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May 6, 2025 - Uncensored - Piers Morgan
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Misrepresenting the Victim 00:08:56
The way things are going, you're going to make a millionaire out of a woman who racially abused a child.
Did you call the child?
It is my own business.
You call him a what you're advocating for, it seems, is that for the rest of Shiloh's life, she should be cancelled and silenced rather than try to bring some redemption into the situation.
If you call black people the N-word and racially abuse them, unfortunately, yes, it has consequences.
Everyone's flipping out over Shiloh Hendrix and saying the N-word.
Nobody flipped out like this when the United States was getting destroyed in 2020 because of black protesters destroying every liberal city in America.
So I don't want to hear it about, oh, she made $5,000 for $100,000 because she said the N-word.
Who cares?
I want to live in a country where people are allowed to say what they want unashamedly.
And you can, you will.
Well, go on, then say it.
Say the N-word.
Go on.
No, I don't want you to invite this woman to say a racially harmful term about me.
So if she says it, I'm the victim of it.
Two recent stories in the US have laid bare the shocking levels of racial division in American society, amplified by extreme and viral takes on social media.
17-year-old Carmelo Anthony is a black teenager charged with stabbing a white boy to death at a school track meeting in April.
More than $600,000 in donations have poured in, not for the victim's grieving family, but for his alleged killer.
Last week, Shiloh Hendrix went viral after a video showed the young mother racially abusing a five-year-old allegedly for stealing from her young child.
Call him a child?
Did you call the child a word?
It is my own business.
You call him a okay.
Why don't you have the boss to say it right now again?
Fuck you.
All right, that's what you say.
Nobody dig into your shit.
A little fucking kid, Jim Dick, you don't have to.
That little kid, you call him.
That little child?
Are you about to hit him?
You chase him here?
He took my son stop.
So that gives you the right to call the child five-year-old.
Well, as you can see, Hendrix doesn't deny using the slur.
In fact, she repeats it many times.
That's all the stuff has bleeped out.
When a bystander in the park follows her with his smartphone.
Hendrix set up a fundraiser on the same website as Carmelo Anthony's supporters, on which she wrote, I called the kid out for what he was.
Incredibly, that campaign has now raised more money than the first one, surpassing $655,000 at the time of taping the show.
Well, the boss of the website, Give, Send, Go, is accused of facilitating brazen racism on a platform whose motto is money is temporary, Jesus, it is eternal.
He will join me later.
Liberals say this is exactly what they've been warning about, that the post-BLM backlash and the crushing of DEI has provided a fig leaf for outright bigotry.
Conservatives were similarly outraged by the support for Carmelo Anthony, an alleged murderer who's been glorified by some as a victim of a racist system.
We're here to debate all this as the host of the Fresh and Fit podcast, Myron Gaines, the host of Night School on YouTube, Mark Lamont Hill, Lily Gaddis, a social media commentator whose video defense of the N-word mother has so far been viewed millions of times on X, and the New York Post columnist and author Ricky Schlop.
Well, welcome to all of you.
Ricky, look, my take on this is a stain on all their houses, right?
I just don't know what is happening to society when you have such vast sums of money being raised for what seems to me to be deliberate, racially charged motivational reasons.
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, we're fighting ugly with ugly right now.
And I think this level of racial tribalism and hostility is just simply not sustainable in such a diverse democracy like America.
I think it's, you know, one is really a reaction to the other.
I think both campaigns are really hideous.
And I think we're showing our ugliest colors.
I mean, in the scheme of things, these are small sums relative to the population of America.
But you do see, I think, a really tremendous explosion of ugliness and racial hostility that I think we should all be ashamed and embarrassed of.
Yeah, I mean, you described it, I think, in one of your posts as genuinely as it's a psyop.
This would be the best million dollars invested by a foreign adversary to start a race war in America.
And I knew exactly what you're getting at because many of the comments, I think the comments have now been suspended actually on both of these funding pages because people were quite obviously deliberately misusing them to boast to post race-baiting commentary.
Absolutely.
I mean, if you go through some of the comments on either of them, you have White Lives Matter on one side and like suggestions that the teenage boy who was stabbed was somehow like a manifestation of white supremacy.
And it seems to be just a fight at a track meet that has nothing to do with racial hostility in the first place.
And the poor father of this young man who died too said, please don't make this into a racial issue.
And yet on his own Give Sand Go campaign, there are comments after comments saying this is White Lives Matter.
We're avenging against Carmelo Anthony's family.
I mean, on all ends, this is ugly.
I think that it's really co-opting the charity and giving community.
I mean, I feel bad for the fundraising platforms because I don't think this was the intention originally.
But unfortunately, I think that people are really starting to take over good intents and the charity industrial complex to make it into a victim industrial complex.
And it's really sad to see.
Well, we're going to have one of the founders of the Give Send Go site a little later in the program.
But Mark Lamont Hill, you were shaking your head there.
I mean, what's your take on this?
There are a couple of things that were said that I think are really interesting and important.
One, there is an outside audience of people who are watching all of this and opportunistically using it for their own agendas and projects.
You know, I have an investment in believing X, so I'm going to jump in the comments of this, go fund me, et cetera.
I have an investment in Y, I'm going to do the same thing.
But what I don't want to do is compare these two things as if they're opposite sides of the same coin.
For me, the intention of the campaign matters.
In the case of this woman who is using the N-word, the woman isn't disputing using the N-word.
The woman isn't disputing being racist.
And the comments that are being left on the site before they were suspended and the attitudes behind it weren't saying she's being railroaded, she's being misrepresented.
They were simply saying we support racism.
And I think that's disgusting, no matter who's doing it.
On the other hand, the people who are fundraising for Carmelo Anthony, the argument here isn't, yeah, we did something and we don't care like the other woman.
The argument is we're being misrepresented here.
We're being railroaded.
This was a self-defense claim.
This is not an act of violence.
This is a first-degree murder.
I'm saying what they're saying.
This isn't my argument.
They're saying this is a first-degree murder claim that is wrong.
This is actually self-defense.
And we need the money to make sure that we get a fair trial.
I think, and so whether you agree with his argument or not, I think raising money for a fair trial is different than raising money for a racist.
I mean, I think the common theme between the two, and this is not to pass any view about it at this stage, although I have strong views about it.
I guess the common theme is that both of them say that as a result of all the publicity, they've been doxxed and had all their personal details put everywhere on social media, which is, of course, the modern scourge, which gets involved.
And as a result, they've had death threats and they have security issues and they have to move home and so on.
You know, I understand that part of the argument.
You know, when you're at the center of a firestorm in America and you're not used to public attention, then the levels of intimidation, threats, and so on that can come your way can be extremely intimidating, if not outright dangerous.
So it's different really to taking a view about either of the cases to simply say that the commonality is that they both, I think, have said in defending the amounts that have been raised is, well, we have to defend ourselves, either as you're putting it through the courts, but also in his case, the alleged killer, that he has also, I think, had direct threats against him.
And in the case of the mother using the M-word in that despicable manner, she has said she's had a lot of threats too.
My quick response to that would just be: let's assume everybody's telling the truth.
Let's assume she's telling the truth and let's assume he's telling the truth.
If he's telling the truth and he was doing self-defense and he's getting harassed and doxed, and of course, we already know lies have been told about his GoFundMe campaign saying they were spending it on mansions and cars, all the kind of racist tropes.
Accountability for Speech 00:15:08
If that's true, he's being mistreated.
And I think that's a sort of very easy case to make.
When it comes to her, however, let's assume she's also telling the truth, that she used the word.
She thinks the kid was acting like one.
She feels like she has a right to use that word against that small baby because of whatever age-appropriate thing the kid did.
If she's telling the truth and she's getting doxed and harassed, I don't know if I want to reward her behavior with half a million dollars.
I don't think she should be doxed.
I don't think she should be harassed.
I think she has been mistreated to the extent that no one should be.
You have a right to be racist.
You have a right to free speech in this country.
But I'm not donating money for it.
And I feel a lot worse about her GoFundMe than the one for the person who's been railroaded.
Yeah.
Well, Lily Gaddis, you posted a defense of Shiloh on X.
It's been viewed two and a half million times in which it was entitled, White People Are Finally Fighting Back.
Stand with Shiloh Hendrix.
What did you mean by that?
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Here's the thing: white people have been under attack for years.
It's been systematic racism.
As much as black people and people of color want to talk about systematic racism in the United States, it's quite the opposite.
They get preferential treatment when it comes to getting a job, when it comes to getting into colleges.
White people, on the other hand, have been getting attacked relentlessly.
Look at 2016 and BLM and all the riots.
We just had to sit back and watch people burn down our cities and do nothing about it.
So the way to fight back against essentially this anti-white hatred that's been systemically ingrained in U.S. society is with white unity.
We don't see white unity on anything you've just said.
This is a disgusting racist woman who repeatedly spews the M-word, first at a young child and then at the person taking the video of her, does it with complete impunity, does it numerous times?
We are talking about a bona fide, a unquestionable racist.
So I don't understand why what you've just said to me bears any relation to white unity or anything that you've just said.
She's just a racist.
And, isn't she?
You wouldn't dispute that.
Well, it's not about her.
It's not about her.
It's about her.
It's about coming together and supporting another white person.
And it doesn't matter.
Why would you want to support a white racist?
Because I want to support free speech and you cannot have free speech in a country.
Well, that's fine.
You can support free speech, but you also have to be accountable for what you say.
She is, I mean, would you use the N-word out of interest?
Yes.
You would?
I do quite frequently.
You use the N-word quite frequently.
Well, why?
Other than the fact you're a despicable racist.
Are you?
Some would say I am.
I guess according to the ADL, I'm a white supremacist.
I'm a neo-Nazi.
Yeah, but if you use the N-word repeatedly, you are a racist, and are you?
Sure, I'll embrace that.
If that means forwarding, you know, helping white people achieve freedom of speech, real freedom of speech, which, by the way, I mean, Shiloh Hendrix is being attacked on all fronts.
They're trying to bring legal charges against her.
They're trying to get her children taken away.
So you were saying that Carmelo Anthony, it doesn't matter.
That's a different thing.
Just to be clear, you just said to me you use the N-word regularly.
In what context?
Do you use it with black people?
Yes, if it's appropriate.
When would it be appropriate to use the N-word?
When would it be appropriate?
Anytime I feel like it.
So you're an unashamed racist.
Correct.
Well, do you understand?
That makes you a despicable human being.
I guess so.
I don't really care.
I mean, why are we not talking about Shiloh Hendrix?
Why are we talking about Shiloh?
Well, actually, I think you've moved it on in this debate very quickly to your own racism, which explains why you've supported her in public and why you've got all these views.
You see no problem with a woman shrieking the N-word repeatedly because you yourself are a despicable racist.
And you've just proudly admitted that with a smug grin on your face, which is pretty horrifying, actually, for most people to have to watch.
And shame on you.
You're entitled to do it.
And I'm entitled to call you despicable.
Well, shame on white people for allowing themselves to be systematically discriminated against in the United States.
This is our country.
This is a country that should be.
What do you mean your country?
Because I'm white and my black people in American history.
Is that what you're saying?
That they've all just landed in America, invading your white country.
Is that your position?
Well, I mean, they were brought here technically.
Did you understand how dumb you sound?
This is stupid.
This is stupid and racist.
And at some point, we have to ask ourselves, do we want to reward this kind of disgusting behavior by platforming it?
I don't disagree with her.
Listen, I didn't know she was going to say that.
I don't disagree with you.
No, no, no.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm with you.
I don't think you knew ahead of time.
I'm saying at this moment, someone who's saying technically black people brought up.
No, technically, Africans were stolen, enslaved, and they built this country.
And the idea that you can justify calling a baby the N-word by saying that white people are losing the country is absurd.
It's morally bankrupt.
And it's honestly besides the point.
I mean, all these other, these are just distractions from the fact that she wants to justify dehumanizing and even animalizing a small black child.
It's disgusting.
No, you may as well have done because you're just an unashamed.
That's the implication of...
Let me bring in Myron Gaines because you've been smirking and laughing.
What's funny about any of this?
Well, I mean, I find it interesting that you guys want a virtue signal and, you know, wag the finger and say she's a racist and everything else like this.
No, no, she admits that she's a racist.
Well, wagging a finger at anybody.
But Myron, with respect, Myron, I don't need to wag a finger when somebody says, yeah, I'm racist.
I use the N-word against black people.
I don't care.
That's a racist.
I'm not wagging any finger.
I'm not accusing anybody.
She is admitting it proudly.
Even you can't defend that, surely.
Everybody is racist to some degree.
The reality is it depends on a lot of people want to be politically correct.
A lot of people want to sit there and say, oh, I'm not racist at all.
We all have biases.
We all have stereotypes.
We all make jokes.
We all are racist to some degree.
Now, how racist you are is a whole other situation, but everyone is racist.
That's number one.
Next thing I want to say.
See, I think this Shiloh Hendrickson Metcalf situation is a microcosm of a much bigger problem.
And that bigger problem is what I call systemic organizing.
And what I mean by this is for decades, we've had black people literally running around with black supremacy, committing crimes, not getting accountability for their actions, and then they blame the system for it.
For example, George Floyd, criminal.
Ferguson, criminals.
Freddie Gay, Gray, criminal.
A lot of these people are criminals.
And what ends up happening is they challenge the police officer.
They get into a physical altercation.
Things go left.
They die.
Something happens.
Use of force is utilized.
And then they want to cry about the result.
When in reality, it's not the police killing black people.
It's black people killing black people.
And if you want to talk about black on white violence, black people kill white people two times as much.
And on top of that, most of the shootings in America, a lot of the times, are white people killing, white cops killing other unarmed white men.
So this whole systemic racism or police brutality or, oh, it's all so messed up.
The reality is this.
Black people have been able to get away with a ridiculous amount of privilege in America for a very long time.
They're able to be racist with impunity.
They're able to call white people crackers without being challenged back.
And quite frankly, white America has had enough of it and the chickens have come to roost.
Now, look, am I saying that's awesome?
Am I saying that's great?
No, but for literally the better part of almost two decades since the Obama era, we've had to have BLM and liberalism shove down our throats.
And quite frankly, we're all tired of it.
Right.
But just to be clear, you would have no problem with one member of this panel openly saying she uses the N-word at black people with impunity and is proud of being a racist.
You have no problem with that.
My worldview on the protection of the First Amendment and freedom of speech overrides my personal feeling.
She has the right to say that.
That's fine.
No, you can support the First Amendment, but you can also have a personal view about what she said.
My feelings are irrelevant.
The Constitution is a constitution.
That's what matters.
Oh, that's fascinating.
Hold on, up.
So when it comes to chastising black Americans about their behavior, about calling white people crackers, as you say, about their moral claims about the racism, you can levy a judgment against black Americans for all the things they do.
But when it comes to this woman saying the N-word and this other woman endorsing it and saying that she herself uses the N-word, now all of a sudden we can only talk about the Constitution and the legal right.
We can't offer any moral judgment against it.
That's disingenuous.
And as the only black American up here, that's quite frustrating to hear.
If you want to be soft and get offended by that, that's your fucking problem, not mine.
Let me ask Ricky.
Let me ask you, Ricky.
This isn't about being soft any more than when you were desperately saving these white people.
This sensitive nature that you have is precisely why we have this problem.
It's not about being sensitive.
It's about, I didn't articulate.
Hold on, hold on, let me finish.
Myron, let me speak in an hour and let you respond.
Myrish, I didn't articulate any sensitivity here.
What I said, in the same way that you levied a judgment against black people, I'm levying one against the claims you're making.
I'm no more sensitive than you were when you made your claim.
I'm simply saying I disagree with you.
And to immediately jump to your being sensitive is just a distraction.
I'm making an argument here.
Just respond to my argument.
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Now, and my argument to respond to that is this.
Political correctness, liberalism, and making sure that we are politically correct and don't use certain words to defense people is precisely why we're in the situation that we're in.
For decades, we've had to literally tiptoe around saying certain things around certain people while the other group of people has been able to have impunity and be able to be as racist as they want to be, as violent as they want to be without any type of consequence.
And if you call it out, you're labeled a racist.
The reality is this.
Black people don't want to live around black people.
I don't want to live around a bunch of black people.
I move to neighborhoods where it's majority white because I know I'm safe.
Now, this uncomfortable reality that no one wants to say, so I'll say it for them.
Black people commit a lot of crimes.
A majority of the violent crime committee in the United States is committed by a small percentage of people and they tend to be black men.
Look, the reality is the reality.
People don't want to say it, but the political correctness and being nice and not wanting to tell the truth is precisely what's this problem.
And the reason why you're seeing all this support for MedCap and Shiloh, et cetera, is because white people have not been able to step up and say what they want to say for a very long time because of what I said before, systemic organized where they don't take accountability for their own.
Let me bring in Ricky, Ricky, to respond.
Ricky.
Yeah, I mean, I wanted to say that I agree that virtue signaling went too far, that political correctness went too far, but we're going from virtue signaling being the norm and being praised to now vice signaling being the norm and being praised.
It's not just a matter of does this woman have the right to use that word.
I believe that she has the right.
I disagree with it.
But is she now being rewarded with a half a million dollars?
Why are we rewarding people for performing vice instead of virtue?
This is not healthy.
This is destructive to our society.
This is destructive to our social fabric, to our culture, to our ability to live with other fellow Americans.
It's gross to reward someone for bad behavior.
It's one thing to tolerate it, to say that she has the right to do it, but she called an autistic five-year-old the N-word.
Like, I'm sorry, but I feel like we're kind of like missing the point in the actual context.
You can say that it's part of this bigger meta story of black and white America, but it actually is just like a short little clip and you don't even know the context of it.
And it's actually gross.
And if we can't just say that it's gross and bad, then I don't really know where we are.
Well, I think the, I mean, it's interesting to me that Lily Gaddis, you retweeted Nick Fuentes, the white supremacist, by saying black, he said black people just raised $500,000 for a cold-blooded killer who stabbed a white teenager to death.
So I don't want to hear one word about the Shiloh Hendrix fundraiser.
Everyone, either everyone gets to be tribal or nobody does.
Why would you retweet that?
Because I agree with it.
We have to fight fire with fire.
I mean, at some point, nobody does.
Why are Jewish people allowed to be tribal?
Why are black people allowed to be tribal?
But as soon as white people stand up for themselves, we're labeled a racist.
And by the way, you call people racist when you want them to stop talking about them.
No, no, I called you a racist because you admitted you were racist.
Hang on.
Hang on, hang on.
Hang on.
Just to be clear, just to be clear, I called you a racist because you openly, proudly admitted you're a racist.
So it wasn't a question of exposing you or pointing my finger or trying to get this out of you.
You proudly sat there, bold as brass, and said, yeah, I use the N-word all the time against black people.
I'm a racist and I'm proud of it.
That's what you did.
Racism is just having a preference.
I prefer not to live around black people.
I prefer not to live in a country where white people in our country are disproportionately attacked by black people.
Where in my country, you can have an Austin Metcalf where he asks a guy to leave and he gets stabbed in the heart.
Double Standards in Bans 00:03:36
I prefer that.
That's a preference.
Now, what a real racist is, in my opinion, is seeing someone as less human.
I'm a Christian.
I believe everyone's created in God's image.
So I don't see anyone as less human, but that doesn't mean I'm not allowed to have a preference and say, I don't like what happens to be coming out of this community or that community.
How is that a bad thing?
How is that not just a preference?
Because you've literally made black people sound lesser humans.
You don't want to live around them.
You want to use the N-word in relation to them, a word that you know causes that community unbelievable.
Is that my fault?
If they have bad behavior, if they want to act in a certain way, if I have to cross the street and be afraid that maybe because of the crime statistics that are very real, by the way, is that my fault?
Or is that their fault for having bad behavior?
That's mind-boggling to me for multiple reasons.
I mean, we're talking about bad behavior.
You know, we've never lynched you.
We've never enslaved you.
We've never done any of the deep-seated structural forms of injustice to white people that white people have done to black people.
And yet, to claim some kind of moral superiority, in the midst of, and again, in the context of a conversation where a white woman is calling a five-year-old autistic child the N-word, and we're talking about black people's bad behavior, this is absurd.
And the idea of fighting fire with fire, again, is a dishonest argument, just to take us back to the point here.
The people who are supporting Carmelo Anthony's campaign believe that he was wrongfully charged and they're trying to get him legal defense.
The people who are defending this woman are saying, yes, we know you called the five-year-old autistic black child the N-word, and we want more of it.
We approve of it.
We support it.
These are not the same thing.
And it's bonkers to me that we couldn't all stand and say, hey, it is wrong to call a five-year-old Autistic Black child the N-word.
I mean, Myron, let me just ask you that question.
I think this is a yes or no question.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Do you think the woman was wrong to do what she did to that child in that park?
I don't approve of that, but what I will say is that it's very important to understand the entire context of what led us to this position.
Because again, Metcalf and Hendrix is a microcosm of a much larger problem.
Earlier, we're talking about tribalism when you were mentioning Nick Fuentes' tweet.
Here's the thing: black people could be as tribal as they want to be.
You have people like Tariq Nasheed, Dr. Umar Johnson running around about black power and marry black women and keep it in the hood and all this other stuff.
But if white people assemble and say, you know what, white power, we need to keep our nation white, they're immediately ostracized and labeled as supremacists, and they get banned off every single platform.
I find that interesting.
And matter of fact, you went to the same- Is that the same thing?
No, no, actually, it is the same thing.
Because here's the problem with black people.
Hold on, let me let me finish this.
Black people practice the very racism they cry about.
You guys can gather together and say black lives matter, black power, but if white people get together and say white power gathered together, they're considered white supremacists and they get banned off every single platform.
Why is that Jared Taylor and Nick Fuentes are banned off every platform for practicing white nationalism?
But black people are allowed to stand on every single platform getting interviews on a breakfast club.
Explain that to me.
There's a two-tier situation here where black people are able to benefit off of being racist while whites are not.
And what we're dealing with right now in America is literally a backlash to this black supremacy that's been able to run around unchecked for a long time and no one has the balls to call it out.
Here's the other thing I want to say.
Everyone's flipping out over Shiloh Hendrix and saying the N-word.
Can I rebuild the point you just made though?
No, no, no, hold on, hold on.
Nobody flipped out like this when the United States was getting destroyed in 2020 because of black protests destroying every liberal city in America.
So I don't want to hear it about, oh, this she made five hundred thousand dollars because she said the N-word.
Who cares?
They destroyed billions of dollars of structure because someone got killed.
Two-Tier Racism Reality 00:02:33
Who is a criminal?
That's the problem in America.
You guys get a privilege that no one else gets to enjoy.
You could be racist.
Okay.
All right.
Hang on.
Hang on.
I've got to hold it there.
We've got another guest joining us.
Mark, I'll come back to you to respond to that in a moment.
But we're being joined now by Jacob Wells.
He's the Christian founder of the Give, Send, Go donation site that both campaigns have been hosted on.
Thank you very much, indeed, for joining me, Mr. Wells.
First of all, your reaction to what seems to me to be a blatant hijacking of both of these fundraising host sites for different reasons, but definitely been hijacked by people for racist motivation.
No, I think that's completely correct, Piers.
I do think that there was an element here that did hijack that came at this and really became a racist, tribalist element between the two campaigns.
Independently of themselves, I think that they would have existed on our platform in a whole different manner.
But because of the narratives around them and the proximity to each other, they created a life of their own.
And it is unfortunate, sad to see, because as a Christian myself, what I respect about humanity and the image of God on us, I believe that we're all valuable.
I believe that people have dignity and worth.
And we want to see that upheld for people, even in difficult moments.
That's why our platform exists, is to share hope with people.
And it's been a difficult week, several weeks of just navigating the complexity of these situations as a platform.
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But let me ask you, in the case of Shiloh Hendrix, it seems to me pretty open and shut.
This is a woman on camera repeatedly using the N-word, first of all, with a five-year-old autistic child, it seems, then an adult who's filming her, doesn't care, is blatantly racist.
Why should someone like that be allowed to raise any money on your site if, as you say, you are driven by a Christian purpose?
Well, that's a fascinating question.
I would almost flip it around.
It's like if we tried to create litmus tests for everybody to come onto a platform to use it, I pretty much could guarantee nobody would pass the litmus test because the reality of humanity is that we're broken.
This was the whole principle of Jesus in the first place says that we needed a savior and that's what he came for.
So just to be clear, just to be clear, then you start down the road.
Hang on, just to be clear.
That's interesting what you just said.
So you would let anybody onto your platform to raise money for anything.
Is that your position?
No, the position is that there are laws that define what is legal and what isn't legal.
And we'd adhere to the laws as the framework for what is and isn't allowed.
And inciting racial hatred is a crime, right?
Inciting racial hatred is a crime?
Yeah.
Where?
You don't think it's a crime?
In the U.S.?
Yeah, it is.
I've never seen that as a law on the books.
But it is.
That was Even American, and I know it's a law on the books, you're not allowed to incite racial hatred or violence against ethnic groups based on their ethnicity.
What could be a more glaring example of calling black people the N-word?
Violence and words are two different things, and we do make a distinction of that in America.
They are very clearly different things.
I don't know of any law.
I'd be happy for you to inform me with what that law is, because I don't know everything.
I'm happy to admit that.
But as has already been mentioned on the show earlier, there are needs that exist outside of the reality of that moment for Shiloh.
I don't condone the behavior.
Obviously, we didn't see the actual behavior that was accused in the moment.
What we saw was the aftermath of a kind of baited moment.
But she carries on using the N-word to a black person with impunity.
That's a racist.
Yeah, well, she might have some racial elements.
I don't know.
I don't know Shiloh's a lot of people.
Some racial element.
She uses the N-word repeatedly to a black man, and she doesn't deny having just used it to a five-year-old black child.
I'm not sure what more evidence you need that this person's a racist.
And my question for you is simply, where is that line for you?
You say it's the law.
Somebody's literally raising hundreds of thousands of dollars to support them because they were blatantly racist.
I'm just curious how that fits with your Christian ethos of what your site's supposed to be about.
Well, it fits actually very well because we can, like I started to say, we don't operate on a litanus test of your past behaviors as far as the services that you get to provide.
The moment that you start walking down the narrative that we're not going to provide you electricity, water, because we don't like you, the structural elements, the movement of money, which is a basic element to society.
So let me just ask you this.
So if someone was being blatantly anti-Semitic, for example, would you allow them to raise money on your platform to defend themselves over their anti-Semitism?
We sit in a very interesting position as a platform in trying to navigate the complexities of these issues.
So what's the answer though?
You can say things.
Well, I'll say historically we've stood on that principle of saying we're going to allow things that we disagree with.
Okay.
And we've allowed things that we completely disagree with.
Do you allow people to do pro-abortion?
Do you allow pro-abortion fundraising?
Actually, there's two caveats to what Gives and Go has carved out.
And one of them is we, well, it's broken into two pieces, but it's the protection of children.
So we say we're going to protect children because they don't have a voice.
So we're not going to allow fundraising for abortions on Give Sango, and we're not going to allow fundraising for the transition, the transition of children.
Okay, but what about a five-year-old child being called the N-word?
What about that?
Where does the protection for that child come in?
Well, that's their parents' responsibility.
That's like if my child, and I have several children, if my child was called something bad, I would take my child aside and I would tell them.
You just said one of the caveats for Give Sango is the protection of children.
You talked about the transitioning process.
You talked about abortion, which is obviously your Christian perspective on that.
And I'm simply saying, why doesn't it include children being racially abused?
Why is that suddenly the parents' responsibility, not yours as a platform?
No, because you are there.
You are going to make a millionaire.
Well, look, let me just spell it out to you.
The way things are going, you're going to make a millionaire out of a woman who racially abused a child.
And if your caveats of...
That's incorrect.
Well, hang on.
Well, you are.
No, I'm not.
Because one, we're a platform.
We don't make donations to these campaigns.
These are individuals that are making donations.
This person will become a millionaire because of your platform.
No, it's not because of our platform.
They could send checks and they could send money a million different ways to individuals.
But they're using your platform.
And you've already said to me, you carve out things because you want to protect children.
I'm just curious, why is racially abusing a child not one of your carve-outs?
Well, what the campaign is fundraising for.
So we have to make a distinction between what happens on Give Send Go and then what happens outside of Give Send Go.
Because we can't police everything that happens outside of Give Send Go.
All that we can police is what happens on Give Send Go.
So the two instances that I gave were about campaigns that if they were created on Give Send Go, that we would, for those scenarios, we would prevent.
But things that happen outside of Give Send Go, we can't police around.
So does someone have the right to raise funds for their security, for their protection, because they've been doxxed because of a snapshot moment, because everyone has a camera in their pocket.
And today, we can see the outworking of this.
Three years ago in New York City, in the middle of the city, there was an altercation between a woman and another black man over bird watching and dogs.
And her name was Amy Cooper.
And to this day, three years later, she hasn't been able to find a job.
She's been, because she made a bad mistake saying the wrong thing in a particular moment.
When she racially abused him, she racially abused him.
If you racially abuse people, you are made accountable for your actions.
So for the rest of your life, the rest of your life.
She shut up from society.
If you call black people the N-word and racially abuse them, unfortunately, yes, it has consequences probably for your professional life.
I'm not saying the rest of your professional life.
We understand that there are consequences.
I understand this consequences.
What I'm saying is, what you're advocating for, it seems, is that for the rest of Shiloh's life, she should be pushed into the recesses of society and that she should not have a voice, that she should be canceled and silenced.
This is what drives people to suicide.
And it's this cancel culture mantra that thinks that the best way forward as a society is to cancel them rather than try to bring some redemption into the situation.
And for Give Send Go, our purpose and our hope is not that we agree with every single campaign.
It's why we started a prayer team at Give Send Go.
We actually call every campaign owner and we pray with them and we actually talk them back from the ideological edges that they find themselves in by saying, you know what, there's a God that loves you.
You don't need to get into this tribal space.
You need to focus on rebuilding that relationship with him because that's the fabric for a principled person.
Here's the floor with Shiloh.
His floor with Shiloh Hendricks.
She, in her message left on the donation site, it goes on and on, sentence after sentence, playing the victim.
She never once mentions that she repeatedly used the N-word.
It doesn't exist in her description of the victimhood statement she puts out there.
So it's incredibly disingenuous because people who read that will not realize, if they don't know the story, that she racially abused a child and then an adult in a most horrific manner.
And I'm curious for you as a company.
You take, I believe, tips and donations from each of the donations that come in.
Is that how the system works?
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The system works on voluntary donations.
So the only thing that's going to be available.
So just that revenue from the $600,000 plus that have now been raised for her, how much have you guys made, Give Seng, Go, from that money?
Presumably you know, right?
I actually don't know.
I haven't kept track of what the donations to that campaign in particular to give Sengo.
Do you feel comfortable?
Do you feel comfortable making money out of that?
What I feel comfortable doing is last week, flying out to Detroit, Michigan, and stepping into somebody's brokenness who had a campaign on Give Seng Go because their car was stolen and another car was in an accident and they found out that their three-year-old had cancer.
Well, that's a different story.
It's a different story completely.
And it's a very reality of what we use the funds from Give Seng Go for.
The bottom line is you're making, I don't know, tens of thousands, maybe more, out of a particular part of your site that has been set up by a racist who was proudly racist on camera repeatedly.
And you say you want to protect children, but the reason that she is so infamous is she originally in that exchange racially abused the child.
And you might laugh.
Well, none of us.
I don't find any of that funny.
I keep jumping.
I don't think it's funny either.
You've put me in a position to try to defend Shiloh, which I have no defense for Shiloh.
I don't defend calling a child something like that.
What is very evident is that, one, we don't have video of her doing any of those things outside of the post video.
Where she literally uses the N-word repeatedly, and she doesn't deny using it against the child.
In fact, she makes it clear she did do it because he was behaving like one, she said.
So I don't know why you're being so mean about it.
The bottom line is she's obviously a nasty racist.
She's proud of being a racist.
She admitted being a racist, and we heard her being a racist.
There is no doubt about what happened.
What you're trying to do is cast a little bit of doubt, if you don't mind me saying, because it helps your corporate position, which is you're making a ton of money out of a racist.
So he's going to be a millionaire out of being a racist because of your platform.
If you think allowing this campaign helps our corporate position, come on, Pierce.
You know what would help?
You know what would help you corporately?
If you were genuinely true to your mission statement as a Christian site, that you want to protect children, and you were big on that at the start of this interview, I want to protect the kids, then you would remove her site immediately once you had established in your own brain that she'd racially abused a five-year-old, which, by the way, she admits to doing.
So you could just do that like that.
Yeah, no, we could do a lot of things, but in the country that we live in, there are certain fabric elements that make this America what it is, and they need to be defended.
So free speech.
People have upset feelings.
Free speech?
Free speech, freedom of expression.
Really?
And yet, how odd?
Because Mr. Wells, unless I'm mistaken, you have now removed the ability to comment and removed all the comments on this particular donation site, haven't you?
Where's the free speech rights of those people who commented?
Or are you just a hypocrite?
Recognize what free speech is.
Free speech is a prohibition against the government enacting laws to prohibit your speech.
You literally just made a speech talking about freedom of expression and free speech, but you have removed all the comments from here.
Why are you suppressing and censoring people's right to free speech to comment on these sites?
We have, as a private business, the right to operate our business the way that we're going to be able to do it.
You have the right to suppress free speech.
I don't dispute it.
I'm just curious why you pretend to be this great defender of free speech when you're literally doing the opposite.
No, what we saw very clearly in this situation was a campaign for Carmelo Anthony and on the back of it, a campaign for Shiloh, and they were competing off of each other.
And they were in a cycle of vitriolic tornado of sorts.
And we said, we need to put some calming effect on this by removing the back and forth element that's going on in this particular situation.
It wouldn't necessarily have happened if these campaigns were completely independent, months, years apart from each other.
As a Christian, as a Christian again.
As a Christian again, because I'm told that the Give Send Go site for Luigi Mangioni, who we saw allegedly executing a healthcare boss in cold blood, I don't think there's much allegedly about it, but we'll let the process take its course.
He's got nearly a million pounds for his defense via your site.
And, you know, it's sort of odd, isn't it?
Is it not an inconsistency in your Christian position on this?
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That on the one hand, you want to...
It really shows your lack of faith that actually.
Let me ask you the question.
On the one hand, if you want anything pro-abortion on your site, that's a no-no because you're all pro-life.
And yet, on the other hand, you're helping a bunch of alleged murderers raise millions.
Do you not see an inconsistency with your Christian hat on?
Well, it just actually goes to the shallow misconception of Christianity that you have.
And I would implore you, Piers, to go after reading the Bible for what it says.
The number one critique of the revolution.
It's ringing quite loud in my head.
The number one critique of Jesus by the religious leaders of the day was that he hung around with the prostitutes, the drunkards, and the sinners.
He was the guy that went to the lowliest of low places, and he actually shared hope in the midst of the worst places.
We find ourselves in a very similar situation.
And our goal at Give Send Go is to share hope to people in the midst.
And part of that is navigating how we do it.
We have a prayer team that calls people and prays with them, actually shows them that they're valuable.
We have an initiative, like I was mentioning earlier.
All right, but the bottom line, the bottom line.
Mr. Wells, I appreciate you coming on, but the bottom line is the reality of the situation is if you racially abuse a kid, you can become a millionaire on your site and you won't stop it happening.
And if you kill somebody or allegedly kill somebody, you won't stop that happening either.
But with your Christian hat on, if somebody wants to put anything up that's pro-abortion, whoa, not having that gov. And if you want to put a comment under one of these more contentious sites, your free speech immediately collapses.
Listen, I'm sorry, Piers, if you can't recognize that children don't have a voice and they should be protected.
What about the voice of this little five-year-old black kid?
Where was his right not to be racially abused?
He doesn't have a campaign on Give, Send, Go.
I would love to see a campaign for him on Give, Send, Go.
He doesn't have a campaign on give side.
But to the deeper question of the other campaigns, if you think undermining the presumption of innocence until proven guilty in a court of law is a good position to take, well, so be it.
That's why we find ourselves in the mess as a society that we have found ourselves in is because people continue to undermine the principles that our country was founded upon for the sake of some type of social outrage, which apparently is what seems like you're parroting towards us.
Okay, let's just assume that the viewers can make their own minds up about who's parroting what here.
But I appreciate you coming on, Mr. Wells.
Thank you very much.
Thanks, Pierce.
Okay, let's go back to the panel there.
I mean, Ricky, it seemed to me a lot of inconsistencies in Mr. Wells's position, not least the donning of the Christian hat when it suits them, but then removing it when it doesn't.
You know, I think it's definitely tough to make the call here and there and where to censor.
I err on the side of not censoring as much as possible, but I agree with you that the selectivity of having issues with abortion, but not with these campaigns is certainly a problem.
But I also want to go back to our point before, too, and make the point that I just, I hate this argument that because some people were tribal, we should be tribal too.
And shouldn't we want to live in a society where we say tribalism is bad in general and negative in general?
And so therefore we should be airing towards individualism and not fighting tribalism with more tribalism.
I think that's a net negative.
I agree.
Myron, your last words on this.
The thing with tribalism is it's a natural human instinct.
Like we are literally designed to want to be in communities and want to be a part of a set of community because it ensures our survival.
It's been that way since the beginning of time.
So the thing is that people are typically going to align with people that share similar features.
And that's why we have the tribalism we have going on right now.
So the problem is it's not going to go anywhere.
I think the problem is that we've had this penting up for literally decades and this has been a response to it.
You have people that are coming out and supporting someone who you guys might deem as a terrible racist, but I think it's also very important to understand how we got here because if we're going to look at the smaller problem, we can't look at the bigger problem.
And it's what I said before, unchecked systemic.
All right, Mark, Lamon Hill, your last words on this.
This repeated use of the word, I think, first of all, I want to just register that as offensive, particularly as someone who doesn't identify as a member of that community and who is not, right?
I think that's incredibly African American.
I'm the definition of African American.
And troublesome.
And as a Sudanese American or an outsider who's using African-American in a very technical term, the same way that Elon Musk is an African-American, I think it is a bit disingenuous.
But the bigger issue here, I think, is that, you know, this idea of equating of one side to the other side often loses track of this issue of power.
To use his example, when black people stand up and say, hey, let's build our own stuff.
Hey, let's have a black power movement.
That is not the same as a white power.
I'll let you speak uninterrupted.
Let me finish, please, my Sudanese brother.
So when a Black person says, hey, let's preserve our culture.
I have no problem with Italians or Irish people or anyone else saying, let's preserve our culture.
But when we don't talk about ethnicity, but actual race, and white people say, let's preserve whiteness, it's an exclusionary practice.
It's about preserving laws and practices and tactics that do harm to other people.
A black power movement was about opening stores and building businesses.
A white power movement was a white power.
Bestaga.
A white power movement was about something very, very, very, very different.
A white power movement included lynchings and included Ku Klux Klan, etc.
So let's not pretend that these are opposite sides of the same coin.
When people say, let's save our country, and even using the language of our country, when black people built this thing, when you say that, you're talking about forcing people out of the country.
You're talking about laws that discriminate.
You're talking about doing harm to people.
Let's not pretend these are the same thing.
Just like these GoFundMe campaigns are not the same thing.
I'm okay if everybody gets out of the GoFundMe industrial complex.
I'd love that.
But let's not pretend that supporting someone for a fair trial is the same thing as supporting a grown white woman berating and calling the N-word to a five-year-old autistic black child.
And the fact that everyone in here can't be unanimous in condemning that is exactly how they're not the same.
I totally agree.
I'm going to go to Lily Gaddis and just ask you one more time.
I mean, you've been so unashamedly proud of being a racist today, proud of using the N-word whenever you feel like it.
You've had a bit of time to think about this.
Is that how you want people to leave this panel debate with thinking of you as a disgusting racist?
I don't really care what people think about me.
As long as you care about what people think about you, you have no power and you lose your country.
What I care about is freedom of speech.
And if you're not allowed to say the most offensive things in this country, you do not have freedom of speech.
I don't care what anybody says.
So that's the main crux of this situation.
That's what I care about with this situation.
It is we have lived for far too long in a country where you can have your life destroyed.
And people say, oh, she doesn't need this money.
Her life's destroyed, by the way.
She'll never be able to get another job.
She's got children to have to support.
And I don't want to live in a country where you can say an inappropriate, rude thing, which by the way, black people can say things to white people all the time and they never get canceled.
There's no backlashing about this.
I want to live in a country where people are allowed to say what they want unashamedly.
And you can, you will.
Well, go on, then say it.
Say the N-word.
You will not have to.
Go on, go on.
Say the N-word.
Go on.
Don't invite.
No, I don't want you to invite this woman to say a racially harmful term about me because I'm the only on here.
So if she says it, I'm the victim of it.
So please don't invite her beratings to call me the N-word because that's basically what it's going to be.
There's a bunch of white people up here and one Uncle Tom on the left here.
And asking her to say the N-word while I'm here is ridiculous.
You would not sit here with a Jewish person and say, please use a Jewish slur in front of this Jewish.
It's ridiculous.
I understand you don't have any bad intent, Piers.
I understand what you're trying to do.
But we don't even know.
And I don't want to invite a racial harm to me.
I hear you.
I hear you.
And I accept that.
And we'll leave it there.
Thank you all very much.
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