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June 11, 2025 - Uncensored - Piers Morgan
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Media Ignoring Facts 00:04:59
The mainstream media, the legacy media, they're just ignoring the facts here.
I don't care how he feels.
I barely care how I feel.
It's not a matter of opinion.
We are a country of laws.
Are you comfortable with the sort of militarization at federal level?
When you've got people that are looting and attacking law enforcement officers, then what are you going to do?
Activister coming in and ginning this up.
I don't think that should be happening.
I mean, look, this isn't good for America.
I mean, what are we dummies?
Kick the criminals out.
Simple.
Politicians speaking out in their own political, trying to make this political for their own benefit.
The rest of us are suffering for it.
The law enforcement is suffering for it.
You want to play this game, Donald?
Why don't we cut off your federal funds?
That's $94 billion.
We'll see how you like to play that game.
We'll start talking turkey with our money.
Well, U.S. boots are on the ground, not in Kharkiv or Kabul, but in Los Angeles, California.
700 Marines have arrived in LA to join more than 2,000 members of the National Guard in response to anti-deportation protests that have lapsed into rioting and looting.
Many of the protests have been peaceful, but many have not.
The scenes of burning cars, blocked freeways, and looted stores, much of under the banner of the Mexican flag, play right into the hands of President Trump.
He tore into the state leadership in a speech at Fort Bragg to mark the Army's 250th anniversary.
Before going further, I want to say a few words about the situation in Los Angeles, California.
Have you heard of the place?
Where I've deployed thousands of National Guard troops and hundreds of Marines to protect federal law enforcement from the attacks of a vicious and violent mob.
And some of the radical left, they say, oh, that's not nice.
Well, if we didn't do it, there wouldn't be a Los Angeles.
It would be burning today, just like the houses were burning a number of months ago.
Well, the Californian governor, Gavin Newsom, who would quite like to be America's next president, is attempting to block the deployment of troops by court order.
The Trump administration said it will arrest anyone who blocks its immigration enforcement, including Newsom, if necessary, to which he gave this appropriately Hollywood response.
He's a tough guy.
Why doesn't he do that?
He knows where to find me.
But you know what?
Lay your hands off four-year-old girls that are trying to get educated.
Lay your hands off these poor people who are just trying to live their lives, man.
Trying to live their lives, paying their taxes.
Been here 10 years.
The fear, the horror.
The hell is this guy?
Come after me, arrest me.
Let's just get it over with.
Tough guy.
You know, I don't give a damn.
Tough guy.
I don't give a damn.
The Academy Award for Political Opportunism goes to, you can fill the blank yourself.
Well, the current LA riots are nothing like 1992 with the Rodney King riots.
They're nothing like BLM following the murder of George Floyd in 2020.
And they're nothing like the Capitol riots on January the 6th either.
This is a few square blocks of violent disorder in a city of 469 square miles.
The chaos began on Friday after the arrest of 40 suspected illegal immigrants in a city of 4 million people.
There will be cases of heartbreak and injustice wherever ICE tries to enforce mass deportations.
That much is clear.
But Trump was elected with a thumping mandate after promising to carry out mass deportations.
Almost half of the population of LA is Latino, and California has almost 2 million illegal immigrants.
So everybody in politics is getting a little bit of what they want from these ugly scenes.
The president is the hard man, cracking down on looters and keeping his promises.
The governor is the emotional support animal for the little guy, feathering his nest for 2028.
The big losers are the people boarding up their businesses and trying to get on with their lives.
Wait a moment, I spoke to my expert panel to debate all this.
But first, I'm joined by Phil McGraw, host of Dr. Phil Primetime on Merit TV, who's been in Los Angeles with ICE agents ahead of the immigration race.
Dr. Phil, great to have you back on Uncensored.
Just give me an overview, Phil, about what is going on in Los Angeles and where your biggest sympathies lie.
Pierce, it's good to talk to you again.
And once again, I think the mainstream media, the legacy media, they're just ignoring the facts here.
They're really wanting to inflame the situation.
They're not wanting to inform people about what's really going on.
And I'm really not sure what the objective is of the mob here.
I listened to a lot of the speakers on microphones last night, yesterday, really since this all started, and they're demanding the release of the people that were arrested.
Inflammatory Immigration Laws 00:15:01
Surely they can't expect that to happen.
I mean, what would happen if the federal government just said, hey, okay, all right, you guys are upset, so we're going to open the jail and turn all of these people that were arrested, lawfully arrested.
We're just going to turn them loose.
And among those they would be turning loose are drug traffickers, those that are accused of domestic violence, one with an indictment for second degree murder, a 55-year-old illegal alien from the Philippines convicted of burglary, sexual penetration with a foreign object, assault with intent to commit rape,
a Mexican national with a rap sheet that includes shooting up a house and a vehicle with people in them, willful cruelty to a child, driving under the influence, an illegal alien from Vietnam with a criminal history that includes conviction for second degree murder as well.
So I'm not sure what they're expecting to happen here.
Surrender?
To just say, hey, we give up, we surrender.
You guys don't like the laws that your elected officials passed, so we'll turn everybody loose.
This is a ridiculous position.
It seems to me looking from afar, I'm in the UK at the moment, that, and I've got a house in LA, as you know, and spend a lot of time there.
It just seems to me that Trump is doing exactly what he said he'd do.
He said, I'm going to do mass deportations of people in the country illegally.
And he was focusing in the campaign on criminals.
So people who committed crimes in the country illegally.
And I think most people, most Americans I've spoken to, have absolutely no problem with people who are in America illegally in the first place, who are then committing crimes and are caught committing crimes of those people being thrown out of the country.
There's unanimity about that.
It gets more complicated.
I mean, Gavin Newsom talked there about a four-year-old girl.
And that's one of the stories you get where you get people who, by association, perhaps to illegal people who commit crimes, they get thrown out too.
Or, you know, they're there illegally, but they haven't committed crimes while they've been in the United States.
And they've built, maybe, as Newsom said, a 10-year life and they've paid taxes and so on.
And then you have the DREAMers, obviously, who were born in the United States to illegal immigrants and so on.
It's complicated, this.
What is your view generally about who should stay and who should go?
Well, listen, it really, you know, I listened to Gavin Newsom speak about that and I have several thoughts about what he had to say.
First off, I don't care how he feels.
I barely care how I feel about this.
It's not a matter of opinion.
We are a country of laws and laws are not suggestions.
They're not guidelines.
They're not optional.
They're not Monday, Wednesday, Friday, one week, Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday, the next week.
These are laws.
And they were passed by Congress.
And the people in Congress were elected by those people in Los Angeles.
They have representatives in Congress that pass these laws.
And once those laws are passed, are they not to be enforced universally across the board?
They're not optional.
And the people they're attacking had nothing to do with it.
These ICE agents, do you think anybody would ask a single ICE agent, what's your opinion of the law?
They're hurling rocks at the heads of these ICE agents.
And so they're going after them.
They had nothing to do with that.
But again, Phil, what I would say to that, just to jump in, what I would say to that is I've watched those scenes and they're utterly horrific.
And the people doing that, they're trying to kill people, right?
So I would absolutely charge them with attempted murder.
You throw a rock at a passing car and smash the windows.
You're trying to kill that person in my estimation.
I don't think anyone's got any problem with people doing that.
If they're there illegally, then throw them out of the country.
But what about the people who are not criminals, whose only crime, and it is a crime because if you enter the country illegally, you have entered the country illegally.
You've broken the law.
But do you think it's enough if that is your only crime, i.e. you're there illegally to start with, if you built a life, you have a family, is that enough to be seized off the streets by ICE and deported, in your opinion?
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In my opinion, that's the law.
And listen, Thomas Sowell was speaking, someone that I admire greatly was speaking about this just a few days ago.
I listened to him talk about this and he said it very well.
He said, nobody questions the humanity of most of the people that have crossed the border, even illegally, that there are some good people there, some family people there.
The Hispanic population is by and large, their culture is very family oriented.
So no one is questioning the humanity of those people, even if they cross the border, but that doesn't make them immune from the law.
If you are here illegally, Tom Holman has said it very clearly.
There's an app that you can go to that says, look, self-deport.
Take yourself out of the country if you're here illegally.
If you register there, they give you time to get your affairs in order here.
They give you a plane ticket to fly you back to where you came from when you entered the country illegally.
Even give you a thousand dollars when you get on the ground, back where you came from, to help you get your feet under you there.
But if you stay here and you are arrested, they have to find you, arrest you, process you and send you out you face bars.
It could be five years, it can be 20 years, it can be forever to come back into this country if they have to find you, arrest you, process you and deport you.
So the whole reason of being so transparent about this process is to let people know if you're here illegally, you need to take measures to remove yourself so you can then file for a visa and come back in here legally.
So I I think if you're here illegally, you're here illegally now.
If you don't like that policy, i'm sorry.
If you don't like that law, then change it.
These people shouldn't be protesting on the highways in south Lay.
They should be going to the capital in Dc and protesting to the legislature to change the immigration laws.
But there are estimates that the number of illegal immigrants in the United States a country, of course, founded on immigration um that there could be as many as 30 50, maybe 80 million people in the country illegally.
No one's really quite sure, but it's, it's tens of millions.
Whichever figure you want to buy into um.
Would you be happy phil, given that a lot of those people have settled in the United States for many years, had kids maybe, in the United States, got a job, paid taxes, contributed to society uh, maybe doing a lot of, you know, menial work that that is very important to keeping America running um, would you be happy if literally all of them were deported?
As a matter of principle?
I think we would be in a serious crisis if everyone left this country, and I think we need to address that.
I think we need to address that in the legislature.
I mean clearly, this is a country of immigrants, some legal, some illegal and if we have dysfunctional immigration laws, then we need to call uh an immediate session of Congress, address this and find a way, uh to get visas for these people, work visas um, whatever kind of visas, uh.
Or get the immigration courts unstopped they're stopped up right now.
Get that blockage out of the way so you can actually process people.
But the reason they're stopped up for seven eight, nine more years is because all the people that have filed for asylum when they didn't have a good case for asylum, and when they get there and it's denied in the vast majority of cases uh, then they're given an order to leave and they don't, so they overstay, but they clog the courts up, so people that have legitimate reasons uh, don't ever get a chance to have their day in court.
I don't think our immigration laws are functional, but those are the laws right Now, Pierce, and what do you do?
How do you, these laws aren't optional.
They're not suggestions.
How do you decide that you're going to enforce it for this person, but not that person?
Well, I think that's the big question, isn't it?
I mean, that's why I think, funny enough, if Donald Trump, through his team, including Tom Homer, I think it's very impressive operator, actually, but if they had made it clear that the first raft of deportations were going to be exclusively restricted to people who were in the country illegally who committed who had committed crimes, I think they would have had universal support from everybody.
I think it's the fact that so many are being deported at such a rate that inevitably certain people are falling through the cracks here who have not committed any crimes who may have built a life for themselves in the U.S., living the American dream in many ways, right?
Albeit coming in illegally.
I think people feel more uncomfortable about people like that being deported than they would if they were actually people committing crimes.
Well, let me tell you what's happened here, because I've been fairly close to this, as you know.
And they had three primary objectives.
One was to close the border, and I think that's been effectively done.
Yes.
I mean, the illegal crime.
Amazingly successful.
And Trump isn't getting nearly enough credit for that.
And number two was the worst first.
Let's get the violent criminals out of here.
TDA, you know, Trendragua, let's get them out of here.
MS-13, let's get the gang members, those that are.
And typically they start out by victimizing their countrymen.
That's where they go first because they've got the bluff in on them.
And so they start victimizing their own countrymen.
And then third is find the missing children.
There are a minimum of 300,000 missing children.
Now, some of them have found their way to family and they're safe, but an unsettling number are being sex trafficked or they're into forced labor and they need to be found, helped, given services, medical, psychological, sociological, and reunited with their families.
So those are the three prime directives.
But here's what's happening.
In sanctuary cities where they refuse to cooperate with ICE, where one agent can go in and arrest one detainee that's in jail, they instead have to do a complete operation to arrest this person on the streets.
And when they go in, say, to an apartment where maybe there are eight or 10 people living, they're going to check who they're with.
And if those people are simply here illegally but haven't committed a crime, they're not going to say, oh, well, we'll overlook that.
You're here illegally.
By law, they have to detain them and take them in for deportation.
They're creating that which they fear the most.
They're forcing the agents into the community to deal with people that maybe aren't violent criminals.
So they're creating that which they fear the most.
And look, the mainstream media is not reporting the facts.
What happened in LA and what happens in most of these situations are interagency situations.
In LA, this was a multi-agency situation.
There was a search warrant issued by a federal judge against a company that is alleged to have undervalued imports, some counterfeit, by $80 million.
They had underpaid their tariffs by an estimated $17 million.
Half of their workforce were illegal immigrants.
And so when they go in to serve this search warrant on this alleged criminal enterprise, these illegal aliens get caught up.
These illegal immigrants get caught up in that sweep of this criminal enterprise.
So they get arrested.
Nobody's reporting the fact that this was an interagency operation.
And now, not every agency was involved, but U.S. Marshals were there.
FBI was there.
ATF was there.
ICE was there.
There were all these different agencies there, and they weren't all involved with this particular search warrant, but a federal judge issued this search warrant after reviewing evidence that said there's probable cause.
Why isn't anybody talking about that?
Do you feel comfortable as it escalated about the National Guard coming in and Marines being put on standby?
Are you comfortable with the sort of militarization of the way this has been dealt with at federal level?
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The federals aren't out there to run an operation over peaceful protest.
They're out there because Gavin Newsom and Karen Bass have not done their job and they aren't controlling the streets.
When you've got people that are looting and attacking law enforcement officers and you've got the governor and the mayor of Los Angeles who are not doing what they swore to do, which was uphold the Constitution and enforce the laws of the land, then what are you going to do?
Now they do need somebody to come in and bolster efforts to get this under control.
I don't think they should allow people to turn this into 1992.
I don't think they should allow this city has had enough hell.
You have a home there.
I have a home there.
We should not let these friends groups, and I don't think these are all spontaneous.
I do think activists are coming in and ginning this up.
I don't think that should be happening.
I mean, look, this isn't good for America.
I mean, what are we dummies?
They're hoping that they will burn this city to the ground.
They're hoping they will sow discord.
This isn't pro-America.
We've got people that are pushing this that hope that this deteriorates the city and tears it down.
That's not pro-America.
We need to wake up and smell the coffee here.
Yeah.
Finally, Phil, I can't let you go without you imagining for a moment on your globally renowned show that you had two guests, one Donald Trump, one Elon Musk.
Two extremely successful people, very rich people who had a very intense and very close, mutually beneficial relationship, and then a spectacular falling out.
And this morning we wake up and Elon Musk has said he regrets some of the things he tweeted or posted on his own platform, X about Donald Trump last week, saying that his name is in the Epstein files.
That's why they're not being released, saying he should be impeached and so on.
I'm assuming those are the ones he wishes he hadn't now sent.
What do you make of this?
And in your experience of human beings, how likely is it?
And you know Donald Trump well, you know Elon Musk, I think.
How likely is it they'll be able to patch things up?
Well, I think they will patch things.
I think they are patching things up right now.
But, you know, how often have people said, seemed like a good idea at the time?
Man, I've said there should be, there should be some kind of, I've often said there should be a breathalyzer on our computers.
And I think there should be at least a wait period.
I don't think either one of them were intoxicated when they did this, but impulse control gets the best of us.
And I tell you, when I write something out, when I do a post on any of the social media, it's good to sleep on it and look at it the next morning.
It seems like a real good idea at 2.30 in the morning when you're all pissed off.
And then the next morning you go, oh, I'm glad I didn't hit send on that button.
Well, apparently Elon Musk sent his me a culpa at three o'clock in the morning.
So I don't think he's getting much sleep at the moment.
No, probably not.
But listen, these are two really intelligent individuals.
I don't think everybody agrees with everything they do, but I do think they want good things for this country.
And I certainly think they've started to mend things.
Are they ever going to get back into what people call the bromance?
Look, when this thing started, you can't have two bulls in the ring.
You can't have two number ones, two alphas at the same time.
That's destined.
I mean, Lassie can figure out this.
This is not going to work.
This is not going to work for very long.
So I think it was kind of inevitable and also inevitable, I think, that when Elon calmed down, he realized you're not going to win a battle like this with the president of the United States.
You might be the most successful businessman on planet Earth, but he remains the most powerful man in the world, Donald Trump.
And that will always prevail, I think, in a spat like this.
I think so.
And I hope they work it out and get along.
I would certainly counsel both of them to say, hey, take a break.
Forgiveness, there's a lot of power in forgiveness.
And I hope both of them will listen to that and find a way back to working together because I think they've done some good things together.
Yeah.
Dr. Phil, great to have you back on On Sense, as always, speaking so much sense.
Much appreciative.
All right.
Take care, Pierce.
You're doing a great job, as usual.
Let's debate this now with my expert panel.
I'm joined by the businessman, Stephen Klubeck, who's running to replace Gavin Newsom as a Democratic governor of California next year.
The Riverside County Sheriff Chad Bianco, who's also going to run for governor as a Republican, and political commentator Kaizen Athedu, who's been at the protests this week.
All right, let's start with you, Kaizen.
I just spoke to Dr. Phil, who painted a pretty detailed picture of what is going on there.
His view is that the protesters, the rioters, are the ones who are actually causing violent damage and so on, that they are reacting ridiculously to what has actually happened here.
What is your view from the ground?
So, first of all, violence is always ridiculous.
It's not a way that we get things done in civil society.
So it doesn't really matter what the circumstances are in.
These people shouldn't be getting violated.
That said, I think what's happening is people are conflating two different groups of people.
There are people who are peacefully protesting, and I got to check that out myself in person on Sunday at a pre-planned organized protest at City Hall.
And then there are people who are rioting, who are vandalizing things, who are torching cars, who are throwing bricks at police officers.
There's a lot of confusion about what percentage of the audience is the former versus the latter.
But to be clear, the latter should be dealt with with a hard line because that's not how we do things in this country.
And that would be certainly my view.
Stephen Klube, you want to be Democratic governor one day here.
How do you think Gavin Newson's been handling this?
Well, look, I think first off, the president and Tom messed up.
They didn't create a perimeter.
I mean, just as they did when they took down Diddy, they created a perimeter.
They used DHS, HSI.
I've worked with State Department, HSI, CBP, DHS.
They always create a perimeter in a safe environment.
You got to protect these officers and the civilians around us.
By the way, Sheriff, you've been at my house.
Why are you wearing your uniform and running for sheriff?
That's against California law and election law.
I'm just curious why you're here.
You were with civilian clothes with me last time.
Sheriff, you want to respond?
Yeah, that's hilarious that you're going with that argument, but whatever.
Whatever.
I'm the sheriff of Riverside County.
Thanks for bringing that up.
You said you're running for governor.
So are you here running for governor?
Are you here as a sheriff?
What do you hear us today?
It's going to be both.
And California is realizing, based on what we're seeing on TV, that we're absolutely sick of millionaires and billionaires and politicians creating instances where we're not the ones that I follow the law.
Obviously, you don't.
Piers, I'm not sure what we were brought here for, but we've already dealt with this ridiculous allegation of unlawfulness with a sheriff uniform.
But this is absolutely silly if we're talking about this.
Well, to be honest with you, I didn't actually know that this was going to be raised or is an issue.
But just to be clear, Stephen Klube, what is it that you're alleging about Sheriff Bianco?
Well, in California, we've got California Civil Code 3206, and you cannot, you know, use your seal uniform and imply an endorsement if you're running for federal office.
I mean, the sheriff was with me in my home and he was in civilian clothes.
And that's good if you wanted to run for office, but you can't use the people's money and your seal and endorsement and our money.
You could be here one way or the other, Sheriff.
You want to be here as a sheriff?
Great.
That's cool.
But don't say you're running for governor if you're going to be here as a sheriff.
So, Sheriff, what is your response to that charge then?
You shouldn't be in uniform if you're talking as a potential Republican candidate for governor.
It's a talking point for someone that has absolutely no legitimate argument to raise themselves up, that they have to bring someone else down.
The Democrats already tried this several months ago when they brought this up.
And the state government and federal government have already said that it's a ridiculous argument.
And the fact that we can't even come on here and talk about what's going on because someone else is trying to attack one of their opponents that is obviously the frontrunner in the California election is you want to represent yourself as a sheriff of Riverside County.
That's great.
Don't say you're running for governor at the same time.
I'm the sheriff of Riverside County, who will be California's next governor.
Okay, look, let's move on from this.
People can make their own minds up about whether they think it's appropriate or not.
Sheriff Bianco, what is your view of what has been happening in Los Angeles?
And in particular, the way that it's been handled at state level?
Well, it's a complete failure at the state level, and it's been handled.
I wish it would be a mandatory listening, your previous segment with Dr. Phil, because that was awesome.
And even the very first statement here from your other guest, that was a great statement.
These are two conflated and two separate things going on that are being combined by political party.
And the reality is law enforcement is suffering for it.
Our businesses are suffering for it.
Our residents are suffering for it.
And this is being used as a political ploy and a political tool for different sides to just argue against each other and create more of a divide within the public that we're all supposed to be serving.
I mean, I think we'd all agree that violence is completely unacceptable.
And we've seen a lot of that.
The Democrat attempts to try and play down the violent aspect of this, I think, is disgraceful.
It's pretty obvious when you've seen people torching cars, looting shops, throwing rocks at cars as they speed past, which could kill people.
This has been a very violent series of events in Los Angeles.
But let me ask you, Kaizen, about the bigger picture, I guess, behind all this, which is ICE, immigration, deportation, who should be deported, how fast they're doing it, and so on.
Dr. Phil painted, like I say, a pretty detailed picture of why he believes the federal government is acting entirely, not only within its rights, but also living up to the promises that Donald Trump made as a candidate and one of the primary reasons he got elected.
What is your view about the argument about what ICE is doing here?
Yeah, so look, Donald Trump got elected on the promise of resolving the illegal immigration situation.
And right now he's trying to do it.
Now, there are good ways to do it and there are bad ways to do it.
And I think we can talk about what we want to do, but also how we want to do it.
So there are 10 to 20 million people in the country illegally right now.
That's a lot of people to deport by force.
So the question is, how can we effectively deport this many people if we even agree that we should?
And not the whole country agrees, but the president was elected to do that.
My concern is not that they're deporting people.
My concern is that we're over-relying on force.
And when you use forceful action, you get a forceful reaction.
And that's what we're seeing.
And at the end of the day, all of these riots started over the deportation of 118 people.
We have 10 to 20 million people.
This doesn't scale.
So what I'd actually like to see the president do is not stop deporting, because I think that's important to restore order in this country, but rather to change the incentive model to incentivize people to self-deport.
Because what we're seeing right now is the forced approach is creating a lot of civil unrest.
And a lot of people just feel confused as to what's going on.
I think we can make this a lot more easier by enforcing existing workplace law so that employers can't pay people under the table and employ illegal immigrants, incentivizing illegal immigrants to leave by actually paying them, because this cost is $17,000 to deport an illegal immigrant by force.
So surely we could pay them half of that amount for them to just leave voluntarily and by locking down the border so that they can't come back in.
And I would also like to see the president just tone down some of the rhetoric around illegal immigration, because during this campaign, a lot of the focus was on violent criminals.
And of course, a percentage of the illegal population is violent criminals, but the vast majority aren't.
I mean, I meet a lot of these people on a daily basis.
They're just hardworking people who fled a desperate situation in Central and South America and came here wanting a better life.
But they have to enter legally.
So we need to remove them from the country, but we can do that humanely and while minimizing force.
I mean, it seems to me, Kaiser, you know, talking to Dr. Phil, I asked him this question, but I don't really speak to any Americans.
I speak to a lot of Americans, but I haven't met any yet who have any objection in the principle of deporting illegal immigrants who've committed crimes, right?
They're all just like, right, straight out, straight out the country.
Everyone's agreed about that.
So let's park.
You don't think so?
No.
No, no.
I mean, I live in California, so I have a lot of liberal friends and a lot of people are not on board with deportations.
And I think this is what...
Well, hang on, hang on.
Just to be clear, specifically deportation to people in the country illegally who then commit crimes in the United States.
Yes, I think people are on board about that.
Right.
So I think we should park that category of deportation targets to one side, because it seems to me everyone's pretty well agreed that in principle, that is fine.
It gets more complicated when you have, for argument's sake, somebody who came in the country illegally 10 years ago, has now had family in the United States, has got a job in the United States, is paying taxes in the United States.
What should happen to that person if they get caught up, for example, in an ICE raid in the neighborhood and then it turns out they're there illegally?
How do you feel about that person being deported?
Yeah, and this is the thing that I think everyone was dancing around during the election.
I think all people who are here illegally need to leave the country.
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And I think we can do that compassionately.
So I don't want to see a mom who's been here for 10 years being rounded up in an ice raid on the street and suddenly having to go to Mexico 48 hours later.
What I want is a system where people are given advance notice.
We can give them like a year's notice and say, hey, look, you have a year to get your affairs in order.
And although we understand that you're just a human being who wants to have a good life, the thing that makes America awesome is the fact that we follow the rules here.
There are 7.6 million people on our immigration backlog who applied for green cards and tried to come here legally.
It's not fair to them.
It's not fair to us.
We need to do things the right way.
So we're going to pay you a resettlement fee so that you can go back to your country of origin with minimal disruption to your life, but you do need to go.
And is that going to be expensive for Asian taxpayers?
It is.
But that's also the cost of restoring the perception of fairness and order in this country, which is something that we've lost.
And I think why we're so divided.
And if we don't figure out a way to resolve this, it's going to continue to be a political talking point every four years.
And aren't we all tired of this?
Yeah, I agree with you.
Stephen Klube, I mean.
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Trump has had a massive success on the southern border, for which I don't think he gets enough credit.
You know, reducing the number of people coming in illegally on that border by 96% in his first three months is a stunningly successful achievement, which should be applauded by people from all sides of the political divide.
I mean, just to start with, do you applaud him for that?
A plus for that, but we had a beautiful bipartisan bill in 24 that would have solved 80% of these issues.
80%.
There would have been a true pathway to citizenship.
We would have had a strong border.
Trump absolutely hijacked this.
It was a great, beautiful, bipartisan bill.
Okay.
We've got people that need to be adjudicated quickly that have been in the system a long time.
Hire the necessary judges, get pro bono counsel, get people on the rolls properly, and you know what?
Kick the criminals out.
Simple.
Right.
So you say it's simple, but you ended by saying kick the criminals out.
But do you categorize somebody who's in the country illegally as a criminal?
If you did not fill out your paperwork properly, okay?
Immigration is so complicated, Pierce.
And by the way, I admire the way you handle yourself.
Immigration is very complicated.
Okay.
And you have to understand there's such thing as asylum, correct?
Right.
There's proper immigration, correct?
Yes.
There's visa policy, which has many facets to it.
There's visa waiver for those that come into the country for visitation.
There's proper visa application for farm workers, day workers.
People will be up.
People like me.
I'm on a visa.
Yeah.
That's correct.
And you follow our laws.
Yes.
And you're here on probation.
And if you do violate our laws, then you are dear, then you have due process.
Okay.
But if you came into this country and you violated any of our laws, I have zero tolerance for that.
I have a problem with the following.
I have a problem with the way the Trump administration came in under the cloak of darkness or the day of light without telling the governor in advance to set up a perimeter and give the governor a chance to give the officers safe harbor to do what they needed to do.
That's where I've got the problem.
But just before I go to the sheriff, just to be clear, do you view people who are in the country illegally as criminals?
If you violate any law in the United States of America.
Well, I'm talking about the mere fact they've entered the country illegally.
Through our forest borders?
Well, just if they're coming to the country illegally.
If you come into the country illegally, if you're here and you overstay your visa waiver, you are here illegally.
If you're collecting money on a visa waiver, you are collecting money illegally.
You are subject to due process in the court of law.
Okay.
Sheriff Bianco.
This whole incident in LA has magnified what is going on with the Trump immigration policy.
You know, I thought that Kaisen articulated it very well, what a potential way to resolve this is.
What did you think of what he said?
Do you have a better plan?
I think what he said is exactly spot on.
I think that's the voice of reason.
That's the voice of common sense.
And what we're talking about here is completely riotous behavior that is being allowed and has honestly been enabled over the last 10, 20 years of this progressive rule that is anti-public safety.
And this was being allowed to exceed what it should have been done over days because there was no action.
You have the largest two law enforcement agencies in the country that were being overrun to where they had to call for help for backup from the four surrounding counties and we had to send reinforcements in.
The beauty of having the federal government there, the National Guard and now Marines, they're not there yet, but they're going to be, is they are protecting those buildings.
So now we can go out and stop this riotous behavior that's going on.
The fact that you have politicians speaking out in their own political, trying to make this political for their own benefit, the rest of us are suffering for it.
The law enforcement is suffering for it.
The people that are here, illegally or not, that are residents of our communities, we're the ones suffering for this, all while the politicians are sitting arguing and pointing fingers and blaming, pointing blame to say it's your fault.
So go ahead and elect me or elect me again.
And the reality is you have common sense approaches that this started because absolute criminals with deportation orders were going and being targeted.
And then this escalated into what we're talking about now.
This isn't about the four-year-old that was that somehow got deported.
This is about violating our laws.
It is victimizing the rest of us.
And the politicians are making this happen.
I would be willing to bet that if Case and I sat down at a table with maybe a handful of their adults, we could solve the immigration process because it's going to take compassion.
It's going to take the rule and the order of law to make all of this happen.
But it's going to take absolute adults that have nothing to do with politics in order to fix this because every single politician is using this and has been using this for decades for their own benefit during election cycles.
All right.
Stephen, I can see you remonstrating.
We couldn't hear what you were saying, but I just want to respond to that.
Yeah, Sheriff, you know, look, I sat with you.
You're a good guy.
You're a patriot.
I get it.
You would never, never send your officers into a situation where they would or could get hurt.
And that's where I've got a serious problem here because Tom just sent his folks in there without any coordination.
He could have picked up the phone and called Governor Newsom and said, This is the problem with this, Pierce.
He has absolutely no idea what he's talking about.
I know what this plan is.
I know what the plan was.
I know what they were doing.
So did every other law enforcement leader.
We have politicians or people wanting to be politicians that are making up things for their own personal benefit in their own head and their own opinions that are not fact.
And that is where I called Gavin Newsom and said, I'm coming in.
Do you know that?
Do you know that for a fact?
Did Tom call you?
Did Tom call you and say, hey, I'm coming into LA?
Sheriff Pianco, I'm coming into LA.
Did he do that?
His people did.
That's the cooperation of law enforcement.
And when people who have absolutely no idea what they're talking about decide to have opinions, we get into these positions.
And talking over people while they're talking, answering you, and because you don't want to hear the answer, that's why I do want to hear the answer.
You're diverting.
You're diverting.
Did Tom call you?
Yes or no?
Tom shouldn't call me.
The people that were operating called me.
This is proof that you know nothing about what you're talking about.
And this is politics destroying everything.
You have no business managing this.
The governor has no business managing this.
People certainly does when it comes to posse comitatus.
It certainly does.
Do you know what posse comitatus means, Sheriff?
I'm not sure you do, but Pierce, come on.
We're talking about riot in LA, and we're talking about an issue that is being my problem.
I actually don't have as big a problem as some people seem to with the use of National Guard or even the use of Marines if it comes to it.
If there is a general belief that the officials on the ground have lost control, okay, the federal government needs to step in.
I can see the argument either way on that.
But Let me ask you, Kaisen, about this.
A lot of people are uncomfortable about that.
They do feel that it's an excessive use of federal firepower and a kind of creeping militarization that you would normally see associated with some kind of fascist state.
What do you feel about, in particular, the deployment of National Guard and potentially hundreds of Marines?
This is for Kaizen.
Sorry.
I'm sorry.
Whenever the executive uses their power, there's a risk that they overuse it, right?
And the question is, in this specific incident, was the use of the National Guard justified?
And I believe it was.
I mean, what happened was on June 6th, the riot starts to break out.
On June 7th, they called in the National Guard.
On June 8th, the LAPD chief said that they were overwhelmed.
And the morning of June 8th, 300 National Guard arrived.
And then June 9th, more people arrived.
And given that last night we just had a curfew instated in LA, it looks like this has been a big enough problem that we needed backup.
So I'm glad that there's backup here.
And obviously, I want to make sure that Trump doesn't go too far.
And it's not without precedent to use National Guard to quell unrest.
And frankly, as someone who just lived through the LA fires and saw how poorly that was managed by Karen Bass and Gavin Newsom, I'm actually glad that the president stepped in because I don't have a ton of confidence in local leadership to deal with these things.
That said, I think Gavin Newsom has made a good point, which is, hey, the president has been fomenting the kinds of conditions that can become inflamed very quickly in his rhetoric and the forceful ICE raids.
And to clarify, the particular raids that happened on June 6th were actually not immigration enforcement actions.
It was about busting cartels, but they happened to find some illegal immigrants and they arrested them.
That said, this brings me back to the bigger point, though, which is we've created an environment where stuff like this is going to happen.
The more that we keep on pounding the table about violent criminals and rapists and drug dealers and honestly demonizing the entire legal immigrant population, the more that people are going to react when they see I suit up in LA.
So I think we need to just take down the rhetoric, have a plan that's more focused on incentives rather than force.
And then we don't even have to be in situations where the president needs to deploy the National Guard.
But there are situations where it's needed, and I'm glad that he did here.
All right, Stephen Kluber, I mean, do you accept that there are circumstances where you do need to deploy National Guard and if need be, Marines and the way that's been done, even if you don't think it was appropriate here?
As long as you handle it properly and effectively to start with command and control and unify with the state of California and the local community, whether it's city or county.
And if they don't want to cooperate, yeah, then bring them in.
But give them an opportunity to cooperate.
I don't believe for a moment they picked up the phone and spoke to the governor.
I don't believe that.
And you all can think what you think, but I know that's not true.
This is Vendetta City here.
Instead of unifying and working together, let's work together.
It's not California versus Donald Trump.
And Donald Trump loves to stoke the flame, California this, California that, like there's a spigot for our water.
There's no spigot in California.
Come on.
Look, tell him to be a big boy, put his big boy pants on and pick up the phone and work with California.
Don't fight against us.
Unify with us.
Would you please, we're the fourth largest GDP in the United States.
You want to play this game, Donald?
Why don't we cut off your federal funds?
That's $94 billion.
We'll see how you like to play that game.
You'll be on an airplane in a heartbeat to California.
We'll see in LA, Sacramento, or San Francisco.
We'll start talking turkey with our money.
Okay.
I mean, look, I think one of the things I would say that I think irked Trump and a lot of people on the Republican side of this was that there were a lot of Democrats, both politically and in the media, who were seemingly competing with each other to downplay what was happening in Los Angeles and to not call out what we were all seeing with our own eyes, which was some appalling violence.
And I would just be, I think one of the ways through a lot of this partisan stuff that goes on, which is so self-harming really to the United States, and we have the same problem in my country, is if when you have something like that, it just gets called out.
It reminds me of the George Floyd rioting, right?
The murder of George Floyd was an appalling thing.
Should never have happened.
The person who did it is now serving a very long prison sentence, quite rightly, in my opinion, for an appalling murder of an American man in Masri.
However, a lot of the rioting that went on was also appalling and unacceptable and should have been roundly condemned by everybody in America, just as the January 6th riots should have been roundly condemned.
Partisanship Over Principle 00:03:59
But I just think there are certain things that should just be called out by everybody.
And then you can move on to how you sort issues out, like immigration systems and so on.
But if when it's your side causing the trouble or people that you generally think are on your side, if you give them a pass, that inflames situations.
It just does.
These are hard truths.
There's no pass for the lack of execution.
There's no pass for the lack of accountability of not knowing your numbers, having $2 billion of homeless money, not knowing where it is.
There's no pass for deleting your text messages.
There's no pass for not having a reservoir filled.
There's no pass for going to Ghana when you know we're having extreme weather conditions.
There's no pass for any of these folks, Pierce.
These are hard truths.
There are a lot of us that are willing to agree to all of these things.
And look, my dear friend Chad Bianco, he's a friend.
You know, we're sitting here just talking, but he's a nice gentleman, okay?
We are Californians with California values.
Okay.
We contribute a lot to the federal government.
And we've had people in our country that just like to be stoked by this reality TV.
I don't want to see Zelensky getting dressed down on TV.
I don't want to see tariffs, which are the first acts of war.
We're saying we get along with the Chinese.
Okay, great.
What does that do to the American consumer?
We're talking about real important things, family first, us, eggs, bread, milk, cheese, gas, proper immigration, hard truths.
Okay.
The customers of America need to get more than they bargained for.
Okay.
We're paying tax dollars.
Kaisen, you've got your hand up.
I actually want to give you the last question, which is simply this.
Which of these two men, if you had a choice between the two of them to vote for as a California resident, which one would you vote for?
I don't know either of them, but based on what I've seen today, I would vote for the sheriff.
I think he comported himself in a way that we need to see our leaders do more.
I think he was more respectful in the dialogue.
And I think it actually goes to what you said, Piers, like we just need to go beyond sides and partisanship.
It's really exhausting.
And we're choosing partisanship over principle.
And we get into these situations where the left is not dealing with violence and the right is allowing any rhetoric to be permissible because they're responding to the left.
And it's ridiculous.
And most Americans don't feel like they're right or the left.
They feel politically homeless.
They feel disenfranchised.
And they actually want to hear about politics less because by the way, if politics is a form of entertainment, your political system is probably not working very well.
So yeah, I'd like to see the left take a hard line against any violence, period.
I'd like to see them cooperate with our commander in chief to follow the mandate of following through on resolving this immigration issue on both the illegal immigration issue and the legal immigration issue.
And on the right, I would like to see the right call for more compassionate rhetoric from our presidents and anyone who's in charge of these deportations.
Because hopefully one thing we can all agree on is, hey, the humans who are here illegally broke the law, period.
To your question of, is it criminality?
It is a criminal offense by USC penal code that for you to enter the southern board without permission.
So it's just a criminal act.
And these people were desperate.
They're just trying to have a better life.
So we can enforce our law and we can do it compassionately in a way that just focuses on resolving the issue rather than winning a political argument.
You know what?
I've thought of another question while you were talking, Kaiser.
Why don't you run for office?
I think there are some milestones I want to achieve in my life.
I want to start a family and get rich so I can't be bought.
And then maybe I'll enter politics.
All right, we're going to leave it there.
Thank you all very much.
I appreciate it.
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