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Aug. 21, 2022 - The Unexplained - Howard Hughes
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Edition 658 - Andrea Perron And James Fox
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My name is Howard Hughes and this is The Unexplained.
Well, I hope everything is good with you wherever in the world you happen to reside.
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Famous last words, but maybe we've seen the worst of the fiery hot temperatures and the incredible humidity.
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We've had some of those on the show, though, haven't we?
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A couple of things from my TV show to make sure that they're here in perpetuity.
First of all, we're going to hear from Andrea Perrin.
It's an update from Andrea.
She will be speaking with us as she did on the TV show direct from the Conjuring House.
Andrea Perrin, of course, one of the Perron family who lived in a remarkably haunted and some say possessed house, but there were many ups and downs of living in this place, and we'll discuss that.
And also a new documentary that's going to be, depending on when you hear this, on Blaze TV in the United Kingdom on the 29th of August.
But check out Blaze TV's website for the real conjuring story and Andrea Perrin and the Perrin family feature in that.
It is an astonishing story.
So Andrea Perrin, first off, speaking, as I say, direct from that house.
Amazing.
And then the next thing we'll talk about is something that I think is going to interest you enormously.
It is a new documentary being done by James Fox, very famous documentary maker, filmmaker.
And he spoke with us direct from a rooftop in New York, live, about his new documentary to do with the Virginia UFO case in Brazil, being described as Brazil's Roswell, a case of not only a craft, but also beings that people encountered.
I think we've talked tangentially about that on this show, but I think you'll be amazed at what he has to say.
Sir James Fox, the second guest on this edition of the podcast, taken from the TV show.
I think that's probably all I have to say for now.
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All right, let's get to the first of those guests then from my TV show.
From The Conjuring and Direct from The Conjuring House, so-called.
This is Andrea Perrin.
Andrea Perrin was on this show at the end of last year, and we had a conversation that when I was doing the show for two years out of my little flat, my apartment, was a very warm conversation about a very terrifying experience.
If you've seen the movie The Conjuring, which I think was made in 2013, 2014, has been on the TV a couple of times since then here in the UK.
This is a family in the United States, a family with five daughters who move into a house that they believe is going to be their country dream.
It turns out to be the complete opposite.
The most terrifying, scarifying, and astonishing things happen at this house.
Andrea Perrin, from her biography, is the oldest child of the Perrin family.
She's written two books detailing her bizarre encounters, is completing a third installment, I think that's done now, of the House of Darkness, House of Light series.
She's written all about this, and if you went through something like that, you would.
Andrea's online to us now.
Andrea, how are you?
Oh, I'm wonderful.
And it's so great to see you again, dear.
How nice to, you know, you get a vision of somebody in your head when you're doing, you know that you've done loads of these things.
You must often think, what does that person look like?
But to actually see them in their environment, it's so nice to see you.
But, you know, I know that this year hasn't been the easiest, has it?
No, it's, well, there's no such thing as an easy year.
We have to take the good with the bad, the dark and the light.
We live in a three-dimensional world.
And, you know, we all have to cope with the duality of that.
But you know me well enough to know I always keep it light and love, always, because if you, I tell people all the time, just be the light that you seek.
And nothing will permeate that.
No darkness can touch it.
And that's how I've lived my entire life.
And I'm coming to you tonight or this evening from the home that I grew up in, what is now known as the Conjuring House, but is actually the Richardson Arnold Homestead in Harrisville, Rhode Island.
And I'm here to do an event and it happened to coincide with our interview.
Astonishing.
So anything could happen, as they say, in the next half hour.
My God.
I've only ever seen that house from the outside.
I've had to imagine it from the inside.
So in terms of the layout of this house, and I think was it built in 1726?
1736.
1736.
Okay, in terms of the layout, where are you now?
Which bit of it are you in?
I'm in the summer kitchen, and which is the coolest part of the house.
Although if any kind of spirit comes around, generally the temperature will drop another 20 degrees.
So I'll let you know if I'm being accompanied on our interview or if anybody just happens to see something moving around me or shadow or anything.
You know what I'm doing?
I'm looking in the background.
I'm looking for odd pixels and strange things.
So far, so good, but we'll keep checking.
I mean, you said with a wry smile and a bit of a laugh, which is one of your great hallmarks, having spoken with you before.
You said, you know, if a spirit appears, that temperature will go down.
but that is something that still happens there, isn't it?
Well, it is, and you know, I think that it's interesting that you're bringing James Fox on after me because he's a friend of mine, and I also knew him very well because I had my first UFO experience right outside that window when I was 13.
So that was exactly 50 years ago.
And this is what I have always described as a portal cleverly disguised as a farmhouse.
There is so much activity here.
There are at least a dozen spirits that are routinely here.
And some, I don't know if they come and go or if they're always here.
And sometimes they make their presence known and other times they do not.
But one of the things that I was so pleased about with this upcoming documentary, and you know, I've made many.
I've done a lot of TV shows and put our story out in myriad ways.
And yes, all three of my books are done.
I finished the third book and released it right after The Conjuring came out.
And the trilogy is House of Darkness, House of Light.
It bears no actual resemblance to The Conjuring, which is why when I began working with the crew that made the documentary that you are about to air soon in the UK.
That's the real conjuring story.
The real conjuring story.
Five of the seven members of my family were involved in that production.
And you will get the raw, honest truth of our experiences here, not just from myself, but from my sisters, Nancy, Christine, Cindy, and my father, Roger.
All right.
Let's walk ourselves through the story for those who didn't hear you on this show.
And, you know, every time you have another conversation with somebody you've spoken with before, you tend to approach it from a different way.
So I think we just need to lay the groundwork here.
Sure.
And then we'll talk about your perceptions of it, because your perceptions of living there and being there were not what I expected.
I expected you to be somebody who's so terrified by the experiences there that you'd never go near that place, let alone be sitting in it talking to me right now.
Okay.
Your parents, Roger and Carolyn, bought the Home of Their Dreams, quote, in 1970.
And this is that house built in 1736, beautiful country area, you know, nothing not to like.
But the first indication that there might be something awry or amiss was the previous owner.
I think this house had been in the same family, hadn't it, for a very long time, if not forever.
Yes.
So you were the first departure.
This last owner, Earl Kenyon, took your father aside and said, which would put the fear of you know what into me, but he said to your father, if I were you, I'd leave some lights on at night.
Yes.
So that was the first indication that there might be something different.
And the thing that was bizarre about that is Mr. Kenyon never told us that the house was inhabited, that we were sharing space.
It was not something that I think that he wanted to, you know, I mean, it was a different time.
And this was a very, very taboo subject.
So, you know, I understand that it was not something that he wanted to discuss.
But what I do know is that he was trying to forewarn my father that not only was he moving five little girls into a very old house that was new to them, all of our bedrooms were on the top floor and there were two very narrow, treacherous stairways coming down and there was only one bathroom on the first floor.
So the way my father interpreted what he was saying at that time was, you don't want your kids tumbling down the stairs, going to the bathroom in the middle of the night, leave the lights on.
But as we lived here for a while, we found out from people that lived in the area that there was never a time at night that they drove past this house that every single light was on in this house all night long.
And we believed that it was the way that Mr. and Mrs. Kenyon kept the spirit activity at bay.
But this house was built by the Richardson family.
And then because women were not allowed to own property back in the 1700s, through marriage, it became what was known as the Arnold estate.
But prior to us moving in and buying the house in 1970, even the Kenyans were related to the original owners.
And so eight generations of one extended family lived and died in this house.
That's an extraordinary left.
Extraordinary lineage.
I mean, these days, we know in America it's a very litigious society, but the law basically says in America, doesn't it?
If you're selling your home and it's seriously haunted, you have to put that in the description, in the estate agents, in the property agent's description.
But that was not the case then.
No, it was not the case then.
And one thing that I really need to make note of is that, you know, having just returned from Scotland, it confirmed my suspicions about people in the UK.
And that is that, you know, you're just so much more sophisticated about this subject over there, which stands to reason.
I mean, a lot of you live in houses that are five, six, hundred years old.
I think we've got a bit more in the way of history, but nevertheless, 1736, that's a good long time for a home to be standing.
And of course, you know, when you live in a place like that, it's going to gather a certain amount of what's going on.
Residual energy.
Yeah, residual energy, exactly.
Now, your father was a very down-to-earth guy, and he did not for a long period accept that there was anything going on there.
So what was it that persuaded him?
You'd been having experiences, you and your sisters, but he'd been dismissing them.
What was it that persuaded him that all was not quite what it seemed to be?
When one of the spirits formed an attachment to him and she seemed to have an attraction to him.
She seemed to want to touch him.
And even after that began, he was trying to dismiss it as it must be something else.
It just must be something else because ghosts don't exist.
And then my mother and father had an altercation about, we were into our second year living here.
And he's like, well, you know, it just, it's got, there's got to be another explanation.
And my mother said to him, the only plausible explanation for what is happening in this house is that spirits exist, Roger.
And guess what?
Their existence is not contingent upon your belief in them.
And that was the end of that conversation.
And I was present for it.
And I remember writing it down because I thought my mother said exactly the right thing.
And later that night was the first time that he ever confessed to her that he had been having experiences as well.
Didn't take more than 40 years to admit he was afraid because of her.
Well, you would be because one of them, I think, was he was attacked to the point where he was, wasn't he scoured down his back?
Yes.
Yes.
He was in bed with my mother when a spirit approached her and just leaned right over her.
It's one of the chapter is The Kiss of Death in my first volume.
And it was a horrifying experience for my mother.
And she tried every way she knew to wake him up.
She took her hands and she plunged them into his long black hair and twisted his hair and yanked his head.
And as she was doing that, she thought he was dead and she was next because there was no motion, no movement.
And as she pulled his body closer to her by the hair, the quilt fell off of his body and his bare back looked like serrated knives had just dragged down his skin.
And from that point, as the song says, he was a believer.
My goodness.
Just to tell my viewer that we've got a little bit of digital latency here, but a fantastic connection, latency being delay.
So sometimes it will appear that we're talking over each other slightly, but fantastic connection.
And, you know, I'm sure that you don't want anything to appear during this broadcast.
I have to say that, you know, as long as it was quite benign, if there was something there, then it would be quite good for us, I think, if it did appear.
I have no objection to them being around me.
Well, there wasn't.
Let's invite, if you believe in such things, let's invite them to appear during our broadcast here.
We have no fear.
Andrea Perrin is actually in the Conjuring House.
I didn't know she would actually be there.
Andrea Perrin is actually in the house built in 1736.
So far, nothing particularly spooky or paranormal has happened, but there's still time.
And still time for your questions if you want to tweet any in.
Right, let's talk about the instances, some of them that happened, because some of the things that happened there were so terrifying that you feared for a while that your mother was on the verge of possession.
I didn't fear that.
Mrs. Warren, a Lorraine Warren, feared that.
That's Ed and Lorraine Warren, the famous ghost investigator.
Yes.
I think you appealed for help, didn't you?
Or somebody appealed for help on your behalf and they virtually moved in for a while.
Yes, someone appealed for help to the Warrens on our behalf.
We had no idea who they were when they showed up at the door the night before Halloween, 1973.
They only came five times over the course of about a year and a half.
The last time that they came to the door was to see if my mother was still alive, because the last time that they had come, they appeared with an entourage, a priest, a medium, and cinematographers, audio specialists, and insisted that a seance was necessary to be performed in the house because Mrs. Warren feared that my mother was being oppressed and was dangerously close to possession.
What happened that night was the most terrifying experience of my life.
Thankfully, my mother has no recollection of it at all, and I'm so grateful for that.
But everyone else that was present in the house that night was quite sure that they had just seen my mother die.
And that is childhood trauma that keeps on giving throughout the course of a lifetime.
Every time I'm here and I walk through the room where that happened, I feel a shudder and a shiver because I remember seeing my mother suspended in midair in the chair in which she sat.
And within a split second, she was thrown from the middle of our parlor, our dining room, into the middle of our parlor.
And when her head struck the floor, it rang throughout the house.
And I couldn't imagine that she could have survived that kind of an injury.
How old were you when that happened?
How old were you when that happened?
I was 15 when that happened.
And my father threw the Warrens and everybody out of the house that night.
So they weren't sure if she was alive.
She had suffered a very severe concussion.
My father, who was trained as a medic, he's the one that monitored her vital signs and brought her back.
And then the Warrens came a couple of months later and they waited until my father's car was not here to make sure, because it was a very ugly altercation that occurred that night.
And I do believe that he speaks about this at length in the documentary.
It changed everything.
It really did.
from that point on, my mom really shut down.
It was a difficult period of time.
She had sustained a very bad injury.
As the Warrens were leaving the house, Mr. Warren ran into me as I was in the front foyer, the hallway, and I was crying.
And he said, don't call the police.
Well, that was the, you know, this 911 didn't exist yet.
I would have literally had to call the police directly to get an ambulance up here.
And he told me not to.
But indeed, if you had called the police, if it was easy to do, what on earth would you tell them?
That's the thing, isn't it?
What would you say?
And that's what he was afraid of.
You know, but to me, my mother's health and well-being was more important than the Warren's reputation.
And that's why, one of the reasons why they exited at that point.
Some of the things that were happening to your mother, and they talked about, I mean, I didn't, I'd forgotten this story, but it's on the documentary in some detail.
Your mother brought home some oranges.
I think a bag of orange, you know, like in the old days, they used to have these netting bags that you bring them home in.
Put them on the kitchen table, and those oranges bled.
And it wasn't juice from the orange.
It was blood, apparently.
It was just one.
It was at about 10 feet from here is the hearthstone where this occurred.
And my mom told us to go get some oranges.
Dad had gone shopping that morning, and she asked me to bring one to her.
And my mother always would cut a hole in the top of the orange and squeeze the juice out and then eat, you know, the meat.
It was just a southern thing.
She's from Georgia.
It was a thing that she grew up doing.
And, you know, we were all having our oranges.
Everybody was enjoying this fresh fruit.
And she sliced into her orange and blood just started bubbling up out of the top of it.
I mean, literally bubbling up and coagulating on her feet as it dripped down her legs onto her feet.
And we thought she had cut herself while she was cutting into the knife.
And that wasn't cutting into the orange with the knife.
And that was not the case at all.
Blood just poured out the top of the orange and she kept squeezing it and squeezing it.
And it was all running down her legs and her feet.
And there it coagulated and she had to use peroxide to get it off.
It was one of the most bizarre things I have ever seen.
I mean, these days they'd forensically analyze that.
Of course, you couldn't do that then.
There was an occurrence that was the most terrifying thing to me, that something was screaming at somebody in the house.
I've got a note of it here, that there were seven dead soldiers buried in the walls.
That happened to my sister, Cindy.
Cindy passed away when she was two months old during a major surgery, and they brought her back, but she had crossed.
And so we think that the spirits recognized that she was at least to some extent one of them.
So she seemed to be targeted.
And as soon as we moved in, she would hear voices all around her bed at night, and they kept saying the same thing in unison over and over again.
And that was, there are seven dead soldiers buried in the wall.
There are seven dead soldiers buried in the wall.
Well, this house has horse hair and clapboard walls.
It couldn't have been in the house.
But recently, the owner had some forensics analysis done with underground penetrating radar right behind my back at the bottom of the backyard.
There's a stone wall, and they found a number of anomalies down next to the stone wall.
And when you consider that this house was an original colonial home and that it existed 40 years before the signing of the Declaration of Independence and it survived the Revolutionary War, the King Philip's War, the Doar Rebellion, the Civil War, this was an area of Rhode Island that was routinely involved in conflicts.
And so there's no surprise that there are anomalies down at the bottom of the Stonewall.
And frankly, I'm glad to know that because I wondered all these years, you know, 50 plus years, you know, what does this mean?
Where could this be?
And I thought that if something was buried on the property, it would be behind the retaining wall, but it's not.
It's down at the bottom of the hill about two acres away.
And it's amazing, but in the state of Rhode Island, you cannot exhume anything from the ground legally.
And so all they've got are the images from the radar.
But in a way, it satisfies me and answers a question because an awful lot of red coats from England went missing on this property.
Boy.
And we don't really have time to do this justice, but the biggest story that happened there that we haven't talked about is the murder.
There was a mother who killed her children, wasn't there there?
And she was accused of being a witch.
Have I got that the right way around?
Well, the reason that I agreed to do this documentary is because it approaches this particular subject with integrity and a thorough approach to it that no one else has done.
Unfortunately, Bathsheba Sherman has been vilified in life and death and afterlife.
And I don't believe that what she was accused of actually happened.
I think that the story was that she was not an owner of this house.
She did not live here.
She lived in an adjacent farm.
But of course, there were only a few homesteads in the area back in the 1800s when she was here.
And there was some accusation at the time that a baby died in her care in this house.
And there were whisperings around town that she was practicing witchcraft.
Right.
So some of this could have been gossip.
Yes.
And also, you know, it was, I mean, even 100 years before, had that word witch been thrown around, she could have paid with her life for it.
But the woman is buried on hallowed ground in the middle of Harrisville, a few miles from here.
And three of her four children passed away before the age of four, and they are all buried beside her.
Only her son, Herbert, survived her.
And her husband is buried there.
And you know as well as I do that if there was any legitimate charge of being a practitioner of witchcraft, that she would not be buried within the gates of the graveyard.
So effectively, and not to put it in a trivial way, but the thought today is, and it comes out in the documentary, which I saw this morning.
She got a bad rap.
I want to fire at you just a couple of questions from viewers.
I've just got a couple here that I want to get.
PJ says, any of this stuff that you talked about in the documentary and that is extensively in the books, any of it ever been caught on film?
Yes.
Yes, actually, quite a bit has been caught on film in this house in subsequent years since we left.
And it's a compilation of evidence, I think, second to none.
If people want to, my website's down for updating right now, but there are numerous places where this is available.
Okay.
So that's PJ, check that out online.
Tell me what you think.
Nats says, did you, and look, we had a conversation about this that we can't replicate now because there isn't time.
But you said to me that over the years, despite the awful things that happened in that house, you still managed to have a happy, reasonably loving childhood and come out the balanced person that you are.
So Nats asks this, can I ask Andrea if she ever feels, um, I've got that wrong.
Nats is the next one.
Anthony says, did you ever feel that any of these entities and presences were almost becoming friends?
Did you feel that you were bonding with them?
I did.
I felt I was never challenged or in any way threatened in this house.
It was almost like I was one of the family with them, and I would be the one that documented all of the events that happened in journals, which I used extensively 40 years later to create my books.
And I always felt like I belonged here.
I had a sense of belonging and a familiarity and a familial attachment to this house that to this day I cannot explain.
I did see an apparition in this house once that looked like me as an older woman.
And I was 17 years old when I saw her.
And she looks remarkably like how I look now.
So I have to wonder if I have a real history with this house, you know, in terms of reincarnation, which, you know, I'm not convinced one way or the other if we are recycled souls or not.
But I do have an attachment to this house.
It's the only place that I have ever felt at home in in my life anywhere.
You look incredibly comfortable there.
I love it here.
I love it.
Isn't that interesting?
And this is the question from Nets.
You might have partly answered this, but looking back and now, do you ever feel scared in that place?
No.
No, I have no fear of any of the activity in this house.
They know when I'm coming.
If there's an investigative group here prior to my arrival, they will tell the spirits that I'm coming and they get disembodied voices saying aloud, we know.
I'm expected.
And when I'm here, I have such a sense of belonging and well-being.
Nothing, no dark energy comes around me, darling.
It doesn't dare.
It just doesn't dare.
So no, isn't that interesting?
I even love the cranky ones.
I do.
I even love the cranky, disruptive ones because, you know, to me, it doesn't even matter who they were in life, that they still are in afterlife.
That's the miracle.
That's the magic.
You know, that's the comfort that the paranormal can bring to people's lives.
It's that it's not all over and done with when we die.
We are energy.
We transform.
And this is a multi-dimensional place that I'm in right now.
And so we never knew if it was going to be 1976 or 1840 the next minute, or if we were going to encounter somebody from the 1700s.
There is a swirling sense of timelessness here that I'm comfortable in.
It makes sense to me.
Isn't that interesting?
And I'm almost getting the sense, and we never talked about this last time, that those people who have problems with what may be there, and I suspect if you buy into all of this, and I do to an extent that there are presences and recordings of the past and entities, if you want to call them that, everywhere we go.
It is, as you say, it's part of now, the present, the future, all time.
It's just natural.
But those who go against that and those who question it and those who fear it and those who don't understand it more importantly, they're the ones who might have a problem.
Now, this is just me talking.
I'm not a scientist.
I don't know.
But it seems to me that's what you just said.
You have a grasp of this that has depth.
You don't just rely on deductive reasoning.
You have a grasp of this subject.
I've known you long enough and done enough work with you to know that you really do get it.
And you're absolutely right.
And what I tell people before they make the excursion to this house is woe be unto you if you walk into that house and you provoke.
Do not.
You show respect for the spirits, reverence for the spirits of this house.
It was Their house first.
You're the intruder.
And what happens?
And I'm sorry to just jump in here because you know what it's like, especially on television, the clock's always timing you down.
Those who think that it's all hooey and visit that place with that kind of mindset, what do they encounter?
Those who think that it's all nonsense, there's no such thing.
What there is is what there is, and that's it.
How do they get on there?
It's not my job to convince them of anything, nor is it if they gravitate to this house, they're supposed to.
And I can tell you that a number of skeptics have passed through this house, and they are no longer skeptics.
And I'll just leave it at that.
Right.
The documentary is well worth seeing.
It's beautifully done.
And it's nice to see that the family are on that documentary.
And I suspect from the look on your face now when you talk about that documentary, you're happier with the documentary than the movie.
Oh, my God, yes.
You know, and The Conjuring, I'm grateful for The Conjuring.
I wouldn't be one of the best-selling authors in this genre had it not been for The Conjuring.
But it bears no resemblance.
The real truth is so much more compelling, so much more deeply spiritual, and so much more enlightening than your average, you know, well-made horror movie.
There's no comparison.
So anybody that's really actually interested, watch the documentary, get the books, dive in, and when you come up for air on the other end, you will be changed.
You will think differently about everything.
The documentary is the real conjuring story.
I'm most impressed that not one single pot has fallen from a shelf.
Not one single cat has leapt from the foreground or background.
There have been no strange winds or breezes and nothing has screamed or shrieked or squealed during this conversation, Andrea.
So that tells us something, but you seem to be perfectly at one with your environment and it's lovely to see you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
My pleasure.
Andrea Perrin.
Talking from the house where it all happened, I didn't realize that she'd be coming to us from the venue, but you don't get any better than that.
That house built in 1736 with a bit of a past on it, I think you could say.
Andrea Perrin will always be one of my favorite guests.
I love the way that she phrases things, and I just like the way that she does what she does.
Right, the next guest from my TV show, James Fox, about his new documentary to do with the Virginia UFO case and contact case in Brazil.
This is what he had to say.
And remember, as we were speaking these words, he was standing on top of a building in New York City on a blazing crystal blue sky day.
This is James Fox.
James, thank you for doing this.
Oh, my God.
It's a pleasure.
I wouldn't have made it for anybody else.
Wow.
You got the great big blue New York skyline and you got the buildings, the landscape, the topography behind you.
How fab is that?
Where exactly in New York are you?
I'm in Midtown.
You can see the backdrop behind me.
I came down to New York City for some business and you invited me on your show.
I said, look, I'll find a spot to do this interview.
And I have a rooftop location, so I'm sorry if the audio is a little poor.
It's fine.
Forgive the glasses.
I'm trying to look cool, but I'm also, you know, it's kind of bright up here.
Yeah, no, it is.
I mean, New York, unless you've been there, and I'm lucky enough to have spent a certain amount of time in my life in New York, some of it around the sad events of 9-11 and some of it I've been there on pleasure trips.
But all through the year, the quality of that light that you can see behind you is so different from anywhere else.
We've got to remember, it's a different latitude from the United Kingdom.
It's very, very different, but it's crystal, isn't it?
And I can see that tonight.
Wow.
It's absolutely phenomenal.
There's a building behind me.
You might be able to see it.
It's called the Edge.
Yeah, I see it.
I got it.
It's the tallest building out there with its sort of pin top.
Anyway, I went up there yesterday and it's kind of a bit of a touristy thing to do, but the view from the edge was out of, kind of like my movies, out of this world.
Because, you know, I mean, look, we've got to stop talking about New York, but it's so, I mean, it just takes me back to so many wonderful times that I had there.
But, you know, if you get a high spot in New York and you get that beautiful, clear sky around you, then literally, like the song says, you can see forevermore.
It's amazing.
Got to talk about the latest documentary.
Now, I've got two different titles for this documentary from two different websites that I've looked at.
What's it called?
It's called Moment of Contact.
You know, I never have a title for any film I've ever made until the last possible moment.
And I always say, it'll come to me and when it does, I'll know that it's the right title.
And I was interviewing a couple of witnesses that came within 10 feet in broad daylight of a sentient being.
Very credible testimony.
And I said, during the moment of contact, did you experience any level of communication?
And I thought to myself, during the moment of contact, moment of contact, I like that title.
How about making the film called Moment of Contact?
And that's how the title came about.
And, you know, there are those coming from a journalistic background, as I do.
There are those who say somewhat cynically that there are no new titles and there are no new forms of words, but I'm not aware of any other moment of contact.
I think it's a great title.
And I'm glad you've settled on that one in the end.
So this is all about one of the greatest stories in all of ufology.
And because it didn't happen in the United States or somewhere in the southeast of England, a lot of people hadn't heard about it until recent years when more people started talking about it and various books started talking about it.
This is a place in Brazil.
I'm probably going to mispronounce it.
Is it Varginha?
Is that how you say it?
Varginha.
Varginha.
This is a place called Varginha in Brazil.
I think the year is 1996.
Okay.
1996?
Two years after Rua, Zimbabwe.
Case.
Now, isn't that interesting?
The confluence of times.
But this is an event where not only people saw a strange craft or strange craft, but they also came into contact with beings.
South America seems to have a lot of stories like this, but this is the story to end all stories.
Yeah, I'll say to your viewers, your audience: I do not expect you to believe this case at all.
I wouldn't if I were you.
But after having spent 12 years investigating, been there four times, months at a time, I'm absolutely convinced beyond a shadow of doubt that an object, an unknown object, crashed and that beings, multiple, were witnessed in the town of Argenia in January, 1996.
I mean, that's just, you know, you just have to replay what you just said.
You know, a craft and beings.
And I think these beings were like four foot tall.
The description I've got here is brown, oily skin, a large head and huge red eyes.
I mean, you know, if you ever were to describe aliens, there they are.
So the most basic question of journalism is what happened.
So what happened?
The people who encountered that, what stories did they tell?
So again, I have to emphasize this over and over because I just, as someone who's made six documentaries on the topic of unidentified aerial phenomenon, UFOs, I do not expect anyone to believe this happened because I didn't believe it.
I really didn't.
In fact, I remember I gave a credit to a fellow, a buddy of mine that we did out of the blue together in the movie because he said, I turned you on to this case back in the late 90s and you didn't believe me.
I said, yeah, I'm sorry, Tim.
I didn't believe you because I thought there's no way that an event of this magnitude could occur and the whole world not know about it.
So I didn't even do it for 10 years.
It is astonishing, isn't it?
It's 1996, and that is not that long ago.
If you're me and if you're you, maybe some people born after that time will say different, but you know, it seems very recent.
And you would have thought, and I was around, I was on air in London, I was on Capitol Radio on the biggest morning drive show in the United Kingdom and in Europe.
I never heard about this.
I'd heard very little about it.
And we uncovered testimony, and I'm sorry that I didn't get a copy of the film to you prior to this interview.
We uncovered testimony that's never been seen or heard on this case of people that came in direct contact of a live creature, unknown creature, in broad daylight.
People that allegedly drove the creature around in an official capacity for the Brazilian military.
Doctors that took autopsies and x-rays of the creature, all on camera, all testifying as to what their first-hand experiences were with this case.
And I promise you, as sensational as the trailer might come across, moment of contact, it delivers.
You will believe this case after you watch this movie.
You know what?
Not watch the movie.
After you hear the testimony of the people that were there.
I mean, look, it is.
Astonishing doesn't cover it, but it's an astonishing story.
Like you say, I haven't had a copy of it, so I haven't seen it.
I've read about it.
Have you got pictures of the creatures?
That's, uh...
But can't say right now.
Let me answer the question by, I'm just trying to not expose our contacts and also tell your audience kind of what I know.
We have located both photographic and video evidence, yes.
Okay, well, that's a start.
I mean, that's going to wrap up.
I'm not trying to evade the question or spike.
I don't want that to come across the wrong way.
But to answer your question, yes, we have.
All right, you've got the material.
And is that material, which presumably isn't in the documentary, are you going to release that at some point?
Will you be able to?
It's not in the documentary yet.
Yet.
We have, God, there's so much stuff I'd like to go into, and I just don't want to compromise or jeopardize our efforts.
Plus also, we've got less than two minutes, so there's not much we can say.
I don't want your audience to think, well, you know, what is this guy just dancing around this issue?
Just imagine for a moment, yes, we have located the evidence, and we've offered an extremely large cash prize for said evidence, and we're working on it.
Right, so you know where it is, and you're trying to obtain it.
How cool is that?
That is speaking to me from the location that you're speaking to me from.
That's a hell of a thing to drop on the world.
But if you're going to drop something like that on the world, you might as well do it from where you're standing, James.
That's astonishing.
Look, I love talking with you.
We need to talk longer.
What's the take?
All right.
Since I've only got 45 seconds, what's the takeaway point that people should gather from this?
That a UFO crashed and that beings were recovered.
Beings were captured, recovered, and eventually we have compelling testimonials.
I'm continuing this story as an ongoing, unfolding story, but that I want to find out where ultimately the bodies ended up.
We know they're in the United States and who has the authority to release this evidence.
And again, I tell your audience, I do not expect you to believe this because it's too outside the realm of believable.
But I promised you in my 30-year career, I would not put my own Reputation on the line if I didn't sincerely and honestly believe this happened.
Moment of contact is the name of the documentary.
James Fox, who's in New York, you lucky man.
Thank you so much.
We need to talk about this again.
I need to see the documentary.
And James Fox, if you can still hear me, have one of those beautiful American breakfasts for me because I am longing for one of those, you know, with the hash browns and the real orange juice and all the rest of it.
The great James Fox talking about his new project.
Don't miss that.
And before that, Andrea Perrin speaking direct from the Conjuring House in the United States, talking about that new documentary airing on Blaze TV in the UK.
So two remarkable people and two documentaries we've been talking about, and those things both taken from my TV show.
More great guests in the pipeline here at the home of the unexplained in London.
So until next we meet, my name is Howard Hughes.
This has been The Unexplained Online, and please, whatever you do, stay safe, stay calm, and above all, please stay in touch.
Thank you very much.
Take care.
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