If you're in a state where hurricanes often strike, like Florida or the Gulf Coast or into Texas, a vital part of preparing for hurricane season is to get vaccinated now.
Everything is more complicated if you're not vaccinated and a hurricane or a natural disaster hits.
Let me be clear.
If you're in a state where hurricanes often strike, like Florida or the Gulf Coast or into Texas, a vital part of preparing for hurricane season is to get vaccinated now.
A vital part.
A vital part of preparing for a hurricane is to get vaccinated now.
Now, people, you all know that I'm in Florida now and we're living through our first hurricane, but we're southeast and it's going around to the west and hitting...
Tampa, I believe, was where is making landfall, give or take.
We got a tornado warning at 5.15 this morning telling us to go hunker down in a basement.
And we don't have a basement, so we found the only room with no windows and hunkered down for a bit.
But this video of Joe Biden, seemingly being an ultimate buffoon, has been making the rounds on Twitter in the last couple of days.
People should know.
This is not...
A new video of Joe Biden.
This is something he said, I believe it was last August.
So don't recycle it as though he said it the other day in respect of Hurricane Ian.
Not that it changes anything, because it doesn't.
Because it's a fundamentally psychotic thing to say.
The best way to prepare for a hurricane is to get vaccinated.
I had to Google it just to see what was going on.
And there was a fact check that was done on it.
And the fact check...
As true fake fact checkers do, is pure rubbish spin.
From Reuters, and we know the connection between Reuters and pharma.
There's a connection among the people who are carrying out these fact checks and their interest in pharmaceuticals.
But setting that aside, the internet can do that, you know, make those connections for me.
They did a fact check, and it's from November 2021.
Fact check, Biden urged those in hurricane-prone states to get COVID shots in case of evacuation.
He said the best thing to do, a vital thing to protect in hurricane-prone areas, get vaccinated.
The verdict?
Missing context.
President Joe Biden urged Americans in hurricane-prone states to get vaccinated.
He did.
Fact check, true.
You can explain it the way you want.
It's fact-checked true.
Exploiting of natural disasters to push a vaccination policy, a campaign.
Okay, but there's a beautiful thing here.
In terms of misrepresenting, what people were outraged about that clip for.
While the comments on the post imply that Biden is confused and saying that the vaccine will protect from the hurricanes.
Nobody said that.
Nobody understood it that way.
Or anybody who did understand it that way is either deliberately misunderstanding, misframing, or just, you know, has comprehension issues.
Nobody was suggesting that.
What they were suggesting is that it's preposterous to specify that a vital preparation for hurricanes is to get vaccinated.
But listen to how they spin it.
They were saying he's confused.
Nobody was saying that.
It is clear.
That being unvaccinated could raise risks in situations related to hurricanes, such as evacuations or staying in shelter.
Oh, and that's because we live in such a psychotic, tribalist world where in the event of a natural disaster, evacuation, whatever, they would actually ask your vaccination status before putting you in emergency shelters.
You think I'm lying, people.
Let me see if I pulled up this article.
I didn't.
But when they had that volcano erupting on the island, I forget where, and they were evacuating people from the island, oh, the cruise ships were only taking vaccinated people fleeing.
Delusional.
Psychotic.
Madness.
Absurd.
It's absurd.
It's clown world.
We are living in an upside-down clown world.
Vital.
Get vaccinated.
Because if you're not, and you need emergency shelter, if you're not vaccinated, you might not get it.
You know what that's called?
Extortion.
To some.
Do something to your body or you will not get vital assistance that you need.
Okay, sorry.
The dog has gotten into bad habits of barking.
So that's where we're at today.
Speaking of clown world, this is going to be fascinating.
Chloe Cole, for those of you who have not been following on Twitter, I don't...
I don't know how to describe the situation.
It made for preparing a difficult title for the stream.
Chloe Cole is an 18-year-old woman.
She's going to explain herself in greater detail, and I'm going to ask a lot of questions.
But an 18-year-old woman who, at the age of 12, 12 or 13, give or take, as she has explained, felt, I'll say indoctrinated, but felt influenced by the media, by social media, To think that she was transgender.
Told her parents, we'll get the details, but bottom line, Chloe Cole at the age of 15 or 16 was given a double mastectomy as part of gender transition therapy after having been given hormones, I think at the age of 12 or 13. And has now, as I understand a great many people with what is referred to as gender dysphoria do ultimately realize it was something of a phase.
A phase in a non-judgmental way that they have now realized that was not the solution to whatever they were going through.
And Chloe Cole has now become a vocal, not an activist, an outspoken opponent of gender transition therapy on minors.
And her story is amazing.
And it takes a great amount of courage.
To come out and do this, period.
Let alone to, you know, sit down for a long format interview.
And I ask invasive, very personal questions.
And I'm going to.
I've warned her that I'm going to.
And if I ever cross a line, she will let me know and I will move on.
But this is going to be phenomenal.
So that's it.
We're going to bring in Chloe Cole.
We are going to go to Rumble at about 15 minutes after Chloe explains who she is.
Because this is not a discussion that could be had on YouTube.
Because it's a discussion that goes radically against the narrative that is being pushed by the media, that is being pushed by an industry.
Because transgender therapy, top surgery, bottoms, it's become an industry.
And when things become industries, they get corrupt.
And when things get corrupt, people don't want people having open, free discussion about it.
So without further ado, I'm going to be bringing in Chloe.
It's going to be fantastic.
Chloe, how goes the battle?
Hi there.
Thank you so much for having me on.
No, thank you for coming.
It takes a degree of courage, which I'm not sure that you appreciate the courage that you have and that are showing to do all of this.
Maybe you do.
But I still think you might be too young to even appreciate the courage that it requires to do this.
And you're doing it reflexively, instinctively.
But my goodness, thank you.
Now, hold on.
Do I want to bracket out like this?
Or like this?
Which do you prefer?
Now let's do this.
This is better.
Less wasted space.
Chloe.
30,000-foot overview for anybody who does not know who you are.
So, my name is Chloe Cole, and I am an 18-year-old detransitioner from the Central Valley.
So, in case you don't know, a detransitioner is basically somebody who went through medical transition, and then eventually...
Came to either regret it or they just decided that it wasn't the right path for them.
And so they've permanently gone back on their decision to live as their birth sex.
Now you're 18 years old, which means that you were born in 2004.
Yes.
2004!
That is...
I mean, COVID is going to be the new frame of reference for this generation, but 9-11 was our frame of reference.
You're post-9-11.
You don't even have that memory in your head.
It's surreal how young you are.
Where are you from?
You're from California?
Yeah, I'm from California.
I'm in the Central Valley area.
And if I may ask, again, tell me at the reluctance, how many siblings do you have?
Are you an only child?
I'm the youngest of five children.
Youngest of five children.
All from one marriage?
No, all my older siblings are half-siblings.
I have one brother and one sister on each side.
And so then I presume that means your parents are divorced, remarried, and you're the product of a second marriage.
Yeah.
And if I may ask, what do your parents do?
No more details just in terms of professions.
Are they professionals, teachers, lawyers?
Well, I can't say what my mom is, but my dad is, my dad's, he's working with, I mean, he's kind of switching between jobs, but he mostly works in, like, IT.
Okay, cool.
And so, and now, I won't ask any more questions about that, but age difference between first and last of your half-siblings?
Like, are you way in a different generation, or are you all roughly?
Yeah, I'm about seven to eight years younger, younger than my older siblings.
Seven to eight years younger than your older siblings.
All right.
All right, now, Chloe, let's start from the beginning because it's going to require starting from the beginning of your life.
I know some things that, I mean, I've been following you for a while, so I know more about you than maybe some people.
But I guess one issue, one of the underlying main points in all of your story is that you were diagnosed with certain, let's say, mental, not what do they call them?
I don't know what the problem is.
I don't want to say issues, disorders.
I don't know.
It's not to be judgmental at all.
You were diagnosed with mental issues at a young age or at a younger age?
Yeah, I was diagnosed with ADHD at a young age, but I had several diagnoses after I detransitioned or during my transition.
A few years after I'd been diagnosed with gender dysphoria, I would say maybe about two years into medically transitioning, I was diagnosed with social anxiety and depression.
And after I had de-transitioned, I was diagnosed with autism and body dysmorphia.
I would say the body dysmorphia went undiagnosed for maybe five to six years after.
No, after I started experiencing dysphoria.
If I may ask, when do the first of the diagnoses come?
Do they come at a young age as a child, or do they come around adolescence?
I mean, the only diagnosis I really had when I was a kid, I was seven when I was diagnosed with ADHD, and it wasn't until a few years later in my adolescence that I was diagnosed with everything else.
Okay, that's interesting.
So diagnosed with ADHD, if I may ask, do they prescribe medication for that at that age?
When I was about 10, they put me on, they kept switching me between medications because they ended up not working.
I think, I can't remember what the first one was where they switched between like Concerta to Adderall to stuff of that sort.
But I was pretty young when they put me on those medications.
I was like 10 or 11 when they had me on an adult male dose, they said, of Concerta.
I don't know what that is.
I know the Adderall, but I presume they're all part and parcel of the same roster of medications that they prescribe for these things.
10 years old, ADHD.
If I may ask, what was the behavior that was indicating that you might have had...
Something like that that led to that diagnosis?
It was mostly difficulty concentrating in class or on my assignments, my homework.
I would usually draw during class and I found it really difficult to stay focused.
That's the gist of it.
It's funny.
I'm reading the chat and someone says, ADHD diagnosis is always given before they decide on autism.
I've got a family member who was diagnosed with Asperger's and a best friend kid is diagnosed with autism.
I'm very familiar with it.
But for those who don't know, from your perspective of someone who's diagnosed with autism, how does that materialize within your own mental framework?
What does that...
What does that mean to you on a day-to-day basis in terms of how you see the world, how you interact with the world?
I would say the main way it affects me would be socially.
I struggle a lot socially.
I was always in school, especially middle and elementary school.
I was kind of like the odd one out.
I found it difficult to make and keep friends, and I didn't fit in a whole lot.
Especially with other girls, I've found.
And one of the things I think a lot of people tend to say vis-a-vis autism Asperger's is reading social cues.
Do you find that you have difficulty reading social cues, knowing if people are happy, sad, responding well, and does it cause an anxiety internally?
Usually I can read people's emotions pretty well, but the more...
A lot of the more subtle things, it gets pretty difficult.
Okay, so this is very interesting.
So 10 years old, ADHD, you're put on whatever medication, whatever doctors decide.
Are these, ask a stupid question, are these clinical psychiatrists?
Are you seeing professionals or is this more informal, like you're just seeing a GP who makes these diagnoses?
Well...
During that time, it was quite a bit of time ago, so I can't remember exactly who did it.
I'm assuming it was a child psychiatrist.
I was also, later, when I was diagnosed with depression at, I believe I was 15, they prescribed me Wellbutrin as well.
And you're diagnosed with depression.
Is this before, after, or right about the same time that you start going through the transitioning therapy?
This is about two years after I started medically transitioning.
All right, so let's flesh that out.
But people, we're going to end this on YouTube right now.
I'm just going to post the link so that we can all move over to Rumble.
It's the pinned link because this is where we're going to get medical and maybe a little, I won't say graphic, but we're going to go into the details of this.
I got lots of questions.
So removing from YouTube, move over to Rumble People.
Discussion will continue.
Remove.
Okay, so what's the timeline?
How does this work?
10-11, diagnosed with ADHD, given prescriptions.
Then how does this lead into gender dysphoria, thinking you want to be a boy, and then going to the doctor?
How does all that work time frame and influence-wise?
So it's actually, it's kind of a confusing timeline, but I was actually, I was seven when I was diagnosed with ADHD.
And I was 10 when they started medicating me.
And then about a year later, no, about two years later, when I was 12, I started socially transitioning.
And at 13 was when I started.
I got prescription for lockers and testosterone.
I started on that.
And then 15 was when I went under the knife to get a double mastectomy.
Let's break that down a little bit.
So socially transitioning.
First of all, how do you even get there?
You say at about 10 or 11, mom, dad, I think I'm a boy.
You go to see somebody and they say...
Yeah, let's do this.
You can change your name and start dressing a certain way, cut your hair.
Is that how it starts?
Yeah, so when I was 12, I started getting shorter haircuts.
Changing my wardrobe, started buying and wearing boys' clothes.
First, I came out to one of my older sisters, and then a few months later, I came out to my parents, and it was in a letter.
I'll get back to the letter in one second.
Let me ask, where does the idea even come from in the first place?
I presume you're 11, 12. Did you have these ideas internally beforehand or was there some sort of external trigger that planted the seed?
I would say the biggest catalyst was social media for me.
I started using social media when I was 11. I made my first Instagram account.
Very quickly after that, I started getting a lot of LGBTQ content in my Explore feed and recommended to me in my normal feed.
The content that was recommended to me the most was trans-identified teens who were, I would say, maybe 12 to 19 years old.
And it just kind of struck me just how closely knit these people seem and the sense of community they seem to have.
And, you know, I was like an awkward kid who didn't have a whole lot of friends.
It just kind of...
I mean, subconsciously that was something that I really wanted for myself.
It's funny.
You mentioned the sense of community.
I just want to make sure I get back to that because I know, you know, fast forward six years how this ends and I presume what you feel to be an absolute violation of that sense of community where hero one day to enemy the other.
So you start noticing this stuff on social media.
Are you on primarily TikTok, Instagram, Facebook?
I was...
You mean like now or when I...
No, no, like when these ideas...
When you started getting exposed to these ideas, was it primarily on TikTok?
No, it was on Instagram.
This was long before TikTok became a platform.
Okay.
So you see it on Instagram.
It looks...
It's a loaded question, but beforehand these ideas didn't occur to you and then it starts seeming like a good way to meet people.
Have a meaning, so to speak, in life?
So you see it, and then what happens?
How long into the exposure on social media before you go to your parents with this?
I would say maybe about three to six months.
It was pretty quick.
I didn't really realize at the time how it made me feel.
And so you start watching this, you have, I'll say ideations, but it seems like a good idea.
What does that letter, do you remember what the letter says that you wrote to your parents?
I mean, it was pretty much just, you know, like I want you and mom to see me as like, start referring to me as your son and to refer to me by this name.
That was the gist of it.
And I'm going to ask the...
I mean, I can't even...
What's your parents' response to receiving that letter?
So they were actually kind of at a loss of what to do.
They wanted to be accepting, but they didn't really...
I mean, it was such a novel thing.
They wanted professional help, and so they...
Soon after, they actually referred me to like a...
They started going to...
They referred me to like a therapist.
And if I may ask a very, it'll be the very personal question.
At any point, like in this early stage, had you been into things like self-harm, cutting yourself, those types of things?
Or was this...
Okay.
Because I tend to know that those things correlate together, especially when someone goes to their parents and say, look, I'm harming myself as it is.
Let's do this because I need to.
So you write the letter to your parents.
I mean, I want to pry just a little bit.
Do you sit down at a dinner after that to talk about it?
Do you continue to exchange via written correspondence?
Or is there a sit-down together to discuss it?
After that, we would sit down together to discuss it.
After that, they say, we're going to go see a professional.
How does that happen?
What does that look like for anybody who has no experience with that?
I was just referred to a general child psychologist.
And I felt like I wasn't really getting any help from them.
So I got a referral to, they call it a gender specialist, I believe, who then diagnosed me with gender dysphoria.
And how quickly do they diagnose you with gender dysphoria?
Is it multiple meetings or right after the first one?
It was pretty much the first one, yeah.
And so what follows that diagnosis?
So they say, here's what you've got.
I mean, gender dysphoria.
I mean, actually, no, let me ask you this.
What questions did they ask you to determine this?
Like, what tests did they go through to determine if you actually suffer from, I'll say, genuine DSM-5 gender dysphoria or versus a capricious sort of influence of social media?
Like, what sort of tests do they apply?
I mean, this is so long ago that I can't really exactly remember the process, but I don't...
I remember there wasn't a whole lot of questioning of how other factors might be affecting that.
I presume there was something of a questionnaire and you fill up the questions.
That's interesting.
I'm just asking.
I'm only wondering in terms of what...
Depth of analysis they go into, because I've filled out questionnaires for other things, and I know the questions they ask, and one of the questions that they, or one of the criteria that they typically want to understand is how long it's been going on for to determine the distress that it causes.
So basically, shortly in, you get diagnosed, then what's the next step that these professionals recommend for you?
They recommend going on PMD blockers, but I went I went further than that, and I went on both blockers and testosterone.
Blockers are the...
We know what the blockers are.
As the propaganda today goes, it just puts a pause on puberty, which I don't know.
Actually, do you know if it's worse, less severe, or roughly the same type of long-term consequences, puberty blockers for females to male versus male to female?
I wouldn't know.
Okay.
I mean, I can imagine it might be worse male to female because it prevents the penis from growing and bone density and all this stuff, but I don't know.
So, puberty blockers and testosterone, at what age?
I was 13 when I went on both of them.
How quickly do you notice a physiological change to your body and to your physical being?
So, with the blockers, it was like, I would say maybe within a week, I...
I remember I...
So there was actually like a month-long window between starting blockers and starting the cross-sex hormones.
Almost immediately, I was just like...
I would say...
I was just kind of bored all the time.
Like, I was just waiting for the next best thing.
And pretty soon after, I can't remember when this started, but I actually started getting...
They're called hot flashes.
For me, they were pretty severe.
It got to the point that my whole body would just get all hot and really itchy.
I couldn't wear certain...
I couldn't wear sweaters or jackets or pants during cold weather because it was just too much for me.
I can't imagine.
Sometimes they have kids on these for several years.
I can't imagine having to go through that for two or three years.
Let me ask you another question.
The way these things work is they give you one medication.
It causes a side effect.
They give you a medication for the side effect.
Did they prescribe anything for the hot flashes or that's just something you're expected to go through?
No.
I didn't get anything for the hot flashes.
I just kind of had to deal with it.
I was on the blockers for about a year, so I had them for roughly that amount of time.
You're on the puberty blockers for about a year at the age of 12 to 13, which means...
13. Does that mean...
Again, it's a direct question.
Does that mean that your breasts don't develop at that age?
No.
I actually had an early puberty.
I started puberty at around 9. By the time I started on the blockers and testosterone, I was actually...
Pretty far into puberty.
That's interesting.
Puberty blockers and hormones and testosterone.
How long does that go on for before the next step?
Who is the one to introduce the next step?
Who's the one to suggest it or to allow it to happen?
The way it was for me, they basically allowed me to do...
Whatever I wanted at whatever pace without really any questioning or pushing back.
The only medical professional who really expressed any pushback at all was the first endocrinologist I was referred to when I was seeking hormones and blockers.
He said he didn't want to put me on blockers because...
Like, he was citing, like, concerns for my brain development.
But after that, it was very easy to just, like, be referred to another endocrinologist who would be willing to put me on them.
Okay, and at all of this, are you paying for it?
Is it covered by insurance?
It was covered by insurance, I'm pretty sure.
That's interesting.
Okay.
And so they say it's not difficult to find a doctor who's going to just say, okay, here you go, Chloe, this is what you say and will allow it to happen.
How did you get the idea for the next step?
So you do puberty blockers, testosterone, and then at what point, what's going on where you say, I want to take this to the next level?
Well, so when I was 13, I actually had an incident in class where I had been I didn't realize it at the time.
But this affected me pretty seriously.
I didn't want that to happen ever again.
So I started hiding my chest from the world, you could say.
Pretty shortly after that, I started binding my chest using a...
They call it a chest binder.
It basically...
It creates the appearance of a flattened, they say more masculine-looking chest by basically pushing the breast into the ribcage.
And it's kind of brutal, actually, the way they work.
It actually caused some damage to my ribcage.
I still have a little bit of flare in my ribs to this day, even though I haven't been...
It's been two years post-op.
I haven't had my breast in two years, and I still have that.
That mark left on me from the binder.
Is it sort of like a stretchy wrap or is it a plastic shell that tightens on the side?
It's sort of in the shape of like a sports bra.
They come in like a half-body one that's more like a sports bra and then there's one that's more like an undershirt.
Are these devices specific to gender transition or are they used for sporting purposes?
Yeah, they're specific to transition.
And now I'm going to ask this question.
It's also a touchy one.
You have this incident where you're groped in class and it makes you want to cover your breasts.
Is there a part of it that makes you want to become male even more so that you can ensure that it never happens again?
Yes.
Did anybody know about this?
You spoke about this incident very briefly when you spoke with Marjorie Taylor Greene, but did you let anybody know about this incident at the time, or did you internalize it?
I didn't.
I couldn't because, I mean, I knew the school probably wasn't going to do much about it, and if I brought it up to my parents, they would have brought it up to the school, and if anything, because the kid didn't leave a mark.
There was no physical evidence of it, so they probably just would have let him off with a slap on the wrist, and it probably would have made the situation worse.
And so internally, from your perspective, you say, "My breasts are what caused this.
I want to hide them from the world.
If I'm a boy, this doesn't make me because I can imagine you're thinking I'll be strong." It won't happen, obviously, if I do this.
So you internalize that, you don't tell anybody about this, and then it pushes you further into the direction of let's go to the next step.
Yeah.
Okay, now this is the sensitive part, and I'm not asking this question at all to foment strife whatsoever.
I know my position on certain things, but we're going to get into that.
I may get into that later or not right now.
What are your parents saying about all this as this goes on?
How are they responding to this?
How are they reacting to it?
And what's your relationship with them like while this is all going on?
So, I mean, I can't really speak for my parents, but, I mean, they're proud of me for speaking out.
They obviously don't want to get involved because, I mean, I'm sure you've seen all the hate I get online.
But, yeah, I really don't want them.
To be harassed the way I am.
So I kind of just leave them out of it.
Okay, I won't ask any more questions.
So how does it get to the next step of a double mastectomy on a 15, 16-year-old girl?
So this is about two years, I would say, after I started binding.
You know, I live in...
Here in the Central Valley, it gets pretty hot here, especially during the summer.
It can get upwards of, like, 110 degrees on the worst days.
And I would, you know, I would have to walk home in that, like, I would be wearing this, I'd be wearing two layers, I'd be wearing jeans, like this t-shirt, like this super tight compression device.
And it was just, I was getting pretty sick of it.
I was getting tired of it.
Just having to do that to...
And so, you go to a doctor and say, look, I'm certain, let's just do this.
I mean, it's so shocking to a great many people.
What does a doctor do to ensure, A, you understand what you're asking for, B, your parents understand what you're asking for, and C, to find alternative Temporary solutions because this is...
It's not irreversible in...
It's very close to a form of irreversibility.
What do they do to vet this, to make sure you know what you're doing, you know what you want, and that this is medically in your best interest?
What's the process from the professional's perspective?
Well, clearly they don't do enough because, I mean, look what happened to me.
How long did it take?
You say, I want to have this done, and what do they do?
I would say it was maybe like a maximum of six months between when I first started, when I first expressed to my therapist that I wanted to get a double mastectomy and the actual operation.
Who does the operation?
What doctor does this operation?
Not by name.
Not by institution.
I don't want to be accused of what Matt Walsh's of the world are being accused of, of sicking crowds on hospitals.
We've seen the clips from the hospitals.
They're very proud of it.
It's all out there for everyone to see.
But what kind of doctor does this?
I think they would be referred to as a gender-affirming surgeon.
Gender?
I don't know if there's a specific title.
That's amazing.
Whether or not there's a specific title, there's a specific expertise now that doctors, and they call it top surgery people, that's the euphemism, that do this.
And they say, take a perfectly healthy child, not in a demeaning sense, who suffers from gender dysphoria, who says, I want to be a boy, and they say, okay, well, let's just remove those things.
From my hypochondriacal sort of neurotic perspective, what's that surgery like?
It's general anesthetics, I imagine?
Yes.
And what's the recovery like?
How invasive is this?
What percentage?
They remove lymph nodes, I imagine, breast tissue.
What's the recovery time like?
So the recovery is actually pretty tough.
In the first, you don't get like a four-inch emotion in your arms or upper body until maybe...
Like, nine months to a year.
But...
Yeah, by three months, you're not even allowed to, like, lift your arms up above your head.
It's that bad.
But, um...
So...
The operation that I was, that I went under, um...
It's, the name for it is double mastectomy with nipple grafts, meaning they...
Not only do they remove all the breast tissue and contour it in such a way that is more masculine, they basically, on a section of the skin, they basically, the way it was described to me, it was kind of like scraping your knee, but more controlled.
And they remove the nipple and then place it in a more masculine position.
And that comes with all sorts of side effects.
It's already a major operation.
It takes quite a bit of a toll on the body, but the healing process with the nipple grafts is pretty...
I couldn't even begin to describe how difficult it is.
I knew when I was a kid, I had a good friend who had breast reduction surgery.
Back in the day, this is like 20 some odd years ago, I remember the scar was...
The incision was quite large.
I imagine they've made some advances with that procedure now.
But with this, I presume they have to go make a very large incision.
And I presume they scrape out tissue because it's not just fat and it's not just lymph nodes.
It's muscle and everything.
I presume also in the healing process it fills up with fluid.
It has to be drained.
Infection is a massive concern.
So it wasn't like that for me.
The scars aren't really the issue here.
It's really the graphs that have been the biggest issue for me.
They haven't been correctly healing over.
I was kind of given the impression that those are going to be fully healed or mostly fully healed by maybe nine months to a year, but they're still in the healing process and I've seen some regressions and it's pretty upsetting.
And the graft.
I don't know if I understand what that means.
The graft means they've removed the nipple originally, I guess reshape it or something, and then reattach it in a different location from where it was originally.
Yes.
I'm going to ask a stupid question.
Did anybody explain that this would be the case beforehand or did they just say this is going to be the magical solution and you're going to be a new boy tomorrow?
They explained how it worked to me.
I mean, when you're 15 and you're distressed, you're not really thinking about the full picture of things.
I remember they even told me to my face, like, hey, if you have children in the future, you might not be able to breastfeed.
And this didn't really...
At the time, I wasn't really thinking about this because I was 15. I was a kid.
I was in school.
I was trying to get done with my schooling.
I was trying to fit in with my peers.
Again, I had that groping incident and I was trying to protect myself from that happening never again.
The idea of expecting a 15-year-old kid to be sensitive or to be understanding to what it means to not be able to breastfeed a child at 30. It's an idiotic thing for a doctor to even expect a young person to understand.
It's just a young person's brain.
You cannot even begin to.
Fathom the importance of certain things.
Now, one thing that...
I've said once upon a time, and I still believe it, this entire situation changes once minors who reach adulthood sue the doctors and, in some cases, sue their own parents who allowed this to happen.
When I listened to you speak about...
I forget which video it was, but it was the one that fully sensitized me to how the parents...
I won't say...
Parents are older, they should know better, and they should be looking out to protect their kid, which a lot of them think they are doing because, as you said, the doctor comes in and says, would you rather have a dead daughter or a live son?
So explain how that works from a parent's perspective.
I imagine you've made me much more sensitive to this aspect of it.
They're distressed.
They're facing the real prospect, or at the very least, they're being told by the doctors, if you don't do this, 80% chance, 50% chance your kid commits suicide.
Yeah.
How did that happen?
Or how did that go about?
I actually wasn't there when they were speaking with my parents about this.
I only learned about this when I had a conversation with them about it recently.
They basically told them, hey, transgender adolescents are at a high risk of committing suicide.
If you don't affirm your kid, That'll only raise the risk.
As a parent, when you're told that, if you don't do something that your kids are going to kill yourself, what are you going to do?
You're going to follow the words, right?
You just want to look out for your kid and do what's best for them.
We'll get into more questions in a bit.
Everyone out there, it's easy to be judgmental.
And in some cases, I think people are right to come to certain conclusions.
I think people should be sensitive to that aspect.
I'm reading some of the chat in Rumble where they say, the doctors make this liar.
Or at the very least, it's a partial truth.
Teens or children going through gender dysphoria have an increased likelihood of self-harm, suicidal ideations, suicide.
I'm not sure that they tell the parents that even post-transition, these risks, to the extent that they existed before, don't necessarily go down and might even go up.
But nonetheless, these medical professionals whip parents into a state of panicked frenzy where they are in their own minds now viewing this as a dead daughter or a living son or vice versa.
And I think that's the extent we'll talk about the parents because that's personal family stuff and that's going to be You know, your stuff to go through in the future.
So now you've had the mastectomy, a double mastectomy.
You might not be able to breastfeed your children.
If I may ask the very direct question, are you able, do you know about your fertility?
Yeah, I'm kind of completely in the dark about that, actually.
I haven't been able to get a test.
They're just kind of like, I mean, I did.
Start getting my period about two months after I had stopped taking testosterone.
But, I mean, I haven't been able to get my hands on a fertility test.
I'm not really sure how the process works.
But the medical professionals, even the gynecologist I went to, it's just kind of like, oh, you're getting your periods.
You should be completely fine.
Well, we don't have enough data and people like you say for sure, but it's...
It's nothing to worry about.
That's kind of what I'm given.
And so this process lasted a few years.
When did you come off the puberty blockers and the testosterone?
The puberty blockers, I stopped taking at, I would say, 14 years old.
And then the testosterone, I stopped when I was 16. And the mastectomy was at 15?
15, yeah.
So I stopped.
I de-transitioned about.
I started de-transitioning about 11 months after 11 months post-op.
It will be beyond shocking to anybody that doctors would do this to a 15-year-old kid.
Let me ask you this.
I can imagine the distress, but I can also imagine the resolve.
At what point do you say, holy crap, what have I done?
I've made a mistake.
In the months after my double mastectomy, I actually started feeling a bit of grief.
I wasn't able to really identify the feeling because I never felt anything like that before.
I was so far into this that it was just so difficult to see another way out.
I would say the biggest thing that led me to realizing I shouldn't have done any of this was I was in a...
My junior year, I was taking a course in psychology, and there was a lesson on the Harlow experiments with the rhesus monkeys.
Are you familiar with that?
Is this the one?
Refreshed by me.
I know that I am because my wife, I know that she told me about this, but is that the one?
Is it about positive encouragement?
No, it explores the relationship between mother and infant.
Okay, I don't know that.
It uses...
So there's no actual mother.
There's no actual adult rhesus monkey involved.
So there's infants, and then there's surrogate mothers made of either cloth or wire.
And just the...
I, you know, I was only 16 by this point.
I hadn't really, until then, I hadn't really been thinking about, like, whether I'd be having kids, like, what the process of parenting would be like, whether I'd went to breastfeed.
And so I kind of just realized that because I made a life-changing decision at 15 years old, I wouldn't be able to...
Breastfeed my children or possibly even have children in the future as an adult.
And the feeling.
Is it an instant dread?
Is it a lasting sadness?
And how do you deal with that emotion?
I would say it was a mix of those two.
It's something I'm still struggling with today, actually.
I haven't really gotten any counseling or anything.
I find it's kind of hard to get any real help with this.
I mostly got through it on my own, but seeing that there's people who are like me who are in the same situation does help a little bit.
And having the support of...
Like my family, my older brother, and my parents.
Really, really helpful.
And now, this is something that I wanted to get back to from the beginning, because you talk about community, finding a sense of community.
And you looking up to these social media accounts, and then once you step into this realm, you become something of a, I don't want to say a celebrity, but a star, attention.
I mean, Munchausen by proxy and Munchausen by internet, I believe, are...
Very real things.
And I imagine this is sort of what, you know, you're getting attention, you're getting affirmation, you're getting adulation.
And then, you know, it sinks in.
And set aside the backlash that you get.
Internally, you now say, I've been saying this for so long.
As do most kids when they go through a phase and then they realize, yeah, I don't like the dreadlocks anymore.
Let's cut them off.
Except now this has been a fundamentally identity-defining issue that you now have to come back and say to everyone who's been encouraging you, for lack of a better word, I've made a mistake.
How did that feel?
What ended up happening when you make this decision and make the announcement?
Having to...
Having to admit to everybody around me that I was wrong.
Some people didn't even know that I passed so well that some people didn't even know that I was actually female.
The whole thing was just very humiliating and it was something I felt like I was alone for so long.
Do you look back at pictures?
Have you deleted it?
Do you try to burn it from your memory or do you try to...
Turn this into a positive.
As much as I want to delete and burn all the pictures, I just can't because, I mean, that's a part of my history and I can't forget about it.
I have to learn from it.
How did it work in terms of going to your parents and saying, I think I've made a mistake?
The first time I talked to my mom about my regret, I was so humiliated and frustrated with myself that I just couldn't bring it up to her in person.
I texted her about it, and then the next morning was when I really had the first face-to-face discussion with her and my dad about it.
It was really hard just to talk about for quite a bit.
All right, and how did they respond to the...
I guess it's like, did they feel regret and guilt at what had happened?
All right, and then Chloe, now, so let's say this now.
So you now break out of this community, and I think you discover that you go from being hero to persona non grata.
When do you get vocal about your experience and...
Caution other people against it.
You make the decision, you tell your parents, you're going through a tremendous amount of turmoil yourself.
When do you make the decision to go public and get vocal?
Yeah, so for a while, I actually...
So when I initially started expressing that, I went back on my decision.
I seriously regretted it.
As soon as I expressed regret, people actually started getting really aggressive.
And, you know, I thought it was all my fault.
Like, I should just stay quiet about it because I was making people too uncomfortable.
And for a while, I just didn't speak on it.
I wasn't too vocal about it for a bit.
And then I started realizing it's screwed up that I'm just being silenced for talking about my experience and my changed thoughts and feelings about it.
And realizing that has kind of driven me to...
To start speaking on it, because I've realized that I can't be the only person who is in the situation, and I'm not.
I'm really not.
Somebody has to speak up, and I don't know who else will, so I'm kind of just taking the responsibility upon myself.
The old expression, if not me, who?
If not now, when?
Let's just get into Twitter.
When do you open up a Twitter account?
So I made my Twitter account earlier this year.
I wasn't really too active on Twitter until I realized that I could use it as a platform for this to speak out.
And I've seen the vitriol.
You have scars, psychological and physical, and you have trauma, psychological and physical, but you have strength that you probably don't even know that you have yet to deal with that toxic environment, to come out and put up with the shit that you read in those responses where you, who know better than anybody else out there who has not gone through the same experience, and they're telling you that you got it wrong, that you're a traitor.
It's not shocking to me.
I saw it happen, but you were in it.
How shocking was it to you to now be the target, feel the brunt of this betrayal of people who affirmed your decisions when they agreed with it and then told you that you're an idiot when they disagreed with it?
Yeah, initially it was pretty shocking to see them, to see people just turn their backs on me like that.
And for a while, I actually didn't have any friends either.
I lost a lot of my friends, both online and in person, so I kind of just had to deal with that on my own.
But the more I think about it, the more it makes sense, because it's very...
There's a lot of...
It's just a lot of hug bombing, you could say.
A lot of the support really isn't genuine.
The feeling of community, it's not genuine.
What was the word that you used?
Hood bombing?
Not hoodbombing.
It's basically like if you do say the right thing by their standards, then as long as you do that, they'll give you their support and love.
I'm looking at the chat on Rumble to see who's calling me a boomer for not knowing the word.
It does illustrate a bit of an age difference.
18 now?
Are you still in high school?
No, I just graduated this year, actually.
And what are you doing next year?
Right now, I'm actually taking a class at a community college.
It's just an online class.
But I'm kind of busy with this stuff, so I can't really focus on my education.
In the future, I want to go to a four-year and get a degree.
I'm not exactly sure what I want to major in yet, but there's so many things that I could do, it's kind of overwhelming.
The only problem is life goes by fast and then you're 22. I'm the youngest of five.
My dad said nobody takes a year off school.
Nobody's doing their gap year.
You're staying school because if you don't go, you never go back.
You've gotten active and you've gotten, I'll say, very active.
Once you make the decision to give a thorough, heartfelt speech explaining your history, At an event with Marjorie Taylor Greene.
You're amplifying the message, but how?
How is that going?
You'll find that you're going to have a lot of people shitting on you, but you might find you're going to develop a lot more meaningful, genuine allies.
How has that experience been now that you've gotten super vocal?
I mean...
I actually got a lot of...
I got a lot of hate for teaming up with Marjorie Taylor Greene for this.
But I mean, I've always kind of, it's always kind of been my thing to just go against the grain.
I know that not everybody's going to support everything I do, and I'm okay with that.
I just want to get things done.
And what are you doing now?
So what is the plan to raise awareness and to keep pushing on this?
I'm just going to keep giving my...
I'm just going to keep talking about my experience, and I hope that it changes things.
Now, Chloe, I may have a few more questions, but I'm going to make sure I get to the ones from our locals community.
Hayley B. Shaw asks, why does it appear that the trans movement is targeting more girls and young women?
Do you notice anything about this?
Are they going after in terms of the ideology?
Girls more than boys?
What's been your experience with that?
I don't think they're purposefully targeting more girls than boys.
It's pretty much just anybody who is vulnerable to this.
Those who are neurodivergent, ADHD, or autism, or they suffer with repression, or some sort of trauma, or they're just struggling to socialize and be heard by other people.
But I think girls, especially in this stage, they're a lot more vulnerable.
Especially for, in my experience, like, I was exposed to a lot of, like, super idealized images of women from a young age, a lot of, like, super sexualized content online.
And, like, I feel like since content like that has become more widely available, it's affecting It's disproportionately affecting young women.
They don't fit into this mold, they don't fit into this ideal that they see everywhere, and so they start to wonder.
At least in my experience, for me, it was like, I mean, I don't look or act like this.
I mean, how could I be a woman?
You mentioned it, and it makes me think of this, like in Canada, when it comes to medical assistance and dying, everyone likes the idea of pro-choice, let people do what they want with their bodies.
And then when you find out that it tends to target people who are already suffering from other mental issues, where the question is, is this the best thing for them, or is it actually just...
Either targeting or catering to those who are suffering from mental issues when it comes to the whole trans movement.
In your experience, I know what I think, but in your experience, whether or not it's targeting young kids with issues like autism, depression, other mental issues, or whether or not they are disproportionately attracted to this, is that phenomenon a real phenomenon?
Definitely.
All right.
Let's see here.
Hold on.
The question here.
This one says, no question.
Just want rather a comment.
I think she is a beautiful and courageous young woman with a very bright future.
That's from Stillwater.
In fact, a lot of these are just, please thank her for her courage and strength to do what she knows is right.
Let her know that my prayers are with her.
That's Wajaki.
No questions, but pass my hugs and best wishes.
How does she plan to move forward with her life?
And who is her greatest source of support for recovering from the trauma of this ordeal?
That's a good question.
So, I'd say all things considered, I'm recovering pretty well.
I would say my biggest support would be my older brothers and the friends that I've managed to make after the fact.
Fantastic.
Let's hear.
Oh, and someone here says, you are supported entirely by the chat.
This is Kenzie67.
Love you, Chloe.
Stay strong and carry on with your path.
Name the doctors it needs to be done.
I'm not asking you to do that because people, you can do your homework.
These clinics are not hiding it.
They're very proud of it.
It's a very profitable business.
Old Orkboy says, as a parent of a soon-to-be daughter.
What are some signs we should...
Oh, this is good.
Okay, hold on.
Thank you, Chloe, for speaking out.
Your bravery and courage does not go unnoticed.
I can only imagine what you had to go through.
So thank you now for being an inspiration to others.
As a parent of a soon-to-be teenage daughter, what are some signs we should watch for that she is being influenced and led down this path of evil?
Knowing what you know now, what do you think your parents could have done differently to guide and protect you from transitioning?
What would you do or say to your daughter to protect her and guide her?
Thank you.
Stay strong.
Keep up the good fight.
It's a good question.
What should parents be looking for in children, in their children?
So I think the most obvious things would be, like if they start to withdraw from you and start trying to...
Dissociate from you.
And if they start changing their expression, like, in a really, like, short time frame, if they start presenting differently.
That's what I could think of immediately.
Those would be the most immediate signs.
Chime in just a bit and say, you know, follow their social media.
Because there's a lot of people who say no social media, period, you know, until they're 18. I'm not sure that that's feasible.
But what is feasible is to know passwords and just to see what...
The TikTok, it is, you know, the spiral that it feeds you what you're already viewing.
And so the idea is that if you tap into this, it'll give you more and more of it.
Then, you know, there's also phishing and crafts on TikTok.
So it's not all evil.
You just have to make sure that you're following what your kids are doing.
Entirely cutting it off is going to cause more problems than solutions.
You have to find the balance there.
I would say in order to prevent this, a good idea would be to keep your kids off of social media for as long as you possibly can.
Once they're on it, just monitor their usage, monitor their accounts.
Know the passwords.
Know the passwords, people.
Look at what they're being exposed to, like what they're getting in their feeds.
Someone asked, were you groomed by anybody?
And I presume that means like, did anyone feed these ideas or directly feed?
Yeah, I wouldn't say it was anybody specifically who told me to transition.
It was just kind of like, like it was just kind of like given to me by the algorithm.
Let's hear it.
These are some good questions I didn't get to.
Chloe, what suggested changes should take place in the current medical establishment to better the system to reduce the harm?
We need to start considering the comorbidities that are often, if not always present alongside gender dysphoria.
Because every transgender person that I know, that I've met, and that I know personally, they...
They have either depression or autism or almost all of them.
They've been sexually assaulted or abused at some point or they have a really negative relationship with their family.
And I find that's never really considered at all, whether it be by the transgender people themselves or even the clinics that diagnose them and get them on these treatments.
That's a very good point.
Comorbidities meaning like Other coexisting disorders or mental issues, for lack of a better word.
How was she treated by the trans community prior to her surgery?
How was she treated by the trans community now that she's speaking out?
I think we got to that one.
Have you been just excommunicated entirely and you get the online hate or do you get any support from what might be considered the trans community?
So before my surgery...
I mean, with every milestone I got, I got more and more support from online, especially from other transgender individuals.
And then once I transitioned, I mean, even once I started expressing regret was when people started getting aggressive and saying, like, oh, this is all your fault.
You never deserved to go on testosterone, things like that.
But I kind of...
I still get a lot of that animosity now, but I've met a few transgender people who are supportive of me and they agree that there needs to be a more thorough diagnosis process and that children should not be allowed to do this.
Amazing.
I think we've got all the questions, Chloe.
Everyone needs a white pill.
I always say we need to end things with a white pill and encouragement.
But I think you might need to hear the white pill from people around you.
I know you hear it, but the risk is that sometimes you hear it and you don't actually internalize it or you don't believe it.
People do not believe it.
And I don't know what internal struggles you still go through to what degree.
What you're doing, it's not just brave and it's not just courageous.
And whether or not you think you can handle it at the time, Life doesn't give us the choices sometimes, and you're doing amazing stuff.
And you have a smile that is not a fake smile to conceal the stress.
It's amazing.
And so you're going to meet a lot more.
You're going to make more allies.
And I don't want to say allies.
Genuine, supportive people who are genuinely looking out for your best interest.
And you're going to raise awareness for other people, for parents and for kids.
These are not...
These are not things that should be done to kids, in a great many people's opinion.
Are you working with Marjorie Taylor or any politician to maybe endorse draft, craft legislation on a state-by-state basis to outlaw this type of treatment?
No, I'm not.
I'm not working on any legislation.
Would you be open?
I will speak in support of it, but I've not really directly worked on anything.
Well, we'll see where this goes.
So, where can people find you?
You're on Twitter?
I'm on Twitter, yes.
So, my at is...
It's kind of confusing because it's not my actual name.
It's a nickname.
But it's Chu Cole.
C-H-O-L-O.
Three O's.
And then Cole.
C-O-L-E.
I'm going to pin it in the pinned comment anyhow.
Let me see if I've missed anything.
I don't want to miss any questions in the chat.
Take Courage.
It's a gorgeous smile.
This is Marta.
Chloe, I say this all the time, but I'm not trying to believe in God, but I do believe in some sort of fate.
You're the woman that the time needs right now, and you're making a massive difference and raising awareness for something that people...
It's nice.
People just think it's...
We see those videos from the Boston Children's Hospital and whatever.
We'll just put a pause on puberty.
And then people don't know that they're actually performing double mastectomies.
On teenagers.
At first, they deny it, and then they slowly admit it when it becomes undeniable.
And then they say it's a good thing.
And then, oh, oops, we made a mistake.
All right.
Is there anything you want to leave us with, Chloe?
Well, first of all, thank you for having me on, and thank you to everybody who's tuned in, and thank you for all the kind words.
It's amazing.
You're doing great.
Stick around.
We will say our proper goodbyes.
Everyone in the chat, thank you very much.
Snip, clip, share this away.
And I'll let you know everybody where you can find Chloe and follow the journey because I think this is...
In as much as the trans movement exploded 10,000% or whatever over the last decade, awareness is also going to expand exponentially with you, Matt Walsh.
There's another name that I'm forgetting right now, but people are raising awareness about this because...
It's something that has to, not to get political, it's something that has to come to an end when it comes to kids, period.
Yeah, it really shouldn't be a partisan issue.
Chloe, stick around.
We're going to say our proper goodbyes.
Everyone in the chat, thank you.
And I'll see everybody tonight for the sidebar with Rich Dad, Poor Dad, author.