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Aug. 15, 2008 - The Unexplained - Howard Hughes
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Edition 17 - Christian Dion

Christian Dion British super-psychic joing Howard for this edition, well known on radio andtv in the UK, he now lives in Los Angeles and is psychic to the stars!

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Across the UK, across continental North America, and around the world on the internet, by webcast and podcast.
My name is Howard Hughes, and this is The Unexplained.
Thank you for coming back to the show, and also thank you for the very good response we had to our Gary Patterson, the expert on rock and roll myths, legends, conspiracy theories, ghosts, and other weird stuff.
Gary's working on a couple of things for me at the moment, and one of those I can tell you is a possible interview with Peggy Sue, the real-life Peggy Sue who was the subject of Bobby Holly's song of that name.
Now, she believes that all these decades after his death, he is communicating with her.
So, as you know, if you hear that show, and it's still available on archive, Bobby Holly is a common theme in the lives and deaths of so many people in the world of rock.
It is weird.
It seems to go way, way beyond coincidence, but you've got to listen to the show to know what I'm talking about.
So, we're going to try and find out from Peggy Sue what this deal is all about.
Now, the guest this time is somebody that I've known for about 20 years or more.
His name is Christian Dion.
And I first heard Christian on a local radio station in the northwest of England, and I thought this guy's really good.
He's a medium, but an incredible medium.
I mean, he's psychic to the stars now in Los Angeles.
Lived in the UK for many years, decided to move to America and start working there, and he's doing very well at the moment.
But the guy, when I went to interview him at his parents' home in Blackpool, back in the 80s, I was a student broadcaster, I took my little machine there, and I started asking him questions, and we did an interview, and that was fine, and at the end he said, now I'm going to do a reading for you.
Now, I didn't go there to get a reading, and I wasn't even sure whether I wanted one, but I let him do it.
And the character analysis of me for the time was amazing.
He couldn't possibly have known the things that he told me about myself.
He couldn't.
Because when you go in to do a thing as a journalist, you don't give much away about yourself.
It's not about you.
It's about the person you're going to talk to.
So he couldn't have known those things.
That was interesting.
What was also interesting were the predictions he made for me, which at the beginning did not come true.
And I don't think I wrote him off.
I just thought, oh, well, he was on and off day.
He didn't get it right that time.
But the point of the story is, seven years later, I was sitting in a radio studio in London about to read my first national newscast.
Now, I was doing it in the middle of a talk program, and opposite me, as I was quite nervously sitting there, waiting to go on the air with the news, there was somebody I thought I recognised.
And the seconds were ticking down to the top of the hour, and the news, and the commercials were still playing up to the top of the hour.
And this man leans across the desk and he says, I told you so.
And that was Christian seven years after he made those predictions, including the one that I would come to London and do some of the things that I've done.
So I think the guy's pretty amazing.
And he's coming on very soon.
Just a final reminder, please send me email.
It's unexplainedh at yahoo.co.uk.
Whatever you think of the show, any ideas about it, I'm very, very grateful.
Let's get to the guest now.
We'll cross to Los Angeles, California, where it's eight hours behind the UK.
And here is super psychic Christian Dion.
Christian, nice to have you on.
And how are you, sir?
Well?
I'm very good.
I'll tell you what, though, in the last week or so, Christian, I've no idea what the weather's been like where you are, but here, it's been so damned hot and humid with it.
The weather is like, you know, I had the great joy of traveling around the world for work and saw lots of hot and steamy places like you have, pardon the expression.
But London, this last week, maybe 10 days or so, has been like a sauna.
Well, you know, it's funny because normally the heat in Los Angeles and California in general is a dry heat.
So it's tolerable.
I mean, until it gets to 101 and then you just don't even go out of the house.
But it's been humid.
And it's like living in Florida.
It's like you have the shower, you get out of the shower, you dry yourself out, walk outside, and you may as well never have bothered to be in the shower in the first place.
Now, that's not the kind of stuff you get on the West Coast.
It tends to be dry, and that's why they have the forest fires.
Right, we've got 800 of them individual fires at the minute.
But they also, you know, they talk about earthquake weather in California, and the scientists say, oh, it doesn't exist.
But what's very interesting, we had a little shaker the other day, and it was funny because it's like a roller coaster ride.
You feel like the rumble, and it's the sort of feeling to start with, as though a truck's gone past the house rather fast.
And you go, oh, that sounded a big plus.
And then there's no engine.
And you go, oh, dear.
So I just had time to leap from the computer to the TV to stop it coming off the brackets.
And it goes, brr, and the floor goes up and down and this episode.
And you go, oh, this is great.
Other people are screaming and carrying it and I think it's hilarious.
And then I said, that's the earthquake weather.
And then lo and behold, on the news that night, they were talking about it.
And the weather guy said, I'm always asked about the earthquake weather.
He said, as which the scientists and me and the scientists don't believe in such.
He said, but if you track back over a 20 and 21 period of time, when we get these lunar eclipses that we just had yesterday, the solar eclipse followed by the lunar eclipse, which we just had yesterday and the lunar ones coming, there's an earthquake around the same time.
So scientifically, it's proven every 20, 21 years, this cycle, bang.
And the big question is that everybody asks all the time there is, when's the big one coming?
Oh, well, they can't predict it.
I mean, I believe we'll be safe.
I actually don't think we'll get the big one where New York becomes the West Coast.
I don't think anything like that's going to happen.
I think it's much more lots of little ones, biggish ones, not the ten-point thing that they think is coming, you know, the six and the seven, which is still pretty rough, but, you know, it doesn't do as much damage because everything also has been retrofitted here.
And it's the brick buildings that fall down here, not the wooden ones, funny enough.
Now, isn't that strange?
Because the wooden ones they built for, you know, decades and decades and they know how to build them.
But they scream in an earthquake, the nails go up like that, where the brick ones just fall over.
I think you're very brave to live.
I mean, it's a wonderful place to live, great quality of life, but you never know what's coming down the track, do you?
You could get run down by a bus in Oxford Street, too, in a straight thing.
That's true enough.
But weird weather here, weird weather there.
And also at the same time, and we'll talk about this a little later, but we've got all of this economy stuff coming.
So I don't know whether you follow the British news, but British gas, most of us use gas here for cooking and for heating.
And British Gas announced a 35% price hike.
I know you go, you know I talk to my mum daily and she tells me this thing and I go, and are they putting the pensions up by the same amount and the wages back?
Because eventually people run out of money to pay these hikes so there is nothing to pay them with.
I don't get it.
It's it's like it's like here people say, oh it's what is it around now?
$5 a gallon which is about £10 a gallon, £11, you know, and yours is £11 a gallon, £5 a gallon to you.
And here it's $5.
And they complain at $5.
I go, it's $11 in Europe.
What are you talking about?
And they don't travel far.
You know, what they did in America in the 50s, 60s and 70s, they built these housing, for want of a better expression, estates, miles out of the centers because petrol was 50 cents a gallon and they had the big cars and it didn't matter.
Now that's what's crippling the people.
It's costing them $150 to $200 a week to drive to work.
It's absolutely crazy.
And I don't think it's going to get any better.
I think the next 18 months is one hell of a rough ride.
And, you know, it'll all be done around the mortgage thing because that's how they seem to sort of test the waters with it.
And I think houses are going to go even lower in the next 18 months.
I truly think there's a lot of piled up crap that has to be a little bit like an earthquake.
There's all this pressure being piled up and built on sandy soil and all these sillier foundations and money stupid figures that has to fall down to level it out so everybody can start to live as against exist.
Well, it's funny you should say that because just down the road from where I live, a developer bought a great big site that used to be, it used to be the headquarters of the electricity board here.
So it was a big site.
They had their offices there, loads of other stuff.
They cleared this site.
It must have cost them quite a few bubbles quite a few dollars, pounds, whatever, to buy that site.
They leveled it, and they've now built luxury apartments there.
And I've got this feeling that these luxury apartments, which are in quite a nice location, are not going to sell.
And how much are they up for a reflect?
Oh, no, I can't tell you, but I would probably punting a guess on what property goes for around here.
This is London.
I'd say for a one-bedroom, you're starting at £200,000.
And what's that in dollars these days?
£400,000.
Yeah, $400,000.
And for something a bit bigger, you scale it up from there.
But an equivalent property, say, 10 years ago, would have been half, even less than half, really.
Now, I've got a feeling these things have been built.
The builder has taken a punt on this site, thinking, well, it's a sure thing as far as you can have a sure thing.
And this is happening all over London and all over the UK.
And I don't think they're going to shift unless they do some very good deals and take a hit on it.
They're not going to shift.
And or they turn to renting them, which is kind of what happens here a little bit.
They'll build them, and if they can't get rid of them, they'll either sell them at half price, or should we say more or less their cost, and or they'll try and rent them out to hold them.
So in, say, 10 years' time.
Because in the old days, people would buy their first house and they'd upgrade to a second one, say after the five or six years of marriage, when the children start coming along, let's say a three-bedroom, two-bedroom, semi-detached house.
And they would stay with that house for 20 years.
And that's how they built their equity for further down.
And then they'd come out of that into a little bungalow or something.
And that would have paid for itself from the sale of the one that they'd built over 20 years.
And they could live nicely.
But, you know, all this stupid escalation of prices, again, on silly foundations.
And people are back-ending things where the house is worth less than the payments.
It's crazy.
But the whole thing was built on greed.
If you look at the television here, I don't know, it must be the same in America.
There are so many property shows where they were encouraging people at one point to buy, buy, buy, to either do up and sell at a huge profit or to rent.
Well, you know, that all looks a little hollow now.
Well, it's the same as a stock market.
The minute the computers got to the point where everybody from their living room, and I'm not saying people shouldn't do the stock market, but it always used to be done on a slower process by people who did it for a living, who knew what they were doing.
And then you've got this thing where people do it for day trading, and that's what's undermined it.
Because it was never as bad as it is now prior to this online one-day trading business that everybody seems to think they could...
Yeah, but in America, radio and TV ads and the newspapers tell you all the time, here is my formula for making you a fortune on the stock market.
Well, it's the same old story.
It's like me selling you the numbers to win the lottery.
If I'm selling the numbers, why haven't I done it?
I think you'd be a great philosopher, and we could talk about this stuff all day long.
I want to talk, though, about your core activity and particularly about you.
Now, some of the people listening to this will have heard your story before, but I think it's worth going, especially for the people listening in places like New Zealand and Hong Kong and the US.
They may not know you quite so well.
So tell me your story.
How did it start?
Well, it started when I was five, really.
I mean, I've done this since I was five, and that's brilliant years ago now.
And it just escalated as a kid.
I went to school, and I thought, you see, I still believe this.
I think we're all born with the ability to see spirit or to see beyond our normal vision.
And by the time we get to five, or four or five years old, and we're sent to school, we're told to shut up.
Or we're told we're not to listen to our dreams or we can't have our imaginary friends, end quotes, anymore.
Unfortunately, or fortunately, depending which end of the stick you want to be hit with, I wasn't told to shut up.
So when I went to school, I would create all kinds of havoc because there might be 12 kids in the classroom and I'm going, oh, there's another 30 over here.
What's this going about?
And fortunately enough, my mum and dad knew about spiritualism and psychic phenomena enough to help coach me through it.
I mean, they still, you know, don't quite grasp the level at which I ended up working and what happened to me.
I remember when I was about six, my dad tells this story of he went to a working men's club in the north of England.
Now, for those that don't know what a working men's club in the north of England is...
If they like you, they throw beer bottles at you.
And there was a guy called Maurice Woodruff, who was recently portrayed in the Peter Sellers movie because he was Peter Sellers' astrologer.
Well, Maurice Woodruff in that movie, I know exactly what you're talking about.
He was played by Stephen Fry, and he was played as a big fake.
Yeah, well, you know, that's LO, that's what they always say, but that's beside the point.
And he said he was at this working men's club, and there's like 2,000 men in the audience, and he said, anyway, he has a question.
My father put his hand up and said, What about me?
He didn't ask him anything.
He said, What about me?
He said, Well, your eldest of your two sons, and at that time there was myself and my brother Paul who had just been born, will end up working amongst the stars in Beverly Hills.
Now, first of all, that's so outrageous a comment to make.
And from where?
And he'll work amongst the stars.
And lo and behold, where did I end up?
But in Beverly Hills, working amongst the stars, doing what I do.
Now, okay, you can take that on two levels.
You know, maybe he predicted what you were about to do, or maybe you just worked your life around to doing that eventually.
Well, you see, that could be so, but as you know, I fought coming to America.
Tooth and nail, I didn't want to come here.
You know, I was okay in England, and then events took place around me, which made it so that, okay, I've had enough here.
We'll try America.
So, you know, I learned not to argue with it.
It's kind of, it takes you a long time to, I won't say let it control your life, but to truly let it guide you because, you know, people talk about their instincts.
They talk about, I didn't get on that flight and it crashed, or I decided to take the bus today and not the car.
And I go, listen to it.
It will never do you any harm.
And what the hell?
Who cares about a bus trip rather than a car trip?
Listen to it.
We were sent to this spaceship that we travel on called Earth, not to become spiritual beings.
We're not humans becoming spiritual.
Because if we were, the world would be getting better.
It wouldn't be getting worse.
We're here as spiritual beings to understand the human journey.
And if you don't listen to this voice, the one that told you to go to America, for example, if you don't listen to this voice, if you don't take the guidance, if you don't take the hint, in other words, are you always brought back in a circle to that point?
In other words, will they always bring you back there and make you do it?
Right.
And this ties into when people say to me, oh, can you change your future?
I go, I actually, my personal opinion is I don't think you can change it.
I think you can delay it.
So if you don't listen first time round, here we go again.
It's like an actress winning an Oscar.
If she doesn't win it for this one, she'll win it for the second one.
She's still going to win an Oscar.
It's just the way it is.
And you just have to keep going because there's these lessons you have to learn.
And sometimes they're very easy lessons and you don't even know you've learned it till you've passed through the hoop.
And sometimes the hoop's on fire and you go, and I'm not going through it even with a fire extinguisher.
And you get pushed through it without the fire extinguisher.
I like that.
Going back to that early time, though, so you were the psychic child of psychic parents, is that right?
Right.
Well, the funny story about my mum and dad is because my mum was basically an orphan and brought up by a great aunt and uncle, which more or less became my grandma and granddad, if you think about it in that context.
And my father, my father's father, used to make the furniture walk across the floor to scare the kids, to make them go to bed and stay in bed and things like that.
So all this mediumship's always been around, but neither of them wanted to tell each other that they went to spiritualist church, or as we nickname it, the spuggy church, for fear of thought of being stupid or crazy or mental or whatever.
So it wasn't until they'd been dating for a while that one of them, I still to this day never remember whether it was my mum or the dad said, oh, let's go to church.
And they both went, okay.
Like, it was the normal thing to do.
And that was it.
You know, it's just that simple.
So it was something that everybody accepted, nobody talked about, and eventually they kind of came out.
Right.
And I decided to take it to the masses in an entertaining context because I'm a firm believer you can educate people better with laughter than with a hammer.
And which is why I always do these outrageous stage shows I do and it's over-the-top costuming and stuff like that.
Because the minute they laugh, you've got them.
Their energy's flowing and that's what you need to do.
Rather than stand up on a stage where they do and it drives me mad where the media starts up going, does anybody know an M?
There's 3,000 people in this auditorium, right?
And they're going, does anybody know an M?
I go, they died.
They didn't get amnesia.
They still know who they are.
And it drives me mad.
Or you say the ones where, you know, it's like for everybody listening, this is just free advice.
If you come to see a psychic and you sit down and the psychic says to you, what do you want to know?
And you say to them, how's my marriage?
First of all, you're married and it's crap because you're asking the question.
But if you sit down and if you come to see me, you've experienced it.
You know what I haven't.
The tape goes on, which is yours to take away and I tell you.
And you're not allowed to say anything till the end.
That's just the way that's how it's supposed to be done.
And when people come in through those doors, like I did to interview you, and then you said, okay, I'm going to prove this to you and I'm going to do you a reading, which was an amazing character analysis.
You knew nothing about me and I was giving nothing away at that time.
No.
And you did a few other things.
But are there people that you can't pick up stuff from?
No, no, there are people who can sit there and say no when it's still, yes, I don't care.
You're wasting your time.
It's their fear.
And this is why, again, I don't advertise.
You only ever get to know about me through a friend.
So you've already been tipped off, like, you know, it's a bit rough with you.
Or he doesn't know what the word tact means.
Because it's not my job to filter it.
It's not about me.
It has absolutely nothing to do with me, which, again, is why I tape it.
I mean, I still get emails from 20 years ago.
People call me.
They say, oh, we just found your site on the internet.
Are you still doing readings?
Are you coming in to London?
You did a reading 20 years ago and you told me this, that, and the other.
Daily I'll get one of those.
And that's great confirmation.
But again, it takes a lot of time.
It takes, you know, sometimes 20 years for it to happen.
And when you're in that situation and you see, and I've asked you this question before, but it's worth asking again now, when you see something that's not nice for somebody, when you told me things about the way that, you know, the way that things would pan out for me, some of them were not all that nice.
Do you have to try and get a warning?
But do you temper it to the person that you're dealing with?
In other words, you know, I came there as what appeared to be young journalist, all the rest of it, and supposedly quite tough.
But some people are not like that.
They would go to pieces if you say anything bad to them.
Well, you see, we're back to the word bad and the word Negative.
I mean, it's not so much a case of you're going to tell them they're dying, because personally, in my opinion, that's not a bad thing.
It's more to do with, let's say I said to you, and I'm paraphrasing here, that you were going to go through and things would work out, and then there'd be a bad patch, and then you'd end up in London, and then there'd be another bad patch.
So, if it went through the first bits where you got it, you went to London, they went through a bad patch.
By the time you got to the bad patch, you went, okay, he did say after the bad patch, there'd be a resurgence.
So, it allows you to know that, okay, this is just a phase.
Because it's the same thing.
When we're in a positive phase, time flies through.
When we're in a negative phase, it seems to drag.
Yeah, but you know, human nature is such that people want it all and they want it now.
So, if you tell somebody there's going to be a bit of a lull, when they get to that lull, they think to themselves, all right, then this man said things were going to improve.
Come on, then, where's the improvement?
Exactly.
And it keeps them focused forward rather than backwards.
And that's, again, why I tape it.
So, is it good when you tell somebody something good is going to happen after something bad happens, it's good, you think, that they, you know, they trivy and worry away at it?
Well, a little bit, because nothing should come for free, and nothing should come easy, because it's not worth it.
You know, you have to pay your dues in this life in various different ways.
I mean, people look at these celebrities that, you know, that are around where I live, and they go, oh, they have a fabulous lifestyle.
And I go, oh, if you only knew.
You know, these people have been changed by the paparazzi or whatever.
They have to put up with a lot to have that quote-unquote good life.
And trust me, a lot of them's life ain't that good.
Now, do you have...
Yeah.
But I don't talk.
I mean, I'll talk in general.
The only time I talk about them is if they've talked about me in an interview, then that's fake.
Who's done that then?
I'm trying to think of one I can get away with.
Let me see.
Well, there's a lady here called Holland Hit.
Do you get a programme in England called Two and a Half Men?
No.
What is it?
Sitcom?
It's a sitcom.
It's the highest-rated sitcom with Charlie Sheen.
And she plays the mother in the programme.
But a few years ago, I was introduced to her through someone that I'd kind of met.
And she then had a reading.
And I didn't know who she was.
At that time, she was on something, the practice.
She was one of the judges on the practice from about 10 years ago, something like that.
And I went to see her, and I sat down and I said, oh, you're an actress, which didn't really impress her because she knew she was an actress.
I just didn't because I didn't recognize her.
And I said, oh, you're going to win an award.
And this is like February of the time of year.
No, I'm not.
And, you know, it just got funnier.
And then we became pals.
And she kind of forgot about it.
And then along came September and she won the MF4 part of the thing.
And she went, you back her.
You know, it was kind of one of those things.
And it's because people want the spectacular stuff all the time.
But the stuff where someone's life is in the normal zone where they're not famous, and you tell them they're going to meet the person who's right for them.
Don't worry about this one that you're with.
Let's get rid.
Go forward and think.
And that's just as spectacular in the universe as the person who wins the Emmy.
But I would think statistically the kind of people who would come to see you are people like performers, like people who are questing for good luck, fame and fortune.
Well, because their lives are a little bit more erratic, maybe, but that's not where it started.
I mean, you know, the old joke was I was like the Psychic Cave on Lady of England.
I used to go to do parties in people's homes and started on Blackburn Radio.
I think that was one of the first were the BBC.
That's where I heard you first.
Yeah, and I think the guy producer there was very funny because he was some I can't never remember his last name, he was Polish, and I'd forgotten about it and, you know, went back and did more because they'd never seen anything like it.
They didn't think it could be done.
And that's how I got the Steve Wright show.
And the Steve, and I thought I got the Steve Wright show because he used to listen to me on LBC.
And he called me up one day and said, it's Steve Wright.
And I went, yeah, right.
And then I thought, oh, he's on the private line here, mind me.
And you go into our, you know, they used to do this night program somewhere, or they used to go to Discotex and do shows.
He said, every time we go to the shows, we listen to you on the way there and back.
And I went, and it was back to that thing, and I always tell people, you never know who's listening.
Well, that's true.
There was a Paul McCartney song, what was it called?
Take It Away.
Do you remember that song?
And the catch line of it was, the hook line was, you never know who'll be listening to you.
Yeah, exactly.
You never know.
And especially here, I warn people all the time, you know, you can be in a restaurant here, and truly here, you don't know who's at the next table.
because the face isn't famous doesn't mean to say they're not connected.
So where do you want to Yeah, well, I want it.
Where would you want to take your, I'm going to call it a practice, but where would you want to take that next?
Do you want to be doing it for the Clint Eastwoods and people?
Maybe you are.
for people like that?
Well, again, it's back to the, And, you know, Laughter is the education and forget the hammer.
So I can't tell you where yet because the details are still wet.
But I used to do a show in England called An Evening in Your Lifetime, which we did in the West End and various different theatres around England.
And some people here showed interest in it.
So we're going to be doing a casino show probably starting September, October, which will be like a headlining show, which is all set in Victorian times because that's when it really took off spiritualism, if you will, in London, particularly in England.
And it's based around Sir Arthur Cornan Doyle, and it's kind of set in his living room to tie it all in with sharlotcons and things like that.
And it's something that I've been doing at the Magic Castle, and the Magic Castle is where all the magicians and illusionists work.
I mean, it's like working at the Magic Circle in England.
And, you know, I am the only real psychic that've ever had work there.
And I did two shows not so long ago.
And the first show was full of the people that were there.
And the second show was full of all the illusionists and mentalists trying to work out how I did what I did.
And the great compliment at the end was they came and said, well, we don't know how you're doing it, kid, but it's quite fascinating.
Now, look, the British, and it's one of their lovable characteristics, are quite sceptical and sometimes quite cynical, too.
The Americans, from my experience, may be less so.
So how are you received in America compared with here?
I'll give you exactly the same example.
And people, I tell this to people, and they go, No, that can't be right.
Because people say, Well, why aren't you on television more?
I say, Okay, I get asked to do a TV show, like say the Roseanne show when she had a talk show.
I do it, and then they realize it's for real, and it's so outrageous in their eyes, both England and America, that they don't ask you back because it's real.
What, you mean you're too good?
No, I'm not saying too good, I'm saying it's real.
They suddenly realize it's for real, that it's not trickery and it's not planted people.
So, hang on, let's wind this back.
So, you go on a show like that, Roseanne show, or one of these talk shows.
Ellen DeGeneres has got one that I like personally, and they do their stuff with you, and they ask you the questions, and then they realize that there's perhaps more to it, and that works against you.
Yeah, because it's real.
Because I don't stand there and go into the audience, I don't stand there, has anybody got an E?
Or, you know, I point to the, I say, I'll say to the host, you point to somebody.
Because I always say, look, when we do the shows, the live shows, when you come in through the door, you pick a number out of a box and you keep that number, not your ticket number, because those we could rig.
And then on stage is a computer-generated number machine, and it picks numbers, and it picks that number, then the camera comes to you, and I talk to you.
The same with a TV show, I say to the host, you pick the people in the audience, and then I can't be accused of having plans.
That can't be, well, from what I understand, you can't fake that.
No, you can't.
Because the convict, and the host knows, you know, if the host knows the person, it doesn't matter.
I don't.
And we do the thing, and then they suddenly realize that, because the host might know that the victim, as I like to call them, that I'm picking on the audience, and they know their story, it's like, oh, it's for real.
And that scares them even more.
And it's just a case of getting to the point where someone's brave enough to get past that.
But look, look, we've, over the years, I've put this point to you a couple of times, but I think it's worth putting again.
People who are going to be at a thing like that are probably going to be there for one of two reasons.
One, because somebody's brought them there and it's a bit of fun.
Two, most importantly and more likely to be the reason they're looking for something.
So instantly, you know, you're tipped off that they've lost somebody and they want to talk to them, they want to get on in their career, they want to find love.
These are the core themes.
So when you look at it that way, couldn't anybody be a psychic?
Well, everybody is a psychic.
It's just that the difference is, it's like the talent we can all paint by numbers.
The gift is we're not all Picasso.
And I just was given this gift.
And people often say to me, oh, what a God-given gift.
And I go, yeah, it's also a curse.
Well, it is a curse because I know personally that it takes a toll out of you.
I remember seeing you once a very long time ago, and you've been doing all of this stuff, and it drains you.
Yeah, and it also closes more doors than it opens because people become a fear of you.
Yeah, well, they do.
They do.
I have to say, let's be honest, and I'm not the only one who said this.
I think when I first knew you, I was a bit afraid because I thought, okay, what does he know?
What's he going to say?
You don't like the idea.
If you're an ordinary Joe on the street, you don't like the idea that somebody can open up your life like a book.
Right.
But, you know, that's just the way it is.
So is that what's happening with these TV shows then?
When these people who think that their lives are private and who think that the way that they conduct themselves is not known by anybody very much except the National Inquirer, perhaps, here comes somebody who appears to know.
That's going to send them running, isn't it?
100 miles an hour the other way.
Right.
I mean, I always do promise that I will behave myself to the best of my ability with the host on the show.
And the only other thing I ask them is that I do not wish to be introduced to them until I'm on the floor with them.
Well, I think that's fair.
And then you cannot stage or fix anything.
Yeah, and they're okay with that.
And if they say, I don't want to be zapped, pick on somebody else, I go, cool, that's okay.
But the very same people that say that on camera in the dressing room as soon as we're finished.
Really?
That's the funny side to it all, and it's very comical to me.
Do you call that?
Is that hypocrisy?
Is that what you would call it?
I think it's hilarious.
I think it's human nature.
I mean, it's like when I do the show, like the casino show, you know, you can guarantee the bulk of the audience, 75% will be women and 25% of the men that are dragged in with them.
And they're the great ones to pick on.
You know, I always pray that one of them, those numbers will get picked up because the skeptic ones are the best converts ever.
So is this human thing about all of this?
Is it a bit like you can be in some street in London and a female streaker runs past you?
Now, you might say, oh, what an appalling thing.
What a terrible thing to do here in a busy street with all these people.
But did you look?
Of course you did.
Right, right.
Well, you know, and it's also the worst, people say to me, what's the worst place for you to go?
And I go, airports.
And they go, why?
Are you flying to fly?
And I said, I'm a hell, it's closer to head office.
I said, it's not the flying.
It's being, an airport is full of emotion, either arriving or leaving emotion.
Happy or sad.
I don't care which one it is.
And it's absolutely, I hate it.
I hate airports and train stations to a degree are very similar, but not as much.
But it's the absolute drain of emotion that you put up against whack.
And the thing is, this ability that the gods gave me in their wisdom cannot be turned off.
I can choose to turn the volume down a little bit, but if somebody comes within striking range of the radar who needs some help, it'll turn the volume up too.
It's like the gods have got the remote control, not me.
All right, you're queuing to get your flight.
You're about to go through the gate.
You're about to get on the plane.
And in front of you is somebody and you pick up this vibe from them.
Something that is really important and is really bugging them and you've got the answer to it you think.
Do you tap them on the shoulder and say, excuse me, I'm a famous medium from the UK, I've got some news for you.
Or do you wait till you get on the plane, find them on the plane and then tell them, or do you not bother to tell them?
What do you do?
You make sure that you're behind them When you're leaving the plane and you tap them on the shoulder and you just tell them the information and just get away.
And what happens when you do that?
Oh, their look of astonishment is quite something, but that's why you just let them because it's their information, it's not me.
They don't need to know where it came from.
They just needed to know the information.
In every case.
Yeah.
I'm not going to take your word for this because I don't know.
I haven't been at an airport with you.
But in every case, it's something that they've really wanted to know.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, I've been known to be driving when I was in England and I drive to Blackpool.
I, you know, drive into a petrol station and the person on the other side of the thing or the islander there is the same thing and I just say, oh, don't worry about Sansa and off.
Because they don't need to know, you know.
I mean, sometimes the one giveaway with me wasn't so much the visual giveaway, it was the voice, because people go, oh, it's Steve Wright, LBC, you know, the voice.
That would always give me away.
I mean, I remember the first time I did LBC, I was staying in Bayswater.
And the next day, my voice had gone a bit nervous, one thing or another.
And, you know, an hour with Pete Murray is quite an experience, regardless of.
It's a bit of a roller coaster, isn't it?
And it was fascinating, and it was like, and my voice was a bit thin, so I went downstairs and went, it was Boots, I think, and I said, you know, I said, oh, I need these, please.
And that's all I said, and put them.
And the girl behind the counter put a hand out to me.
And I went, what?
I thought, well, here's the money.
She said, no, I heard you last night on the radio tell me, give me a read my palm power.
I went, oh, my God.
And that point told me how out of control it could get.
Well, it brings it home to you, but where the rubber meets the road, as the Americans say, is how you handle it.
Yeah, yeah.
You have to be very careful.
I mean, the only scary one I ever had, a truly scary one in England, was at the Olympia, the Ideal OM exhibition.
Somebody at LBC and their wisdom thought it would be a great thing to do a live radio broadcast from there inside the Everest Windows booth, if you remember Everest Windows.
I do.
Double glazing, yeah.
Well, this was triple glazing.
And it was about, I don't know, I'm going to say 20 foot by 15 foot, and they had a little studio inside, and then one whole wall was these glass windows.
And to get me in, they put me in a waste truck, and there were people waiting, and I'm inside this little thing with these windows, and the glass is bending while we're doing the radio show.
People that scared me.
That's the only time I've been scared, literally scared, thinking, oh my God, duh, you know, because people just that human thing of wanting to know.
And sometimes, you know, people say, well, why do you do that?
If somebody recognizes you, why do you tell them something?
And I go, because it might be their destiny to have met me at that particular time, never been able to meet someone like me again.
It's out of I can understand that, but it is completely human, and I would understand it if that's how you felt, that you suddenly start to think I am special, not I have a gift that is coming to me from somewhere that is special in itself.
Listen, you know where I come from.
I'd soon get my backside stacked really hard and told what for.
It's like when I do radio shows, you know, or TV shows, and the red light goes on at the five, ten second mark and it disappears for that length of time.
That's to teach me a lesson.
Right, and that happens all the time.
That's to teach me the terror of it.
I hate because you always think, oh, wow, if it doesn't come back.
You know, no, that's to teach me.
It's got nothing to do.
I mean, do, yes, I'm the person on the stage that it is working through, but that's all I am.
I've always thought over all these years that there's a little, tiny, weeny part of you, and again, it's the human thing, isn't it?
Because we're all like this.
That wishes you were doing something else.
If I had a choice, I wouldn't have it.
Straight up.
If you had a choice, what would you be doing?
Would you be on a stage performing?
What would you be doing?
I doubt it.
I'm too shy to do that, really.
And that's the other thing people don't understand about.
I mean, I know people go shocking at me.
I mean, I can stand on a stage in front of 3,000 people and do what I do because I know it's really not me, kind of.
And I can do a TV show and a radio show.
And I'm not saying I don't get nervous, but I can't go and walk into a coffee shop by myself and buy a coffee.
That terrorizes me.
Now, isn't that strange?
When you are so intimately connected with so many people's lives in so many different ways.
Yeah.
I wonder what that's all about.
No, people are stunned when they find it.
If they get to know me just a tad, they go, I would never have believed you were so shy.
So do you find yourself hiding behind a persona?
I'm not analysing you here behind the person.
No, no, no.
I don't think, no, I don't think I do.
I think it, you know, without sounding fair-fied and bizarre, it takes over.
I mean, people have said that, again, the ones that get to know me see the stage show, they go, yeah, Christian walks on and then somebody else takes over and Christian walks off.
It's like somebody else takes over and does the work, and that's how it should be.
It's the same with a radio show.
It's, you know, if you see, and you've seen me before, I go on air, I'm very quiet, and, you know, and then the light goes on, wow, this person appears, and it's just, it's him.
I often refer to it as him.
Well, I always used to think that that was your routine.
You had this little moment of communing and composing yourself.
No, no.
And then the red light goes on and bang, you're doing your job.
Yeah, I know.
People say, oh, do you meditate a lot?
I said, I'm in a constant state of meditation to do what I do.
It never goes away.
But meditation doesn't mean to say it's not sitting in cross-legged with smoke up your nostrils.
It's just being focused.
When you die, and we're all going to die sooner or later.
Absolutely.
Are you going to communicate or come back in some way?
I'm going to haunt a few boogers in this line.
Oh, Tony.
You what?
I'm not going through all this not to be able to come haunt a few of them, please.
Absolutely.
So what?
It's for revenge then?
No, just for a laugh.
I see.
You've got to keep a sense of humour doing what I do.
So you're going to knock the cutlery over or break some vases or...?
That's the problem.
The thing about you, you reminded me of something there, is electronic equipment.
Yeah.
So many people who do interviews with you have problems with electronic equipment.
I mean, at the moment, you and I have not got the best phone line, but I've stuck with it because I want to carry this on.
I don't want to break the flow.
But I laugh at that because these things happen with you.
All the time.
And also, as we both know, I was going to record this a couple of days ago.
Yeah.
And a piece of really reliable equipment that allows me to record phone calls that is incredibly rock solid.
They don't go wrong.
Right.
Broke.
Just wasn't meant to be on that day, that's all it is.
You know what I mean?
But that's the God's way of dealing with it.
It's like, I said yes, so I couldn't, you know, so the God said, oh, I can't even say no, that looks too devarish and too naughty.
So we'll just fix the equipment and we'll do it when we want to do it.
And it had to be done after the eclipse, not before.
Simple, really.
Well, the eclipse was on August the 1st.
We're recording this on August the 2nd.
And something told me that I had to, and this is what I did yesterday.
I drove up to Northampton where this thing is made.
and a guy there fixed it for me and I drove back so that I could hopefully, But I had a feeling you probably would be able to do it.
Yeah, no, I thought it was, when I saw the email, I just started laughing.
I went, okay, fine, next.
It's like, doesn't, see, that kind of stuff doesn't bother me.
I don't get bothered by the quirkiness or the queerness of what goes off around me.
And, you know, I've had enough years to kind of get used to it, but certain stuff still shakes me up.
You know, certain things are, oh, fucker.
And or like, you know, I say to people all the time, well, do you see dead people?
And of course, one of the jokes in the show is, yes, I've met quite a few producers in my time here.
Having said that.
Dead from the neck up.
and a few journalists to boot too.
It's kind of a...
I've gone off thread.
No, we were talking about how this thing turns itself on, turns itself off, and how equipment is affected, and how you just laugh at the way these things happen around you.
Right.
And I know what I was going to say to you.
And people say, do you see dead people?
And I say, yes, but they're not dead.
They're in another space because the dead people are in the cemetery.
And I go, actually, the safest place at midnight is in a cemetery because nobody in there is going to hurt you.
And they might scare you, but they won't hurt you.
But, you know, and we walk around this world and we see, quote-unquote, ghost spirits, whatever you want to call them, all the time.
But because they're not wearing a frock coat, for instance, or a cranoline dress, or carrying their head under their arm, we don't see them.
We don't register them.
We see them, but we don't register them.
And occasionally, I'll be walking along a street, saying, there's a solid wall, and someone will walk out, and it still makes me jump, and I know the joke.
So literally, it's like, what's that program on TV, the Medium program?
It's called Medium.
And she sees, supposedly she sees Alison, isn't it?
Alison Dubois.
I should know this.
I interviewed the woman, the real-life one.
She sees people, like there was one episode where a guy was shot dead in a bank heist, bank raid.
A guy walks out and she says he's dead.
I've just seen him.
You see that?
Yeah, you see.
And we all do?
We all do, but she, you know, for the sake of the television audience, they make them look like they've just got up out of the coffin.
And of course they don't look like that.
Theoretically, what they're trying to say is that they're trapped here until they can cross over because they haven't got past or they haven't got their justice or whatever.
You know, it gets a little bit.
Okay, now this is interesting.
I've had conversations about this an awful lot, and I'm not alone.
When you die, is it always the way that you are tied to this earth for a little while and you check in on the people who you've loved in your life, if you have loved anybody in your life and if they love you, you do whatever you have to do, you're hanging around here, then you go to the next phase and do something else.
Is that how it works?
It's not that hard and fast, but what tends to happen if people are knowing, you see, it kind of goes with the person.
If the person's, for instance, in a hospital bed knowing they're dying, and they pass away, more often than not they go straight forward, you know, with a troop of relatives and loved ones that have come to take them to where they're going to.
If somebody dies quickly and suddenly, they might try and hang around a bit to communicate to the people still left behind, to let them know they're okay.
Is that partly because they have to come to terms with the fact they've died themselves?
No, it's not so much to come with the terms of dance themselves because that's obvious and instant.
They didn't get a chance to say goodbye.
It's this whole thing of would you prefer to die in a bed where you've said goodbye to everybody or go quickly?
And the ones that go quickly sometimes hang around a little bit and miss the bus, if you will, to say, to try and communicate and tell the ones here not to worry.
The problem is the ones who are left here are in shock and can't communicate even if they could.
How can you fix that then?
Well, that's when you can help them because, you know, as a kid, I remember going to, oh, I shouldn't tell this story, but I will.
I used to be in the choir at church, right?
And I used to laugh at funerals and cry at choir weddings.
As a kid, I mean, it was hilarious with it.
As the choir boy.
And I remember this one funeral, and I'm going, why is everybody so upset?
She's sad here.
You know what I mean?
And even in a church, you're not able to tell them because, you know, some churches and some religions really don't like what I do.
So even as a kid, I was taught to learn, you know, keep your trap shut occasionally, Christian, for your own good.
But that's just the way it is.
It's just the way it is.
It's like I remember, oh, now this is a funny one.
A friend of mine and his girlfriend, and she's a lawyer.
I'm just telling you she's a lawyer because I want you to understand she's very black and white thinking.
And her girlfriend, I was introduced to them.
And this girl, I didn't know this at the time.
I just said to this girl, and I'm going back maybe about this time last year.
And I just, and this girl doesn't know what I do.
I just turned to her and said, the lawyer knows what I do, but not the government.
I said, oh, you're a bit pregnant by mouth.
Sure, worrying about it.
Get on with it.
That was it.
And I went, oh, God, I've opened the bloody mouth again.
And she looked at me, and the lawyer looked at me, and my friend Eddie walked away because he didn't know he was doing it because I'm leaving now.
And so she says, what do you mean?
I said, well, you're trying for babies, but you're just trying too hard.
And she went, what?
She said I'm having intra-vegit or you know, intro introvement.
Introven.
I said, Stop wasting your bloody money and let God get going with it, dearie.
I said, And there'll be twins.
Well, she looked at me, and the funny part of it, the next day she was going for another $10,000 shot.
And I said, I wouldn't if I was you.
Anyway, unbeknownst to me, we now come to April of this year.
Okay.
And again, I'm talking to Eddie's girlfriend, and she says, oh, by the way, my friend had twins.
And I go, that's interesting.
Now, I, and this is just, this isn't me again, but if it had not happened, I can guarantee you that girl would have called the lawyer and told the lawyer to tell me I was wrong.
But when it happens, they never have the courtesy often to say the same thing backwards.
And does it, I was going to say this, does it annoy you?
No.
I was going to say, does it piss you off?
On the internet, I can say that.
Does it piss you off that when this person acknowledged that you were right, I mean, you didn't hear it directly from the person to whom it happened.
Right.
But when this person told you that thing, they didn't say, oh yeah, she had twins.
You know, they didn't say, my God, you were right.
That's fantastic.
They just said, oh, matter of fact, oh, yeah, she had twins.
Yeah, as an off comment, even not aimed at me, really.
And I just think, it's more about human nature than anything else.
And I just find it funny.
It's like people always say, oh, and you've heard this.
I would never go see a psychic.
They're a devil, spawn, or whatever.
We're supposed to be evil.
And many, I have so many names.
It's fantastic.
And I go, until you've got to the doctor with the cancer and then you need help.
Then you might change your view.
And then, oh, they all get fearful of death.
It's like hell.
People often say to me, do you believe in hell?
And I go, yeah, we're in it.
We're actually coming through it.
Why do you think we say hello?
When we get here, it's the anagram of, oh, hell.
Because, you know, it's only the Christians that have hell.
It's a very funny thing.
To be Jewish, they don't have one.
What do they have?
I should know this.
They don't have one.
They literally don't believe in hell or anything like that.
And a lot of people don't because there isn't one.
Because, again, we are spirit beings learning the human journey.
It's not humans learning to be spiritual.
As I said at the beginning of the program, if that was the case, there wouldn't be any wars and we would get better with each other instead of getting worse.
Is it possible to influence your own future?
A lot of people these days are very much into positive thinking.
I mean, God, there's a whole industry.
Books and DVDs and all sorts of stuff out there.
I saw that and I got the biggest load of bullshit.
I mean, a lot of people like, I've got it myself, and everybody I know's got it too.
I mean, it's amazing stuff.
Yeah, but you don't tell somebody to wish for a car or a kid to wish for a break and new toys.
You wish for night positive stuff.
You know, it's just so much towards wishing for the material stuff.
Well, maybe all of these things, which are a bit of an industry now, they are geared up to consumer-driven markets where people wish for things.
Well, what are they going to wish for?
Well, mostly they'll wish for a new car or, you know, fantastic wedding opportunity worth thousands of dollars, whatever.
Right.
But you see, that's when we're back to spiritual beings trying to get through the human experience.
In reality, what we should be also doing on that journey is go, just wish for nice things for everybody.
So within that scope of saying that, the person gets the car, the person gets the wedding.
Instead of focusing it on it, because when that one thing doesn't happen, you lose your faith in the positive thinking.
What I tend to do now is I just look up and I say, okay, you know, here I am doing my best and the rest is up to you.
Absolutely.
It's like a surgeon once said to me here, a very famous surgeon.
They do the operation, they cut it open, they do the bits, they sew it back together and then he said to me, and that's when God takes over and the magic starts.
Even a surgeon.
Even a surgeon.
And the higher up the level they are, the more spiritual they actually become.
It's very funny.
Not religious, and I think this is one of the other things that's happened with the world.
People tie spirituality in with religion.
And there's been more wars and crap done in this umbrella of religion than anything else on the planet.
And we have to break that connection.
Because spirituality and faith is, you know, think of faith as a huge reservoir in England.
And every house in the country has a tap attached to that reservoir.
So each one of those lines to each one of those houses could be a different religion, but it's all coming from the same base of faith.
And until we get back to that kind of setup, then we can't progress as spiritual beings.
Now, listen, I haven't left you a lot of time for this, but I want to get into a couple of current things here.
And that is you're always entertaining when you do predictions about things.
I've never known you not be.
So, Gordon Brown, Prime Minister of the UK, having some problems at the moment.
He's gone in the space of 12 months from hero to zero.
What's going to happen to him?
Well, Gordon Brown, listen, he's almost got through 2008 and God knows how.
I think she's giving him a bit of a break, to be honest with you.
But 209, a completely different story.
And to be honest, I'll be very surprised if he's still PM by 210.
And that's the problem.
Let's leave it at exactly that.
Who's hot?
Who's hot?
Showbiz-wise, you're always very good on that.
Well, I tell you, this is sort of hot of the psychic presses.
Katie Holmes, a.k.a.
Mrs. Cruz, is spitting mad because Tom made her turn down the role in the new Batman movie, Dark Knight, which she'd played the same role before, kind of the wife or something.
And he wouldn't let her do it.
So as the movie's turned out to be so successful, it would have given her superstar status with her own talent, not just being, you know, Mrs. Cruise.
Hold on.
Hold on.
If you are taking this psychic view of the world, that you are always brought back to the place that you're going to anyway.
In other words, if you don't get the thing, if you don't get on the bus right now, you'll get the next bus.
So she may not get the awards and the plaudits right now for this, but it's coming.
Isn't it?
But that's the fine example of what I'm saying to you.
That he stood in and changed her Oscar winning from this one to another one.
Okay.
It's still going to happen.
Right.
But obviously, not for the Batman thing.
Tom Cruise, it appears, is that his latest movie, that Nazi thing that can't seem to get anything, is so bad it won't even go straight to DVD, but the depths of the movie vaults.
And this is what?
This is Psychic Showbiz Gossip.
Yeah, this is Psychic Showbiz Gossip.
Very good.
Is anybody else doing that?
No, just me.
I'll give you a Brit, one that's not really Brit.
Watch for Robert Downey Jr.'s new up-and-come movie, which nobody knows about.
It's about Sherlock Holmes.
He plays Sherlock Holmes.
It'll be a massive hit.
Well, Robert Downey Jr. is definitely on a roll, isn't he?
Yeah, he's coming back.
He's found himself again.
Yeah, he's found himself again.
So it's going to be okay.
All right, what's the website?
The website iscelebritypsychic.net.
And if people go there, they can see my daily predictions, which are truly psychic because they're up a month and two months in front.
And it's like a daily calendar.
You click on it.
And also you can email me from there and you can join the thing so we can tell you about what we're doing in the future.
Triple W dot.
Triple W, you know, www.thecelebritypsychic.net.
Thecelebritypsychic.net.
I'll send you in an email and then you can blink.
Okay, well, listen, thanks very much.
I'm going to put a link to that site on my site.
So that's coming very soon.
Graham, my great webmaster, will do that for me.
Christian, it's always fun to talk to you.
And you know what?
Every time, we must, I don't know how many times we've talked over the years, probably eight, maybe ten, I'm not sure.
But we always manage to get into different stuff, and we never have a problem filling the time.
In fact, we never have to fill the time.
The time just fills itself.
Well, there are a lot of people that would say he should shut his gobs or relating to me.
Well, they say that.
It's a fabulous compliment.
I tell you what, if it's a compliment for you, it's a double compliment for me because people have been saying that for a long time.
One of my first bosses once said to me, do you know what?
You've got verbal diarrhea.
Exactly.
And I don't think I've changed.
No, you just got worse.
You like me, you just get worse.
And you know something?
Do you know the great thing about getting older?
I know you're the same.
I don't care.
No, I don't have to apologise for anything.
I've been around for too long, and so have you.
I don't care.
You've just got to do what you think is right.
Christian, nice to talk to you again.
Talk again.
Be good.
Christian Dion is the man that you've heard from Los Angeles.
Thanks, Christian.
My name is Howard Hughes.
This is The Unexplained.
Thank you to Graham, my webmaster, to Martin for the theme.
The website for this show is triple w deunexplained.tv.
And if you want to email me, please do.
It's unexplainedh at yahoo.co.uk.
That's unexplainedh at yahoo.co.uk.
That's it.
I'm out of time.
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