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Oct. 22, 2024 - Uncensored - Piers Morgan
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Kamala's McDonald's Pass 00:13:11
Let's check and make sure everything you said it would be better.
It's going to be the best year.
I made it myself.
It was a win across the board in a way that Donald Trump only can get those wins.
He went in, he donned a cape, he donned an apron, and now he is supposed to be someone who people who are, you know, living paycheck to paycheck are supposed to be able to relate to.
Are you better off now than you were four years ago?
The only people that can say yes are illegal aliens.
Look at me, and I want you to try and avoid laughing, right?
Which is what all Democrats have been trying to do.
The only piece of advice I would have for her in the event that she wins would be not to let her husband Doug anywhere near the nannies.
Just keep him away.
The American presidential election is now just two weeks away, and both candidates are staging photo opportunities, iconic emblems of the American character.
Carmela Harris went to a Baptist church.
The Donald, meanwhile, went to McDonald's.
Mr. President, you actually have worked at McDonald's now.
Now I have worked in Rika.
I've now worked for 15 minutes more than Camada.
Are you going to put this on your resume?
I worked at McDonald's.
Well, Harris claims to have worked beneath the golden arches as part of her now fable Rags to Riches story, but there's no actual independent corroboration of that claim.
And Trump says she's made it up.
Well, no matter who's right on the details of her McDonald's resume, there's no denying which of the two candidates is currently loving it.
Trump has given a barrage of interviews to friendly media and podcasts over the past week and seems to be genuinely enjoying the last stage of his race.
Harris has suddenly begun taking big swings, including this testy interview with the formidable Brett Baer on Fox News.
How many illegal immigrants would you estimate your administration has released into the country over the last three and a half years?
Well, I'm glad you raised the issue of immigration because I agree with you.
It is a topic of discussion that people want to rightly have about.
Yeah, but just a number.
Do you think it's 1 million, 3 million?
Brett, let's just get to the point.
Okay, the point is that we have a broken immigration system that needs to be repaired.
So your homeland security secretary said that 85% of apprehensions.
I'm not finished.
We have to return to the rest of the rest of the world.
It's a rough estimate of 6 million people have been released into the country.
You don't need to be Nostradamus to work out what this shows us about how the campaigns are feeling at the moment.
Harris is trending downwards, albeit it's still within a margin of error.
She's attempting the difficult persuasion work dodged in the prolonged vibes and joy phrase of her campaign.
Trump, meanwhile, is focusing on turning out his base.
He thinks if he can persuade his supporters to go to the polls, then he'll win.
And in 14 days, well, we'll find out if the commander-in-beef has pulled off a truly supersized comeback.
Join me to debate using poll position, host of the Rubin Report, Dave Rubin, Larry Elder, the former presidential candidate and host of the Larry Elder Show, Democrat strategist Amicio Cross, and pro-Harris influencer Luke Beasley.
Welcome to all of you.
Dave Rubin, I thought this McDonald's stunt by Trump was an absolute slam dunk.
In fact, I called it in a New York Post column that I filed today probably the best political stunt I've ever seen.
On two levels, I argued.
One is that it highlighted this claim by Carmela Harris to have worked at McDonald's as a summer job when there's zero evidence other than from her mouth that that's ever happened.
No one's ever come forward to say I work with her, which is just very odd.
She didn't mention it in her memoir.
She didn't put it on her resume about three years later when she was applying for jobs.
All very strange.
It doesn't mean she's lying, but it's very strange.
But secondly, what Trump did by just going to McDonald's and getting a job there for the day, albeit it was all staged, obviously, was he was attaching himself to probably the most inclusive American iconic company imaginable.
There are 13,500 McDonald's in America alone.
I think I read that 7.5% of the population of the United States have a McDonald's meal once a year, at least, which is a staggering statistic.
And it's a real piece of Americana.
It represents entrepreneurism in the sense that, you know, people, everyone can afford a McDonald's pretty much.
And pretty much everyone has a shot, if they want it, of running a McDonald's franchise.
So it's a kind of brilliant place for Trump to attach himself to.
And I just saw his whole interaction with the staff, with the customers and so on was a brilliant, brilliant stunt.
What did you think?
Oh, it was a win across the board in a way that Donald Trump only can get those wins.
I mean, that moment where the employee says, you know, I'm ordinary and he says, no, you're not ordinary, that's Trump being Trump.
I mean, not only is McDonald's just a win because everybody's had it and it's going to, okay, it's going to trigger a certain amount of the MSNBC types because he actually didn't technically get a job and it's a stunt.
What it shows is that he really is the man of the people.
And it is bizarre, I would say, that an orange man with crazy hair who's a billionaire is more authentic and more real and more of a man of the people than any of the people on the other side who purport to be for the people, but actually are the elites.
So this is only a win.
You could see the absolute joy of all of the people who were showing up at the line, the drive-through line.
You could see the joy of the employees and you could see the joy in Trump.
You know, Trump loves to work more than anything else.
Trump loves work.
He loves success.
I genuinely think he liked doing that.
And I don't know, somehow they got an apron that fit perfectly and it worked with his red tie and his hair is as golden as the French fries.
I think this thing was just a win and a win and a win.
Yeah.
And actually, you can tell how big a win it was just by how much whining is going on from the Dems afterwards.
Amisha, you were laughing at some of Dave's claims there.
Did you not embrace the full joy of the Donald at McDonald's?
No, absolutely not.
I don't think that a guy who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth is who chooses a day to cosplay as a McDonald's employee is something we should be celebrating.
These are people who've been fighting to have minimum wage.
These are people who are fighting to have minimum wage increases, which the Republican Party and Donald Trump is against.
This is not a cosplay moment.
I didn't see this as any different than I saw it as when Gwyneth Paltrow, the famous actress, decided she was going to go on food stamps for a week.
It is a ploy.
And in many cases, it's making fun of the very individuals who have to live off of these minimum wages.
And he's making fun of them.
Who cannot afford childcare?
Who cannot afford childcare, who cannot afford their, who cannot afford cars?
You know, they are paying their rent.
Can I finish?
Can I finish?
Well, I want to make the point about what you just said.
At the end of the day, we're talking about someone who does not agree with raising minimum wage.
We're talking about a party that has not supported reducing child poverty rates.
They did not support extended child tax credits.
This is a party that does not care about not only sustaining the middle class, but obviously people who are earning poverty wages.
So yes, he went in, he donned a cape, he donned an apron, and now he is supposed to be someone who people who are living paycheck to paycheck are supposed to be able to relate to the people.
I think you're overthinking this.
You remind me a little bit of Michael Bloomberg, who was sat in front of Trump at the Al Smith dinner the other day and for 28 minutes managed not to crack any facial expression whatsoever, even as Trump was rattling off a series of indisputably hilarious zingers.
And I think it takes a lot of real effort.
Maybe he just find them funny.
It just makes me laugh that Kamala Harris is all about finding the joy in life.
Now you've got Trump cracking funny jokes that no one on your side wants to laugh.
And we'll come to that later.
I come from a family.
I'm sorry that you've got billionaires.
I come from a family where people work minimum wage jobs.
They don't get to dawn for an hour or so to get photo box and walk away.
That's not cool.
I'm just saying, if you can't watch Donald Trump frying fries in a McDonald's when he's never been seen cooking a thing in his entire life and then serving it to punters as they turn up in cars, if you can't crack a smile and feel what Kambala would describe as the joy of that moment, there's something very human about you, isn't there?
Yeah.
It's MAGA that keeps getting up.
Oh, I'm thankful that McDonald's hires felons because they do that in reality as well.
Okay, let me bring in Luke.
You want to get him?
Yeah.
Well, I will say that MAGA has been repeatedly expressing that they're upset that Kamala is having these fun moments.
Oh, she's laughing.
We are stop dancing.
There's serious problems.
So there are a little bit of hypocrisy there, but I will say this McDonald's thing is the perfect example of how Trump gets away with what he does.
Because a bunch of people in the media play right into what he's doing, which I agree.
A fun little photo op at McDonald's.
A lot of people are going to find that likable.
Ignoring the actual substance, which is he gets asked about the minimum wage.
He can't answer it because on policy, he's a failure.
So he has to rely on these sorts of stunts to get people to like him.
And the media find it so fascinating.
So they forget days before the election what really matters.
But to be clear, you did.
Let's be clear.
You just said you found him likable.
I don't find him super likable, but I understand why a photo shoot like this appeals to people.
That's exactly what he's trying to do.
Distract from the fact that days before an election, he's promising to go after his political enemies with this enemies from within sort of comment.
Distract from the fact that he's the most anti-democratic presidential candidate we've seen in American politics.
Distract from the fact that hundreds of economists are saying that Trump's plan would harm the economy.
Okay, let me bring in Larry.
Larry, your responsibility.
Well, you're talking to somebody whose father whose father used to clean toilets for a living, save his nickels and dimes, and started, what, a cafe where he sold hamburgers.
So I was enjoying the moment.
Donald Trump is relatable.
He's likable.
Regular people who eat at McDonald's liked him.
And I think that's why people on the left are so upset.
I do find it interesting, though, that Kamala Harris has gotten a pass for saying she's worked at McDonald's and Donald Trump is being slammed for doubting it.
She's got a headline that said, Donald Trump, without evidence, there's no evidence she worked at McDonald's.
Trump hasn't demonstrated in any way whatsoever.
Trump has not brought forward anything.
No, she doesn't have to go back.
I don't have proof of every job I worked.
What was it in high school or college?
And she's not going to waste time right before.
But Luke, you don't think it's odd, but this is what Trump gets to do, though.
This is what Trump gets to do, though.
He gets to basically Luke.
Do you not think it's strange that she's been so specific?
She's named the branch that she worked at.
She's named the summer that she worked there, 1983.
And she said she was working on the ice cream stand, the French fry stand, on reception.
She was there for weeks on end throughout one summer, and not a single human being that came across her either working with her or a customer or anything has been.
I haven't seen a person come out and say, hang on, has any memory of this person who is now potentially about to become president of the United States?
I'm just smelling a rat here, and it's not a very pleasant smelling rat.
Do you remember the names and the faces of people who have served you at McDonald's?
I don't know if you're going to be able to do it.
I can tell you, if I was running for British Prime Minister, especially from 30 plus 20 years.
If I was running for British prime minister right now, I can guarantee I did some terrible jobs in my time.
I wish I'd been at McDonald's.
It sounds a great gig, but I did some awful stuff.
I shoveled mushroom manure one summer.
All the people that did it with me would remember and they would all pop up and they talk about it.
I mean, Dave Rubin, it just stretches credulity that here we are.
She's been saying this for several years now.
Nobody can remember her ever being at McDonald's, Dave.
Well.
Sure, but why don't we do something a little more substantive, whether than she's lying or not about her resume?
I mean, this is also a woman who's basically being installed as president as far as the Democrats are concerned.
So they're not that concerned with resumes.
What I'd rather talk about for a moment, since two of the guests mentioned minimum wage, is that the market should dictate what minimum wage is.
If you want to artificially tell McDonald's how much they have to pay people, so it should be $25 an hour, $30 an hour, whatever you want to decide it should be, well, congratulations.
McDonald's will then bring in iPads, which they are doing at airports and they're doing at restaurants all over the country right now.
And then nobody will have a job.
So the market dictates that.
That's not Donald Trump being mean.
That's not him hating people from lower economic classes or anything else.
But certain jobs only, the market dictates how much they're worth.
So unless you want 15 iPads in every McDonald's and one guy who comes in once a month who will probably be paid $20 an hour to repair those iPads or get the grease off them, you're going to fire an awful lot of people by telling the government that it should tell stores how much they should pay their employees.
The Fundamental Problem 00:02:56
Okay.
At least we're talking about substance.
Now I love this conversation.
Hang on.
I'm going to be Howard Time.
Please don't talk until I ask you.
Is this easy if I manage it?
I want to switch gears to Kamala's appearance of Fox News.
And Amisha, I'll start with you.
Let's take a little look.
This was SNL mocking that interview.
Let's take a look.
Thank you, Madam Vice President.
Now, when I interviewed President Trump, my first question was, what do you think is the most important issue facing our nation?
So my first question for you is, give me the exact number of murderers you let loose in this country.
Brett, I'm glad you brought up the topic of immigration.
A million, two million?
The first thing we did in office was to introduce a bill.
10 million, give me a number.
Brett, we came up with a bipartisan bill.
But you did have a number, though.
May I please finish?
I'm asking you to.
Well, then you have to listen.
Well, I can't because I'm talking.
Now, Amisha, aside from the strange spectacle of Alec Baldwin making his comeback, which I think feels a little too soon, perhaps, the nature of her going on Fox News, I thought it was quite a ballsy move to do it.
I've got to be reasonable credit to her for going on there.
It got a massive audience, the biggest audience of any interview in the whole presidential race.
Do you think it in the end, though, was a good or not so good move for her?
She came to do exactly what she did.
I think that pointing out Donald Trump's instigations of wanting to eradicate certain news networks, calling out individuals who he wanted to issue prosecutions of who have spoken out against him or who didn't support him.
She went on to do what she needed to do.
And I think that in terms of going on Fox, yes, it has a big audience, but she wasn't necessarily trying to draw in an audience that is largely Trump and MAGA supporters.
People know what Fox News is.
As much as she was going into the house that Donald Trump built in many ways, the same place that has been sued multi-million dollars over for lying about election fraud in the 2020 election, and she shook up their house.
That's what she intended to do during this campaign.
And then she walked off.
And I think that she did a very strong job of it.
It was not going to be a friendly space.
She knew that going in.
That just is what it is.
This was the first time she'd sat down with Fox during this entire cycle.
And I think that it made a difference because it showcased that she wasn't afraid to have the conversation, but also that she walked away, just rose like the Phoenix, as strong as she was when she walked in.
All right, Larry, I mean, I certainly didn't think she had a stunning success.
I don't think it was an abject failure either, but CNN's Van Jones, who's obviously very pro-Carmela, said the problem with it was she's still in persuasion mode when she should be in turnout mode.
I thought that was an interesting verdict on that.
Well, I agree with her.
The point was for her to go on Fox News, stand up, show she wasn't afraid, show she had the stones to stay on, to go to Fox News.
Biden's Costly Policies 00:09:25
The problem is much more fundamental.
Are you better off now than you were three and a half, four years ago?
The average family of four is spending $1,200 a month more for the same goods and services as that family spent three and a half, four years ago.
We're paying 50% more for gas than we were three and a half, four years ago.
That's the problem.
And that is why I believe she's going to lose.
Okay, Luke, you're shaking your head there.
Why?
Yeah.
What is this bizarre thing that MAGA is trying to force onto Americans, this collective amnesia?
We were in the middle of the pandemic four years ago.
Yes, we're better off.
And the very problems that people will cite to argue against the economic success of Biden-Harris are the numbers that are a direct outcome.
Be just a little bit honest for a moment, Dave and Larry, are a direct outcome of pandemic conditions.
A little bit honest.
If you can't accept that, if you can't accept that Trump was making deals with Saudi Arabia and Russia to cut oil production, that caused the spike going into Biden-Harris.
If you can't accept that Trump gave to Biden a crime spike, an economic collapse, a public health disaster, then you're not critically engaging with the last few years.
So yes, we're better off because we got out of a crisis better than any other person.
Dave Rubin.
All right, Luke, let Dave respond to that.
Well, there's so much there.
I mean, first off, it was the Democrats once Biden took over who made the pandemic situation much, much, much worse with mandates and forcing people out of work and forcing nurses out of work and everything else.
But let's put that aside because that's years ago.
How about we just deal with the last, say, two years where they printed a relentless amount of money?
And if you know anything about economics, if you ever did Economics 101 in college, if you print money, then it is going to cause inflation.
Your dollar will be worth less.
And that's why every single person watching this in the United States of America knows that when they walk into whatever grocery store they go to, whether it's to buy a dozen eggs or it's a pound of beef or bread, it is significantly higher.
And that is not, and Kamala is.
She has the lowest inflationary cost of anybody in the digital.
She wants more governmental control over the economy.
So everybody's going to be able to do it.
Quickly, just please answer this for me then.
Why is it that our economy, just by the objective metrics we use to measure economic performance, came out of the pandemic under Biden-Harris way stronger than our wealthy economy counterparts?
And then inflation, we got it down way faster.
This was a global phenomenon because of a global crisis that Trump mismanaged, thus exacerbated.
And you exploit the painful facts of that moment.
You exploit the painful facts of that moment for political purposes when even on your point about printing money, sure, absolutely the case that that'll cause inflation or contribute to it.
So then what do you say about as Trump was leaving office, him dumping, he added twice that of Biden to the debt, even if you exclude the pandemic, by the way, but especially including it.
And you want to push it all into Biden-Harris.
You want to exclude from Trump's record the pandemic era.
But Luke, here's the problem.
Biden Harrison is a very good thing.
It's ridiculous.
Luke, here's the problem.
You know, I'm not disputing some of what you said there.
What I would dispute, though, is you're not really countering.
Well, you're not really countering what Dave's central point is, which is most Americans, if not all Americans, if they think about what their weekly shop costs them today and compare it to the first few weeks, months of the Biden-Harris administration, it is indisputably a lot more expensive.
And in the end, I think if they lose the election, if Kamala Harris doesn't win and Trump wins, I suspect, as always, it will be that economic reality, which is not to say the American economy is not performing well compared to many other countries.
It is.
You are the number one superpower in the world.
But it doesn't change the fact that the cost of living for most Americans has gone through the roof in the last three and a half years.
It just has.
Totally, which is why it's a crying shame that people like Larry and people like Dave choose to mislead people about the cause of that because they won't even engage with the people.
Well, you don't want to put any blame onto your side.
And that's fine.
They can blame you as long as we're charged.
You can't keep blaming Trump for everything that happens.
Where is the green?
Let me bring in Larry.
Larry, it seems to me that one of the default positions of Kamala Harris right now and the Democrats generally is when in doubt, blame everything on Trump.
Even the economic record of your own administration is all Trump's fault.
Everything is Trump, Trump, Trump.
And I actually think that's a mistake.
I actually think they'd be much better off presenting a genuine plan for what they're going to do under a Kamala Harris first term as president than by just blaming everything on the boogeyman, Trump.
Agreed.
So Tucker, are we ignoring her entirely?
Larry, answer that, please.
He directed this towards me.
So may I respond?
Yes.
79% of people, according to a Marquette poll, believe we are on the wrong track.
Kamala Harris says, I was in the room for every major decision that Joe Biden made.
Joe Biden said we're singing from the same song sheet.
When she was asked, Kamala Harris, whether there's anything that she would have done differently, she said, nothing that comes to mind right now.
So she is stuck right there with that.
That's the problem.
Let me just say one thing before we leave this topic about the minimum wage.
I'm in California.
We just jacked up the minimum wage from $16 to $20 an hour.
And those of us who oppose that said that it's going to cost jobs.
The day the bill was signed, even before it went into effect, 1,200 drivers for Pizza Hut were laid off.
Since then, 10,500 fast food workers have lost their jobs, all because of this.
The very people that people on the left purport to care about, little people that work at McDonald's, lost their jobs.
Dave Rubin is right.
The private sector should determine the price of labor.
When you interfere with that, you're going to have all sorts of problems, including a greater incentive to automate.
Okay, Amisha, I want to bring in a new theme.
I want to play an ad.
It's a Kamala Age ad.
Let's take a look at this.
A Trump advisor told producers that Trump was exhausted and refusing interviews.
He would be the oldest president ever inaugurated if he wins in November.
He will not agree to a second presidential debate.
The former president was swaying and asked to play songs for about 40 minutes.
Donald Trump's public appearances have deteriorated.
The stomach is speaking.
Many Azeras.
I mean, the trouble with this, Amisha, is I thought that you liberals were the most tolerant people on earth.
And here you are being openly ageist.
Why do you hate old people so much that you're now mocking and denigrating poor Donald for being 78?
Do you want every 78-year-old American to feel they're worthless, Amish?
I think I've heard my name here.
Why are you being ageist, Amisha?
When the party, when the Democratic Party is working to reduce the cost of prescription drugs for older people, is working to engage and make sure that they're taking care of their parents.
Why are you mocking old people?
No, because you said that Democrats are mocking old people.
Telling you with Democratic policies, older people, elderly people are a lot more in a sustainable position than they ever would be with Republicans.
With that being said, Donald Trump is getting mocked because he's up there swaying left, right, and sideways.
He can't answer questions fundamentally.
He's telling us about some approach called the weave when he can't complete sentences and he's all over the place.
It is the Mincha Don in front of our faces.
And if the media could attack Joe Biden relentlessly after that poor debate performance, then why can we not go after Donald Trump when he is no longer agile, when he's no longer making sense, when he's swaying back and forth?
Okay, I'm going to bring Dave in.
He's calling himself the father of IBM.
I'm going to bring Dave in, but what I would say about that is it's pretty bloody rich of the Democrats, frankly, after hiding the state of Joe Biden for two years from the American people when he clearly has got onset early dementia.
It's pretty rich to play the dementia card at Trump, who basically does a two-hour rock show most nights on stage.
Dave.
I'll go further than that.
It's not two years that they hid this.
It's from before he was president.
I was doing videos in 2019 about this.
Whether he has dementia or Parkinson's or whatever, it is a fact that Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer and likely Barack Obama, but undoubtedly Kamala Harris, they got him in an office.
I'm talking about Joe Biden and they basically threatened him with the 25th Amendment, which is why he's not running anymore.
We know this is a fact because Joe Biden basically said that on the view that he still thinks he's capable and that he would have beat Donald Trump.
So why are you not running?
So they lied about everything and the absurdity, the patent absurdity, that you were going to say that Donald Trump, who the day, basically a day after being shot, is back out there, who is doing more interviews, mainstream, podcasts, everything else, bouncing around crazy rallies, as you point out, does two-hour speeches off the cup.
He answers every question.
I don't know if you guys saw it last week at Bloomberg when he did 20 minutes just on tariffs.
The guy, whether you like him or not, I get you guys don't like him, but whether he likes him or talk about tariffs.
You know what the guy thinks.
He's more than happy to explain it to you over and over again.
The idea that he now is too old after what they just pulled on Biden is so hypocritical.
I get politics is all about.
Cheney and the 25th Amendment 00:09:54
Let me play.
Okay, this one is off.
Hang on, Luke.
Hang on.
I want to play a test here.
I want to play a mashup of Trump's best gags from the Al Smith Catholic dinner night.
But I want Amisha and Luke to look at me and I want you to try and avoid laughing, right?
Which is what all Democrats have been trying to do.
So you're not allowed to laugh, all right?
Let's watch this.
Deal.
It's a true pleasure to be with you this evening.
Amazing pleasure.
And these days, it's really a pleasure anywhere in New York without a subpoena for my appearance.
I didn't like Biden very much, and now I like him quite a bit.
You know, it's and when we hopefully win, dispose of her.
I like her a lot, but right now I can't stand her.
Believe me, my normal crowd is younger, has a lot more energy.
But you have certain advantages too-like cash, lots of cash.
The only piece of advice I would have for her in the event that she wins would be not to let her husband Doug anywhere near the nannies.
Just keep him away.
That's a nasty one.
Hey, you think this is easy standing up here in Dover in front of half a room that hates my guts and the other half loves me?
Well, Amisha, you did better than Luke.
Luke, you were trembling there.
The bottom lit was going.
You couldn't stop yourself.
How can you not laugh at that stuff?
It's a roast.
It's really funny, right?
I got you.
I got you.
Wait, I got you.
What I was smiling about is I wasn't ready to see on the monitor that you were going to put this up there.
So it's funny.
But let me clarify.
People get in this argument of does Trump have charisma?
Is he funny?
Obviously, that's how he built the cult that he built.
I'm not concerned with the humor scale of a president.
I want someone with character.
So I agree.
Sometimes he says stuff and I laugh.
Sometimes it's because it's so incoherent and embarrassing that I'm laughing at him.
But sometimes he says a joke like some of them there and they're perfectly fine.
But that's not what determines a president.
And he can both be sort of a caricature and sort of silly while also last time he was president refusing to leave office until his illegal schemes failed.
Last time he was president, mismanaging a global crisis.
So can we talk about the substance?
While I'll acknowledge we don't have to ignore there are moments mostly because we're laughing at him where he's inducing laughter.
Yeah, I mean, Larry, I thought that Dave hit onto a really smart thing about this campaign, which is Trump has done a lot of this with very unconventional media.
A lot of young podcasts, a lot of stuff you would never expect a presidential candidate to go on.
He's been devoting a lot of time to this.
And I know why, because they have millions and millions of younger followers.
And if he can galvanize them to come out and vote, he's going to win.
That's right.
And let me suggest that the reason Kamala Harris did not go to the dinner is because when you call somebody a fascist and a notler and a Hitler and a threat to our republic, then you sit back and break bread and crack jokes with him.
It suggests that you really weren't serious when you said all those mean, nasty things about him.
And I think it undermined her argument.
That's why I believe she didn't show up.
He sits there, he makes fun with Chuck Schumer, talked to Chuck Schumer before and after, makes a joke about Chuck Schumer.
Apparently, they're able to get along okay.
Is he really the fascist and the Nazi and the threat to the Republic?
Wait, that the left?
He's fascist too.
So is he also doing that two-faced thing?
Because he laughed along with them and got along with them, even though he says we're going to end the country.
And if he doesn't win, the country's going to be a good idea.
Well, here's what I think, Lou.
I do think it was a massive mistake.
It was a massive mistake of her not to go to that dinner.
It just showed me she can't laugh at herself in public.
I just thought it was a ridiculous act of cowardice, frankly.
Amisha?
Wait, but Trump's the one who's a little bit more dangerous.
I don't think that that dinner made a darn bit of difference on the campaign trail.
I think that individuals, I don't think, yeah, he hasn't been to the White House correspondence dinner in years.
He never really went because he didn't want to be made fun of.
In Kamala's case, she's been the Democratic nominee since the DNC, which was what, a little over two months ago.
At the end of the day, she has a jam-packed calendar of events in the battleground states.
She's touching the flesh.
She's talking to people where they are.
She's making sense for the campaign she has to run, which is the shortest one we've ever seen in American history.
She is prioritizing the events that are already in her calendar.
And at the end of the day, even Donald Trump knows that the Al Smith dinner is not going to be the make-or-break dinner of this campaign cycle.
It's just not.
Okay.
Why don't I end by asking you all the same question?
Well, the betting markets have hit 59% now, Dave, on Trump prevailing in two weeks' time.
It's obviously very, very close.
We know that.
It's going to be very close.
But certainly in the swing states, you get a sense of slight momentum Trump's word.
You're certainly seeing Kamala Harris nowhere near doing as well in the swing states as Biden was in 2020.
What's your reading overview of where we are with this race?
Well, my take at the moment, Piers, you know my political evolution well.
I'm by no means a traditional conservative or even traditional Republican.
I wasn't a Republican most of my life.
I am since I moved here to Florida a couple of years ago.
But what's happening right now with Trump is that he has built a coalition around him with people that were Democrats.
Robert F. Kennedy, the name is the standard bearer for the Democrat Party.
Tulsi Gabbard, only a few years ago, running for president as a Democrat.
Elon Musk, who was a Democrat his entire life.
We're getting Hollywood celebrities and rappers, a whole group and athletes, MMA guys, people who are apolitical, who are no, but it's not about that.
See, it's that sort of dismissiveness that leads people to not liking lefties.
What you're seeing right now is a whole bunch of people who love America.
They love free speech.
They love free enterprise.
They love the founding of this country.
And they're realizing that Trump now is the vehicle to save this country.
It's either that or hyper-control over your life in every which way by a woman who I would say is the first artificial intelligence candidate in that she has been programmed to say things and she will say whatever she's programmed to do.
Trump is now showing that America can be wide and celebrated and wonderful and all of the things that made us the dream of the world over.
It is so rare and precious what we have in America.
And now Trump represents that restoration, which is why he's bringing together the widest coalition I've ever seen in my life.
Actually, listen, Luke.
There are different political states.
Hang on, Luke.
Let me think about that.
Hang on.
Hang on, please.
I'll come to all of you.
NATO was talking about NATO pooping themselves in the middle.
Wait your turn, please.
Luke, I mean, what Dave just said.
I'm not for America.
I'm not for NATO.
What Dave just said is correct in the sense he has got this strange, strangely powerful cross-section of people who were Democrats who have now come round to Trump.
I mean, Luke, right now, if I was a Democrat, I am panicking about the state of these swing state polls.
And that's where all the action is going to be.
Are you panicking?
They got Dick Cheney about a state of panic this entire time.
But I will say, I will say, until election day is over or however, you know, whenever we get the result back, of course I'm going to be panicked because of the stakes of this election, even if she had a large lead in the polls.
And so yes, for sure.
But I'd want to make sure we contextualize who Trump is.
Dave's talking about this Donald Trump that I'm really not familiar with because I agree, patriotism, loving America, being for America is super important, which is why I can't be a Republican, which is why hundreds of Republicans are coming out, prominent Republicans who worked in other Republican administrations to say Kamala Harris is the patriotic candidate, given that Trump was the devil.
Come on, Dave Cheney.
Come on, Dave.
Dave, I would love, if you want to talk, I do.
Dave Cheney, is Dick Cheney a good guy or a bad guy?
Is Dick Cheney a true guy or a bad guy?
Because I'm going to finish my point, whether it's the last thing I do.
Dick Cheney, good guy or bad guy, tried to get Pence.
Trump, come on.
Trump tried to get Pence, you remember?
To reject the electoral count.
Are you saying then, otherwise you'd have to denounce Trump for trying to do that, that Kamala Harris could just reject Trump certification?
Then I wouldn't have to worry about the election, right?
Well, no, I think Dave made a very good point, which is, do you think it was good for Kamala Harris?
Hang on, hang on.
Do you think it was good for Kamala Harris that Dick Cheney endorsed her?
Literally.
Congratulations, guys.
Literally the most movement to Democrats of the last 30 years.
Dick Cheney, Dick Cheney is not who I'm interested in in terms of the endorsement.
The Adam Kinzingers, the Liz Cheney, as much as I disagree with her, showing this is the party that understands number one principle dedication to the Constitution.
All right, Dave, please, listen.
All right, let me argue.
Hang on, let me argue.
Last charge, no, no, no.
Last point.
Last point.
I'm going to finish this last point.
I don't believe.
I believe in the founding of our country and how we should abide by the principles laid out there, like our Constitution.
Trump's the one who called for the termination of our Constitution.
So Dave trying to act like he's the party of pro-American values is absurd.
A massive fraud of this type magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution is what he posts on through social.
You can find the posts alive.
All right.
Let me go to the United States.
That person's not a pro-American candidate.
Larry, who's going to win the election?
I believe Trump's going to win the election because Kamala Harris is tied to Bidenomics.
She said Bidenomics is working.
As I said earlier, 79% of Americans believe we're on the wrong track.
People are paying way more for the cost of goods and services that they did four years ago, more for gas.
It is that simple.
Are you better off now than you were four years ago?
The only people that can say yes are illegal aliens.
Okay, Amisha, final word to you.
Who's going to win?
Our nation is hyper-polarized, so this is going to be a really tight election cycle all the way up to November 5th on election day.
But Kamala Harris has a much stronger ground game, and she's going to win.
I admire the confidence.
I don't share it, but I admire it.
Thank you to my excellent panel.
Really appreciate it, guys.
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