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Edition 207 - Richard C. Hoagland

An early-summer update from Richard Hoagland - direct from Albuquerque, New Mexico...

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	Across the UK, across continental North America, and around the world, on the internet, by webcast and by podcast, my name is Howard Hughes, and this is The Unexplained.
	Thank you for keeping the faith with me and my show.
	Thank you to all of the people who support me around this world, especially people like Rose Writer, the musician in Canada.
	Thank you very much for just your messages of support that have seen me through these recent challenging years.
	Challenging weather we've got here in the UK.
	It's the 2nd of June as I record these words in the very early morning time.
	We have a storm in London.
	The trees are shaking.
	The rain is hammering my window.
	And at the moment, but I think it's on its way.
	There is no sign of summer.
	But like I say, I think it's coming.
	And down in the southern hemisphere, I know you're just about curving into winter right now, so the world keeps turning.
	Thank you very much to my webmaster, as ever, Adam Cornwell at Creative Hotspot in Liverpool, for getting the show out to you.
	No shout-outs on this edition, because we have an important guest.
	The return of Richard C. Hoagland with some important news for you and also answering one or two questions that we have for him.
	So he's coming right up.
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	Very, very important that you do if you can.
	Okay, let's get to Albuquerque, New Mexico.
	It's early in the morning here in the UK.
	It's even earlier there.
	And talk to Richard C. Hoagland returning to this show.
	Richard, nice to have you back on.
	Well, it's nice to be invited back.
	Well, you know, it's one of those things, Richard.
	You are one of those guests.
	We have these things in England.
	I'm sure you have them.
	They're plants which they call hardy perennials.
	They're always there and people always want to see them.
	With you and my listeners, people always want to hear you.
	Well, obviously then we're convincing people that what we're searching for is worth searching for.
	Okay, well, that's a very good point.
	Before we get stuck into the discussion, what are we searching for?
	The truth.
	We have found, I mean, the sum total of my last 30, 40 years of doing this since I left, you know, technically the mainstream, Cronkite and the museum and networks and all that, has been the discovery that we're being lied to about everything.
	In every possible imaginable direction, nobody's telling us the truth.
	If you watch mainstream news of, hell, you work for the VBC, you know that half the stories you're now reporting are people discovering they've been lied to.
	The Constitution of the United States has been shredded under our very eyes, and we just sit back until Rand Paul did his thing a few days ago in the Senate, where he stopped the Patriot Act in its tracks.
	We found out that that's all been a lie.
	That, yes, they're monitoring every single damn call we make to anybody, including this one.
	Yesterday in the UK, there was a story that a request to go into people's data in this country is made on average every two minutes, which is a staggering statistic if it's true.
	Well, imagine what it takes in the way of computer power to keep track of 300-plus million people, the current population of the U.S., 24-7 with all their tweets and their Instagrams and their Facebook checks and their news checks and their texting and all of that, not to mention phone calls.
	All of that has been vacuumed up by a government which has categorically been shown over and over again, the Iraq war notwithstanding, to be built on a total set of lies.
	And over the years, you've been a bit of a fly in some people's ointments in terms of NASA, in terms of the government, with some of the stuff you've been coming out with.
	Have you been conscious of being monitored?
	Are you monitored?
	Of course.
	We all are.
	There is no more privacy.
	There is no Fourth Amendment in the U.S. Constitution.
	And what's fascinating is to watch what's called politically now the pushback.
	Finally, this intrusive, overwhelming control of every single thought you have and a monitoring of all those thoughts and then an indoctrination with television and commercials and media of all kinds up to and including social media.
	In all of that, there are a few bright stars suddenly appearing like people saying, wait a minute, enough is enough.
	I've been saying on the NASA front, vis-a-vis the official lying that we're alone, that we're not surrounded by a solar system now filled with extraordinary ruins and stories and people and ancestors and a whole history from which we have been forbidden by absolute abject lying from knowing anything about.
	From a point where I was a lone voice saying this, to now there are a chorus of voices, you being one of them.
	The multiplicity of shows like this one in all formats, on all parts of the internet, in all languages, in all parts of the globe, has become a quiet background covering a range of topics far afield from the so-called paranormal that Art Bell pioneered so many years ago.
	Yep, I think quite often the mainstream media simply has its eye off the bowl.
	I think the mainstream media tends to buy the press release and doesn't really look beyond it.
	Or they're an unofficial organ of the controllers trying to control every single thing we think and hear and see and believe.
	Because you can't see so many dumb people all collected as the so-called media and not say that it's got to be some kind of a conspiracy, that certain things are verboten or they're to be laughed at or they're to be trivialized, you know, redolently over and over and over again and never to be taken seriously.
	I mean, how many million TV shows have you seen, because you get the same TV that we do, on travel channel and the history channel and the science channel and every channel about UFOs?
	Endless, endless, endless stories and documentaries and repetitive series and programs about UFOs, right?
	Oh, yeah, I mean, always, but not often on the mainstream channels here.
	Not often on mainstream.
	Hang on.
	But that is mainstream.
	The Discovery Channel is mainstream.
	Yeah, well, I'm talking about the channels that people see day by day.
	Well, but you have to be someone who is interested in anything going on above your head.
	Since most people aren't, they don't count.
	They have self-selected themselves out of the equation.
	It's only people that give a damn that change history.
	So by definition, you're dealing with a small percentage, a minority of the whole culture.
	They're the ones that are the fulcrum.
	They're the ones that we talk to, that we communicate with, that we hope to communicate more with, because they're the ones that will change what seems on the part of everybody else to be simply inevitable.
	Yeah, well, sometimes I dispaper it all, Richard.
	A couple of nights ago here in the UK, the main talent show on television, which I do not watch, gave up on a long time ago, was won by a dog.
	That's where we're going.
	It sounds like a joke.
	It's absolutely true.
	And now, of course, we've got animal rights people saying, and I think they might have a point, should this be happening.
	There is another Hoagland prediction come true.
	Many, many, many years ago, when I was doing an art show in the beginning, and the internet was just coming in, one night I said to him, you realize, Art, that on the internet, no one knows you're a dog.
	And now it's come full circle to where the dog has been revealed.
	What is dog spelled backward?
	Oh, yes, I know.
	I know, God.
	And what does dog stand for among the ritualists that we found that permeate so many different levels from this research going on for 30 plus years now of not only NASA, but the White House, the Pentagon, every tier of society,
	you know, the peerage in England, the House of Lords, God, even, you know, the queen herself, are part of a system of beliefs that are in veneration of the dog star, which is the star Sirius, which is ISIS.
	Oh my gosh, what's been going on in the news for the last couple of years that's totally been benumbing everybody and focusing all their attention on the Middle East and fear and loathing and horror?
	It's an organization named ISIS.
	Obviously, you think that's more than coincidence.
	Of course it's more than coincidence.
	FDR, one of our great presidents, you know, 33rd degree Mason, said during his long and incredibly successful political career, he said, in politics, there's no such thing as coincidence.
	We are living in the matrix, Howard.
	If not physically, then certainly through all the media inputs to get us to believe or think or feel or resonate with a particular point of view.
	You know, in the 50s, there were books, novels that venerated the adman.
	We just had the conclusion of an incredible series, which was all about making heroes of what?
	Admen.
	People who can convince society to do anything.
	And it just came to an end.
	The series just ended.
	What does that tell us about where they think they're going next?
	The point is, Howard, that in a world where it's all mirrors, all reflecting little contrived points of light as opposed to a real image, it's really hard to figure out what is the truth.
	And the stunning thing to me is that from where I began this research, seemingly ages and ages ago, it's only been three or four decades, and where we are right now, as we're doing this conversation, we know so much more about how we've been manipulated that yes, with full certainty, I can say that if it's that important for them to manipulate us on this issue, then what other issue is considered to be too trivial to have the manipulation in full place 24-7?
	Of course, with that background of the fog of stuff out there and the way that people are led like sheep, there would be those who would say, and I'm going to say it to you now, that this is a very good backdrop for people to spread lies, disinformation, or just pure misguided falsehood.
	Comes with the territory.
	Those things, of course, are things which are gleefully spreading all manner of lies against those people that are trying to buck the tide, trying to actually sound a clarion call about truth and standing up for what you believe and what you can verify in evidence and the scientific process in the area that I have chosen.
	Yeah, we have quite a few enemies, and they're the same tired list because there's not a lot of them.
	They're just very, very nicely paid.
	So their job, 24-7, is to make sure that whatever ideas we put out, whatever papers we publish, whatever discussions we enter into in public media are denigrated at every turn.
	Okay, well, I want to get into this quickly.
	You know what I'm going to say to you now.
	I get a lot of emails about you.
	I don't know.
	But so who cares?
	Yeah, no, a lot of good emails about you.
	I'm not going to waste.
	Look, it is 1 o'clock a.m. my time in Albuquerque.
	It is 8 o'clock, 8.15, actually, your time.
	You know, I am doing this because I care about your show.
	I care about your audience.
	I'm not going to waste time answering stupid, ridiculous accusations from known trolls.
	Trolls who have in the past tried to actually bribe me under sedition and subterfuge.
	I want to provide them data and did not have the guts to tell me that they wanted to subject us to independent tests.
	They actually went through this whole incredible chicanery to get access to information that we publish freely on the Enterprise website.
	These people have no character.
	They are certainly not any people that I would possibly want to answer to because they're not in the conversation.
	They are deliberate disinformation artists designed to submerge the truth.
	So let's move on to substantive issues in the limited time we have.
	All right, well, let's do that.
	But let me just address one thing, if I may, and then we move on.
	We're going to have to substantive issues.
	Okay, well, answer any of these stupid accusations.
	None, zero.
	All right.
	Well, you know, I tried.
	The person who emailed me and asked me to make a point to you about Explorer One and what you said about Explorer One and how that may have been based on incorrect assumptions.
	Yes, and you're trying to do it anyway.
	Well, I'm trying to do it anyway because that's my job.
	I'm a broadcaster.
	You know, it is a stupid, pointless discussion.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, look, I'm not going to bandy words about this because neither of us has the time you're dead, right, Richard?
	So let me ask you about this.
	And my emailers have been asking me about this, and you can tell me about this, I think, as much as you can.
	The return of Art Bell.
	A few people have said to me, when you get Hoagland back on here, he knows him.
	Let's get the low down on what's happening with art and the return.
	Notice how you want to take up this valuable time with soap opera.
	Why don't we discuss the incredible European mission to Comet 67P, which is not a comet.
	It's a huge ancient, ancient spacecraft.
	All the images totally confirm this.
	Now all you have to do is look at them.
	And it's covered with ritual Egyptian symbolism.
	The mission, the comet, the regions, the zones, the features, as if this isn't a huge screaming hint.
	Pay attention, and you want to talk to me about self-popper.
	Howard, I'm ashamed of you.
	All right.
	Just reassure those people who are looking for the return of Art Bell and keep emailing me about him.
	This is all on track as far as you know.
	And then we do move on to that.
	Hang on, hang on.
	This is kind of important.
	Art is coming back.
	His non-compete is over sometime mid-July.
	He's been planning this for a couple of years since Sirius Again radio, serious ritualism did him in and his attempt to come back two years ago.
	Frankly, now is a better time in terms of the symbolism and the pacing of events and the manipulations that are going on behind the scenes because there's some huge stuff coming up.
	And the reason we know this is because if you look at the images that the space agencies are putting out, not what they're saying, but just the images themselves, there are stunning artifacts, ancient, manufactured, now incredibly degraded and eroded and almost evanescent mechanical things on places in space there should be no such mechanical things because we're supposed to be the first in going there with mechanical things.
	Well, the images are proving, even if the agencies are totally not commenting yet, that what I have been saying for the last 30 years is absolutely 100% true.
	Remember, it only takes one white crow to prove all crows aren't black.
	And we've got a zillion now white crows all over all the official websites for ESSA, for NASA, for the Chinese Space Agency, for the Russian Space Agency, and certainly in terms of this mission to the comet that ESSA has been processing with extraordinary skill and gotten stunning data,
	and they're putting it all out there in public for people to finally figure out, oh my God, look at that.
	Talk to me about this mission then.
	Why were we going there?
	What were we hoping to find?
	And what do you think we have found?
	Well, the ostensible reason for this nine-year mission, 10-year mission, which is funded by the European consortium called the European Space Agency, of which Britain is one of the contributors, has been to send an unmanned robotic spacecraft,
	a very avant-garde robotic spacecraft, meaning that it's propelled by ion rockets as opposed to chemical rockets, which makes it a little more like driving a car someplace than sending spacecraft on long cruises where you have basically a lot of activity at the beginning, the launch, and then you have very little fuel or energy to do maneuvering when you get where you're going.
	So the mission is limited by the technology.
	Well, with ion rockets, that limitation is raised considerably by, let's say, a factor of 10.
	So they're able to literally tool around this comet, this bergy bit, as the models claim, which is hundreds of millions of miles from the Earth right now.
	But they're within 100 miles, 50 miles, 20 miles, zipping around, changing orbits, because the gravity field of a comet is minuscule, and the power of an ion engine is really, really, really high in terms of efficiency.
	So basically, they've been driving this unmanned spacecraft with big solar panels collecting solar energy, converting it into electricity, and the electricity into the acceleration of the ions out the back in an ion engine in a way that is really, you know,
	to be dreamed of by space engineers because it allows them to do all kinds of measurements and take all kinds of data and images from positions that normally you wouldn't get to do if you were dealing with space technology of, you know, last generation or a generation before.
	And out of all this activity have come thousands upon thousands upon thousands of images not released from the super high resolution scientific camera, which is run by a consortium of scientists in both the U.S. and in Europe.
	And they haven't shared very many images, maybe a couple dozen.
	But another group on the spacecraft, on the Rosetta spacecraft, as it's called, Rosetta after Rosetta Stone.
	Rosetta Stone is a metaphor for translating a totally unknown language.
	The metaphors are thick and fast and keep coming because this is a mission which is unveiling not a chunk of ice from the dawning of the solar system as the NASA mainstream and NASA mainstream models would say.
	But in fact, they have hitched a ride around and are now tooling around a surviving ancient spacecraft that is leaking volatile materials into space from its internal atmospheres and water storage and consumables and all the Prerequisites for keeping an awful lot of people in a volume a couple of miles across alive and well and happy when it was new,
	and this could have been millions and millions and millions and millions of years ago.
	So, what ESSA is doing, obviously, under the cover of a science mission to a comet is an actual stunning mission to an ancient piece of ancient ET technology now listlessly orbiting the sun as a derelict, still outgassing materials from its last movements around Jupiter, which gravitationally pushed it into an orbit closer to the sun than it's ever been.
	So the stuff that was super cold and frozen like ice inside is now warmed up and is outgassing, and you can see it on the pictures.
	Now, from millions of miles away, if you don't send a spacecraft to actually visit such an object, could you in terrestrial telescopes tell between real comets, i.e.
	natural leftover remnants of the forming solar system, billions of years old, and formerly air-containing, environmentally containing spaceships several miles across that are now ancient and punctured and leaking their internal contents into space because they've just come close enough to warm up those liquids and gases and turn them into vapors to escape from the shattered interior.
	Well, I would presume if that was the case with this, it would have some kind of halo around it.
	It does.
	And you can see it in all the pictures.
	Just go to the ESSA 67P and those two Russians, who I can't pronounce, but if you do a search and Google 67P ESSA website, it'll take you to the homepage of the Rosetta mission.
	And you can now get downloaded thousands upon thousands of stunning images.
	And all you have to do is to change your mind one little bit sideways.
	From thinking you're looking at a natural dead piece of rock and ice to thinking that you're looking at a magnificent piece of incredibly ancient and eroded machinery on a humongous scale, on a gargantuan scale, on a megalithic scale, on a super Earth-sized human scale.
	And bingo!
	The geometry and the corroded machines and the spars and the weird reflections of light and the anomalous bright things on dark surfaces and all the background order will pop out of the images.
	You just have to look and not come at it with a preconceived notion.
	Okay, so this is a secret mission.
	We've gone there with a pretext of trying to find out the origins of us from this, which is what astronomers have told me about it.
	But we knew that there was something else there.
	Why would we want to go?
	If we knew what was there, why would we want to go anyway?
	Well, A, to verify that the ancient records are real.
	Remember, in our model politically, the reason there's an in-crowd that knows that there's stuff out there that's not natural is they've had like a playlist, a secret playlist, which has been preserved down through time, through potentially thousands or even tens of thousands of years from the last terrestrial culture that ventured into space, because we're not the first.
	You have had umpteen guests and authors and investigators and researchers on your show who are attesting to the idea that ancient history on Earth is vastly different than what we've been taught in school.
	That there's huge swaths of human history that have simply disappeared from the record, including high-tech periods of human history in which there were space programs before ours.
	And they sent missions out there and they tried to do what we're doing, which is to figure out how this relates to us.
	What is our real, incredible, long-term, multi-mega-year history, as opposed to the artificial 6,000 years, which we've been taught in school is the essence and the epitome of human civilization.
	There's so much evidence now from so many different scientists and researchers and investigators, all knitted together via the internet, that we are certainly not the first and we're certainly not the brightest yet and we may not make it to duplicate what's been done before, which is to go out there and find out.
	So at the moment, there's only a handful of people with access to the money and technology and organizational expertise to put together these missions, and that's governments.
	And under the guise of science, the real mission on the part of NASA, the Chinese space program, the Russian space program, the Japanese space program, the European space program, all the space programs, is to figure out who the hell we really are and what our real history is while giving lip service to the science.
	Because the science can be done in an afternoon.
	Papers can be written under a refereed system where real, honest papers never get to see the light of day.
	Because the scientific system of publication is actually veil censorship.
	Peer review is veil censorship.
	Whereas the internet gives you access to people and papers and research that is stunning and light years ahead of the mainstream, and that's where the revolutions are going to come from and in the not too distant future, more like years than decades.
	And so we're at the beginning of a stunning curve where a lot of the things that I've talked about with you and I've talked about with Art and I've talked about with George and I've talked about on television and all the interviews and the bestsellers that I've written has been to basically present this model that we are not the first,
	that we have an incredible history which has been deliberately hidden from us, but we're now at the cusp of a total change in that political paradigm because the agencies in charge of taking the data are making the data available even if they're not talking about it.
	And that means politically a huge change must be coming and they're all covering their delicate posteriors.
	Okay, well NASA is an organization that you're very familiar with.
	We know how it works.
	It's easier to cover things up in the United States than in NASA, it seems To be because you have plausible deniability, it's one nation, you have a bunch of people, you only tell certain people certain things, and you can keep secrets.
	Now, the European Space Agency is something very different.
	You may have noted, Richard, if you've looked at the way that we're handling our politics in Europe and Britain, talking about splitting from the European Union, you know, Europe is something that is a federation of nations, all with a different view of things.
	If there was a secret agenda behind this mission, with all of these nations involved, does it strike you as strange or interesting in any way that so far nobody has broken ranks and actually spoken about the real purpose of this mission?
	Well, what would happen to them if they did, if they didn't have the evidence?
	Well, people do disappear, don't they?
	What?
	People do disappear, don't they?
	Well, I'm not thinking of that.
	I'm talking about just professionally.
	They would be completely ostracized from all the other folks.
	They would be cut off from access to any more data, the good data.
	They would not be able to publish.
	They wouldn't have a job because their job comes from one of the European governments or the private contractors who are getting their money from one of the European governments as part of this consortium called ESSA, the European Space Agency.
	So they'd basically be reduced to driving a cab.
	Who in their right mind if the game is rigged and even if they wound up on, you know, some, let's say the BBC, who the hell would believe them if they were one voice in a chorus saying, you're nuts.
	You cracked.
	You obviously have lost it.
	You need to go to a nice home to stroke kitties and, you know, take it off, take off a few years.
	And what we have to remember is that the old scientists of 200 years ago, whatever, could do their science in their back room by themselves because science was simpler.
	For the kind of science we're talking about here, you need big bucks.
	You need research funding.
	It wasn't so much simpler.
	It was more democratized.
	Because when you're doing science on Earth, you can't hide the Earth from anybody.
	Whereas in space, unless you have a huge and incredibly expensive infrastructure, which winds up getting a tapsule, a spacecraft, with maybe a dozen people collaborating on the instruments and maybe two or three people on the cameras, see how you funnel down from a nation of hundreds of millions down to three or four people?
	And you mean to tell me that you can't make sure those three or four people do not talk?
	Of course you can.
	It's done every day.
	It's called the mafia.
	If you want to take it to the ultimate, you say you open your mouth, you die.
	It's really that simple.
	And who with their right mind with those odds would stand up and say, this whole thing, it's all a charade.
	It's a Potempkin village.
	There's a real agenda going on, and we can't tell you about it because you can't handle the truth.
	At least that's what politically, the upper 1%, the controllers, have decided you don't need to know because you can't handle it if you know.
	And what have you seen, Richard, in this mission?
	The data that's come back so far that's made you as excited as you are?
	Again, just go to the ESSA website for the Rosetta mission and start paging through the images.
	They start around in August when they went into orbit, which was a couple hundred miles away.
	Then by the end of November, they got down to 10 or 11 miles when they released the little lander, Phili.
	Again, Phili is a very famous ISIS temple on the Nile in Upper Egypt.
	So every aspect of this mission is so blatantly out there in terms of the ritual Osirian Egyptian cosmology and ritualism that we've been tracking with NASA and ESSA and the other space programs for decades.
	It's like it's so in your face, they're not even hiding it anymore because they figure that no one cares.
	Well, they're wrong.
	There's a lot of people who care.
	They just don't visibly make it known that they care until there's a catalyzing event.
	And one of those or several of those appears to be in the cards for the not-too-distant future.
	So suddenly a huge constituency for an open solar system will manifest itself and all it's going to take is one viral image or one viral video or one viral set of structures on these places, and there's more than one out there, to make it with social media suddenly go gangbusters.
	And the game is over.
	Because they can't control everybody else.
	They may be able to control the three guys that are handling images for Rosetta, but they can't control what's on the web.
	And somehow, some way, the stunningly important stuff is being published as real official data.
	And it's not being censored.
	And the only reason it hasn't taken off yet is because nobody looking at it, except us, I guess, can say, oh, my God, they're doing what we've said they would have to do eventually over years.
	And it's finally come.
	This is disclosure, the D-word.
	So for you, this is a process of attrition, isn't it?
	It's a drip-by-drip thing.
	Well, yeah, because if you're covering your ass that you've been hiding data for all the history of the space program, how do you change history?
	How do you rewrite history?
	How do you develop a Norwellian twist on history so that you don't wind up being, you know, taken off to Jekyll Island or to Leavenworth?
	You have to put in the files data which when looked at in hindsight is so obviously scientifically supportive of an intelligent design hypothesis that any historian or any scientist in the mainstream who now thinks it's all nonsense,
	after something happens and it suddenly is no longer nonsense, they'll be able to go and look in NASA's files and in ESSA's files and the Indian's files and the Japanese space program's files and the Russians, and they will find unadulterated real data to support the political claim NASA and the other agencies will put forth, which is, well, we've been doing this all along.
	If you're too damn dumb not to notice, that's not our fault.
	I know some of the people at ESA, Richard.
	I've spoken to them.
	They seem to me to be nice, question, scientific kinds of people, as you would expect them to be.
	How are you progressing this?
	Are you asking them questions?
	Have you had any connections or contact with them?
	Oh, yes.
	But it's at five levels deep of people who would never dare to admit they're talking to Hoagland in public.
	This is why the troll, this is why the disinformation agents are so determined because they see we're winning.
	And it's not going to be much longer that they can, like poor Hans Brinker, stick all their fingers in the dike of overwhelming data that's about to come sluicing out when the dam breaks.
	I mean, these images, 67P, are stunning, but coming up fast on the inside track is NASA with the Dawn spacecraft orbiting the largest asteroid slash dwarf planet known as Ceres.
	And lo and behold, Dawn has photographed and teased us over months since March with objects on the surface that are incredibly geometric and non-natural looking.
	And what's more, if anyone has been following our work over the last several decades, they know that there is a parallel physics to the information we've been putting forth on extraterrestrial archaeology.
	That physics is called hyperdimensional torsion field physics.
	It's the real physics that underlies the physics that we're taught in textbooks and in colleges and universities and graduate programs, etc.
	And there is a separation between those folks that know the full picture and those folks in science that know partially the picture.
	And you can see a stunning example of that in the current press excitement about an invention called an M-drive, which was invented 16, 18 years ago by a Brit named Roger Shire and has now been duplicated in independent labs in China and in the United States as part of NASA, so-called Eagle Labs as part of NASA.
	So you have three major contenders, each doing what the science said you should do, which is when an extraordinary claim comes up that you can produce a thrust in an engine which is totally sealed, where you just put electricity into radio waves inside this cone-shaped cavity and bingo, the thing moves in one direction, regardless of what the laws of science up to now have said it should do.
	That's now been replicated three separate independent times by three separate radically different cultures and the results are all positive.
	And there's a flotilla of amateur do-it-yourselfers out there who are building devices.
	There was one reporter from Romania the other day where literally using electronic scales you can pick up at a radio shack and copper you can buy off Amazon and magnetrons from an old microwave.
	Do not do this at home because it can be dangerous.
	Microwaves are really dangerous at the level of taking out a magnetron from a microwave oven.
	Do not do that unless you know radio waves and electronics and know what you're doing.
	You will kill yourself.
	We know about that.
	These individual do-it-yourselfers who do know what they're doing are replicating the official results so that we've now got not three replications, we've got four or five and counting as of the time we're doing this conversation.
	And all of this excitingly ties back to people like Tesla, whose work, of course, was disappeared, a lot of it, and is now being sort of rediscovered.
	Well, yeah, I mean, historically, that's absolutely true.
	Remember, Tesla's work fell on barren ground.
	One of the precepts of this hyperdimensional model when it comes to culture and history and media and convincing people and changing consciousness, all of which is within the realm of this physics, is that you can't do right stuff at the wrong time.
	You have to go with the flow.
	Literally, you've got to go with the flow.
	It's like surfing.
	And the surf is now up.
	The physics is now tuning itself to where changing consciousness or revealing people's real feelings and connections with a whole bunch of these issues is finally coming into its own.
	So you're getting the kind of open inquiry into areas where formerly the doors were slammed shut and people would not give you the time of day.
	And just to put the kibosh, as we say here in the UK, on people who will say, that's Hoagland talking hui again.
	Fact of the matter is, if you look at what the newspapers report, and they're a good guide to day-to-day life, certainly here in the UK, we have had more stories in the last two or three years, more stories in the last two or three years, Richard, about stuff like this in the mainstream media starting to bleed out than I can ever remember in my lifetime.
	And they are being taken seriously.
	So I would contend something is afoot.
	Well, just go on Yahoo or go on AOL and do your own survey.
	Just start noting how many space stories or space-related stories there are in mainstream media.
	I mean, Elon Musk, our space entrepreneur, head of SpaceX, has become a rock star because they're reporting everything he's doing and his visions for life on Mars, human life, transported living as colonists on Mars, or a Hyperloop transportation system that can cut down the travel time from L.A. to San Francisco to half an hour.
	It takes now about five hours to do it.
	I've done it many, many, too many times.
	And so on.
	Here is a guy who's in the mold of the 1950s, eccentric, multi-billionaire scientists who literally in their own labs changed the world.
	Except this guy and the guy who created Google and a few others are doing it for real right in front of us.
	So no longer do we have to live with the incredible slowness of a government process to get us into space and get us to find firsthand that everything that we've been finding, A la the extraordinary ancient solar system history that's really out there is going to be found, if not by government and announced by government, it's going to be found by one of Musk's spacecraft and crew someday, right?
	Okay, here we are, which means the official cover-up has a half-life, and the folks that know it has a half-life are now taking steps, regardless of policy from the top down, to put the real stuff in the archives.
	And this applies to Curiosity on Mars.
	There's stunning artificial ruins and artifacts all over these images now coming down.
	All over.
	And in a very short while, in the next month or so, I'm going to be putting on the Enterprise website, which we're in the process of redesigning and redoing top to bottom, and we'll unveil it within about a month or so.
	A stunning new series of linked papers which show these artifacts on all these original archives from space programs, from multinational agencies, from all over the solar system showing the same thing.
	We live in a formerly inhabited solar system which has gone to rack and ruin, and the owners mysteriously vanished millions upon millions of years ago, and we have a stunning treasure trove of archived material to digest and put to use to totally transform the human condition.
	And there's a handful of people relatively standing between us and that future.
	And one of my missions is to make sure they don't stand there much longer.
	Do you see, and this I think is a very important question that's just sort of occurred to me, Richard, do you see congruences, similarities between the sorts of artifacts that you say have seen on Comet 67P and on Mars and various other places?
	Do you see the same kinds of things?
	Things that look the same?
	As a matter of fact, yes.
	One of the crucial data points about the Dawn mission is that the chief anomaly on the Dawn spacecraft as it approached Ceres in March, as it went into orbit on March 6th, was that there appears to be a 57-mile-wide crater in the northern hemisphere on this object which is less than 600 miles across.
	It may be the largest asteroid.
	It may have been found at midnight, literally in 1801, as Big Ben was chiming there by the Thames.
	You know, Giuseppe Piazzi was looking out and saw and marked down this little twink of light moving in a place where it had no business being, and Ergo, the first non-classical planet, was found, because for a while, Pluto, a Pluto, Ceres was classified as a planet.
	Then it was diminished to an asteroid, obvi the biggest one.
	Then it was diminished again in 2006 to a dwarf planet companion with Pluto in that little coup that took place.
	And so that's its status politically tonight.
	It is a dwarf planet, the biggest one in the inner solar system.
	And at 19.5 degrees north in this crater are these two incredibly bright lights.
	The left one looks like a square.
	Although as we've been getting closer, it's gotten more geometric, so it actually could be a cube.
	A three-dimensional cube standing in that crater six miles wide.
	And next to it are two other sets of lights laid out like a cylinder, inclined at an angle to due east to the first set of lights on the left, and that angle is 19.5 degrees.
	So if mathematics is the way an intelligent species would communicate across space or across time, which is universally agreed as the way ET will probably let us know he or she or it is out there,
	then we have now found the Dawn mission, like the 67P ESSA mission, has found stunning evidence of an ancient artificial creation, and all we're now waiting for is for NASA to finally mess up.
	What's really curious is that we have not had any new, really high-resolution images of the Ceres lights for weeks, for almost a month.
	And we're now into June.
	Do you think somebody suppressed that?
	Well, they've been releasing images in batches.
	In other words, they will thrust with the ion engine to lower the orbit and get closer and closer and closer.
	They went from 8,400 miles down to 4,500 miles.
	They're going to get down to 2,700 miles in another week or two.
	Then they'll hang out there for a while, take lots and lots of pictures and other measurements.
	Then they'll turn the engine on and lower themselves down the next few thousand miles to an orbit which is, you know, 1,000 miles above, 500 miles.
	The lowest orbit, which will be toward the end of the year, is going to be 235 miles above the surface of a 600-mile-wide object.
	The images from that altitude will be thousands of times better than the ones that they've released up till now.
	What's bizarre is they're releasing new images, but as we get closer, they're not releasing close-up images of the geometric lights at 19.5.
	And I think it's because they don't know how.
	Either the mainstream has been so caught off axis by this, blindsided, totally stunned because they never believed something like this would happen, or their control program for releasing this information is being delayed until they can synchronize their political efforts with the 67P crowd over in ESSA,
	who are finding equally stunning artificial evidence, both in terms of actual objects or in terms of geometric modeling of the objects in their data.
	So there may be an effort to synchronize these announcements, and I'm now betting that it may actually also include the Pluto flyby of the NASA New Horizons mission, which remember is going to visit the other so-called dwarf planet, Pluto, on the night of July 14th, 2015.
	Exactly 50 years to the day after NASA's first flyby of the planet Mars.
	And who was Pluto predicted by?
	A gentleman in Arizona at an observatory called the Lowell Observatory named Percival Lowell.
	The same Percival Lowell who spotted and wrote about canals on Mars and posited an ancient civilization who also predicted the position of Pluto decades, almost 30 years before Pluto actually was found in 1930 by a guy named Clyde Tombaugh.
	So do you believe that all this information is going to be coordinated and will eventually be released?
	Yes, the trend curve of the evidence in the archives.
	Remember, there's stunning real evidence that if you have any architect or any engineer or anyone who's used to looking at stuff, at structures, as opposed to rocks, and they remove the a priori, absolutely 100% adamant claim that there can be no such thing as mechanical things on these images, once you remove that from their minds and give them permission to see what's really there, and it really comes down to permission.
	It really comes down to we don't see what we don't want to see.
	If they allow themselves to look at what's really there, there are so many stunning artificial things on these places and in the Curiosity database now that it's not funny.
	The white crows are streaming across the sky, blotting out the sun.
	There are so many.
	So the question for you, Richard, is having known you for so many years and you having done this work for so many decades, is now that we're in this position or we're getting very close to it, what do you do?
	Is it time for you to go to Washington, hold some kind of public session and say, look, we've got this information and data coming in from around the world.
	Here I am holding a public event.
	My name is Richard Hoagland.
	I've been doing this for a long time.
	A lot of people know me.
	It is time for all of these agencies to coordinate and come clean.
	Is it time for you to do that?
	Well, it would not be the first time we've done that.
	Remember, over the years, we've done a series of press conferences with this kind of data at the National Press Club.
	I was going to say, quite recently.
	Within the last decade, yeah.
	Yeah, which has been covered by CNN and NBC and the Russians and the Europeans and BBC.
	Everybody has come and covered our events.
	That is going to be one of the things we will do in the future.
	What I'm projecting is the political climate when we do that is not going to be one of total disbelief because the data will by then have gone viral and we will supply an essential perspective on how to interpret that data into a meaningful whole.
	In other words, once you validate that we're not alone, there are ancient ruins out there, then you've got to address all the really cool questions like, who were they?
	How long did they live?
	How are we related to them?
	When do they disappear?
	Are there any still out there?
	Could they come back?
	Could they be responsible for a lot of the UFO reports?
	In other words, are UFOs being manned by family that don't know how to sit down and in public tell us who we really are and how we really are related to them because they also think we can't handle the truth.
	And for a whole variety of reasons politically, we're in a very unstable time in this world.
	Not only is Europe riven with difficulties and controversies and all sorts of other stuff, there are now people in the know saying that we may be soon enough going to war with China and or Putin.
	This is a very unstable world in which this is all going to be emerging.
	You know, that's exactly the kind of time in history when you want something like this, which is a big outside unifying force that makes, as Reagan said to Gorbachev, us all realize we are one fan damn.
	And to paraphrase Ben Franklin, we will either hang together or hang separately.
	In other words, if we were suddenly confronted, he used the term alien threat, I would use the term extraterrestrial knowledge of the reality of all stuff out there and our relationship to it, and maybe even people as emissaries from a future we can have if we put ourselves back together and build it from the inside out.
	In other words, there may be a prime directive in operation about us poor cousins down here, that the surviving members of our family, our interplanetary family, are literally prohibited from doing something dumb and stupid and giving high technology to people that should never, ever, ever have invented H-bombs, let alone access to the kind of stunning technological advances that these folks may be privy to.
	Well, they better get a move on then if this higher civilization has got our best interests at heart.
	All I can say is they need to be getting a move on because it's only a matter of time before some terrorist group uses a nuclear weapon.
	That's got to be coming down the track.
	You know, unless there is a technology, Howard, to suppress nuclear technology.
	Which from our work there is.
	Really?
	And remember, two parts of our equation, two parts of our research.
	We've been doing extraterrestrial archaeology.
	We've been doing a parallel effort in understanding the physics that we first decoded from that archaeology and applying it to actual empirical experiments and measurements conducted here on Earth.
	And we have discovered a whole suppressed literature of science called torsion field physics, which has been masterminded in the Soviet Union back during the Cold War behind the Iron Curtain, so very little, if anything, leaked out.
	When Russia collapsed, became Russia and the Soviet Union dissolved.
	The wall came down and a whole bunch of independent Eastern European archives, like those of East Germany and those of Poland and Czechoslovakia, became public and have been put in books and or on the internet.
	It's becoming very clear that the Russians and the Soviets and their bloc agency as part of the old Soviet Union were conducting for decades experiments in this physics, which had been given to us via the archaeological work looking at NASA images.
	And we're looking at one of the same.
	And this is a physics we have now been able to measure around the world at ancient archaeological sites and other places where there are active torsion field generators that can produce the same effects that we have measured at ancient sites like at Stonehenge.
	We got stunning readings at Stonehenge.
	I've got to come back to England as part of this future plan we're putting together and redo the measurements, you know, at different times of day and maybe over a period of a week or so at Stonehenge because the readings were so extraordinarily interesting.
	I mean, it's almost like under Stonehenge there was some ancient high-tech torsion device buried way deep down in the limestone.
	And it's still running.
	Really?
	It's still generating a field, which my Actron detection system picked up in certain quadrants around Stonehenge, but not in other quadrants, which means it has some kind of a shaped antenna pattern, some kind of a radiation pattern that isn't spherical and goes in all directions.
	That is not natural.
	That's got to be ancient high.
	So why was Stonehenge built where it is?
	Because it's a hyperdimensional torsion field PowerPoint.
	That can be demonstrated in the work of several people that if you haven't had on your show, you should have had on your show, or you will have on your show when I share some data off the air.
	Well, I'm very happy to go there, and I think you need to be coming back to Stonehenge.
	Of course, Stonehenge is very hard now for ordinary Joes like me to go and see and assess properly because they've had to cordon it off.
	So many tourists over the years have been walking over the site.
	Or is it because they're trying to suppress this kind of validation?
	Well, I wonder.
	And if that's the case, we have workarounds.
	Remember, the other side, the folks that want to see truth are everywhere.
	You say that.
	This year of 2015, let's use it as an example.
	How many people who are in the know and want to see truth have been in touch with you?
	Roughly.
	Thank you.
	A dozen or so.
	That's a pretty good number.
	Two per month.
	And sometimes, well, but these are not passing in the night.
	These are contacts that stay and are constantly feeding information or receiving it.
	Because sometimes, like for instance, the whole 19.5 business with the Lights on Series, we have communicated back to these various people because a lot of the reason we're not making super light progress is because people have been told from the top down, this is all nonsense.
	So they don't look.
	And if you don't look, you're not going to see anything.
	That's why the biggest breakthrough is when somehow, somewhere, the glimmer of it's okay folks to look and see the unthinkable is going to create with social media in place a veritable firestorm of reaction that's going to sweep the planet in seconds and then we will be in a whole new political universe where these things cannot be ignored any longer and what do you do then richard do you do you go public
	and say, I told you so?
	No, I'm going to say this is what it means.
	Because we've been doing a lot of work in what does it mean?
	Remember, we passed light years ago, mixing our metaphors, the idea, is it real or is it Memorax?
	It's real.
	It's everywhere.
	It means the solar system is not what we've always been taught it was, certainly since, you know, grammar school, even if you get rid of Pluto, which, by the way, I think was a real political decision.
	Because what that says, if you're looking at this as reading some kind of arcane code to the in crowd, it is saying that the series events, the series phenomenon, the series anomalies are going to be connected to the stunning anomalies we're going to see in the Pluto system when we get there.
	In a few weeks, we already have hints of this.
	Pluto is not just Pluto.
	Pluto is Pluto and Sharon.
	the big moon.
	It's about half the size of Pluto.
	Remember, Pluto is about half the size of the moon, twice the size of Ceres.
	And it's got a moon orbiting around it about the size of Ceres.
	But it's also got four other little guys all whirling around in the same plane, but not in random orbits, in incredibly resonant, synchronous orbits that look like some kind of hyperdimensional machine operating on celestial mechanics doing vibrations,
	in the torsion field because of their multiple alignments as they go around and around and around aim toward the center of the solar system because Pluto of course is tilted to its axis or to its plane of orbit by 17 degrees to the Sun and by 120 degrees to its own orbit which is tetrahedral it's kind of another variation of the 19.5 so did someone literally sculpt the Pluto system to be a representation of hyperdimensional physics on a
	planetary scale for when human beings evolved enough to build technology to reach out after the dawning of a space age and finally fling a little piece of technology all the way out to Pluto and measure all this in person on site in situ as the mission flies by the night of July 14th coming up in a few weeks.
	Our statement is yes.
	And we're going to do something really grand and interesting on radio with Coast to Coast And you'll be involved from over there on that night to celebrate on the anniversary, literally, of the first program I did with Dick Burtell and WTIC in Hartford,
	Connecticut, called The Night of the Encounter, where we celebrated in a live five-hour special the first encounter of Mars by Mariner 4, a NASA spacecraft we now know, flung into the dark on exactly the same night, spaced 50 years apart, to send back new news.
	The one thing I've learned by talking to you is that symbolism and anniversaries and signs and symbols are so terribly important, even in this, especially in this technological age of exploration.
	It's how they talk to each other, and it's like breaking the Japanese code or the Enigma code.
	We cracked this insider symbolic code years ago, and we can almost read them like a book, as long as they stay close to the physics and the science.
	When they wander into the deep ritualism and the meaning of certain dates and alignments, that's almost, well, it is a religion and is totally not solvable through scientific means.
	But as long as it hangs close to the science, we can figure out what it is they're really doing, why they're doing it, when they're doing it, and what they hope to achieve.
	And the only way to find out the latest on this is to check out the Enterprise website, I would say.
	Enterprisemission.com.
	Richard, thank you very much indeed for that.
	And please take care of yourself.
	I know this is going to be an important year for you.
	I'm sorry for running past you some of those oblique criticisms, but I think it was something that we had to do.
	But I'm totally in agreement with you what we've got to get thinking about and looking at it.
	Look, I want to find people to debate.
	Like, I've tried to debate Phil Plate, who runs a big, you know, bad astronomy website, and he's the science guy over at Discover, I guess.
	I've tried for years to get him to debate me as a serious astronomer, to debate me on the merits of the data.
	He runs that warp 9.
	No real people, Howard, are willing to stand toe-to-toe and debate me on the specifics because they know I will win.
	So what they do is they send trolls and second and third-tier agents in an effort to distract with noise and innuendo and stupidity.
	The data speaks for itself.
	Go to the imaging archives for ESSA, for NASA, for the Japanese, for the Chinese.
	For God's sake, the Chinese, a year or so ago, photographed with CCD electronic cameras exactly the same ancient glass architecture that the Apollo astronauts photographed on film.
	Two separate political systems, two separate technologies, two separate means of getting there, robots versus human beings, two separate timeframes half a century apart, and the data is the same and it's posted at the top of the Enterprise Mission website.
	Have you heard anything about it in the mainstream?
	Of course not, because it isn't time.
	That time, however, is rapidly approaching when this will be revealed.
	Remember, the nature of the apocalypse is not catastrophe, it's revelation.
	It's the truth shall be revealed.
	And I'm picking July, mid-July, as the beginning of the visible initiation of that process if the ritual is to be served.
	And we will all find out.
	July 14, be there, or I won't say be square, but be out of the loop.
	Richard, thank you very much indeed.
	Thanks, Howard.
	And like the man said, his website, enterprisemission.com.
	I'll put a link to his work and his website on my website, theunexplained.tv.
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