Congressman Randy Fine incited rage online this week when he posted to X indicating that he’d choose dogs over Muslims. Gavin Newsom called him a “racist slob” and Megyn Kelly a pathetic, sweaty bigot. He joins Piers Morgan to discuss what he meant by the comments and whether he stands by then. Then, editor in chief of Zeteo News Mehdi Hasan joins Piers to give his reaction to Randy Fine’s interview before discussing the latest developments in the Epstein scandal, AOC’s Taiwan word salad, the midterms and why for him TDS means Trump DENIAL Syndrome! Piers Morgan Uncensored is proudly independent and supported by: Oxford Natural: To watch their full stories, scan the QR code on your screen or visit https://oxfordnatural.com/piers/ to get 70% off your first order when you use code PIERS. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Dogs vs Muslims Choice00:14:11
If I have to choose between having dogs, which are part of the fabric of the United States, and a group of people who want to come here and say, I can't have them, they can go home.
Sharia is coming, and I'm simply saying, we aren't going to put up with them.
Do you basically just hate Muslims?
This is the Republican Party of today, but it's a far-right, fascistic white supremacist party.
Should the U.S. actually commit U.S. troops to defend Taiwan?
You know, I think that we are moving in all of our positions to avoid for that question to even arise.
Donald Trump's sentences make AOC look like the most eloquent woman in history.
But one of the reasons Donald Trump got re-elected is that you guys have got literally Trump derangement syndrome.
You have TDS peers.
You have Trump denial syndrome.
Congressman Randy Fine has become a bete noir for those who believe that Israel has undue influence on American politics.
It's not only the fact that he supports Israel, which they don't like, but rather the way that he does it.
A post by the congressman on X this week stating that he choose dogs over Muslims drew a ferocious backlash from across the aisle.
Gavin Newsom called him a racist slob.
Megan Kelly, the conservative commentator, said he was a pathetic, sweaty bigot.
Well, here to justify what he did is Randy Fine, the Republican congressman in Florida.
Congressman, welcome back to Uncensored.
Thanks, Piers.
Thanks for having me.
It takes quite something to unite Gavin Newsom and Megan Kelly.
And what it was, was what you posted on X. You said, if they force us to choose, the choice between dogs and Muslims is not a difficult one.
To which I responded to you when I read that, you disgusting prick.
To which you responded, Piers, what is disgusting is a major New York City Muslim leader saying we must give up our dogs because NYC is coming to Islam.
We will not be shamed into being conquered like the Europeans.
I choose my dog.
And you said, I know my first appearance on your show didn't go well for you, but if you want to try again, I'm happy to administer another beating, which I'm very, very pleased to see that you've decided to do that again.
Me now having recovered from the first one.
The comment you were responding to was by someone who's been on my show a few times, Nerdine Kizwani.
She's the co-founder of the pro-Palestinian group within our lifetime.
She wrote this, finally, NYC is coming to Islam.
Dogs definitely have a place in society, just not as indoor pets.
Like we've said all along, they are unclean.
She later clarified, also clearly trying to weigh in on an issue unaware of the current NYC discourse where we're collectively jokingly hating on dogs, given all the visible dog shit and the unmelted snow laughing my ass off, followed by lassing my ass off at the Zionist frothing at the mouth of this, thinking they're doing something.
It's obviously a joke.
I don't care if you have a dog.
I do care if your dog is shitting everywhere and you're not cleaning it.
So she says she made a glib comment, which is intended as a joke.
I certainly read it that way.
But your response, the reason it enraged people so much, was just so brazenly bigoted.
You made no attempt to even hide it.
The choice between dogs and Muslims is not a difficult one.
Explain what.
What possessed you to do that?
Well, thanks, Piers.
First, I would sort of clarify what's actually occurred here.
That woman made that comment.
There was nothing funny.
There was nothing sarcastic about it.
It said, finally, Islam is coming to New York.
Dogs are unclean.
And we should not have dogs as indoor pets.
No reasonable interpretation could find that funny.
Several days later, after millions of people had seen it, she tried to backtrack by saying that it was a joke.
Now, my response was clearly in response to that.
And you left out the important part of it.
I said, if they force us to choose, I don't want to choose.
If Muslims want to be in the United States and they want to practice their religion and go to mosque, that's great.
But if they make us choose as this woman would like us to between owning a dog and having our neighbors say you can't have a dog, the choice is not a difficult one, I think, for me and the overwhelming majority of Americans.
I think that's simple.
I don't know how in this country that's exactly what I said.
And I don't know how in this country we reach the point where not only do we have to let people come here, but we then have to change how we live in order to make them happy.
I don't agree with that.
And I'm not ashamed of saying it.
But you see, if only you had phrased yourself exactly how you've just phrased yourself, it wouldn't have caused half the outrage it caused because you qualified by saying Muslims, Muslims who hate, well, no, you've just qualified it by saying something you didn't actually say.
You said Muslims who hate dogs, whatever.
You qualified it.
Actually, what you tweeted, and I'll repeat the whole thing in full, if they force us to choose, the choice between dogs and Muslims is not a difficult one.
As Alexandra Orcasio-Cortez said about what you said, this is genuinely one of the most disgusting statements I've ever seen issued by an American official.
It should not stop shocking us that the Republican Party openly embraces this.
Fines should be censored and stripped of committees.
To ignore this is to accept and normalize it.
Gavin Newsome, California governor, said resign now.
You read Gavin Newsome's comment already, Piers.
I think you've read it a few times now.
Look.
Okay.
Hang on, one second.
Let me just finish my point.
Roe Khana said, we must call this what it is, disgusting bigotry.
Fine must be censored.
It's about morality and decency, not politics.
But then crucially, as I said earlier, Megan Kelly, who is a prominent conservative commentator.
I understand.
Somebody who would never normally...
Hang on.
Hang on.
No, I'm going to read her whole quote.
Somebody who would never normally stand behind any of those three people said, what I figured out, you pathetic sweaty man, is when an idiot Muslim says no dogs in NYC, instead of attacking the person or the policy, you went full bigot.
Fuck off, she said.
Now, that's the truth.
It's the way you phrase what you posted gave no equivalent to.
Okay, so let me ask you.
You simply said dogs against Muslims.
I know it's your show, and I try to be respectful, but I'd like a chance to speak.
What you didn't do is in my post, I immediately posted the comment that I was responding to.
So the context was there, and it was obvious for anyone who wanted to read it.
The comments not being made out of the blue.
I'd also note, I'm not saying that Muslims or dogs are better than one or the other.
I'm saying if you give me the choice where I can only have one, if you're going to tell me I have to change how I live, I choose to tell you to go home.
And look, I don't, if people are upset about it, that's up to them.
But the point remains true.
I don't want to make that choice.
And look, these people can lose their minds.
AOC can go to Germany.
So let me ask you this.
You know, so there's a bunch of gibberish.
All right.
So let me ask you.
Okay, let me ask you a question.
What religion do you practice?
I am Jewish, and I would note this.
I do not expect to change how they live because I am part of the religious minority.
I don't.
Fine, fine.
Okay.
So would you say the same thing?
If somebody posted, if they force us to choose, the choice between dogs and Jews is not a difficult one.
How would you?
That's a great question.
Absolutely.
Yes.
But the difference here is that Jews are not asking people to give up their dogs.
Jews don't eat pork, but we don't tell people that they can't sell it.
One of the things that people are learning through all of this is this dislike of dogs is not unique.
This is a mainstream Islamic view.
And I'm not criticizing it.
Different religions like different animals.
Hindus worship cows.
Good for them.
Muslims don't like dogs.
That's okay.
I'm not criticizing that.
But they are the ones asking us to submit to their faith.
And that's not okay in the United States of America.
There are 57 countries where you can live under Sharia law.
It's my job to make sure we don't become number 58.
Where did anybody say that you had to do this?
Make that post?
I think you can make that argument.
Post doesn't say that.
Where did anyone say you had to do what?
I'm sorry.
Where have you got the entire Muslim population of 2 billion people saying that if the dogs all have to go?
Where have I read that?
Piers, Piers.
In Morocco, they're shooting 3 million dogs in order to get ready for the World Cup.
In Judea and Samaria, a mayor paid $5 a dog for everyone that was hunted down.
The videos are out there.
This is not, and again, I'm not criticizing it.
You're allowed to not like an animal.
If that's part of your faith, I'm not criticizing that part of it.
In your own country, there have been articles and discussions about Muslims not wanting dogs in certain parts of it.
They are allowed to not like dogs.
That's fine.
But what they're not allowed to do is to come to my country and tell me I can't have one.
And this woman is not unique in her views.
I've not seen anything.
Where did anybody speak to that?
Where did anybody say you couldn't have a dog?
Her tweet specifically says, Islam is coming to New York City.
Dogs are not clean.
They should not be held as indoor pets.
I mean, I think it's very clear what she is saying.
And again, that is not a unique sentiment from many who share that faith.
So I'm just saying, come here, live your life, live in privacy, hate dogs all you want.
That's okay.
Just don't tell me that I can't have one.
Don't tell my constituents that I can't have one.
And again, if I have to choose between having dogs, which are part of the fabric of the United States, 65% of households have one, and a group of people who want to come here and say, I can't have them, they can go home.
Moving to America means that you are going to assimilate into America.
Not that you're going to be clear.
Just to be clear, it was one Muslim who says she was joking, and it certainly read like a joke.
No, no, no.
And she didn't talk about two days later.
Wait a minute.
She didn't talk about you or your dog or anybody else's dog.
Right.
And you decide to respond by branding all two billion Muslims as people you would rather not have if it comes to a choice between dogs and them.
Yeah.
Well, what I said again is if I, if a group of people says, we want to live in your country, but you can't own a dog, which is again what she said.
Who has said that?
Many says that.
Who said you can't own a dog?
By the way, that's why 2.6 million people had seen the comment and lit her up before I said anything.
My view on this is not unique.
I don't have an outlandish view on this.
This is what she said.
And I'm simply saying I want people in my country who want to assimilate into my country that don't force it to change.
You should understand this.
In your home country, you're having to make accommodations for groups of people.
I saw the debate in parliament over whether cousin marriage should be allowed.
If people want to move to the West, they should agree to live by Western standards, not make us change to the ones from where they came.
If they want that, they can go home.
And I'm not going to apologize for that.
We never thought 25 years after 9-11, we'd be hearing the call to prayer in New York City, but we are now hearing that.
This is coming.
Sharia is coming.
And I'm simply saying we aren't going to put up with it.
But anything that's practiced by Jews in New York City, which has more Jewish people living in it than any place outside of Tel Aviv, that's all fine.
It's just Muslim chief.
And by the way, I am not aware of Jews asking non-Jews to change how they live.
When I was a kid and I went to Passover and I brought matzah because I couldn't eat bread, I didn't expect the school cafeteria to give up bread for the eight days.
If I don't want to work on Shabbat, I don't expect other people to do that.
As Jews, we understand what it is like to live as a minority in a Christian world and we're okay with it.
That is America.
Other people who come here with their own religions need to make the same choices.
They need to respect where they come from, not force that place to submit.
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Conflating Hate Speech00:09:37
Last week, you called for the denaturalization and deportation of New York's new Muslim mayor, Zaram Mamdani.
You labeled him Jihadi Mamdani.
Do you have any evidence that he is a jihadi Islamic extremist who wants to commit acts of terrorism?
Yeah, he campaigned with part of why this woman is so interesting.
Woman he campaigned with advises him is the woman that you're speaking in general, who is responsible for globalize the antifada, college, college, you know, radicalism, and all of these other things.
He won't say globalize the antifada is a bad thing.
He stood up and he said that America needs to model its immigration policy off of the way Islam does it, yet non-Muslims can't go to Mecca.
I mean, it's crazy the sort of things that we're seeing in New York.
And yeah, I actually, I actually think I've got a real issue with him as mayor.
I don't think he was honest to be to become a citizen.
I think he should be denaturalized and deported.
And I've said that for a long time.
Denaturalized and deported, because the Mamdani I've been listening to has been, since he was elected mayor, talking in a very inclusive manner about all people who want to live in New York.
I've not heard a single jihadi sentiment come out of his mouth.
In fact, quite the opposite.
He's gone out of his way, for example, to try and mend a lot of the appalling bridges that have gone up between Jews and Muslims because of what's happened in Gaza, for example.
That's all I've seen.
I'm not seeing a guy.
I'm not seeing every single person.
Well, what's he done since becoming mayor?
Every single person he appoints has the most horrific backgrounds, involvement with CARE, which has been designated a terrorist organization in Florida and Texas, saying the most horrific things.
I'm astounded that you would make that statement.
And again, saying that he is not going to work with ICE because he wants to follow the precepts of Islam, which say non-Muslims can't go to Mecca.
So I don't how you could even make that statement.
It's an absurd one.
Do you basically just hate Muslims?
Not at all.
Not in the least.
I like radical Muslims.
So there are Muslims who want to live in peace with us.
Not every Muslim wants to take our dog away.
Many come to America for freedom and opportunity.
And I think that is fantastic.
But I don't like those who want to come to our country and fundamentally change it.
And by the way, I don't care if they're Muslim.
I don't care if they're anything.
If you want to come to the United States, you should love this place, share its values, and want to be a part of it.
You should not demand that it's going to change to be you.
But I have seen the most horrific things.
October 7th radicalized me, watching on October 7th, Muslims in Tampa, Florida have a rally celebrating while people were being killed, listening to voicemails of parents, of children calling their parents in joy because they had shot and killed 10 people.
I saw what aspects of this culture are capable of.
That does not mean they are all like that.
They are not.
But the problem we have in the media is they categorize it as though it is this tiny, teeny, weeny fringe.
It's not.
It's meaningful.
It's also not 100%, but it's also not 0.1%.
And I think that we have to have these discussions.
The examples are too great.
The Muslim mayor in Dearborn who told a Christian preacher, you're no longer welcome in our city.
The call to prayer in Minneapolis at 3.30 in the morning.
I mean, these are not things that are simply okay in the United States.
And I think we should say, come here, become part of us.
Don't come here and demand that we change.
What percentage of Muslims do you think want to come and take your dogs away?
I don't know the answer to that, but I do know there's polling that shows, for example, and by the way, my colleague Brandon Gill did a spectacular job of walking through this data last week in a congressional hearing.
There is a very large percentage of Muslims who supported Hamas, American Muslims, not forget the ones over there.
There's a very large percentage of American Muslims who want to live under Sharia.
The fact that it's not 100% does not mean that it is not a problem.
And it's also not 1%.
These are meaningful percentages of people who are demanding we submit to how they want to live.
Again, if I have to choose between my dog and people who tell me I can't have it, the choice is very easy.
And by the way, I think that is the view of 98% of Americans.
If Democrats want to take the you're a bigot, if you're not okay with giving up your dog argument, then fine.
We'll campaign on that all day.
But I know that's not where the end of the people are.
I think the reason you managed to inspire such revulsion across the aisle was because you didn't qualify that it was about Muslims who want to take away people's dogs.
It absolutely was, Piers.
No, no.
You just said, you just, but hang on.
You just said Muslims in their entirety.
Two billion of them.
And as Nadine pointed out to you afterwards, Christy Noam bragged about shooting her own dog.
You may remember the story in her memoir.
She has a dog for cricket.
And I don't think it's okay.
Who was a par, well, hang on, who was untrainable and dangerous.
She led the dog to a gravel pit and shot it.
It wasn't a pleasant job, but it had to be done.
Should she be deported?
I think you're conflating two things.
I don't think shooting a dog is an older.
She shot a dog.
But Christy Noam is not telling me I have to shoot my dog.
That's the difference.
It's not that Christy Noam doesn't like a dog.
It's not that Nerdine and so many others don't like dogs.
It's that they are telling me Islam is coming to New York City.
You're not going to have a dog.
And I don't know if you're going to be able to do it.
All right.
So.
All right.
Just to be clear, if Christy Noam was coming to New York City, you wouldn't be worried about her shooting everybody's dog.
You don't think you should get in first?
Not in the least.
No.
And do I think she should have shot her dog?
Of course I don't.
But she's not saying I demand everyone else shoot their dogs.
That's what's happening.
You know the difference?
No, the difference.
That's not the difference.
The difference is if Christy Noam was a Muslim, you'd want to deport it.
Randy Fine, thank you very much indeed for joining me.
I appreciate it.
Thank you.
Well, the botch release of the Epstein files has tested the patience of many of Trump's most law supporters.
For his fiercest critics, it's been a field day.
Mehdi Hassan, editor-in-chief of Zatayo News, has broken world records for tweets per minute over the past few weeks on X.
And he joins me now.
Meddy, welcome back to Uncensored.
Before we get to your world record burst on X, and I can understand why, by the way, just your response to Congressman Randy Fine, who basically thinks that if it comes to a choice between dogs and Muslims, he'll choose dogs.
You've heard his explanation.
What did you make of it?
I mean, it's a nonsense explanation, which, as you pointed out, he would never accept for any other minority group, including his own, including for Jewish people in the US.
I'm glad you pushed him on his horrific bigotry.
Although I would say that one thing that was missing from that interview was the context, right?
Anyone watching Randy Fine for the first time might think it was just this one tweet that we're debating.
This man has a long history of bigotry, Piers, as you know.
A day before he tweeted about picking dogs over Muslims, he tweeted Palestinian is a synonym for evil.
All Palestinians are evil, according to him.
In the past, he's called for the new king of Gaza.
He said starve away when people have talked about Palestinian children starving.
He cheered and celebrated on Twitter when someone sent him a picture of a dead Palestinian baby.
He said, thank you very much.
The man is vile.
He's racist.
His rhetoric is genocidal.
And he lied to you, Piers, when he said, I'm just against radical Muslims.
He's, again, on record.
Go check his Twitter.
He says, mainstream Islam is pure evil.
That means the Islam practiced by all 2 billion people around the world is evil.
This is what he says.
So this is the Republican Party of today, Piers.
I've been trying to tell you about it for the last two years on your show.
It's a far-right, fascistic white supremacist party.
If Randy Fine said that about any other group, we would be saying that is Nazi rhetoric from the 1930s and 40s.
Well, I wouldn't judge the whole Republican Party by what Randy Fine says.
I do think he's an outlier.
Well, why haven't they said that?
Why haven't they called him out?
They're complicit.
But Piers, they're complicit.
Well, they should.
I agree, they should.
Silence is complicity.
But when Meghan Kelly never done anything to Randy Fine.
But when Megan Kelly lined up to condemn him, that was a good thing, right?
100%.
And she's a podcaster, though.
The actual elected Republican Party and the president in the White House, your pal, won't say anything about this.
And the problem is because they've all said similar Islamophobic things.
It's not just Randy Fine.
He mentioned his friend Brandon Gill, who also says ridiculously anti-Islamophobic things, calls for me to be deported, Mamdani to be deported.
You have people like Andy Ogles who said horrific things about Islam and Muslims.
So the rot is across the entire party, unfortunately.
This party now has embraced Islamophobia and racism of all kinds, anti-Semitism, anti-black racism.
Watergate Style Scandal00:06:30
We saw with the recent Trump post.
It's a problem for the party as a whole.
Fine is just the most egregious, repulsive avatar of it.
Let's turn to the Epstein files, because it seems to me, this is, as I've said a few times recently, this is the biggest political and royal scandal of my lifetime and seems to be getting worse, not better, as it goes on.
It reminds me a bit of Watergate with bells on.
Watergate began as a very slow burner, took a couple of years to really explode.
And you're seeing the same thing with the Epstein files.
And you're seeing a lot of people hoisted by their own petard, by their own lies, with all the documentary evidence coming out showing how they lied.
Have you ever seen anything quite like this?
And what do you feel about Attorney General Pam Bondi saying, that's it.
You've had all the files, even though we know there are many redactions in the ones that have been put out, some of them totally baffling.
And we also know there apparently are 3 million more files that they have no intention of releasing.
Yes, without a shadow of a doubt, the biggest political scandal of my lifetime, I'm 46 years old.
You mentioned Watergate.
I mean, Watergate in the US, the Profumo affair in the UK.
These look like walk-in-the-parks compared to what we're seeing recently and the number of powerful people globally have been caught up in this.
A United Nations panel of experts this week, Piers, said this could amount to a crime against humanity.
Just what we've learned from the redacted files.
They talk about it being a global criminal enterprise that is systemically engaged in the trafficking of young girls and women.
And yet you have Kash Patel, the director of the FBI, going in front of Congress last year, Piers, and saying, there's no evidence Epstein trafficked anyone.
That's what he said under oath in front of the Senate.
You have Pam Bondi, as you say, saying that's it, no more.
Her deputy saying nothing else to be seen.
We know that Donald Trump's name, thanks to Jamie Raskin, Congressman, who went and looked in the files unredacted.
He says he saw a million references in his searches to Donald Trump.
According to the New York Times, in the redacted files, we have 38,000 references to Donald Trump, his wife, Mar-a-Lago.
So that's 96% of the mentions of Trump are missing from what you and I can see.
That's a huge scandal.
Richard Nixon was organizing a burglary at the Democratic National Committee headquarters.
Donald Trump is accused in these files.
I want to be clear, he's a very litigious man.
There's no evidence of criminality on Donald Trump's part.
But there are accusations from people the FBI interviewed in the files, claiming all sorts of things about Donald Trump having allegedly done sex acts with children, assaulted children, threatened children.
We have no idea if they're true or not.
I have no evidence to say they're true.
But shouldn't they?
Well, we do.
No, well, hang on.
Hang on.
Hang on.
This is why you have to be careful.
Well, hang on.
This is where you have to be careful because we do, because in the more extreme cases like that, they've been investigated and they've been ruled out as fantasy staff or people trying to be.
Some yes, I agree with you.
Well, no, everything in relation to Trump that involved alleged criminality has been ruled out.
And the reason I'm comfortable in saying that is I interviewed David Boyce yesterday, who was Virginia Guphrase lawyer, one of the top criminal lawyers in modern American history.
He's looked at everything and he says there's nothing criminal against Trump.
And I do think it's important to say that.
I don't think his motivation, Trump, in trying to shut this down, is about himself.
I think it's actually about a lot of people he knows.
Well, I agree with that.
And he told Marjorie Taylor Greene, according to MTG, that you're going to hurt my friends, which in itself is a massive scandal.
I think you would agree, if he is covering up for rich and powerful friends.
We know how many Trump people are in the files in very awkward positions, lying about their relationships from Elon Musk to Howard Lutnick, Mehmet Oz, multiple.
That's why Thomas Massey is now calling this the Epstein administration.
But just on Trump, I just want to mention a couple of things.
I just brought this along just to remind myself.
Donald Trump traveled on Epstein's private jet many more times than has previously been reported or that we were aware.
That's an email from one of his own DOJ lawyers in 2020.
Trump lied, Piers, when he said he never went on the plane.
He went on the plane eight times.
We know, for example, that Epstein wrote in 2011, Donald Trump spent hours at my house with a victim.
He referred to Trump being at his house as the dog that hasn't barked.
He said in 2019, Trump knew about the girls.
Now, he could be lying, Epstein.
He's a horrible convicted sex offender.
But the point is, we've not had full investigations.
The media has barely touched this, Piers.
There's been a lot of coverage of Prince Andrew and Thiel and Elon Musk and Reid Hoffman and all sorts of people.
Katie Couric, there hasn't actually been that much coverage of Donald Trump's own relationship with Epstein as much as there should have been.
If this was any other president or politician, this would be a huge scandal.
And I agree with you on the kind of, we haven't got evidence of criminality, but I just want to show, this is in the Epstein files, right?
This is page 21.
This is a 21-page FBI PowerPoint presentation.
This is the page they have from last summer called Prominent Names.
Donald Trump's at the top with two allegations in there.
Now, I'm not saying those are proven allegations, but the idea that we as a media, that the American public's not even familiar with those allegations, I think we need to be talking much more about what a huge scandal this is and how many lies have been told by the people in power, not just Donald Trump.
And I know Bill Clinton is going to have his day to talk about what were his relationships with Epstein as well.
Piers, I'll say this, one last point.
I no longer can just laugh at people who come up with conspiracy theories anymore.
I can't.
I used to be very dismissive of conspiracy theories.
No, I agree.
When I say that, we have seen the lies and the cover-up.
Do you know what?
I said the other day, I would literally now be prepared to believe any conspiracy theory relating to the Epstein scandal because so much of it is actually coming true that who the hell knows, right?
I mean, I just think the idea is that you're quick to defend your pal Donald Trump, who was close to him.
No, no, I'm only quick to defend him about one part of this, which is there's a lot of stuff in those files that is clearly fantastical, malicious, and was investigated.
And it's not a problem.
But there's a lot of stuff with that because there's no extent of it.
Well, it's a perfectly valid point.
I agree.
But there hasn't been a full investigation.
But there hasn't been a full investigation.
I agree with you.
I would agree with that, Piers.
And I'm with the Ashpatell and Pan Bondi shutting it down.
Why is it Derek to the FBI and the Attorney General shutting it down?
Meddy, you're preaching to the choir.
I've been saying the same thing.
I love it when we agree.
Full transportation.
I love it when we agree, Piers.
I always feel a bit disconcerted when we agree.
Let's talk about something else.
Defending Trump's Record00:14:43
It's interesting because let's assume a scenario here which plays out.
I said on my show on Monday, we were talking about the polling the Trump and the midterms coming up pretty soon now, right?
We're nearly in March.
You've got midterms in November.
It is highly likely, the way things are looking, that the Republicans will get a big beating in the midterms unless something extraordinary happens, which it might.
But if they do and they lose control of the House, then any president in that position pretty much becomes a lame duck president.
And if that happens, it's a free-for-all for what happens next, both amongst his own party and, of course, the Democrats.
The Democrats don't really have yet, to me, anyone clearly coming through in the way that Bill Clinton did or Barack Obama did, which is a massive problem for the party.
One of their leading lights is Alexandria Orcasio-Cortez.
And I watched this clip of her.
She went down to the Munich conference, I think, to sort of show her her global, you know, aspirations and how smart she was and so on.
And ended up getting pretty well ridiculed for a few things.
But one of which was her explanation when she was asked by a friend of mine, actually, would and should the U.S. commit troops to defend Taiwan if China were to move?
And she said this.
Would and should the U.S. actually commit U.S. troops to defend Taiwan if China were to move?
You know, I think that this is such a, you know, I think that this is a very long-standing policy of the United States.
And I think what we are hoping for is that we want to make sure that we never get to that point.
And we want to make sure that we are moving in all of our economic research and our global positions to avoid any such confrontation and for that question to even arise.
Now, if Donald Trump had come out with that, you'd have gone, what the fuck is he talking about?
That is a load of gibberish word salad nonsense.
So in the cause of intellectual honesty, Media-san, would you say that what we just heard was a load of gibberish word-salad nonsense?
No, I think what we heard was not her finest hour in terms of articulating an answer on a very complicated subject.
I was awkward watching that.
It's obviously not great to um and ah for 20 seconds.
I wrote a book about public speaking.
You know that I've addressed these issues and people who do public speaking.
It wasn't a great moment for her.
But the idea that that summed up her presence at Munich is actually what I would question the premise of your entire discussion.
You just played a clip from an account.
I noticed where you played it from.
It's a well-known right-wing bagger Twitter account.
The right are very good peers, aided and abetted sometimes by your good self in pushing narratives about democratic politicians to brand themselves.
Why does it matter where it came from?
In 2000, they did it to.
It does, because, for example, she gave fantastic answers on inequality, on Gaza, on authoritarianism.
She spoke to a packed crowd in Berlin the next day.
She met with the SPD.
She met with the Far Left.
No one mentions any of that.
Instead, everyone in the US media is talking about this because the right wants you to talk about this.
That's my first point, that this is a very manufactured narrative.
And number two, it's not at all equivalent to Trump, Piers.
Trump could never say even half of what she said about Taiwan.
Her answer, actually, at the end, which is we shouldn't get to that point, is actually the right answer.
When Trump, I checked, because I knew you were going to ask me about this.
I checked before I came on air.
Trump was asked about Taiwan a few months ago, and he couldn't answer the question.
He said, it's a secret.
I can't tell you what my position is.
Well, that's much better.
In fact, this week, Piers, forget rhetoric.
Do you know what Trump said about Taiwan?
He told reporters on Monday that he's checking with the Chinese president before he sells arms to Taiwan.
That goes against a 42-year long-standing U.S. policy on Taiwan that Ronald Reagan set up, not me, Ronald Reagan set up.
So you can go on about AOC's 20-second umming and aim, which wasn't great for AOC, I admit.
Or we could talk about the fact that Donald Trump has a very bad policy on Taiwan that goes against U.S. traditional national security policy.
And we could talk about that.
Donald Trump sentences make AOC look like the most eloquent woman in history.
What are you talking about?
Have you heard Donald Trump rant about shark attacks?
About the size of Arnold Palmer's penis, about toilet flushing?
AOC's never said anything like that.
Donald Trump, hold on, I'm finished.
Donald Trump went to Davos, Piers.
Did you play the clip in the interests of fairness and intellectual honesty, to quote you, did you play the clip of Donald Trump in Davos calling Greenland Iceland again and again and again?
He went to Davos and embarrassed himself, calling it Iceland.
And by the way, worse than calling it Iceland, he wants to invade Greenland.
No Democrat has ever suggested anything as mad as going to war with Denmark as Donald Trump.
So please don't come here and talk about gibberish and intellectual honesty.
Your pal is the most deranged person to ever get close to any top office anywhere in the West.
Do you know what?
I haven't heard such a strident piece of apology since Comical Ali in the Iraq War when he was trying to explain why the American people.
Everything I said was true and you can't dispute a word of it.
Did you play the Americans and not become a public?
Did you play on this show?
On this show, let me answer.
Let me answer saying Greenland is Iceland.
Medi, yes or no?
Meddy, yes, multiple times.
And more than that, I interviewed.
I was the Prime Minister.
Wait a minute.
Yes, and more than that, I interviewed the Prime Minister of Greenland as well.
Did you?
So?
So?
What's that got to do with you?
What's the matter with you?
You have run cover for Donald Trump.
Piers, do you agree?
Do you agree that Donald Trump is mad, nuts, deranged, and mentally unfit for office?
Do you agree with that?
Do you agree with me?
Why did you do this?
Why don't you just say that?
Do you agree he's mad?
Why do you say Meddy?
It's a simple question, Piers.
People are watching.
Do you agree Donald Trump is mad?
Medi.
Deranged.
It's not your show.
Unfit for office.
Because those are your shirts.
Those are your words.
When I come on your show.
When I come on your show.
When I come on your words.
You call Donald Meddy deranged.
Meddy.
Mad.
Time out.
I know.
And occasionally I think he is those things.
And as you know, I've said it when I think he is.
And when I think he deserves praise, I give him praise.
My point is, though, that you're blinking about AOC.
No.
I think sometimes he's perfectly normal and lucid.
Sometimes he does nutty things.
Most of the time.
Come on, Piers.
This is a man who rants about shark attacks, who talked about Arnold Palmer's penis at a rally, who did an impression of someone doing oral sex on a microphone at a rally.
There's been no president like this.
I hate George W. Bush, but I would put George Bush 100 times above Donald Trump in terms of intellectual and mental fitness for office.
You cannot question any Democrat's intellectual fitness for office when you have supported this man, the most deranged man, your words, deranged mad, nuts, man in office.
Just to be clear.
This is a man who couldn't find Taiwan on a map.
Maybe life defense depended on it.
Meddy, Meddy, here's the problem.
I'm afraid, listen, you know I like you, I respect you very much.
You've built an amazing business with Zatayo.
Congratulations.
But one of the reasons Donald Trump got re-elected is that you guys have got literally Trump derangement syndrome.
It plays into his hands.
I prefer to be more even-handed with him.
I prefer to praise him when he deserves it, and I prefer to whack him when he doesn't.
When you're so blindly enraged by everything, including silly jokes he says, you're so deranged about him.
Actually, in the end, you managed to achieve the unthinkable.
You managed to help get Trump re-elected.
Hold on, hold on.
He got re-elected with a bigger majority.
So, do I get to speak?
So, hold on.
Let's just deal with a couple of things.
The reason he got re-elected, I would argue, is the media gave him a pass.
People like you, I came on your show on the eve of his election, and you were telling me all sorts of things.
Oh, don't call him a Nazi.
Don't call him a fascist.
Meanwhile, we have masked thugs.
He's not a Nazi citizens off the street.
He's not a Nazi.
He's in cold blood.
He's not a Nazi.
I was right about his fascism.
You were wrong about his fascism.
I was right that he would be in 2021.
You were wrong about that.
His people are shooting.
He didn't stay in office in 2021.
He didn't stay in office.
And you said he was not afraid of the 2020.
He's not a Nazi.
And he's not a fascist.
Oh, my God.
Piers, you, in January 2021, accused him of trying to stay in office.
You said he sent an armed mob to the Capitol.
You said he should be removed from office, never be president again.
You change your tune once he got back to the presidency.
I get that.
That's fine.
I've been right about everything I've said about Trump.
And as for being Trump derangement syndrome, it's the very opposite.
Even I didn't think he'd be trying to start a war with Denmark.
Even I didn't think he'd be shooting Americans in the street 14 months into his presidency.
Even I didn't think he'd be this corrupt on this level so openly.
So in fact, he's been much worse than those of us who allegedly have TDSs.
You have TDS, Piers.
You have Trump denial syndrome.
When I say to you, is Trump racist?
You say no, he's not racist.
Even though he calls Somalis low IQ, Piers, do you agree that Somali people are low IQ?
Is that not the most racist thing?
Just to explain.
Just to explain.
Meddy.
Just to explain.
Because you're dodging me.
Do you think Somalis are low IQ?
This is not your show.
Medi.
Do you think Somalis are low IQ?
You don't get to interview me for half an hour.
It's not your show.
When I come on your show, I haven't been silent about any of these things.
You should watch my show more.
Trump called criticizing low IQ.
Is that not a Nazi thing to say?
Okay, I'm not asking a question.
It's not a Nazi thing to say, no.
I think.
I think it is.
It is white supremacist rhetoric.
It's not called black and low IQ.
The problem is amazing that you're definitely amazing.
Let's not talk at the same time.
No, here's what I'm defending.
When people like you on left keep calling Trump a Nazi or comparing him to Adolf Hitler, that is exactly what I'm talking about about Trump derangement syndrome.
It is so ridiculous, so offensive, so inaccurate.
Adolf Hitler and the Nazis murdered 12 million people, including 6 million Jews in a Holocaust.
There is zero comparison to be made.
Then why are they pumping out Nazi propaganda from the DHS Twitter account?
Why are they using literal Nazi themes and quoting Nazi books?
Do you know that they're doing that?
Have you checked that out?
Go check it out.
I wrote about it.
Why are they trying to a man who says, why is he, that's not the definition of a Nazi.
That means Nick Griffin's not a Nazi because he didn't murder.
You know perfectly well, you don't have to be Hitler to have Nazi views.
These are Nazi views.
When you put someone in front of Congress right now, they're trying to confirm someone to the State Department, peers, who says that we need to address the Jewish question, that Jews are victims, that white people are being erased.
Are those not Nazi views?
Are those not far-right views?
Are those not views you want to condemn?
This is your friend.
You say, Donald Trump is my friend.
I'm asking you, Donald Trump, your friend, friends with Epstein.
Medi.
Donald Trump, your friend, says Somalis are low IQ.
I'd like you to condemn that.
Meddy.
Medi, I don't have to condemn it because I did condemn it when he said it.
My team have just sent me the monologue the day after he said it about the Somalis.
Do you want to hear what I said the next day?
Sure.
Did you call him a racist?
But just as it's absurd and abhorrent to argue that every British Muslim man is a rapist, it's clearly wrong to say that every one of the 116,000 Somalis in the US are thieves or low IQ.
That's why many are unhappy with some of the rhetoric pouring from the White House.
I did criticize it.
I don't hear the word racist there, Piers.
Do you not think it's racist to call all Bazaar I...
No, no, but you didn't call it racist.
Of course you criticized it.
Did you call it racist?
You will refuse to use the R word, I noticed.
I think absurd and abhorrent says it all, Meddy.
You just didn't know I said it, did you?
No, I don't think it does.
I don't think it does.
I think if you call all Somalis garbage and low IQ, I think that is white supremacist.
I think that is racist.
If you post a picture of the Obamas as apes, I think that's racist.
Okay, you're entitled to think that.
Who do you think is going to be the Democrat nominee?
No, I met Meddy.
Who do you think is going to be a nomination?
No, I don't do predictions.
I don't do predictions anymore, Trump.
In 2016, in 2016.
I mean, I said there wouldn't be Brexit.
Who in the Democratic name?
I think that's what he's impressing you.
Who in the Democratic ranks is impressing me?
Yes.
So Gavin Newsom impresses me because he's been very good at attacking Trump.
I'm not impressed with all his policy positions, but I think he's been very strong in taking the fight to Donald Trump, which is what Democrats want from a leader.
Democrats are fed up of having a spineless party.
And I think the next nominee is not going to be about left or right.
It's going to be about who's a fighter and who's not a fighter.
I think Newsom has done very well.
I think AOC is insanely popular with the Democratic Party.
She's won over everyone across the Democratic political spectrum, center-left, far-left, everyone.
I think she will be formidable.
I think Roe Conner is a progressive voice who's done so much good work on the Epstein files, has won a lot of goodwill across the political spectrum.
I think there's going to be a lot of strong candidates.
The question is going to be, you know, who are they going to go up against?
Yeah, I think that's a really interesting question.
It won't be Donald Trump, I can tell you that.
It might be somebody else called Trump.
Well, we don't know that for sure.
He might fancy a run.
We don't know.
I mean, honestly, I'm not sure if Trump tries to stay on past 28.
Of course.
But my, you know, who I think is the most impressive operator of his whole team is actually Rubio.
Yeah, I mean, Rubio rebranded himself very well.
This is a man who once used to call Donald Trump a con man, mocked Donald Trump's penis.
Of course.
Now he's a loyalist going to Munich to push the MAGA or what I call the MEGA message.
Now, he went to Munich and said, let's make Empire great again.
Let's bring back Empire.
He was praising the empires of the past and saying the Europeans need to get on board with that.
He then went to Hungary and endorsed Victor Orban, a man who he used to criticize.
So Rubio's done a complete 180 like JD Vance.
We'll see both of them are kind of fake when it comes to their MAGA credentials.
It'll be interesting to see if it is Rubio versus Vance, who the MAGA base believes is more of a believer, because neither of them were believers until about two minutes ago.
The only reason I would like to see Donald Trump try and run again is purely to see your face.
No other reason.
I mean, my face would say, see, Piers, I was right again and you were wrong again.
Have you ever been wrong about anything, Meddy?
Yeah, I was wrong when I said Donald Trump wouldn't win in 2016 and he won.
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Always good having you on our censor.
Thank you very much.
Thanks, Piers.
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