out and to show my face.
But I didn't come out as, you know, I was always conservative, and my family was too.
So I know that there are a lot of people, I get a lot of messages from liberals and Democrats, and they're like, I love what you're doing.
Follow you or share it, you know, because my friends will know I'll lose my job or whatever it is.
But I think that, and this goes back to a little bit to what I was saying before, that most of the stuff that I talk about should not really be a left versus right issue.
This is about a protecting children issue.
And a lot of liberals and Democrats are on the same page.
It's really this, like, far left group that is very, that advocates for sexualizing and grooming kids.
And I know that there have been a lot of people who've reached out to me and said, like, I know I'm no longer a Democrat because of your account.
So I think I have inspired a lot of people, and I hope to continue doing that.
And now if I may, let me, there's some rumble rants on the rumble side of things.
Let's go over here.
One is a joke, which is mildly inappropriate, but I'll have to read it.
Chaocity says the best thing about conservative women is no penis.
Okay, huh?
Mandatory carry.
Keep fighting.
Also, I thought Lord of the, again, libs of TikTok was a guy until some...
Thank you for the support.
Chaya is a brave lady.
That is from CrazyGuru1.
As a Democrat, an ethics complaint won't affect AOC.
That's only used for Republicans.
Of course, she has to use the transphobe smear, whatever that means.
And that's from TA1234.
And Uncle Kenny says, thank you, Chaya, for protecting the kids.
What's next on the agenda?
And how much time a day do you spend on TikTok?
Or do you rely on your community to send you the really good highlights?
Yeah, so it's a little bit of both.
I spend a lot of time researching, but I also have a lot of people sending me stuff.
And I do have an assistant who helps me.
So it's a little bit of everything.
So there's a lot of content to go around.
Do you ever feel bad that you're taking someone who, you know, posted a video that got no views on TikTok and put them on a blast that, you know, maybe they didn't even think was possible in the same way you didn't think it was possible until Taylor Lorenz doxed you?
So, it's a good question.
Sometimes a little bit, but it depends on the type of video.
If it's like, I think like at the end of the day, it just...
Like, it has to be done because we have to show people what is happening, and this is the best way to do it.
But, you know, people ask me, like, oh, when a teacher gets fired because of your work, do you feel bad?
It's like, I do feel a little bit bad, but at the end of the day, like, they are an adult.
They posted this publicly.
On TikTok, and the only reason they would do that is because they would want people to see it.
And people have to see what's going on.
Like, if you don't want your stuff to be shared, then don't share it in the first place.
Like, I'm not hacking anything.
I'm not following.
I have a rule that I don't share stuff from private accounts, even if I'm following them.
So it's like, you know, don't post this publicly if you don't want it to be shared.
There was a story, I don't know who the influencer was, but they posted a video of them, the dad saran wrapping the kid with his arms, and they thought it was funny, and they posted it, and then they get reported to Child Protective Services.
Sometimes when I retweet things, I have that reflex, and I'm not in the industry of being the first one to find something that's going to outrage people.
But the amazing thing is, even after you do it...
It's not even as though you find the most outrageous things that should elicit unanimous condemnation.
And when they don't, that is, I mean, in my mind, if I had to rationalize what would make me feel bad doing in the first place, that would be it.
The fact that everyone's not unanimously outraged about some of these things, so much so that it's now mainstream CBC, that is the need to show it.
Yeah.
All right.
So you have an assistant.
So this has become a thing.
How can people support you if they want to support you?
So I have a sub stack, which is at livesoftiktok.com.
So that's a really great way to support me.
I post stories there that are a little bit longer, have more research or more interesting, you know, than just a TikTok video.
So, you know, you could become a subscriber there or a paid subscriber to help support us.
And then I also wrote a kid's book, which is available on lottbook.com.
And it basically just...
It strengthens the family and teaches parents and kids to build a trusting relationship so that kids don't get preyed upon.
So it's a really good message, really good story.
So you can buy it on Amazon or lottbook.com.
All right.
You'll flip me all of those links right after we're done and I'll put it in the pinned comment.
And I'm just looking to see if there's any questions that I missed here.
Hi, I think we did everything.
We got it all into a crampacked hour.
Thank you very much.
People are going to say, keep doing what you're doing.
Others are going to say, stop doing what you're doing because it's making us look like depraved individuals.
When you can't even get AOC to say an adult doing what they want to themselves, or even among consenting adults is one thing, but thinking that you're treating a child By permanently altering their body because of what is...
I say that the biggest irony of the trans movement is it being fundamentally misogynist and homophobic to a certain extent, as you're basically telling otherwise gay kids that, no, there's something wrong with you because you must be born into the wrong body if you're attracted to the same sex.
And it seems to be very one-way in any event for now, but...
Chaya.
Thank you very much.
Send me the links.
We'll post it out there.
Everybody, there's not going to be an exclusive Locals after this.
I'll go live with Locals later today.
I've got to do a few things this afternoon.
Thank you very much.
It's been fascinating.
And let's do it again.
We'll say our proper goodbyes after I hit end broadcast.