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Dec. 15, 2022 - Uncensored - Piers Morgan
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Blistering Attack on Monarchy 00:03:36
Tonight of Piers Morgan Uncensored.
It was terrifying to have my brother scream and shout at me and my father say things that simply weren't true and my grandmother you know quietly sit there and sort of take it all in whining Prince Harry further tortures his royal relations with a blistering attack on the British monarchy and deeply personal incendiary claims about his own family Buckingham Palace remains dignified in his silence about the Netflix fallout.
A senior royal tonight presented a united front at a charity carol service.
The big question now is how much damage will this series inflict on the monarchy and Britain's image across the world.
Also tonight tens of thousands of nurses strike in the biggest walkout in the history of the NHS.
One of the nurses who saved Boris Johnson's life is now striking and she's here exclusively to tell me why.
Live from London, this is Piers Morgan Uncensored.
Well good evening from London.
Welcome to Piers Morgan Uncensored.
Today Harry and Megan torch what little was left of their relationship with the royal family and what little was left frankly of their own reputations.
Last week was mostly sycophantic.
This latest installment was downright seditious.
Prince Harry mauls his own brother, accuses his father, the new king, of being a liar.
Even has a dig at his late great grandmother, the queen, for standing by and doing nothing.
The royal family is directly accused of destroying two of its own to protect itself.
And I don't know where it all stops all this.
Where does it end?
We've got the book and then we've got the interview circuit and so it goes on.
It's all apparently a dark plot by Britain and the royals to smear the poor defenseless vulnerable Sussexes.
Trickery, treachery, hypocrisy.
And if there's one conclusion to draw from the final installment of their Netflix series, it's that Prince Harry surely is now a traitor to the country that he once served.
William and I both saw what happened in our dad's office and we made an agreement that we would never let that happen to our office.
And to see my brother's office copy the very same thing that we promised the two of us would never ever do, that was heartbreaking.
It was terrifying to have my brother scream and shout at me and my father say things that simply weren't true and my grandmother quietly sit there and sort of take it all in.
They're happy to lie to protect my brother and yet for three years they were never willing to tell the truth to protect us.
Unbelievable.
This blistering attack not only on the institution of the monarchy but also personally against the senior royals who represent our country around the world is in my view beyond contempt.
In their selfish vapid attempts to rewrite history, recasting themselves as victims, these two have sold their souls and they sold Harry's family down the river.
It's unforgivable and it will leave a bitter taste in the mouths of millions of people.
But there are toe-curling moments in the show too, moments that would upset even the strongest of stomachs.
A view is a force-fed simpering clips of the pair frolicking on Californian beaches during COVID in Tyler Perry's mansion no less, while most people were locked down, many in tiny homes with lots of children.
Institutional Gaslighting Exposed 00:07:34
But they were the real victims, not the thousands of people dying from a new pandemic virus.
They again cry foul of course at the beastly horrible media for pursuing them and wanting to take their pictures whilst persistently throughout this new installment showing their own highly intrusive pictures of their own children.
Did they ask permission from those children to invade their privacy for money, which is of course the very charge they make against the media?
We also learned that Megan actually thinks she's done Britain a favour.
We get on the plane and it's not the pilot, but whoever's sort of overseeing the crew.
And he came and he knelt next to my seat and he took his hat off.
And I just remember looking at him, he goes, We appreciate everything you did for our country.
And it was the first time that I felt like someone saw the sacrifice.
Not for my own country.
For this country that's not mine.
Sacrifice.
Is that a joke?
A sacrifice?
Who was this guy?
Who was this cabin steward?
Does he exist?
Or is he like the last one you met?
You remember at the Lion King premiere?
Who told you what a hero you were?
We couldn't find him, could we?
Will we find this cabin steward who apparently knelt and took his hat off in respect for this awesome woman who'd sacrificed so much for our country that she's actually caused so much damage to?
I'd like to know that person exists.
Or what is this one of the cabin crew doing what they normally do, which is they kind of crouch down, don't they?
And they take their hat off if they've got one on and ask whether you want chicken or beef.
That's normally what happens.
We also learned that Harry can't begin to understand why people might prefer Catherine, the Princess of Wales, who of course never complains, never explains, and just does her duty.
This is how it was covered for her.
This is how it was covered for her.
If you don't see the difference and understand why it's being reported that way, then I can't help you.
I can't.
I'm sorry.
I just can't.
I mean, you sound like a blithering lunatic.
Don't you, Harry?
I can't help you.
Really?
Well, let me help you.
There were a gazillion critical stories about Kate long before your beloved Megan came along.
They had nothing to do with Kate's skin colour.
And the Megan criticism had nothing to do with her skin colour at all.
Nothing to do with it.
She just started doing things along with you, which were rankly hypocritical and in some cases downright unpleasant.
And you both got called out for it.
And you don't like being criticised.
You think if anyone criticises you, they're automatically bullies and racists.
But they're not.
In fact, one of the people who's been accused of bullying is Meghan Markle by several of her PAs at the palace who had to sign NDAs so they couldn't tell the truth.
I'm sure that Meghan Markle and Harry, who want the truth to come out, would like those NDAs to be lifted and maybe they should say so publicly.
So we can hear from those PAs who I know at least one of them was regularly reduced to tears by the bullying from Meghan Markle.
And if Megan doesn't think she did bully, of course she can sue me because I've said it now.
So come and sue me and let's take it to court.
All of this leaves a deeply unpleasant taste in the mouth, doesn't it?
And again I say simply, where does it end?
How much damage do they want to cause?
They can't be allowed back to any royal events because they'll probably be wired up and taped for the next series of their thrilling life story.
So what do they do?
What does King Charles do about his own son?
Does he cut him off?
Does he strip him of his titles?
This is his son.
It's a Shakespearean tragedy unfurling.
And I'm afraid when it comes to help, I think Prince Harry might be beyond it.
He's been manipulated, and I think partly it's down to him as well, into believing they're genuine freedom fighters.
To see this institutional gaslighting that happens is extraordinary.
And that's why everything that's happened to us was always going to happen to us.
Because if you speak truth to power, that's how they respond.
Truth to power.
What are you talking about?
Your Prince Harry, the Duke of Sussex, once third in line to the throne.
It doesn't get a lot more powerful than you before you decamped for your freedom, before you gave up any royal duty, but wanted to have your royal cake and eat it by keeping your title so you could exploit them and make gazillions of dollars in America to the highest bidder.
And what do you do for that money?
You trash your family endlessly.
And you're going to keep doing it, as does your wife, who trashes her own family, most of whom she's disowned.
Is this what happiness looks like, Harry?
Really?
You're happy?
Hating your entire family?
Your wife hating all hers, apart from her mother?
Like many of the claims in the series, none of this stacks up, does it?
There were the claims of racism at the palace, but no evidence of who that person was or what they actually said.
Apparently, Megan, she repeated this in this new installment, was banned by somebody at the palace from seeking help for her suicidal thoughts.
Think about that for a moment.
Who was that person?
Are they still working at the palace?
Does that person exist?
Did somebody actually say to her, you might be feeling suicidal, but it's bad for the brand.
You can't get help.
And if they did, where was her husband in all this?
Where was Prince Harry?
Mr. Mental Health.
He never stops banging on about it and about the need to get help.
And yet when his own wife apparently had suicidal thoughts, he didn't get her help.
Does that make any sense?
Does that sound even remotely plausible to you?
Because it doesn't to me.
So that's where we are.
Another tissue of self-serving lies, mostly, I suspect.
We don't know yet, but most of it looks like the Oprah interview, just another load of unsubstantiated smears designed to portray them as victims.
It doesn't really pass the muster of fact-checking.
One minute they're the beloved young couple who inspired a nation, the next that nation is horribly racist, out to throw Meghan to the walls in the very beginning.
The attacks on the press were so wicked that she was hated and feared for her life.
But also the entire plot against them was because they were simply too popular.
So they were hated and despised and too popular.
And this was all apparently a heroic fight for family privacy.
But we have to learn about that fight in a $100 million reality TV show that flaunts their young family and boasts about their very public social justice campaigns.
Harry and Meghan take their audience for fools.
They blame everybody but themselves.
They present even the most incendiary of claims with no evidence.
And sadly, the impact is real.
Selling Souls for Lies 00:15:54
The royal family is getting damaged.
The monarchy is getting tarnished.
People are believing, including Beyoncé, it appeared from this series.
They're believing that the royal family are a bunch of callous racists.
Well, they're not.
I know the royal family, a lot of them well.
And they're not callous racists.
And they're furious about this and their right to be furious.
Okay, well, let's get into debating this.
I feel strongly about it.
I make no pretense about it.
The longer this has gone on, the more the attacks have grown in their ferocity.
The more that you have the knowledge that the other side can't fight back.
That's what I find so reprehensible.
And Harry knows that.
He knows they won't.
They're going to maintain the stiff upper lip and dignity, which used to be what being a royal was all about.
Well, I'm joined now by my pat, Paul Burrell, of course, famous royal butler, Katie Nicoll, one of the top royal experts, I suppose you are, aren't you?
Don't say Harry now.
And Paula Ronadrian, of course, is here as well.
So let me start with Paul Burrell.
Paul, we've talked a bit about this, haven't we?
about this fracturing between William and Harry.
Harry's now gone on television and called his brother William a bully that bullied him out of the country and made a number of other allegations.
He called his dad a liar, he had a go at the Queen, everything.
When you watched it, I mean, my jaw was dropping that he was literally taking them all down one by one.
What was your joy doing?
I was, well, I saw six hours of it and I was very saddened by all of it because I realized that there's no way back now for Harry.
He's abandoned his family, he's abandoned his duty and he's abandoned his country.
And he's disrespected his grandmother's legacy, which is the Commonwealth of Countries, which she upheld through her lifetime.
And, you know, you can't say these things about your family and get away with it.
And I don't think that he'll ever be welcomed back here again.
I think the British public will have something to say about that.
And there are certain things that came out in this interview, which I totally didn't agree with at all.
I mean, he said that he couldn't get to his grandmother.
He lived literally a few hundred yards away from her back door at Windsor Castle at Frogmore Cottages.
He could have walked up the hill, gone through that door and gone into his grandmother's sitting room at any time and said, Granny, I've got a problem.
The Queen's door was always open.
It doesn't matter about what the courtiers say.
The Queen would say, I'm your grandmother, Harry.
I love you.
You can come and talk to me if you have a problem.
So, Harry, you're trying to pull the wool over our eyes.
I know better than that.
And the meeting at Sandringham, yes, you did attend that.
And in that meeting, apparently Harry said to his grandmother, I'd like to stay in the royal family and wear my uniforms and have my army contacts and then go back to America and do my commercial campaigns.
And the Queen quite rightly said, Harry, you can't have one foot in the camp and one foot out because that's not fair to the rest of the royal family who can't do these commercial deals, who just do their duty for the country.
So you can't have your cake and eat it.
And quite rightly, the Queen, the Queen herself, said no.
And so Harry went to the city.
And so he had a dig at her in the Netflix series whilst knowing that she'd recently lost Prince Philip and that she herself was in very ill health and has now died, sadly.
You know, the timing of all this, apart from anything else, is so reprehensible.
Paula Ron Adrian, look, you've always defended.
But Paul, just hang on a sec.
Yes, I've always defended Harry.
Yeah, I'll come back to you, Paul.
I'm talking to Paula just quickly about this.
You've always defended them.
Surely when you watch that latest stuff today, watching anybody take down their brother, their father, their grandmother on television is not a good thing.
It's not a good thing.
But I have always said to you, peers, that this is only going to get worse unless we stop and start listening.
What you are witnessing are people who believe that they have been treated badly.
Whether you believe them or not, whether you want to shout at them or not, whether you want to deny them or not, whether you want us to listen to 12 minutes of you telling us how awful they are as human beings.
I think they are awful.
But that may well be your opinion.
And you're here to give me yours, right?
Which is different.
Yeah, and what's happening?
It's a one-way show.
I mean, you're entitled to say whatever you want.
Well, of course.
And so are they.
And so are they.
And that is what they are doing.
That is what they feel they have been doing.
They can say what they like.
They can do.
But when they do what they do.
That's what they're doing.
That's fine.
But when they do what they do, we are entitled in this country, when our country is put under attack like this and branded a racist country by these two, with a racist royal family at the head of it.
We are entitled to defend what this country stands for.
We know about the institute that is the royal family.
We've seen what happens when somebody calls out a member of the royal household and says that they are racist.
What happens to them?
Well, they have to stop working.
They have to close.
Who was racist?
Well, we know that there was the incident with Lady Hussey.
Forget Lady Hussy.
No, we won't.
Who forget Lady Hussey?
She was removed from office within 24 hours.
We won't forget her.
She was removed the moment she is made accountable of what was in the royal household to Meghan and Harry.
It could have been Lady Hussey.
You don't know at the time.
You don't know, do you?
It could have been Lady Hussey.
But it was a member of the family.
It could have been somebody else.
Exactly.
And so what we're doing is that...
Instead, we're told it could be any of them.
So they're all smeared by association.
And as I've said, we can keep shouting, but the fact is they are hurting and we are witnessing that.
Not hurting.
They're not counting their money.
They're not deal with that.
They're not hurting.
Well, you say they're counting their money.
I mean, look, you're not criticising Mike Tyndall for being on I'm a celebrity, are you?
Or doing adverts with Amazon or Domino's or whoever it is he's doing actually?
Mike Tyndall is not a paid up member of the royal family.
He doesn't get anything from the taxpayers.
Neither do they.
Not now.
Neither do they.
They've earned money.
No, no, hang on.
They've given up royal duty and they've left the country and the family.
But what they haven't given up is the royal titles, which now make them all the money.
Well, I was just about to say, the point of royal titles.
Listen, they are entitled to have their opinion.
If they absolutely hate the establishment, they hate, well, they've left Britain, right?
They've stood down as working royals.
I think there is a real issue with them holding on to those titles.
It's very clear to see from everything that we've seen in Netflix that without that royal calling card, there is nothing.
No one is actually interested in what they have to say about anything else.
So when they go to the city, sorry, just let me finish.
It's always going to be printed.
If they hate the institution so much, if it's racist and bigoted and alienating and everything else, then do what they actually said.
And this was new, because this was one of the new things that did come out of today.
They offered to return those titles if their version of a half-in, half-out monarchy didn't work.
So they've put that offer on the table.
If they have a shred of dignity left, put that off a beck on the table and follow through.
Why would you want to be in a racist institution?
So why would a black police officer want to be part of the police, Metropolitan Police?
Why would a black female fire officer want to be a part of the London fireball?
Why do they want to be in the Royal Family?
You do it.
You do it.
They hate the Royal Family.
They hate the family.
They love it.
You do it because you love the family.
They don't love the Royal Family.
You're talking about his dad.
You're talking about his brother.
Of course they love it.
They are in pain.
They are hurting.
They're not in pain.
This is a family.
They're not causing pain.
They're inflicting pain.
Come on.
There's more than that.
They're the ones doing all the abusing in public.
Victim blaming.
This is a classic.
Victim blaming.
They're going to step back and look at what's happening.
They're not victims.
What you are hearing and what I'm hearing is an absolute tsunami of denial, denial, denial.
Anything that comes out, anything that comes out of their mouth.
I don't believe what she says.
So I want to hear you say that absolutely everything that has come out of Harry and Meghan's mouth is a lie.
I think a lot of it is actually.
Not a lot.
No, I think a lot of it is.
Only the stuff that we can survive.
If there is some truth in what they've got to say, should we not be worried?
Should we not be worried?
There was a clip today which I thought completely summed them up.
There was Tyler Perry, who for some random reason, he'd never met them, decides to give him his mansion.
So they're living in this vast mansion during the COVID pandemic, which you think they might feel lucky about.
But no, no, they're moaning away about that too.
And Tyler Perry is talking over footage and saying they've been abused by their status in the royal family.
And the footage shows a sneaky paparazzi craning down from a rooftop, taking pictures of them with their child.
Only it wasn't a paparazzi.
It was a royal photographer who had been accredited and approved by them to take those pictures on an official tour.
So it wasn't what it seemed.
It was a lie.
They're the producers of this series.
They know it's a lie and they put it in there so that people fall for this claptrap.
Rather like we saw the vast army of paparazzi aiming at them at some event, but it wasn't.
It was a Harry Potter premiere.
They weren't even there.
It was five years before he met Meghan Markle.
All of it is smoke and mirrors.
And on the really incendiary stuff, no evidence.
Who is this person at the palace that said to Meghan Markle, I don't care that you're feeling suicidal.
You don't get any help.
Why didn't Harry get her the help if she was genuinely suicidal?
Who is the racist in the palace?
They still won't tell us.
These are serious allegations causing serious damage to our royal family and this country's reputation.
And it's not good enough that they keep going on television, spray gunning everybody again, and they don't give us the actual facts.
I think Harry's got a lot of Meghan have been incredibly brave.
They are taking on an institution.
And you said...
There's some two institutions that I'm afraid they're trying to take down.
And this is a blatant attempt to take down, but they won't succeed.
And I think the Royal Family's dignity in maintaining its silence and that show of togetherness tonight is actually what people want.
I think people are just switching off and thinking people to believe that the Royal Family are keeping a dignified silence.
We know that that's not true.
Well, then we know to feel these narratives.
Sorry, we know.
Where is the evidence close to?
Where's the evidence in there alleged?
Why don't we read in the articles in the newspapers?
It always references a source.
But where was the evidence?
It's always a source.
Well, where is this source?
But there wasn't any source.
There wasn't any evidence.
I've got to leave it there.
Final question just to Paul before we let you go.
Paul, you've been around the Royal Family a very long time.
What will the Royal Family be feeling about all this?
They'll be appalled by all of this.
Washing dirty laundry in public.
It's not their scene.
And they will close ranks.
They will hold it together with dignity.
And you're quite right.
That's what we expect them to do.
Don't attack Kate and William because they are our future king and queen.
Kate has never put a foot wrong.
Don't attack her.
She's the jewel in our crown right now.
And she deserves our respect and admiration.
And had unbelievable criticism early on, actually, which everyone conveniently gets.
You don't see any of that in the series.
It's all just about negative for Megan, positive for Kate.
Total lies.
Absolute lies.
Anyway, thank you.
But fasten your seat, Bills, though.
Fasten your seat.
Well, we've got the book to come, right?
We've got 400 pages of crap to come.
I mean, this never stops, right?
Thank you, Katie.
Good to see you.
Thank you, Paula.
Always good to hear the other view.
I don't agree with it, but I respect your right to have it.
However, misguided.
Well, still to come tonight.
And look at the division it causes here as well.
They launched a load of divisions.
Was Meghan Markle made a scapegoat for the Royal Rift or were the fault lines from Harry and William there already?
We'll debate that next.
And we're going to have a nurse who helped save Boris Johnson's life and is now striking in protest against the Conservative government.
That's exclusive and upcoming.
Well, welcome back.
It's another fiery show because this is a subject that gets people's passions fired up.
What's becoming clear is that Meghan Markle's definitely not alone in her delusional victimhood.
Harry seems even more bitter and twisted about it all and wants us to think he's an even bigger victim.
And his relationship with his brother William is now likely torched beyond all repair.
Well, where did they all go wrong?
According to the Sussex version of events, their truth, which is very rarely the truth, says that Meghan Markle was scapegoated by the palace because she was, get this, too popular, whilst at the same time being so criticised.
I think Australia was a real turning point because they were so popular, so popular with the public.
The internals at the palace were incredibly threatened by that.
She's becoming a royal rock star.
Bigger, I would argue, as a couple than William and Kate.
That's probably not a good thing in the long term.
It's a dirty game.
You know, there's leaking, but there's also planting of stories.
You would just see it play out.
Like a story about someone in the family would pop up for a minute and they go, I've got to make that go away.
But there's real estate on a website, homepage.
There is real estate there on a newspaper front cover.
And something has to be filled in there about someone royal.
I've seen little cartoons of me on all fours with her holding a dog lead and me wearing the dog collar.
How predictable that, you know, the woman is to be blamed for the decision of a couple.
In fact, it was my decision.
She never asked to leave.
I was the one that had to see it for myself.
But it's misogyny at its best.
All doormats say that kind of thing, don't they?
Well, joining me now, the author and historian Tessa Dunlop, journalist and columnist Maureen Carran from Costa Pond, a former Conservative minister, who gets a mention in the series.
Anne Whitcomb, welcome to all of you.
Maureen Callahan, what is the view in America about all this?
I'm hearing a worrying number of Americans falling for this claptrap, including, it turns out, Beyoncé, who sent this ridiculous text message to Meghan Markle after the Oprah win-a-thon, saluting her courageous, brilliant stand against...
Well, we've got to hear, I think.
Beyonce just texted.
Really, man.
Shut up.
Just checking in.
Just checking in.
Just casual.
I still can't believe in her.
I still can't believe she knows who I am.
Go and call her.
No, it's okay.
She said she wants me to feel safe and protected.
She admires and respects my bravery and vulnerability and thinks I was selected to break generational curses that need to be healed.
That's all sad.
Yeah, even the dog is calling bullshit on that.
Maureen, what do you think?
What do you make of this?
What does America make of this?
Do most rational Americans see through this?
Oh, peers, yes, please.
Again, let me reassure you.
Beyonce would be in the minority opinion of these two.
I think we are all well and thoroughly exhausted by this endless moaning and whinging and banging on, you know, and the hurling of vague accusations.
I mean, all this time later, all of these podcasts and interviews and now this six-parter and a book to come, and we still have no smoking gun.
What are they waiting for?
Well, there is no smoking gun, is there?
Or we would have heard it by now.
Hypocrisy and Endless Moaning 00:05:44
All it is is endless rehashing of the same old wines.
They're very, very, very in love with their grievances, their victimhood.
It's a very strange psyche they seem to share.
You know, you were talking earlier about, you know, how much Harry may be to blame, but I really think in Megan, he found someone to really unlock, I think, years of rage and resentment and jealousy because this is like a tsunami.
It just keeps coming and coming and coming.
And the constant comparisons to his mother, actually, I found, I've got to say, pretty distasteful because in my estimation, having known them both, both women, no comparison whatsoever is valid between Meghan Markle and Princess Diana.
And Diana's fame was stratospherically bigger, as was the attention that was afforded to her.
All right, Tessa Dunlop, you've been seething and waiting to get stuck into me all night.
Come on.
I mean, you do.
You are the tangible proof that this is a dirty grain, Piers.
You helped make it a dirty game.
And you're carrying on spreading the muck all around like a little kiddie who's done a poo and wants to look at it.
Let's stick it everywhere.
Come on, calm down.
Actually, it's them that's spreading the muck.
They're the only members of the royal family doing any of the talking.
They're the ones on all the TV stations and TV series and podcasts and books spray gunning their family, our royal family, our monarchy, and my country Britain, branding a bunch of callous racism.
They are the ones spreading the dirt.
De-puff your patriotic chest.
They've made it very, I'm going to explain to you.
They've made it very clear that actually I thought they were very coded and careful when they called out, rarely, incidentally, you have to sit through a long three hours to find any specifics on William or Charles.
They're very careful to target most of it at the Fourth Estate, particularly the Associated Press, which they had a victory over in the courts while it was settled.
And then they won the appeal.
Harry Pittsburgh.
But more specifically.
Harry claimed the Daily Mail was actually responsible for his wife's miscarriage.
And that is...
Without providing a shred of evidence that that was true.
I fed you that line off air.
That was a classic case of a vulnerable man who's fighting a difficult case, feeling like he's a family.
Or a vengeful together and equalling 5%.
Or a vengeful, vindictive man who actually says he hates the press and media attention, but has just invaded the privacy of his family in spectacular fashion because a streaming platform has paid him $100 million.
There's a word for that, and it is hypocrisy.
Piers, what he did was call out, and he referred to it as the symbiotic relationship between the press and the royal family.
He is well within his rights to do that.
And we're within our rights to judge that.
The reason that I feel keen tonight to hold you to account is that as we heard in that documentary, you were a big player, a giant mouthpiece for literally stirring, or, if I may, ship-stirring.
Harry and Megan are bigger than Kate and William.
Ooh, that's going to destabilise things.
Ooh, let's just throw in a match and watch it blow up.
That's what you did.
You were like the kid with his finger in the dice, waiting, wiggling till the flood comes.
Calm down to the base.
I'm not calm, Piers.
I'm not calm.
You don't have to be calm.
I'm just saying, if you calm down, I can respond, which is to say that up to the point they got married, I was very supportive of them, including on their wedding day, writing a very, very supportive piece for the mail on Sunday, actually, about how brilliant it was to see a biracial wedding finally in the royal family.
It was only when their behaviour changed, when they became a serial pair of hypocrites wanting their royal cake and eating it, preaching about stuff they did the complete opposite with, that I turned against it.
Let's go down to Anne Whittigam.
Anne, you get mentioned in the series.
Were you expecting that?
And what was your reaction?
Honestly, Piers, it gave me the greatest belly laugh that I've had since Neil Kinnock fell in the sea.
I mean, it was unbelievable.
I made an adverse comment about Megan on Celebrity Big Brother.
Now, as you know, Celebrity Big Brother, you're completely cut off from the rest of the world.
You know, I hardly had the palace on the phone.
And apparently, the fact that I had made this comment, which was my own genuine opinion, is all part of, it's proof of the conspiracy that there was to discredit Meghan.
I'll tell you what Anne.
I gave my own opinion.
Let's watch the clip, actually, for the viewers who didn't see it.
Let's watch the clip from Celebrity Big Brother.
But there's real estate on a website, homepage.
There is real estate there on a newspaper front cover, and something has to be filled in there about someone royal.
What do we all think about Megan Markle?
I love Nekhan.
I think she's very beautiful.
No, I love her.
Okay, let's take a vote.
I think she's trouble.
Why do you think she's trouble, Anne?
Background?
Attitude.
I worry.
She's older than him.
Yeah.
She's been married before.
Yes.
I add it all up and I'm uneasy.
Well, there we go.
Well, you weren't wrong, were you, Anne Whitticomb?
Because she was, she's a lot older than Harry, five years older.
She's a divorcee.
The last husband heard it was all over, I think, when she sent the rings back in the mail.
And she comes barreling into the royal family, picks up her handsome prince, and before we know it, drags him back to California to turn into a money machine, and they disown both their families.
I would say that is the personification of trouble.
Well, absolutely, as I say, 10 out of 10 for prophecy on my part.
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But I think it's very clear what's gone on.
Megan wants the lifestyle of an A-list celebrity, but she's never risen above a part in a TV soap opera.
And Harry wants all the trappings of royalty without actually the slog of the duty that goes with it.
And that's what they want.
And that's what all this is about.
It's about making money from the only thing that they've got, which is their royal connections.
They've got nothing else.
They've got nothing else to do.
Make money.
They're attacking an institution that you exploit for personal gain.
It's quite breathtaking.
I've got to leave it there.
Thank you to my panel.
A lively debate.
Thank you, Tessa.
We'll get you back.
Don't worry.
You can hold your horses till the next barrage you give me.
Well, next tonight, nurses have walked out the biggest strike of its kind in NHS history.
The nurse who helped save Boris Johnson's life is one of them, and she's here exclusively to tell me why.
Welcome back to Piers Organised Censor.
We clapped, we clanged, and we banged for them as they risked their lives for us working on the COVID wards in grossly inadequate PPE.
Two years on, for the first time in history, tens of thousands of nurses are on the picket line striking over pay.
Royal College of Nursing boss said that she was truly sorry for taking the strike action.
Well, joining me now is Jenny McGee, who's the intensive care nurse who looked after and helped save the life of our former Prime Minister Boris Johnson when he was admitted to ICU with COVID-19.
Jenny, it's great to see you.
I remember obviously what happened and it was an extraordinary moment for the country as we all sort of waited and you were part of a team which helped save him and thank you for that.
It was a great service you did the country.
Now you're going on strike, in a way a protest against the Conservative government, whose leader at the time you helped save his life.
Why are you going on strike?
What does it mean so much to you that you feel you have to do this?
I think there's just a real concern for what's happening in our profession.
We are terribly, terribly understaffed.
We have 50,000 vacancies across this country and we are seeing that on the wards.
We're seeing that when we're working.
We do not have enough nurses on our wards.
We feel that nurses are leaving the profession in droves because...
Why are they leaving, do you think?
I think they're leaving because we've had enough.
We have so much pressure and responsibilities put on our shoulders.
We are busy every single shift.
We can't give that care that we so desperately want to give.
And we feel that we're underpaid.
As I say, we have a lot of responsibility on our shoulders.
We care very deeply about the patients that we look after.
But we just want to be paid a fair wage.
I completely agree with you.
And I would always support nurses up and down the country.
I think you're a fantastic group of people.
And I think there's a horrible hypocrisy for those who are out applauding you every Thursday as you were literally risking your lives and then now would oppose your right to a fair pay rise.
I think that's ridiculous.
The question is, I guess, how much in the end would constitute a fair rise?
I don't think 19% pay rise for any people in the country right now are sustainable.
And it sets a precedent for the other industries, obviously, as well.
What do you think?
I mean, inflation's running about 10% right now.
What do you think would be a fair, reasonable, final settlement?
I think personally, from my point of view, I think a pay rise which is fair in terms of inflation.
So I think 19% is not out of the question because we have worked so incredibly hard throughout the pandemic and we have proved ourselves time and time again.
But we just want something that we can live on that's in line with inflation.
We're not asking for millions, we're just asking for a fair wage.
What does it do to you when you feel underpaid, undervalued, overworked, understaffed, under huge pressure?
What toll does that take on you as a human being?
Incredible toll because all we really want to do is give wonderful care to the patients that we're looking after.
That's what we're in the profession to do.
That's why we're nurses.
We want to look after people.
We want to make them better.
And when you have all these external things coming in and interfering with that, it's demoralising.
It's so tough.
And I quit my job a year or two ago because of all those pressures that I had on me.
I felt I couldn't do it anymore here in the UK and I needed a break.
And that's what's happening to many, many nurses.
And what made you come back?
Well, I have a life here in London.
So I took a break and I went abroad for a year.
I went home to New Zealand, spent lots of time with my family.
But I have a life here.
And, you know.
Now you work in various hospitals as an ICU nurse.
In intensive care, but I don't have a permanent job.
I pick up work day to day, so I have control over when I want to work.
Do you feel any qualms about striking?
It's first time nurses have gone on strike.
Obviously, you deal with people's lives.
Do you feel qualms about doing this on the morality side of it?
I mean, we haven't gone into this with no thought.
And the strike days were planned, and a lot of thought went into how we were going to strike.
In the hospitals, we still had intensive care staffed, emergencies.
So a lot of thought went into how we were going to do it.
But I think it was necessary.
We need people to take note.
Well, I think the NHS is creaking at the seams.
And the only people propping it up are people like you.
And I thank you for your service.
I think it's amazing the job that you do.
Thank you.
And you were brought into public attention by what happened with Boris Johnson.
But actually, you do that every day when you're in the hospital in the IC units, saving all sorts of people, most of whom are not leaders of country.
So thank you, and I hope that you get the pay rise you deserve.
I want to bring in now another nurse.
We're going to call her Anna.
She wants to remain anonymous.
We're not going to say where she is a nurse, but she's an experienced NHS nurse who has reservations about these strikes, doesn't feel comfortable.
So we're going to call you Anna.
Anna, tell me why you don't agree with this, with the strikes.
Hi, sir.
Well, me, I don't agree with the strike as such.
I mean, everybody can go on strike, right, and demand whatever they want.
But I think the demand is for the fair pay.
What exactly is fair?
How are we going to define fair?
And every time the inflation will change and are we going to go strike every time?
That's endless.
And I think instead of striking against, I mean, about our pay, we should ask to stop the waste of money in NHS.
And then we would have the money for all the pay rise and for everything else we need.
This is where I think we should be focusing on.
Yeah, I mean, I do think, you know, if I was a nurse right now, I'd be looking at all the money that was squandered on PPE that didn't work, testing systems that didn't work, you know, contracts to companies, left, right, and center, all of whom made fortunes out of stuff that just didn't work in the pandemic.
And I'd be thinking, well, we found the money for all that suddenly when we had to.
Where is that money actually for the people who are in the cold phase every day?
Well, exactly.
And also, what is the accountability of the wastage of the money?
Who order certain things?
And before pandemic, what about wastage of medication?
How many times a patient is prescribed medication and given a full dose for a certain amount of time and actually stopped in the middle?
And the medication is being wasted.
It doesn't go anywhere.
And thousands of thousands of pounds is being just thrown away.
What about other things?
I don't know, sticker posters.
When you're working on the world, you can see thousands of pounds being just flashed down the pathway.
It must be in radio.
I'll tell you, I know what I also feel strongly about.
I absolutely despise the fact that nurses in this country and doctors still have to pay for parking outside hospitals.
I think it's a complete and utter disgrace that you go in to save people's lives and we charge you for the honor of parking outside the hospitals.
It is a total, total disgrace.
It shames this country.
I've got to leave it there.
Anna, thank you for calling in.
Keep up the great work.
I know that you all basically, I think, share the concerns.
It's really about how you get to where you want to get to, which is to be valued properly.
So I thank you for joining me.
Thank you so much.
Thank you.
And thank you again, Jenny.
I appreciate it.
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Well, welcome back.
It's another fiery show because this is the subject that gets people's passions fired up.
What's becoming clear is that Meghan Markle is definitely not alone in her delusional victimhood.
Harry seems even more bitter and twisted about it all and wants us to think he's an even bigger victim.
And his relationship with his brother, William, is now likely torched beyond all repair.
Well, where did it all go wrong?
According to the Sussex version of events, their truth, which is very rarely the truth, says that Meghan Markle was scapegoated by the palace because she was, get this, too popular, whilst at the same time being so criticised.
I think Australia was a real turning point because they were so popular.
So popular with the public.
The internals at the palace were incredibly threatened by that.
She's becoming a royal rock star.
Bigger, I would argue, as a couple than William and Kate.
That's probably not a good thing in the long term.
It's a dirty game.
You know, there's leaking, but there's also planting of stories.
You would just see it play out.
Like a story about someone in the family would pop up for a minute and they go, we've got to make that go away.
But there's real estate on a website, homepage.
There is real estate there on a newspaper front cover.
And something has to be filled in there about someone royal.
I've seen little cartoons of me on all fours with her holding a dog lead and me wearing the dog collar.
How predictable that, you know, the woman is to be blamed for the decision of a couple.
In fact, it was my decision.
She never asked to leave.
I was the one that had to see it for myself.
But it's misogyny at its best.
All doormats say that kind of thing, don't they?
Well, joining me now, the author and historian Tessa Dunlop, journalist and columnist Maureen Callan across the pond, a former Conservative minister who gets a mention in the series, Anne Whittaken.
Welcome to all of you.
Maureen Callahan, what is the view in America? about all this?
I'm hearing a worrying number of Americans falling for this claptrap, including, it turns out, Beyoncé, who sent this ridiculous text message to Meghan Markle after the Oprah win-a-thon, saluting her courageous, brilliant stand against the...
Well, we've got to hear, I think.
Beyonce just texted.
Really, man.
Shut up.
Just checking in.
Just checking in.
Just casual.
I still can't believe it.
I still can't believe she knows who I am.
Go and call her.
No, it's okay.
She said she wants me to feel safe and protected.
She admires and respects my bravery and vulnerability and thinks I was selected to break generational curses that need to be healed.
That's all sad.
Yeah, even the dog is calling bullshit on that.
Maureen, what do you think?
What do you make of this?
What does America make of this?
Do most rational Americans see through this?
Oh, Piers, yes, please.
Again, let me reassure you.
Beyonce would be in the minority opinion of these two.
I think we are all well and thoroughly exhausted by this endless moaning and whinging and banging on, you know, and the hurling of vague accusations.
I mean, all this time later, all of these podcasts and interviews and now this six-parter and a book to come, and we still have no smoking gun.
What are they waiting for?
Well, there is no smoking gun, is there?
Or we would have heard it by now.
All it is is endless rehashing of the same old wines.
They're very, very, very in love with their grievances, their victimhood.
It's a very strange psyche they seem to share.
You know, you were talking earlier about, you know, how much Harry may be to blame, but I really think in Megan, he found someone to really unlock, I think, years of rage and resentment and jealousy because this is like a tsunami.
It just keeps coming and coming and coming.
And the constant comparisons to his mother, actually, I found, I've got to say, pretty distasteful because in my estimation, having known them both, both women, no comparison whatsoever is valid between Meghan Markle and Princess Diana.
And Diana's fame was stratospherically bigger, as was the attention that was afforded to her.
All right, Tessa Dunlop, you've been seething and waiting to get stuck into me all night.
Come on.
I mean, you do.
You are the tangible proof that this is a dirty grain, Pierce.
You helped make it a dirty grain.
And you're carrying on spreading the muck all around like a little kiddie who's done a poo and wants to look at it.
Everything is.
Come on, calm down.
Actually, it's them that are spreading the muck.
They're the only members of the royal family doing any of the talking.
They're the ones on all the TV stations and TV series and podcasts and books spray gunning their family, our royal family, our monarchy, and my country Britain, branding a bunch of callous racism.
They are the ones spreading the dirt.
Deepuff your patriotic chest.
Why?
They've made it very...
I'm going to explain to you.
They've made it very clear that actually I thought they were very coded and careful when they called out, rarely, incidentally, you have to sit through a long three hours to find any specifics on William or Charles.
They're very careful to target most of it at the Fourth Estate, particularly the Associated Press, which they had a victory over in the courts while it was settled.
And then they won the appeal.
Harry.
Harry claimed the Daily Mail was actually responsible for his wife's miscarriage without providing a shred of evidence that that was true.
I fed you that line off air.
That was a classic case of a vulnerable man who's fighting a difficult case, feeling like a powerful person.
Or a vengeful victim.
Putting two and two together and equaling five.
Or a vengeful, vindictive man who actually says he hates the press and media attention, but has just invaded the privacy of his family in spectacular fashion because a streaming platform has paid him $100 million.
There's a word for that, and it is hypocrisy.
Piers, what he did was call out, and he referred to it as the symbiotic relationship between the press and the royal family.
He is well within his rights to do that.
And we're within our rights to judge.
And the reason that I feel keen tonight to hold you to account is that as we heard in that documentary, you were a big player, a giant mouthpiece for literally stirring, or, if I may, ship-stirring.
Harry and Megan are bigger than Kate and William.
Ooh, that's going to destabilise things.
Ooh, let's just throw in a match and watch it blow up.
That's what you did.
You're like the kid with his finger in the dice, waiting, wiggling till the flood comes.
Calm down to the face.
I'm not calm, Piers.
I'm not calm.
You don't have to be calm.
I'm just saying, if you're calm down, I can respond.
Which is to say that up to the point they got married, I was very supportive of them, including on their wedding day, writing a very, very supportive piece for the mail on Sunday, actually, about how brilliant it was to see a biracial wedding finally in the royal family.
It was only when their behaviour changed, when they became a serial pair of hypocrites wanting their royal cake and eating it, preaching about stuff they did the complete opposite with, that I turned against them.
Let's go down to Anne Whitticom.
Anne, you get mentioned in the series.
Were you expecting that?
And what was your reaction?
Honestly, Piers, it gave me the greatest belly laugh that I've had since Neil Kinnock fell in the sea.
I mean, it was unbelievable.
I made an adverse comment about Megan on Celebrity Big Brother.
Now, as you know, Celebrity Big Brother, you're completely cut off from the rest of the world.
You know, I hardly had the palace on the phone.
And apparently, the fact that I had made this comment, which was my own genuine opinion, is all part of, it's proof of, the conspiracy that there was to discredit Meghan.
I'll tell you what Anne.
I gave my own opinion.
Let's watch the clip, actually, for viewers who didn't see it.
Let's watch the clip from Celebrity Big Brother.
But there's real estate on a website, homepage.
There is real estate there on a newspaper front cover.
And something has to be filled in there about someone royal.
What do we all think about Megan Markle?
I love Nick.
I think she's very beautiful.
No, I love her.
Okay, let's take a vote.
I think she's trouble.
Why do you think she's trouble, Anne?
Background.
Attitude, I worry.
She's older than him.
Yeah.
She's been married before.
Yes.
I add it all up and I'm uneasy.
There we go.
Well, you weren't wrong, were you, Anne Whitticomb?
Because she was, she's a lot older than Harry, five years older.
She's a divorcee.
The last husband heard it was all over, I think, when she said the rings back in the mail.
And she comes barreling into the royal family, picks up her handsome prince, and before we know it, drags him back to California to turn into a money machine, and they disown both their families.
I would say that is the personification of trouble.
Well, absolutely, as I say, 10 out of 10 for prophecy on my part.
But I think it's very clear what's gone on.
Megan wants the lifestyle of an A-list celebrity, but she's never risen above a part in a TV soap opera.
And Harry wants all the trappings of royalty without actually the slog of the duty that goes with it.
And that's what they want.
And that's what all this is about.
It's about making money from the only thing that they've got, which is their royal connections.
They've got nothing else.
They've got nothing else to make their sort of lifestyle.
Attacking an institution that you exploit for personal gain.
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It's quite breathtaking.
I've got to leave it there.
Thank you to my panel.
A lively debate.
Thank you, Tessa.
We'll get you back.
Don't worry.
You can hold your horses till the next barrage you give me.
Well, next tonight, nurses have walked out the biggest strike of its kind in NHS history.
The nurse who helped save Boris Johnson's life is one of them and she's here exclusively
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