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Jan. 27, 2023 - Viva & Barnes

01:44:58

Live with Standup Comic Tyler Fischer! Viva Frei Live!

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	We believe fundamentally that food solves hunger, that shelters solve sleep, and that housing solves homelessness.
	And if we're going to solve the problem of those that are out on the streets that we define as homeless, we better solve the housing problem if we're going to have an impact.
	And that's why we established this framework, what we call a 10-year plan for chronic homeless in San Francisco.
	We believe fundamentally that...
	Food solves hunger.
	No, no.
	Not there.
	Hold on.
	And that housing solves homelessness.
	Hold on one second.
	I've got to get the right frame.
	There we go.
	We're going to leave that just like that.
	Does he not look like the paradigm of a villain in a sci-fi dystopian Futuristic hellscape that the world has become.
	This looks like a scene out of Robocop.
	This guy looks like the archetypal villain in a movie.
	But don't you love, by the way, how politicians, when they come into office, now we can take this out of here because we don't want to see that.
	They always create plans.
	That are going to take a very long time.
	And by the way, so when their term is up next election, I said it was going to take 10 years, not four years.
	You can't boot me out of office and call me a filthy failure because I didn't do what I said I was going to do in four years when I said it was going to take 10 years.
	You got to keep electing me, people.
	Yeah, so I was going to start with the Paul Pelosi video, but A, look, we might talk about it today and I'll leave the...
	Edgy humor to the edgy comedian.
	I'm not really known for that.
	But my goodness, does that video raise more questions than answers?
	The video's out.
	At least the body cam footage of one of the cops is out.
	And the reluctance to share that video, the length of time that it took them to release that body cam, the fact that who the hell opened the door?
	Why was Paul Pelosi holding a drink in his left hand?
	Why did it look like he was wearing a fancy buttoned-up shirt and underwear?
	Why when he's fighting for his life against this guy who assaulted him and there's no joke and there's no denying that, he's still holding a drink with his hand instead of in full fight-for-your-life defensive mode.
	There are so many questions about that.
	The video looked edited.
	King Ginger333.
	We're getting into the next level of not even trusting the video that we've seen, which I do not fault anyone for going there.
	Hold on one second.
	He does remember Paul Pelosi's related to Gavin through marriage.
	I didn't know that.
	Anyhow, that's it.
	The video's out there and it's on the interwebs.
	Now, I was 30 seconds late and I'm going to blame Tyler.
	I'm joking.
	Yeah, someone said, who said a busy day, Viva?
	It's busy because I'm an idiot.
	Tyler and I have been messaging all week and then I didn't realize that he replied to my DM confirming noon Friday and I didn't think he was on for noon Friday.
	So then I say, I'm going to go on Eric Hundley's noon Friday show.
	And as I'm live there, I see that Tyler confirmed noon.
	I was like, my bad, mea culpa.
	Can we do this at three?
	And he said, yes.
	And he's in the backdrop.
	Tyler Fisher.
	I've been trying to find dirt on Tyler Fisher.
	I've been trying to find scandals.
	Something like a Me Too thing.
	Tyler mentioned just before we went live that he's got a case that's going up to the Supreme Court, so I don't know what it's about, but I couldn't find dirt on Tyler.
	In fact, even when I petitioned the audience, mandated the audience to find dirt on Tyler, they said, no dirt, just a good dude.
	And we're going to bring him in because he's funny, he's crude, he's crass, he's...
	I've watched his stand-up special, and I got lots to talk about.
	Okay, share the link around because it was such short notice, but this is going to be epic.
	We are on Rumble.
	Oh, I'm an idiot.
	Let me make sure that we are, in fact, on Rumble, and we will go exclusive to Rumble at some point during this stream to reward Rumble for being what it is.
	Seemingly the last bastion of true free speech.
	All right, let's do it.
	Tyler, get ready.
	Three.
	Two.
	Does he know that I'm going to bring him in?
	He's standing up.
	He's sitting down.
	Thumbs up.
	All right, man.
	You see, I wasn't sure if you were standing up as part of a...
	Yeah, well, no, this isn't part of anything.
	It's just part of letting everybody know that we're doing this safe.
	And I just got my ninth booster this morning.
	This is your merch, by the way, correct?
	What?
	No!
	No!
	There's no shame.
	I'm going to pin the COVID prayer.
	Do the right thing, buddy.
	Jab, jab, jab, jab, jab.
	Do the right thing.
	No, this was all just...
	I didn't even know this was here.
	I didn't know any of this was even...
	I'll post the links.
	I like it.
	Too woke to joke is damn good.
	We're going to get into that, actually, as to when humor dies.
	I've made not a Venn diagram, but one of those axis charts that the more virtue goes up, the more comedy goes down.
	But we're going to get there.
	Tyler.
	Can you swear on this?
	Oh, yeah, you can swear.
	Well, then I'm not going to do it.
	Okay, because that's really not common.
	You can do it.
	I try not to.
	Every time I do it, I do offend the ears of...
	I'm not known for swearing.
	And every now and again, I get very angry and I do drop an F-bomb and then...
	You're more of an N-word off-camera type of guy.
	I swear to you.
	There are certain things that I don't have to fear in life.
	I'm talking about non-vaccinated.
	Don't say the N-word.
	I was going to say, there's things that I don't have to fear in life, like sex tapes and me hurling racial epithets in private are not things that I have to worry about.
	Tyler.
	You're more of a sex Blu-ray guy?
	I'm the most boring person on earth, I'm starting to realize.
	Yeah, because you're successful.
	That's kind of how it goes a little bit.
	We'll see about that.
	Okay, so hold on.
	30,000 foot overview, childhood, and then we're going to talk life.
	Who are you for those who don't know?
	Well, I...
	Was a white man, and that wasn't going well, so I'm now an elderly, Latinx, gender-fluid, paraplegic, and so things have been going good since then, and you can't really say anything negative about me anymore.
	No, I was born in Connecticut.
	Actually, I was born on my kitchen floor in Connecticut.
	I swear to God, it's right here.
	I'm going to get it.
	I'm going to get it.
	Just two seconds.
	You do that, and I'm actually going to go pin the link to Rumble, because I have a feeling.
	Born on the kitchen floor, the question was, where was he made?
	The actual floor I was born on.
	I'm so small that I just flew out of my mom like a water slide.
	How many kids did your mother have?
	She had three kids.
	I was her third, so she was loosened up.
	So hold on, this is actually a piece of the tile from the floor?
	This is where I was born on the floor, yeah, and she ripped it out.
	I framed it, and I have this on my wall.
	Sometimes I'll bring a chick home and be like, you want to see how I was born?
	And then 50-50, some of them get so creeped out.
	They're like, what the fuck is wrong with you, man?
	I thought women would like it, but apparently.
	The obvious joke now is you were born on the floor, but were you conceived on the floor?
	Bada bing, bada boom.
	I was conceived on the ceiling.
	They had this strap thing on the ceiling, and they wanted to just do the opposite.
	I live in Brooklyn, New York now, so women are more like, show me where somebody was aborted.
	That would turn me on.
	I need to, like, take the floor from an abortion clinic and hang it up.
	So, seriously born on the floor?
	Born on the floor.
	Connecticut, middle-class family, blue-collar lawyer dad.
	And then my father, plot twist, came out of the closet when I was seven.
	He came out as racist, and so that really threw us.
	No, he came out as gay.
	Came out as gay.
	And so, you know, that started my journey probably to becoming a comedian.
	Well, let's back this up a little more because, first of all, let's not even get there just yet.
	Born on the floor, third of three kids.
	What's the age difference between your siblings?
	We're all two years apart.
	Okay.
	And what have they gone on to become, if I may ask that?
	Do you get compared to them?
	Why didn't you grow up to be more like your siblings who are, I don't know, professionals?
	Well, one of them's gay now.
	No, he was always gay, but he came out later too.
	So, you know.
	I didn't get the gay gene.
	Now I wish I did.
	Now I'm like, what the hell?
	Why did I get cursed?
	I had to come out as straight in my family because there were so many gay people.
	My dad, his brother, my brother, probably a couple others that are still secret.
	I was the toxic, straight, white, cis male in my family.
	Your dad comes out as gay, but later on in life...
	But now, knowing that piece of evidence or that piece of information in advance, what was your childhood like?
	Now that you know that your dad came out as gay, did it explain any sort of behavior, tendencies, characteristics that you now retroactively reanalyze with that information?
	Yeah, come to think of it, some of the him having sex with guys now, I'm like, oh, okay, now I understand what that was about.
	The thing is, I don't know if you're joking or not.
	I was seven years old, so I actually have no memory at all of him living at my house.
	But, you know, this was in the 90s in Connecticut where, you know, that's what bothers me about how oppressed everybody is in the LGBTQ, which it should just be called the not straight list.
	I don't know why.
	They just add everything.
	It's like, we're in the not straights, you know?
	Because it was so bad back then.
	You know, he really had to be repressed and he really had to hide it.
	And so I have a lot of compassion for that.
	And I think it was, you know, he was of the first wave to really start coming out.
	But those were the men that were already married with kids.
	So I grew up with a bunch of kids who had gay dads.
	There was like a group of us, you know, or if one of his boyfriends had kids, we'd hang out and be like, well, I guess this is our life now.
	So, yeah, he moved out, got his own place, and then had a series of boyfriends, and he actually just got married last month.
	I've got to ask this.
	Someone in the chat says, no memory from seven years.
	I'm trying to think of what my earliest...
	I don't think I have very many memories of pre-seven.
	I think eight years is when I start to have meaningful memories.
	So you have no memory of your dad.
	Your dad's probably gay, too, then.
	I think that's kind of...
	Well, he hit it well.
	He's still married.
	But hold on.
	So...
	You don't remember the split up.
	You just remember your dad leaving.
	All I remember is he sat us down, right?
	And he gave us the talk.
	You know the talk where your dad tells you he's fucking the neighbor.
	And he just said, I'm moving out.
	So that was it.
	That was like my world exploded.
	It was like mom sobbing.
	It was just this really devastating memory.
	And then about a year later, two years later, maybe I was nine.
	He said I'm gay.
	I didn't conceptualize it, you know?
	So I don't actually know when it made sense to me.
	So I actually hid it from my friends for 10 years.
	So I was so embarrassed because, you know, this was like right after the AIDS epidemic.
	You know, it's kind of like people, unvaccinated people now.
	They were treated in a similar way.
	So yeah, I hit it.
	I hit it for my friends.
	It was brutal.
	It was absolutely brutal.
	And then I had that kind of like, oh wait, you're a straight white guy.
	You're not allowed to have problems.
	So I've repressed how awful my childhood was until I hit about 30 when it all just exploded.
	And so now the last five years I've been going back and trying to figure it all out.
	There's always a lot of truth in jest, which is what makes humor funny.
	Being able to digest the tragedy and move on from it or rationalize it.
	But your dad leaves when you're seven.
	So you're growing up without a dad.
	Is it shared custody?
	Is it only with your mother?
	Does your mother tell you what's happening?
	Is your mother amicable with your father?
	Or is she enraged?
	Or did she always know that she suspected he might have been gay?
	Well, we did a bidding war every Sunday.
	Every Sunday, it was renegotiated what days I would be where.
	I didn't really know where I would be.
	They would fight over us every week.
	Every week, there was a competition for our attention, for us to be at which house.
	I never really knew.
	Did my mom know?
	I'm not sure if she knew.
	It's funny because When I tell people I'm from Connecticut, they're always like, oh, Connecticut.
	Oh, would you have two houses?
	And I'm like, yeah, I did have two houses.
	One where my dad left and he's fucking dudes and I had to hide it for 10 years.
	And one where my mom would go under the crawlspace under the stairs and carve the word gay into the wood and would scream in this little room.
	So those were my houses.
	Those were my privileged Connecticut estates to pick from.
	No joke here.
	Your mother, at the time, I don't know when she got over it, was angry about it?
	Oh, yeah.
	And your parents were not getting along, I presume, after they split up.
	They tried.
	I mean, they tried.
	But, like, you know, that's...
	I can see how it's tough for both, you know?
	And that's kind of how I've lived my life since then, just feeling like I'm stuck in between.
	I always find a way to get stuck in between two.
	Yeah, she was not happy about it at all.
	And I know that some of your bit involves references to priests, which we're going to get to, but are you religious growing up?
	And is this like sort of a...
	I imagine it's a community embarrassment, and I'm saying embarrassment in quotes, that if you're in a certain religious community, well, you just became public enemy number one.
	I mean, was there that shame in the family growing up?
	Yeah, we were Methodist.
	I don't even know what that means, but that's what we were.
	A branch of Christianity or something.
	So yeah, I assume that was lingering for sure.
	Probably a more Democrat or moderate type of town.
	But yeah, there was a tremendous amount of shame because homosexuality was not...
	Marriage wasn't even legal yet.
	People don't realize.
	Obama, Lord Obama, did not run on legalizing gay marriage, which people forget.
	Oh, once we have a black guy in there, everything's okay.
	Well, what about that?
	So it was not fully accepted the way it is today.
	And I would say it's become over-accepted to the point of a shameful compassion to just say yes to now any new thing that seems to branch off of homosexuality, which has nothing to do with it, really.
	So, yeah, there's tons of shame.
	Tons of shame.
	I would hide it from my friends to the point where if my dad had a boyfriend over and my dad would go, this is my partner.
	And that word wasn't even really around.
	My friends would go, what do you mean that's his partner?
	I go, oh, it's his law partner.
	They got a big case.
	So I would tell my friends that his law partner would sleep over because they got to be up all night working.
	You know, so if you hear any commotion in there, you know, any moaning, they're reenacting the murder.
	You know, don't worry about that.
	Guys, this is like, my dad's the Daniel Day-Lewis of lawyers.
	So, yeah, yeah.
	I spent most of my life hiding.
	I spent most of my life like a closeted homosexual man.
	So I feel like I have more of that experience than most gay people do today.
	It's very interesting.
	And I understand exactly what you're saying.
	You're growing up with something that, to you at that age, you're hiding as much as they hid it and had as much social stigma for you.
	And if I may ask, when does your brother know that he's gay?
	When does he come out?
	He came out when I was 21. He came out of the closet.
	The night I was playing Mozart in Amadeus at the University of Rhode Island, a theatrical production.
	And I was in the middle of a complete mental breakdown.
	So I was playing Mozart, a guy who starts to lose his mind in the play, while I actually, you know, likely probably should have been put into a psych ward.
	I think all this stuff started coming out for me in college.
	You know, once you're really exposed to the world, pseudo-world, it's a little bit of a bubble.
	And so my brother...
	Was having a mental breakdown because he was coming out of the closet.
	So we were both losing our minds.
	And he came out on my birthday, February 28th, after the play.
	I'm going to have to break that down, Tyler.
	Your childhood, you've sort of...
	You explained it to some degree.
	It's a broken family, split family.
	You're living with the shame because it's a different era of having a father who came out as gay.
	It breaks up the marriage.
	Your mother...
	Now I'm caring for my mom, though, as well.
	So starting at age seven, I became her husband.
	The classic eatable complex.
	Or for the people that are sexually attracted to their mom when they're high, it's called an edible complex.
	That's a recent discovery.
	Psychological literature.
	So yeah, I became the husband of the house at seven.
	So I started caring for my mom emotionally, physically.
	I would sleep in bed with her.
	Nothing explicitly sexual, but from what I learned now is called a covert incest relationship.
	You can't really distinguish the difference.
	Between the emotional and sexual incest.
	So, you know, imagine your husband, who's gone, who was offering you physical contact and love and stuff.
	I became that at age seven.
	Until when do you share a bed and then realize, or do you realize at any point that it's not, that it's particular?
	I probably felt it wasn't right, but these are, your parents are your gods, right?
	So you're not questioning it.
	It's just all you know.
	So, oh, into my teens.
	This is actually not fascinating.
	I had no idea we were going here because I haven't heard all your stand-up.
	I just had therapy like two hours ago, so I think I'm in the zone of just like, you got me on a good day.
	So you have this childhood, which I'll ask for other details as to what the childhood was like, but I think we've got the gist.
	And how does this, you're compartmentalizing.
	I guess you're experiencing this and then probably not even knowing that it's out of the standard realm of behavior.
	And then at some point, I guess what, when you expose yourself to the world, when you start meeting other people, you start retroactively looking at your life and saying, that's weird compared to what they went through.
	And is that when this starts having a massive toll?
	Or is this just culminating?
	Because you feel something's wrong, you don't know something's wrong, and then you can put names to it.
	Yeah, I didn't understand it probably until out of college.
	I started...
	At age 10, I started doing drugs.
	I joined a skateboard gang.
	I'm looking at a picture right now of me with Tony Hawk when I'm 10. Maybe I'll pull that down in a second.
	Drugs as in smoking weed or other harder stuff?
	Smoking weed, cigarettes, drinking, on a daily basis, starting at age 10. Smoking during recess in fourth grade.
	Yeah, I was just acting out.
	I was acting out all of this...
	Psychological abuse and trauma, and I had no...
	And I learned a lot, actually, from Jordan Peterson.
	And it's like I'm not doing the damn impression.
	You know, it's like people, well, he's going to do it.
	It's like I'm not doing it.
	It's not about that.
	About the effects of divorce on kids.
	You know, divorce is almost like abortion where it's celebrated now.
	It's like, yeah, well, you know, we...
	We're not going to commit because we have the option.
	Divorce is almost like sexualized in a way.
	I found out children of divorce operate 30% lower on every plane with relationships, romantic relationships, friendships, work.
	You're at such a deficit already.
	Because there's this trauma acted out in your life.
	You've got two people at war.
	And the kids are in the middle, usually used as weapons.
	So I couldn't focus.
	I was an absolute fucking animal at age 10, starting at age 10, probably until age 18 or 20, committing crimes, which ties into a fatherless home.
	I was with my dad sometimes, but not all the time.
	And I imagine, look, if I'm going to imagine what this was like, you misbehave, you act out, you get in big trouble, I presume, and your mother is probably not too afraid, but reluctant, doesn't want to discipline you because of this relationship that you have, and so you end up getting away with it?
	Or I presume she's not disciplining you at all for this?
	Yeah, zero.
	Zero discipline.
	Zero discipline.
	I would be suspended.
	I got suspended many, many times.
	I don't know if I planned this, but it was the week before spring break or winter break.
	So I'd have a full week off for suspension and then a full week off for the holiday.
	And I would just go out and smoke and do whatever the hell I wanted.
	But the other part is divorced parents are often fighting for love and attention.
	So it's like, oh, well, I know I burnt down that treehouse, but daddy didn't punish me.
	Then you start to learn how to play your parents for full control and freedom.
	So, yeah.
	All right.
	And now let me ask this just for my own morbid curiosity.
	What was the worst thing you did as a teenager that you can recall?
	If you're comfortable sharing it, there might be things that you're too ashamed of now.
	But did you get kicked out of school?
	What sort of things did you get arrested?
	And what would be the worst thing you can think that you've done?
	Oh, yeah.
	I never got arrested, believe it or not.
	I guess that's where my acting chops came in.
	But I started a forest fire, which could have easily led to burning down my entire neighborhood.
	That was just Tuesday afternoon on my mom's birthday, and I had to sneak by her with a fire extinguisher hidden in my shirt.
	Yeah, I vandalized my school.
	I once shut down the power in my school during passing time.
	We had no windows.
	It was like a jail.
	Just crazy stuff.
	We'd go paintball people's houses every day.
	You didn't get kicked out of high school?
	I got suspended many times, but never fully kicked out.
	I mean, we were in the type of high school where teachers were sleeping with kids and stuff.
	You could get away with pretty much anything.
	All right, Matt.
	So then when do you – your breakdown then.
	So you go to university.
	What does this mental breakdown look like?
	How does it materialize?
	And more importantly, how do you deal with it?
	How do you get over it?
	Yeah, I went to college for acting.
	I was failing out of high school, and I was friends with one of the acting teachers.
	We would – I'd go to his house and drink after school.
	I probably shouldn't say this, but I'm not going to say who he was.
	Or she.
	Could have been a she.
	But anyways, this guy, he was cool, as weird as it is that he drank with teenagers.
	But I was failing out, so I took his acting class because I needed an A to get into college.
	And I took the class, and we got on stage, did some improv.
	People started laughing.
	I was like, oh, this is interesting.
	And he really...
	Encouraged me to pursue it.
	So because of this one guy, then I changed my major in college to theater and got the lead in the play.
	I did a Sam Shepard play, Barry Child.
	Played a troubled teen guy, which was fitting.
	Once I found that, I stopped drinking.
	I stopped acting out.
	Everything stopped once I had this new kind of passion where I could let all my...
	My energy out.
	And then I was dating this woman.
	And side note, I was never circumcised as a kid.
	And I always got bullied for that.
	One of my brothers was.
	My oldest brother was circumcised.
	Me and my middle brother weren't.
	And we felt like freaks.
	Our friends would bully us.
	It was just this very...
	An odd part of my life.
	And so I was so afraid to show a woman my penis that this girl I was in love with, we started dating.
	It took me like two years to get her on a date.
	We started dating.
	And I was so afraid to see my penis and make fun of me.
	And so I just wouldn't have sex with her.
	But I wouldn't tell her why.
	And I started to just spiral.
	And then she broke up with me.
	And I had a complete mental breakdown.
	And dropped out of school.
	Moved back in with my parents.
	So now I'm reliving all this childhood stuff again at age 21. And yeah, it was just one of the darkest, darkest times.
	I was just in like a dark, I was in like a coffin basically for two years.
	And then randomly met a woman in New Haven who...
	She was pitching a pilot for Comedy Central.
	She had this web series about sex ed for kids, comedy.
	And I was just making her laugh, and she goes, you should help me write this show.
	So I would drive into New York, and that slowly pulled me out of this depression.
	I would go and do some comedy writing for her, and then I was doing improv at an off-Broadway theater in Times Square.
	And that kind of...
	Got me back on track.
	Started doing stand-up, and that was 13 years ago.
	That's amazing.
	Did you finish your college degree?
	No.
	No, I never finished.
	And now, not to dive too much into it, but the two years of darkness.
	I mean, what are you doing?
	Do you have a job?
	Are you literally staying at home, not leaving?
	Oh, yeah.
	I was in bed until 2 p.m.
	I would just...
	Yeah, I was completely gone.
	So my mother, when I was a kid, when my dad left, opened a daycare.
	And so I started working in her daycare when I was eight years old.
	I would watch kids before school and after.
	I'd come home, there'd be a baby in my room and a crib.
	So I started to take care of children at eight.
	So now I'm dropped out of college, and now I'm back working at my mom's daycare, like in the middle of a mental breakdown.
	So I was back to that, like, You know, she had this full control over me, you know, because she was emotionally dependent on me.
	And in return, I would get love and laughter and stuff.
	So it was like a mosquito to a light.
	I was just back there.
	But now I'm 21. Now I'm an adult baby, basically.
	Okay.
	And then eventually get out, start doing comedy.
	You're not recording this, right?
	I just want to make sure.
	Jesus Christ!
	Did you just give me a flipping heart attack that I thought you were serious for a second?
	This is preliminary, right?
	If you could see what just went onto my chest.
	The funny thing is this.
	I watched some of your comedy.
	I watched the entire special.
	And you can tell there's a lot of truth in jest.
	And then the question is just, when does it go from truthful...
	Coping mechanisms, and I hate that word because the internet has ruined, cope harder.
	But, you know, coping mechanisms.
	You can't say the internet.
	Didn't you see the new rules today?
	You can't say the French.
	You can't say the handicap.
	And you can't say the internet.
	Interwebs.
	People of the web experience.
	What was clear to me is that there was a lot of truth to the jest that's going on in your humor, which is how you deal with it, how you internalize it, but also how you get over it.
	But I didn't know that.
	Dude, I didn't know it was this much.
	It's fascinating to understand how you now do what you do.
	You get out of this two years of suicidal ideations at any point.
	How do you get out of it for anybody?
	You meet someone and you start finding purpose in life again.
	Is there a moment where you click and when do you start going to therapy?
	Well, yeah, I mean, like the art kind of saved me because even when I was playing Mozart, when I was losing my mind, and I actually like I couldn't remember my name.
	I wasn't sleeping.
	I just it just it just spiraled.
	It's like you don't it's it's like when you experience embarrassment for the first time when you're like eight, you don't know what's happening.
	You know, I remember the first time I like started blushing in school.
	It was like you don't you don't know.
	So you don't really know what depression, what that that type of thing is until you experience it.
	And then you're not set up with the tools, really.
	So being in that play kept me...
	I had to show up.
	I was the lead in that play.
	It was a big production.
	We had the original costumes from the Broadway, the original Broadway show, and so I just had to be there.
	And so that kept me going.
	And then what got me out of it again was the same thing.
	It was back to the Jordan Peterson thing.
	You need purpose in your life.
	These people think that you're privileged if you have all this money and you don't have to work.
	That's a fucking nightmare.
	I mean, go a week without a task that you have to accomplish.
	You'll kill yourself.
	Anecdotally, family, friends, opulent, wealthy, it's a curse when you lose purpose in life.
	You can get up in the morning with all the money in the world and not have any direction, and it does lead people to...
	How could they have done it?
	They had all the stuff they had.
	They were rich.
	You know, good-looking whatever.
	Lack of purpose is itself a curse.
	Yeah, it's one of the most misleading and silly things that people still spout all the time.
	Oh, he has all this money.
	Trump's kids.
	Well, look at Biden's kids.
	The guy is suffering to the point where, you know, he's doing so much crack.
	He was sniffing Parmesan cheese off the ground.
	What are you talking about?
	A lot of people have a lot of theories as to what can cause that type of brokenness among children, and some people hypothesize it comes from issues in upbringing.
	Oh, yeah.
	I'm just going to end this on YouTube now, and we're going to carry on on Rumble.
	Everybody, the link is in there.
	You don't have to do anything, Tyler.
	I'm just going to end on YouTube, and we're going to carry on.
	Oh, my Rumble stuff's way better.
	Oh, no, no.
	And it's not about...
	No, now I'm going to start telling the truth.
	That was all a lie.
	Now I'll have to get to the real stuff.
	Everyone, and if you're watching this in an hour, go to Rumble.
	Okay, ending on YouTube.
	Now.
	Three, two, one.
	Boom shakalaka.
	So, let me ask you this.
	If I'm reading into you, it sounds like you harbor some resentment for your mother, and I'm not...
	I'm always reluctant to ask the question.
	I'm not trying to...
	Foment discord.
	Do you have hard feelings for your mother?
	Do you have resentment?
	Are you on good terms with your parents now?
	Well, yeah, resentment.
	I mean, I certainly did.
	I didn't realize what it was until I was able to recognize it.
	Of course, I have compassion for both of them.
	Being broken up with is hard.
	Being broken up with your life partner who you just had three kids with and built a house with.
	He, you know, he got my mother to move, leave her home, stayed and come to Connecticut.
	So, of course, and then I have the compassion for my father who couldn't come out.
	You know, when I think of how I was treated for not getting the vaccine, I mean, I'm still treated like a fucking diseased AIDS ridden city rat.
	I mean, people will still get up and leave the table.
	Comedians.
	And to think like, oh, I just could.
	I didn't understand.
	Wait, I can't live my life.
	This is just who I am, a guy who didn't want to get a vaccine.
	That's who I identify as.
	So I can have compassion for my dad because that's when he grew up.
	It's that type of thing where you don't rip the statue down because you have to at least understand and honor the history of it.
	So I definitely have compassion for both of them.
	But it'll get real tasty here because, well, A, my mother told me that My father would be straight again and they'd get remarried.
	So she told me that when I was probably nine years old.
	So part of my mission was to get them back together.
	So that was like number one.
	Above school, anything else, I've got to get them back together.
	They obviously didn't.
	He stayed pretty gay.
	Maybe got a little gayer, to be honest.
	He married a guy, so as gay as it gets.
	And then a couple years ago...
	My mother attempted suicide, and the only person she alerted was my father.
	So, you know, I can't break that whole thing down, but I think on the face of it, you'd probably think, well, that was probably a punishment, a payback.
	But I'm the one that found her.
	I found her in the middle of trying to kill herself four or five years ago.
	So that cycle of taking care of her happened again.
	You know, now it's like, it was the best thing that's ever happened to me.
	That's what got me into therapy when I was 30 years old.
	I've been in there every week.
	I've done EMDR.
	That is called something, the eye movement direction.
	What is the EMDR?
	Rapid eye movement.
	And that's what sometimes people, they use that to treat PTSD to try to get you to shift your thoughts from the event.
	Yeah.
	They're going to get it in the chat.
	EMDR, but it's eye movement.
	Fantastic trauma healing.
	And so, yeah, I had some really severe PTSD after that.
	I couldn't really leave the house.
	I found her trying to drown herself in a lake.
	So when I got there, she had overdosed and there was pills lined up and she was drowning.
	And so I got there to just pull her out of a lake before she drowned.
	And so I couldn't see.
	I couldn't look at water for two years.
	I would cry when I would see a pond.
	So I actually got a dog.
	I have a service dog who travels with me now.
	What kind of dog?
	He's a Labradoodle.
	Okay.
	But he identifies as a golden retriever.
	Labradoodles are there.
	He's breed fluid.
	Yeah, he's fantastic.
	So, you know.
	It's a lot.
	It's a lot.
	But what I learned from all of it, the blessing was I can't control anybody.
	It all starts with yourself.
	And this kind of spreads out to all this social justice crap where it's like you can't even control somebody in your own little bubble, right?
	My family.
	It's like I had no control over any of this shit.
	Nearly killed myself trying to control it.
	So that's the blessing.
	It set me free to now, to be able to handle the stuff that's happened over the last couple years.
	Let me ask you this.
	Like, you know, in the movies, I'm thinking Royal Tenenbaums, where there's this moment, and this is, it could only have been more catastrophic if a certain outcome had occurred as opposed to this.
	People like to, you know, they want that moment of rebirth, revelation in the movie after this happens.
	And you literally save your mother's life in what is circumstances that are the most traumatizing thing for anybody.
	You find a way to get through it.
	Does your mother find a way to get through it?
	Does it bring you closer together?
	Or does this actually just drive you further apart?
	Because how could you have done this to me?
	Let me ask her.
	Mom, can you come in here?
	I know.
	We'll give you the bath after.
	It's bath time.
	No, she survived it.
	She did continue to attempt.
	Uh, uh, suicide, but I had learned like, you can't, I can't, there's nothing I can do.
	There's nothing, you, you cannot save anybody.
	And I, luckily my older brother, uh, beautiful man, he, he had just trained as a therapist and he was able to sit me down and explain, you know, what this was.
	You can't control it.
	You know, I had been trained to protect her.
	And so that.
	That little thing probably really saved my life, too, because then I just let go.
	I stopped calling her therapist.
	I stopped asking.
	I don't even say, how are you doing anymore?
	If we talk, whatever it is.
	No, she's in really bad shape.
	She's steadily declined since then.
	Many, many suicide attempts.
	It's hard to even look at her, to be honest.
	I can last maybe...
	30-45 minutes at most being in the same room.
	But again, I can separate it now and go, that's her.
	This is me.
	This is my life.
	You can't save anybody just because they're family doesn't mean they have your best interest or you can do anything to change the path.
	And so it's really hard for me to see what's going on with these young kids with the social justice because I'm going, you're wasting your entire life trying to change something.
	Can't change.
	And you're not focusing on your own path.
	Well, so this is now one heck of a juxtaposition of your life as funny man on stage.
	And they say that, you know, those who joke the hardest cry the hardest.
	I don't know who says that, but that's something that I've always thought.
	But this is a massive juxtaposition of your personal life.
	I think Ted Bundy said that.
	That would make sense because me growing up, my mother would always familiarize me with serial killers, Charles Manson.
	I don't know why.
	It might be why I just...
	Really?
	Did she do that?
	When I used to play hooky from school, my mother was like, have you watched Reservoir Dogs?
	No, let me watch Reservoir Dogs.
	I'm an eight-year-old kid watching Reservoir Dogs in a bathtub.
	With, like, had a mirror on it, so I would reflect the TV off.
	Jesus.
	You like that?
	Do you ever see Gummo, the movie Gummo?
	I've seen Gummo, but I don't remember.
	You're like the kid eating spaghetti in the bathroom.
	Oh, you gotta, yeah, Google that scene.
	That was a long time.
	No, I saw, I mean, I used to, I grew up, I watched Hellraiser, but, you know, as younger than 10, like, that, in retrospect, it's highly inappropriate, but that might only account for some of my issues now, but this is like, and we all have issues, but there's definitely a spectrum of, you know, the severity, and this, you have.
	This is trauma, which you have now translated into comedy.
	When do you start?
	First of all, when do you start coping with it in the comedy mechanisms?
	We're going back to 21, but this all happens at the same time.
	How do you merge these two aspects, diametrically opposed emotional aspects of your life?
	Yeah, probably doing improv really helped.
	I was at Robin Williams' level of neuroses and just energy and stuff.
	Honestly, if he didn't kill himself, I probably would have stayed on that path.
	Because I'm that quick.
	And when I was doing improv, I was just like a bat out of hell.
	And then what happened was I started to see all my heroes killing themselves and dying.
	I'm going, wait a minute.
	Maybe not the way to go.
	Let me bring it down a little bit.
	Even if I'm not as exciting on stage or whatever it is.
	But having that outlet, that creative outlet, really helped.
	It was really maybe just to get the energy out.
	I'm not sure what kind of healing was happening.
	It was just so much bottled up.
	Let me just get it out.
	I was always self-conscious of being...
	I'm really short, so I'd get beat up for being short.
	How short are you, Tyler?
	You know Peter Dinklage?
	I do know Peter Dinklage.
	I make eye contact with his belly button.
	You joke.
	I guarantee you're taller than me.
	I try to pick up your height online.
	How tall are you?
	Wait, where are you?
	I'm in Florida.
	I thought you were in Europe because your time was at 1,500 hours.
	The 24-hour clock is the only way to measure time.
	If I'm giving it to you in meters and I go by my license, I'm a meter 65, but I'm 5 '5 and a half.
	A meter 65. Yeah, that's how you look taller to women.
	I have millimeters set on Tinder, so I'm about 2000, 2012 millimeters.
	And they go, ooh, you must be European.
	That's so funny.
	This is how lazy I am.
	I saw you do that with the 15, and I looked at your hair.
	I go, this guy's in Italy.
	I get Italian, Lebanese.
	Well, I'm Jewish descent, but of the cultures that I get mixed up with, I get Greek, Italian, Lebanese.
	Yeah, I'd like to see with a little espresso cup, actually.
	Let me see what I got.
	I don't have espresso, but I'm not even going to show that.
	I had an energy drink.
	Not Red Bull, people.
	No, Tyler, I'm going to get your height out of you.
	Oh, yeah.
	I want all of those websites updated.
	Five, four.
	Five, five, five.
	Yeah, dude, I knew it.
	Okay.
	And how much do you weigh?
	Whoa, bro.
	I got 20 pounds on you.
	Guarantee you on that.
	Oh, I'm like 125.
	Okay.
	I got 33 pounds on you.
	For that extra inch I've got, I've got 33 pounds.
	But then that weight's going to shrink you.
	Absolutely.
	It's going to shrink me and my feet are going to get longer and longer as I get older.
	A woman turned me down because of my height last night.
	I did a show at the Comedy Cellar.
	This woman came out.
	She's hitting on me.
	And I said, let's go out.
	And she goes, no way.
	You're too short.
	And I was like, are you fucking kidding me?
	I go, how old are you?
	She goes, I'm 30. I go, you want kids?
	Yeah.
	I'm like, you better lower the bar, the height bar, because your eggs are dying.
	And you have a 35-year-old guy in his prime who's successful.
	And I said all this to her.
	I said all of it to her.
	And she was like, shit, I guess you're right.
	But I want tall kids.
	30 years old has already made this.
	These women are fucked.
	They're so fucked.
	It's so sad because they have this standard that doesn't exist.
	They're desiring the 5% of men who are tall, successful, and those guys are fucking everybody.
	So the odds are, I'm going off track here, but anyways, I was turned down a lot as a kid for being short.
	Women would constantly be like, I'm in love with you.
	I won't date you because you're too short.
	So, that's...
	You should have moved to Canada.
	I mean, I think there's something going on between the States and Canada.
	Look, I was always small and short.
	It was a joke, but people weren't consistently six feet tall in my community, but that might be because it was the Jewish community.
	You didn't get very many six.
	There was one kid who was over six feet.
	He was always like, he was the freak.
	We were the norms.
	Oh, good.
	Yeah, I should move to Williamsburg, Hasidic Williamsburg or something.
	So when does your career start taking off in all of this?
	Sure.
	Okay.
	So, yeah, I pulled myself out of the depression.
	I'm living with a woman who's doing the show for Comedy Central who's not well mentally.
	I'm living with her and her fiancé that are in a, believe it or not, incredibly toxic and abusive relationship.
	Now I'm living with them, so I'm back in the...
	I just kept finding these where I'm the mediator.
	Who said it, Tyler?
	He said, I've been in eight abusive relationships, and the person responded said, no, you've been in one in eight different times.
	Oh, Jeffrey Epstein.
	No!
	It's like a thing of human behavior.
	You are subconsciously looking for this type of reaffirming relationship.
	Yeah, those bodies are just temporary.
	They shapeshift into whatever it is.
	However, I was around someone being creative and pitching a show to Comedy Central, which back then, Comedy Central fucking sucks now.
	But it was the mecca.
	South Park, the comedy specials, it was like...
	Whoa, I'm living with somebody who's pitching something because her videos did well on YouTube.
	That was a new concept.
	Do I know who this is, and am I allowed asking?
	Okay, you hesitate to don't.
	I don't want to get any more trouble.
	Well, I was just trying to think of the name of her thing.
	She's very sweet.
	She's very sweet.
	I don't want to shit on her.
	She gave me a free apartment in Brooklyn.
	So I started going off and doing improv and then doing stand-up at Open Mics.
	And it was brutal, as you can imagine, just the bullying.
	I came up in the time when the roasts were getting popular.
	Yeah, Lisa Lampanelli and who were the other?
	Jeff Ross, yeah.
	So the new thing to become well-known in New York was you had to be good at roasting.
	So the open mics would be, you'd go on and quite literally try to make the person that went before you cry, which would happen all the time.
	It was so sick.
	It was like, I can't.
	I can't even believe the stuff that happened.
	The cruelest shit you can imagine.
	And, you know, given we're all a bunch of comedians in our 20s, probably dealing with some deep-seated child abuse, right?
	So we're all there just adding to the stew.
	And so I tried to bring some silliness to it.
	And then this group of guys that I came up with, we were the more Andy Kaufman-esque experimental.
	And we kind of softened that a little bit.
	And that style got a little more popular.
	And yeah, I just threw my life into stand-up.
	And somebody would see me at an open mic and go, hey, I'm a manager.
	Why aren't you on SNL?
	And I'm going, why am I not on SNL?
	Why can't I pay the rent?
	Why am I at a bar at five in the morning?
	And so that started happening more and more.
	People from the industry would see me and go, you should be, why aren't you auditioning for SNL?
	How do I do that?
	And so I started working with managers and agents and doing TV commercials.
	I started making money doing that.
	Started nannying.
	So during the day, I would pick up kids from school and I would nanny.
	And then at night, I did that secretly for like six years.
	Nobody knew.
	And then, you know, I just...
	I noticed something happening.
	I did start booking TV roles.
	So, you know, booked a guest star role on Chicago Med, the Law& Order spinoff.
	Yeah, I remember that.
	Yeah, so I had a storyline, and then I booked a role in this TV show, Younger, Small Role.
	I started booking roles a lot, and I'm going, man, I think I can make a living like this.
	And then I met with Jim Carrey's manager in Los Angeles.
	And one of his junior managers was like, yeah, we've been scouting you for a long time.
	And we want to make you an offer.
	And I'm going, I'm in the bathroom.
	There's photos of Jim Carrey everywhere.
	I'm going, holy shit, this is really happening.
	And slowly, this woke, ideology, race-based hiring shit just started poisoning Hollywood.
	And things just...
	Just stopped.
	What year are we in now?
	Because I'm trying to think of when I started noticing it, but it feels like it started around 2015, if I remember correctly.
	That sounds exactly right.
	So you're trying to make it in this industry.
	Before we even get there, actually, when you're doing these gigs, are you sticking around in New York, or do you go cross-country and try to organize gigs in various cities?
	Mostly in New York, so I'm still doing the open mics.
	Maybe I'd book a couple shows occasionally.
	A lot of bar shows where comedians produce their own shows.
	But I was kind of a rare comedian where I had an acting agent.
	So I was like the actor guy.
	And I was making sketches and doing stuff on YouTube.
	So yeah, 2015 sounds about right.
	You started to hear little murmurs in the stand-up scene.
	This white guy, he can't talk about this.
	And I'm going, wait a minute.
	There's different rules for different people?
	And I'd see some black comics just really letting loose.
	I'm going, wait, I want to do that.
	I love how he just shit on everything.
	And I would try, and I'd get pushback from the crowd or comedians.
	I started to notice me and a couple other white comedians go, hey, I submitted for that job.
	They said maybe there's too many white guys.
	He goes, yeah, me too.
	That feels weird.
	And there was this couple years where we were almost like we were coming out of the closet.
	Finding support, which that's the last thing you want now is a bunch of white people getting together going, what the fuck's going on here, man?
	You know, it had this complete adverse effect, which I saw coming, which has gotten a billion times worse since then.
	But it became more open, more explicit.
	The manager I worked with under Jim Carrey basically was like, I can't do anything for you.
	Wink, wink.
	You know, he didn't say it out loud.
	And I'm not the type of person that would ever make an assumption without evidence.
	You know, he didn't say, you're white, you're out.
	I just was collecting the evidence and the logic that, you know, it's hard to find something for you.
	And the audition stopped.
	And I mean stopped completely.
	And you need to be auditioning every day.
	At least a few times a week if you want a career.
	Just to let you know, the Chicago Med guest star, which is one under the star of the show.
	The guest star is one tier under.
	I made $8,000.
	And that was the only thing I booked that year.
	So that was $8,000 for the year.
	You have to be booking these things non-stop.
	And then I had...
	Another agent scouted me and go, why aren't you on SNL?
	We gotta bring you in.
	You know, you should be on TV.
	Alright.
	So he brought me in.
	Nothing.
	And I emailed him and said, what's going on?
	And he emailed me back and I have the email.
	I've tweeted this.
	He just wrote, tough out there for white dudes.
	And then he fired me.
	He just removed me from the roster.
	What year is this?
	This was probably...
	Five years ago.
	Okay.
	Now, I know this works its way into a lawsuit somewhere, but I don't yet know how.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So that was like, holy shit, they're saying it out loud now.
	And they're not apologizing.
	And they're just going, nothing you can do.
	They can't book you.
	They have absolutely no interest in wasting time on you.
	And so they just say, thank you very much.
	I need talent that I can actually...
	Yeah, let me find the diverse Tyler, which...
	It's such a cynical thing that we've done with that word, which now essentially means non-white, even though, you know, if I'm in a room with 10 Asians, I offer the diversity.
	But kids are being trained now to think white people are not included in this diversity.
	It's so sick.
	But yeah, that's the fact of the matter is it goes from the production studios, the people that have the films, and then they tell the casting directors what they want.
	The casting directors tell the agents.
	So, the casting directors are telling the agents, stop sending me white guys.
	They're not in right now.
	They have no need for you.
	But that was crushing to get that email.
	And so, I quit acting for three years.
	Because I thought, this is the top.
	This was one of the biggest agents in the world.
	And they scouted me and they brought me in.
	And it's like, that's a pretty good feeling.
	And you're very aware that this might only happen once, ever.
	Meeting even happened.
	And so I thought – I saw it just take this unbelievable force, and I just thought there's no way I can fight that.
	I'm not trying to do the Jen Psaki circle back, but this is almost not a recreation, but mutatus mutatus of getting rejected by the girl for your fear of having to show your uncircumcised weenie.
	Here, it's like you're being told- Thanks for bringing that up again.
	I had completely let it go.
	I can see the same type of devastation.
	Here, you're being basically told you have something else that you have to hide, and I'm breaking up with you.
	Or you feel that, and you're losing the relationship that you- Absolutely.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	For things that you have no control over.
	And I understand, look, supermodels are supermodels.
	You've got to look like a supermodel to get the job.
	I understand that.
	With acting, it's far less dependent on skin color unless it's Ray Charles.
	And obviously, Jamie Foxx is going to play Ray Charles and knock it out of the park.
	You're not going to have Jim Carrey play Ray Charles.
	That's all understood.
	But to go, you can't even, we're not even going to allow you to compete for roles.
	It wasn't like, I've auditioned for thousands of things.
	Thousands.
	You know, I do voiceover as well.
	I book one out of every hundred to two hundred auditions.
	That's great for me.
	So it's not, I have no problem with rejection or, you know, like, I go, how can I get better?
	So it's not about that.
	It's about being told, you aren't even allowed to compete.
	To get a job, to make a living.
	And I just thought, this is fucking insane.
	So yeah, I absolutely crumbled.
	And what do you do?
	What do you go back?
	At this point, if you say, I can't make it here, what's your fallback?
	I'm still doing stand-up, so I'm still doing that.
	I'm running an Airbnb in my house, so I've got a house full of foreigners.
	I did that for eight years in the house I'm in right now.
	So I was nannying during the day, running the Airbnb, you know, cleaning the house, letting guests in, and then at night maybe doing a five-minute set at a bar at 2 a.m.
	That's good life experience.
	It'll give you experience for content.
	Yeah.
	And I was like, I couldn't find my privilege card for this whole time.
	I was like, I know I have it, but I couldn't find it.
	So I had to live this shitty life, you know?
	That kept me afloat, and then I started making my own videos.
	It's like, well, I'm not going to get into Hollywood.
	Comedy Central rejected me so many times, I can't even tell you.
	And so I submitted a tape to Comedy Central to do a 30-minute set.
	They rejected it, and I go, I'm just going to put it on the internet, which was not a really popular thing back then.
	It got a million views on Facebook.
	This was a joke about yoga.
	Five-minute joke about yoga.
	I just took part of that set.
	I sent the comments.
	I got a million views.
	I go, holy shit, why am I wasting my time trying to convince these cocksuckers, you know, what comedy is?
	I just had the world tell me, like, this is funny.
	And so I started producing more stuff online and started my own stand-up show.
	But I couldn't get into the comedy clubs.
	And again, it's like...
	You're not guaranteed anything.
	So I would make it happen.
	I'd start my own show in the basement of some shitty bar.
	And then COVID happened.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And I had just...
	I mean, this is like...
	This is a...
	I don't want to come off as a victim here.
	It's your life.
	You can't control it and you're telling it like it is.
	I have such a complex about that, about being told over and over white people don't have problems since I was seven.
	I still will be like, wait, you're not allowed to do this.
	You're not even allowed to sound like you had it tough.
	I'm brainwashed.
	I have to undo it.
	It is.
	And those who acknowledge that, you know, white, okay, fine, so there can be white poverty, but nonetheless, that's somehow less bad, and you're, it's somehow, you're more able to cope with it because of whatever.
	Viewing the world through identity blinders has ruined a lot of things, but we'll see if we ever come back from this abyss.
	Sure.
	COVID hits after all this.
	I know that this is going to be the biggest blessing for your career and not the biggest curse because while everyone else is stuck out of real life, you're succeeding on the internet and I presume your success exponentially goes up as of the time everyone gets locked down and is looking to the internet.
	Yeah, so it was that combined with quite literally the...
	Two things.
	One was my choice to not get the vaccine, which I never thought I would tell a soul because that's not what we do in this country.
	We don't tell people what we put in our bodies.
	Most drug addicts I know, I probably didn't even know they were doing drugs.
	That's their business.
	So when I made my choice to not get it because I had COVID and natural immunity and then was peer pressured to...
	Tell my friend circle when I'm getting the shot.
	It became like, well, when's everybody getting it?
	Everyone's just announcing, yeah, I got my appointment.
	And I remembered, I was like, oh, this is weird.
	This is personal.
	And I just kind of was like, I don't know if I'm going to get it.
	And the whole circle just looked at me like, what do you mean you're not going to get it?
	You got to do the right thing.
	And everyone kept saying that.
	Guy goes, you gotta do the right thing.
	And this whole group is like, do the right thing.
	And I was like, what is going on right now?
	What is going on?
	And that's where it all started.
	I just, you know, I had to, the comedy clubs go, we need to see your proof of vaccine.
	I said, I can't do that.
	And I had just gotten into the clubs that year.
	I won the New York's Funniest.
	And I got into a lot of the great comedy clubs in New York.
	And I just said, I can't show you the card.
	And I got eaten alive.
	Eaten alive by the comedy scene.
	You're far right.
	You're an extremist.
	Rumors started.
	You're in QAnon.
	You're racist.
	It was like every classic internet shaming word you could think of.
	But I was locked in my house, and so I would...
	Make these videos.
	And what was different was I didn't have an audience there to like boo me or whatever.
	So that was different.
	It's like, oh wait, I can just keep talking.
	And I can finish my thought, then put it out, then get the reaction.
	And it was like, I went from 3,000 followers to 100,000 on Instagram.
	It was just like an explosion.
	Yeah, that changed my life, that for sure.
	That decision to not get the vaccine.
	And when, I'll say from the life sustenance perspective, when does it become monetizable?
	When do you start making a living doing this?
	Because the views are one thing, but it has to be sustainable.
	When does it become sustainable for you?
	Sure.
	Well, at the same time, as I just started to grow a little bit, and now we'll get to the lawsuit, in comes...
	An agent or a manager that said, you know, I've been watching your stuff and we've been scouting you, which was like a bi-yearly thing.
	Someone would come and say that.
	And this time, I was like, you know, maybe the gods are with me now.
	I paid my dues and it's coming back around.
	You know, do you want to audition for Curb Your Enthusiasm?
	Do you want to do this, that?
	I go, yes, finally.
	I found someone who's going to fight for me.
	And this turned out to be the manager who then came back and said, you know, everybody loves you here, but we're no longer working with white men.
	And...
	Verbatim?
	Oh, yeah.
	And...
	It was just like...
	I've just felt insane.
	I just felt fucking insane.
	Like, I just felt like I was in the Truman Show or something, you know?
	Like, not to be so, like, well, whatever.
	So yes, verbatim.
	And I was sitting here on my podcast thing, and I go, can you say that again?
	And so I hit record on my podcast recording software.
	I said, you want to work with me, but you just won't work with me because I'm white?
	And he goes, yeah.
	And I said, is that company policy?
	And he goes...
	It is now.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it is.
	And so I got that on tape.
	And I didn't want to.
	You know, didn't feel good to do that.
	But my therapist had been training me, like, you better start recording this shit.
	Because this was happening all the time.
	Aside from agents.
	Commercials firing me.
	I got hired for commercials.
	Nope, now they want a diverse person.
	Podcasts, yeah, we're not having white guys on now.
	It was like over, so I just was ready, got it on tape, and a few months later, I got a lawyer.
	So, you know, it was a lot of this stuff.
	It was like, then that was like the pot boiling over for me.
	Like, oh, now I just, I have nothing to lose now.
	So now I'm going to say exactly what I want to say.
	I'm going to be open about this.
	I'm going to make videos to heal from it.
	And that's what I did.
	And over time, YouTube monetization helped and making cameos.
	I was doing Fauci impressions and stuff.
	It's an amazing thing to find your freedom when doors are being shut all around you.
	You ended up suing the agent?
	Yeah, it took me a while to even...
	I don't even think I told my therapist about it.
	There's still a lot of shame around this for quite a while.
	And then I finally...
	I think I went on Instagram and was like, man, this thing happened.
	It keeps happening.
	And should I sue?
	And somebody reached out and was like, hey, I'm a lawyer and my friend's a discrimination lawyer.
	Here's his email.
	I sent him the tape and he goes, dude, this is...
	This is not even a question.
	This is the most clear case of discrimination I've ever seen.
	And it's the first one, probably, regarding a white person being told.
	So my lawyer's been fantastic with this.
	And I was shocked to even...
	This is the other thing.
	I'm in a very liberal city, so when I would tell people about this, they would go, yeah, yeah, yeah, well, whitey's time to sit down.
	I mean, that was the reaction I'd get.
	Women I was dating, friends.
	Comedians.
	This is enough.
	My family.
	Nobody.
	I told my family.
	Nobody was like, are you fucking kidding me?
	Let's go down there right now.
	Nobody said you should fight this.
	Not one fucking person in my life.
	It's got to make you feel crazy.
	Like, am I crazy that I'm the only one who thinks this is crazy?
	Yeah.
	I mean, I ran in my room.
	I started punching shit.
	I just, like, I had a complete fucking meltdown.
	Because I was like, it's not like I, you know, just graduated NYU.
	It was like, you know, I deserve to be an actor.
	It was like, I was getting booked.
	I was having celebrities reach out and be like, I'm a fan of yours.
	Like, you know, Jamie Foxx DM'd me and goes, dude, you're the funny.
	I'm going like, what is it?
	I don't understand.
	And to add the literal insult to injury is that you're made to feel like an asshole.
	For thinking that this is wrong.
	Not only an asshole, racist.
	And I have the tweet.
	When I tweeted out that they wanted to settle and I wasn't willing to.
	Because if I settled, I'd have to do a non-disclosure.
	And I was like, I don't care if I don't make any money from this.
	When I tweeted that out, I had to stop reading the comments.
	And a lot of them are comedians that have known me.
	For 13 years.
	So I stopped.
	But if I went back into that and read it, I probably am working with half of those people now at the comedy clubs.
	Well, we skipped ahead a little bit, actually, to the settlement.
	So who do you sue?
	And how does it get started?
	Where is it at now?
	Yeah, the company, the name is AGI.
	It's a management company.
	And so we filed a lawsuit.
	I think they tried to get it overturned or whatever.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So that's where we're at.
	And I don't believe it's been dismissed.
	So these things can take years.
	Look, I didn't even know that there was going to be a bona fide legal angle to this today.
	I thought we were going to talk more comedy.
	But flip me the lawsuit.
	I'm going to look this over.
	I'd like to see what it says.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, you're an attorney, right?
	Oh, yeah.
	I used to do car vlogs.
	I used to sit in my car and read legal proceedings and put together hyperactive ADD 10-minute synopses, and then it morphed into live streaming, which I get much more satisfaction doing.
	Wow.
	I'd like to see what their motion to dismiss is, because it'll probably be a motion to dismiss for failure to say the claim, I presume.
	It depends on what state it's in.
	Yeah, we had the tape.
	I can't say a whole lot.
	There's not a whole lot going on, but I'm not sure they knew we had it recorded.
	So I think my lawyer gave him the transcript.
	I gave the judge the transcript.
	Did you ever publish the recording online?
	The New York Post did, so it's on the New York Post.
	I've been advised to not publish it on my own, whatever, but it is on the New York Post article.
	And the lawsuit is under your personal name versus the management company?
	Yeah, I believe so.
	Well, that's very interesting.
	I did not know that, so I'm going to go look at that, and maybe Barnes and I, my partner in crime when it comes to Sunday night streams, and we'll talk about it Sunday night.
	Sure, yeah.
	I mean, it's really, I've been trained to think that I'm not allowed to, you're just not allowed to stand up for yourself if you're not a certain skin color, which is so, it's unbelievable.
	Someone in the chat, I just went to look at the Rumble side, said, are you on Rumble?
	You have a Rumble channel, correct?
	I do, yeah.
	Everything I upload to YouTube goes right to my Rumble.
	My Rumble is not really hitting.
	It's only a matter of time.
	I'll post all the links afterwards.
	Are you on Locals as well?
	Not on Locals.
	I have a Patreon page.
	We'll fix that afterwards.
	The lawsuit is pending.
	That must make you not popular in the industry?
	Or are there people who are generally pissed, but not the ones who want to be the tip of the spear?
	No, I'm certainly hated, though I did just tell my therapist, I don't think people actually hate me because none of these people actually know me.
	And none of them have ever said, tell me about this.
	Give me the backstory.
	Has this happened before?
	Or are you just looking for attention?
	Not one person is asked to actually hear the backstory of it.
	In this age where you're supposed to sit and listen to people who are oppressed, well, it doesn't work in other directions.
	So, no, I'm, you know, I likely would have moved, I mean, to the point where, I mean, my fans are unbelievable.
	And I live in an all-black neighborhood, by the way.
	And I have so many fans in my neighborhood.
	You know, when people go, oh, your fans are probably just all white conservative.
	It's like, people are shouting, going, yo, Tyler, yo, I love what you're doing, man.
	Keep fighting.
	My fans are and what their skin color politics are.
	But there's a notion that if you're black or brown or whatever, that you would be all for this type of reverse thing.
	And it's just not true.
	I mean, I tell you, I have limited experience.
	I don't actually go out of the house very often.
	But if I'm black and I'm seeing this, I would be getting angry because it's tokenization where...
	The success, you never know if it was earned or if it was bestowed by, and I'm saying this not to be funny, but by the white man.
	The best paradigmic example is Ketanji Brown being appointed to the Supreme Court of the United States because the old white man said, we're going to have a black woman justice, and therefore I make it happen, and she's going to sit there and say, was I picked because I'm good enough or was I picked because I'm a token?
	And I feel marginalized, tokenized through this This entire process, like, merit over identity.
	And I think everybody wants that.
	And nobody knows if they're getting that.
	Yeah, there's no better feeling than going, man, I earned this.
	And not even like I was chosen or whatever.
	You know, I'm one of thousands of comics, so it's not...
	I just got into the Comedy Cellar a month ago.
	And it's been a dream to be there.
	It's one of the best comedy clubs in the world.
	But I completely accepted that it might just not happen for me there.
	And that's not going to define my career.
	But what people didn't realize is while I was getting canceled and just annihilated by comics, I was going down to Florida and I was doing stuff in a bad little comedy club in Brooklyn and I kept working.
	And then by the time I got into the comedy cellar, I think it was like people were looking at me like, oh, I thought you were just that racist guy that lost his mind.
	And I'm on stage slaughtering because I...
	I fucking love what I do.
	And the lawsuit had no effect on the stand-up or any of that stuff.
	I don't even talk about it on stage.
	No, just from an industry perspective, I can imagine agents now talking, this guy's suing us, and we're all doing the same thing, so he's putting us all under the radar, sort of.
	Other people are going to look at you and say, you're an entitled white boy who's blaming his lack of success, and I'm saying that not agreeing with him.
	I almost should have you pull up the Twitter thing and just read from it.
	If you were to send it to me, hypothetically...
	It would be fun, though.
	Send it to me.
	Some people are going to say...
	We should look through it.
	You've really tempted me to, but I don't want to get distracted.
	People are going to look at you and say...
	You're entitled, you're angry, and you're looking to blame whatever perceived lack of success on an excuse, and that's your excuse.
	Others are saying, same thing's been happening to me.
	Thank goodness someone's doing it.
	I don't want to do it because I don't want to be...
	They tell me quietly, secretly.
	Once in a while, someone will come up and go, I like, thank you.
	This just happened to me at a comedy club.
	Oh, I just lost this job because I'm white.
	I've gotten thousands of messages about it.
	It's just so silly because on the face, I'm just doing what I've been trained to do since I was a child, which is stand up for people who are oppressed, right?
	I stood up for my dad when I got bullied, you know, about him being gay.
	I had to take a lot of punches for that.
	For my mother who had mental illness issues because, you know, so I'm standing up for a mentally ill, you know, I don't want to call her mentally ill, but a woman with, you know, mental issues who's...
	A single mom now who's a business owner.
	I'm fighting for the single female mom.
	I'm fighting for XYZ group.
	And now there's 50 fucking letters on that sexuality acronym.
	And then the one time I need someone to just go, hey, how you doing?
	I didn't need anybody to publicly support me.
	But to not have anyone even go like, shit, man, I'm sorry that happened.
	Like, that's all I needed.
	That's all I needed.
	And the good thing is it revealed, you know, who are your friends and who aren't.
	So it's a net positive.
	And I still went out and made my own success.
	So I'm not blaming.
	I'm willing to say that I will not have the Hollywood career that I was on the path for.
	But I found this other thing that's actually way more fun.
	I'd say a blessing in disguise, but I don't even think it's a blessing in disguise.
	It's an overt blessing.
	Hollywood is a degenerate hellhole that you want to keep yourself and your kids out of as far away from as possible.
	That being said now, and I didn't know this until we started, well, until a little bit before the stream, did you just shoot a movie or are you currently shooting a movie with Gina Carano, the horror movie Planet?
	Terror on the Prairie.
	That came out a few months ago, so that was another bonus of kind of just doing my own thing on Instagram.
	How does that come to be?
	The wife of the producer of the movie shared one of my videos, and so then the producer saw it, and then he started watching it.
	Bonfire Legend is a production company.
	I think they were in Texas at the time.
	Now they're in Nashville.
	At this time, I was probably getting between 300 and 1,000 messages a day because I was doing videos making fun of the Vax shaming and the Fauci impression and stuff.
	And so I just kind of randomly saw this DM.
	I would go through and just pick random ones.
	And this guy said, do you want to audition for the new Gina Carano film?
	And I had just...
	I saw her on Ben Shapiro.
	I just kind of started peeking out of the woke cage I was in.
	This is a few months ago.
	This is after her cancellation for the Holocaust Instagram post.
	Right, right.
	And Ben Shapiro had her on.
	And that interview was brought to you by ExpressVPN.
	Use code Ben for 15% off.
	And so I saw that and I was like, oh shit, okay.
	I don't think what she did was...
	Even in the universe of a cancellation are being fired.
	It was really sick to see that.
	And I was like, whoa.
	I was just watching that.
	Now the guy that's doing the movies in my DMs here said, sure.
	He sent me the script.
	I, you know, this was right after that agent told me to fuck off, Whitey.
	And so I was just so fired up.
	And this was the role of this, you know, gritty post-Civil War.
	A soldier.
	Not on the right side, apparently.
	And, yeah, just this violent scene where he gets his arm blown off and he's like, you know, somebody's taking a hot iron rod and searing his wound.
	And so that was the scene.
	So I just fucking, I just went for it.
	I started improvising and, you know, tapped into that Robin Williams thing.
	And so he called me the next day and he goes, Yeah, we're going to fly out to Montana, and you got the role.
	I haven't seen it, and my apologies.
	Is there any element of comedy to this, or is this an outright horror movie?
	Or a zombie-type movie?
	No, it's a Western.
	It's like a classic Western, so it takes place in the 1800s.
	I had no idea what it's about.
	There's no element of comedy to this.
	It's not like a Zombieland-type take on the event.
	No, no.
	Comedy in the form that any...
	Tragic or suspenseful events in your life can lend to some comedy.
	People laugh at funerals in that sense.
	When you're channeling for this particular audition, I mean to say you're channeling real pain and not something that you're going to turn into comedy at the end of this, which is maybe why the performance was so authentic?
	Perhaps, yeah.
	I started classically trained in non-comedic.
	It's all the same to me.
	The dramatic and comedy acting is the same.
	It's actually just the writing.
	You shouldn't deliver it any differently.
	So it's really the writing that will allow a punchline or someone to cry or something like that.
	I think that's helpful for actors to know because people are like, I'm a dramatic actor.
	I can't do comedy or I'm a comedic actor.
	Obviously, Alec Baldwin, you didn't know he was a comedic actor and then you saw what he did on the set of Rust and it's quite a punchline.
	We were actually, our movie was filming at the same time as that.
	So I was on a horse holding a gun when the producers came over and was like, Alec Baldwin just killed a guy on a western, you know, a couple miles down the road from us.
	Let's make sure we really do this safely.
	So, yeah, it was out in Montana and I walk in and Gina Carano comes in.
	I didn't know she knew who I was and she gave me a big hug and she was like, I love your comedy.
	And I was like...
	Well, I didn't know you were watching it.
	I was like, I was just watching you on Ben Shapiro.
	And here comes Nick Searcy, famous actor, incredible guy.
	And we were buddies on Twitter DMing each other.
	I didn't even know he was an actor.
	I just thought he was some guy.
	And so by chance, there's all these people that were canceled or stood up for something all on this movie set.
	It was extraordinary.
	It was surreal.
	And we're just in the middle of the mountains, in the middle of nowhere.
	All just, you know, a very low-budget movie, but just running on fuel from being locked down for two years and canceled and silenced and all that shit.
	That's actually, like, gotta be something of a spiritual culmination.
	Setting aside the fact that Montana, from what I understand, is the most beautiful place on Earth.
	Scunning, yeah.
	Recognition for what you've gone through, coalition among people who have gone through the same thing, and you're actually making something...
	For people's enjoyment and people's consumption.
	That might be the height of fulfillment.
	Yeah, it really was.
	Is the coming down from that moment hard to deal with?
	Or is that just the new plateau and now you're invigorated for life?
	No, no.
	I've been on so many sets where it's exciting, but then I'm always on to the next thing.
	Yeah, it was hard to come down from a little bit.
	In Montana, I continued to make sketches.
	I would still film stuff in my makeup and in the trailer because my YouTube was really kind of popping off.
	So I would come home from like a 12-hour shoot and then I would film something and edit it and put it online and then work on my podcast in the trailer or whatever it was.
	So that kind of kept me going because like, oh wait, now I just did this incredible movie but now I have my...
	I'm a production company, essentially, and I can keep making the stuff I want.
	And you don't have a lot of control on a film.
	So, you know, it was a fantastic experience, but it was kind of like, shit, I wish I directed that, or I would like to direct a movie now.
	And that's sort of where I went from there was, you know, I would love to make...
	I would love to have a Woody Allen-style career, make a film a year.
	I think we're missing that.
	There's a big void right now for that kind of consistent...
	Hollywood, I mean, when I say Hollywood's a cesspool, it's also a moral cesspool.
	It's just also just put out crap.
	And I'm not saying this to like, it's a cliche.
	I have no interest in seeing any movie.
	And I grew up loving movies.
	I would go up and spend all weekend, go see multiple movies alone, sit there.
	I loved movies.
	And I stopped loving.
	Look at what, this is just my own personal experience.
	The top agents and managers in the world were scouting me, bringing me in, making me offers, and then going, We can't help you at all.
	I'm one guy.
	So how many people are out there that were just told, go fuck off?
	Shane Gillis is a great example.
	He got cast in SNL.
	He got canceled.
	For the Chinatown noodle soup joke.
	Yeah, I didn't ever even actually watch the clip.
	I got to know Shane because he was at the same clubs as I am.
	One of the funniest.
	Geez Louise.
	He's at the Comedy Cellar.
	He was on the first show I ever did there.
	On the lineup.
	And he's absolutely brilliant.
	It's comic level absurdity that someone hired as a comedian gets fired for the offensive nature of what was, I don't even care if you don't find it funny, it was intended to be a joke.
	What has to make a joke a joke is that it has to come at somebody's expense.
	People don't understand.
	The dude's slipping on the banana.
	The only reason it's funny is because the guy hurts his ass.
	Every joke comes at someone's expense and he gets fired for it.
	It was just a bad joke, but it was innocuous.
	95% of the jokes comics tell on stage are terrible.
	You're lucky if you walk away with 5%.
	But over a year, that's an hour of material.
	Yeah, it's terrible.
	Again, he would have been...
	I'd say the closest thing to a Chris Farley that that show would ever see, or a Will Ferrell.
	All this talent being rejected, obviously, they're not hiring on talent.
	Not nearly as much.
	They are sometimes.
	There's this massive void.
	That's my new mission now, is to make films.
	I'm trying to find people to do it.
	If you know anybody.
	Well, I want to pull one thing up.
	I don't know if it's no longer on the intro.
	There's a five-second ad.
	Everyone always poops on me for not getting ad block.
	Hold on one second.
	I'm only going to play the one specific clip.
	It's a 15-second unskippable ad.
	What is this crap for Wells Fargo?
	You don't have YouTube premium?
	No, and everybody says that.
	It's actually really nice.
	Oh, they're not even going to show...
	I'm not even going to get to see the good part of it.
	I'll have to find it afterwards.
	It's the Will Ferrell joke where, you know, he says, I am this close to Chris Kattan.
	I am this close to R-A-P-I-N-G-U.
	And it was a joke on SNL.
	And now people are getting canceled for Chinatown noodle jokes.
	Or for being born with...
	A certain skin color.
	And we're expected to find humor funny.
	First of all, you're self-produced a bit.
	Not your bit.
	What's it called?
	A special.
	A stand-up special.
	Yeah, what's it called?
	It's called...
	The New Normal.
	The New Normal.
	Yeah.
	What's the budget?
	What is the process for self-producing your own special?
	Well, that one, I'm proud of it.
	I wish what I...
	I don't have a...
	Touring agent.
	You really want to be able to go out and work that thing around the country for a year, two years, three years.
	That was like little bits I had worked out at a comedy club.
	I'm very proud of it, but it didn't get the real workout it could have gotten.
	I filmed it at Brooklyn Comedy Club, a great club in Williamsburg.
	They gave me the room for free.
	I took a portion of the ticket sales.
	And I pretty much paid that off from the ticket sales.
	Okay.
	The hard production costs?
	Yes.
	Yeah, three camera guys, you know, rented some lights.
	I have an awesome manager.
	His name is John Fatigate, who, by the way, was just a friend of mine.
	He's actually not a manager.
	So I hired a friend who's in production to be my manager because I can't get a manager.
	So I now work with somebody who...
	Who I know and trust.
	And just a tip for artists, you don't have to have a classic talent manager.
	You can find somebody with this new landscape of the internet who can just help you maximize whatever you're doing.
	So yeah, we filmed two shows.
	I edited the entire thing by myself, probably for two months straight.
	And it cost, yeah, $3,000 probably.
	It's fantastic.
	And the money that you make on the, I don't know if it's called the back end of the industry, but AdSense revenue, there were no sponsors for that.
	So you're getting click AdSense on YouTube.
	And do you license it or do people buy it?
	Do you have it behind a paywall somewhere?
	No, no paywall.
	I just put it out.
	Yeah, I just put it out.
	I'm going to bring this up here.
	This was comedy once upon a time.
	Is this it right here?
	Right here?
	Right here?
	This looks like you took a crap or a dump in the printer!
	You are scum!
	I can fire you and burn down your friggin' house!
	I am this close to raping you!
	It was, this is what, you know, where comedy was at one point.
	When did it go off?
	He probably improvised that, because when, as Jordan Peterson says, to be able to, you know, to be able to talk, you have to To be able to communicate, it's really just your thought.
	You can't shut down your thought.
	And that's just coming out.
	If that's what he improv'd, well, I would have some serious...
	I would be wondering what the hell is going on.
	Well, imagine now.
	Now there's like...
	Not to make overall judgments, but there's non-binary and people with all sorts of pronouns.
	And so I understand it's now a very...
	Eggshelly type of place at SNL, you know, because these are the protected classes, the protected people under the woke, new woke rules.
	And so I can't imagine the nightmare of being in the writer's room and making a joke about something that's gay or a pronoun, and it's like...
	It's going to get bad, I think.
	SNL has been unwatchable for me for an extended period of time.
	Actually, it became unwatchable right around Trump.
	It stopped being funny and it started being activism.
	Yeah, who pointed out that it really died?
	Was it Rob Schneider, who's a great guy?
	I met him at the movie premiere.
	He said once, or Jim Brewer, when Trump...
	One, and Kate McKinnon played, I forget what she played on the piano.
	And there was no punchline.
	She just cried and played this really sad song as Hillary Clinton.
	And he was like, they're done.
	Oh my god, that's...
	Sadder than Akilah, obviously.
	Akilah, obviously, is a montage of what we thought she would win.
	Holy...
	Oh, my goodness.
	You've been in the industry for a long time.
	Yeah.
	Did Trump kill the comedy of half of society?
	Like, did he break people's brains that they could no longer laugh at themselves?
	Or were they always just incapable of ultimately laughing at themselves, and this just revealed the righteousness?
	Like, I don't know which way to view it.
	No, I don't think he really affected it.
	If anything, the media's portrayal of the doomsday of Trump, maybe they extended the umbrella of what was offensive or right-wing or extreme, and that's just getting bigger and bigger.
	But the reality is most 90% are in the middle.
	So those are the people that come to the comedy clubs.
	They're typically not ideologue types of people.
	I make fun of everything, and it works pretty well at the Comedy Cellar.
	And people from around the world are coming there and around the country.
	So I always say, I recommend to people, don't say, you can't say this anymore.
	Just say it.
	You may have to pay a price a little bit, but we have to get back to not preceding every statement with, you can't say this anymore.
	And then, of course, you're going to say it anyways.
	We've got to cut that first part out and just get back to just saying shit.
	Have you had bad reactions?
	I mean, you are edgy and you're offensive.
	And I think that, unfortunately, is what makes a lot of humor humor when it's done properly.
	But have you had anybody scream out, run this, what is it called?
	Charge the stage?
	No, no.
	Because I don't consider it edgy or offensive.
	If somebody finds it offensive, again, now the...
	The fault is to go, well, oh, that's an offensive joke.
	Because one douchebag found it offensive doesn't mean it's actually offensive.
	You just go, oh, one person found it offensive and 90 laughed at it.
	So the joke stays and I don't change it.
	No, no, I've had no problems.
	And I make fun of everything.
	I talk about all this stuff.
	I was looking to see if I've missed any questions in the locals community.
	So what are you working on now?
	And what's the plan for short to long term?
	Well, I'd love to pitch a movie.
	I wrote a couple ideas that I threw over to The Daily Wire.
	I don't know if that's going to be the place they land or not.
	I would have a hard time giving up control or having limits on what I can or can't joke about.
	Not to say that that was their feedback.
	They haven't given any feedback on it.
	Do I dare ask?
	Are you following the Crowder Daily Wire fight?
	Have you chimed in on it publicly?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Jordan, me as Jordan Peterson had a reaction video that you shared.
	I think that's how we met.
	First of all, Thank you.
	You reminded me of my other question.
	Other than humorous takes, I don't want to get anyone in trouble.
	I've watched Crowder before.
	I've enjoyed his show.
	I love Dave Landau.
	We're more of texting buddies because he doesn't live in New York anymore.
	Daily Wire gave me a movie.
	I'm not going to take a side or shoot on anybody.
	My way of joking about it was Was Jordan Peterson reading the clause in the contract about cleaning his damn room or he gets fined a million dollars?
	That's kind of the area I like to play in.
	It was genius because it does, to some extent, not legitimize, but it does explain where Crowder's anger is coming from, but then it also does make fun of it.
	It's a perfect sort of humorous characterization of both sides of the debate.
	It doesn't have to be...
	Quite as toxic as it has become, but when did you discover that you could do impersonations?
	Is this an acquired skill or is this innate and you only have a certain range of who you can do?
	Well, you know, depends on what you mean by discover.
	It's like, well, you know, probably 10 years old.
	I'm cuddling with my mom in bed, you know.
	I used to do impression of my teachers.
	They would leave to use the bathroom.
	You know, I had a Latin teacher.
	She had like a change of clothes.
	I put her outfit on and she came back and I was just teaching the class as her, like in her high heels and in her...
	She may have hit me, to be honest.
	I think grabbed my ear, something that I repressed.
	Yeah, I think it was just always imitating.
	That's what me and my brothers probably did to kind of cope with all that shit.
	And then I played George Bush in a play called Stuff Happens in College.
	They're just like, I looked so young.
	There was just no role for me.
	And I was like, I think you got to choose what you auditioned for in college.
	You get to pick.
	So I just went in the mirror.
	I was like, strategery.
	It's a war on terror.
	And I went in and read as George Bush and everyone started laughing.
	And I got cast as George Bush.
	I played George Bush in this great play that I think was in London.
	I don't know if it's a muscle that...
	Anybody can train.
	Something's amazing.
	You flex your voice, your facial pattern.
	Do you have to study somebody extensively to do it, or if it clicks, it clicks?
	Yeah.
	If you can get one or two things, like Bill Burr, if you just do the Boston accent and take a hit of a joint and go, well, that shit's really fucked up, right?
	No, it's brutal.
	And you're just kind of exhaling as you talk, right?
	You just let the smoke out, right?
	This feminist bitch.
	But it's probably, you know, I think it's because since we got so psychological, like paying such close attention to my mom and her needs and her body language.
	So I think I mimic people by accident because I would always be mimicking her emotions.
	And so that's one of those blessings out of that like really awful experience is I can kind of tap into that really quick.
	It's not just on point.
	Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson were amazing.
	I've told you do other great ones, which I haven't seen yet.
	I've got to read three chats from the locals community.
	One says, YTF, which I think that means Y the F. Is Tyler still living in New York?
	Does he not realize there is more freedom and less taxes in other parts of the USA?
	Florida in particular.
	Do the math.
	The great state of Florida.
	That was from USA Now, and there's a meme of this guy saying, that crying meme.
	USA Now says, 15 minutes in and I need therapy from hearing this story.
	And there's a guy from Family Feud.
	What's his name?
	Mustache guy.
	Oh, Steve Harvey?
	Steve Harvey.
	And then USA Now says, I'm an outlier.
	Lack of purpose in life.
	Not an issue for me.
	Never was.
	Not only never a nightmare.
	Probably raised properly.
	Some of the jokes in the special, the priest committing suicide at the altar.
	I won't ruin the punchline, people.
	I was going to do something in Jordan Peterson.
	You're going to have to go, but I can't do more.
	That's pretty good.
	I'm doing a better imitation of you imitating Jordan Peterson.
	You make a joke about a priest committing suicide at the altar, and I DM'd you when we're doing this, and I was like, is that true?
	Because I don't want to ask these questions.
	That's a true story that you work into a gig.
	That you work into a bit of a gig.
	Tell the story.
	You have to tell the story.
	How traumatizing is that as an event as a child?
	Yeah.
	My priest, when I think I was eight, he blew his brains out.
	At the altar, not on a Sunday.
	I always have to clear that up because I think people imagine him being like, and John went to Jezak.
	He got mad about the communion wafers being stale and killed himself.
	But yeah, no, he killed himself.
	And it was one of those things, again, like you're eight, you can't really, you're not even really conceptualizing death.
	And you're like, oh, somebody killed themselves.
	What kind of shit was he doing?
	So I think I tried to figure that out.
	Like, what?
	What led to that?
	I would always try to figure that out.
	And that leads to where the punchline of that joke.
	You'll have to watch The New Normal.
	You're going to have to watch it.
	It is The New Normal on YouTube.
	Tyler, I think we've gone places that I didn't think we were going to go.
	Yeah, you sick fuck.
	In depth that I didn't think we were going to get into.
	Did I miss anything?
	Did we not get to any aspect of your life that you...
	You would have wanted me to ask about it.
	No, I don't think so.
	It'll all come out in my, you know, the next batch of drama will have to come out in my next special.
	This is a real question.
	This is a coping and sort of, this is how you deal with it.
	This is how you get through it.
	And this is how you, do you appreciate or take solace in the fact that the method and your manner of dealing with it and addressing it is going to help other people?
	Like, does that cross your mind?
	Yeah, yeah, I get a lot.
	You know, one thing I didn't anticipate, I think, mostly because when people discovered me was from making fun of the COVID lockdowns and the forced vaccines and all this stuff that I didn't even know that I was against.
	You know, I didn't realize that.
	So, you know, it is interesting.
	When I do shows, the fans that come up after, a lot of them are like, hey, I lost my job.
	You know, I just met a guy who...
	His daughter killed herself because of the lockdowns because she kind of lost her life, you know, 16 years old.
	So, like, I'm hearing painstaking stories all the time.
	And it is, yeah, it's a crazy feeling to have someone say, hey, you know, thanks for just having me laugh, but I'm just paying it forward.
	What I learned from Jordan Peterson, I'm essentially putting in the comedic form, and then, you know, I'll see somebody else speak up and I'll do it.
	And so...
	It's just all kind of a ripple effect.
	How long have you been listening to Jordan Peterson for?
	Honestly, it was probably when I started losing all these jobs for being white.
	I saw a video that said white privilege is a lie or something like that.
	I had never heard anyone say it's not okay to discriminate against white people.
	I couldn't believe how much I needed to hear that.
	I needed to hear someone be like, You need to be a man.
	Because this woke kind of feminism stuff in New York, I would go on dates with women and they would shame me for opening the door.
	And I'm like, I don't know what to do anymore.
	I don't know how to fucking operate.
	And he started to help me get that in line.
	And my success has just gone up and up ever since discovering him.
	So it's been about five years.
	And then he really helped me disconnect from my family and my mom.
	It's very interesting.
	I can imagine people in the chat might be thinking that it almost sounds cold to say, I can't help my mother, and everyone's reflexively thinking, you have to do everything you possibly can.
	But I think not everybody appreciates you can't help someone who doesn't want to help themselves, and all that they can end up doing is taking everyone down around them with them.
	Absolutely.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, my family really, it was already pretty fractured, but that certainly left quite a mark.
	I would say try to have a life and career and then always be trying to keep your mother from committing suicide.
	Do that for a year and see where you come out.
	If I may ask, also, where's your dad now?
	And what's your relationship with your dad like now?
	He's in Connecticut.
	Yeah, I mean, I didn't see him during COVID.
	I wasn't allowed inside because I wasn't vaccinated.
	I wasn't willing to get tests and stuff.
	I just went home for Christmas and we exchanged gifts and stuff.
	The biggest thing I learned is you create your damn family when you're an adult.
	Whatever you create, that's your family.
	Everybody else are relatives.
	You don't owe your family a damn thing if you're not getting your basic needs met.
	I can't think of a...
	On a more poignant note to end, Tyler, I'm going to put all the links up in the pinned comment.
	I'm also going to...
	Don't put any of this on the internet.
	I'm also sending you a number right after this.
	Start Locals.
	Start a Locals account.
	And the way you can put certain things behind paywalls for a certain point for people who would be more than happy to support you in your endeavors.
	Great, yeah.
	Let me think.
	So other than that, where can people find you?
	You can find me, let's see, Ty the Fish is on the screen.
	That's on the screen there, right?
	So that's Twitter, Instagram, YouTube.
	That's everything.
	And Patreon.com slash TylerTalks until you get me over to switch to locals.
	Yeah, I'm doing an hour show in Brooklyn, New York on February 1st.
	That's on TylerFisher.com.
	And then I'm at the Comedy Cellar pretty much every night.
	And then I'm trying to tour.
	I'm trying to get an agent.
	Be able to tour and really meet everybody.
	Well, if you make it down to Florida...
	The great state of Florida.
	The great state of Florida.
	It's amazing.
	It's amazing.
	Let me just make sure, last minute, did I miss anything here?
	Oh, sign my email list at tylerfisher.com because then that's how I let everybody know where I'm touring and I know where to go.
	That helps a lot.
	Oh, dude.
	We'll talk a few minutes offline.
	Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
	Okay, amazing.
	Tyler?
	Thanks so much to you.
	Great, man.
	I know you were short because you're so nice and happy.
	This guy's short.
	You know what?
	I never thought I was this short until I came to America.
	I was short, but I was always able to run fast and be strong.
	Being short in wrestling is actually sort of a...
	An asset, not a liability.
	Yeah, I know.
	When I'm wrestling women, I always find that to be the case.
	Well, dude, if you had 125, you would kick ass in your weight class.
	You'd have a minimal depth of class.
	Tyler, you're amazing.
	Thanks for having me.
	Thank you for coming.
	I'm glad we got this at the last minute.
	Everyone in the chat, thank you for being here.
	You know where to find Tyler.
	Tyler, you stick around.
	We'll say our proper goodbyes afterwards.
	Everyone, have a good weekend.
	See you Sunday.
	Thanks for watching.

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