The Unexplained - Howard Hughes - Edition 378 - Anthony Peake

Jan. 20, 2019 - The Unexplained - Howard Hughes

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Edition 378 - Anthony Peake

A welcome return to the show for writer, speaker and thinker Anthony Peake - we talk OBEs, consciousness and much more...

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	Across the UK, across continental North America, and around the world on the internet, by webcast and by podcast.
	My name is Howard Hughes, and this is The Return of the Unexplained.
	Well, we're talking about snow for some parts of the UK in the next week or so, having had what felt like spring for a couple of months now, really, to be honest with you.
	We're now heading towards something a little bit colder for a while, and I hope that while is not very long.
	Also, to be perfectly frank with you, I was in Hampton Court Palace, or near Hampton Court Palace the other day, which is not too far away from where I live, and they have beautiful ornamental gardens there.
	If you're ever in London, please take a trip from central London, 15 miles, 16 miles out, and go to Hampton Court Palace, the former home of Henry VIII, and take a look at the beautifully tended ornamental gardens there.
	But one of the concerning things is to see the appearance of spring flowers there, beautiful roses and other flowers that have appeared months before their time.
	So, you know, we've talked about the climate before.
	We'll talk about it again, but it's been very, very mild up to now.
	And those poor flowers that have done so well in the last few weeks are going to get a terrible shock in the next week by the looks of it, when we have a return of a mini beast from the east, I think the papers are calling it, or something like that.
	So we'll have to watch and wait.
	And I just hope the winter is gone before we even know it.
	And I hope everything's okay wherever you are.
	Thank you very much indeed for all of your emails.
	Some very nice ones coming in at the moment.
	You can go to the website, theunexplained.tv, the website designed and controlled by Adam Cornwell from Creative Hotspot in Liverpool.
	And you can send me an email from there by following the link.
	And if you would like to make a donation to the show, thank you very much if you have, by the way, then you can follow another link on the website, theunexplained.tv, and you can do that there.
	And of course, your donation's vital for this work, which is independent and has been for a lot of years now, vital for this work to continue.
	The new website, I was doing some proofreading of it a couple of nights ago.
	It's almost ready for us to push the button on and go.
	It's got a lot of functionality that the current website simply doesn't have.
	It's fully searchable.
	It's got a My Story section.
	So if you have a story that you would like to tell me, then you can send it that way.
	There's a guest suggestion forum there.
	There are lots of things on there that we simply haven't up to now been able to have.
	So the website is going to come right up to 2019, bang up to date.
	It's also going to be highly compatible with all mobile devices in a way that the current site, again, is not.
	So thank you very much to Adam Cornwell for what has been a couple of months of really hard work on the website.
	And it's coming soon.
	I've been looking at it on test.
	We've got the images to include on it and a couple of small links.
	And then it's good to go, as they say.
	So new start in 2019, I sincerely hope.
	The guest on this edition of The Unexplained is somebody who's been on the show quite a few times before and has got a big reputation around the world now.
	His name is Anthony Peake.
	How would I describe Anthony?
	Well, I'm going to ask him anyway how he would describe himself, but I would say he's a writer, an author, and a thinker and a speaker.
	That's four things.
	So we'll get him to elaborate on all of that.
	But he's a guy who takes time to consider matters like the nature of life and death, out-of-the-body experiences, consciousness, perhaps the biggest question of all.
	All of those questions and more will be discussed with Anthony Peake coming very, very soon.
	Like I've said, thank you very much for all of your emails.
	Please keep your feedback coming.
	If you have a guest you'd like to hear on the show, let me know how to get hold of that person.
	And of course, with the new website, when it's on stream, you'll be able to go to the guest suggestion forum and leave details of guests you would like to hear.
	And if you've got contact details for those guests, because we don't have a big team here, there's only really me and Adam, then, you know, that is all very, very useful.
	So new website, probably within seven days from when I speak these words, I hope.
	Adam's a very busy guy, but I'm hoping we're going to be able to get it done.
	All right.
	Let's cross the country a little now, not very far from where I am, and let's speak with Anthony Peake, the return thereof.
	Anthony, thank you very much for returning to my show.
	Delighted to be back.
	So, Tony, I was musing with my listener when I was recording the intro to this, and I know we always have this conversation, but let's just have it one more time.
	I described you as four things.
	I said you were thinker, writer, author, speaker.
	Those are the four things that I could think of.
	Is that a fair description, or do you have one that you like yourself these days?
	Overall eccentric, I think.
	Well, we're all a bit that.
	Like you, exile scouser.
	Living in the South.
	I think that probably all those things define me fairly well.
	And in my private life, I'm a business consultant, but I rarely talk about that in interviews for obvious reasons because it's not terribly interesting.
	Well, no, I mean, we've all got to make a living, haven't we?
	That's why I do shifts in mainstream radio where people might hear me to keep myself going.
	We all need to do that.
	Lots of things that we could talk about.
	And with most of the guests I get on this show, I tend to do hours of reading their books and copious making of notes and stuff like that.
	With you, I don't do that because I tend to find it's better if we just talk because our conversations in the past have ranged far and wide.
	So if you're happy doing that, then we can rock and roll.
	I'm delighted to do that, as always, Howard.
	Okay, one week from when we're recording this, you are due to give a talk entitled The Science of Out-of-Body Experiences, or that may be the title of an event that you're involved in, but you are very much involved in this thing.
	And we have talked about those manifestations before.
	Where are you at on out-of-the-body experiences?
	Well, my position on out-of-body experiences, as you know, I wrote a book called The Out-of-Body Experience, which deals with out-of-body experiences, not surprisingly, a few years ago.
	But my position has subtly changed because whereas initially my position was that whatever was happening, we were traveling inside our own subconscious, for want of a better term, when we have out-of-the-body experiences.
	But I've been given certain examples from people that have contacted me subsequently who have Explained to me the most uncanny out-of-the-body experiences that I cannot explain using my original model.
	So, my model has now expanded to suggest that, in fact, outside of ourselves and inside of ourselves are the same thing.
	So, therefore, consciousness is not embodied, as it were.
	It doesn't need a brain to function.
	And there is a field of consciousness, and we attune into that field.
	Now, again, this sounds like a very extreme statement, but effectively, I do do the science of this.
	And funnily enough, I had a fascinating conversation with Dr. Jude Curravan only yesterday, who's a quantum physicist and a cosmologist.
	And we were discussing this very issue, that it does seem that there's more and more evidence that, in fact, what we consider to be the material world is nothing more than an emanation of a deeper digital environment whereby everything is based upon information and consciousness is part of that information.
	So it's a real-life version.
	I mean, we don't want to trivialize it, but it sounds like a real-life version of, as many people are suggesting these days, The Matrix.
	Yeah, very much so.
	And again, when The Matrix, when the movie The Matrix came out, I think in the late 1990s, a great deal of it was supposition at that time.
	But there have been a series of recent discoveries about the nature of the universe itself and how it functions, specifically to do with black holes, interestingly enough.
	And it is to do with the idea that, in fact, we are existing within a two-dimensional holographic projection, that we, our brains, process as a three-dimensional reality.
	Now, again, that sounds totally crazy to many people, but I would point people in the direction of the final paper that Stephen Hawking wrote with his associate, the CERN physicist Thomas Hertog.
	And in this, he was very much coming to the same conclusions that myself and quite a few other researchers have come to, that this reality is far more complex and far deeper than we can understand.
	And strangely enough, it's all to do with the laws of thermodynamics and specifically the second law of thermodynamics, in that black holes we know exist.
	And black holes, if you, for instance, threw a laptop into a black hole or a mobile phone, effectively what would take place there is information would be lost.
	Now, if the universe is an enclosed system, as it is believed to be, the first law of thermodynamics says that energy cannot be lost.
	It can change into other forms of energy within an enclosed system, but it can never be lost to the system.
	So effectively, what you're putting into it is not disappearing as we thought, but it's going somewhere else.
	Correct.
	And interestingly, and it is quite important to be aware of this, that recent research has shown that information has thermal energy.
	Information can generate heat.
	There's been research done on this.
	So effectively, we are talking here literally about thermodynamics.
	And the question is, where does the information go?
	Now, Hawking came up with this concept he called Hawking radiation.
	And he also suggested that any information that's thrown into a black hole is effectively smeared on the edge of the black hole.
	It doesn't actually go in, but there's actually two, the information splits.
	Now, without going into great detail, researchers such as Juan Malda Carno and a guy called Jacob Bekenstein, who recently died, an Israeli scientist, they suggest that the outer edges of the universe, imagine when the Big Bang took place.
	You know, it's a point of nothing which suddenly starts to expand outwards in all directions.
	Now, if you think about that, what this effectively means is that the universe is an, it's like we're in the inside of a balloon, an expanding balloon that's expanding outwards in all directions.
	Now, the argument is that the inside of the surface of the balloon, the inside surface of the expanding universe, is actually peppered by minute, and I mean the smallest things possible, Planck squares.
	The Planck length is the smallest possible thing that can exist in space.
	And the number of Planck squares there are, if each one of the Planck squares is generating one single digit of information, effectively, if they do the calculations, they find that it matches.
	That the information that's within the universe, if you could draw, you know, digitize everything, it's exactly it matches.
	And as more information comes in, the universe expands further and further out.
	So there's a direct relationship between information and energy and the observed universe.
	Now, this then suggests that physical reality, because if you look into the quantum physics of physical reality, and I always delight in saying this to people, when people turn around to me and say, of course it's real, it's physical, I can feel it, I can touch it.
	Well, there are two factors to this.
	The first thing is, no, you don't.
	You never touch anything.
	The reason you don't fall through the chair that you're sitting on at the moment is for one reason.
	There are two reasons.
	The first one is Heisenberg's Pauli's exclusion principle, which I won't go into detail in, but it's to do with the fact that certain subatomic particles can't share the same space.
	And also, the electrostatic forces, because your body is effectively positive in terms of positively charged.
	And also, the surface of all atoms are also positively charged.
	And as you know, like charges repulse.
	So you actually hover above the surface of physical matter.
	You never go through it.
	But more importantly is that the latest research has said that the inside of the atom, every single atom, is 99.999999999999% empty space.
	And that's a precise figure.
	The rest of it is made up of what we think are physical things.
	But even these physical things, the quarks, are so infinitesimally small that they have no real effect and they are in vast distances relative to their size away from each other.
	This is all there is.
	So there must be something else that's creating this, what we believe to be physical reality.
	And I think we are existing within a hologram, and I think we are existing within something that's analogous to virtual reality, a virtual reality program.
	And we're within it.
	You know, I got an image, and I always like to try and, you know, reduce things or compact and simplify things, you know, to just consolidate where we're at at the moment.
	But I got this image of when we wanted to create a method of storing, for example, music in a digital form, we came up with the compact disc.
	And the compact disk has to be, you talked about the thermodynamic law.
	Compact disks have to be burned.
	They have to be burned with a laser.
	And the data is then stored using a laser.
	That's the way that this happens.
	So I got a vision of everything that there is, what we think is reality, simply being very much like that.
	If we created a system like that based on the physics that we know so far, then maybe everything works in that way.
	It's a fascinating thought.
	Well, the idea is, and it gets more fascinating, is that if everything is working on holographic principles, which we believe it is, there are some interesting things about holograms.
	For instance, if you take a holographic image and you break it up, it's not like breaking up a jigsaw puzzle, for instance, whereby each piece has a part of the main picture.
	Within a hologram, each piece of a hologram contains a denuded image of the whole image, okay?
	Which means that the part and the whole are the same thing.
	It's enfolded within itself, as the physicist David Bohm said.
	Now, what we're discovering now is that it seems that the universe itself seems to be enfolded within itself.
	There is no out there.
	We are all part of the same thing.
	Now, I recently discovered from the reading of various books on quantum physics and seeing some papers that have been written that people out there are probably aware of a phenomenon known as entanglement.
	This is where if you put two subatomic particles in the same state, when those particles are placed at a distance from each other, if you do something to one particle, the other one instantaneously knows it reacts.
	Now, this has been known for many years.
	It was originally inversely postulated by Einstein, I think in 1937, when Einstein wrote a paper together with two other guys called Rosen and Podolsky.
	It's known as the EPR thought experiment.
	And Einstein was trying to disprove this idea of spooky action at a distance, as he called it.
	And he came up with a thought experiment, which I won't go into details, but effectively, he used this thought experiment to say that it's impossible.
	But a guy called John Bell in 1964 came up with a model that proves that this non-locality mathematically and theoretically can exist.
	And in 1981, it was proven by a guy called Alain Aspe at the Paris Institute of Optics.
	And subsequently, they've been working on this.
	This guy called Anton Zeilinger, who should be the most famous person in the world.
	He's doing some fascinating experiments where he's taking these particles and he's entangling them.
	And he's been placing them at distances apart and testing them.
	There's been a recent experiment done, quite recently, whereby, and I've yet to really understand the maths of how this works and the science, but apparently they can now prove that particles can be entangled to a minimum, and this is a minimum, of 600 light years.
	So it effectively means if you had a subatomic particle on the planet Earth and another subatomic particle 600 light years away, if you did something to that subatomic particle, the other one 600 light years away would react immediately.
	Now this suggests this happens because at a deeper level of reality, everything is a unity.
	Everything is coming out from an informational field.
	Now that means you and I and everything we see within the universe is within us and outside of us.
	We are all one something.
	We are an informational field.
	We are a field of consciousness.
	This might sound like a stupid question, but if that is the case, then how come the actions that we perform here and the things that we do here, we don't when we look out into the vastness of space and we can look further and we can go further now than ever before.
	How come we are not seeing those connected reactions when we look?
	We do.
	And this is the intriguing thing.
	There was a fascinating thought experiment suggested by, I think it was John Wheeler, who was a very famous quantum physicist.
	And it's to do with something called gravitational lensing.
	And he proved scientifically by applying known science that your act of observation here brings about events that took place on a quasar, which are some of the oldest objects in the universe.
	And he showed mathematically and theoretically that this is the case.
	Now, the issue is that we're beginning to understand this now.
	We're beginning to understand how sub-quantum effects can be used in some incredible ways.
	For example, we're now thinking about quantum computing, whereby computers can be used, instead of using bits, they're using things called qubits or qubits.
	And these are actual, it's information that actually exists in alternate realities.
	And I know it sounds crazy and I know it sounds mad, but this is where science is going now.
	We are starting to understand.
	The reason we don't, we're not working at it in the right way is because we are trapped in something called the materialist reductionist paradigm.
	And the materialist reductionist paradigm is what most sciences work on.
	And it's a brilliant principle.
	The idea is if I discover a motorbike, how do I know how it works?
	I take the bits apart.
	And by taking it apart, I can understand how it falls together.
	And this is how our science Has been for the last 400 years, and it has been profoundly effective.
	But there are certain things within the world of experience that the materialist reductionist model cannot explain.
	It cannot explain certain quantum effects, it cannot explain spooky action at a distance, and it cannot explain the biggest thing that we all experience all the time, or most of the time, consciousness and self-referential consciousness.
	It cannot explain how electrons and photons and chemicals within my brain can create me, my hopes, my dreams, my fears, or Howard's hopes and dreams and fears, your inner life, your dreams, your hallucinations, whatever we want to call them.
	Science cannot, it cannot even begin to explain what's happening here.
	David Chalmers, who is a very famous philosopher, Australian philosopher, in I think 1999 at a conference in Arizona, came up with the statement that consciousness is the hard problem of science.
	The easy problem is explaining how the brain works neurochemically.
	We've got a good idea of how the brain works, but we've no idea how it creates consciousness.
	And indeed, there's no reason why consciousness should even have evolved.
	It's not needed.
	So in the conventional sense, Tony, are you saying that you and I, in the sense that we might have thought when we were kids, we actually don't exist.
	Not in the way that we thought we did.
	We are part of some greater whole.
	Well, it's again, if you go back to the original traditional teachings of a lot of the Eastern religions, well, religions is the wrong term.
	I think they're more philosophies of Buddhism and Hinduism.
	Hinduism believes that we are all emanations of the great thought, which is Brahmin.
	And indeed, my many Hindu friends, one of the first things, I remember going to Bath to interview a great sage who was already 101, I think he was, Swami Avyaktananda.
	And I was probably 22.
	And I was beginning to get involved in all of these things.
	And I lugged a great big analog tape recorder to go and talk to this man in Bath Eastern Villa, a beautiful old villa on the outskirts of Bath.
	And this man was tended by a lot of people who dearly loved him.
	And the one thing he said to me, first thing he said to me, I didn't understand it then, he said, we are all one.
	And that's the philosophy, that's the thought.
	If you can grasp the idea that I hear increasingly these days, that we are all one, you might be getting somewhere.
	Well, it's the idea, isn't it, that if we realize that we are all one, suddenly victimizing other human beings, killing other human beings, destroying the environment around us, suddenly becomes extremely personal, if indeed we can use the term personal.
	Because I argue that in order to function within this simulation, we have to have ego.
	We have to have certain ways of thinking.
	We have to believe ourselves to be individuated consciousnesses.
	But the evidence seems to say the other way.
	For instance, if you look into Buddhism, the whole point of Buddhism is to actually sink to within, to lose the ego completely, to just become something.
	Now, again, this has been known for many, many years.
	And Aldous Huxley wrote about it.
	I think it was the early 1960s.
	He wrote a book called The Perennial Philosophy.
	And this is what he argued.
	He argued that there's a singularity of consciousness and that consciousness is the base of everything.
	And of course, the only thing we actually know, and it's going to sound slightly Cartesian here, but the only thing we actually know with absolute certitude is that we are something experiencing something.
	That's all we know.
	We never interface directly with the external world because our senses are processed by the brain to present imagery and sensations called qualia that are recreated in our brain.
	Our brain recreates a model of external reality internally within the brain.
	And it is that model that we think is external reality.
	So would you agree with David Icke, who you know that I've spoken with many times and I'm sure you know, who says that I am consciousness having a physical human experience?
	I would.
	To a degree, I would, but I think David Icke just goes far too far.
	There's a lot of us who are trying to do really, really, really serious research here using science, understandable science, and not jumping to huge conclusions.
	All right.
	Well, let's put it this way then, between you and me in this conversation.
	The idea, the ideas that you're putting forward here, and those people that you've read and researched are putting forward here, would suggest that we live an existence, we have an existence communally together, which we can actually, since it is a creation and we are part of that creation, then we can change it.
	Why are there so many problems?
	Why are we grappling every single day with difficulties?
	Why do some people suffer if this is a world by just thinking in a particular way and acting in a particular way that we can change?
	Well, that's, again, something I don't go as far as to say this, the law of attraction, the idea that people take certain elements of quantum physics, make two and two equal 734, that in effect that matter is created by the act of observation or the act of measurement doesn't mean necessarily that we can influence directly in our present state the environment around us.
	It's more complex than that.
	You know, I can't, you know, if I think positively, everything's going to be wonderful.
	And if I think real positive thoughts, I'm going to be a millionaire.
	That just doesn't work that way.
	We are still at very early stages of understanding exactly what is going on here.
	But people are jumping to conclusions.
	They're running away with the ideas and making an awful lot of money by writing books on the laws of attraction and everything else.
	Myself and my associates, we're far more circumspect in terms of this.
	We're trying to build a model that is based upon absolute science.
	It is not based upon beliefs.
	It's not based upon suppositions.
	And it's not based upon getting carried away because today's a Thursday and the spirits are talking to us.
	But certain elements of what You might call the paranormal tie into all of the things that you've been saying, it seems to me.
	For example, you know, that people have telepathic instances, I have good friends, and I will know when they're going to phone, I will sense when something is going to happen, even with people who are not necessarily very close to me.
	I'll just have a thought: I haven't heard from this person, maybe connected with work or business or something, because this has happened.
	And I will find out that is so.
	So, you know, those things do speak to everything that you said.
	Oh, no.
	I mean, I write extensively about the occult.
	I write extensively about telepathy, out-of-body experiences, deja vu, precognitions.
	In my books, I have written extensively about these things.
	I invest time talking to mediums.
	I invest time talking to research scientists.
	In fact, we'll be doing a fascinating event.
	This is quite interesting.
	You might be interested in this.
	We're doing an event in April at the Dracolo Caves in Kidderminster where there's going to be myself, there's going to be Dr. David Luke, who's a research psychologist.
	We're going to have virtual reality machines.
	We're going to have the lucid light machines with us.
	We're going to have banks of these with us.
	And we're going to actually try to be placing people into altered states of consciousness in what seems to be a genuinely haunted place.
	Now, I was talking a couple of days ago to one of the researchers that had been working in this place, and he was telling me stuff that was making my hair stand on end.
	There is poltergeist activity down there.
	There is known poltergeist activity down there.
	There is something in these caves.
	They were actually used by the British government during the Second World War.
	There are hospitals down there.
	There are more than five miles of tunnels.
	Well, do you know something?
	I worked in that area on a radio station called Radio Wyvern in Worcester for two years, and I knew the area, know the area, you know, most of my adult life.
	I had no idea.
	Oh, nobody did.
	It was interesting.
	The reason why nobody knew these caves were here until they were declassified, and even now it hasn't been fully declassified, is because in the Second World War, the British government worked with private companies, and these were actually developed.
	There were originally caves there anyway, and had been there since Neolithic times.
	But they developed the caves, and I think Rover were involved in actually building the caves and setting them up.
	Because apparently they needed, and when the Second World War ended and the Cold War started, they needed locations where the governments and the royal family could be placed, which were safe or as safe as could be.
	And indeed, one of the little known or little talked about stories of the Second World War is that there were entire factories, manufacturing complexes, making munitions and things that we needed for war, housing people all underground, right across the UK.
	Yeah, apparently in the Midlands, it was specifically the Midlands because, and again, I'd not thought about this, but it was explained to me that the reason why the Midlands was so important is that the Russians would have taken out all our road infrastructure or most of it, but they wouldn't have been able to take away the canals.
	So the canals and of course the canals all gravitate from different parts of the country and they all seem to gravitate towards the Midlands.
	That's the place where they all meet up.
	So, we'd be using the canal systems to actually communicate and actually move goods and everything else as well.
	So, it was ideal that this place.
	I'm assuming that's the same thing.
	What is the difference between this and what a lot of people I speak with do, a ghost hunt?
	It's we're being more, let's say, these caves have been used.
	I mean, most haunted have used them in the past, and we just have people running around and screaming and pretending they're seeing ghosts and things.
	We're trying to actually dig in a little bit deeper here.
	We're trying to understand, and my next book will be about this.
	When we talk about entities, when we talk about alien encounters, when we talk about DMT encounters with the machine elves, when we talk about poltergeist activity, what are we really talking about?
	What are these things?
	Do they have independent existence of us or are they some form of emanation of our subconscious?
	Now, these are the things we're trying to discover here.
	We're trying to do the science of it rather than just saying, oh, there's ghosties there and there's poltergeists.
	The question has to ask, you know, how does a poltergeist throw a stone at you?
	The guy was telling me, one of the guys that will be here with me, he was saying they did an experiment while he was down there a few months ago where the entity was actually, they were communicating with this thing and it was making noises.
	And, you know, they say what's one and one and it make two knocks and things.
	And they said, well, prove what, will you throw a can back at us?
	And they had a can of Coke.
	And he told me that they threw the can of coke in front of them into one of the rooms.
	And they heard the can of coke land and then it bounced behind them and hit the ground behind them.
	It literally, like an apport, it had moved from in front of them to behind them.
	And he was telling me that, and this guy's doing his PhD in the subject.
	And he said it was the most disturbing thing that's ever happened to him.
	So the object was in some way transposed.
	Correct.
	It was transposed in a different location in space.
	And it's how did the entity do that?
	What motive forces did the entity do to do that?
	If indeed it was just an entity, you know?
	So you're accepting that entities as ghost hunters and people who experiment and research in these things, those things, there may well be entities as we call them?
	Or are you suggesting that entities may in some way be a reflection of this holographic universe?
	I think that what my work is coming to the conclusion is that there are different rooted realities, that this, and there are different levels of the simulation we're existing within.
	Now, if you look into a lot of occult law and you look into many belief systems, there's the idea that there are different levels of reality and we are at the base level, the real, what we're basically solid for want of a better term.
	But if you start moving away from this realm, It starts to get more ephemeral and more diffuse as you go through what they would call the higher levels.
	And these entities seem to exist in these kind of intermediate areas where they can actually come into our area.
	Now, my inquiry will be: what are motivating them?
	You know, for instance, aliens, for crying out loud, they supposedly travel across the vast distances of space, if you believe in the extraterrestrial hypothesis, to travel here, to abduct people and experiment on them using the most crude methods possible.
	Now, we have MRI scans, we have scanners that can scan the inside of the body, but our aliens seem to need to torture people.
	Now, to me, this is evident, and it is evidence of the fact that this is a deeper thought process.
	It is to do with shamanic traveling, because if you look into the old beliefs of the shamans, the idea is when you go shamanic traveling, one of the things you do is your body is rent apart.
	Your body is torn.
	Your innards are torn out of you.
	So there's a kind of parallel here.
	So are you saying that those people who tell us that they've been abducted by aliens and maybe experimented upon, and many cases, famous cases, cases that I've dealt with on this show, I've spoken to the people, where they think they're being put on a table and experimented with.
	And in fact, in one case, at least, the person thought that something along the lines of an MRI scanner was being used on them by some creature.
	That those things are actually a creation, a creation of themselves.
	They're going through what you're talking about, and the aliens are a construct.
	Well, put it this way.
	If you look at, and I've studied ufology for the last 50 years, if you look at it, it culturally tracks.
	You know, if you look back into the original UFO sightings, you know, the airships, the airships that were supposedly seen in America at the turn of the last century, it's airships.
	So they're always just slightly ahead of our technology.
	It's as if they are doing things that we could vaguely understand.
	Now, it comes as no surprise to me that suddenly now people are seeing MRI scanners in alien abduction scenarios because they're things we can understand.
	So we populate or something populates the experience that we have with things we can understand, which suggests that it's far more culturally biased than we'd like to believe.
	But the other parallels here can be made because DMT experiences.
	There are so many DMT experiences, dimethyltryptamine experiences that people have that parallel very, very closely alien abductions.
	The aliens are very, very consistent.
	The aliens seem to look the same.
	The aliens seem to look like the others have always looked, right through history, from elves to goblins.
	These things, it's much, much deeper.
	It's much more interesting phenomenon.
	But I believe it's been done to us.
	I don't believe it is part of our subconscious.
	And I do not believe that people, when they have these experiences, are making them up.
	Far from it.
	So it's being done to us by what or whom?
	That's the big question.
	And indeed, the question is why it is being done.
	There is a game being played.
	There seems to be almost the cosmic joker.
	There seems to be this area of slightly ridiculous scenarios, you know, where the aliens do the most odd things.
	Now, you could, if you were a skeptic, you would say, well, that's because the person's making the story up.
	And therefore, they are making the story up within their understanding of how the universe works.
	I mean, there was the famous case, wasn't there, of the guy that was given pancakes by aliens.
	There was another guy in the 1960s who the aliens didn't want his dog.
	They abducted the dog and the aliens didn't want the dog inside the spaceship.
	So they put him outside the spaceship.
	These kind of things.
	It's clearly something far deeper and in many ways far more disturbing.
	Because as somebody said, I was recently reading an academic article on this to do with DMT entities.
	And the question was asked was, what are their motivations?
	Because for most of the time, they seem at best indifferent to us.
	You know, we had in the 1950s and 1960s, the masters coming from space that were trying to save us, the space brothers.
	That was wishful thinking.
	It seems that at best they are ambivalent to us.
	And somebody said, they're almost like shepherds, in the sense, the way they deal with us, as if we are an intelligent form of, not a stupid form of life, but something to be grown and looked after.
	Now, of course, something related to them.
	Yes.
	Now, the question is, if you use the shepherd analogy, a shepherd uses sheep.
	And what do they use sheep for?
	They use sheep for food.
	They use sheep for other purposes other than just curing for the sheep.
	They cur for the sheep because there's ulterior motives.
	Now, an associate of mine, Paul Lino, who is a paranormal researcher in America, Paul argues that they're parasites.
	There's some kind of energy parasitism taking place here.
	And it's to do maybe with energy.
	It's maybe to do with draining the energy from us.
	Not quite sure.
	But these are the areas that I'm moving into.
	And I'm talking to more and more serious researchers in terms of the phenomenon to find out exactly what is happening.
	Because there's definitely something.
	For instance, in my last book, Opening the Doors of Perception, I discuss in great detail hallucinations and the nature of hallucinations and the science of hallucinations, the neurochemistry of hallucinations.
	Hallucinations are far more peculiar than we ever laid ourselves to believe.
	They are just as real.
	In fact, one could argue that our perception of the universe now, as you and I are sitting here, our brains are creating inwardly generated hallucinations now to account for the world around us.
	And the only reason that an hallucination is called an hallucination is because it's not shared by anybody else.
	But I know of people that have had out-of-the-body experiences where they have met people they know, and they've come back, and they've swapped information in the out-of-body state, which means that that reality- Yes, yes.
	In fact, I'll tell you a story that really is stunning.
	One of the people that approached me when I first wrote my book on the out-of-the-body experiences, and he cited an example, which I still find incredible.
	A guy called Graham Nichols, you've got to have him on the show.
	He's an English guy, he lives in Estonia, and he's been training people in out-of-body experiences for years.
	In 1999, he was giving a talk and his knees went and he lost consciousness.
	He found himself in an out-of-the-body state where he was in a jungle and it was hot and he was wandering around.
	As he was wandering around in the jungle, he suddenly parted the plants and he stepped out and he was on the corner of Wardore Street and Old Compton Street in Soho.
	As he's standing there, he's in a state of shock and he can hear people calling him, the people from the lecture theater.
	He could hear these voices in the distance going, Graham, Graham, are you okay?
	As he's listening to this, a kid runs past him and he felt the displacement of the air.
	So he knew he was physically in another location.
	He looks down Old Compton Street, I think it was, and he looks down the street.
	And as he does so, he sees an explosion take place halfway down the street.
	People are struggling coming out of this pub, covered in blood.
	They're cut to pieces.
	They're in bad state.
	Suddenly, he finds himself raising up and he comes to.
	The first thing he says to everybody around him was, there is going to be a terrorist attack in Soho soon and it's going to be in a pub.
	There was a nail bombing.
	It was a nail bombing.
	It was five days before.
	It was five days before the nail bombing of the Admiral Duncan.
	2001, the Admiral Duncan, wasn't it?
	Yeah, the Admiral Duncan.
	He saw the Admiral Duncan and the guys, when he came to, the guys, he's got written affidavits from these people, signed affidavits from these people to say that he predicted this.
	Now, this, in any shape or form, is totally inexplicable within our present science paradigm.
	But it happened.
	Well, listen, I was on duty on Capitol Radio when that happened.
	So it's a very fresh story to me.
	And in fact, Capitol Radio, as you know, is Leicester Square, just around the corner from there.
	Something that was just around the corner from us.
	It was in my later years at Capitol Radio, so I remember that story.
	Very, very disturbing that such things could happen.
	At the time, do you know, did he tell anybody about that?
	I mean, how would you tell the authorities?
	Oh, did he tell the authorities?
	No, he didn't.
	He didn't.
	And I guess the point is that would anybody listen to you if he did?
	There is.
	There is a fellow person from Merseyside who approached me about eight or nine years ago, who was a university lecturer at the University of Liverpool in law.
	And he'd had a series of precognition of precognitive events, one of which I still have somewhere the copy of the facts he sent to British Airways.
	He had a dream sequence, and he's been precognitive since his childhood.
	He was born with a call over him and he always seemed to see the future.
	Highly intelligent man.
	He was saying to me that he was in a dream sequence and he's in a hotel room.
	And as he's in the hotel room, he becomes semi-aware of the fact he's lucid dreaming.
	He walks towards the window and as he looks out the window, he sees Concorde go past him with its tail on fire.
	As indeed happened in Paris.
	Indeed.
	He then sees the plane crash.
	Okay.
	He knows it's not the summer because there's not leaves on the trees that he can see.
	But what was even weirder was a few seconds after the crash, he felt consciousnesses going through him and they were speaking in German.
	And the consciousness were saying, what has happened?
	Where are we going?
	What's happening?
	Because he speaks German.
	When he came to, the first thing he did was he sent this fax to British Airways because he said, a Concorde is going to crash somewhere.
	I think it's foreign.
	I don't think it's in the UK.
	So therefore, it's likely to be somewhere, probably Europe, because it was taking off, but it could be anywhere.
	But he said, I feel it's Europe and there will be German people on board.
	Concorde crashed about six or seven months later.
	Now, as you know, Concorde had never had an incident before.
	He sees Concorde with the tail on fire.
	But what is more fascinating is the people who died on the plane were German tourists.
	Yes, I remember the reports.
	I do.
	Now, here we have, again, evidence, and it's a dated facts he sent.
	So here, again, the only way you can get around this is to say it's coincidence.
	And of course, we have to say, Tony, that we only have his word for this.
	We do.
	We do.
	Absolutely, we do.
	It's a very impactful and chilling story, but we only have his word for this.
	But with Graham, we don't need Graham's word for it because he has his witnesses.
	So Graham's word is supported by other people.
	Of course, the skeptics would turn around and say, well, you know, they're all making it up together.
	They're all in it together.
	And this is one of the biggest frustrations I have in my research, is that the present science is stuck in such a paradigm, it refuses to acknowledge that these experiences are common and regular.
	I get messages normally two or three a week from people who have had experiences that support my overall hypothesis.
	People who have deja vu sensations, precognitive deja vu sensations, people who've had near-death experiences, people who've had out-of-the-body experiences.
	These things happen to people.
	But if they are so common, I guess the question that most of us would be asking is, why can't we all do them and program for them in a way that would be useful to us?
	I mean, I would love to know, you know, career-wise, how's it going to go this year?
	You know, I would like to be able to do that and it to be of some use to me.
	Okay.
	The question here is, is what future you're seeing?
	One person that communicated with me, another friend, another person from Merseyside, a guy from Bromborough, contacted me.
	He now literally is a rocket scientist.
	Literally, he has his PhD in rocket science from Manchester.
	And he has a tumor on his pineal gland.
	And he has deja vu precognitive experiences where he knows what's going to happen for the next 15, 20 seconds.
	I turned around to him and I said, if you know what is going to happen in the next 15 or 20 seconds, why don't you turn around and say to the person, I know what you're going to say or I know what you're going to do.
	And he said a very pertinent point.
	He said, if I do that, they won't do it.
	Because if I turn around to you, if I suddenly have a precognition that you're going to say something and I turn around and say, Howard, this is what you're going to say, you're going to say, oh, really?
	So you're not going to say what you said.
	Doesn't that disprove the whole thing then?
	Well, no, it's because if you don't change what's the environment around you, the events will then take place.
	Now, for instance, if Graham had told people there were going to be a bombing in the street, the bombing wouldn't have taken place.
	So people would have said he was wrong.
	If the people had reacted to my associate in Liverpool, the university lecturer's letter, Concorde wouldn't have crashed, in which case he'd have been proven wrong.
	You can only prove the future if the future happens the way you've described it.
	Now, what I'm arguing here is there are many elements of quantum physics which suggests that there are many futures.
	And again, Stephen Hawkins does this.
	He's got something called the top-down hype.
	Yeah, the top-down hypothesis of quantum physics.
	It's the interaction.
	It's one of the two.
	And the idea is that every single outcome of every decision we make is that there in potentiality.
	Our actions collapse the wave function of that particular timeline.
	But there are other timelines that we could also follow.
	So sometimes predictions come correct because they haven't been influenced in some way.
	So you have to be very, very careful.
	So the only way to do this then is for people who have this ability or have learned how to activate this ability or have some kind of condition that means that they have an enhanced version of this ability is to do it scientifically and to write down the prophecy, seal it away, have it stamped and certified, put it in a vault, and then open it up after the event then.
	This is one way forward and that has been done in the past and has been quite effective.
	But to me, my last book was called Opening the Doors of Perception.
	And in this book, I discuss why it is, the very question, why is it that certain people have these abilities and other people don't?
	And I argue it's neurological.
	I argue it is to do with the way the brain is structured by certain individuals.
	You will guarantee that most people who have these effects will have a series of unusual neurological conditions.
	They will either be classical migrainers, they will experience temporal lobe epilepsy, they may experience schizophrenia, they may experience autism, they may experience Alzheimer's, they may experience bipolar disorder.
	So does this mean that their physical or mental condition somehow unlocks something that is there for all of us all the time, but we must the brain is an attenuator.
	From Henri Bergson's time onwards, Henri Bergson was a French philosopher in the late 19th century.
	And then C.D. Broad.
	C.D. Broad was a British philosopher, and he argued that the brain takes out information.
	It doesn't give us all the information because we couldn't function within this particular environment if we were overloaded with information.
	This is why children who have autism have what's called the busy world syndrome.
	They cannot stand it because they're hearing everything.
	They hear all the noises, the sounds.
	They pick up on everything.
	I also argue that many children in this state are also precognitive.
	They're also telepathic.
	So what we're saying then is, and I'm sorry to interrupt, is that there are layers of perception.
	And those layers of perception are always there.
	The only issue is to what extent you are enabled to realize those layers of perception.
	Correct, correct.
	As I say, how wide your doors of perception are, for most of us, they're locked shut or occasionally during dreaming.
	And I think, for instance, why precognitive dreaming takes place with a lot of people is because I argue there's a release of dimethyltryptamine.
	And dimethyltryptamine facilitates dreaming.
	So therefore, dimethyltryptamine helps us open our own doors of perception.
	And again, I argue that the pineal gland can synthesize dimethyltryptamine from melatonin within the brain.
	Well, look, I believe that such things can happen because, as I've told listeners on some of the things that I've done, I had a precognitive dream about 9-11 a few days, three or maybe two, I mean, it's years ago now, but three or maybe two before it happened.
	And I dreamt and woke up in a state of great disturbance because I just didn't know what it meant.
	I dreamt that a plane slid out of the sky, literally slid out of the sky and went into a field, leaving an enormous great indentation or pit.
	And of course, what I later saw on the news was the plane that was brought down, we're told, by the passengers in Pennsylvania, who made an effort to stop the hijackers.
	And in my dream, now there may be some kind of weird coincidence, but I can't remember having seen anything on TV or watched a movie or anything like that.
	That's what I saw in my dream.
	And that's why I believe that there is a definite possibility that such things do happen to ordinary people like me.
	The mechanism here was first suggested by a guy called John William Dunn in 1927 when he wrote a book called An Experiment with Time.
	And John William Dunn, and indeed J.B. Priestley, my last book is on J.B. Priestley, the British playwright.
	I'm glad you got around to that.
	Okay, and Priestley was influenced by J.W. Dunn.
	And in fact, his play, Time and the Conways, was based upon Dunn's theories.
	Now, Dunn argues that precognitive dreams are not you precognizing the actual event.
	And it's very clever.
	You're precognizing your reading of a newspaper or seeing a news report in your immediate future, which then back creates your dream.
	Because there are some very interesting factors if you look into a lot of precognitions that take place.
	People get things slightly wrong.
	And they usually get things slightly wrong because they're picking up on future news reports rather than witnessing the event themselves.
	And again, in my book, The Labyrinth of Time, I go into great detail on how time itself is not what it seems and therefore precognition can be explained.
	Now, Priestley, for instance, you'd be interested to know that I did an event at the National Theatre a few years ago.
	I spoke before a production of Time and the Conways on the National Theatre.
	I was invited down to speak with Professor Jeff Forshaw, one of the world's leading quantum physicists, Britain's leading quantum physicists.
	In fact, he was Brian Cox's PhD tutor, and they write books together now.
	Priestley was written in 1962, 63, I think it was.
	Priestley was on Monitor, the television programme, with Hugh Weldon.
	And Hugh Weldon, at the end of this programme, Priestley was writing a book at the time called Man and Time.
	And Weldon asked the audience, would they send in letters of people who'd had extraordinary time anomaly experiences?
	And would they write to him?
	Priestley was expecting to get around half a dozen.
	He got about five or six thousand.
	Now, I am the only person, when Priestley died in 1984, Tom Priestley, his son, found the letters and donated them to the Cambridge University Library, the Library of Documents.
	And a couple of academics have looked at a few of them, including one of the academics that wrote the foreword to my book.
	But I'm the only person that's been through all these letters consistently.
	Now, these letters are unbelievable.
	They are a snapshot of Britain as just before the Beatles started.
	And so you had people who've had experience of the First World War and the Second World War.
	There are so many experiences of precognition happening to ordinary people, uncanny ones.
	There's some many, again, using the Merseyside reference, there are three or four letters from people on Merseyside describing houses that they were going to move into in the 1950s in Birkenhead when people moved from Rock Ferry out to the further out.
	We have to just say for listeners in different parts of the world, Liverpool is a city, as I guess most people know, on the River Mersey, international city where the ships, you know, my father worked on the police, in the police on the docks for many years, but where the ships used to go to all corners of the world, but in particular Canada and the United States.
	And directly opposite Liverpool is a kind of very small scale twin is a place called Bergenhead where they made the ships.
	Yes.
	Camelard.
	Camelard.
	So some of these letters, now one of them, I still, my head, I cannot get around it.
	This is how stunning precognitions are.
	In fact, there's a double whammy in terms of this one.
	One of the letters, the guy is writing, he writes about the fact that he was planning to go to the Farnborough Earth Show, I think about 1953, something like that.
	And he was on holiday down in Dorset with his wife.
	On the Friday, on the Thursday night, as they were going to go to the Farnborough Earth Show on the Friday, as the wife wakes up the next morning, she said, I don't want to go to the Earth Show.
	And the guy turns around and says to his wife, why?
	And she said, there's going to be a terrible crash.
	There's going to be people killed.
	It's going to be awful.
	One of the planes is going to disintegrate and an engine's going to hit people that are watching it.
	He talks her out of it.
	They go to the airshow.
	As they're standing there, she grabs his hand as this plane goes over and she said, oh my God, it's that plane.
	And it was the D. Havilland C. Vixen.
	And it was being flown by two people, John Derry and a guy called Tony Holland.
	John Derry was one of the top test pilots at that time.
	The C-Vixen had a very, very interesting look.
	It was a very, it was kind of a V-sweep back wing aircraft.
	It went through, it went over and it went through the sound barrier and it landed.
	And the woman said, oh, dear.
	And the husband turned around and he said, yes, you're wrong.
	You said that the plane, because in the dream, she said the plane was silver.
	The plane that landed was black.
	And she said, oh, shoot, I obviously, I was wrong.
	They go home that night.
	And either that night or the next morning, there's news on the radio.
	Scores of people have been killed.
	John Derry's been killed.
	Tony Holland's been killed.
	The plane disintegrated in exactly how she described.
	But the curious thing is, what happened was the black plane went tech.
	It couldn't fly.
	So Derry went back to Cardington and flew the prototype that hadn't been painted.
	It was silver.
	It was the silver plane that disintegrated and killed the people.
	This to me was absolute proof of what I said earlier on.
	She was not remembering the accident.
	She was remembering seeing the film.
	Now, if you go onto YouTube, you can see the film from Pathé News of the silver aircraft going over and disintegrating.
	Now, you'll love this.
	I told this story to a group of my readers at the Walker Art Gallery in Liverpool.
	I used to meet people there every second Tuesday.
	We're talking away, and then suddenly one of the members of the group who just was visiting Liverpool, originally from Liverpool, a guy called Professor Sean Street, who used to work for the BBC.
	Yes, I know him.
	You know Sean?
	Okay, you know Sean.
	Sean is sitting there and he starts nodding his head and he's saying, and I tell the story and I say, Sean, what was the problem?
	And he said, do you know you were talking about synchronicities and significant coincidence?
	What is the chance of you telling that story to a group of people, to one of the people in the group who was actually there that day and saw the plane crash?
	And not only that, I've done two radio programs on it.
	And he said, do you know when I got up that morning, my mother stood at the doorway and she said to me and my father, please don't stand where you're going to stand.
	I have a terrible feeling there's going to be something awful happen.
	They didn't stand where the engine came down.
	To me, that is powerful.
	Can it be proven?
	No.
	Was the guy making it up?
	He could have done.
	But why would he?
	You know, he never claimed any fame.
	And that's a litmus test that we can apply to many things.
	I can apply that to Many strange coincidences in my own life.
	But, you know, I'm not unique.
	I think that goes for an awful lot of people who think.
	I think that's just a fact.
	The difficulty we've got is that we want to apply science to this, Tony.
	And it's very, very hard to do that.
	As you say, it's very hard to quantify and to prove.
	It is possible to prove it scientifically.
	And in my books, I do prove it scientifically.
	This is why my writing, and I get very frustrated.
	My writing is doing the science.
	There is nothing in my books that isn't science.
	In my books, if you read my books, every single reference, I refer back to my source documents, my source material, my peer-reviewed documents.
	So my readers have to take my word for it.
	When Anti-Peak turns around and says that there's the glial network within the brain and the brain doesn't necessarily communicate using neurons and neurochemicals, but it communicates through the glial network, they can go to the papers and the papers will tell them.
	When I say that there's evidence that children who have certain conditions can be precognitive and they hear too much and their brain cannot deal with it, the papers are there.
	I deal with things like, I know my mother had a series of strange incidents that took place where she saw a grey in her bedroom.
	It entered her bedroom and she doesn't know anything about UFO.
	She described a grey to absolute particular detail.
	And did she tell everybody about that outside?
	No, she only told me.
	She phoned up.
	What happened was, again, Merseyside, she was walking home with my aunt.
	I live on Bromerpool Village near Port Sunlight.
	As they're walking home, my aunt stops to tie her shoelace.
	My mother looked up and she saw what she said was a cloud of smoke hovering over Price's factory.
	It then shot off towards North Wales.
	She phones me to say she'd seen this.
	Two days later, she phones me and she was in a state.
	She lives on her own.
	She was in a state of shock.
	She was in a state of what's called sleep paralysis.
	She was on her own and she said the bedroom door was open.
	And she said, I looked at the bedroom door and spindly fingers came round the door and this little creature popped its head around it.
	It had huge black eyes.
	It had two slits.
	It had a slip for a slip, two holes for a nose and a slit for a mouse.
	And she said it saw me and dodged back.
	Now, this was the first time I started to understand what was happening with my mother.
	She then sank into Alzheimer's and dementia.
	This was the first thing that was happening.
	Her doors of perception were breaking down.
	And the reason she was doing this was that the amyloid plaques that destroy the microtubules within the brain.
	And because these are being destroyed by the amyloid plaques, the doors of perception start to get opened.
	And if you look at this, it's intriguing because young children describe exactly the same things.
	There are lots of drawings I've got of children who describe elves and everything else.
	The reason this is happening with young children is the corpus callosum has not grown fully and the neurons of the brain are not myelinated.
	Well, how do you explain this then?
	And this is another Liverpool story because that's, as you know, that's where I grew up.
	I grew up in Crosby.
	And I think I may have told this story once on one of the outlets that I've been on.
	Maybe on this podcast.
	I'm not sure.
	I can't remember.
	My family know this, but I don't tell many people.
	I was 17 years of age, and life was opening up for me, and I was trying to get into radio, and I was starting to get noticed.
	But I remember being in my bedroom in Crosby, and I'm not making this up, and I'm not just saying this to give you a Me Too story.
	You know, this happened, and I don't understand what it was, but I know what I saw.
	I looked to the door frame of my bedroom, and it only happened once, and it was such a surprise, it didn't frighten me or anything.
	I saw a tall, spindly creature that wasn't really quite grey.
	It was more sort of bone-coloured, to tell you the truth, more the colour of bone, more cream-coloured, if anything, with very thin, long, spindly fingers and a long head.
	Only for the fraction of a second, and when it realized I'd seen it, it darted back beyond the door frame.
	That is a true story.
	I hadn't been drinking.
	In those days, you know, nobody I knew did drugs.
	I was a very clean-living young guy.
	I was completely as I am now, really.
	You know, I was only motivated by wanting to be on the radio.
	That was all I was interested in.
	And that happened in Crosby, a suburb of Liverpool, when I was 17 years of age.
	And I'm not telling you how many years ago that was, but, you know, that's my story.
	Well, this is it.
	I mean, I find that all the time, people send me these stories all the time.
	It is such a common phenomenon.
	There is clearly something happening here.
	And it's been happening for as long as time immemorial.
	You know, there is something.
	And my quest is to try and understand it.
	I don't have any answers yet.
	I'm not coming to any conclusions yet at all because that's not what I do.
	But I will continue to use the science and I will continue to take people's word for it.
	But obviously, I need a corroborative evidence if I can, but I don't necessarily...
	And I tend to find that people who do tend to be genuine.
	And you have to misinterpret that.
	You subject it to the why test.
	And you've said this once already yourself anyway.
	And being a journalist, it's something that I use all the time.
	Well, okay, we don't have any other evidence, but ask yourself the question, why would the person say that?
	Yeah, exactly.
	And that's the best standard, I think, as human beings at the moment that we have.
	Tony, we're out of time, I'm afraid.
	We need to do this more often, though.
	We normally leave it a couple of years, and we need to do this more often than that.
	Because the great thing about you, as I said, I've got a couple of bullet points on a piece of paper here, and I put them to one side after the start of this, because we can just talk.
	Good luck with the presentation that you're giving next week, Tony, as we record this.
	And good luck with the new book as well.
	And everything that you do.
	I think it's very important that we have people who question and people who think and people who don't Necessarily accept everything that they're told.
	Otherwise, I think personally that we're all lost.
	So I'm glad that you're here.
	Wonderful.
	Thank you, Howard.
	As always, wonderful to talk to you.
	Thank you very much.
	And what's your website for people who want to go there and see more about anthonypeak.com?
	That's Anthony with an H, and it's P-E-A-K-E, as in the astronaut.
	And also, I'm very active on Facebook as well.
	So just look up Anthony Peake on Facebook.
	You will find me.
	You can't miss me over there.
	Join in.
	Give me your experiences.
	Pleasure as always, Tony.
	Thank you very much.
	Okay.
	Thanks, Howard.
	Thanks.
	Bye-bye.
	Anthony Peake, and I will put a link to his work on my website, theunexplained.tv.
	Watch out for the new website coming very soon.
	More great guests in the pipeline here.
	Always good to get your feedback, by the way, if you want to send me an email through the website, theunexplained.tv.
	The new website will give you various ways to contact me, but you can always send me an email with guest suggestions and thoughts on the show.
	I love to get those, and they're very useful for me to develop myself and develop this product.
	I don't like calling it a product.
	It's more organic than that.
	It's something that we've, you and me, have developed between each other over all of these years that we've been doing it.
	So, as I said, more great guests in the pipeline here on the unexplained coming soon.
	Until next, we meet here on the unexplained online.
	My name is Howard Hughes.
	I am in London.
	And please, stay safe, stay calm, and above all else, please stay in touch.
	Thank you very much.
	Take care.

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