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Sept. 28, 2022 - Viva & Barnes
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Sidebar with "Rich Dad Poor Dad" Author, Robert Kiyosaki! Viva & Barnes LIVE!
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FEMA Administrator Criswell said today that she acknowledged concerns that Florida, as we said, lacks response to the storm so far.
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Give me a break.
That is nonsense.
Stop politicizing, okay?
Stop it.
We declared a state of emergency when this thing wasn't even formed.
We've had people in here.
You've had counties doing.
They've done a lot of hard work.
And honestly, you're trying to attack me, I get.
But, like, you're attacking these other people who've worked very hard.
And so that's just totally false.
I don't think we've ever, certainly since I've been governor, declared a state emergency this early.
We made sure that we were very inclusive with it.
We said that there was a lot of uncertainty.
And we've worked to make sure the preparations that have been done and all the stuff.
To the people at the counties when they've needed something, stuff gets there very quickly because of what Kevin and his team have done.
I'll tell you one thing.
Love him or hate him, you've got to love DeSantis.
Good evening, people.
This is now day two of Hurricane Ian.
It's making landfall up north, and we're keeping up with the news.
It's going up.
The West Coast in the Gulf and making landing in the mainland near Tallahassee, I want to say.
And it's pretty serious, but my goodness.
The politicizing of this hurricane.
I guess everything is political and politics ruins everything.
I'm wearing the wrong shirt tonight.
I actually wanted to start off with this video of DeSantis.
To show what it's like when someone can deliver a message with a plan in a manner that is convincing, reassuring in times of crisis.
This is a major, major storm.
He talks slowly.
He's not manic and frantic, fumbling his words.
And yes, I'm making self-deprecating jokes here.
Listen to this.
Something that we knew was going to be significant, that the strengthening of this over the last night, you know, has been has been really, really significant.
It's potentially that it could that it could make landfall as a category five.
But clearly, this is a very powerful major hurricane that's going to have major impacts, both on impact and southwest Florida.
But then as it continues to work through the state, it is going to have major, major impacts.
Identifying a problem.
In terms of rain, in terms of flooding.
So this is going to be a nasty, nasty day, two days.
Probably we think now it will be exiting the peninsula sometime on Thursday, yesterday, based on how fast it was going.
We thought maybe it would be until the wee hours of Friday morning.
So this is going to be a rough stretch.
We're here to respond to the areas that are affected once the storm has passed.
Local emergency responders are standing by ready to go.
I think most people heeded the warnings of doing the evacuations in those very sensitive locations, but not everyone may have done that.
And so we understand that a storm of this magnitude, there's going to be a need to begin those rescue efforts apace.
It is reassuring, identifying a problem, setting out the solutions, and also setting out the expectations.
Now, we'll see what's going on following it.
There's live footage, and my goodness, it's interesting.
It's interesting to watch this from the perspective of being in Florida, first hurricane I've ever lived through.
The idea that people have to pack up their homes, board up their windows, and evacuate, and hope that they come back to something.
It's...
It's an eye-opening experience.
Now, with that said, people, everyone's wishing the best, and we'll see how it turns out in Florida.
Tonight is going to be an amazing one.
You may know our guest for tonight, Robert Kiyosaki.
You may know him best as the author of Rich Dad, Poor Dad, but I've been doing my homework, and I've been listening to interviews.
There's much more depth.
Maybe I just didn't know it because I'm a bit of a boob myself, but...
There's much more depth to Robert, and it's going to be a fascinating and phenomenal discussion.
I see everyone's in the backdrop, in the backstage, so I'm going to...
I'll bring in Robert first.
Robert Barnes, who's in the house.
Robert, how are you doing, sir?
Good.
And now I'm going to bring in Robert Kiyosaki.
I'm going to bring you in here, and I'm going to put myself on the bottom.
Robert, how are you doing?
How are you doing, Mr. Barnes?
How are you?
Good, good.
Really good.
Thanks, Rob.
I love this, so thank you.
Thank you.
It's phenomenal.
I've been spending the better part of the day learning about you, watching some interviews.
Robert, I mean, everyone watching is going to know you, I guess, first and foremost, from the book Rich Dad, Poor Dad, which is phenomenal.
Everybody should read it.
I got a bit of a head start because my dad, way back when, gave me the exact same lessons, Robert, the difference between assets and liabilities.
For anybody who doesn't know who you are, give us the 30,000-foot overview before we get into it.
Well, let me adjust my little camera here.
Well, anyway, thank you.
It's an honor to be anything to do with Mr. Barnes here.
My opening question would be, how are we doing in the Second Civil War?
Do you know what I mean?
I think this time, you and I, we are fighting for our freedoms.
Yes.
And we're fighting for our freedom.
From the Marxist academic left.
And so my background kind of begins with this whole battle, is that in 1965, I graduated from high school from Hilo, Hawaii.
Not a very smart kid, but I got nominations to Naval Academy, U.S. Merchant Marine Academy.
And I took the U.S. Merchant Marine Academy in Kings Point, New York.
And in 1965, my economics teacher had me read Karl Marx.
He had me read the Communist Manifesto, quotes from Stalin, Lenin, and Mao and Hitler.
And so I was 18 years old.
I'm going, holy mackerel, most of my family are Marxists, but they don't know it.
So here we are, Mr. Barnes.
We're fighting for the Second Civil War.
This time we're fighting for our freedom from being enslaved by Marxist academic left.
And that's why I wrote Rich Dad, Poor Dad back in 1997, because the way you fight communism is with capitalism, financial education.
So Rich Dad, Poor Dad is a very basic primer on financial education.
And as you know, every time I ask audiences, what does school teach you about money?
They go, nothing.
And we wonder why we have this growing gap between rich and poor.
So we don't solve the gap by printing money, as you know.
It only makes the gap worse.
And today, we're in an emergency.
You know, the BRICS nations, Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa, they're kicking our asses.
And the war in the Ukraine is not really the Ukraine, it's Russia and China and Saudi Arabia, because of 1974.
We were a petrodollar country, but then as soon as we left Afghanistan, thanks to Biden, Saudi Arabia joined forces with China.
So we're screwed right now.
And then the academic left inside America, you know, when I read the Communist Manifesto, Marxism would come to America in two stages.
So stage one happened in 1930 when The Berlin School sent teachers to Columbia University Teachers College.
And as you may remember, that's when the rioting in Columbia started and all this.
And the rioting spread all across America to Kent State where we killed four kids.
So I go to Vietnam as a marine helicopter pilot.
Went down three times.
And what did I get when I came back?
I got spit on.
Hit with eggs by those UC Berkeley kids.
So back in 1972, I saw Marxist-Communist manifestos coming in place.
And then as you work on in 2020, when my friend Donald Trump, he and I wrote two books together, when he lost the election, stage two of Marxist prediction had come true.
So that's basically who I am.
I'm still a Marine helicopter pilot, not the brightest mind, not the brightest match in a box, but I like to fight.
I mean, what's extraordinary is, I mean, we talked about it at some conferences that we were both at.
The extraordinary massive spending that the West went on during the pandemic.
Just printing, printing, printing, printing, printing.
We saw today the UK has all kinds of problems.
They're trying to bail out pension funds.
They're trying to bail out their currency.
All the rest.
Have you been surprised at how there's been not enough public discussion that printing that amount of money was going to create an inflationary crisis and disproportionately hurt ordinary working people around the West?
Well, again, in 1848 when Marx wrote He and Engels published The Communist Manifesto, 1848.
Everybody should read that book because you'll see that our colleges and universities are Marxist.
Do you know what happened in 1930 when the Frankfurt School sent teachers to Texas, mainly to Columbia University, who my friend Dennis Prager calls a communist place anyway?
Communism says spreading through academics.
And my poor dad was the head of education for the state of Hawaii, PhD.
Good man.
But he had no idea he had Marxist tendencies.
You know, he belonged to a labor union.
So in 1969, when I graduated from Kings Point, I was being paid about $45,000, $47,000 a year, which was pretty good in 1969 for a 22-year-old kid.
But my classmates were making $120,000 a year.
So in 1969, for a 22-year-old kid to make $120,000 a year was good money back then.
Not much today, but good money back then.
And the difference in pay scale was I refused to join the labor union.
I just refused.
And I'm not against labor unions, but it's a personal coach.
As Mark said, workers of the world unite.
And today, we have the NEA.
National Extortion Association, the most powerful, richest union in America.
And we wonder why we have communism spreading through our schools.
It's tragic.
And that's why, you know, I'm so, I am honored.
I thank you for your fight because we have to fight back.
And I fight with financial education.
That's all I'm doing.
You served in Vietnam for how many years?
I was six years a Marine, four years at the Academy, two tours in Vietnam.
And that, I mean, in a couple of the interviews I was listening to, that, I guess, had an impact on you in a number of ways, but one of which was seeing communism, fighting communism, and now what you perceive to be or what many feel to be a rise.
If it's not communism per se, it's certainly communistic in tendency in America.
I mean, how did that experience shape you at the time versus retrospectively what you make of that experience now?
Well, people may not know.
Look, again, as I said, when Biden took us out of Afghanistan, that was Vietnam all over again.
Because that was 2020, I believe.
And then the petrodollar, Saudi Arabia, joined Russia.
So the U.S. was a petrodollar up until then.
But the thing I saw, which was sad, is we have to shoot kids.
And if you shoot a kid, your guts go out.
But we have to do it to fight.
But the worst thing of all was I would watch Walter Cronkite on CBS Evening News, and he'd be describing battles that I had fought in, like Quang Tree and Wei and all this stuff.
We lost so many guys.
You know, some of my friends didn't come back.
But Walter Cronkite, I'm sure, is a good man.
But what he reported wasn't the truth.
And so that's when I got suspicious.
You know, as Stalin said also, is that he talked about the press was essential for them.
And as you can see tonight, you know, my friend Donald Trump says fake news.
He's not too far off.
But I saw it in Vietnam because I was in those battles.
But all they show is the atrocities that we did.
To turn the public against us.
What they don't know is the atrocities they did to us.
And they never reported that side.
And when you lose a friend and all this stuff, it seconds you.
So when I came back to the States in 73, January 10th, 1973, and I got hit by eggs and spit on by these hippies from the Woodstock generation, I knew America had changed.
Were you...
When you set out to write Rich Dad, Poor Dad, what did you expect the reaction to be?
And were you surprised at how extraordinarily popular the book became and remains today?
Mr. Barnes, guess who turned the book down?
I got trashed by the editors out of New York.
They turned my book down, turned it down, and their comments were, you don't know what you're talking about.
And so finally, I had to self-publish it.
And so I printed 1,000 books, and I put it in my friend's gas station in Austin, Texas.
And he says, if those books don't sell, you're getting them back.
So about two weeks later, they were still sitting there, 12 books, you know.
And then one day, a book disappeared, and then all the books were gone.
I said, what happened?
So I called my friend who owned the gas station or this car wash.
He goes, yeah, I'm not going to sell anymore.
That was too nerve-wracking for me.
I don't like inventory.
I said, but I wasn't charging for them.
But anyway, the people that picked it up were Amway.
And, you know, I love Amway because they teach people to be capitalists.
You know, knock on doors, take rejection.
Build a business and all that.
That's pure capitalism.
That the average person, mom and pop, for a little money, just a little sweat equity, can build it.
But when Trump and I got together, it was because he and I were the only guys recommending network marketing.
Because we're both capitalists.
We wrote two books together, Why We Want You to Be Rich, and Midas Touch.
But we endorsed network marketing because, to me, that is a low-cost entryway.
Into our world of capitalism.
So that was it.
I love Amway.
I love network marketing.
I think we should teach more people to be capitalists.
Not expect a handout from the government.
Robert, you want to go for something?
Robert, I'll just do this.
People don't know, who may not know.
Born in Hawaii, both your parents are Japanese and your rich dad was Chinese.
Now we're getting racist here.
First of all, I'm reading some of the chat.
There's a lot of jokes in the chat that came before this.
But I guess my question is this.
How many generations American and what was growing up in Hawaii like?
Because I know how you feel about it now, but we need to get to how you feel about it now based on your life experience there.
Well, I think it was a blessing.
My aunt came over, I think, on the first boat from Japan.
So I'm fourth generation Japanese American.
But also what happened in my background is after Pearl Harbor, you know, the Japanese weren't that popular in Hawaii.
And what they did, not that I blame them, but they rounded up my family in California and put them in concentration camps.
They took all their land, their properties, their businesses.
They just took everything from them.
But this is what pisses me off about, what is that called?
Reparations or something like that they want to do.
All I did with my family is their kids were inspired to go fight in World War II.
We didn't want to get paid for reparations.
We didn't care.
I mean, we did care that our family was locked up.
So that was when they formed the 442nd Infantry Battalion, all Japanese.
And American-Japanese, my uncles and aunts, I mean my uncles primarily, wanted to prove we were Americans.
And interestingly enough, I had three uncles fight in Europe, all the way up from Africa, all the way up north.
And then two uncles fought against the Japanese in the Pacific.
But my uncle, on one side, he got a...
Bronze Star.
There was Senator Daniel Inouye who was part of that background.
That's how I got my congressional appointments.
You know, Daniel Inouye was a friend of the family.
He lost his arm and all the Medal of Honor, I believe.
But our family fought back.
And one of the first things they did was they liberated one of the concentration camps in Germany.
So it was kind of full circle.
Their family was still locked up in concentration camps, but they got to liberate on the other side of Europe, the prisoners there.
So that's the difference in the spirit of capitalism.
You know, I'm a Marine, and we're taught Marines don't start fights, we end them.
Now, how did you get into real estate?
Well, when I came back from Vietnam, my poor dad was a PhD, went to Stanford, Northwestern, New York, Chicago.
A good man.
But as I say, he didn't know he was a Marxist.
He didn't like labor unions.
He thought, you know, this should pay people not to work and all this stuff.
And I asked my rich dad, what should I do?
And he says, well, become an entrepreneur.
I went, holy mackerel.
And then I asked my poor dad, he says, why don't you fly for the airlines?
Because I was a pilot already.
I said, I've done that.
I don't want to do that anymore.
So when I said, how to become an entrepreneur, my rich dad said to me, there's two things you have to learn.
Number one is how to sell.
And that's why I love network marketing.
You have to sell.
You have to knock on doors, take rejection.
It's called grow up.
And the second thing I had to learn was real estate.
And I asked my rich dad why.
He says, because, as you know, in 1913, the Fed was created.
Also in 1913, the IRS was created.
And Biden just appointed 87,000 new IRS agents.
If that isn't Gestapo time, I don't know what it is.
But I'll show you a copy of my friend's book.
Here's my account, Tax-Free Wealth.
So what rich dad teaches is how to make millions of dollars and pay no taxes legally.
You know, when people ask me, aren't you afraid of the IRS?
I say, well, sure, everybody is.
And I have no plans on dancing to a hula for a boyfriend in jail.
But you can, American capitalism is still here.
So that's when they do the 1619 Project.
You know, America was not founded as a slave nation.
America was founded in 1773 with the Boston Tea Party.
We revolted against Mother England's taxes.
And as you know, England just took a tank.
Japan's going to go next.
Sri Lanka's gone because of the Federal Reserve and IRS.
Robert, this is the question.
Very smart people, well, many years ago were saying printing this amount of money is going to be a problem.
Raising interest rates is going to cause a recession.
And yet, oh, it's going to cause inflation.
The inflation is not transitory.
There's this concept called fractal wrongness where every decision that somebody makes at any stage is wrong.
And fractal wrongness typically goes beyond randomness.
People ultimately conclude it has to be calculated.
When you're looking at what's going on now, smart people like you, like the other Robert Barnes, and other economists, they say, this is a massive problem, it's going to lead to this, and then it happens and they still do it anyhow and they continue to do it.
What do you make of it?
And how do you make sense of it?
And then we'll get into how you protect yourself against it.
But what do you make of it?
Well, I think one of the most important things is where I first came across Robert Brown through George Gammon.
And then we stand on the stage and put our lives at risk in many ways.
But we speak to like-minded human beings.
And we need to fight back.
I am a Marine and we fight back.
But as a...
There was a book called The Alchemist, and it said the trouble with people is they believe what they want to hear.
So if you tell them that hard work is the way, you're about as popular as fleas in the bed.
But if you tell them to give you free money, you're a popular dude, man.
I'll vote for you.
And now we're screwed.
What was it like, given his reputation as being constantly attacked by the institutional media, what was it like to work with Donald Trump?
One of the greatest experiences of my life, because I knew him as the Donald, because we were real estate guys.
We traveled the world talking to mass real estate audiences.
And then around 2015, I do a Rich Dad Radio podcast.
And he and I were supposed to write our third book together.
And on Rich Dad Radio, he announces, Robert, we can't do the third book because I'm going to run for president.
And I said, good luck, my friend.
And I'll just say this much about him.
There's no two Donald Trumps.
And the other thing, too, his young men, his sons, Don Jr. and Eric, they're great young men.
You know, I'm a hunter.
Those boys are hunters.
Donald's a golfer.
We've spent weeks on deserted beaches with no water, no toilets, hunting and fishing, catching, catching what we do.
And every place I went with those guys, these two young men would walk in back to whatever restaurant we were in, and they would say hello to the staff.
They always said hello.
To the staff.
Now look at Hunter Biden, that criminal.
Anyway, but we won't get into that.
But one time, this is where Donald's character comes in.
I think I was in San Francisco at Moscone.
We had 65,000 in the audience.
And I used, you know, Leona Helmsley's term, little people.
Trump came up on stage in front of 65,000 people.
They had me in the show, and he says, Never use that term again.
It's disrespectful.
So those are my personal experiences of Donald plus his two sons and their fine young men as compared to that criminal hunter where they can't seem to find their computer for some reason.
Robert, I don't want to put the juju out in the universe, but have you had any problems with...
I don't know.
Intelligence agencies or Department of Justice coming after you that they've been going after a lot of Trump's allies?
Have you had any run-ins?
Yeah, not only that.
I get taken down from YouTube and all that.
Don Jr. and Eric and I were doing a podcast.
They took it down.
That's why, Mr. Barnes, I said, this time, this is the second civil war and we're fighting for our freedom now.
Exactly.
I was amazed when I was in your house, all the different animals that you've hunted over the years.
When did you first get into hunting, and what are some of the highlights of your experience?
Because it's something that's under cultural attack, that somehow now it's a bad thing to do hunting.
And one of the things that Don Jr. is also great at doing.
But I was amazed at the diversity of animals that you had successfully hunted.
When did you first get into that, and what are some of the highlights?
Well, I'm a Marine, you know, and I hate to say this.
When I was 16 years old, I was picking pineapples on the island of Molokai because my dad and my rich dad was my best friend's father, who was Chinese.
And that's the joke is poor dad was Japanese and rich dad was Chinese.
So I'm accused of being a racist now.
But anyway, I was picking pineapple.
I'm 16 years old.
And I'm in this little sugar, little pineapple town in Molokai.
And there was no girls.
So this one guy shows up, a local guy with a girlfriend, with a short skirt on.
And so you know how they used to have the old theaters where you walked up into the balcony?
So as she's walking up the stairs, all of us are trying to look up her skirt.
And the next thing you know, I got a barrel of a gun in my forehead.
And he says, you keep looking and blow your fucking brains out.
Robert, it was the biggest rush of my life.
I said, I'm going to become a Marine.
It's the ultimate sport, manhunting men.
It's the ultimate sport.
And so that's why I had a choice of joining the Air Force, flying for them, Navy, Coast Guard.
This is after I graduated.
I was already commissioned.
And the Coast Guard gets up there and say, our pilot saved lives.
And the Marine recruiter stood up there and he says, the Navy guys talked about, you know, they hit carriers.
The Air Force talked about the golf courses they build.
So then when the Coast Guard guy says, we saved lives, the Marine stood up and he says, listen, sweethearts, be really clear on something.
Marines travel to faraway places, meet nice people, and we killed them.
You want to save people's lives?
Join the Coast Guard.
So there was only 12 of us out of maybe 600 guys that stood in front of the Marine Corps.
And my logic was, if you're going to go to war, go with people who want to kill.
Do you know what I mean?
I don't want to draft dodgers in my group and all.
I mean, they can draft us freedom of speech.
But if you're going to go to war, you want to go to war with people who want to fight.
And that's why I'm always, you know, when George Gavin put us together and all this, Mr. Barnes, it's like, we're here to fight.
And so that's why Rich Dad Poor Dad, 97, created my cash flow board game.
We have to teach capitalism at home because of schools that teach Marxism at school.
Sing, Robert.
Now, you strike me as being a character that was not included in Full Metal Jacket with these anecdotes.
The character that didn't make the final cut but should have made the final cut.
Rich Dad, Poor Dad.
And by the way, you know what?
We'll do it right now.
We're going to go over to Rumble.
I'm going to wind it down here so we can go exclusive to Rumble.
I don't know how much edgier the conversation is going to get, but we'll have that freedom if we so choose.
So winding it up here, people.
It won't change anything with the Roberts.
I'm just going to end on YouTube and see you guys on Rumble.
Now.
So, the basic premises of Rich Dad, Poor Dad, for anybody who may not have read it, there's a number of points, but they're easy enough to understand for people who are out there.
The number one, my dad taught it to me from a young age, the difference between an asset and a liability.
A lot of people don't understand this.
I'm going to buy a car, it's going to be an asset.
Give them the 101.
Before we get into a couple of the other points and then the broader, where we are now and how the heck we get out of it.
You're hitting on probably the most important subject because it's Mr. Barnes' subject.
It's called the words.
Do you know what I mean?
Contracts are made of words.
And what I was taught by my rich dad, who was, he says in the Bible from the book of John, he goes, and the word became flesh and dwelt amongst us.
And what he says is that poor people speak poor words.
Middle class people speak middle class words.
And the rich speak rich words.
You know, the words of money.
So all rich dad, poor dad is the vocabulary of money.
And the word becomes flesh.
So my poor dad, a PhD from Stanford Northwestern University of Chicago, always said I can't afford it.
And my rich dad said to me, that's why he's poor.
The words become flesh.
That's the power of words.
And you know that, Mr. Barnes, as an attorney, the words are everything.
And in writing the book and getting what led.
You described it in general, but what has been your experience in creating financial literacy?
Because you take concepts that might be inaccessible to ordinary people.
Public education no longer teaches meaningful economics in a way that's going to be productive for the ordinary person.
What has helped you translate what might be otherwise arcane economic constructs and make them accessible and actionable for ordinary people?
So let me go.
I had to self-publish because every publisher out of New York who are communist, Marxist, pinkos anyway, they said, you don't know what you're talking about.
Because I said, you know, the savers were losers.
I said, how can you say savers are losers?
I said, have you seen what the Fed's doing?
This was 25 years ago.
And I said, your house is not an asset.
That's what got them.
Because for the middle class, as you know, that is their best asset.
But again, you know, My rich dad, I never went to school, he taught me about money playing Monopoly.
And we all know the formula for great wealth is four greenhouses, 1031, tax deferred exchange into a red hotel.
So I make millions on paying no taxes because I'm a real estate guy.
Same as Trump.
As Trump said to Hillary, Hillary accused him of not paying taxes.
What does Trump do?
Open foot, insert mouth.
He goes, that means I'm smart.
And he pissed off every middle-class pauper out there.
He pissed them off.
But anyway, I don't know where I'm going with all that, but it's just your words.
And so poor people speak poor words.
Like, you know, middle-class people speak middle-class words.
They call their house an asset.
They call their car an asset.
They call their 401k an asset.
They call their college education an asset.
But it takes money from your pocket.
So I own about 12,000 rental units, plus hotels, plus golf courses, plus gold mines and silver mines.
They put money in my pocket.
I have four liabilities called houses I live in.
But they're not assets.
They're expensive.
And what's happening, as you know, with these...
Interest rates rising.
The interest rates are rising.
Inflation is causing life to get more expensive.
And jobs are disappearing.
The biggest suck and the biggest sinking hole for many people is their house.
Because in their mind, it's the only asset we have.
And in a person who I study money most of my life, the stock market goes down, no big deal.
Bond market goes down, no big deal.
Real estate market goes down?
Big deal.
Because real estate is like a sinkhole.
It takes all businesses with it.
And that's why I'm pretty concerned and why I said back in 20, 25 years ago, 1997, your house is not an asset.
And that's what the publicist out of New York came after me about.
But one more thing is that when people ask me to speak, they get upset because I won't speak on the stock market.
Why?
I don't own stocks.
I don't have a 401k.
I don't have an IRA.
I don't have any stocks, bonds, mutual funds, or ETFs.
Because I'm a capitalist, I can make my own assets.
So I took my own gold mine, the richest gold mine in the world, found it in Provo, Utah, not Mormon.
But in Provo, Utah, we found one of the richest gold mines in the world.
140 years old, we just took it public on July 8th, 2022.
You know, all they did, this was interesting, was one guy said it's 140 years old, so he took technology, and he took the writings, again, the words, of those miners 140 years ago, and he digitalized their records.
And when they digitalized the records, they're able to take those words and put it into pictures.
And the guy says, oh, my God.
They missed the vein.
So back in 2008, I mean, July 8th, 2022, we took that public, and it's become the richest gold mine in the world.
But the early miners missed it.
But had we not gone over their records, as you know how important they are, we missed it.
And they missed the vein.
We're going to get there in a second because you said something else in an interview about if China invades Taiwan, how you stand to profit financially.
Not in a negative way, but I have my questions about that in terms of economic advice.
But the house not being an asset, that was the one that caught my ear as well because we typically think of an asset as something that appreciates in value, whereas you go with...
No, no.
It doesn't have to appreciate.
It must put money in your pocket.
Covering all expenses.
It's monopoly.
You know, you got one greenhouse, you got 10 bucks, you got two, you got 20. It's not rocket science.
And what happens with people, the flippers want to flip it.
I've never sold a piece of property yet.
I did once, but I sold a long time ago.
But that was a mistake.
It was on the island of Maui.
I paid $18,000 for it on the beach in Maui.
And it went up to $35,000.
I thought it was Donald Trump.
And I sold it.
Today it's about $600,000.
I learned my lesson.
I don't sell good real estate.
And what do you think the impact is going to be?
It appears the Fed is determined to sink the housing market currently.
What are your thoughts on that?
I have a book that just came out a few months ago.
It's called The Capitalist Manifesto.
It's counter to The Communist Manifesto, which I read in 1965.
But people fail to realize the Fed is Marxist.
It's a central bank.
It's a central bank.
And a central bank is crucial to communism.
And so are taxes.
You know, this is from...
Karl Marx says a heavy or progressive income tax is necessary for the proper development of communism.
And Biden puts up 87,000 Gestapo agents?
That's why I opened this show.
I said, we're here fighting for our freedom this time.
It's the second civil war.
And there's those communists who are kicking our asses right now.
That's my concern.
That's why I fight back.
I'm still a U.S. Marine.
I went down three times.
All my crews came back.
I lost a lot of friends.
But we have to fight back.
And so that's why when I met you at Gammons events and some other people's events, we're speaking to the unwashed or the deplorables.
But we're fighting back.
Someone in the chat on Rumble says, what if you own your house?
The idea is, Robert, the amazing idea is that something has to make money for you.
It has to make more money than it costs.
Then you have something of an asset.
Whereas with your house, it may appreciate in value.
But in the meantime, you're paying taxes.
You're paying mortgage if you have a mortgage interest.
It's a money suck, not a money generator.
But I mean, look, another thing is...
Everybody who read your book now says, I'm going into real estate.
I'm going to buy up some cheap property, this and that.
How do you apply the principles of your book, Mutandis Mutandis, to where the opportunities are at the time?
How do you find those opportunities of the time?
Well, I take real estate courses.
The last time I was on a college campus was 1974.
I walked on campus.
I was in a Marine flight suit.
I was an MBA program.
I started fighting with the accounting teacher because he was a teacher, but he wasn't an accountant.
And the students were spitting on me in class.
This was 1974.
And I swear I never said, we're communists now.
I shot better people than you.
I'm still a Marine.
I still fight back.
I'll tell you something else Dinesh D'Souza just said.
I was at Prager University's event.
And Dinesh, you know, he wrote 2,000 Mules and all that stuff.
He's a fabulous, fabulous smart guy.
And he said that he stood in front of Prager University crowd, and he says, the American Revolution was a street fight.
I went, what?
He says, it wasn't a war.
And because I'm a Marine academy, I like war.
He says, and the reasons the Americans won...
It's because they broke the rules.
You know, they shot from behind trees.
The redcoats marched in line.
They all stood in line.
The rebels, the American rebels, were shooting from the back, front, backwards, poisoning in their water, peeing in their suit.
Whatever they did, they did everything.
And Dinesh says, the problem is today, we wear the redcoats.
And the academic left are the rebels.
They fight dirty.
And he encouraged us to fight dirty.
That's what's happened at Mar-a-Lago and all that.
How can they invade somebody else filing the Fourth Amendment?
You know, how can they do that?
How can they break the wall?
How can they do all that?
So Dinesh D'Souza's recommendation, again, 2,000 mules is worth seeing.
It's about the theft of the American of our election.
He says, we're the redcoats.
That's basically my interpretation.
We're the redcoats.
And the academic left, the Marxists, the communists, are the rebels.
And we fight clean.
They don't fight according to the rules.
Interesting, right, Mr. Barnes?
No doubt.
If you play by Marcus of Queensberry rules in a gutter fight, you're not likely to prevail.
Well, a random question.
What was it like learning to be a pilot and have you maintained that since your military service?
It was one of the greatest experiences of my life, you know, because like I said, I had 1969.
My classmates were making $120,000 a year.
I was making about $48,000 a year because I was working for Standard Oil because I refused to join the Union.
But the Vietnam War was still on.
I remember I was 69. 67 was the Israeli War.
Remember that one?
Six-Day War.
And the Israelis kicked the ass of the Egyptians.
And that always sat in the back of my mind.
I said, that looks like fun.
And then my economics teacher at the academy was a West Point graduate B-17 pilot.
And he used to talk to us about what it was like to get shot down and escape and evade.
And so just as I was graduating, I walked up to him and I said, do you recommend doing what you did?
And he passed on his wisdom, you know, he's an economics teacher.
He says, life is a series of experiences.
Go for it.
And so after the Israelis kicked ass on the Egyptians, what happened was, I don't even know what happened, is the Egyptians had a bad habit of taking a lunch break.
So the Israelis didn't fight by their rules.
And as soon as they shut the aircraft down for lunch, they just strafed them.
I was just cracking up, having a good thinking about, you know, they're going for the Suez Canal, of course.
But anyway, so that's kind of my background.
And life's just been this experience.
So when I went to flight school, this is the other lesson for all your viewers.
The more dangerous the mission, the smarter you've got to be.
Okay, so if I was just going to be a private pilot, boring holes with a Cessna 172, you know, Yonsville.
But I knew, I went from Pensacola, Florida, to Camp Pendleton, California.
My instructors keep stepping up.
They had just come back from Vietnam.
And because the mission was, our life expectancy was 30 days as a gunship pilot.
And the more dangerous the mission, the smarter you've got to be.
The better your training's got to be.
And that stuck with me.
Does that make sense to you?
Because I like taking on dangerous missions, and the more dangerous the mission, the more inspired I get to be better.
Many people, if the mission is dangerous, they break out their golf clubs and go play golf.
Nothing wrong with golf, but that's what they do.
Robert, this is the first time we've met, and I'm noticing that your chemical composition is just different than the average person.
What I'm wondering is, you go to war, you fight.
You have experiences which I suspect would break many, many people.
I recently listened to the audiobook with the old Brie.
And one of the things that I struggle to comprehend in other people who have gone through these experiences is how do you get into them?
How do you go through them?
And how do you get over them?
But if I'm talking to someone who I think is just built differently, then maybe that answer is just going to be totally foreign to me.
But you go through these experiences of life.
It seems that you get turned on by different things than other people based on that story of when you were 16 years old.
You go to war and you come back to civil society.
How do you internalize that and how do you deal with what you went through and how do you go on going forward?
Well, again, it goes back to the academy, all academies, all five federal academies, Army, Air Force, Navy, Coast Guard, Kings Point.
The first word they teach you at the academy is mission.
What's your mission in life?
Then you put together your team and you lead the team.
And that's what we're taught.
We're different.
That's why we're different.
So I don't go into battle alone.
And I choose the more dangerous the mission, the better I've got to be.
It's ingrained in us.
So that's why I look at the Navy.
It has the Navy SEALs.
Army has Special Forces, 82nd Airborne.
Air Force has PJs or something like that.
Every organization has the elite.
And we need more of that.
So we have to fight back.
We're getting our asses kicked.
As Dinesh D'Souza says, we're the guys wearing the red coats now because we fight clean.
And can you describe both in your book and what you've described in other contexts, political, military strategy, etc.?
Is to not see difficulty or obstacles as burdens that people should be afraid of, but opportunities and challenges that they should be excited by.
That it's a mindset issue, a mentality issue.
Can you describe that for us?
Well, again, my book, Capitalist Manifesto, it just came out.
I go straight after the NEA, National Extortion Association.
And I'm getting pilloried.
Those SOBs just hate me.
But it makes me stronger.
That makes sense to you?
It makes me stronger.
Keep coming, man.
Keep coming at me.
You can take me out.
I'm 75 years old.
Big deal.
But I wrote my books.
They're on their way.
Oh, by the way, at Prager University last week in Dallas, Glenn Beck spoke there.
Man, have you interviewed him?
Not yet.
He is Ask him about his museum.
He blew me away.
He talked about being an alcoholic, I think, and he's a Mormon.
And Prager is a Jew.
And they talked about the difference between religions and all this stuff, you know.
So Glenn takes us to his museum, and he said to his kids, there is no inheritance.
All the money I've made has gone into this museum.
And what he did, I think he, Mr. Barnes, would find it most...
I don't know, the word is mind-blowing.
He has reserved, he has saved all the documents from American Civil War and Revolutionary War and the Constitution.
He has the original documents.
And he has them in hiding someplace in Dallas.
And if he's nice to him, he'll let you go and look at them.
So I spent about four hours in there.
I was just blown away.
And then he stands up and he says, the reason I have to hide them.
It's because the academic left got a hold of these priceless artifacts.
The left would destroy them.
I mean, that's how the American Second Civil War is.
We're fighting the communists of academics.
And even Dennis Pregner said, the first thing that has to go is the Department of Education.
And that's why I said in 1965 when I read Communist Manifesto, Again, my B-17 pilot economics teacher, West Point graduate, he says, you've got to read this book because you have to know your enemy.
And everything that Marx wrote in 1848 started coming true.
It comes in two steps.
Step one was 1930, when Columbia University was invaded by communists and then all the rioting broke out.
Step two was the theft of the election, President Trump.
We're already losing the war.
You know?
So it's because they fight dirty and we walk around with red coats on.
Robert, in one of the interviews you recently gave, I think it was relatively recent, you mentioned how if China invades Taiwan, your investments are such that you stand to make a windfall.
And I'm not, I don't, I mean, making money is great.
I want to understand.
What you meant by that in terms of what you've done to hedge your bets for absolute global calamity?
Well, there's a number of reasons, but, you know, I have tremendous respect for Taiwan and I have respect for the Chinese people, except they have, you know, comments, the CCP.
But, you know, China is known for, I mean, Taiwan is known for semiconductors, chips.
And they have a lot of money.
And so if...
China invades Taiwan.
They're going to move to Hawaii.
And Arizona is known as Silicon Desert.
Taiwan Semiconductors has one of the biggest campuses out here already built up building chips.
So I went in Arizona and I went in Hawaii because that's where they moved to.
Because, you know, Asians like to hang out with Asians.
So Hawaii, they blend in faster.
Like me in Arizona, I'm really easily recognized because there are too many Haitians walking around.
And I'm being racist.
Now, you know, George had some different experiences with what's happening in Arizona.
What's been your experience in the sense that, you know, we're seeing across the country?
Various democratic left leaders who are unleashing criminals on the street with a wide range of selective prosecution policies, easy bail policies, and other social policies, giving people money and then taking it away and how all that was going to fall out.
What's been your experience?
I mean, how much is what we're seeing in San Francisco, New York, Chicago, how much of that is even hitting home in places like Arizona?
Well, I live at a place called Arizona Biltmore.
And that's where the estates are, Biltmore Estates.
And next door to me is Biltmore Shopping Center.
It's where the rich come to shop.
And I go into like Saks or my other friend's shops.
And what's happening is these kids come in with tasers.
So it's armed.
They're armed with tasers.
And twice now I've been there and they've tased the security guards, held the...
Store clerk in terror and robbed him in broad daylight.
So it's growing because you know why, as you know, as an attorney, if there's no, you don't get arrested, why not?
And I think that's what the left wants.
And that's why I'm saying to you, this is the second civil war.
We're fighting for our freedom against the academics.
I hate to say that, but we're fighting against my poor dad.
They're good people.
But they know nothing about money.
Robert, someone in the chat earlier on had said, I'm reluctant to ask the question, but I'm going to ask it in any event in the way that I like.
But someone says, is it time for good people to do bad things?
And I'm going to rephrase that question in a way that's not going to make me feel morally culpable.
There's a few people saying civil war and it's going to be fought differently, yada, yada.
How do...
People fight back in a manner that's going to be productive because my underlying theory, red coat or not, fight back with unlawful means or means that get you in trouble.
You've served no purpose other than justifying further action from the other side.
How do you want people to fight back policy-wise, socially, politically, ideologically?
That's a great question, but that's why I met Robert Barnes.
We met at these small little...
It's like the church where they all hung out and they talked about the...
The Revolutionary War.
So I hang out with like-minded people.
And it's important that you show up.
You know, because if you sit there and zoom around the place, nobody knows the difference.
Tomorrow night, I go to a fundraiser for Carrie Lake, who's Trump-endorsed.
And we just keep fighting back.
But for me, I wrote Rich Dad, Poor Dad, and my forte is being a dumbass Marine.
Is I take stuff and make it simple.
Because I was never academically bright.
And I flunked out of high school twice because I can't write.
That's not that I couldn't write.
The teacher didn't like what I'd invest in the stock market.
Well, I don't.
I don't have to.
I'm a capitalist.
You know, I have stocks, but they're companies I took public.
It's a different perspective.
So I fight back personally by showing up and...
Waving and glad-handed like a politician.
That's where I saw Robert Barnes.
And we fight back by showing solidarity, like LaCluenza of Poland.
And I fight back by kiss because that's my forte.
I'm a dumbass Marine.
You have to keep it simple.
So I write for me.
Oh, and by the way, I bought a house in Washington, D.C. next to the Capitol.
Cabin made my best friend on board the carrier in Vietnam.
Robert, I got kicked out as a Marine Lieutenant for, should I say, extracurricular activities.
Flying drunk, flying women all over the place, having a good time.
And my best friend, Jack, and I were doing the same thing.
The difference was he is now a Lieutenant General.
So I got kicked out as a lieutenant.
He becomes a lieutenant general, and now he's a congressman from Michigan.
And we bought a house in Washington, D.C., and it's going to be called the Rich Dad House.
And I hate to use the term, but it's kind of a lobbyist place.
It's where he can hold meetings and all this, and people have to walk past our financial display with a dedication to the U.S. Marine Corps.
So that's how we fight back.
It's getting proactive.
And can you describe how, you know, a lot of what you do is about self-education.
In other words, giving people the means by which you're shifting mindset.
Learn where to look for information, how to approach things from a different framework, and how important that, I mean, the foundation of American constitutional democracy was in large part built on self-educated audiences at places like taverns and little pubs and little stopping places along the road and the back roads where my ancestors were and what have you.
Can you describe how important that is for people that that is an important way to fight back?
Getting self-educated leads to self-empowerment and then sharing that with other people so they can share in it to resist this sort of cultural totalitarianism that we're dealing with with people who have occupied and controlled our institutions of influence.
Well, what you're saying is the most important thing because as much as I hate socialist media, you know, Twitter and YouTube and all that, it's still one of the best vehicles to educate.
So what we're talking about today, we would never have an audience 20 years ago.
You know what I mean?
Fox, CBS, NBC would hog the airwaves.
So what you guys are doing now with Viva Barnes Law is the next revolution.
It's the next town hall meeting.
And so this is how we fight back.
And I said, my job is to take what I've done and make it simpler.
Because a lot of times I listen to these talking kids, Because I'm a macroeconomist.
I have no idea what they're talking about.
I get confused.
But they sound good.
So there's ways you can fight back and everybody has something they can do.
I created the cash flow board game because after the Monopoly game.
And the cash flow board game is the only game that teaches accounting.
And people, I hated accounting.
Most boring subject I ever took.
That's why I fought with my accounting teacher in the MBA program.
I said, you know what you're talking about?
Because he was calling a house an asset.
I said, it's not.
Play Monopoly, idiot.
Four green houses.
They put money in your pocket.
Red Hotels put 1031 tax deferred exchanges.
No, they're not.
Because he was a Marxist.
What do you mean not pay taxes?
I'll say it again.
A heavy and progressive income tax is necessary for the proper development of communism.
Karl Marx.
I mean, that's what 87,000 IRS agents are doing.
It's called Gestapo.
And they're going after small business.
They can't touch me because I have enough counsel attorneys to protect me.
I have the law on my side.
So everybody can fight back in one way or the other.
But the most important thing is beware, as I said, the poor speak a certain language.
I can't afford it.
You know, the government owes me a living, and the rich are crooks, the rich are greedy.
The middle class, if I'll get a safe, secure job, and I'll have a 401k, and I'll buy a house because the house is my biggest asset, and, you know, I can't afford it, but I've got to pay my taxes first.
And the rich have a different vocabulary.
The power of words.
John 14. The word becomes flesh and dwells amongst us.
So what you say is who you become.
You mentioned Kerry Lake.
What's the latest and what are you doing?
I say, are you doing anything to help?
I don't know what amount of political, I don't know, lobbyist the word is, but a promoter.
Are you actively promoting Kerry Lake and how is that campaign going?
Well, tomorrow night, he's having, well, my next door neighbor, who's a hardcore capitalist also, real estate guy also, he's putting out a big event, but the ticket is $2.
$2,000 per person.
That cuts the riffraff out.
They still have 300 people coming.
And I'm paying for my friends to go.
I mean, that's how important it is to me.
I've never been political because my poor dad was superintendent of education in the state of Hawaii.
And he made the mistake because he was so tired of the corruption of the labor unions in Hawaii.
He ran as a Republican in the People's Republic of Hawaii.
And I was in flight school at the time in Pensacola, Florida.
He said, I'm going to run for office.
And I went, Jesus Christ, you know.
He said, I can't stomach it.
My poor dad was an honest man.
So he ran against his boss, the governor, ex-police officer.
He got his ass handed to him.
The governor said to my dad, you'll never work in this state again.
My mother died three months later.
And my father never recovered.
That's how I called him, my poor dad.
He couldn't find a job.
But all he knew was to be a schoolteacher, PhD.
And so I've been apolitical ever since flight school.
I went to Vietnam.
I see the news being distorted, lied to, misinformed.
We have to shoot kids.
And then we get accused of being the villains.
They intentionally sent kids after us.
I don't know if you guys knew that.
So it's kill or be killed.
And you have no idea what it feels like.
It takes your heart out.
It just takes your heart out.
We're not supposed to do it.
And while most of us didn't, we'd do something else, not shoot them.
But it challenges us.
So tomorrow night, across the street, I'm paying for my friends to go listen to Carrie Lake.
It's that important.
Thanks, Robert, for this.
Can you tell people where, you know, you have an excellent podcast, Rich Dad, Poor Dad.
I've had the privilege to be a guest upon occasion.
George Gammon, our mutual friend on there as well.
Where can people find you?
I mean, there's all the great books, the New Capitalist Manifesto book.
But where can people, if they want to make sure they're continuing to get the benefit of your financial literacy and education so they can become self-educated and self-empowered themselves?
Well, again, I learned everything playing Monopoly.
You know, four greenhouses, 1031 tax deferred exchange.
Don't pay any taxes.
I appreciate, depreciate, amortize.
I pay no taxes on income.
I mean, that's education to me.
But I would highly suggest people play my cash flow game because I learned that playing Monopoly, because I was not a very bright student.
I slept through school, you know, because I have a high ADD means I'm Allergic to boredom.
And when a teacher just rattled on, I was sound asleep or surfing.
So I would suggest people look at my cash flow board game because as Maria Montessori said, what the hand does, the mind remembers.
And she's a great educational entrepreneur, Maria Montessori.
So you play the cash flow game, start a club, and start teaching your friends and family.
By one game, you can teach 100 people.
You play that game 10 times, you're different.
Because your hand is actually filling out a financial statement.
This is the real game board of the cash flow board game.
And you have to sit there with a pencil and erase it and all this.
You can do it electronically, but more erase.
But I think this is the most important thing here.
It's called an auditor.
And in today's world, the auditor is a thing called blockchain.
Blockchain is...
Ledger system electronically.
And I think the auditor and blockchain are going to blow the Fed out of the water.
So that's my opinion.
But in the meantime, I think we're in serious financial trouble.
And the greatest asset you have lies between this year and that year.
And if you don't use your hand to put more stuff in there, nothing changes.
So if I could highly recommend my game, it's a little expensive, but you can teach a lot of friends, family.
Build your own little ground.
Our schools do not teach.
Oh, by the way, DeSantis has brought us in for Rich Dad to teach in this public school system.
It's changing.
It's changing.
It's good news.
Absolutely.
Robert, I will pin all of the links in both Rumble and YouTube afterwards so people can find the game, your book, your older books, and your new one.
Thank you very much.
This is phenomenal.
Intense.
And I think people are going to enjoy re-watching this.
Stick around.
We'll say our proper goodbyes.
And everyone in the chat, you know what to do.
Snip, clip.
I think Salty is live now, so head over there and let them know everything's good, good.
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