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Edition 429 - Maria Wheatley

Maria Wheatley is an accomplished dowser and expert on ancient sites - we talk about Avebury, Stonehenge and many more...

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	Across the UK, across continental North America and around the world on the internet, by webcast and by podcast, my name is Howard Hughes and this is The Unexplained.
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	The guest on this edition of the show is somebody who, well, let me quote from her biography.
	That's the best.
	For nearly 30 years, author and researcher Maria Wheatley has researched megalithic sites worldwide.
	Maria is a second-generation dowser and geomancer who is the UK's leading authority on the geodetic earth energies, ley lines and grid lines.
	She's lectured worldwide and has shown the British dowsers and other dowsing societies how to locate and find geodetic earth energies.
	Maria has worked alongside experts like Rodney Hale to prove the existence of earth energies and how the stones can transmit electromagnetic energies.
	So a lot of this is about energy, but also a lot of this is about ancient civilizations and famous ancient sites like Stonehenge and Avebury here in the UK, which many people from all over the world come to visit every year.
	And they have a presence and a power about them that many people have remarked on.
	And, you know, the only way to do this properly is to come and see them for yourself and stand, for example, as I have done on a number of occasions in front of Stonehenge.
	Tell me how you feel when you do.
	And I think you may feel different as a before and after.
	But let me know.
	So Maria Wheatley coming soon.
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	All right, let's get across the UK to Maria Wheatley now.
	We have a lot to discuss.
	Maria, thank you for coming on my show.
	And thanks for having me, Howard.
	So first of all, Maria, I think our listeners across the UK, but certainly in the US, will be interested to know.
	Now, I know, but you tell them where you are.
	Well, I'm very fortunate.
	I'm very close to the world's largest stone circle called Avebury Henge, and I'm also close to Stonehenge.
	And I live in a beautiful 12th century market town called Marlborough.
	Yeah, no, it's a wonderful place.
	And if you're visiting the UK, then you need to go there because it is one of the stops on your trip if you're interested in stuff like this.
	If you're interested in Stonehenge and the Stone Circles generally, that is a great place to go.
	And as we both know, it's a very, very spiritual, very, very, and this is not a word that I use routinely, but it's a very, very energetic area.
	Absolutely, it is.
	And a lot of alternative researchers put that down to the energies of the place.
	And the ancient ancestors certainly seemed to want to put particular energies into sites to do with things like underground water or ley lines or earth currents.
	And there's been a lot of investigation.
	And I've actually taken a scientific team out with me to try and prove or disprove the existence of, you know, alternative ideas.
	And there seems to be some, if you're interested in UFOs, then that area is a hotspot for UFOs.
	And it always has been.
	There are people who report them, you know, any week of the year, you will get a report from that whole area.
	So there seems to be, if you follow this line of thinking, there seems to be something that attracts phenomena like that to that area.
	We don't understand what it is, but we know that it's a fact.
	Well, when I did a TV series with the UFO hunters from America, they looked at different sites worldwide, and this is what they noted.
	They noticed that ancient sites were quite often close to military establishments, which contained a vortex within the site itself, whether that was Sedona in America or Stonehenge here in the UK, which is literally surrounded by military establishment after military establishment.
	And I myself have had several UFO experiences in this area.
	Okay, can you talk to me about any of those before we get stuck into the conversation?
	One of the experiences I had was from an Iron Age hill fort called Oliver's Castle near a market town called Devises.
	And I was there with a friend on Midsummer's Eve and we were just, you know, enjoying the countryside.
	And there was an amber object that seemed to be coming towards our general direction, which then stopped.
	And then remarkably and truly, it just expanded and expanded and expanded till it was a very large cigar-shaped object that seemed to be solid at the top, but oddly swirls of mist below.
	Then it contracted to its former size and sped off.
	I mean, that's fascinating in itself, but the number of people who I've talked with over the years and the number of people that I've Read about, who've had experiences like that in that area.
	It's phenomenal.
	It's much more, for some reason, and you hinted at what the reason might be, it's much more than you would find in an area, for example, like the part of London that I live in.
	I do think that is down to the ancient sites of this area, because on the Salisbury Plain alone, which the military have, you know, no-go zones for public access, there used to be back in the Neolithic and Bronze Age periods, nearly 2,000 ancient sites on the Salisbury Plain alone.
	So, I mean, that was the megalithic capital of the ancient world.
	It was the Mecca.
	And what do you think?
	And I'm going to talk about you and wind this back to the beginning, but this is just fascinating.
	I don't want to lose this now.
	What do you think it is that they, and I'm talking about the ancient peoples who were there, who were learning more about all the time, and we still don't know nearly enough about, what do you think they knew?
	I think they knew quite a bit because some monuments like Neolithic longbarrows, and we're going back five and a half thousand years now to a particular style of monument, they place some of them on the boundaries of different soil types.
	For example, like where clay meets sand.
	How did they know that?
	And also the archaeologist Timothy Champion, he noticed that across northwest Europe, all Neolithic causeway enclosures, as a particular style of earthen monument, this like concentric circles, was at the meeting point of where two aquifers meet.
	Now, where you have two deep aquifers meeting, you get a huge amount of electromagnetic energy.
	So I think they were sensing these soil changes, these water changes within the earth, and they were tapping into that energetic supply.
	Well, that's a fact.
	We'll touch on these things again in this conversation.
	Let's talk about you for people who don't know about you and for people who are hearing about you for the first time, perhaps through this show.
	Your biography says that for nearly 30 years, Maria Weekly has researched megalithic sites worldwide, and you're a second generation dowser and geomancer.
	Now, one of those things, I absolutely know what it is.
	The other one, I'm not sure.
	So can you explain both?
	Yeah, Dowser really uses Dows in tools like L-rods or a pendulum.
	I specialize in L-rods.
	And you can find invisible targets, be that underground water, because I have been a water diviner in my past.
	So I know I can find things like underground water for wells.
	And I specialize now in earth energies.
	Now, a geomancer looks at the much wider picture, the landscape, how the mountains and the hills look, as was done in ancient China through the discipline of feng shui.
	So it's like a Western version of Feng Shui, but doesn't necessarily focus on the art of placement in the house, but the wider landscape itself and being able to interpret that.
	What type of hill is it?
	Is it related to Mars?
	Is it related to Venus?
	So you get a cosmological understanding of the ground.
	Your biography also says that you're the UK's leading authority on the geodetic earth energies, ley lines and grid lines.
	Now, we had a lot of talk about ley lines in this country in the 80s.
	A lot of people of the sort of New Age movement were interested in those axes of power, I suppose you could call them.
	What are geodetic earth energies?
	There was a Master Dowser in the 1930s and 40s that looked into ancient sites such as Stonehenge, which we've spoken about, Silbury Hill, and places abroad like in Greece.
	And he realized that the earth was emitting particular energy patterns, some of which were to do with earth energies, some of which were to do with an underground water source called primary water or yin water, which is water that is independent of rainfall and is born within the earth.
	And all of these energy patterns a dowser can pick up on.
	So the geodetic system of earth energies is basically a whole load of different earth energies discovered by master dowsers and that I have inherited and carried on their work.
	Right.
	And when you say you've carried on their work, how do you go about that?
	Well, I travel to, you know, numerous places worldwide with tours I lead and with independent research.
	And what I have found, you know, with Dowson, again, I have found and made discoveries with Dowsing.
	So I'd like to think that I do have something backing me up rather than just saying, you know, I'm a Dowser.
	For instance, when I was mapped down in the Salisbury Plain, I kept coming to this one particular longbarrow and I researched that long barrow because it seems significant in Downsyn terms.
	And within the barrow originally was a long-skulled person.
	Now, the archaeological community has never, ever said that in the Stonehenge environs and elsewhere in Great Britain that there was long-skulled people.
	And I discovered that long-lost race.
	And we tend to associate, we've talked about this briefly on this show before with various people, but we tend to associate this phenomenon of long skulls as being something that you might associate with the ancient Egyptians or the Mayans or something like that.
	In fact, in those days, from what we understand, it's a horrible practice, but it was seen to be cool to, you know, to extend by crushing, I think, by pressure.
	It's a horrible, horrible thought, the skulls of children, isn't that right?
	No, because Brian Forrester, the leading authority on the elongated skulls of Paracas in South America, in his research to disprove the head binding and boarding theory, was there was a baby, mummified baby, fetus baby, found within, obviously, the womb of a mummified woman that had a long skull before it was born.
	So a lot of people feel that was, you know, was the case.
	And certainly in ancient Britain, there is no evidence of headbinding whatsoever.
	I think this was a long lost race.
	And what I noticed in my research, the long skull people of Malta and Egypt, like you quite rightly mentioned, were very, very similar to what I coined the Neolithic queen of Stonehenge, because only the hierarchy people went into a type of monument called longbarrows.
	So she must have been quite significant.
	And the long skull people of the UK were quite short, between five feet and no more males than five feet six.
	How many of these long skulls have been found in the Stonehenge area?
	In my research, in every single longbarrow.
	Now, the strange thing about the research was this, and an antiquarian first noted this a few hundred years ago.
	Long skulls, long barrows, round skulls in round barrows.
	So the migrating people from Europe called the Bika culture around about 2500 BC that entered the British Isles, they were much taller and had rounder skulls.
	So does that indicate there was some kind of hierarchy?
	I think that within the ancient world, no matter where you go in the ancient world, there was definitely hierarchy from ancient Sumer, Egypt, South America, etc.
	Stonehenge is a wonderful place and it has an energy that I don't understand.
	But whenever I go there, it doesn't matter how rubbish the weather might be.
	It can be raining.
	I can be wearing a Mac.
	It can be blowing a gale there.
	But I always come away from Stonehenge feeling better.
	Now, Stonehenge is a place, it wasn't always this way, we both know this, but is carefully protected by the authorities here in the UK.
	It is looked after these days.
	And, you know, 100 years ago, that was not the case with Stonehenge, but it is now.
	The things that you've discovered there and the things that you talk about, are those things backed and supported by the people who look after Stonehenge?
	No, no, they're not.
	I mean, I do study at Oxford University as well with archaeologist Lisa Brown.
	And they, even though you can, I photographed the long skull people from particular universities in the UK, measured these skulls, compared them to a modern day skull, etc.
	You know, doing solid research.
	And they just say the chances are that could have been just like another throwback or just an anomaly within the society.
	And even when you say, but they were all like that in the long bowers, they are very, very dismissive.
	And it's very hard to, you know, get into these universities.
	You have to, you know, either write an academic paper or, you know, you can't just knock on the door and say, I want to see skulls.
	You know, you have to write a paper to have access to these cardboard boxes that contain them.
	Okay.
	And if you are espousing theories that the establishment may not agree with, is that process more difficult for you?
	Well, I must say I do get support from some archaeologists and I do get support from Lisa Brown and others from Wessex Archaeology.
	So I'm not going to, you know, tar everyone with the same brush as it were.
	But I think, you know, if you rock the establishment, doors close.
	Well, I think it's always been that way when anybody says anything that's different.
	I guess, you know, I don't know, but I guess there are probably vested interests.
	What do you think then, Stonehenge?
	This is a huge question, and it's one that people have been trying to answer for many, many, many years.
	What do you think Stonehenge was for?
	Because if you drive past it, we're talking now to people, we both, obviously, you live near there.
	I know this area well.
	If you drive past it on the A303 road, you see this remarkable thing just appearing on a rise as you're driving towards the west of England.
	It's an astonishing thing.
	And even if you knew nothing about what's been written and said and pictured about Stonehenge over the years, you'd be bound to ask yourself, if you'd never seen it before, you'd be bound to ask yourself the question, what is this thing for?
	Yes, indeed.
	And my current book that I'm writing is really looking at Stonehenge in depth because I think the archaeologists that have restored it have got some big things wrong, basically.
	But Stonehenge is many things.
	But I want people to realize what it originally looked like.
	Stonehenge was surrounded by a six-foot to an eight-foot chalk wall.
	So it had a massive chalk wall around it that you could not see inside.
	So when you drive past on the A03, like A303, sorry, that you said you do, and you can see Stonehenge, back in the Bronze Age and the Neolithic period, you'd have seen nothing apart from the top of a stone.
	So it was a very secretive place.
	It was on the one hand an astronomical observatory to the moon and to the sun, and some authors say to the stars of Orion, for example.
	But other archaeologists that are very open-minded, like Tim Deville and the late Geoffrey Wainwright, quite rightly point out that the blue stones of Wales, which were transported over 120 miles from the Prisilli Mountains to Stonehenge, are three times more magnetic than any other stone, and they were always deemed healing.
	In fact, if you go to the 12th century and you go to a chronicler called Geoffrey of Monmouth, he wrote the book The History of the Kings of Britain, and he pointed out that there is no stone at Stonehenge that does not have healing properties.
	So I think it was healing as well.
	So it was much more than what we assumed, I think probably in the 60s, 70s, 80s, a center of worship.
	You think that it had a greater purpose than just something that, you know, people go and stand as the sun rises and worship whatever deities they may be worshipping?
	Well, exactly.
	I think ancient sites tend to be multifaceted.
	They are not just one thing.
	I mean, think about a church.
	It's not just one thing.
	You can go there to be married.
	You can go there to be, you know, buried.
	You can go there in times of war.
	The bells ringing out could mean warnings and things.
	It's not one structure for one thing.
	And I Think ancient sites were like that.
	And it's been pointed out by the most top archaeoastronomers that the heelstone and the midsummer sunrise is not as accurate as a lunar alignment to the heelstone.
	That's what professional archaeoastronomers say.
	But we assume that Stonehenge is about the sunrise at midsummer.
	There's far more accurate lunar alignment.
	So yeah, I think it was like a place where people went for healing because close to Stonehenge in a round barrow was a skull that had a hole in it.
	Now that's called a trapaned skull.
	Okay, it's been surgically made a hole in the skull and that was re-evaluated by the devisors creator of the museum and they think that was a performed brain surgery.
	So if they were performing some type of surgery around Stonehenge, it must have been deemed a healing place and especially with the mythology of the healing stones that have been known to us for thousands of years anyway.
	And that site must have been enormously important for those people, for them to commission something like what we, well, the remnants of which we see there now, and for them to go to such enormous efforts that even until recent years, we didn't think they were capable of to bring stones so far, more than 100 miles away, to bring them, you know, to somehow get them across the land.
	Exactly.
	I mean, you're facing from the Marlborough Downs from whence they came, the large sarsen greystones that form the outer Lintold Circle ring.
	You have to take them up the largest hill range in Wiltshire and down the largest hill range in Wiltshire.
	Then the ancients put Stonehenge on sloping ground.
	Now that was an engineering nightmare because some stones had to go further in the ground, others less in the ground, so the linteled circle was perfect.
	But when you look to the surrounding roundbars of the Bronze Age period, you've got beads from Egypt, oxygen isotope samples taken from teeth of the buried ancestors there.
	Say they came from the Italian border, Germany.
	This was a cosmopolitan mecca.
	How would all of those people from all of those places get to know about Stonehenge?
	When you go straight from what's called Winterbourne Stoke Roundabout, which is heads towards the West Country even to this day, archaeologists have noticed there was probably a road that was fenced and that led right the way down in a straight line, which I would argue that was a ley line.
	They would say it's a track and it would take you straight to Christchurch, which was an ancient Bronze Age harbour.
	So I think there was a lot of trade and toing and froing going along in the ancient past, but we see it as being stagnant, the ancient Britons.
	It wasn't that at all.
	And like I said, oxygen isotopes prove that.
	So this was a major civilization.
	And as you say, Christchurch, which is along the coast from the places that are ports today, like Southampton and Portsmouth, it's further along there.
	It's beyond Bournemouth.
	That was the focus for them.
	Yes, that would have been the port from where you could have traveled to Stonehenge from.
	But even if you think about the British population, if you traveled by rivers, the rivers naturally take you either to Avebury or Stonehenge.
	You have the Avon, you have the Kennet.
	Water levels were different in the Neolithic and Bronze Age.
	But the thing that I say about Stonehenge, which is controversial, but can be proved because I've shown the world the skulls, Stonehenge, I think, was phase one, was developed and constructed by long-skulled people.
	It wasn't the civilization that we think of ourselves today.
	And I think they were highly sensitive to the different energies within the Earth, whether that was an aquifer or an Earth energy.
	They were highly sensitive, I presume.
	So that begs the question, who were these people?
	Where were they from?
	Were they from here?
	And when I say here, I mean this planet on which we reside.
	The DNA tests coming out of Oxford of late on the Neolithic and the Bronze Age peoples, because you're looking at two different civilizations separated by a thousand years.
	When people go to Stonehenge and they look at the roundbowers and the long bowers, they think it's all of the same era.
	It isn't.
	There's thousands of years apart.
	It's like us looking back to 1066.
	If I was a Bronze Age person looking back to the Neolithic, it's a completely different era.
	But when we kind of really think about the DNA tests, they strongly suggest that they were ancient Britons here with the long skull people.
	And the round skull people had European blood links right the way to the Russian steppes and Europe.
	Presumably, elements of those DNA strands are going to be somewhere within us.
	A lot of us.
	Oh, absolutely.
	Especially when it comes to the Bronze Age Beaker culture, where we're direct descendants from them.
	That is for sure.
	And that's what these tests have shown.
	So I think they are from the Earth, but they are a long-lost civilization.
	Because one thing my research did notice about the Stonehenge environs, more so than, say, Avebury or Dorset or Yorkshire, because Stonehenge was the capital and it was like this sacred land, this sacred space, all of the people that I researched in the longbarrows surrounding Stonehenge had been murdered.
	Really?
	Yes, because they had wounds to the right side of their skulls and it was presumed that their attackers were right-handed.
	So we have to beg the question, you know, that wouldn't account for a whole civilization because, you know, if you added up the people from the longbarrows, let's be very conservative and say a couple of hundred people.
	They were the hierarchy.
	You had people in flat graves, just like today.
	That's called a flat grave, literally six foot under.
	But what I think happened is just like in Spain when the Spanish, well In South America, rather, when the Spanish went there, they brought disease and illness that the body couldn't kind of cope with.
	I think there may have been a disease issue around about 2500 BC that killed the Long Skull people off.
	Something very traumatic must have happened and very dramatic.
	What about these murders, though?
	Can we be sure that they're murders or could they have been ritual executions of some kind?
	Well, that's a really good question.
	I mean, they could have been ritual sacrifice.
	The story definitely hasn't ended there, and further research will reveal more, I am sure.
	But what we do know is the majority were murdered.
	Now, some of the skulls that showed some signs of fracture were what's called after their death, which means probably it was crushed by chalk or stone.
	But a high significant amount were definitely murdered.
	The queen whose skull I photographed, the high queen of Stonehenge, she showed definite signs because there was no healing afterwards.
	If you've got a wound that's gone to the bone, flesh wounds were never shown in archaeology, but if you've got a bone wound that's healed, that says you've lived after that injury.
	Could there have been some kind of conflict, some kind of war?
	Could have been a conflict and a war.
	I mean, if Stonehenge was that important and it was built, as I suggest it is, and I'm gathering more and more evidence for the Long Skull people building Stonehenge, then by the time the roundskull beaker culture came here, that could have been a clash of ideas because the whole culture changed in the Bronze Age.
	The strange thing is, as well, the original Longbarrows, have you ever been to West Kennett Longbarrow, Howard?
	I haven't, but I've seen photographs.
	Yeah, well, if you imagine that it's a megalithic chamber with a really long earthen bit to it, about 340 feet long, earthen monument with a huge like cave.
	So like going into caves, it's really exciting going into somewhere like West Kennett Longbarrow.
	Well, that's a longbarrow built by the Neolithic, and it was a communal way of burial.
	So there was about 36 people in that burial locality.
	But when it came to the Bronze Age, when it came to the round skull people, they built round barrows for one person and one person alone.
	The whole religion changed.
	The whole religious idea of death burial rites changed.
	But more than that, all of the long barrows were decommissioned.
	And by decommissioned, I mean that they were infilled with dirt.
	Skulls were put in there.
	Long bones were put in there.
	And like in the style of Indio Jones, a huge blocking stone sealed those tombs forever so no one could ever enter them again until the 1950s when Professor Richard Atkinson took all the dirt out of West Kennett Barrow and for the first time in thousands of years, light shone in.
	So that indicates that one culture was wanting to suppress what a previous one had stood for.
	Exactly.
	So there was some clash because when you change death rights and spirituality and religion, something big happens.
	A bit like, you know, the religion of Christianity.
	That was a big, big change and it changed a lot of things.
	So it was the same kind of issues may have occurred on 2500 BC on the cusp of the Bronze Age of the Neolithic.
	And the problem is that, you know, you're discovering these things.
	You know, over the years, over the generations, our knowledge of what went before obviously gets fogged.
	And sometimes, as you hint, deliberately, because one civilization, one culture has wanted to suppress what the other one stood for, because has happened in more recent times, one culture thinks that it's better than another.
	And that's how things happen in this world between human beings.
	And so our knowledge has got fogged over the years.
	I wonder, because the Romans were very big in that area, all over this country, in fact, but they were very big in that area.
	They had their highway running right across just north of that area.
	Did they have any knowledge of this?
	Did they try and suppress all of this?
	What do you know of their involvement?
	The involvement of the Romans around Wessex County, Wiltshire, Dorset, and Hants, for example, they kind of blended, especially when it came to the Avebury area.
	They blended the old culture with their new culture.
	By that, I mean you have a place associated with Avebury called the Sanctuary.
	It's on Overton Hill.
	Today it's just marked by concrete posts where the former stone circle was.
	It was magnificent back in the day.
	But the Romans built a same-size temple just next door to it.
	And if you look over the hill, you can see that temple.
	And what the Romans did, they would say, we had a Celtic god called Nodan, for example.
	And they would say, oh, that equates to Mars.
	We will make that a shrine to Mars.
	And they did that to the Roman Baths in the city, the beautiful city of Bath.
	They just changed the names of the gods.
	So it was a kind of assimilation.
	It was.
	The Romans did that.
	And of course, if you didn't agree with it, then you lost all your lands.
	And so most people became what was called the Romano-British.
	They adopted the culture.
	Looking back, as you do, obviously it makes you ask, what did these people know?
	What powers might they have had?
	What science might they have had?
	What things do you believe might still be to discover?
	I think there's a lot still to discover because, like I say, my find of the long skull has been within the past five years.
	But what we do know is they were master astronomers, but there's more to an ancient site than just an astrological sunrise.
	And I would argue that the case is well that, you know, maybe it's not just about a visual experience.
	So if you're at Stonehenge and let's put you there at the summer solstice and it's a nearer alignment to the rising sun above the heelstone, it looks all very beautiful and pretty.
	And we see it on the TV And thousands of people clapping.
	But at that time of the day, you have the long red wave of electromagnetic light coming in, and maybe they were master physicists.
	A strange finding that I had at the sanctuary, which I mentioned earlier near Avebury, and an integral part of the Avebury Stone Circle, was on the exact center of that stone circle, high amounts of radiation.
	You go outside the stone circle and it dips back down to the normal background level and you find this ancient site.
	So did the ancients know about radiation?
	Were they harnessing that?
	Were they using it as a kind of free alternative energy source?
	There's so many questions to have answers.
	Or indeed, it was something else of which they were aware.
	Maybe something, and I don't want to lead you in this direction, but something not from here.
	Were they aware of the source of energy that you talk about?
	I think they were, because if you look to, again, ancient sites, UFO activity, you have aquifers, you have underground water as a key element of play.
	French researchers noticed back in the 1960s that some UFO activity craft would fly in straight lines.
	And they said that that could be flying along the magnetic lathes, for example.
	So I think that there is possibly outside technology.
	There's a wonderful island called Sardinia that I've done a lot of research in.
	And at one of their temple spaces, undeniably so, there is a carved figure in the, I think it's limestone.
	I'm almost certain it is limestone, actually, because it's very white, is a figure of your archetypal grey alien.
	Perfectly done.
	And that's very strange.
	And next to that figure, which is strange in itself, you have these helmeted type of beings that look very, very strange.
	You could argue that they were stylized artwork, but it does look very much like an alien connection there.
	And as we're coming to understand now, with discoveries like Gablikli Tepi and what we're discovering in ancient Egypt, we're seeing that that is potentially a lot older than we thought it was.
	We're learning things all the time.
	Do you think there was some kind of fellowship of peoples from out there, stretching all the way to out here and maybe beyond, maybe even around the world?
	I think when you look at the archetypal design canons of whether you've got a site in Turkey that you've just mentioned, or you've got a site in South America or Stonehenge, they all have particular types of standardized earth energies, underground water patterns, spiral patterns, and they are all linked by a global grid work, whether you call that laser or grid system.
	So they do seem to be linked.
	But, you know, we presume that the dates of these monuments in my area are indeed correct.
	But the archaeological model is if you have two pieces of carbon, and that's their holy grail, because that's what they use for carbon-14 dating system, okay?
	Now, when they found two pieces of grain in exactly the same place in a bluestone socket at Stonehenge, found by Professor Timothy Deville, one of the sample came out 7700 BC and the other one came out 2500 BC.
	They chose the date that fitted their model.
	So there is more to discover.
	And as somebody once said to me, I think it was Robert Schock who said to me, but it may have been somebody else, that our knowledge of how far back we go depends on how far down we dig.
	We need to go down further, in other words.
	Exactly.
	And I was the guide to Robert Schock, actually, for Stonehenge.
	I've taken the top people around Stonehenge.
	And that's exactly what I point out to people, because you've got to dig down at least a meter to get just to the Roman period.
	So you're going to go down a long, long way because of what's called the new surface level.
	But at sites like Silbury Hill, you can get to the new surface level.
	You go through that, then you get to the old surface level.
	And you can do that.
	You can do that, especially in the Stonehenge area.
	Not so much in Egypt because you've got lots of sand blown by wind, making it very deep.
	But actually in Wessex, you get down to what's called the solid chalk bedrock and you can date from that.
	And then, of course, we come to the Graham Hancock and others of Graham's ilk theory that we are predated, vastly predated, by peoples who are much older than we perhaps thought they were.
	And perhaps there was some kind of cataclysm that wiped them out.
	So all of this, it seems to me, is a process of us learning, and we're learning more all the time because we're getting cleverer and we've got better science, supposedly, that our history goes back far further than we might have assumed.
	Absolutely.
	I mean, Graham Hancock speaks of the younger dryass era, you know, big events happening on the planet.
	But even, you know, our ancestors here today experienced terrible climate change.
	At the end of the Bronze Age, heading towards the Iron Age, the climate dropped by one degree and it was a mini ice age.
	And then they lost their culture.
	So I agree with researchers, you know, like Graham Hancock.
	And I'm doing a conference with people like Andy Collins in Sedona in April.
	And we discuss these things openly.
	And like Graham, Andrew and myself, we present solid evidence.
	You know, this is the evidence.
	Now you look at the evidence and you make your own mind up.
	Something is awry with the standard archaeological model.
	But you have, I won't say a battle, but you have a quest.
	You have a job on your hands to get orthodox science and archaeology to recognize those things.
	Yes, I mean, what would be very good for the area like you have in ancient Egypt is LIDAR.
	There's been a LIDAR, that's where a plane goes up, sends down a signal.
	You can go through trees in the jungle.
	Avebury has been done and part of Stonehenge.
	But I think there needs to be a really big, galvanized effort to do a global kind of archaeology.
	Different countries add into the LIDAR database would reveal so much.
	But because the world is a turbulent place at the moment, I wonder how that's going to happen.
	Well, this is the problem.
	But I think one day when different cultures get together and say, obviously, you know, Iran and Iraq has their difficulties, especially during this time.
	But I mean, their antiquities are ancient as well.
	But just to put a timeline out here, an independent carbon dating of Silbury Hill, which is the largest man-made mound in northwest Europe, very close to the Avebury Henge, and Marlborough has its own mound dated to the Neolithic, the sister hill to Silbury, Merlin's Mound.
	An independent carbon dating, put that to 12,000 BC, like the ancient temples of Turkey.
	So there is a patchwork beginning to emerge here.
	Yeah, I think put the timeline back further in South England for sure, because the ice cap of the Ice Age didn't come down this far.
	It did cover some of the more northern Cumbria, Yorkshire, but the ice cap didn't come down here.
	So I think we can firmly say that this has had layers of human occupation going back thousands and thousands of years.
	Now, over and above and beyond the stuff that we've been talking about, you're different in that your interests also include things like past life regression, astrology and tarot.
	How do all of those things fit in?
	Well, it's because when I was 16, I met some Romanis and they taught me what's called the song of the tarot because, you know, they didn't read books.
	They wanted to pass the information on in a very oral tradition.
	So I learned a very ancient way of reading the tarot at a very young age.
	And I teach that even now, actually, the Romani way.
	So I've always been interested in occult subjects.
	And I had the good fortune in my career so far to have worked with the world's best past life aggression therapist, Dolores Cannon, the late Dolores Cannon, because I was her guide for this area.
	And I learnt a lot from her techniques.
	And I've been practicing past life aggression since about 1996 now.
	And so I'm very interested in what triggers people at ancient sites.
	Is it a belief in a past life memory there?
	Can I help you access that through hypnotherapy?
	So I like to look at ancient sites from a very orthodox perspective through archaeology, of which I study regularly to get the updates.
	I'm also very sensitive.
	I'm a good dow, so I'd like to think.
	And I also have a spirituality about me as well.
	So combine that together.
	And I think you've got a holistic understanding of an ancient site far beyond a left brain approach that says, oh, it's just an astronomical observatory.
	Oh, it's just this.
	So do you think I've never heard anybody, so sorry to interrupt, but do you think that some of the people like me who feel drawn to Stonehenge and feel better when they've been to Stonehenge, even if the weather is terrible, you know, they still feel better going there?
	Do you think that some of those people, including myself, perhaps may be motivated to go there because we've been there before?
	I feel for some people, I wouldn't say everybody, but I think people that have a special affinity to a place and sometimes our homes reflect that.
	You can go to somebody's home, for example, and they might be interested in ancient Chinese pottery, the Ming dynasty or something, and have replicas.
	You could go to another person's home and they would have everything Celtic there.
	Even in, I took someone from Japan to Egypt last year who wanted to be a Druid.
	Now, where does that come from?
	Yeah.
	He wanted to be the Celtic culture.
	And I think sometimes, you know, our pasts have been, you know, lived before and we have these strong affinities that can lead us to understand more about ourselves.
	When you've been doing past life regression, can you think, you don't have to name names of people, but can you think of any cases that have astonished you?
	Yes, I can, actually.
	And it was to do, oddly enough, with this area.
	And it was one particular case of a lady from Australia just happened to be visiting here and wanted a regression.
	And that was it, really.
	Out of curiosity, not because she felt she was from this land or anything, just out of curiosity.
	And she started talking about a barrow near a white horse.
	And I instantly, I know the area.
	So I thought, oh, that's Weyland's Smithy, Long Barrow, you know.
	And in one much later myth associated with the site was that Weyland was a Smith and he forged Excalibur in one particular mythology.
	But she went on to describe other swords.
	Excalibur was for the warrior king and you had a silver sword for a warrior queen and you had a gold sword that represented the wealth of Britain, symbolically speaking.
	So I then said, well, what has happened to the sword?
	She didn't know what happened to the silver sword, but she focused on the gold sword and she said it was taken on May Day, which is a very sensitive time of the year to the Druids.
	It's called Beltane, May the 1st.
	It's an ancient pagan Druid tradition of celebration at a very sensitive time of the year.
	And at May Day, it was taken to a part in London where they had fairs and celebrated.
	And I instantly linked the two Mayfair because that's what Mayfair was in London.
	Do you know something?
	I've lived in London for years.
	I never knew that.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	You look it up.
	Going back into its historical Time.
	That was its setting, and that's where she said the gold sword was buried to represent the wealth of England.
	And it happens to be a very affluent area.
	Now, of course, we don't know what she may have been reading or studying, but if she hadn't been reading or studying, how could she have known that?
	Well, that's what I mean because she was from Australia, because she didn't really know the landscape, I knew that barrow was there because obviously I studied this area.
	So I was quite touched by that.
	I thought something was real going on there and that could be researched.
	And tying back to your Stonehenge Avebury-type research, do you think that those ancient people had some appreciation of the fact that, you know, we may live more than once?
	Well, we look to how the Druids had their belief system in the Iron Age, which was probably inherited from the Bronze Age, inherited from the Neolithic, which the Romans wrote down.
	So, you know, you've got to say, is it 100% accurate?
	Probably not.
	But when Caesar was writing in a book, Dispata, Dispata, The Conquest of Gaul, he said that one of the belief systems of the Druids was they did go to the underworld for quite some time and then they were reborn again.
	So they were believing in reincarnation in the Iron Age.
	So you think that they have a lot to teach us?
	I think we can learn a lot from the wisdom of the ancients.
	I really do, because one was communal living in the Neolithic.
	They had no land boundaries in the Neolithic.
	That only came in really in the Bronze Age when kingship probably came in and they said, this is my land.
	And they built what's called massive ranch boundaries.
	And that's big dikes with fences on the top and palisades.
	And the land was being divided up.
	That wasn't the case in the Neolithic.
	So they lived more, presumably, in harmony with one another than we do today.
	So I think we could learn just by that.
	Now, in the modern era, we have, since the time of Caxton, we have printing.
	So people can disseminate ideas.
	These days, of course, we have the internet for better or worse, which is allowing us to do this and allowing people to communicate in ways they never did before.
	How did ancient people, though, further and, you know, how did they transmit the information, the knowledge that they had from one generation, from one location to another?
	That's a really good question.
	And the only historical evidence for that, again, comes from the Iron Age, because the Bronze Age and the Neolithic and the Iron Age peoples never wrote anything down.
	They just had a very secret language called OM, which is letters based on a tree alphabet.
	But they handed all of their information down through the bards.
	And the bards were the first part of being a druid.
	And they learned all of the history of all of the lands.
	And they would bardically say it generation after generation until the monks around about, well, from the 4th century onwards, like Gildas, started to write down the ancient chronicles.
	And that's what Geoffrey of Monmouth did in the 12th century.
	So we were a bardic country of an oral tradition.
	Now, isn't that interesting?
	One of the first things I did when I was learning to be a journalist, I was doing a documentary project.
	I was probably 21 or so.
	And I went to meet a guy in London who ran this thing called the Bardic Chair of Kayat Lindane.
	And he had this big old oak chair that he sat in.
	And basically, I didn't really understand all of it back then.
	He was very much into the ancient power of trees.
	And the fact that, and if you think about trees, I live close to one of Her Majesty's royal parks, but you think, well, you know, maybe the trees do have power because they survive a lot longer than we do.
	You know, they're part of the landscape for, you know, for hundreds of years.
	We're just here for a very short period.
	Yes, I mean, a part of the Druidry teachings are the tree alphabet, of which there's 25 main trees, for example.
	Originally, there was 20 and there's been five added on, actually.
	And each tree has a teaching and a wisdom to offer one if one is open to listening to that.
	So the different trees mean different things to the ancient Druids.
	Birch would represent new beginnings.
	Oak would represent strength.
	Holly would represent the dark night of the soul.
	Apple would represent love and fertility.
	So they had a whole understanding of nature that we kind of have a disconnect with.
	And I think trees allow us to reconnect to the landscape, reconnect to the ancient past.
	Like you say, they're wisdom keepers because just up the road from me in the once royal hunting ground of Henry VIII, he fell in love with Jane Seymour just up the road from where I live actually.
	You have potbelly oak that is a thousand years old, that tree.
	You know, in that royal park that I live near, I sometimes cycle past one of the biggest trees there, maybe the biggest tree.
	And I just, last summer, I'd used to just cycle past it and almost ignore it, to my great shame.
	And I started looking at it and I just thought, you've been here for so very long.
	I wonder what changes you've seen over time here.
	I know it's a fascinating thought, especially when you get to really ancient trees like yew trees that are thousands and thousands of years old.
	I really do see them as being wisdom keepers and they can, you know, we can tune into them and we can learn from our ancient druid past to reconnect to them.
	Maybe we need to start having a bit more respect for what people who came before us knew about the earth and our relation to it.
	And, you know, maybe not just regard all of this, certainly happened when I was a kid as a kind of cartoon and it was all about folk singers with, you know, their hand cupped to their ear and Jethro Tull and all of that sort of stuff.
	You know, we need to maybe, and I think we are getting more respect for what went before.
	Well, that's where I think it's very important, you know, to re-evaluate the past.
	And, you know, sometimes we're just spoon-fed things and say things enough time and it becomes A truth like what Stonehenge looked at.
	Did it look like that?
	Was it used like that?
	You know, we're spoon-fed things.
	And I think a really good researcher, as you probably know yourself, Howard, questions everything and thinks, you know, where is the evidence leading us?
	And I think, in archaeological terms, it's going to be leading us down a much more fascinating road in the near future with independent researchers, many of whom you've mentioned already.
	And the great thing about these independent researchers, whether they're ultimately going to be proved to be right or wrong or whatever, they now have a chance to get an audience because they have the internet.
	They don't rely on being able to find a publisher necessarily, although many of them do publish books.
	They have the internet.
	You get an audience.
	That's right.
	And I think, you know, again, it's for good or for bad because you can get an audience of trolls, which is not always very trolls, I can tell you.
	But, you know, yes, I think it is.
	And I think if you formulate your ideas with good research backing it up and some kind of evidence, so it's not like a belief system, you know, where you have to believe in something, then yes, I think it does challenge the Orthodox community.
	And it gives us a glimpse into the past that we didn't know before.
	And that's very important.
	Crazy question, very much at a tangent.
	Your dousing.
	Have you ever been able to make any money out of your dousing?
	Have you ever found something like a water source that's been beneficial to somebody?
	I only say that because I've interviewed Uri Geller many times and he's located, he says, oil resources and that sort of thing.
	Have you been able to do that?
	I haven't done oil resources and I certainly never would.
	I wouldn't fund that.
	I would encourage you to water or natural resources.
	Oh, absolutely.
	Water, I don't do that now, yeah, but because I focus on earth energies and make a living, a professional Dowson living out of taking people to tours to show them the earth energies and teach Dowsing.
	But yes, in the past, I have found wells in South Africa, for example.
	And in France, yes, I've made a living like that.
	It's really easy to do.
	I mean, really easy to do.
	You can say that.
	I could give you a hazel twig next to your forest there.
	And within a couple of, well, a half an hour, that twig would start moving.
	Honestly, it's the easiest thing.
	I mean, there's been depictions in caves dating back to 6,000 BC of people dousing.
	So I think, you know, they had to find water.
	And there was ancient wells just outside of Avebury.
	How did they know where that underground water was?
	You would have just used your body to find things.
	It's really easy to do.
	Cleopatra employed people to find gold, for example.
	Now, of the many things we've talked about in the area that you live in, which is in many ways a gift that keeps on giving, there were practitioners of magic, weren't there?
	Have you researched that?
	Well, yes.
	I mean, the thing about these ancient sites, like I said from the beginning, they are multifaceted and you will get lots of different cultures from the, no doubt from the past and even to the present day, that would practice different forms of occult magic at places like this because they're like a portal,
	they're a power place where energies really come together and can really influence your magic.
	I mean, for example, when you get a stone circle proper, like at Rollwright, the Merry Maidens, Castle Rig, Swinside, they've retained their circular shape, unlike Avebury and Stonehenge, which are far too ruinous, though they don't retain their circular shape.
	Then the magicians can use what's called form energy that's generated by a circle for magical practices, which can add power to the ceremony and to the right.
	And finally, as they say on news bulletins, the other thing that happens apart from the UFOs, the magic, the ancient people who knew much more than we perhaps thought they did, crop circles.
	They happen all over your area.
	It's probably the most abundant area for crop circles.
	And I'm talking about from where you are all the way down into Hampshire to places like Petersfield.
	Have you done any research on those?
	I have just stayed with stone circles as my forte, megalithic culture.
	But I do know crop circle researchers.
	One of my best friends was an earlier pioneer of the photography and research of crop circles.
	Now, I think some are genuine, and I think some are most definitely hoaxed in this area.
	So it's a combination of truth, mystery, intrigue, hoax, and it's trying to unravel all of that.
	And with my research, I just don't have the time to go into, you know, crop circles and unravel all of that.
	You know, they're all over that area.
	But the thing that I found fascinating in recent conversations with people who research these things is the idea that, you know, I always thought that most of them are faked.
	There is a possibility that some of them may have been made by something not of this earth.
	But now there's the idea that maybe it's something to do with the energy fields, you know, beneath the crop that cause these things to vortex and form.
	It's a fascinating thing.
	I know it's not necessarily your thing, but it is a fascinating thing.
	My late father did a lot of research into the Dowson side of crop circles and the earth energies associated with them.
	And again, just like stone circles, you get some crop circles that are attracted to underground water.
	And they land on the biggest aquifers that generates a particular energy pattern that a dowser could interpret.
	You're going to America then?
	You're going to be speaking there this year?
	I'm going to speak several times in America.
	I go over there at the beginning of April, the 10th to the 12th, with other speakers where I'll be leading people to what they call the Sedona Stargate.
	It's like a big vortex area there through these UFO coordinates that were given from Rendlesham from one chap touching the so-called UFO.
	He got all of these downloads of these coordinates that were interpreted.
	And I'll be taking some people there.
	Then I returned to a massive conference there called Contact in the Desert.
	Yes, it's great, it's wonderful.
	And I will be speaking there for the second year.
	Then I will be returning to a tour I'm taking.
	So check out my website to America Stonehenge in September.
	And I may be going back there in July.
	That's yet to be finalized.
	And I'm also taking people to Egypt in November with Patricia Arwian.
	She's a very famous Egyptologist.
	And yes, so I'm getting out and about.
	It's lovely.
	And I always think it's a wonder each year.
	Yep, it definitely is.
	And I wish you all the very best of good fortune with all the things that you're going to do, Maria.
	We've ranged over so many topics.
	Totally fascinating.
	People want to go to that website of yours.
	What's its address?
	I've got two websites.
	My teaching platform is called esotericcollege.com.
	And my tours and my earth energies and my sacred water site is theaveburyexperience.co.uk.
	Thank you for speaking with me, Maria, and give my love to that beautiful area that you live in.
	I will do, Howard.
	Thanks for having me.
	One of these days I'll visit again.
	I've got to go and see Stonehenge fairly soon.
	I need my fix.
	It's been about three years.
	Maria, thank you so much.
	You're welcome.
	Thank you.
	Maria Weekly, your thoughts on her, always welcome.
	You can send me an email through my website, theunexplained.tv.
	More great guests in the pipeline here at The Unexplained as we cruise into 2020.
	So until next we meet, my name is Howard Hughes.
	I am in London.
	This has been The Unexplained Online.
	And please, whatever you do, stay safe, stay calm, and above all, please stay in touch.
	Thank you very much.
	Take care.

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