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June 14, 2024 - Uncensored - Piers Morgan
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Hollywood's Moral Compass 00:04:11
Did you think he was sincere?
I'm so grateful that I am alive and I got through this.
When we see actors crying on camera, like it's kind of what they're paid to do.
I do have some empathy for Kevin Spacey.
I can't believe I'm actually saying that.
Hollywood has no moral compass.
They would invite him in open arms if they thought he could sell tickets.
I'm sorry to say this, but this was his Prince Andrew moment.
The public is going to hear the part where he knew Jeffrey Epstein.
They're not going to get past that part.
Kevin Spacey appears to have a bunch of skeletons in his closet, and the more I learn more about him, the more I dislike him.
I think people are perhaps more willing to forgive Will Smith because they understand at least why he did what he did.
Yes, he slapped Chris Rolf, but I think his bigger crime is marrying a disloyal witch in Jada Smith.
There's been an unprecedented global reaction to my interview with Kevin Spacey.
As you'd expect, with an alias superstar who's been embroiled in the most serious of scandals, opinion is sharply divided.
Many people saw a diminished and humble man whose stellar career has been wrecked by allegations that were never proven in court.
Others simply cannot see past the severity of the claims that were made in the first place.
And that's a major part of the debate about Hollywood culture, about cancelled culture, about the Me Too movement itself.
The fervor to prosecute in the court of public opinion, the eagerness to believe all people who make allegations, seems more important now in our culture than the verdict of an actual court of law.
Spacey was disarmingly honest about the fact his behavior has been extremely uncomfortable, but he insisted it wasn't illegal and no one's proven it was.
You talk about bad behaviour that you committed.
What do you mean by that?
What's your idea of bad behaviour when you look back at what you were doing?
Pushing the boundaries.
In what way?
I mean, being too handsy, you know, touching someone sexually.
Groping people.
In a way that I didn't know at the time they didn't want.
So some of Spacey's past behavior, by his own admission, definitely made people squirm when they watched the interview.
Many people found it not just immoral and Republican, but possibly criminal what he was admitting to there.
Now, he admitted to me that he's talking privately to a significant number of people who feel exactly that as part of his atonement.
But the world does change as societal norms change with it.
We don't now prosecute motorists who didn't wear seatbelts in the 70s.
We look at the details on the allegations about Spacey's, we did it at length.
Most of them didn't even pass a common sense test.
Multiple courts, criminal and civil, have acquitted him on all charges.
But his career has been pretty much ended and the cancellation has financially ruined him, as he emotionally revealed in the interview.
Are you facing bankruptcy?
Been a couple of times when I thought I was going to file, but we've managed to sort of dodge it, at least as of today.
How much money do you have?
None.
Do you mind me asking how much you owe?
It's considerable.
Millions?
Many millions, yes.
The house itself is many millions.
What are you going to do?
Get back on the horse.
So Kevin Spacey wants to get back on the Hollywood horse to restart his acting career, and he needs to financially, but does he deserve a second chance?
Is it even possible?
Will movie executives and more importantly audiences accept him?
Hollywood's moral compass has always been rather warped.
Lest we forget the three-minute Oscar's ovation for convicted pedophile Roman Polanski on the same night Michael Moore was booed and heckled for criticizing the illegal war in Iraq.
The Academy Wars took 40 years to ban Polanski, but he's still fated by Hollywood.
Actors still want to be in his movies.
But just a few days after Will Smith did the slap that was sent around the world, he was sent to Hollywood obscurity and purder.
But he's now roaring back and bringing box office sales with him.
His new movie took over 100 million at the weekend.
And maybe that's the key.
One thing we can all agree on is that Kevin Spacey is a remarkable actor with no criminal record.
The Polanski Parallel 00:15:30
The public wrote him off in a Me Too stampede.
Maybe the public can decide if they want to pay to see him back on the big screen.
We're here to discuss Spacey and a whole lot more, two of YouTube's most ferocious commentators on all things Hollywood, movie reviewer extraordinaire, critical drinker, and pop culture critic nerdrotic.
And joining them, author of The Case for Cancel Culture, Ernest Owens, with his book there.
And here in the studio, Uncensored Regulars, Esther Kraku and alleged comedian James Barr.
Lovely.
Who knows all about allegations?
Because I just called him an alleged comedian.
All right, James, let me start with you.
Let me ask you a blunt question.
Yeah.
Did you believe Kevin Spacey?
I think the worst thing about that interview from Honest Piers is the fact that you were...
I mean, you're not one of the world's best emotors.
It's not what you're famous for.
And yet you sort of licked his ass a bit.
And listen, I think it was an important interview, but it's obvious that he did a lot wrong.
He said that, he admitted that.
He said he did some bad stuff, that he was handsy and caressed people.
And then you cut back saying, well, you never caressed me, as if to say that victims don't matter.
And I find that deeply offended.
It wasn't obviously what I meant.
And you know, it wasn't what I meant.
No, what I felt was with Spacey is that he has been through two trials, one criminal, one civil.
And in both cases, after a thorough examination of everything about him, he was found not guilty.
And I believe in due process.
I don't believe in the court of public opinion.
But I don't believe in people being convicted by the court of public opinion.
But he's admitted it himself.
So he's basically convicted himself by saying...
But are you...
Here's my other blunt question.
You're a gay man, right?
Are you seriously telling me that handsy behaviour is a completely alien concept in the gay community if you're all in bars and having a good time?
Be honest.
I think Kevin was coming out.
Because gay friends of mine have said, absolutely, a lot of guys are handsy with each other.
So I don't know.
I've not been in gay space.
It's important.
You've never been in a gay bar.
I'll take you, Piers.
It's important that we have safe space.
I wouldn't mind going, actually.
And I'm not going to keep your hands to yourself.
Kevin, safe space, he is a safe space.
I think where we're talking about Kevin Spacey, it's in a workplace.
And as a gay man, I have also experienced someone being handsy with me in a workplace.
I've experienced bosses wanting to sleep.
It wasn't Kevin Spacey.
It wasn't me.
It wasn't Piers Morgan.
I've experienced that.
And so I do have some empathy with Kevin's victims, but I do have empathy with Kevin as well.
What he's had to go through is difficult, but it is, by his own admission, his fault.
Should he remain cancelled?
I think it's not cancelled.
I think it's...
Well, he is.
He can't get work.
What?
And he's broke.
If you ruin your reputation by behaving badly, that is going to happen.
But should Hollywood continue to refuse to work?
Well, he has ruined his reputation.
But he's an innocent man in terms of the court of law.
Other people have the right to not work with someone that's ruined their reputation.
But Hollywood will work with Roman Polanski, who's a convicted rapist of a child who then absconded the country, America, to go and live in France to avoid justice.
He is still fated by Hollywood.
That to me is a rank hypocrisy.
I mean, the Hollywood that he's seeking to go back into now is a different space.
It's now more driven by social media and by average members of the public.
You can't get away with the same thing that Harvey Weinstein did.
But Polanski does get away with it.
He is still being employed by the people who are not.
That actors will still work.
That Hollywood is dying.
Sorry, who was that?
Ernest, yeah.
I said it's not Ernest.
Said he was banned by the.
He's also banned by the Academy Motion Picture ARTS AND Sciences yeah, but he's still making movies.
But he's making movies and actors are happy to appear with him.
You know why?
Because maybe, unlike I mean, there's double standards.
In my book I do say not all cancellations are the same, so I want to be very upfront about that, that this is cancel.
Culture is not evenly distributed and handled to people.
But I think the difference here is is that Roma Polanski was not necessarily um, you know, groping and being inappropriate with other actors.
He raped a girl.
He raped a 14 year old girl.
Agreed, he's wrong, just like R Kelly did.
He was actually convicted of raping a girl.
I said he was wrong, he was criminal.
I'm talking, I agree with you.
I okay, I don't disagree with you.
Okay, he was wrong.
Right, scared me that.
What i'm saying here, what i'm saying here, if you can let me talk, is that he was wrong.
He, he definitely should have been gone.
But this is the point i'm trying to make.
There is a double standard in Hollywood.
But just because there's a double standard that benefits Roma Perlansky wrongly, because he should have been gone a long time ago, that doesn't mean that just because one person gets away with doing something inappropriate and get a second pass, that that means Kevin Spacey can get a second.
Why should Kevin Spacey?
All right.
Why should Kevin Spacey hang on?
Hang on.
Why should Kevin Spacey not get a second pass, given he's been found not guilty both in a criminal trial and in a civil trial, where the alleged victim ended up having to pay Kevin Spacey forty thousand dollars because no one believed him?
For starters, he still has another case that is pending, another civil suit.
That's well.
He has one of the people who lost the criminal trial taking a civil action against another one.
He has another one pending, but outside of that you don't have to as a person in workspace right.
This is a free enterprise.
In the United States, there is a free enterprise where people can choose work to hire whoever they want to.
That is a democracy right.
We get to choose as individuals who we want to work with, who we want to allow in our workspace.
If you have a repeated history of sexual harassment, sexual assault and inappropriate behavior, right.
Again again, you are convicting him of crimes he's not been found guilty of.
He's never been found guilty of sexual assault doing it in other environments right, and I think I think, I think I think Earnest is right I can't believe i'm saying this thing, but I think, agree with you, agree with you.
I think I i'm showing up a little bit in my mouth saying this, but I do think that Ernest has a point and I think if the issue is the fact that Kevin Spacey can no longer find work, that interview the interview he did with you Piers, is not going to help.
I'm sorry to say this, but this was his Prince Andrew moment.
Right, it was he should.
His case should have been.
I am an individual member of the public, just like everyone else.
If someone was was tried for burglary and they were acquitted, they should be able to resume their life, and that is exactly the case.
He should have argued by him going into the fact that yes, I have groped people inappropriately and that I was on Jeffrey Epstein's plane and saw young girls but didn't take it to the police or do anything about it.
He's blown himself up in the court of public opinion.
I didn't need to know all that.
I don't want to know Your business with the nasty Clintons or the Jeffrey Epsteins, or you groping whoever was.
So far as I'm concerned, as a member of the public, you have been acquitted on all charges and should resume your career.
Allison Pearson made a very good defense of him in the Telegraph, and he should have used his allies, which is a word I find annoying, in the media to argue his case and actually have built that kind of support.
Because as far as we are concerned, he is an innocent man.
He didn't do that.
He decided to sit on your show and say he groped people and now he's sorry.
Boss, who cares?
Okay, let me go to Critical Drinker.
Interesting timing of all this because Will Smith, who was basically sent to Hollywood purder, is now back with a massive bang.
His new movie, the new Bad Boys movie, has taken $100 million at the box office.
What does that tell you about, if anything, about the double standard perhaps of, you know, you punch a guy at the Oscars, and that is deemed to be less cancelable than being accused of stuff you're then found not guilty of doing in a court of law?
Yeah, I think you have to look at the nature of the accusation against this person.
You know, in the case of Will Smith, ultimately, he was a guy who was standing up for his wife who was getting publicly ridiculed.
You know, whatever you might think about Jada or their marriage or whatever, that's none of our business.
That's between them.
And yeah, he definitely shouldn't have gotten physical.
That's not a good thing to do.
But you can at least understand it.
He was a man who was standing up for his wife.
There is a big difference between that and a man who is accused of sexual impropriety with people who are in much less powerful positions than him.
And so I think that is a big factor in all of this.
I think people are perhaps more willing to forgive Will Smith because they understand at least why he did what he did.
Okay.
Well, hang on, does everyone have a say?
The draw say, just before we explore us a bit more, how good an actor is Kevin Spacey?
I mean, where will he rank, do you think?
Oh, I would easily say he's in the top 20, top 30 of actors of our generation.
I can't say of all time, but of our generation for sure.
You know, he, but what Kevin Spacey faces to get in that conversation, honestly, is fair or not, it's the court of public opinion, right?
It's, and ultimately, that's what Hollywood has to assess.
And he's been found not guilty in a couple of cases.
That's great.
But I caught a bit of your interview.
Any talk of getting on that plane with that dude going to that island is going to affect him.
Well, he wasn't.
Well, hang on, hang on.
He wasn't going to the island.
He was going on a charity.
Any connection?
Well, he was going on it.
He was going with Bill Clinton.
Hang on.
Just to be clear, he was going with Bill Clinton to Africa as part of the Clinton Foundation work.
It happened to be Jeffrey Epstein's plane, which he found out later.
So he wasn't going to the island.
He's never been to the island.
Being on a plane with Bill Clinton on Jeffrey Epstein.
And young girls.
And you said nothing about it.
And young girls.
And when the whole thing blew up, he said nothing publicly.
It's ludicrous.
Yeah.
So the public is going to hear the part where he knew Jeffrey Epstein and he went on a plane.
They're not going to get past that part.
And whether that's fair or not, I mean, like America is the land of second and third chances.
I wouldn't be here talking to you if that wasn't possible.
And hell, I love LA Confidentials, one of my all-time favorite movies.
He was great in it.
He was great in Usual Suspects.
Doesn't matter how great of an actor he is at this point.
It's what's the public going to say?
And I'm sure there's a lot of people like Hollywood has no moral compass.
They would invite him in open arms if they thought he could sell tickets.
They wouldn't give a crap what he did.
Okay, see, I actually think the interview is going to help him.
I might be wrong, but I do think from the reaction I've seen on my Twitter feed, which is a lot, I've got nearly 9 million followers.
There's a lot of comments coming in.
I would say more than not are supportive.
Let's just see a clip from the interview where he breaks down in tears.
I'm enormously grateful that my focus has shifted.
Because Jack was my mentor and my father figure.
I'm so grateful that I am alive and I got through this.
Well, it's funny you asked that question.
My house is being sold at auction.
Really?
So I have to go back to Baltimore and put all my things in storage.
James, did you think he was sincere?
Or as some people have said...
Yeah.
I mean, yeah, you're exactly right.
He's an actor.
This is the thing.
When we see actors crying on camera, like it's kind of what they're paid to do for a living, so we don't necessarily care.
Well, it is, but how does an actor then genuinely cry in an interview to avoid that?
You don't do the interview.
This is the thing.
Hang on, hang on.
We don't do interviews.
All right, but look, Esther, it's fine to say you don't do interviews.
This guy is currently unemployed.
He's lost all his money.
He owes millions.
He's one of the great actors of his generation.
And he's desperate to get back to work.
What else is he supposed to do?
I appreciate that.
But the thing is...
Silence isn't going to help.
Well, here's the thing.
He has allies within the media that can argue his case for him without making it personal, without having this two-time Oscar winner cry on screen and tug at my heartstrings.
Maybe I'm hardened by the streets of London, but I didn't feel anything.
I actually felt more supportive of him when I read Alison Pearson's piece in The Telegraph arguing his case, because that is a member of the public, average.
I don't care if there's an actor, who's been acquitted of all charges and been robbed of his livelihood and should have the right to get it back.
We don't need to see all of this because I'm sorry, it's bad PR.
If I was advising him, I would say no.
I feel a little different to Esther.
I do have some empathy for Kevin's face.
I can't believe I'm actually saying that.
I really can't.
Why can't you?
Because I also believe, as he's admitted, that he is responsible for some very bad behavior.
But ultimately, he is trying to make his life better.
He's doing the work.
And I appreciate that.
I think that's important for society.
We want to look into our misgivings.
But I want to mention one thing, Pierce.
Hang on, it's all come to you.
That really bothered me about your interview and the way you handled that with Kevin.
When you brought up one of the accusers in the channel for documentary.
Well, let's take a look at the clip and then you can make your point.
Yeah.
We had a lot of fun together.
When he left the show, we were emailing to each other.
He was talking about working out.
He was getting buffed.
And I said, oh, send me a picture.
And he sent me a couple of pictures that were naked.
We've provocative.
We've got them.
Yeah.
He claimed that this incident at the movies happened in 1998.
I have an email from him in 2011.
I have an email from him in 2013, in which he's not only in the 2011 one, says how great it was to see me when I was just in Los Angeles.
So that's the two different stories there spliced in together.
Yeah, and you angry.
You handled that like it was a gotcha, like, oh, well, he wouldn't be emailing Kevin if this was true.
But why would he be too traumatized?
Because when you've suffered abuse from someone, there is a cycle of abuse that people go through where they go back to the perpetrator to try and resolve trauma that's happened in their past, or maybe they haven't dealt with the past naked pictures.
I'm saying, yeah, because you might be seeking their validation once it's bullshit.
No, it's not.
No, I'm afraid it is.
It's not bullshit.
This has been my whole problem with the Me Too.
Who's ever suffered?
My whole problem with the Me Too movement was that it strayed into this kind of thing where time and again we would see supposed victims then continuing to accused victims.
Think these are proper victims if they continue to.
Do you think Kevin Spacey's a victim?
No, I don't.
No, that was definitely the tone of the interview.
No, I don't know.
Hang on, Ernest.
No, I don't think he's a victim.
But this is a good idea.
I don't think anyone against him.
I don't think you can say Kevin Spacey was being handsy with me and I was traumatized, and then you send him naked pictures.
I think you can if you look at the history.
That's mad.
And I'm sorry, James.
No, it's not mad.
I don't think you believe it.
Listen, you need to go to therapy if you don't.
It's mad.
No, trust me, it's a thing.
Actually, I would never go to therapy.
It actually makes things a lot worse for most people.
Ernest, you've been trying to get in here.
I mean, why would somebody who's so traumatized by Kevin Spacey send him naked pictures of himself?
I think the larger point for me in all of this is that Kevin Spacey appears to have a bunch of skeletons in his closet.
And I feel like the more he talks, the more I learn, and the more I learn more about him, the more I dislike him, and the more I don't want to buy a movie ticket to ever see him again.
Sterile On-Screen Relationships 00:09:22
I think that's the reality here with this guy is that from the very beginning, and you talked about this in your interview very early on, was that his whole rollout when he was first accused by Anthony Rapp, which, of course, that got resolved and his innocence is proven, I believe, in court.
The way he responded to that, and then what came after it.
I mean, these are countless allegations.
Some of the people who are Anthony Rapp.
Hang on, Ernest.
Hang on.
Anthony Rapp is a good example because it was that claim which ignited the firestorm against Kevin Spacey.
That claim then went to court.
It was examined through proper due process.
And at the end of it, Kevin Space was found not only not guilty, his supposed victim was told to pay Kevin Spacey $40,000 in damages.
So no one believed it.
And John Barriman happened to be there at the time and said it never happened.
Right.
You said this interview.
I hear that.
What I'm saying to you is that when you made the conflation with Will Smith and him, and I want to make this point earlier, it's one thing when a person has an isolated incident or a controversy and they do one big bad thing or they have this one big blow up.
But the issue with Kevin Spacey is that the more and more we hear about him, there's more things coming up.
And then he's admitting to things that we don't know who or what and who it involves.
But I think that all of these different things is what put a dark cloud on him and he's not helping himself.
Okay.
And I just feel like interviews get more than that.
It is the public perception.
And exactly.
Let me bring you legally.
Please don't talk over each other.
Let me bring in Critical Drinker.
Yeah, it is the case of public perception here.
Nobody is legally preventing him from making movies.
He's not in prison.
He's not prevented from doing anything.
It's just that people don't want to work with him because of these accusations that have come out.
And partly by his own admission, he's indulged in very inappropriate behavior.
And I can, I don't blame people for not wanting to be part of film projects with Kevin Spacey.
There are lots of Hollywood stars that I could mention who have a lot of stuff in their back catalogue and seem to be fine carrying on with their careers.
So again, it comes back to Ernest.
Ernest, hang on.
Let other people talk.
So my point, Critical Drinker, is there's a lot of hypocrisy, a lot of not just double standards, There's just weird different standards applied to people.
I mean, potentially.
I mean, I don't know the details of the Hollywood stars that you're referring to, so I can't comment on each one individually or anything.
Well, pretty much.
Take the other 30 members that Nadrotic was talking about as the best actors of our generation.
A lot of them would have stuff that would be deemed as bad, if not worse, than Spacey.
I think the key here, though, is risk assessment.
So these companies that are choosing to work with these actors or not work with them have taken a calculated risk assessment.
And I'm thinking, this man was just on Piers Morgan's show talking about the fact that he was an Epstein's plane and that at the very least, by being accused by dozens of people, there's an indication of some form of sexual impropriety.
Not necessarily criminal because he's been acquitted or not found guilty, but some degree of sexual impropriety.
And they're just thinking the risk is too high.
All right, let me bring in Nadrotic.
I mean, it's interesting to me that Will Smith is back.
Is he back?
I mean, does just having a massive box office hit basically put everything with him to one side?
I think so.
I think considering his crimes, which Drinker talked about, was a slap at the Oscars and it was the slap heard around the world.
And Jada didn't make anything any better.
And he didn't apologize to Chris Rock publicly, but one hit movie can do it.
And it's a self-aware movie.
I've seen it.
It's good.
Will Smith get slapped multiple times in a scene.
They leaned into it.
And if you do something like that, yeah, we're a pretty forgiving public when it comes to that.
Okay, and I saw Jerry on a separate point about that movie.
Jerry Bruckheimer, who's the producer, who also produced Top Gun Maverick and so many great blockbusters, he said at the weekend when he saw the box office numbers, if you make something the audience wants to see, they're going to see it.
It's that simple.
If it works for them, they'll line up.
I wish we all knew what that was.
We all have hits every time and then we don't.
You know, I've been on about this for a while, about old-fashioned blockbusters.
I like them.
I want to see more of them.
I think too much of the Hollywood fair that's been dished out has been alienating to a bigger audience.
Am I right?
What they've tried so hard to push over the past five, 10 years, it's very clearly not working at this point.
And I think there's now starting to, we're starting to see this pivot back to more, I guess, traditional storytelling and traditional movies.
And I think action movies like Bad Boy Sport are part of that swing.
It doesn't do anything revolutionary.
It doesn't subvert our expectations as an audience and it doesn't redefine the genre.
So what?
I don't need it to.
I just need an action movie with things that explode and people looking cool.
And that's what we get in a movie like this.
It's not that hard to please your audience, but man, Hollywood, Hollywood make it really difficult for themselves.
Can I just add that Will Smith's re-acceptance into Hollywood is because his Fall From Grace wasn't that bad.
Yes, he slapped Chris Rock, but I think his bigger crime is marrying a disloyal witch in Jada Smith.
Every man has made a mistake in romance.
All he didn't divorce her and get with Aguro Robbie.
I wrote a column at the time defending Will Smith because if my wife had alopecia and had lost all her hair and was feeling very sensitive and raw about it and some smart-ass comedian at the Oscars in front of billions of people ripped into her about it, mocking her for that, and I could see she was upset, I'd be straight up giving him a slap too.
What if she slept with your son's friend?
What if she slept with your son's friend?
Would you be as willing to know?
She admitted it.
She admitted with sleeping with Jaden's friends.
And what was that?
They separated rapidly.
I'm sure they were separating.
Well, it was irrelevant.
That's not irrelevant.
She's a disloyal witch.
It is irrelevant.
She doesn't know it is irrelevant.
That is still two things.
One, we don't know, again, Their entanglement of a marriage is what they have, and it's between them.
That's irrelevant to the fact that at the end of the day, that's Will's choice.
He still chose to be her husband.
But also, he is Will Smith.
He doesn't need to do that.
This whole conversation is pointless.
He assaulted.
To the larger point.
He assaulted a man.
There's no excuse for the man.
Well, he punched the book who was mocking his wife.
He slapped a guy.
Who cares why?
He should never have done that.
Really?
You wouldn't, of course.
You wouldn't defend your man.
James.
I wouldn't defend my man.
I don't think hitting someone.
If you had a man you love, I would never spouse a boyfriend who had allopie shit, lost all their hair, was very sensitive about it.
And some guy mocks him, you'd be straight up there.
It's a mission.
Slapping away for England.
Never dare.
I'd slap you right now.
That's it.
Listen, you do not slap someone if you're upset.
Go to therapy.
I can't believe I'm saying that again.
But you work through your pain.
You don't hit someone.
That's such an amazing thing.
That's such an American thing to do.
And all this nonsense about all right.
Don't talk over each other.
Let me ask.
Let me ask you.
Let me ask Critical Drink of this.
The other thing I miss about movies are bonk busters, the love scenes, which have disappeared.
Big piece in the sun newspaper over here today showing us all the memorable love scenes in Hollywood history.
And it's now all stopped.
And if there are any, they're tightly controlled by intimacy coordinators, which is about the most awful phrase in history.
Are we basically through a sort of weird puritanical purge?
Are we losing the love scene from Hollywood?
And is that something which benefits society or diminishes?
There's two angles to this.
Like, there is one, the observation that a lot of the love scenes that you see in movies are kind of superfluous to the plot and they are there to provide the audience with a bit of TNA.
And there's also the understanding that, you know, particularly if it's an action movie, it's going to be a predominantly male audience and they are going to appreciate that kind of thing.
I mean, James Bond is not even allowed to seduce Bond girls anymore.
He's not allowed to go near them.
Literally.
I mean, it's ridiculous.
He's James Bond.
There's something to be said for the sexual chemistry of just having two attractive people on screen who are attracted to each other.
And that's the shame that comes with that.
No, and that's the problem.
Now you get this weirdly chaste, asexual, sterile kind of relationship on screen where you just don't get anything to go with.
Just watch porn.
This is what we just watch.
Actually, acting in porn is so bad.
It's so fake.
And then I think the handyman's out the door.
I need some more acting chops.
I had a great friend.
We're talking to James Bond.
We're talking to James Bond.
This is the crazy.
Well, I was to say, I'd had a great conversation with Roger Moore, who was one of the great Bonds.
And I said, you know, what do you do about the love scenes?
And he said, well, Piers, he said, I would always have the same conversation with the Bond girls before we started the love scene filming.
Star Wars and Consent 00:03:48
I would say to them, I would like to apologize in advance if I get too excited.
And then he paused and he said, and then I would add, and I would also like to apologize if I don't.
Exactly.
I mean, Roger Verr is one of the best.
It's horrifying.
James Barr says that is horrifying.
Think about that for a moment.
James Barr finds it horrifying.
Well, I know we find it horrifying because a man might find women attractive.
There needs to be some consent, doesn't it?
There should be some consent.
You can't control how a man feels about an attractive woman.
If you don't give your low abdominal region consent to find someone attractive, I just, I just horrifying.
I'm shocked by that.
Somebody being excited by a beautiful woman is horrifying according to the fact that you're working next to Esther right now and you're not getting excited or apologizing for me.
We don't know that for sure.
That's a mission.
I'm 28.
I can't go hiding that.
Sadly, I am way beyond the bar.
Let me bring in Nadrotic.
I want to talk to you about Star Wars.
And this suggestion they may have lost the plot.
This was the director of lead actors, apparently, are both lesbians.
And this was an interview with the director.
You both, because this is arguably the gayest Star Wars.
By a considerable margin.
And are you excited about that?
Are you racing?
Is this the final element of it?
No, I don't think so.
And yet people have told me that it's the gayest Star Wars.
And I frankly know.
I think that Star Wars is so gay already.
Okay.
I mean, have you seen the fit?
So my first question, Nadrotic, what do they mean by the gayest Star Wars?
Do they actually mean gay, homosexual, given they're both lesbians?
Or do they mean gay, which apparently is an internet trend, a meme thing of kind of it's all gone a bit wokey?
What do they mean?
Yes.
The answer is yes to both questions after watching the first three episodes of The Acolyte where two women conceive twins without a man in an all-female matriarchal society where the force is now turned into a thread and it's not the force.
Yeah, I wouldn't argue with anything they said in that interview that it's been gay and it's been turned gay.
It's not Star Wars, a male brand that everybody could enjoy turned into a female brand that nobody can enjoy at this point.
Nobody's watching.
The ratings are creator.
It's the highest rating Disney Plus show of the year.
What are you talking about?
It's had more views than Piers Morgan's interview.
It had more views than Piers Morgan's interview with Kevin Spacey.
So what are you talking about?
That's been our foot for the show.
It's their highest rating streaming show of the year.
But it didn't have more views than Drinker's two videos on the subject.
Right.
And there you go.
Can I just say, the acolyte is anti-entertainment.
Like, Hollywood would entertain them, anti-entertainment.
They want to do everything to not entertain you.
It's incredible.
It's also just insane to say that a different planet can't have lesbians.
Like, what are you talking about?
Why are you doing that?
You can have the rules of aliens.
Look, man, you can have all the lesbians you want, but if you tried to pretend like the foundation of the whole Star Wars would be based around lesbian sex, like why gay, like men with their lightsabers, flash C3P.
Oh, no, she didn't.
Don't be ridiculous.
The gay is a little bit more.
Like, Darth Vader's chic sense of style.
Come on.
Woke Stereotypes Explained 00:03:01
This is just toxic man babies who don't want to share their toys.
That's what they're doing.
They're whining.
They're mad.
Let me bring it out.
I'm fine with Disney.
Keep making your lesbian interpretive dinner theater.
I think it's hilarious at this point.
Ernest?
Are you into lesbian interpretive dinner theater?
It's always the thing.
I just think it's always the trend, right?
If there's more women, if there's more queer people, if there's more people of color, there's always a whine from men like them that are going to always complain if they are not the center of attention.
Ooh, hoo-hoo.
If what we make is good, we'll support the people.
Like, if you make a lot of garbage, we're not good.
Yeah.
I watched bad boys, a couple of black guys running around solving crimes and stuff.
You're wineing.
I'm fine with that movie.
Oh, okay.
All right, so I like the expanse.
You know, they expressed it.
Name another one.
Name another one.
Name another.
I dare you.
Straight out of content.
I love that movie.
But listen, I like bad boys.
That doesn't mean I can't also enjoy lesbian dinner theater, in your words.
Like, why can't we enjoy?
Why can't we enjoy both of those things?
Why is it just so tragic?
When it happens, can you name one woke movie that's ever worked?
Who are you asking that question to?
Any of you.
Oh, God, Barbie.
Literally, honestly, I don't have the energy to get angry.
Black Panther wasn't a woke movie.
It was a brilliant movie.
Black Panther was an anomaly.
RJ was an anomaly.
He woke an anomaly.
Black Panther is a superhero created by two Jewish men, and they interpreted it properly.
Yeah, exactly.
As long as it's not a black person, that's why you don't think it's woke.
And Barbie was an atrocity.
It was interpreted properly.
What do you have trouble hearing now?
Barbie only worked because a load of women went out to thoroughly enjoy men being bashed.
Top Gun was pretty woke, the remake.
You know, the only one who got on the Oscar stage out of Barbie?
Ken.
Remember that?
Only one.
Ken had the last laugh.
It is so embarrassing.
Like, I mean, if I had time to sit on the internet and Google woke movies that were a success, then I would hit you with probably a little bit of a film.
You would find nothing.
Can you think of it?
I'm not a film critic, so I don't have them ready to go.
So the answer is you can't take it.
We just named them.
You just don't like the answer.
I said, I named one.
You just don't like the answer.
I agree.
Barbie is the only one I can think of in modern times.
I'll name one for you.
I'll help you out.
Captain Marvel.
That was a woke movie and it was intersectional feminism and it made a billion dollars.
Yeah.
Okay.
Works once in a while.
So occasionally they get it right or they get it wrong, but still get the right answer.
Top of the time they get it wrong.
It's pretty woke.
It moved towards having a much more diverse cast than the previous Top Guns.
So there's definitely room for the game.
No, but how's this helping some diverse cast make it woke?
I don't know.
And it had females in the cockpit, which was definitely not.
It's not woke, though.
Spacey's Return Predicted 00:01:45
How's that work?
Because it's so funny.
Well, there are females on the wall, so it's not as accurate.
It's accurate.
And when the first Top Gun came out, by the way, there probably weren't.
But that's what woke is that.
And now there are.
That's not what Woke is.
The origins of the work come from.
But in this conversation.
I'll give you an example of woke.
Is when Disney tried to do Snow White and the Seven Doors with no dwarves.
But that's not going to be a good thing.
When you see one of the dwarves is six foot four inches tall, you think, sorry, this is what I mean.
It is woke in a second.
They are trying.
They are trying to make sure that they do not play into stereotypes.
That's what this is about.
Snow White and the Seven Genderless Widgets.
I also think that's a good idea.
Let me end my one question.
I want to wrap things up.
Everyone answer very quickly on a yes or no.
In a year's time, will Kevin Spacey be back in a big movie?
Let me start with you, Critical Drinker.
No.
Okay, he might deserve to, potentially, but so.
No, Drotic?
No.
No.
Okay.
Esther?
Nope.
James?
Only if he makes it a Kevin safe spacey for the rest of the day.
Oh, my God.
Ernestian?
Ernest?
Will he or not?
Absolutely not.
Okay, I will bet you now that Kevin Spacey is back in a movie within a calendar year.
We will regroup on Uncensored.
The same group.
No, no.
He will be in a movie.
Anyway, we'll see.
I'm normally right about these things.
My parents, as always, brilliant.
Thank you all very much.
I've got a new movie on Channel 4 recently.
Thank you, Paris.
He knows something we don't know.
Here's something we don't know.
Pierce knows something we don't know.
He got the exclusive ready.
All right, guys.
Thank you very much.
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