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July 11, 2024 - Uncensored - Piers Morgan
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20240711_biden-or-trump-on-resolving-israel-gaza
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Democrats Face Dementia Crisis 00:09:05
Would you think the Democrats may actually try and tough this out and keep him there?
Yeah, it's possible that they're stupid enough to do that.
Eight out of 10 Americans think that his brain isn't working.
From day one, Biden's Iran policy team has been an absolute train wreck.
Their lack of enforcement of sanctions has contributed to the destabilization and the deaths of Arab Muslims throughout the Middle East.
And Cenk, interestingly, I never hear you speak about that.
Someone like Joe Biden, a lifelong self-described Zionist, to call him a Palestinian.
It's like when the Republicans used to say Obama was too soft on foreign policy while he was starting wars in Libya and Syria and Yemen and escalating the war in Afghanistan.
It's just totally removed from reality, totally tone-deaf.
The war in Gaza has turned U.S. politics inside out.
Israel used to be a Democratic cause.
Now the base has clearly shifted its priorities and sympathies to the Palestinians.
Many young voters on college canvases are furious with President Biden's unfettered backing for Israel, as they see it.
Muslim voters in the key swing state of Michigan may abandon him too, but where will they go?
Many Republicans who spent years raiding against support for Ukraine are among the loudest backers for military aid to Israel.
Like most other policy decisions and discussions at the moment, the president's senility has eclipsed the current political importance of his debate.
But nine months into the war, and as Biden hosts a NATO summit, we're asking which candidate stands to gain or lose the most from chaos in the Middle East.
And more importantly, who's most likely to fix it?
To debate this, I'm joined by Cheng Yuga, who's the founder and host of The Young Turks, Craigie U political commentator Javier DeRusso, and Dave Smith, libertarian commentator, host of the Part of the Problem podcast.
Well, welcome to all of you.
Chen, let me first of all just ask you about where we are with this situation with President Biden.
Do you actually think, and I've seen your posts on X about this, and I share your views.
It just seems incomprehensible to me that they would try and persist with him as a nominee.
But do you think the Democrats may actually try and tough this out and keep him there?
Yeah, it's possible that they're stupid enough to do that.
It's a guaranteed loss.
Eight out of 10 Americans think that he's not mentally well enough to be president.
Just let's be blunt about it.
That means eight out of 10 Americans think that his brain isn't working.
And we're going to run that guy.
Guaranteed 100% loss.
So the reason now that Democrats are thinking that way is because they've taught both their audience, the voters, and themselves, the number one test of a Democrat these days is obedience.
So you must follow what moronic Democratic leaders say, no matter what they say, and no matter if their brain is working, not working, they're functioning, they're alive, they're not alive, it doesn't matter.
So what they're going to do is they're going to pull a Feinstein on a massive scale and hand the election to Donald Trump.
Look, I'm not saying that that die is cast.
I still believe that Joe Biden is going to drop out at some point because it's untenable.
It's totally, utterly untenable.
He will capsize the entire Democratic Party.
But they're so cowardly that at this late date, the House and the Senate are meeting today, Piers, and it looks like they're leaning towards backing Joe Biden, which is potentially, you know, the end of the Democratic Party.
They're going to get landslided by Donald Trump, a blithering idiot.
And that's the situation the Democrats find themselves in.
We'll be joined now by American Israeli Journalist and Commissar Emily Schroeder who's joining the panel.
Emily, welcome back to Uncensored.
Is it in Donald Trump's interest that Joe Biden stays in his job?
Because it seems to me he's about as lame duck as any incumbent president could possibly be.
Trump's whole body language, his whole rhetoric since the debate has almost been a desperate plea for Biden not to lose his gig.
I mean, I think it's pretty clear from the performance of President Biden in the debate that what would be in Trump's best interest is Biden continuing to run.
I'm really not sure why there's so much opposition, even within the Democratic Party, not to pull his nomination.
I mean, if there's any way that they should do it from a perspective of the Democratic Party, they absolutely should.
He's not a good candidate.
He wasn't a good candidate before.
They have tried to cover this up, and certainly it's playing into Donald Trump's hands.
Yeah, I mean, Javier, I just find this such an extraordinary situation where most people I've talked to on either side, Republican, Democrat, Independent, actually, anyone, seems broadly in agreement that Joe Biden has clearly got some form of dementia.
Most doctors I've talked to say the same thing.
And yet, as things stand, as the rules are applied, unless he voluntarily steps aside, then he will be the one that goes to the ballot box in November.
You know, it's pretty obvious what Joe Biden is going through.
He is a man of a very particular age.
He's getting way up there, and all the signs are very obvious.
If you at this point are denying that Joe Biden is not mentally equipped to be in office, then you're just being delusional at this point.
I feel like every Democrat that I've talked to about this as well is concerned.
They're mortified that this is their representation.
I'm mortified as a Republican knowing that this is our current president, and it has nothing to do just with his policies.
It has everything to do with the fact that he is weak.
He is frail.
He is old.
I worked in a nursing home for three years back when I was in high school and college.
I worked in the dementia wing, and I see a lot of the onsetting symptoms of someone with severe dementia.
It's concerning.
It feels like elder abuse.
And really, the Democrats are insane if they let him stay in this position.
Dave Smith, I mean, do you agree with this?
Yeah, of course.
I mean, look, I'm sure all of you guys, when you were kids, you probably read The Emperor's New Clothes.
And I remember reading it as a kid and never really thinking it was that profound of a story.
It was just kind of fun.
But now I'm like, I got to go back and study up on whoever wrote that.
This is the truth.
You're right.
It is exactly that.
Well, look, and this has been obvious.
I've been covering this on my show since 2019.
I mean, it was obvious when he first started running the first time that he had severely declined from his days as vice president.
And after, I mean, let's just be blunt, it was the worst debate performance in the history of televised presidential debates with no close second.
There's never been anything like this before.
I completely agree with Jenks that he cannot survive this.
And even if you could, even if there was a possibility that you could come back from a debate like that, the problem that Joe Biden has is that now there's even more of a magnifying glass on every single senior moment that he has.
And who here really believes he can get through the next four months without having looked at the first interview he did to reassure people that he is cognitively capable of doing this, he started slurring his words in the first 30 seconds.
It's done.
Right.
I mean, the real problem he has, Dave, is that he's now getting the forensic treatment from the mainstream media that for the last eight years they've devoted to Donald Trump.
I mean, Trump's hardly getting mentioned in all this.
And you've suddenly seen a massive sea change of a liberal skewed media who's always been very kind of supportive quietly and sometimes not so quietly towards the Democrats and towards President Biden, turning on a dime the moment that debate ended.
I'll never forget CNN that hosted a debate, John King, one of the most sort of down the line, moderate guys you'll meet.
You know, he's completely non-partisan on air, absolutely losing it about what he'd just seen.
And that was the moment I realized we watched a piece of history, and it really was the worst debate performance in history.
And it's kind of staggering to me, actually, Dave, that he's still there, that there hasn't been a concerted unified effort.
I mean, they're trying.
I mean, the New York Times has now done a second editorial calling him for him to go, but he doesn't seem to be prepared to either read or listen to it, or maybe he's not even able to take it in.
Yeah, well, I mean, the fact that his family is encouraging him to continue is just insane and really speaks to how kind of gross people they are.
I mean, who would want to do this to your own relative?
But look, the only thing I can compare it to, and I focus on, you know, the corporate media and how corrupt and dishonest they are for a living, but the only thing I can compare it to is when Black Lives Matter protests began in 2020.
And on a dime, the entire media who had just been saying you're not supposed to leave your house was all like, no, it's totally fine if you're protesting racism to leave your house.
It was surreal to watch.
Reality Check on Biden's Health 00:04:01
But to watch, look, we all know what happened.
It was so bad.
His debate performance was so bad that even CNN, even MSNBC knew that we cannot convince our audience that they didn't see.
Well, you know what it's done?
I mean, I've hosted...
Force the switch.
Yeah, look, I've hosted all you guys in the last nine months about the Israel Hamas War and so on.
I don't think I've ever had all of you on, probably not had this quartet before, but I've never had you all on a panel where everyone agrees about the same thing, right?
It must be an interesting topic if Tenk and I agree.
Well, I mean, that literally is the only thing in the world that could bring you two together in a moment of unity, which in itself is very damning, I would say, for Joe Biden.
Jenkin, let's just talk about the bigger picture here, which is that someone's going to be elected president come November.
And that person has some very big decisions to take.
One of which is how much more support does the United States give to Benjamin Netanyahu and his Israeli government if they're continuing to pound the Gaza Strip and the way they have been with all the enormous civilian loss of life.
Who would be better, do you think, for resolving this crisis?
Trump always says he can resolve all these things in a day and so on, as he has with Ukraine.
But who do you actually think would be a better bet as president going past November, well, past January, to actually get this sorted?
Yeah, no one.
Let me come back to that in one second, though, because I just want to say real quick.
You know, I ended an op-ed that I did for Media by saying, look, we said the emperor has no clothes.
The rest of the media said he did have clothes.
And what happened in the debate is that his proverbial pants fell off.
And it then became impossible to argue that he had clothes on.
He was naked.
He literally was naked.
I mean, my daughter came down.
She's 12 years old.
She came down halfway through because we watched it in the morning at like seven in the morning in London.
And she said, Daddo, is he asleep?
Literally pointed at the president of the United States.
She thought he'd gone to sleep.
And she knows who Biden is.
She knows who Trump is.
And she was completely transfixed.
She thought he'd literally gone to sleep.
Yeah.
Well, he has, in a sense, for the campaign.
And I predicted on the Young Turks, we showed it the day after, or just yesterday, that Morning Joe would turn around.
Even though on the 24-hour period after the debate, they said, obviously, he's got to go.
This is atrocious.
I said, no, Bluebagger will come in.
Propaganda will come in and Morning Joe will turn around.
And they did.
And now they're saying, oh, he's totally fine.
And they're back to the theater.
They're back to lying to you.
Dave and I disagree on a lot of things.
He's a libertarian.
I'm a progressive.
But we agree.
Corporate media is a total theater.
It's well, I've just written.
I've actually just written and posted a column for the New York Post about this very issue where I do think the behavior of the mainstream U.S. media towards Joe Biden and his health and his physical and mental capability for the highest office in the land has been an absolute national disgrace.
And I cite from my own columns for the post going back two years the number of times that I, a Brit, has had to say, this guy has clearly got dementia, right?
What are you going to do about this?
And every time I did, I would have a lot of blowback, especially on social media, from Democrats, high-profile ones, Mark Cuban was one of them, and others, you know, hammering me.
You know, you've got this so wrong.
This guy's completely on top of it.
He's the best president we've ever had.
He's done this, this, this, and this.
But it seems to me, Check, the reality check is that not only has he got dementia, and that's obvious now, but also, however many times you tell us he's a brilliant president and his achievements are endless, and there are certainly some achievements there, there's no doubting it.
But his approval ratings are completely in the tank.
They're at 37%.
AIPAC Motivations Explained 00:13:38
No president has ever been re-elected at this level of approval.
And the reason is that most Americans think he's simply too old to be running again.
So they can say, look, he's brilliant till the cows come home.
People aren't going to vote for him in enough numbers for him to win.
End.
Yeah, it's pure propaganda.
So they'll say, oh, he won the last time around.
Yeah, but that was four years ago.
Imagine a football team, a soccer team saying, well, we won four years ago, but you're not the same team anymore.
So when he won last time and he barely won in the Electoral College, he was at a 52% approval rating.
Now he's at 37%.
And you're right.
No incumbent in the 30s for any federal office has ever come back to win.
So the most miraculous comeback in political history is required here.
And it's required from a guy who looks like he's asleep while he's at the debate.
And in relation to no chance.
Okay.
And in relation to the war, to Israel a mass war.
Yes.
So what is going to happen here?
And what do you want the next president to do?
Yeah, I mean, in regards to being fair and decent to the Palestinians, it's nearly hopeless in the American political landscape.
So Joe Biden is the guy who supported and funded the slaughter in Gaza.
So he's hopeless.
And that costs us 30 points with younger voters.
So he's both going to lose the election and his policy is awful.
Donald Trump is arguably worse.
Now it's just an open fact that he took about $100 million two different times in 2016 and 2020 from Sheldon Adelson.
And he did exactly as he was ordered.
He moved the embassy based on Adelson's demands.
Our embassy, he changed our foreign policy to serve Israeli interests.
And now there's reporting in Heretz that Miriam Adelson, the widow of Sheldon, is going to give him $90 to $100 million.
And she wants Israel to annex the West Bank, which would cause a colossal war in the Middle East.
And it would be the worst thing you could possibly imagine.
But everyone is controlled by the donors.
And this isn't a Jewish thing or a religious thing.
Please, I don't want anybody thinking that.
Big Pharma is even stronger.
And that's why we can't negotiate drug prices.
All of these lobbyists and donors control our politicians 100%.
So in terms of victory, just get a new Democratic candidate because they won't have as big a track record of selling out to every donor, including AIPAC, and you'll be a little bit better off and more likely to win.
But do I have any confidence that any Democrat or Republican in this country is going to do anything but serve AIPAC's interests?
No, of course not.
They'll do exactly as they're ordered to do by all their donors, big oil, big banks, big pharma, and definitely APAC.
Emily, before I come to you, I want to play a clip from Donald Trump talking about Joe Biden being a very bad Palestinian.
Israel and Hamas, Israel's the one that wants to go.
He said the only one that wants to keep going is Hamas.
Actually, Israel is the one, and you should let him go and let him finish the job.
He doesn't want to do it.
He's become like a Palestinian, but they don't like him because he's a very bad Palestinian.
He's a weak one.
Joe Biden's a very bad Palestinian, apparently, Emily.
I'm not really sure what exactly was meant by that comment.
I do actually agree with Trump in this instance that both Israel and Hamas wanted to continue this conflict for different reasons.
Motivations are different on both sides.
But I just want to return to some of the things that Cheng said about APAC.
I just find it very interesting, this obsession with APAC, which, by the way, is an American lobbying organization.
It is not American Israeli.
In fact, they have very strict laws about who they can interact with and how they interact with them.
They are not a lobby of a foreign government.
Unlike the unannounced and the undeclared lobbying efforts of Qatar, of Saudi Arabia, of many other countries, including, by the way, the Islamic Republic of Iran on United States soil.
That is not what APAC does.
APAC is forced to be very, very transparent.
And what they lobby for is the U.S.-Israel relationship.
Now, why?
Because it's a mutually beneficial relationship where the vast majority of that aid, over 80%, is required by law to be reinvested in the U.S. economy, which means that that aid package spurs U.S. innovation and creates U.S. jobs.
Now, do I agree with every single thing about how the organization works?
No, the same as any lobbying organization.
And by the way, when we talk about the impact of APAC, APAC is the 11th most powerful lobby.
There are many, many others, as you correctly stated.
There are many others that are much more powerful, much more active in U.S. politics than the American Israeli Public Affairs Committee.
So that is not really accurate how you are presenting the situation.
And in regards to Pierce's question about what candidate would be better, what candidate has a better chance of resolving this issue, I don't think that any U.S. president, it's incumbent upon them to solve issues in the Middle East.
I think that's something that needs to be worked out between both parties or multiple parties, depending on what the conflict is.
But I also think that it's pretty clear when we look at the track record of President Biden versus the track record of former President Trump that despite the fact I never liked the guy and I really wish he would stop talking and maybe stick to acting instead of talking, he did do a decent job.
There wasn't the conflicts that we see now.
There wasn't the absolute chaos and suffering and bloodshed in Afghanistan, not to mention gender apartheid in Afghanistan.
That was not the case.
You'll say, oh, well, of course it was initiated under Trump.
Trump would not have done it the same way.
And he didn't because he wasn't the president.
Biden did.
And Biden as the president bears responsibility for that absolute humanitarian disaster.
In addition to that, from day one, Biden's Iran policy team has been an absolute train wreck, which has contributed, their lack of enforcement of sanctions, has contributed to the destabilization and the deaths of Arab Muslims throughout the Middle East.
And Chenk, interestingly, I never hear you speak about that.
You never speak about the terror proxies and how many Muslims they're killing, but you speak all the time all over social media about how Israel is killing Muslims.
Well, statistically speaking, the greatest murderer of Arab Muslims in the Middle East is the Islamic Republic.
It is not the state of Israel.
Cheng, you want to respond to that?
Yeah.
Yeah, of course.
So first of all, all of your assumptions are wrong.
I call out the Saudi and Qatar funding all the time.
What do you mean?
I can show you the tape.
I can show you dozens of times where I call out the Saudis and the Qatar government for donating into American politics.
They do it through proxies.
They do it through think tanks, but they flood Washington with money.
That's why I say, look, guys, this is not just about Israel.
It's the real.
How are you speaking about this in comparison to how much you speak about AIPAC the boogeyman, which again is an American organization that is not a foreign lobbying organization?
Yeah.
Yeah, look, can I answer?
Okay, so number one, I point out all the problems with all the foreign governments buying our politicians.
I'm against all of it.
I don't care if they're Muslim, Jewish, or Christian.
I don't care if they're from Mars.
I don't want them bribing our politicians, and they obviously are.
And I told you, AIPAC is not the most powerful lobby.
Big Pharma is definitely more powerful.
In fact, I agree with where AIPAC was.
They were about number 11 based on the facts back in the day.
Now I have them in the top three because now they're spending a lot more money.
They're going to spend over $100 million in this cycle alone.
They spent $14.5 million just to defeat Jamal Bowman and buy that seat.
And I don't care if it's drug companies or if it's banks or it's APAC that's buying these seats, but they're definitely buying them.
And you're denying reality if they're not.
And I don't just focus on that.
I focus on the dangers of Saudi Arabia and Iran and foreign policy all of the time.
You don't watch the Young Turks, so you make assumptions.
Why do I focus on Israel these days?
Why do I focus on Israel these days?
The reason I focus on Israel these days, because they're the ones in the middle of slaughtering 37,000 people.
It's not complicated.
The reason you don't want to focus on that is because you want to have different rules for Israel.
Hey, let's blame Saudi Arabia, Iran, et cetera.
Great, no problem.
We all agree.
Then you say, when it comes to Israel, no, They're allowed to slaughter 15,000 children and we're not allowed to criticize.
And then you say APAC is not for Israel's interests.
It's literally called American Israel Political Action Committee.
It's for Israel.
They're top ally, Democratic majority for Israel.
I want to bring in other partners.
Javier, you yourself, you went to Israel about 100 days after the October 7th attacks to, as you put it, uncover the truth behind the headlines.
What did you find?
You know, I found a lot of the fraudulent narratives are just being covered up by the media or we're just being gaslighted about what's actually happening there and what happened on October 7th.
I still think a lot of people are confused about what happened on October 7th.
Like I was unaware.
I actually just got back from Israel last week again.
I went for a third time and I didn't know that a lot of the Palestinian civilians were out there kidnapping hostages as well and then selling them to Hamas for about $10,000 is my understanding.
And, you know, it's really tragic to see that this, all of this has happened and people are so busy saying that it's complex, but the history might be complex.
But what's happening today is a very simple issue.
You have one side that is fighting a war, a war against terror, and then you have another side that is trying to lead a genocide against Jews and Christians worldwide.
So I see it very black and white on, or actually, I shouldn't say that.
It's not black and white.
I know there's a lot of criticisms you can put on both sides, but ultimately what it comes down to is we need to get terrorism out of the Middle East.
We need to get this extremism to be put to a halt.
And that takes more people being honest and objective about what's really happening over there.
Dave Smith, your response to that?
I just.
Well, there's been a lot said.
I mean, I would just point out, because you started by playing that clip of Donald Trump in the debate.
And of course, as rightfully, the story has been about Joe Biden's catastrophic performance, but that's kind of let Donald Trump slide.
It's kind of amazing to me that the corporate media and the Democrats who have obsessively called Donald Trump a bigot for the last, you know, since at least 2016 have nothing to say about turning to your opponent and calling him a Palestinian as if that's supposed to be just an insult.
Just imagine replacing that with any other group.
Like if he had just turned and called him a Jew or something like that, as if that's some like horrible thing to be.
I think that, look, no presidential candidate wants to stand up for where the majority of Americans are, which is that they want a permanent ceasefire in this war.
And all of them are just trying to out-compete the other one over who can be more hardcore.
But I got to say, for Donald Trump, who supposedly represents like this America-first position, for him to someone like Joe Biden, a lifelong self-described Zionist who is currently unconditionally,
in effect, backing Israel's assault of Gaza, to call him a Palestinian, it's like when the Republicans used to say Obama was too soft on foreign policy while he was starting wars in Libya and Syria and Yemen and escalating the war in Afghanistan.
It's just totally removed from reality, totally tone deaf.
And it's amazing that there are these pocket aces that none of the candidates, including Bobby Kennedy, want to play, which would be very popular with the American people to simply say, we don't want any part of this.
Right.
I mean, it is interesting, Cenk, isn't it?
The American public opinion has been pretty different over this war to previous conflicts in the region, between Israel and Palestine.
Yeah, I mean, we're talking about a similar issue here.
The core cancer in both the Biden story and the Israel story is propaganda.
So the American media for so long has told you, no, don't believe your lying eyes, whether it was Joe Biden or Israel's war crimes.
But in this case, now there's smartphones, there's social media, and you just can't contain the sights of Palestinian children who were beheaded and on fire.
And a stadium full of children have been slaughtered by Israel.
So there is no pretty picture you could put on that.
And you could spin, spin, spin all you like.
But at the bottom line is American people are asking, wait, not only why are we supporting this wholesale slaughter of these poor people who obviously have no power, but also why are we paying for it?
Why did we just give $20 billion to kill all these people?
Why is it our fight?
And why do we have to support Goliath instead of David?
Why are we giving them over $300 billion?
And they have paid family leave.
They have universal health care.
We don't have any of that.
We're forced to give our money to them.
It makes no sense at all.
I'll give a very quick chance to respond to you, Emily, because we have to wrap things up.
But just very quickly, your response to Cheng.
Sure.
I just think it's crazy.
I just think it's crazy to act as if all of the foreign aid in the United States actually makes an impact in the entire U.S. government budget.
I mean, we're talking a minimal percentage of the entire budget.
So to say that it's coming from something that Americans get is insane.
As I explained, the vast majority of it is actually required to be reinvested in the U.S. economy.
Protecting American Citizens Safely 00:00:44
That's the first thing.
The second reason why the U.S. supports Israel is because it's in their strategic interest.
It protects American soldiers.
It protects American interests internationally.
We also exchange security intelligence information as well as technological information for defensive weapons such as Iron Dome, such as Arrow.
All of these technologies are joint U.S.-Israel projects that have been developed over time that help keep American citizens safe.
That is something that represents our interest in the United States.
We can't forget the fact that Hezbollah is also involved in this.
Hezbollah and Hamas both threaten the United States.
They are both proxies of the Islamic Republic of Iran.
And that is where the real front is.
And it is not just against Israel.
It is against the United States by their words.
Got to leave it there.
Thank you all to my panel.
Much appreciated.
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