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March 25, 2014 - The Unexplained - Howard Hughes
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Edition 150 - Dr Paul La Violette

This time Athens-based scientist Paul La Violette - who says we are ignoring a threat fromspace...

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Across the UK, across continental North America and around the world, on the internet, by webcast and by podcast, my name is Howard Hughes and this is The Unexplained.
Well, greetings from London, England, where we've been hit by spring.
And the strange thing about spring, in this weird year of 2014, is that we have frost early in the morning now, which we didn't have for most of the stormy winter, which was quite warm.
Now it seems to be colder, but at least we have sunshine and the year is marching forward and the better weather is coming soon.
There is a lot to worry about in this world.
What is Putin doing with his muscling in on Crimea and Ukraine, which you might consider right, you might consider wrong, but it is very concerning and a little destabilizing, perhaps, that situation developing.
Also, the ongoing search for that flight MH370 by the time you hear this, they may have found more wreckage.
But at the moment, they seem to be pursuing some things that may or may not be wreckage in the ocean somewhere.
And the coordination between the various parties involved in this doesn't seem to be very good.
The Chinese don't seem to be as connected to the search effort as they might be.
The Malaysians, well, I don't know, they seem to be doing their best.
The Australians are involved.
Everybody seems to have a finger in this pie, and nobody seems to be getting too far.
But like I say, by the time you hear this, things may have changed.
Thank you very much to Adam Cornwell at Creative Hotspot in Liverpool for designing the website, getting the show out to you and working like a Trojan on this show.
I'm going to do some shout-outs now.
Thank you.
If you've sent an email recently, I get to see all of your emails that you send through www.theunexplained.tv.
Some very good guest suggestions.
They're all in the book and I'm working on them all.
So let's say hello to let's have a look.
Caleb.
Thank you for your email, Caleb.
Bent K. Michaelson, could be Michelson.
Thank you.
Bent, Michael Grad in Liverpool, New York.
Nice to hear from you.
Phil Ripley, thanks for the email.
Robert, thank you.
Stewart in Arkansas, suggesting John Hutchinson.
That's a good idea.
I did him on the radio show with his Hutchinson effect, scientist.
So we'll try and get him back on, or I'll try and find the archive of the show that I did on the radio with him.
Steve Boudreaux in Ontario, good to hear from you.
Mike in Michigan, who's listening, and said that he was listening to a recent show with Simran Singh, who was talking about cosmic connections and signs from the universe.
And he's driving along, and his odometer, the myelometer in his vehicle reads 11, 11, 11, 11.
Coincidence or what?
Ashley in Carmel, California, good to hear from you.
Jack in Stratford-upon-Aven is 19.
A new listener, good to hear from you, Jack.
Derek in Canada, thanks for getting in touch.
Richard Hawkins in Belfast, thank you for your support.
You know what I mean?
You defended me.
I dick recently, and that was good of you, Richard.
Robert in Australia, suggesting Jacques Valley.
I'm on that, Robert.
Dennis Schimff in Berlin.
Thank you for your email.
And Leanne in Michigan.
Many thanks for your email.
Right, the guest this time is a man talking about a cosmic threat.
We have talked about these before.
This one, though, is deeply scientifically embedded.
If you see what I mean, there's a lot of science to back it up, it seems to me.
You're going to have to concentrate, as will I, very hard on what this man has to say.
But it is, I think, a credible threat.
But you tell me what you think.
His name is Dr. Paul Leviolette.
His biography says he's an interdisciplinary scientist, author of four books, numerous articles, got a BA in physics from Johns Hopkins, MBA from University of Chicago, PhD in astronomy, system science, Portland State University.
And now, the important part for us, he's president of the Starburst Foundation, an interdisciplinary scientific research institute.
Now, Paul Leviolette is an American living in Greece.
And the points that he makes, I think if the science stacks up, and again, you have to help me with that, then the Earth is facing a very serious threat.
Potentially a lot more serious than the likes of your comet ISON and the other things that we've talked about here.
But I'm going to let you judge for yourself.
Thank you very much for spreading the word about this show.
Please tell your neighbors, tell your friends, tell anybody, tell the people on the bus about the unexplained, and then we will develop this show, make it more regular, maybe even get it back on the air somewhere one of these days.
All right, let's cross now to Dr. Paul La Violette, and let's talk about space.
Paul, thank you very much for coming on.
Happy to be here.
And Paul, you are an American.
I've actually read a little bit of your biography and your education and background entirely in the United States.
I'm just curious to what takes you to Greece, apart from the fact that it's a very beautiful place to be.
Yeah, the cold weather in the U.S., partly.
Yes.
So you escaped it.
Yeah.
I'm Greek American, so I know people here, and I come back and forth the last, I'd say, eight years.
I originally came here in 2006 to spend more time because I had some of my books translated into Greek, so I was promoting them here, doing some lecturing.
You are through and through a man of science.
Your biography absolutely shouts that at me.
I wondered what it is within you that made you want to get into something that is not, let's face it, the work that you're doing, I think is fascinating.
And I read more of your material last night before we did this, but it's not mainstream.
Well, maybe I have a little of the Greek spirit of independence in me.
I don't necessarily accept what they feed you in the universities.
You learn to question and critique the standard theories as much as your own.
And I think that is a safe way to arrive at the truth.
Neither hold your own ideas as necessarily the final result, but also question what other people are saying.
I just want to know the truth, to the best we can understand something, not go necessarily with the fashions.
I guess you could say I'm a bit of a nonconformist when it comes to fashions that I don't go for that as much, like believing in black holes or the Big Bang theory.
And you don't sound to me to be, I've watched a number of your videos online and some of the interviews that you've done on video with various people at various stages of the professional cycle.
It seems to me that you are not a man who jumps to conclusions.
You are a man who will unpick the science of a thing before you will make a claim.
Yeah, yeah.
I like to be a little cautious to examine something before I make any statements.
Like, well, earlier I was about this superwave idea, whether, because you see in the past that we've had superwaves looking at the Earth's past record.
But as to when is the next one, I was trying to be a bit conservative to say, well, maybe in the next four centuries, that there's a 90% chance of some type of superwave.
I noticed that at one point you said that the probability of this thing happening fairly soon by our standards is maybe something like, I think you said 7%.
But then you added the rider, the caveat that it may be more than that.
Yeah, but that was after they discovered his G2 cloud.
So now we could focus on some real situation that we see happening right now.
Which is what makes our conversation especially relevant.
Now, the one thing that I have to do for my listeners, I have a lot of generalists listening.
Now, I know a little bit about science.
I am by no means a scientist, but I'm questing and curious like a lot of my audience.
So you must forgive me if at times in the conversation we're about to have, I stop you, because I've noticed on some of the interviews, you've poured forth a great deal of detailed and highly interesting scientific data.
But I think some people may get a little bit lost, and that's a pity because what you're saying, it seems to me, is very, very important for all of us to hear.
So I want to unpick it stage by stage.
Go ahead, anytime.
Okay, well, let's get this as a starting point, and at any time you stop me and tell me if I'm making wrong interpretations as well.
So that's how we'll do it.
Obviously, we live in this great cosmic shooting gallery, the size of which we cannot truly perceive because we haven't been able to explore it enough, although we know certainly now a great deal more about it than we did.
Out there is a galactic center, the center of everything, the middle of it, the place at which it's all focused, what we revolve around.
Coming from this periodically over history has been this superwave that you talk about, which is like a tsunami effect of radiation and material and that sort of stuff.
Is that right?
Yeah, it includes cosmic rays, X-rays, gamma rays, radio waves, even light waves.
But some of this stuff deeply harmful to us.
I mean, we are protected to a degree here on Earth from a lot of the effects of cosmic radiation.
We're very lucky, or we have been over the years, the years that mankind has existed.
But through our history, you've analyzed that and you've seen that our planet has been affected by these things and quite materially, quite markedly.
Yeah.
The cosmic ray levels go up.
You can look, for example, at the Earth's ice records taken from the poles, like from Greenland or Antarctica.
And there's times when cosmic ray background hitting the Earth went up quite considerably.
They look at certain elements like beryllium-10, which is produced by cosmic rays in the atmosphere, carbon-14, like even in tree rings.
And recently they found some times where there were spikes in carbon-14 that they couldn't attribute to supernova or any of the normal causes.
And we're starting to propose some exotic mechanisms.
But it turns out that the dates they found were dates where I had predicted were past times when superwaves passed, very small events.
And so, yeah.
So these things follow a cosmic timetable.
They're not random events.
They do follow some kind, certainly from our own historic record, they follow some kind of pattern.
Well, there is a randomness to it, but you can see if you analyze the past data over the last 100,000 years, there's this cyclicity there where you see the major events happen about every 26,000 years, every 12,000.
There's a 12,000-year period in there.
So, which it sort of similar to the Earth's precessional cycle, too.
You know, the Earth's axis precesses about every 26,000 years.
And I've suggested that there's an effect of these superwaves on the Earth's axis, that there is a gravitational wave associated with a superwave that could actually create a tidal pull on the Earth when it's passing.
And this could sort of end up synchronizing the Earth's precession with the timing of these events.
But you also have a randomness in there.
And, you know, there's been something like 13 events in the last 5,300 years that are small events that maybe lasted only a year or a few years.
And when you talk, Paul, of events, what do you take that to mean?
For a superwave.
And that is a great attack of radiation primarily.
Yeah, and I've categorized them as in terms of a magnitude scale.
So like you have magnitude one, two, three, and four.
So magnitude one superwave would be one that you wouldn't see very easily evidence of it in the ice record of the Earth.
But if you examine closely tree ring records, you could see it.
You could see in certain places, if you studied the right things in detail in the ice record, you could probably detect them.
But they wouldn't be big enough to create any kind of climatic effects.
But if one was to happen today, it could knock out all electrical grid system across the world, which would be catastrophic, similar to what they talk about for a major solar flare.
But of course, science is not looking for that, is it?
Science at the moment, if science is concerned about a threat like that, is looking more towards the sun and the sun sending out what one person who's been a guest on this show calls the kill shot, a great flare of radiation that comes towards us and takes down a lot of our technology.
Right.
And that is another possibility.
You know, we had something like that about 150 years ago called the Carrington event.
And they say if a Carrington event happened today, it would likely fry transformers on the high tension lines.
And the thing is, we don't have enough replacement transformers.
So it could take as much as five or 10 years to get everything back online.
And I think there's even a TV show, a serial, we're exploring the future where suddenly all electric power is knocked out and everyone goes back into sort of a Mad Max world.
Well, there are a number of threats that are perceived or real out there.
I mean, people got very, very upset last year and now they've all gone away, it seems, about Comet ISON.
There were people telling us that Comet ISON was the harbinger of doom and gloom on a tremendous scale, but of course that one went away.
Right.
So I wondered if you had any thoughts about that.
It's very hard for the common man, I think is what I'm saying, Paul, to evaluate these threats.
We carry on with our daily lives, and yes, we should be more mindful of these things.
I mean, we have at least one MP here in the UK trying to say we need to be more prepared for some kind of impact by something that comes towards us, a large chunk of rock out of the cosmos that might do a lot of harm because we've been dodging bullets for years here.
But the ordinary man finds it very, very hard to grasp this, which is why I'm trying to unpick everything that you're saying at every stage.
Superwave, wonderful word, and we've got a handle now on what it is.
Is the idea then that the galaxy of which we are part is constantly changing, constantly forming, gases and material and hot material are spewing forth and belching out there all the time, and periodically something has to give.
And what the thing is that has to give presents us with this great wave of stuff.
Is that a very Paul Lehman's interpretation, but is that what's happening?
Well, it's the mother star, I call it, at the core of our galaxy.
It's a star that's about 4 million times the mass of the sun.
And that's what produces these superwaves.
It's producing a huge amount of energy and even matter.
It produces matter at a greater rate than any of all of the stars in our galaxy.
Here I'm going into a different cosmology.
I sort of live in a different world scientifically than the standard astronomer and physicist.
I parted ways about 20 years ago.
Because the astronomers that I've known, people in the UK like Heather Cooper and Patrick Moore and people who scan the skies like Seth Szostak from SETI, those sorts of people don't talk about the mother star.
Exactly.
That's a word I coined because black holes basically, they can't form.
I've been against black holes since well before I did my PhD dissertation on superwaves.
There's evidence you can point to that shows that it's not possible that they could form, and you can't explain the energy coming out of the cores of galaxies in terms of a black hole gobbling matter.
This phenomenon of core explosions that we're talking about here for our own galaxy, it happens in other galaxies too, all spiral galaxies like ours, even giant elliptical galaxies.
They have cores that periodically explode.
And the problem is that they're putting out so much energy that there's no way that any matter could fall into the core.
The only time that matter can fall into the core is when the core is not putting out any energy, which is during its quiescent period, because these cores can go into an active state and then, let's say, expel a lot of matter.
And once they expel enough of matter, they kind of go into a quiescent phase.
But they don't pull material back in.
Well, then in the quiescent phase, there's the possibility that something can fall in again.
Like there's stars orbiting around the mother star.
In the case of our galaxy, out about one light year from the Sagittarius A star, which is the name they give to the galactic center, there's all these blue giants and supergiant stars orbiting around.
And it's possible that one of these might collide with another and get suddenly thrown in towards the core, like what's happening now with this G2 cloud.
But it's a hell of a long way away.
Why would that make any difference?
Well, if there was a collision event of that sort, we'll talk about the cloud, the G2 cloud, in a moment.
But if there was an event of a couple of heavenly bodies colliding with each other in close proximity to the galactic center, the mother star, why would that make any difference to us here?
Well, because in that case, there's a possibility this star that's hurtling in towards the core could get swallowed, because we're talking about a huge gravitational pull, four million times what the sun would be putting out.
The gravity force is so great that it can actually rip the star apart when it gets too close.
And the star could be hurtling in at like 90% of the speed of light.
And is the effect of that like throwing an aerosol can into a fire?
You get a big explosion.
Yeah, you get a huge explosion, bigger than the biggest supernova we've ever observed.
There are very rare events, they call them hypernova, like about 10 or 100 times more powerful than the most powerful supernova.
And like a one solar mass star falling into the core could produce an outburst of that magnitude.
And then there's a question that that could ignite the core.
It's sort of like, oh, you know, it's like a pulse of energy that can now boost the core into its active state.
Think of the core as like a nuclear reactor sitting there that's in its subcritical state.
But then you get an outburst and that could be enough to set it off.
And it goes into a phase where now it's putting out a million times more energy than it was before.
And this could go on, if you're lucky, for just maybe a year, but then it could go on for a thousand years.
Now, presumably, because of the distance effect, the ripples from an event like that would spread out over time.
You said potentially over a year.
But by the time they get to us here on Earth, they'd be much dissipated, wouldn't they?
Yeah, it would, of course, be we're 23,000 light years away.
So by the time the cosmic rays reach us, it's much less intense.
However, it's still strong enough to have a considerable effect on us, not only raising the radiation levels, but cause climatic effects on the solar system, on the sun and Earth.
It's able to push cosmic dust into the solar system that's surrounding the solar system currently, because the sun's solar wind sort of sweeps everything clean out of the solar system.
But when you get this galactic wind of cosmic rays coming towards us, they end up pushing this stuff in, and they'll also vaporize comets that are out there, producing a nebula around the solar system.
It would sort of block out stars.
But most people here who've watched the TV, including myself, the limit of my knowledge of a lot of these things is the coverage of the Apollo moon missions and various other scientific shows that I've seen.
We tend to have this belief.
Maybe it's a childlike belief that any threat of that kind, cosmic dust whatever, is going to be vaporized by the protecting band of our atmosphere.
In this case, is that not so?
Yeah, it's not that we don't have a threat like you would have of a comet hitting the Earth in the case of cosmic dust, but it would shroud the sun, for example, changing its output of radiation.
It would become more reddish, even towards the infrared.
And something like that would drastically affect the Earth's climate because...
Right.
You'd also get cosmic dust surrounding the Earth.
There's what's called the circumterrestrial dust sheath that you don't read too much about, but it's there.
There's been some papers about it.
Currently, it's thin enough that we don't really see it.
We can look through it with our telescopes, and it doesn't really bother our observations.
But if suddenly the solar system got packed full of dust, this sheath would get quite loaded.
This would have a climatic effect.
The stratosphere would get loaded with cosmic dust.
Do you believe that we're already experiencing low-level effects of this?
You said some of these events that happen out there are very minor and very hard for us to measure here.
But if they were even quite minor on whatever scale you use, perhaps they would begin to tip our climatic balance.
So perhaps we've been looking in the wrong direction, do you think, for the climate change that we've been experiencing?
I mean, here in London, we've had a bizarre winter.
It's been stormy.
It's been warm for a lot of it, 11 Celsius, 12 Celsius for many, many of the days in January, February, completely unheard of in my lifetime here.
Now we've got springtime.
It's a little warmer than it should be.
But the weather has not been what we would expect.
And something caused that.
But I still don't think science has a proper handle on what.
Yeah, well, these are sort of low-level effects, what we're experiencing now compared to what would happen during a superwave.
The ones that hit us during the Ice Age, those were making huge climatic effects.
They were lasting like a thousand years, you can imagine.
So here you had cosmic dust coming into the solar system for hundreds or even thousands of years, enough to aggravate the sun into a very energetic state, using killer solar flares.
I've published a paper showing that the mass extinction at the end of the ice age was due to one of these mega solar proton events that produce radiation, lethal radiation levels on the Earth's surface.
So the event you're talking about is big enough to aggravate, not only to change the appearance of the sun and to shroud some of its effects, but enough to aggravate the sun.
Right.
The worst effects of a superwave are through its effects on the sun and then the sun's effect on the earth.
So Paul, what you're saying is that although a lot of people are looking towards the sun now, and I had the impression that the sun was very much part of our focus, we're not looking in the right places and we're not looking closely enough, yeah?
As far as what's happening now, you mean?
Yes.
Well, there's the talk that the sun is now going into a cooling phase.
Before it was overactive in terms of solar flares, and now we're going to be entering the next few cycles, a period of declining activity, and maybe even go into a little ice age.
So this is against the whole idea of global warming as being produced by mankind.
Maybe much of it has to do with the sun and the Earth's response.
So all of these effects that are happening now, though, are kind of minor compared to what was happening during the ice age.
It's just we have not experienced that kind of thing for 12,000 years.
And the only ideas you can get are by going into the myths.
The myths are so fantastic that a lot of people don't want to believe it.
But this is essentially their way of describing what was happening at the time.
Because a lot of ordinary people listening to this will say, well, what the heck can I do about it?
Best thing I can do is just carry on and raise my kids, enjoy my life, because if this is going to happen, it's going to happen.
And there's nothing, no matter how many billion dollars you throw at it, there's nothing much we can do.
Yeah.
Well, there's some things you can do to prepare for the smaller events, like become energy independent, have your own source of electric power, maybe have solar cells.
You know, there's inventors that have been producing devices that are over unity, that can produce power.
And unfortunately, these have not been developed as been acknowledged by the conventional government as much as they should.
A lot of these people are repressed.
So you believe some of this, as a lot of people have said over the years, that there is technology out there that would allow us maybe unlimited power, but certainly more freely available power than we have now from a different source.
But because of vested interests in this world, those things are suppressed.
Right.
There's a record of inventors getting threats, being killed.
It's kind of a battle out there.
The person who is coming up with these new ideas, he's challenging the standard way of the standard power structure is based around the oil economy.
And these are very powerful people.
And there's many, many stories of threats and people disappearing.
And it's too bad.
Talk us through the scenario, then, of the superwave event approaching the Earth, one that maybe we could survive.
Do you think, number one, would we be warned about it?
And if we were warned about it, what would we be told?
No, no one would warn you.
What would happen is the first warning you'd see, maybe there would be earthquakes, seismic activity worldwide, like not just at one place, maybe at several places.
Sort of like what happened with the tsunami in 2004.
Then a few days later, we would be hit with the cosmic ray blast, which the first three days of cosmic radiation would be the greatest.
This is based on what we know about superwaves occurring in other galaxies.
When the core suddenly becomes active, the first three days seem to be the most intense.
So down here on Earth, what do we do?
Do we cover ourselves in tinfoil?
Well, you want to stay indoors.
If you're like in UK, you're at a higher latitude.
So the galactic center is very low in the sky.
It would be about 10 or 15 degrees above the horizon in the south when it's rising, so to speak.
The initial cosmic rays are going to be like bullets come straight towards us.
It would be so powerful.
It would go right through our magnetic field.
And so if you're able to get shelter from the south so you don't have southern exposure, that's probably a good idea.
A lot of the radiation would be produced by what's called secondary cosmic rays.
They're produced in the atmosphere when the primary cosmic rays hit molecules.
They create ionization, a lot of electrons.
And these electrons turn into cosmic rays called delta rays, which are lower intensity.
They have less penetration than the primary rays.
And they can be stopped by a roof of a house, for example.
So you could at least escape that.
All the satellites would be knocked out at the time the blast arrives.
So for one thing, scientists wouldn't be getting any more data.
Communication systems would probably go down.
Now that in this society is a disaster, isn't it?
And if power grids are affected, even more so.
Would we be able to, if anybody remembers how to use this, and I've been banging on about this for a long time, would we be able to use analog radio communication?
I think maybe radio ham systems would still be working.
And you could use probably CB radios.
It would be good to have a CB radio on hand.
Basically, everyone be left to their own.
Of course, I think every country has scenarios developed for something like this.
So you actually think that there is a plan somewhere?
That sounds very credible.
in london over in washington dc in tokyo and beijing and elsewhere there is a plan for this for this kind of thing the government has an idea what it may do in that event they they've been digging fallout shelters in the u.s there's stories about this the superconducting super collider in texas a huge underground facility that was dug and as soon as it was dug suddenly they had no need for a super collider they shut down the funding
but that was it makes you wonder was that real reason they just wanted to dig a fallout shelter and the other question is who would these be for because you can't put here in the uk our population is nudging 60 million your population is more than 300 million in the u.s in greece what have you got maybe i don't know 30 million people 25 million whatever you cannot house everybody underground can you 10 million um here in athens it's probably close to six seven million um we
got the metro we could probably go into the metro passages um but it really is i mean quite literally and quite seriously this situation would be every man and woman for his or herself um i think that uh well at least i know in the u.s they have the patriot act which they would then uh enact saying that your freedom uh rights are suspended and the military would then dictate what you're supposed to do uh they would uh tell you you know let's say stay in your house
or go into this shelter.
And it would all be very authoritarian at that point.
But if you survive the terrible events of the first few days, and you stay indoors, and you avoid the worst of the radiation, isn't the truth of it that ultimately you're going to get cancer anyway, because of that, because of the fact that you've been irradiated?
Let's put it this way.
We've had 13 of these in the last 5,300 years.
The last small, and if we're talking about small events, the last small event occurred 700 years ago.
And we don't even see any record of it in history books that suddenly people got sick.
So we're talking about relatively low doses of radiation.
But it could cause maybe some genetic mutations.
It's very possible.
And if it's a bigger event?
If it's a bigger event, yeah.
Still, even the big events, they'll increase the mutation rate, but not produce lethal levels, based on the calculations I've done.
It's really the effects on the sun that come to lethal levels, where a sun would release a super solar flare that's, let's say, 100 times more, 10 to 100 times more than what the Carrington event was.
Strong enough, in fact, to overpower the Earth's magnetic fields, you get a very strong solar flare it loads up the radiation belts of the earth with these particles circulating they make like a large electrical generator around the earth that produces a field opposed to the earth's magnetic field and basically squelches it So then you have no protection at that point.
So the particles are able to come right to the Earth's surface.
That's the danger of the big solar flares.
So you're not there in Athens screaming at us, you know, let's go into panic mode about this and let's get preparing.
It seems to me that what you're telling us is that we need to be just mindful of this and nobody really is thinking about it.
Right.
It's sort of like a roulette that's being played out in the galaxy, which we'll talk about this in a minute, which I'm giving like a 3% to 7% chance that some event will happen.
I don't know if it's going to be a small event or a big event.
But, you know, it's like one in chance in 14 or so.
That's something to be a little concerned about.
But still, maybe 95, 92% chance that nothing's going to happen.
You know, that this star might not fall into the core and everything will go on fine until the next star happens to come hurtling in towards the core.
But what makes it all the more interesting and all the more relevant right now is the work that you're doing on this G2 cloud that's passing this area now.
Talk to me about that.
Well, this was discovered only in 2011.
They found this cloud with infrared telescopes and also on radio telescopes that they were plotting a trajectory and found it was actually almost making a beeline for the center, for the core of our galaxy, the mother star.
And they predicted now with the most recent data, they predicted that right about now it will be its closest encounter with the mother star.
So you can think of this like if in the analogy of a comet coming in towards the sun, like Isan that you mentioned, where it's coming on a very close orbit of the sun and it wings around the sun and hurtles back out.
And this thing is packed with gas and detritus, but from what I've been reading of your work, there is also the possibility that it may be shielding something else.
A star, right.
Because this is what struck me when I first read about it, was it's this very compact cloud of gas.
You would not expect it to be holding together like that unless there was something inside like a star generating it.
In other words, a star that's outgassing, it's emitting its atmosphere.
It's and forming this cloud continually.
Because in that environment, the galaxy, the galactic core, is producing huge wind of cosmic rays that if we were there, I mean, you'd be dead in a second if you were as close as a G2 cloud.
So you're saying that this star is effectively like if you've got a candy floss machine like they have at fairgrounds here in the UK and you put the stick in the machine, then the candy floss wraps itself around the stick.
Yeah, well, the star is generating the cloud, and you can't see through the cloud because it's so dense.
And so you can infer that the star is there.
So your belief is that there is something within this cloud, and it's the something that may give us a problem.
Exactly.
And other astronomers, they started coming around to this idea.
At the time, I had the idea.
I think there was one astronomer that was proposing this.
And now the rest have started catching on to the bandwagon.
Pretty much most of them are agreeing there must be a star.
But one thing they're not taking into account is that it might be a binary star or a star with planets around it.
And none of them talk about that.
And that's what's really dangerous.
Why is that?
Because if it was just a single star, it would come hurtling in close to the core and then go hurtling back out without a problem.
So it's like a pinball machine.
It goes up and then it gets flipped out.
Right.
But you would get some gas coming off it that might fall in over a period of 10 years and produce some low-level activity, but that's about it.
But if you have a binary star, the companion star, when this system gets close as this G2 cloud is about now at its closest point, the galactic core's gravity field can actually rip the companion away from the primary star.
And so as the primary star continues along its orbit, now the companion can get ripped out and drawn into the core.
And so here you have a new pinball game with a companion coming in.
The question is, what is its trajectory?
It's a new trajectory.
And in some cases, it could get flipped entirely out of the galaxy, producing what's called a hyper-velocity star.
And they've observed these.
These are stars that are leaving our galaxy at very high speed, coming out of the core.
And the only explanation is it had some encounter with the galactic core.
The other is it could go into a new elliptical orbit, which would not produce any problem.
But then there's a chance that it could actually go in very close to the core and get ripped apart and crash onto its surface.
And that would release a huge energy impulse, which could trigger a superwave.
And this is the thing, if I've read what you've been saying online and watched your videos correctly, this is the thing that is more of the clear and present danger.
This is something that's happening right now.
Yes.
And none of the scientists that are studying the core are taking this into account.
They're actually looking forward anxiously with anticipation to this event, like they want it to happen for scientific reasons to see what will happen.
It's sort of like Bambi and Goliath.
they're totally innocent.
They don't realize that their theories aren't quite right about what's going to happen there.
Do you think on some level, somewhere, somebody does know, and perhaps governments are being briefed about this, just like an awful lot of other stuff that happens in this world, sadly, we're coming to understand we don't get to hear it.
Yeah, I believe so, because if the government knows it's going to happen, they're not going to tell you because they don't want an economic collapse beforehand.
I mean, just think of how this would affect a stock market if suddenly there was no electric power.
Well, effectively, there wouldn't be one.
Wall Street would shut right down.
So would the city of London if it was every person for themselves?
Then forget government, really, because I don't think the security forces and armies would be able to keep the masses when we're talking about tens of millions of people on planet Earth.
Then who's going to keep that in check?
Right.
And so it would be one of the most highly classified topics that the government would have.
And has anybody ever confirmed any of this to you or partially given you a nod and said, Paul, you're working on something important here?
Or are you completely in the dark?
Well, as far as the idea of the binary stars, I did write to about 70 of the astronomers that were working in the galactic core that published papers on it.
And I said, look, this cloud might have not only single star, but binary star or star with planets.
And three wrote back that they thought it was an excellent idea, that this was a very good idea, and some work should be done on this.
But none of them are investigating it.
Nobody has done computer simulations to see what would happen if a binary star was following the trajectory of the G2 cloud.
And they've done computer simulations for other star trajectories, but nobody's done for the G2 cloud.
It seems to me the one person you should be talking with, communicating with, is Stephen Hawking.
He just recently talked about his realization that you can't have black holes, that energy can escape from a singular region like they talk about.
Now, he still accepts that you can have these gravity, well, singularities.
He's just saying that light should be able to escape.
So I am a little, I have a different position than the gravitational singularity, the black hole can't even form to begin with, let alone whether light can escape from it.
So Hawking has a ways to go still, but he's still stuck in the conventional paradigm, unfortunately.
So what do you plan to do next with this information?
Because the idea of this G2 cloud, with whatever it may contain, this is something that we, from what you've said, we need to be focusing on now, because weren't you saying that during April, there is a particular pinch point?
Right.
Yeah, if something happens, it will be, I feel, in the next month, possibly two months, because as the star, G2 star, is rounding its corner, and when it starts coming out away from the core, that's when this companion star could get ripped off and brought in.
So we're in a danger period right now that we should be vigilant.
And all I can do is what I've done.
I send emails to all astronomers doing research on the core, sending them a copy of my paper, which talks about superwaves.
I mean, their theories are so antiquated.
They still think that if there was an outburst, that the cosmic rays would take maybe millions of years to reach us.
They don't realize that with a superwave, the cosmic rays are like bullets.
They travel straight to us at almost the speed of light.
So they would be arriving essentially the same time as the light that we see from the explosion.
So when we see it happening, that's when the cosmic rays are here to bite us.
And they don't have this view.
So they don't see this as affecting the Earth.
That's not part of their reality system.
So the people studying us right now are not prepared for what could happen.
And if it did happen, if the worst case scenario did happen, and this was a binary star or something with more things surrounding it, and then it all goes out of control, how long does that process, once there is an impact, once there's a strike, once there's a challenge from these objects, how long does that take to unfold?
The effect on the grid could be pretty quick.
Let's wind it back to the effect out in space.
How long does that take to happen and then how long does it take for it to get to us?
Well, if it was just a magnitude one event, maybe could last some weeks, a month, even a year.
If it was a magnitude two event, it could last a hundred years.
Magnitude three could be a thousand years.
Magnitude four could be three or four thousand years, like happened around 40,000 years ago.
Do you think that President Obama knows about this and there is some kind of plan at some level?
The difficulty is, of course, for all the governments around the world, if you lose the ability to communicate, and most people these days think communication is the smartphone that you hold in your hand, if you lose that, then you have a disconnected world and a disconnected world is an unstable world.
You've already said the stock market would go down like a ton of bricks.
Everything would go down and it would be an ungovernable situation.
It's possible if there were telephone systems Based on buried fiber optic cables, that those would still be operable.
Those would be the least vulnerable to an EMP.
Any appliances you have plugged in the wall could get overloaded with electric spike.
So we could be talking about fires and destruction, couldn't we?
Sure, I would imagine.
And also the problem of gasoline.
How are you going to fill your tank if there's no electricity to run the pumps, the gas pumps?
And how are you going to know that there might be a man down the street who's found a way to make his pumps work by, I don't know, by using a sort of nodding donkey type thing.
Maybe there is somebody down the street, but if you haven't got communication, you ain't going to know.
Well, you'd want your own generator with a little gas supply to be able to run things like your refrigerator, things like that.
My listeners would say, is this man putting his money where his mouth is?
Have you prepared?
I haven't, I have to admit.
I'm hoping maybe to take refuge with some place with a friend who might have been prepared.
In this scenario, where would be a good place to be?
Would you rather be in the mountains around Athens?
Would you rather be in a big American city?
Where's good?
Well, you wouldn't want to be in a city center.
You'd want to be somewhere more rural, ideally, where there's food supply and water.
And the question is whether there'd be civil unrest if it was a serious event.
And these are all reasons why, if there are people in the powers that be in the governments that we have or shadow governments that we may have, these are all good reasons why they wouldn't really want to warn us about this.
Right, yeah.
Because they're warning us about something that is beyond anybody's control.
So better just to let it happen.
How would they know, you know, if there was certainty something going to happen?
Well, there's another point, isn't it?
You say that the scientists are not looking in the right direction in the right way.
What is the first sign that we would get?
Who would detect this first?
Would it be a big observatory like Britain's Jondrell Bank?
Well, pretty much simultaneously across the planet, suddenly bang, a cosmic ray intensity would be through the roof.
Your cosmic ray detectors all over the world would show a spike.
Then the satellites would be knocked out.
A lot of data feeds would go down.
So there would probably be a lot of confusion, difficulty to communicate what's happening.
Now, the thing is that I sort of doubt there'd be too much buildup.
It's a possibility we'd have some warning if this...
In other words, if this companion is large enough that it can generate a secondary cloud as it separates, you'll see this division.
And are you confident they'll tell you?
Three of them said that they would let me know.
The other thing is once this star gets in close to the core, it's going to start being ripped apart and exploding outward, and this will generate a lot of X-ray emission.
So the SWIFT satellite will see a couple days before the actual superwave, we'll see this huge rise of X-ray emission.
But it's not very comforting to know that right now the SWIFT satellite website that posts their data is down because they haven't paid their domain fee.
Oh, Lord.
Can you believe?
So for the last three days, we haven't been able to get any data.
I've written to one of their scientists saying, when are you going to pay your fees to get this up again?
And would amateur astronomers, some of whom are using these days very sophisticated gear, would they have an idea?
Yeah, amateur astronomers could be important, very important.
And probably a lot, many of them will be watching the galactic core.
Even there are probably some that have amateur radio telescopes, small scale, that could at least get some sort of data from that.
Do you feel there in Athens talking about this stuff that a lot of people are not listening to, a lot of the scientific community is not listening to?
Do you feel isolated?
Well, I feel there's a responsibility that I have to communicate to the scientific community.
Of course, I've been trying to do this for the last 20, 30 years to inform them about this through papers.
And back in 1989, the Starburst Foundation, which we have a website, starburstfound.org, we did a outreach to the UN, to the Congress, US Congress, to various agencies, Nuclear Regulatory Commission, and so on, to warn them about the possibility of superwave.
This was well before we had any idea about G2 cloud, and did get some positive response back from quite a few of these people.
Well, this is good.
I mean, you mentioned nuclear.
We haven't even touched on that.
We have this technology that is more powerful than anything else we have down here on Earth, as far as we understand.
We've seen what happens.
We've got a small idea of what happens if it goes wrong.
What happened at Fukushima more recently in Japan is very alarming, and I don't believe we've been told the full scale of that.
Just imagine what would happen to nuclear power stations if that technology was destabilized by something like you're talking about.
Yeah, in fact, back in 89, there was still, it was during the Cold War, and They were talking about decommissioning a lot of the nuclear weapons.
What we were trying to warn about is if there was a superwave that arrived, not to mistake it as a high-altitude nuclear explosion, because they found that nuclear bomb explosions in the atmosphere can produce, can create an EMP that can knock out electric grids.
That happened with the Starfish explosion over Hawaii in the 50s.
So we had warned them, you know, if a superwave happens, be aware that this is an astronomical event, not to launch nuclear weapons, thinking that you've been attacked.
But now this is less of a threat because of all the disarmament that's gone on since that time.
But still with the situation to do with Moscow, Crimea, Ukraine, Mr. Putin, etc., this is an unstable world.
We have North Korea out there.
Somebody may misinterpret, and there is always the possibility that a terrible and cataclysmic mistake could be made.
Right.
So what would you like to have, as we conclude this conversation about this threat to us?
And there you are in Athens talking about it, and I'm glad that you've spoken with me about it.
I know a lot more than I did.
What do you do next?
What's your next step?
Well, I'm trying as much as I can to get on radio shows to inform people because you're not being informed through the media.
Do some more contacting of the astronomers.
I've written directly to two of the top astronomers that are fairly looked up to in their investigation of the G2 cloud, letting them know that there is a possibility, it's not 100%, it's maybe 10% or 8%, that it could produce a superwave.
And that means that they should be aware that these cosmic rays can have an effect on the Earth, something they're not taking account of, and didn't get any response back.
Which could be saying one of two things.
We're aware of this, but we ain't telling you.
Or we think you're mad.
I think it's the second.
Or I'm not somebody they know.
I haven't been attending the scientific conferences lately, so they don't know who I am.
They might be very busy and they figure, oh, here's another theory that somebody's sending them.
They don't know my track record.
I've made predictions on this.
They've been right on over the years.
It's a whole, something like 12 predictions that the superwave theory has made that were later confirmed.
But what was the most recent of those?
The 12 predictions.
What was the most recent of those?
The 12 predictions.
Well, like these 13 events that have happened since 5,300 years from now, the past 5,300 years.
I gave the dates, the approximate dates, when these had happened.
And then they started discovering these cosmic ray spikes in the tree ring records and the ice core record.
They found small beryllium-10 spikes where the dates corresponded.
And they couldn't explain them by normal means like supernova explosions.
They were talking about some very high energy event.
And in fact, I wrote to one of the authors who was from Japan, and I said, have you taken into account superwaves?
And he had not heard of superwaves.
So you have to educate these people.
It's sort of like you're in a crowded room with a lot of noise and you're trying to raise your voice and you're not heard.
And that's the situation.
And does it worry you that all our lives have a finite span?
There will come a time when we're all not here because that's just part of being a human being.
Who will carry on this work?
Yeah, I know my life does not end at death.
The spirit is immortal.
But you won't be able to carry on this campaign here if you're not here is what I'm saying.
Who will take that on?
Well, a lot of people know about the superwave phenomenon who have been reading my books, Earth Under Fire, for example, and the Galactic Superwave CD that we put out.
There's also a video put out called the Galactic Superwaves or Earth Under Fire.
So you hope that by doing small things like this now, it'll have a snowball effect and more people will become aware.
It's about awareness.
Well, it's a long-term thing.
Let's say that this doesn't happen.
It doesn't mean the threat has gone away.
We've seen the evidence is in the ICE record.
It's in the Earth's geological record that these events happened.
They're not easily explained away.
And so if it doesn't happen this time around, sooner or later it's going to happen.
Like I was saying, my original prediction was in the next four centuries, pretty certain that we're going to get something.
The last event was 700 years ago.
And if you look at these events stretching back, the small events, there was one that happened about every four or 500 years.
So that means we're overdue for another event.
And you said about 20 minutes or so ago in this conversation, and you said you'd come back to it, that the whole thing was like a game of, I wrote it down, a game of roulette.
What did you mean by that?
As to what will happen with this star, there's a very high chance that it contains a companion.
So if that's the case, something is going to get ripped off, but we don't know, will it fall in close to the core to set off an explosion?
There's various trajectories.
So just like in pinball, how you flip the ball, will it hit the target?
You don't really know.
In fact, there is a game in our posting, and we have a news posting on the etheric.com website called Galactic Pinball.
And there's an actual pinball game.
It's called Black Hole, which very much resembles what is going to be happening, except there, if you hit the score, you're a negative effect, not the winner.
You're in big trouble.
So my pinball analogy earlier in this conversation was right, it seems.
That's the first.
Paul, if people want to know about you and your work, is etheric.com the best place to do that?
Yeah, I put updates of what's happening at the Galactic Core there in the news postings, and there's a lot of information that you can read about superwaves.
If you select the Galactic Superwave selection there, there's many pages and links to material about it.
Just do a Google search about galactic superwaves and you'll come to a lot of sites, actually.
Oh, and I did.
I did.
And that's absolutely true.
Well, I find it a fascinating conversation.
I hope you haven't minded too much me stopping you at various points, just getting you to expand on things.
But I have seen some conversations with you where there's an awful lot of science.
And if you're not a scientific person, primarily like myself and many other people, leaves you with a bit of a headache.
So I think we've cut through an awful lot of it now, and we have a very clear case there.
And what I'd like to do is catch up with you in a few months, and then we can talk around this some more and also talk about some of your other work about pulsars and the many other things that you've done.
But I've really enjoyed this conversation, and I'm glad that one of my listeners suggested you as a guest, Paul.
Well, thank you very much, Howard.
I was glad to help get the word out on this.
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