Piers Morgan, Gary Beekler, Will Jordan, Esther Craco, and James Barr dissect the 2024 Disney Snow White remake's failure, citing performative outrage over CGI dwarves criticized by Peter Dinklage and Rachel Zegler's controversial casting. The group debates whether Hollywood's rejection of toxic masculinity neutered James Bond into a generic hero and analyzes George Clooney's hypocrisy in urging Joe Biden to step down before defending him at Venice. Ultimately, the episode suggests modern celebrity culture prioritizes intersectional signaling over authentic storytelling, while financial motives drive Oasis's reunion. [Automatically generated summary]
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Adult Pretenders and Stereotypes00:13:10
I like to call them adult pretenders.
The president who did the most selfless thing that anybody's done since George Washington.
And I agree with Quentin Tarantino.
George Clooney is not a movie star.
We're here to discuss Snow White.
So what do you want me to say?
Because they replaced the dwarves with CGI abominations, pretending like Rachel Ziegler is the first of them all when she looks like Lord Farquard in the film.
Jacob's Bond has always been gay.
I don't know why you can't see it.
Because they're obviously recruiting for the next bomb.
I am available.
Well, when Disney executives signed off a big budget remake of Snow White and the Seven Dwarves, they probably thought it was a very safe bet for a company in dire need of a hit of time-honoured fairy tale beloved by millions, which spans generations, borders, and creeds.
What could possibly go wrong?
Well, it turned out just about everything.
Rachel Zegler, who stars as Snow White, condemned Prince Charming as weird and a stalker, adding that she hates the original.
Nice start.
Leaked photos from a set revealed that the seven dwarves had been sensationally axed, replaced by multi-racial, gender-non-specific, magical humans.
After Peter Dinkley said it was backwards to cast real dwarves as dwarves, even though he's made a whole career out of being a real dwarf who's played dwarves in movies and made millions doing it.
The usual suspects race to defend this bold and progressive gesture, but that particular tale ended with a shock twist.
I think you should live in the 1930s, actually, Piers, because that's where you belong, really, listening to what you were just saying then.
Also, I'm going to quote Warwick Davis because he said he finds it patronizing when people are offended on his behalf.
And you've just spent a five-minute monologue being offended on his behalf.
And I think that's ridiculous.
Well, let me bring in Dylan because Dylan is also offended and he happens to be a dwarf actor.
Yeah, and he was offended on his own behalf.
So it turned out I was right.
Disney responded to the growing controversy by delaying the movie for a year and replacing the magical humans with what looked like CGI garden gnomes.
They featured prominently in the first trailer.
It was dropped over the summer.
While audiences responded in their droves, In fact, the trailer has broken records.
More than a million people have disliked it on YouTube, making it one of the most hated previews in cinematic history.
The cherished fairy tale has become a grim morality tale for meddling Hollywood hacks.
Audiences watch movies to escape this kind of hectory, virtue signaling, the insanity of the modern world, not have it thrown in ladles down their throats.
We're here to debate all this and lots more to YouTube's most outspoken and popular commentators, Gary Beekler, who's aka no drotic, and Will Jordan, aka the critical drinker.
And here in the studio, I'm sensitive contributor Esther Craco and the occasional comedian James Barr, fresh from what he tells me was a very successful trip to the Edinburgh Festival.
I'll see if there's any evidence for that later.
But welcome to you all.
How are you, James?
You miss me?
Hello.
Did I miss you, Piers?
Not really.
And this whole Snow White thing is just performative outrage.
It is...
Actually, you're right.
I complete.
Do you know what?
We're going to start the new autumn season, if you like, of this, or the fall if you're watching in America, with a point of immediate agreement between me and Jones Barr.
Right.
That's exactly what this is.
It is performative bullshit.
No, it's performative outrage.
That is by Disney on your part.
And by Hollywood.
On your part.
Really?
Yes, absolutely.
Because this is a movie that was made in 1937 and is being remade in 2024.
And you sit here moaning about the differences between those two movies, like 1937 with the glory days.
What?
Well, what are you talking about?
Why are you offended by this movie?
Why do you think people are...
Because they replaced the dwarves with CGI abominations.
They are pretending like Rachel Ziegler is the first of them all when she looks like Lord Farquard in the film.
Somehow, Garbado, who's easily one of the top 10 most attractive women on the planet, is some evil, ugly stepmother, which she is not.
I don't know how she bursts out laughing.
None of you are the same.
Who's the first of them all?
And we're looking at the truth.
Yeah.
Let's bring in our two YouTube experts because, Critical Drinker, your YouTube video on the trailer has now been viewed nearly two and a half million times.
And you said the new dwarfs look is nightmare fuel.
Can you explain that for us, please?
Yeah, so what they've obviously tried to do is retain the artistic aesthetic of the cartoon from the 1930s, but transpose it into a live-action movie.
And it just looks horrific.
It's so out of place.
And when you see them dancing next to Rachel Zegler, who's an actual human actor, it just looks awful.
They don't match up.
They're deep into the uncanny valley.
It is the worst possible choice they could have made.
It would have been so much.
It would be so much easier if they just used actual dwarf actors.
I don't know why they haven't done that.
Why is no one offended about the new Lord of the Rings show on Amazon where they have actors, non-dwarf actors playing dwarfs?
Why are we not talking about that?
Why is no one offended about that?
Why are we just picking on Disney?
Well, I am now you mentioned it.
Yeah, you should be.
There's room for our limits.
There isn't, is there?
You're just fighting.
I'm excited about the whole show.
Because they're trying to do something different.
Hey, man, you want to talk to me about Rings of Pirate?
I will talk your ear off for hours.
But we're here to discuss Snow White.
So what do you want me to say?
No, no, exactly.
I want to bring in Nadroni because what this is really about is the fact that the people who are most angry about this are not people like me who were saying, well, why the hell are they doing this?
It's such crap.
It was actual dwarf actors who rely on movies like this, which literally are about Snow White and the Seven Dwarves.
They rely on that for really significant income.
If you're a dwarf actor and you land a part in one of these movies, you make a lot of money.
And yet suddenly it's been taken away from you.
That's what incenses me on their behalf.
Yeah, this is where political correctness paints itself into a corner every single time.
You find yourself with very strange bedfellows in this.
And it's not just the actors, it's Disney fans.
Disney fans are offended by Rachel Zegler's comments disrespecting the movie that made Disney.
And this is why there is 1 million dislikes on this trailer.
And it's a culmination of creative bankruptcy.
If this movie just existed on its own, it probably wouldn't be that much of a controversy.
But if you add a singular Peter Dinklage interview that cost dwarf actors their jobs and Zegler out there popping off and fanning the flames along with everything Disney's done over the last six years, you have Snow White.
Yeah, I mean, that's exactly the point.
But this is funny.
James, here's my point.
Here's my point.
If you had a gay-themed movie, right?
And it had potentially parts for six great gay characters, right?
Say there was a book and it had six great gay characters in it.
And there were lots of gay actors who would love to play those roles, right?
And suddenly it was decided that that could not happen.
That actually no gay actors would be allowed to play any of those roles.
You would be on here leading the charge of outrage that gay actors were being deprived work when it was literally in their wheelhouse.
And that's the argument which I don't think you're quite computing.
No, I can, and I agree with you.
I would be somewhat outraged, but I think there's something deeper going on here in that we're talking about stereotypes.
I'm normally offended if a gay person misses out on a gay role, if a straight person is playing a camp overtly gay stereotype.
Right, so why are you not offended for the dwarf actors?
Because I think what they're trying to do here is make it more inclusive.
Plus, also remember, it's a rigid story.
They're trying to put on those two stereotypes.
They're literally exclusive.
Why are we pretending that Hollywood is a fair place for actors?
It's not about that.
But this is the thing.
They didn't even...
Hold on.
They were basically cartoons.
They were cartoons in the original film.
Well, they've had a human actress.
So they have a human actress dancing next to six people.
But how far do we go with this faux outrage?
Are we going to start by letting actors act?
Because you are this.
Are we going to say that Yoda needs to be played?
People like you, that would be outrageous.
That if an actor is not gay, you shouldn't play a gay role when actors are literally paid to act.
So how about we just let actors act?
And if you're going to cast human beings as human roles, then you shouldn't replace them with CGI abominations.
I'm saying, I mean, by the way, this is a good idea.
If a dwarf actor is a bad person, you say a CGI abomination.
It's a breach.
It's a point.
It's a great abomination.
It actually is a bomb.
There are so many CGI movies and there are so many people that have played dwarves, that have been you.
They've used CGI to do that and no one's outraged.
You're just outraged because Disney are trying to make the world a better place and you want to live in 1937 it?
Nobody at Disney's making the world a better place man, and I don't know why you keep using the word outrage.
No one's outraged about this movie.
People are laughing at it because it's a joke.
It is a culmination of everything bad about modern movie making.
You've got a movie called Snow White And The Seven Dwarves that doesn't have dwarves in it.
You've got uh, the fairest of them all, who's who's put up against Gal Godor, and somehow Gal Gador is more is jealous of Rachel Zegler.
And you've got a story about the search for true love that's no longer about true love.
What is what even is this movie exactly?
It's a hollow vacuous.
And I can add one more.
I'll let Nadrotic do this, because there's a league scene that was shown at the recent uh.
D23 reveals that the modern, empowered Snow White won't even allow domestic labor being uh carried out by herself.
Instead, she orders the dwarves to tidy up themselves, even when they've had a hard day in the entire house.
I mean nadrotic, isn't this?
Taking the whole virtue signaling stuff to a ridiculous degree?
Absolutely, uh.
If you want to remake the movie, just remake the movie in live action.
No for no, it would probably be much better.
But it's so obvious now, because of the blight of intersectionality that's spread throughout our, our entire society, that we can't have uh, a woman holding a broom.
Now, not that Rachel Zegler would know what to do with the broom other than fly on it, but I, I mean, it's that's, that's what it is and it's predictable and it's what Drinker just said.
It's nobody's outraged, it's mockery and we all know the moment, we all know that, we all know I haven't seen it yet, but I would lay even money.
The moment Prince Charming moves in for the kiss while she's asleep, he gets arrested exactly arrested and taken off to Harvey Weinstein.
The original story is problematic.
Why is everyone ignoring?
Why should a woman walk into a seven blokes house, right?
Seven dwarves' house and clean it for them.
It's their house.
I don't care how long they've been working.
Do the cleaning yourself.
Why should Philly safe for them?
Waiting down a mine all day.
Why isn't she down the mine?
Well, they shouldn't be.
Hold on, hold on.
What about gratitude and being a decent person?
They're letting her stay there for free.
And by the way, how dare you stigmatize cleaning as a job?
I'm just saying that it's weird that you're not.
A lot of cleaners watching this show thinking, wow, really?
You're saying that it's beneath her?
I actually haven't.
No, I'm saying that everyone should clean, especially the person that owns the house.
Are you saying it's demeaning for a woman to clean the house?
I'm picking up what I say.
I'm letting you know this out of the way.
If I ever let you go.
You are cleaning.
And just to make matters even worse, Critical Drinker, we then had Rachel Zegler, who'd already been gobbing off left, right, and center, causing endless problems.
She then shared the trailer on social media and added free Palestine, despite the fact that her co-star, Gal Gaddo, is Israeli.
So you can imagine what that's done.
That's just poured kerosene all over the place.
Does she even know what that is?
Yeah, the promotional tour for this movie is going to be wild, man.
When you get them two together.
Yeah, I don't know why she felt the need to do that.
If there's one thing you want to do, particularly when you're someone like Rachel Zegler, who's already in hot water, just stay away from politics for a little while.
Just try and promote your crap movie and try and salvage something from this mess.
But I guess you just couldn't do it.
Daniel Craig's Masculinity Debate00:08:54
The odd thing is, actually, Nadrotic, that Disney have just had a monster monster hit this summer, haven't they?
Yeah.
Two.
They've had two.
They've had actually a pretty good year.
If you think about it, Planet of the Apes, most with Fox properties, but Planet of the Apes did okay.
Aliens is doing, Alien Romulus is doing pretty good.
Inside Out 2 was the biggest movie of the year.
And you know what none of them did?
And Wolverine is still crushing it?
Right, and none of them went down this stupid road, right?
In other words, when Disney just does what we want Disney to do, which is make great movies.
I think Disney's a great company, historically, a fantastic company.
And it's done some great stuff this summer.
Just do what you're good at.
You don't need to do this stuff.
If you just brought out a movie with Snow White and dwarf actors, everyone would have gone, great.
That's the movie we want to see.
It wouldn't have been a problem.
No.
It wouldn't have been a problem.
Disney helps fan the flames because they're so risk-averse and they're so afraid of looking bad to one part of the audience.
They don't give a crap about the majority of the audience who are just normal people who want to go and be entertained and escape.
Exactly.
They're so people.
Yeah, it'll be a bomb.
I can guarantee it.
I want to shift to something else, which is we're going to play a setup quote for this.
A Venice Film Festival taking place this week.
One of the big movies premiere there is called Queer, starring Daniel Craig.
Very annoyed on your behalf, James.
You didn't get the nod for that.
Don't see why Daniel Craig, a straight guy, got the role when you're out there.
He is hotter than that.
Talking about a stereotypical job made in someone's name, queer.
He plays a lonely, middle-aged gay character obsessed with a much younger gay man in 1940s, Mexico.
The reviews have been brilliant.
Apparently, Craig is fantastic, even though he's a straight guy.
Hang a gay guy.
There we go.
Something man can be great.
It's a shame you're not.
But the contentious point is this.
At the press conference, yesterday, the press wants to know the answer to the question whether Bond could ever be gay.
Let's watch.
Do you think there could be a gay James Bond?
Guys, let's be adult in the room for a second.
There is no way around the fact that nobody would ever know James Bond desires.
Period.
Having said that.
Sorry?
We don't know James Bond desires.
He's the single straightest guy in the history of mankind.
There's never been any suggestion by Ian Fleming, the author, or by the Broccoli family or anybody else that he was anything or is anything other than a 100% red-blooded straight guy.
Is anyone really a 100% red-blooded straight guy?
Yes, man.
We know that's sure.
We know you don't go into anything.
Because I look at you and feel zero urges.
But I'm only one gay.
You know, there's a lot of different gay people out there.
One of them might take your fancy.
Maybe you're on Google having a little flutter in some bisexual pornography people.
And that would be absolutely fine.
We don't know what Daniel Craig is.
We do know James Bond.
Have you seen his wife?
We don't know.
It's categorically impossible.
You can have a wife and still fancy.
Have you seen her?
It's very normal.
It's categorically impossible that he sleeps every night next to that woman and is somehow.
Let me bring in Nadrofi.
Seriously, surely the obvious answer is no.
Obviously, no.
Bond can't be gay, right?
No, Bond can't be gay.
And unfortunately, nowadays, Bond can't be Bond.
Any kind of masculinity is considered toxic masculinity.
And I mean, it's arguable with Daniel Craig.
But I would say this is just, this is just the, this is just the access media again, trying to get headlines of this.
Bond can't be gay.
And I would just say, go ahead and make it.
If you think you feel that strongly about it.
I've never seen Cena's toxic masculinity.
Can you just explain that?
Oh, that's an interesting thing to say.
And I don't believe it.
Yeah, no, far away, Nadroi, because I can definitely help you there.
Because in the last movie, he was basically a massive drip.
I would use a stronger word, but massive drip we can use.
He was walking around being subservient and then decided to do the noble sacrifice, although he was perfectly healthy and could have run 100 yards to the right, walked into a missile to die for toxic masculinity.
And that's why the Bond films have gone.
Bond died for the rest of your sins.
And how many women did he actually seduce?
Literally seduce.
Plan to commit many more.
He's not allowed critical drinker.
He's not allowed to seduce women.
No.
Because of me too.
No, because they spond that Cena seduce women.
I think it's dangerous to suggest that you're only a man if you're seducing women.
There's a lot more going on.
I don't think that's this suggestion because Bond is a very particular kind of man.
He is.
They cannot easily sedict him.
And he is not allowed to get them.
He's not allowed to seduce women anymore.
Also, these women are not.
He has very little skill in seducing men.
These women in Bond's films, they are drag queens.
They're very simple.
Let's be honest.
Pussy Galore is a drag name.
Like, Bond is a drink.
Pussy Galore is not that drag queen name, if ever.
No, drag artists have taken those names and stolen them.
Ridiculous.
Pussy Galore was called.
These queens.
James Bond has always been gay.
I don't know why you can't see it.
You see, this is the shot, doesn't it?
It's categorically impossible.
Yeah, it's...
Opposite Halley Berry's.
But more importantly, Esther, Esther, would you ever watch a Bond movie if he was turned out something to be no, because that's not...
Anyone who's read the books knows that James Bond is.
I'm sorry.
He's the ultimate man.
He's smooth.
He's charismatic.
He's a ladies' man.
He's very intelligent.
He's very strong.
He is easy.
He's a quintessential man.
He's actually a ladies' man.
You know what's interesting to me?
He's an heterosexual man.
You're allowed to be a ladies' man.
It's allowed.
Let's put it this way, right?
Let's put it this way.
James.
Because by the way, you know what's interesting to me.
Why does it matter that he's not?
Hang on.
Hang on.
I'm going to bring in Critical Drinker here.
He's going to say that.
You know what's really interesting is Daniel Craig in Queer the Movie plays this lonely middle-aged gay guy who apparently runs around screwing everything that moves, right?
So he's a man's man.
He's a guy's guy, right?
But the moment you call James Bond, who is the great serial seducer, a ladies' man, he, James Barr, enraged.
Enraged.
But if a gay guy in a movie about a gay race runs around having lots of sex with lots of gay guys, that's fine.
It's very enraged.
That's enraged by you suggesting that James Bond is only masculine because he's having sex with loads of women.
That's part of it.
Maybe that's one small part of the world.
He kills the bad guys.
He has sex with lots of women.
He drinks.
He drinks.
Awful.
Yeah, shake it.
He cannot stand that character.
Maybe bring it to the audience of the critical drinker.
I think we have neutered Bond to the extent where it would not surprise me if he came out in the next movie.
Pretty much, yeah.
And the result is he's not a character that people aspire to anymore.
He's not an interesting character.
He's just generic action hero who's not even particularly good at it.
Daniel Craig never seemed particularly invested in playing Bond, and he always seemed reluctant to do it.
He always seemed like he resented the aspects of Bond's personality that made him who he was.
And so I'm not surprised that he's happy to go along with this.
I mean, ultimately, it was the director of that movie rather than Daniel Craig himself who was answering the question about Bond being queer.
But he was happy to just shut up about it, I suppose.
Let me give you the checklist for Bond, because they're obviously recruiting for the next Bond.
I am available, right?
And the checklist should be very straightforward, right?
He's got to be a red-blooded, heterosexual bloke who likes having sex with a lot of women, doesn't like being held in a comedy relationship.
He's open about that.
He smokes nice cigars, probably Monte Cristo's.
He likes to drink bourbon or he likes to drink, you know, his vodka martinis, whatever it is.
He likes to drive fast cars, Aston Martins.
He likes to do daredevil things on motorbikes and helicopters and other things like that.
Hangs out with people with drag queen names.
And he likes to kill the bad guys to save the good people from extinction.
So in the interview, Barbara Broccoli is going to sit down and go to the bottom of the middle.
That sort of thing.
That sort of thing is not allowed to be aware of it.
Donald Craig took him in the last movie.
It's to someone who basically starts crying every five minutes.
It's not that to Zeus woman, right?
And has to be a single thing.
It's so dangerous to sit here.
He can't smoke because he's right.
I guarantee you.
I guarantee you not drinking women.
Yes, it is bad for everyone's health.
And it's so dangerous to sit here with millions of people watching this, Piers, and say that to be a man, you have to shag women, smoke cigars.
That's what you're suggesting.
No, no, I said to be James Bond.
Joe Biden Celebrity Double Standard00:10:28
You have to.
Why are we?
That is the character that Ian Fleming created.
It's dangerous to want to shag women and smoke cigars.
What are you talking about?
He's not going to be shagging many women.
He's crying.
I'll say that for you.
I would guess that any spy worth their salt would shag whoever they needed to to get information, though.
Isn't that how being a...
So what?
Now James Bond has to sleep.
Yeah, he can sleep with whoever he wants.
It doesn't matter.
Like, he doesn't need to be a ladies' man.
But the point is, he's not allowed to.
Because people like you.
The character does need to be a ladies' man, though.
Of course he does.
Honestly, I would say that.
Modern Hollywood.
By the way, did you ever see a Bond girl complaining?
Did you ever see a Bond girl complain about the way you treated her?
All I'm saying is maybe James Bond wants to take a gold finger.
I can say this as a woman's family.
James Bond has slept with a man.
Absolutely.
You've been to the Edinburgh Festival too a lot of times.
There's no redeeming that.
Let's get things back up Australia now.
George Clooney.
So let me start with you here, Nedrillik.
George Clooney at the same Venice Film Festival suddenly decided he would speak for the first time because he was asked about the op-ed piece he wrote for the New York Times.
It was about two weeks after the infamous debate that Joe Biden did with Donald Trump, where obviously the world saw what I've been writing about for two years, which is unfortunately Joe Biden is now having a performance analysis and incapable of being president.
And George Clooney, who'd been a longtime friend of Joe Biden, who'd received awards from Joe Biden, who'd hosted a fundraiser in Los Angeles, literally about 10 days before the debate, in which he lauded Biden on stage as one of the greatest things is sliced bread.
He then wrote an op-ed lacerating him, saying he cannot be the nominee going forward or the Democrats will lose.
He's too old.
It's sad and blah, And he hadn't been asked about this until the Venice Film Festival.
And he was asked, and people started clapping about the fact he'd been such a hero.
And Clooney did this.
Really want to know what you think was the impact of the op-ed you wrote for the New York Times asking President Biden to step down, which he eventually did.
You know, I've actually never had to answer that question, so I suppose I'll do it here.
The person who should be applauded is the president who did the most selfless thing that anybody's done since George Washington.
You know what's hilarious, Dedrotic, about this?
Is that there was nothing selfless about what Joe Biden did in standing down.
He was told by Nancy Pelosi that we can do this the easy way or the hard way was the exact quote that was reported.
In other words, you're gone, sunshine, and we either do it easily where you stand aside or we put the knives in your back like Julius Caesar.
She was one of the stabbers.
Clooney was Brutus to Georgie Baby.
And there he has the gall in front of the world to say, you know, all the applause should go to this heroic, selfless man for suddenly deciding he had to stand aside like George Washington.
Now, for historians watching, George Washington stood down after serving two terms.
He was the first American president, the founding president of the United States.
He served two terms and he decided himself not to serve a third.
He thought it'd be good for democracy not to, even though he would have won quite comfortably.
That was the situation for George Washington.
Joe Biden was forced out of his second potential term before he could even start it by a bunch of Democrats led by George Clooney and Nancy Pelosi and others because they knew he couldn't win.
So completely different.
So the comparison was absurd.
But I'm really focused here, Nedronic, as you're a movie guy, to see a movie superstar like George Clooney being so breathtakingly hypocritical.
The guy who literally plunged the metaphorical knife into Biden's back, suddenly wanting us to think he was, you know, this was a selfless, wonderful act and he's the new Washington.
Did it make you as sick as it did me?
Yes.
And I like to call them adult pretenders because that's what they are.
They're professional adult pretenders.
And I agree with Quentin Tarantino.
George Clooney is not a movie star.
I don't think he's put in any butts in any seats, but he definitely has influence as a celebrity.
And it shows you how friends are in Hollywood and Washington, which are essentially the same place and it's just as scripted.
They're not friends at all.
And for him to come out and run the party line that was probably written for him, because I doubt George thought of that on his own, to say that, oh, he did the most selfless thing by stepping down.
And now we're saying everything like he's old and tired and practically as we've had a zombie for our presidency as a president for the last four years.
And those of us who were saying it were demonized, but now it's totally okay to say it.
There's a lot of that going on this year by that.
It's been utterly breathtaking.
Esther, this is where I have a real problem, right?
If George Clooney just owned it, if he just said, you know what, actually, my personal relationship with Joe Biden was not as important for me as the future of democracy in the United States and the party and winning the election was more important to me.
If he said that, I would really respect him.
I actually think he was right, by the way, in what he wrote in his op-ed.
Where I think I find it stomach churning is to now play this whole, Joe Biden was the greatest president of Washington.
Yeah.
And he selflessly fell on his sword.
No, he didn't.
I mean, I think we need to start making a mental note of people like George Clooney because I don't think for a second that he didn't know about Joe Biden's senility.
I think everyone that was around him.
Everyone that was in his circle knew that this man was going gaga and decided to play along until it became so surprising that for some reason the leader of the free world can hardly tie his own shoes.
So I think we need to make a mental note, but also we need to remember that celebrities, I don't know why we pedestalize them.
When you have the DNC sort of event where they're like, they have the operers and all these celebrities thinking, yes, we are going to coronate the next leader because we know so much.
You have to remember celebrities don't live the same lives as the rest of us.
They don't pay the same taxes.
They don't have the same worries.
They don't know the average sort of worries of a normal person.
So we need to stop treating these people like mini deities.
George Clooney doesn't know anything about anything.
He just sits there and starts to sermonize about things that really are completely uncomfortable.
Well, look, to be fair to him, to be fair, to be aware of that.
I'll be a critical drinker in a moment.
To be fair, Clooney, I've known him a long time.
You know, he does have things he cares passionately about.
Sudan is one of them.
I've interviewed him about that with his dad.
He's a journalist.
He's definitely very committed with that.
He's been very committed to a number of causes.
But Critical Drinker, the problem here is it's not really even George Clooney wanting to pontificate.
He's a big Democrat donor.
He held a fundraiser and so on.
You know, people know his politics.
It's the hypocrisy of it all.
It's the fact that he's now trying to be the big cheerleader for the guy he's literally just assassinated.
I think it's all about presenting a unified front.
And if he was to sit there and rubbish Joe Biden and say, like, hey, should we check in on him, make sure he knows that he's even dropped out of the race at this point?
You know, it's going to create a bad look.
And so it all has to be this unified wall of positivity that they put out to the world.
Yes, Joe did the selfless thing.
Give him a round of applause.
And now let's put all of our support behind the next candidate before they drop out or we decide someone better needs to replace her.
You know, that's all it is.
It's presenting that positivity towards the world.
What was great was at the DNC, you saw them all carrying I love Joe banners and they cut to Nancy Pelosi who had a I love Joe banner and was trying to say the words but they weren't really coming out very naturally.
And then it turned out, the next day it was reported Joe Biden's refused to talk to her since she stabbed him in the back and I very much suspect that, despite being compared to George Washington preposterously, that Joe Biden has probably not talked to George Clooney since either.
And why should he?
They just ended his career and stopped him running again.
It's the double standard is what gets me.
I don't really mind them.
If they want to take a political position fine, but don't be a hypocrite about it own it, own your assassination, which is what they did.
James Barr, you were almost looking like you were agreeing with.
I was agreeing with Esther because I thought it was an important point that celebrities are not normal people, because I find it the most alarming thing about people supporting Trump is that they talk about him like he's a normal person, but he's not.
He's a celebrity.
So he's just as bad as any politician, if not worse than a politician, because he's a celebrity and celebrities I don't think I think I agree here can't really be trusted.
So it's odd when people say oh, he's a normal guy just like me, when actually he's just, he's actually a celebrity.
I would say in my experience a lot of celebrities can be trusted more than politicians, right?
I'm not sure.
I think they're the same kind of thing and we live in a world also where politicians are almost by automatic website, exactly they are celebrities.
Look at a politician and say oh, they're a normal person just like me.
Yeah, but I mean The audacity of someone like Katy Perry being like, Oh, I'm Katy Perry, by the way, vote for Joe Biden.
You are thinking it's the same as when Obama came in.
It's when Obama came together.
It's the idea that they're somehow better informed as well.
People's backs up.
Critical drinker, you want to say?
Yeah.
Yeah, it's the idea that they're somehow better informed than the rest of us mere mortals as well.
Gary summed it up perfectly.
They call them adult pretenders.
Like, you read lines off a script, you pretend to be someone else for a living.
Why should I give a shit what your political opinions are?
Why do you get like the deciding say over what I'm saying?
This is why I think Taylor Swift.
You don't understand me and you don't understand the real world.
This is why I think Taylor Swift is pretty good at the way she handles herself because she doesn't necessarily say who you should or shouldn't vote for, but she will disagree with certain policies like she has done with Trump.
Which I think is, I think it's fine, but she won't say who to vote for.
And particularly now, she has a big burly boyfriend from the NFL, which is a sport watched by a lot of Trump voters, right?
So you're not going to see her, I'm absolutely convinced.
I think we might hear from her before the election.
You don't think the DNC were begging her to appear at the convention?
Of course they were.
She doesn't need the money.
They can't bribe her.
So I remember a big Hollywood star when I was having a big old run in with the NRA at CNN about guns.
And I remember a massive Hollywood star pulled out of an interview with me.
I won't say it was, but I respected him.
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He rang me and he said, look, I really want to do your show.
He said, but you're being so strident about this in one particular way.
I have a massive following.
He's an action movie hero.
I have a massive following in Middle America where a lot of people own and like guns.
And right now, it would be difficult for me to come on your show because you're being so.
And I respected him for saying that.
I said, I get it.
We'll do it.
We'll do it when things have calmed down a bit.
And I'm not.
I respect that kind of honesty.
But also, I respected his own position, which I don't want to align on either side publicly here.
I've got people that like my movies who are Democrats and people who are Republicans.
Why should I piss half of them off?
You don't need to.
Yeah.
You know, the smart ones don't.
Tom Cruise doesn't talk politics.
I mean, he's a bit of a whack job when it comes to Scientology, but he doesn't talk politics for a reason.
It's why everyone loves Google's movies.
And if you notice, there's a bit of a generational divide.
So it tends to be younger actors like the Rachel Zeglers and the Amanda, whatever her name is, that don't care about ticking people off.
They just talk because they think, oh, I'm part of this new kind of ordained class in Hollywood and everyone loves me.
Actually, Hollywood is about the money.
So if you piss off enough people and you become radioactive, they will drop actors understand that.
Dow Ghetto, I can't ever forgive or forget the Imagine video during the pandemic, where she got a bunch of multi-millionaire celebrities to sing about Imagine No Possessions from their mansions where they were in lockdown.
It's like, do me a favor.
And none of them could sing anyone.
That was one of the most singers.
Yeah, we can all agree on that, right?
It was an outrage.
Let's put your music.
We're just going to wrap it up.
But talk about Oasis, who are getting back together after a very long, very angry, noisy feud.
Do Americans buy into the Oasis hype as much as we do over here right now?
No.
Oasis is huge in the UK, and there's a lot of people who like them here.
And there was a lot of people who are excited.
But this is just, I mean, having seen so many bands get back together and the state that music's in, it's probably a perfect time for them to come back together because music's awful right now.
Pop music is terrible.
How dare you.
My daughter loves Sabrina Carpenter.
I can't say it about her again.
Absolutely not.
This is just typical, oh, the women are taking over nonsense.
They're not talented.
I'm sorry.
No, I don't.
It's not great.
Who said anything about women?
I said, music by men and women suck, right?
It just completely sucks right now.
And it's all hyper pop music.
How many stadium bands are selling out stadiums?
None, it's all bands.
We know the best theory.
Yeah, the best theory I heard actually is apparently from next year is when Oasis can sell their catalogue.
So a lot of these big rock bands are selling their catalogue for hundreds of millions of dollars to record companies so they can own the rights.
Noel obviously wrote almost all of Oasis' songs.
So he stands to make potentially up to half a billion if they sell the rights to the sell all the rights away.
And it was put to me, and it's a good theory.
The reason they finally swallowed it with each other's hatred for each other is if they get back together, it's the biggest possible platform to put your music back out there to add the value of the catalogue.
And they probably missed just playing in front of 100,000 people going nuts.
And the sales of the tickets were insane.
Critical Drinker, are you an Oasis fan?
Did you join the Stampede?
Are you angry that the ticket system was such that if you did get through, your something got scammed for 300 quid a ticket?
No, I didn't join the Stampede because I knew that you were going to have to journey to Mordor and back and like undergo like 100 different trials just to get in the queue to order a ticket for like a massively inflated price.
So I didn't even bother.
I did, I liked them back in the day.
Like they were huge when I was in high school.
So if you'd asked me to pick a band, hey, it'd be nice, you know, which one would you like to see get back together?
Oasis probably would have been top of the list.
So it's kind of interesting to see.
But yeah, it's just another old act from like decades ago that are now making a comeback because no one cares about most of the modern stuff.
I think that's right.
Certainly in terms of live performing.
I mean, that's the point, James, isn't it?
I mean, Oasis are a fantastic live band.
They've got great melodies.
Great melodies.
Did you really just say that?
They do have great melodies.
They do.
Would you go to an Oasis?
Absolutely not.
No, I have no interest.
But you wanted a straight pride, and this is it, Piers.
So I hope you'll be going.
Do you know what?
Yeah, it's about time.
Why not?
Yeah.
Why not?
I mean, I do think so.
Why don't we have a straight pride month of shows, including led by Liam and Noel?
They're also just a bit...
I mean, Liam's definitely said some homophobic stuff in the past.
Well, here's him with one of his big fans, me.
We met at a wedding there, actually.
And I'm only putting that up there because I don't want Liam to forget when it comes to the friends and family VIP tickets, which I'm sure he'll be allocating very carefully.
I'd like to remember those special moments we shared at that wedding, Liam, because I'm mad for it.
You could probably afford to buy a ticket, Piers.
Why don't you buy one?
Because I'd rather get a freebie.
Tasty rich, James.
Tasty rich.
Why buy anything in life if you can get a freebie?
I mean, let's be honest.
Thank you very much, everybody, for joining me.
That was a great comeback panel.
Cheers.
Much appreciated.
Although it kills me to admit this, apparently James's show was quite successful in Edinburgh.
Yes, it was.
So hopefully.
There's lots of people there.
Hopefully you'll be so successful that we won't be able to afford you soon.