Princess Kate's Christmas Day chemotherapy reveal sparked debate over Dr. Mark Siegel's speculation regarding gastrointestinal cancer and King Charles's likely bladder condition, while Alison Pearson's "tonic" comment drew fire for trivializing patient struggles. The segment contrasts this royal resilience with Meghan Markle's simultaneous dog biscuit promotion, highlighting tensions between state-funded duties and independent entrepreneurship. Ultimately, the discussion underscores the intense public scrutiny surrounding the monarchy's health narratives versus their commercial activities. [Automatically generated summary]
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Kate's Triumphant Return00:01:38
The Princess of Wales made a triumphant return to public duties this weekend.
It was her first official public appearance this Christmas Day.
Kate revealed that she's still receiving treatment, including chemotherapy, for an unspecified form of cancer.
That treatment is expected to continue for several months.
But make no mistake, this was a huge moment for the royals in an otherwise historically wretched year.
King Charles, aged 75, is still fighting cancer too.
Conspiracy theories swell for months about the health and whereabouts of Princess Catherine.
Her badly edited Mother's Day photograph wasn't a mitigated PR disaster.
But this weekend, against all odds, she was back at her glamorous best, and the crowds loved it.
So, have the Royals now turned a corner on a pretty dark chapter?
Have the Kate's spirities been banished for good?
Were some of them in fact correct?
And has there ever been a more feeble attempt to overshadow a state occasion than Meghan Markle's decision to unveil a range of new dog biscuits on the very morning of Kate's return?
But joining me now are our censor contributor and lawyer, Paula Ronadrian, Royal Editor Sarah Hewson, Royal Historian and author Tessa Dunlop.
But first, Fox News contributor Dr. Mark Siegel across the pond in New York.
Dr. Mark, great to see you.
Hi, Piers.
Good morning.
I want to talk to you first, because you've got to dash after we do this about the health aspect.
Because I was struck by what she said, The Princess of Wales.
I'm making good progress, but as anyone going through chemotherapy will know, there are good days and bad days.
On the bad days, you feel weak and tired and you have to give into your body resting.
But on the good days, when you feel stronger, you want to make the most of feeling well.
Sympathy for the Princess00:14:45
My treatment is ongoing and will be for a few more months.
On the days I feel well enough, it's a joy to engage with school life, spend personal time on the things that give me energy and positivity, as well as starting to do a little work from home.
And then she then detailed she may attend some events and how grateful she was for everyone's support and understanding.
Reading between the lines there, because there's no royal statement that's ever made this accidental in its phraseology.
What did you make of that?
You know, Pierce, I thought it was inspiratory, and I'll tell you for several reasons why.
It was great to see her.
I think she looked vital.
I think it's her own hair, and I'll explain what that means medically in a minute.
I thought her photography is back in form, and I think she sent a message of good cheer, positivity, and hope to the public, which the world badly needs right now.
It's actually what the role of the Royals is in the UK, isn't it?
And I think everyone responded with good cheer to this.
The medical part is: I've been saying from the beginning that I was suspicious that this could be a GI cancer that was found serendipitously if they were operating on her for inflammatory bowel disease.
Why do I think that?
Because she had complications after that surgery.
And yes, you could find a colon cancer coincidentally during there in a pathology and decide to give three to six months of chemo.
Here's the point: the kind of chemo you get then is milder than if it were a gynecological cancer like ovarian, where you give something called taxol where you lose your hair and you get a lot sicker.
Now, this is not confirmatory.
And Piers, I wish they would come out and tell us which exact cancer it was because that will help me, me and everyone else educate the public for surveillance, for screening, what to look out for.
I think they should go all the way with this, but in the meantime, I felt it was an inspiratory appearance.
Yeah, I mean, I thought she looked pretty well, considering what she's been through.
She looked, I have to say, pretty thin, like she'd been through a real ringer, health-wise.
And I was struck by that.
She looked, you know, quite gaunt.
And I say that as someone who just wants her to be as healthy again as she can possibly be.
But is that completely natural with any form of cancer at that kind of age?
Yeah, I think so.
And that speaks to your earlier point that chemo hits hard no matter what kind it is.
I'm downplaying it a bit here, and I shouldn't.
She looks consistent with someone who has some type of underlying disease requiring that surgery, prolonged recovery from surgery, and then weeks and weeks of some kind of chemo.
I think that that fit with, as you say, looking a little gaunt, a little bit pale.
But again, she could have looked a lot sicker than that.
And I admire the courage of her coming out.
What did you think about King Charles?
He's also obviously going through extensive treatment for his cancer.
How did you think he looked?
I think also, you know, don't forget, he's a lot older.
I mean, she's 42.
I mean, I thought also he looked fairly good.
My theory on King Charles, and again, I'd like to know exactly what he has.
I don't think they do us enough of a service saying, well, we have cancer, but we're not going to tell you the kind.
King Charles was found with a treatment for a benign prostatic hypertrophy and large prostate.
And usually when you find something serendipitously during that investigation, it's probably bladder cancer.
Now, bladder, if he's getting the treatments that they instill into the bladder, is not as strong a treatment as what Princess Kate is getting.
And, you know, he's been more public in his appearances than she has.
Again, I don't have proof of any of this, but it's fitting a pattern.
I think his cancer is not as severe as hers is, or was.
Hers may be completely gone, but again, I think he's looking fairly good, considering ongoing treatments.
Right.
In America, if you had the president, for argument's sake, by comparison, and the president's daughter-in-law both diagnosed with cancer, would they reveal what cancer it was?
Would there be a clamor for them to do that?
Would it be expected?
I mean, listen, Pierre, as you know, you're seeing our president being led off the stage by the former president, you know, like taking him by the hand.
They're obviously not revealing what's going on with him now.
But yeah, we would be clamoring for it.
We would be clamoring for full disclosure.
It's a different situation, right?
Because in the UK, they're not officially leading.
But again, they're leading by example and they're leading by inspiration.
But no, we have cover-ups here all the time on presidential health, and it doesn't do the public any good.
Yeah, I agree.
Dr. Mark, great to see you.
Thank you very much.
Great to see you, Pierce.
Thank you.
Sarah, let's start with you.
It's interesting, isn't it?
Because on one level, they've been more open, perhaps, than we would have been used to.
They've revealed that both Charles and Kate have cancer and are receiving treatment.
On the other level, because of all the conspiracy theories that have swirled around about both of them for the last six months or so, would it not just be easier to say these are the cancers they're battling?
Why are they reluctant to do that?
I think while they're undergoing that treatment, they feel very strongly that they're entitled to a degree of medical privacy.
And that's absolutely right.
I do think it's right.
They're both cited that they want to be role models to other people and inspire people.
But how can you do that if you don't actually say what cancer you've got?
Well, one of the reasons is they don't then want people googling and speculating about prognosis, for example.
And they want to be absolutely clear that they don't want that level of speculation.
But that's all going out.
It's not been ruled out.
It's not been ruled out.
But the speculation is raging anyway because they're not saying.
But I don't think it would stop.
It's much like the conspiracy theories.
We've seen the Princess of Wales now.
I don't necessarily think it means stop.
haters are going to hate, the conspiracy theories are going to go on.
That is a whole industry in itself.
But I think what we have had here is more transparency.
And just look at the statement that was released by the Princess of Wales on Friday night.
Deeply personal, very intimate, in fact, talking about those good days and those bad days, talking about the really hard times that she and William have been going through.
Putting herself in the same shoes as others going through cancer, as those of you going through chemotherapy who've been through chemotherapy will know.
And I think we have never seen that before.
Yes, there's a point at which they want to stop, but actually she's giving a lot more than we might have expected.
I mean, look, it was great to see her.
I mean, I just thought, great.
She's back in a carriage, looking like a princess.
She looked fabulous.
But she did look pretty thin.
She looked to me like she'd been through a really hellish time, probably, and was putting a very brave face on it, which was extremely commendable.
Can't be easy to be in her position as a mother, first off, as a wife, you know, and then discover that, you know, you have to go out on parade when you're still having your treatment.
It's not easy.
And you're out on parade knowing that everything you do in terms of a glance, catching your breath, is going to be poured over, speculated on, pulled apart.
And this is, remember, whilst you are with your children.
And so, you know, to continue along with Sarah's vein where she says, actually, they do expect and should have, at a basic minimum, some respect for their privacy.
Okay, but I'm not convinced that if you're going to tell people we've both got cancer and you are the king and the future queen, I actually think that given the way the modern world is, given social media, given the rampant speculation, which is raging anyway, and would, I accept your point, it would anyway.
There were ridiculous conspiracy theories about her teeth I saw on social media as if somehow this was a fake cake.
It's ridiculous.
So there are nut jobs out there.
But the general conspiracy theories, they're going to get more fueled by less information.
And I can't quite get my head around.
If you want to make a real impact, then you need to be a little bit more specific to the cancer you've got, don't you?
No, you don't.
Because you've got breast cancer, it's not going to have any relevance to somebody who's got lung cancer.
But I mean, if you're more precise, you can be more, I think, more impactful to people who have exactly the same things.
But that's because you and I are having a logical, calm, and sensible conversation.
You have to understand that Princess Kate and the royal family are not dealing with logical, sensible, calm people.
They are dealing with people who are quite frankly crazy in their approach.
I'm not talking about what's going on.
Let's part the lack of jobs.
But not even the number of people.
No, no, no.
Part the whack jobs to one side.
Let's ignore them.
The one's going to look at their teeth and say it's not going to be a job.
And we can then say...
I'm talking about generally...
But generally speaking, we are talking about a mother who wants to not frighten her children.
And if she gives over too much information to the public, they will take that information even with the best of intentions and they will run rife with it.
And I don't think that they're making a firm decision.
We're never going to talk about this.
I just think we're not talking about it now.
And when they're a bit further down the line, it may well be that she does decide to reveal exactly what that is.
But I think we can stop the platitudes.
Oh, this is so helpful for others suffering with cancer.
We saw when King Charles came out and said he was having treatment for large prostate.
Very specific.
I bet Piers, being a man of a certain age, banged in enlarge prostate.
Actually, that's exactly what I did.
Right, because I genuinely thought, oh, that's what he's got.
That's interesting.
Do I know the symptoms?
Do I know how to recognise that?
That to me is really helpful.
But if he hadn't said any of that, I'm not sure how helpful.
Yeah, with vain cancer.
What do I do?
Feel my armpit, my breast, you know, up under.
The point is, I think most of us, you'd have to be pretty made of stone not to, feel a great deal of sympathy with Kate and those people derailed midlife with a massive health scare will feel empathy for her.
But I don't think these sort of ideas that it's really useful, that she's shoulder to shoulder with other cancer sufferers, that doesn't really stack up for me.
Well, that leads me.
Okay, well, that leads me to the second part of this.
Alison Pearson wrote a column in the Daily Telegraph, which got a huge backlash because the headline was, Our fair lady, Princess of Wales's selfless display was the tonic Britain needed.
When lesser mortals would have stayed at home, Catherine proved the show goes on.
Now, that, as I say, a lot of backlash.
A consultant clinical oncologist, Clive Peadel, wrote on X as a cancer specialist.
I find this level of journalism absolutely appalling.
It's hard to know where to begin.
Well, the lack of understanding of how cancer might affect people is this poor.
I'm more than happy to explain to Alison Pearson why this is so bad.
Someone else posted, lesser mortals, I'm going through chemo, still working, parenting, doing the housework, making my tea.
I'm sick, in pain, worried about finances, scared.
I'm glad Kate felt well enough to attend, but Alison Pearson can F right off.
I get that because it was a very, I'll start with you, Tessman Messi, it was a very clumsy phraseology, I thought.
I don't think she probably meant it.
No, but it's been taken.
But to call people lesser mortals because they weren't able to be in it.
Why do you think she didn't mean it?
This is very, I'm going to assume because of her job and how long she's been doing her job for and sometimes the backlash she's received from other articles that she's written.
That actually she's quite careful in terms of the language that she uses.
So I'm going to have to question you on why you thought this was clumsy and that she didn't mean it.
Well, I don't know, is the honest answer.
I'm giving her a little bit of license and a sense of when she said lesser mortals, she probably just meant, isn't she courageous for doing what she's doing?
But the implication is, if you're not out there doing what she was doing, then somehow you are a lesser person.
That I can understand why that's so offensive.
Two things.
One is Alison Pearson is a certain breed of individual in this country who I think genuinely believes that the monarchy is in some way near a god.
You know, that all that flummery, the bowing, the curtsy, that they are, they do exist on a higher plane.
I know that Kate was one day a commoner, but she's married into the royal family.
And I think that Alison probably does have a kind of reverence that none of us, despite whatever we might do with our lives, could ever live up to simply by virtue of the fact she belongs to the House of Windows.
So yes, I do think she thinks everyone else relative to Kate probably is a lower mortal.
But in relation to Kate delivered on Saturday in the way that some people with cancer aren't able to deliver, that's where these comparisons are dangerous.
Kate is not having the same cancer experience as the giant majority of us.
Now, I'm not saying she should, because she's got to go out in front of a million lenses and look like Liza Dean.
No, but it's perfectly reasonable, isn't it, Sarah, to say that she will be getting absolute Rolls-Royce treatment.
No waiting times, no battling to get the top treatments that might give you a better chance.
And also, maybe help huge help at home and also access to the very best medical teams that they are.
And I think they are very conscious of that and mindful of that.
And it's a difficult one to balance, isn't it?
When the king first returned to work and they put out that statement that he wanted to show that it is possible to continue to work while having cancer, actually they were treading quite a fine line between those who don't feel able to work, also those who have had to continue to work for financial reasons and haven't been able to take.
Let's be clear, that 99.9% of people who get cancer will have a completely different experience.
Absolutely.
It was once said to me that royals get the Rolls-Royce treatment when it comes to their health.
And I think rightly, you know, if you're going to have them, as you said, on a pedestal representing the country on the global stage, then I think they should get.
But what they don't have is the pressure that Kate has because she is the supermodel of the royal family.
There is no other.
I mean, check out that balcony.
It is fine.
They're all doing their thing, but they're Ford Fiestas.
And Kate is their Lamborghini.
And she knows that she has to look a certain way and perform a certain way to live up to the expectation.
She's a lightning rod of that family.
It was only when she went, fell sick, actually, Paula.
It's only then that I think everyone thought, wow.
The Fragile Royal Picture00:04:01
Yes.
What if something happened to Kate?
Yes.
Right?
You've already lost Harry and Megan.
They've gone.
You've got Charles, who's in his mid-70s.
He's got cancer.
The Kate part of this was a massive blow to people.
It was an absolute massive blow.
And I don't think I'm being outrageous by suggesting it took us back to the loss of Princess Diana.
Because we saw those three children and the stark reality that their mother was very, very ill.
And I think that the problem with the article is that actually what Alison has done is she's pitched Kate against other unwell people.
I agree.
It's just beyond crap.
I accept that.
But the three children is a really important point as to why she was there on Saturday as well and determined to be there because Prince William was on horseback.
Otherwise, who was going to look after those children in the carriage?
They wanted to show the Wales family out in force, first time since Christmas Day.
Seeing her on that balcony, those balcony scenes are a snapshot in time.
They're a moment in history, aren't they?
We've had quite a few lately, of course.
There was a very nice moment where Charles and her looked at each other.
And that was a moment because you got both of them going through the same thing.
And it's very deliberate.
They were standing next to each other.
Yes, they weren't last year.
It was William standing next to his father.
They were shoulder to shoulder and showing that bondage.
If you look at that balcony scene there, I mean, this is fragile, right?
The royal family now is fragile.
There's no Prince Philip.
There's no Queen, right?
The Queen mother has died in the last 20 years as well.
You've now got the slimmed down royals, but we never really factored in that very, very quickly after they were slimmed down, two of the major players were going to get hit by cancer.
But also where I feel, and this is where I, you know, even as a fellow woman, and even when we just sit here briefly in the public eye, the pressure on Kate, it was freezing on Saturday.
You knew from the weather forecast it was going to be drafty, and yet she didn't cut herself any slack.
There were no thermals underneath.
I sort of take a look at the picture.
On Father's Day yesterday, they issued a picture, a very sweet picture.
This is William looking out to sea in Norfolk with his three kids, George, Charlotte, and Louis.
And it was a message from them, their first one.
It says, we love you, Papa.
Happy Father's Day.
Two red hearts signed G C and L.
And whether they actually wrote those words, probably are likely.
But the image taken by Princess Kate, I think we can assume unedited.
But a lovely picture, Sarah.
And he, William then released a picture of him and King Charles playing football when he was a kid, William, with his dad in a full suit.
Happy Father's Day par.
Sweet messages.
Again, reaffirming, there's the picture of William and Charles.
I mean, who wears a suit all the time.
But I like, you know, it was all very good imagery at the weekend.
It was a kind of, it felt like a bounce back weekend and much needed for the Royals.
Yeah, and we got a real insight in behind the scenes, didn't we, in all of those images of family life.
Seeing Louis on the balcony dancing, seeing Charlotte telling him to be a little handful.
He's an absolute legend, though, isn't he?
I've got four kids, and you always know the ones who are going to be the handful.
You can just tell he's got bad little looking.
George has got William's sense of how to behave.
Charlotte's got a little twinkle in her eye.
He's a little bit of a touch.
Yeah, but she keeps those boys in chair as well.
Louis is going to be a handful, I can tell you.
I'm going to go back to the picture of Charles in a suit.
That so spoke to all Harry's narrative about his father.
You know, he did his best, but he wasn't really fully in the picture.
And there's Charles, oh, God, really must I hang out with this toddler.
I'd rather get back to Highgrove and sign a few documents for, I don't know, it's not.
No, I've read somewhere that he was on some sort of official duty.
Yeah, and then he'd gone out of his son's kicking a ball in the ground.
But that was the palace.
And it was that.
I'll tell you one thing about that.
So my brother-in-law was colonel in charge of training William and Harry at Santos Military Academy.
So my sister, his wife, used to entertain all the royals when they came to watch William and Harry.
It was several years, this went on.
And she saw them at first hand, and she said the one thing I was really struck by was how tactile Charles was with William and Harry.
This is after Dino died.
How tactile.
Lots of hugging, lots of kissing.
Sussex vs. Duty00:08:16
I just do not buy this narrative Harry wants us all to have about his father.
He's some kind, cold, aloof, distant guy.
And actually, he himself talked about his father stroking his face and sitting there because he was afraid of the dark until he got to say it.
Well, look, at this point in the debate, you know what's coming.
We now have to reluctantly move to Montecito because...
We don't have to, though.
It's interesting you want to, Piers, but we don't have to.
I don't want to, but when you have major international celebrities like this guy, what's his name?
So major that you're having to do.
Nacho, Nacho the polar player, yeah.
Who's apparently massive in the polo world.
But he shared images on the day this was all going down as a big reset for the royals of Meghan Markles.
He's a close friend of Harry from Poland.
Nacho Fregueras sharing images of jam and dog biscuits that he'd been sent by Meghan Markle from her new company.
We're down to dog biscuits, Tessa.
I mean, you know, I honestly don't really care that much anymore about what these two do.
But when they're flogging dog biscuits, is the Duke and Duchess of Sussex?
Does a little part of you not go, oh dear, this is getting very tacky.
To me, as a man of considerable wealth, Piers, that you aren't aware that in Fortnum and Mason, you can buy organic honey retailing at £20, peddled by the Duchess of Cornwall, otherwise known as Kate, who you revere.
It's double standards to call out.
Where does the money go from?
The money goes straight back into the coffers of the Duchy of Cornwall, incidentally.
It doesn't go to the royals.
I'm so sorry, but the Duchy of Cornwall belongs to the Duke of Cornwall, who voluntarily pays income tax on the profits made by the Duchy.
They don't pay corporation tax.
They don't pay capital gains.
It's run on completely different rules.
Incidentally, and they're given a massive state advert on Saturday.
Oh, William, let's just Google him.
Oh, yeah, Andy sells jam.
Harry and Megan have to take every little moment they can, clutching at straws, because they are subject to the entire heft of the American tax system, and they don't have a state parade funded by us in which to tout their wares.
I can't believe you're indignant.
Do you think when they left to find freedom that it would constitute flogging dog biscuits?
Well, is the march?
Is there a Rizzler paper between organic honey and jam and dog?
I'd say a Bing Doggist.
Well, there's one difference.
Frankly, a Bing Doggis.
There's one difference, which is that the other royals you've mentioned do their duty.
They do their shift.
They do hundreds of things.
So does Harry.
Rocked up from Victus and his dad did nothing to serve.
That's a duty to his own brand.
No duty to service.
That's what it is.
That's a duty with Carl.
Nothing to do with it.
No, nothing to do with it.
Oh, Piers, you're so disingenuous.
Do you know you're all right on Kate?
You hold it together just.
And then you disintegrate into some kind of flathering idiot, imbecile there, I think, when it comes to the Sussex.
You don't judge by the same standards.
I just find them a constant embarrassment.
But then don't look.
That's all.
Don't click on it.
I'm not slathering about anything.
Sarah, I'm not slathering.
I just kind of think every single time we try and have something dignified here, we get these two doing something ridiculous, like flogging dog biscuits.
I just know I'm waiting patiently for my turn.
Look, I'm not one for pitting these two women against each other, but I did think on Saturday the gulf between them was huge and it did show just how life has changed for the Sussexes.
Well there you've got Kate standing side by side with the king on the balcony and then Megan's friends are posting that she's sent them out some jam and some dog biscuits.
Now look, if you want to build a biscuit, actually I don't have any objection to them building a business and this lifestyle brand because if it stops from them selling stories and trying to monetize their gripes about the royal family and she's genuinely building a business that she believes in and a lifestyle brand, that's great.
One of those brands, I mean you mentioned the honey, she's modelled it on Flamingo Estate apparently.
They sell honey from Julianne Moore, £200 for a pot of honey.
Gwyneth Paltrow's Goop, again, one that she's looking at.
Gwyneth said a message of support.
So why are you mocking them?
Why are you saying that?
I'm not mocking supply.
Why am I banging them, Tess?
Because you said the Gulf was huge.
So presumably you think Kate's wonderful up on a balcony next to the king as part of an institution we fund.
The imagery is very different, isn't it?
There's one there standing on the bottom of the business.
Bayless royals and now Zedlist royals.
Right?
But no, they're not royals, Harry and Megan.
That's precisely what they're doing.
They are still royals.
They are.
They're the Duke and Duchess of Sussex.
As they remind us on all their paperwork.
They're the Duke and Duchess of Sussex, members of the royal family.
They just don't do any work for you.
If you really want to do your job as a Democratic broadcaster, you would flag up that right in front of the balcony, a vast yellow presence, the Republican movement somehow muscled their way between all the mass media cameras who are trying to work around them and the balcony, impossible to ignore.
There is a large, increasingly large grain of sand in Britain that is expanding, that is anti-monarchy.
You can't be anti-Harry and Megan because we don't pay for them.
They don't stand for anything.
And that's a really...
Paula, you've been very, very patient.
I have.
I've tried to remain dignified as if we're on the balcony.
We need to remind ourselves of how this story came out.
And the story came out on the basis that Megan was promoting her wares, her brand, on the day of the Trooping of Colour.
And of course, what we find out when we dig deeper is, once again, that simply wasn't true.
It was a third party who had tried to put it.
It was now posted.
Exactly.
And so for me, and this is why I'm glad we talk about, still talk about Megan, because for me, here we have another example, don't we, of how certain parts of the British press are attempting to attack Meghan Markle when actually she hasn't done anything.
I think it's a bigger problem for Meghan Markle, which is actually people have just got a bit bored talking about, even I'm bored talking about it.
I'm just not that interested.
I think they're not that interesting anymore.
When you're down to talking about dog biscuits, actually, it's the law of diminishing returns.
When they were spray gunning the family, calling them a bunch of callous racists with no evidence, right?
When they were doing that, it's all big news.
Now they're flogging dog biscuits in those homeowners.
I think that's my point, actually.
If they're actually going to get on and run a really genuine business and make a living for themselves in California, rather than...
My same rule applies, which is take the titles away.
Just do it as individual citizens.
But you've forgotten that the last time we met on this platform, we were talking about their tour in Africa and the fact that they'd absolutely kiboshed whatever the royal family was doing that week because that was all we were talking about.
So great.
This week was Treeping the Colour and it was all about Kate and the King as it should be.
And Megan's friend was banging the dog biscuit on his insta.
The two aren't comparable.
That's my point about the Gulf.
There you go.
Exactly.
You've literally proven Sarah's point.
They're not comparable.
I agree.
I agree.
We have the dog biscuit floggers in Montecito.
We have the royal balcony watched by a billion dollars.
I just wonder why we're referencing these dog biscuits that are going to be sold for hundreds of dollars.
Why aren't we referencing the fact that here we have a woman who could have stayed at home, but she has instead decided to forge at home.
Forge her own.
She does it.
Well, she can work from home, Piers.
She has to stay at home as well.
I do occasionally.
You said she has to stay at home, but she's gone out to forge her own equipment.
She hasn't gone out.
Sorge her own career.
She's no longer relying on the state money, which is what you would have criticised her for, relentlessly.
Like I say, you know what?
Celebrate the fact that she's been able to be successful.
It could be dog biscuits.
I think I've reached there.
It could be disposable bins.
I've reached the point now where even I can't be bothered.
Do you know?
And that's the worst thing for them.
I'll remind you of that.
They're like, so irrelevant.
I can't, honestly, I haven't got the energy anymore.
I'm just going to say I'm looking for a new job because Piers is never going to talk.
Which is the camera.
Piers is never going to talk about Megan and Harry again, and my services won't be required.
It's been really enjoyable to talk about.
No, it'll be, but they'll always be number four or five on the topic list now.
I think.
Well, they were the last time we met.
They weren't.
You've got a very short memory.
I'm going to remind you of this.
But if they try and plan rival tours at the same time as the royal family.
It wasn't a rival tour, Piers.
We discussed that.
It wasn't a rival tour.
It was an invitation that they accepted.
It's a kind of die war.
The royal family are busy every week.
There's always some Duchess of Ebony.
Oh, sorry, so you don't want to become between two women.