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Oct. 21, 2022 - Uncensored - Piers Morgan
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Setting The Record Straight 00:04:21
Tonight on Piers Morgan Uncensored, a jaw-dropping world exclusive.
He's one of the defining musicians of his generation and one of the most controversial people alive.
Tonight, I'll go head to head with the artist formerly known as Kanye West.
From New York, this is Piers Morgan Uncensored.
Well, good evening.
Welcome to a special edition of Piers Morgan Uncensored from New York.
Kanye West, now known simply as Ye, one-on-one.
He's one of the defining artists of his generation with 24 Grammys and more than 160 million records sold.
Producer.
Fashion designer billionaire.
The artist formerly known as Kanye West is quite simply a megastar.
Ye's six-year marriage to Kim Kardashian made them both titans of the tabloids.
I had to go to LA and come back.
So I just traveled to get something for Ken.
He got me all of the sex take back.
Thank you for Kanye and for his unbelievable way he does things and the ability to get something done.
But lately it's his opinions that have stolen the headlines.
First he wore a White Lives Matter t-shirt at a Paris fashion show.
Next he shocked the world with a series of anti-Semitic tarades, including a tweet threatening DEF CON 3 on Jewish people.
Now suspended from social media and with his Adidas deal in jeopardy, Ye has doubled down, spreading unfounded conspiracy theories about George Floyd, which is now being sued by the family.
If you look, the guy's knee wasn't even on his neck like that.
Is he malicious?
Is he misunderstood?
Is he just a racist?
Or is he mentally unwell?
Tonight, Ye gets a chance to set the record straight.
Ye is one of the most influential people on the planet, of that, there's no doubt.
He's just announced that he's buying the social media platform Parla.
He has political ambitions too, and because of his profile, his recent offensive comments have caused global outrage, as well as ongoing speculation about his health.
Well, tonight, I give Ye the opportunity to explain and perhaps reconsider, or maybe even apologize for, some of those comments.
Some of the things he says in this interview are, in my opinion, anti-Semitic and defensive.
We're airing them in the context of an interview in which I try to understand why he made his comments, what he really meant by them, and whether he understands the anger that his words have caused.
What follows is a gripping, fiery, shocking, sometimes funny, sometimes bonkers interview.
And at the end of it, you can make your own mind up about Ye.
Ye, thank you very much indeed for joining Piers Morgan Uncensored.
My first question for you, I guess is an obvious one.
What do you hope to achieve from our conversation?
That right there, being uncensored.
In American media, it's very censored.
It feels like an episode of Black Mirror a lot of times.
So I've put myself across the line, the point of no return, saying, hey, I know they're going to say whatever they want about me.
When I bring up the truth, they're going to say, you didn't get enough sleep.
It's because of your health.
They're going to call me names for my truth, but these experiences that I'm telling you about are factually things that I've went through and things that I refuse to keep going through and things that I'm not going to let my children go through and things that I'm not going to let my peers go through.
No pun intended.
Well, look, we are most certainly uncensored on this show, Ye.
I want to give you the time and the platform to really explain yourself because I think that sometimes sound bites about people perhaps taken out of context sometimes can create a very distorted view of what a person really thinks.
What do you think, looking back over the last few weeks in particular, what do you think have been the biggest misconceptions about you?
Well, I think there's a left agenda to silence anyone that goes against the agenda.
Defending Free Speech 00:04:54
Let's go back to Trump running for office back in 2015.
Everyone that was around me in my industry, in the entertainment industry, told me that my life would be over.
I would be on the wrong side of history.
I've even had threats to my life for wearing the Trump hat.
And it even ended up in, you know, destroying my family and also making it where I have to raise my children differently because I actually am a person that's classified as black.
You know, I classify myself as Jew, but a person that's classified that had been given that title in America as black in America that I'm supposed to stay in a block of a vote.
You never heard the term white vote.
So why is there a term black vote?
How is that okay?
It sounds just as racist as a black drinking fountain.
And my dad, you know, called me and said, you know, the thing that the left fear about yay or makes me the most dangerous is I'm rich.
And that's the point.
Tupac told me back in the days, you know, you had to get your money right and then you go to war.
So I'm going to war.
You know, I don't have, I don't have endless resources.
I only have like maybe, you know, honestly, only maybe $120 million in my account.
But what I'm not going to let happen is I'm not going to let my kids take over Yeezy someday and have a boardroom telling them what to do and talking behind their back.
I'm not going to let that happen to my children.
So I have to fight right now.
And the other powerful icons in black music, when they were at the top of the game, they didn't fight at that point.
They were too afraid of losing whatever they had.
So people have to understand just the bravery.
There's so many people everywhere.
I know everyone can relate to being afraid to say what you're going to feel because you feel like you're going to, you know, you're going to lose something.
So whether you agree with me or not, I believe people are going to feel the fact that someone is brave enough to say something.
Every day I do five things that people have been historically killed for every day.
And it's just, yo, I want to prove, first of all, I am Jew also.
The 12 lost tribes of Hebrew.
Do the math.
Do your research on it.
We have got our culture ripped from us and then told we were just simply void of color, which is another definition for black.
But if we knew we were a culture and knew we were a people the way the Jewish people know, then we wouldn't abort ourselves.
We wouldn't shoot each other dead in the streets and then rap about it.
We wouldn't brag about, you know, having sex with each other's wives.
We would keep our families together and we would do business together.
Most dangerous place for a black person in America is actually in our mother's stomachs because 50% of black deaths a year in America is abortion currently.
I mean, I can keep going, but I want to make it, hey, boom.
Well, I don't want to jump in too much because here's what I honestly think.
I think you have an extraordinary mind.
You have a number of extraordinary talents.
You're a musical genius.
You're a fascinating public figure.
What has been interesting to me is to watch the furore which has erupted in the last few weeks over a series of statements that you've made, which have caused, as you know, a lot of offense.
And I guess before I get into them, I'm just curious as to whether you think there is a line for free speech.
Listen, I completely agree with you that there is a war against free speech, that people are treading on eggshells all the time, terrified of expressing honestly held opinions in case they get cancelled.
I think we're living in a really insidious era where liberals are behaving like fascists.
So on that, you have absolutely my agreement.
But my question for you is: do you believe there are limits to free speech?
And if they are, what are they?
There are no limits to free speech.
It's all context, right?
Tarantino can write a movie about slavery where actually him and Jamie got the idea from me because the idea for Django, I pitched to Jamie Fox and Quentin Tarantino as the video for Gold Digger.
And then Tarantino turned it into a film.
Limits To Free Expression 00:02:28
But in that film, he puts a context, he creates a context where Leonardo DiCaprio is allowed to use the word multiple times within that context.
So Hollywood's job is to frame things.
And they allow what context, what content is accepted and what's not.
We have our thoughts.
You know, everyone has thoughts and ideas.
And then people try to manipulate your thoughts and ideas.
In order for humanity to move forward, we have to be free to think and then to actualize.
I like the word actualize better than execute.
If you think about execute's a negative word, actualize would be more positive, except for the fact that it has the word act in it.
And everyone's an actor, especially in Hollywood.
I'm like top five writers in human history, so I really get into the way, the power of words.
And I feel very akin to Capote, Freud, Nikolai Tesla, Da Vinci, Matisse, more Matisse than Picasso, more African Cubism than Matisse.
So I just do that.
I throw out that kind of for the liberals.
And that's the funny thing.
It's like...
Let me hold you up on that.
On Matisse.
When you say you're more Matisse than Picasso, as somebody who's a fan of Matisse and Picasso, actually, I spent a lot of time in Santa Bay where they all used to paint together.
Why do you say Matisse?
What is it about Matisse that you feel an affinity with?
I think I feel like Drake is more Picasso and Ye is more Matisse.
When we talked about when me and Drake went to do the show last year for prison reform and to bring awareness to the incarceration of Larry Hoover, I sent him articles about the relationship of Matisse and Picasso and the need for these people.
You need to have that, you know, I need to go into the bar and go to Starbucks.
That's a, you know, that's a form of a modern day bar, right?
And just hear Drake song playing back to back.
And Drake needs to go into that same Starbucks just in a different city and see people wearing Yeezys.
Questioning The Coroner Report 00:15:57
God does this to remind us that we are not God.
Because when you take people like Elon Musk and Bernard Arnaud and Trump or Jack Ma, Putin, you take these people in their own space, in their own environments, you know, we can start to feel like gods on earth, but we are nothing in comparison to God.
And we are here actually to love one another and to collaborate and to make the world a better place.
There's, you know, 1% of the world are placed in power and 99% of the world are the audience.
So that 1% of the world, this idea of a United Nations, this is the world that needs to come together.
This is the world that, I mean, here's the obvious go-to.
Biden doesn't listen to Elon Musk.
The president of the United States does not have meetings with Elon Musk.
That is, hey, here, come, come get me.
That's retarded.
I know I'm not supposed to say that, Biden, but that's retarded, Biden.
And, you know, it's, and obviously, because I've been deemed with mental health, all this, I have the right to use whatever words that I like to use.
Well, that's interesting.
So ask me another question.
Well, yeah, let me ask you on that.
So you just said something very inflammatory about President Biden.
It will, as you know, offend a lot of people.
And it will particularly offend people who work in mental health.
You say you should not use a word like retarded.
But you say that because you yourself have had mental health issues, that entitles you to use that kind of word as an insult.
Now, I would say that's an arguable point.
My issue, my issue is I've had mental health allegations.
Do you believe that you have any form of mental illness?
I believe that I suffered from exhaustion.
I believe that I suffered from exhaustion.
I suffered from being lied to constantly by the people around me.
And I believe those things can drive anyone to a point of maximum exhaustion.
But I also believe that I'm extremely brilliant and I'm here to make the world a better place.
And I'm tired of the left media trying to pick on me.
And y'all picked on me enough.
And y'all finally touched the person that's not going to stand, that's not going to take it anymore.
And that's part of the reason why I'm on uncensored, because what they'd like is for me to be quiet.
Interesting thing about racism and cancel culture, it's kind of similar, right?
Racism works on itself.
I can go into the Gucci story at age 18 and I just assume that people think that I'm about to steal, so I buy more things.
With cancel culture, when I brought Marilyn Manson on stage with me when he was dealing with allegations, my stepbrother Marilyn was canceling his self.
So many people comment on my White Lives Matter t-shirt.
There's people who are saying right there in Fashion Week, when are you going home?
I'm so afraid.
People thought I was going to cancel myself.
I'm not going to cancel myself.
I'm going to keep on delivering what I feel because guess what?
It's very split opinions, by the way.
If I talk to a black person that makes under a million dollars a year, they really are, they really relate to the George Floyd comments and feel hurt that I would even bring it up and question the approach.
They have multiple documentaries on the death of JFK, but we're just supposed to believe this one media outlet version that preyed on our trauma and our pain.
And then if I talk to rich black people or white people, Jew or Catholic or atheists, they're really into the Jewish media comment because it affects their business interests.
And it was really interesting.
Let me just pick you up on the two things you've mentioned.
The first one is what you said about George Floyd.
And the reality of that, it's not a media interpretation of how he died because the Hennepin County Chief Medical Examiner concluded that Floyd died from cardiopulmonary arrest.
His heart stopped complicated by the way the police restrained him and compressed his neck.
Now, he also said there were other contributing conditions.
Well, hang on, let me finish.
There were other contributing conditions, narrowed arteries, high blood pressure, and fentanyl intoxication.
But although these were significant conditions, he said, and things that played a role in the death, they didn't directly cause the death.
The cause of death was what that policeman did with his name to George Floyd.
I believe that person.
Well, why would a coroner lie?
What makes you believe that?
Why would a coroner lie?
Because he could get paid to lie.
Because he could get paid to lie.
Yeah, I watched it for the majority of the press.
Right, but I watched it for eight minutes.
Have you seen the Candace Owens BLM documentary?
I have watched some of that documentary, but here's what I would say to you.
When you watch that video of George Floyd, no, it's not a but.
It's not a but.
I need you to watch.
I know.
I know what you said.
I want you to.
I'm going to finish.
La la.
Sorry.
You know what that means.
I know what it means.
La la la means be quiet and let me finish.
But you did interrupt my comments.
So with the BLM, no, I wasn't finished.
You're pressing agenda.
You haven't seen the whole thing.
I don't have an agenda.
I just read you what the coronavirus is.
So we can have 20 different perspectives on how JFK died.
But us as black people, not only can we only vote one way, we're not allowed to have any other perspectives.
And that the area for George Floyd, where he passed, the murder rate is up 50% and nothing, this is so-called movement, but it didn't move blacks anywhere.
Right.
Now, listen to that.
So me as a black person.
I will say there are legitimate questions about the Black Lives Matter movement, no question.
But on the specific point about how George Floyd died, I don't think it's in question about what actually killed him.
It was that police officer.
What do you mean?
It isn't question.
It isn't question.
I'm questioning it.
As a question.
What you're questioning is a coroner report.
Hey, do you have friends that were killed by police officers?
Do you have friends that were locked up?
Do you have friends?
Do you have people aborting half your race?
No.
So I am the black person with the black experience that's worth $11 billion and is the most influential person on the planet.
And I am questioning it.
Okay.
And I have a right to question it.
Absolutely.
You can't tell me.
You can't tell me.
You can't tell me with your accent that me as an American Jew black person that I cannot question that death and question the means he had to do.
Just put on camera.
I'm not saying you're not traumatized.
I'm not finished.
La la la la means let me finish.
Okay.
I'm not finished talking.
So we can't, I cannot, I see, because you distract my thoughts and then you try to make me look like a crazy person and you feel you have the right to cut me off and I've proven you guys don't want it with me.
This is like Terminator 20.
You've never seen this before.
You've never seen this before.
So I want no one to play with me.
I have the right to question because that videotape was used to traumatize my people and force us into the Democratic vote.
Hey, George Soros, you're a real competitor.
I respect you.
I'm worth more money than you, and I have more influence than you.
And have, you know, Piers Morgan from a different country saying, well, I'm not going to do an English accent because that would be racist.
I'm funny, by the way.
I know you can do that.
I was going to say to you, the show is uncensored, Yay.
You can say what the hell you like, right?
But that doesn't mean I can't pick you up on a few things, right?
You accept that.
I accept that, but you tried to say it is unquestionable because this one Dr. Fauci said this.
I know it wasn't Dr. Fauci, but I'm just giving an example where we hear from even Google.
Like people feel like, you know, if you Google it, it's factual.
There's so much non-factual information about me on Google, but then I still believe Google.
And people pay to get certain information to the top of Google.
But this is good.
This is keep going.
Where else you want to go with it?
Here's where I want to go.
The civil rights lawyer Lee Merritt responded to what you said about George Floyd's death and said, while one cannot defame the dead, the family of George Floyd is considering suit, which they're now doing.
As you know, they're suing you for $250 million for Ye's false statements about the manner of his death.
Claiming Floyd died from fentanyl, not the brutality established criminally and civilly, undermines and diminishes the Floyd family's fight.
So what is your response to that?
Well, anybody who loses a loved one, my heart goes out to them.
Any race, my heart goes out to the pain of that.
I have a theory about it.
Now, this is not a fact.
This is a feeling that I have.
In the documentary, George Floyd's two roommates said that George kept saying, they want a tall guy like me.
They want a tall guy like me.
So for me, I'm a creative, right?
I can like make a dinosaur out of a femur, right?
So if I'm making a dinosaur out of a femur, and I'm looking at a documentary that says George Floyd was telling his two roommates they want a tall guy like me.
And on the day of his death, he prayed for eight minutes.
They said he prayed longer than he ever prayed.
What do you think me as a creative mind, the beautiful mind, right?
The sensitive mind, what do you think I feel could have happened in that situation?
All right.
Well, honestly, if I'm being honest with you, I would say that because of your brilliant, beautiful, creative mind, as you put it, and I don't dispute that at all, you've got an extraordinary mind.
And I can see that in the way that you conduct interviews.
You go off on very long tangents, but they're sort of fascinating.
I find it fascinating to listen to you.
I'm not saying you don't have a right to question.
These are like Capote.
Fascinating tangents.
No, they're not.
They're not.
I'm just saying it's the way you conduct yourself.
And I think that's very interesting.
What do you mean?
Or not?
Why is it, oh, it's not Capote level?
If you would like me to compare you to Truman Capote, I am happy to do that, yay.
If you want to be known as the new Capote, I'm with you, okay?
I'm not going to question your talent.
Your talent to me is completely unquestionable, right?
When you question that, I have a question about the femur to the dinosaur.
No, no, I'm going to ask you.
I'm just going to ask you this.
No, you're not.
No, I didn't finish my question.
Well, hang on.
You can't tell me.
You can't answer my question.
You can't tell me what questions to ask you.
You accept that I'm the interviewer.
You're not going to answer my question.
No, I said, answer my question.
No, I'm interviewing you too.
Well, you can't interview me.
It's my interview.
You're Bono.
I'm interviewing you too.
See, that's the way we rap.
Let me just.
No, no, let me just put this to you.
So, no, no, no, no.
Hang on.
You're trying to.
No, no, no, no.
La to put quite a phrase.
I'm going to get back to it.
I'm going to get back to it.
All right, you can, but let me ask you.
But you haven't answered my question.
Here's my question for you, which you haven't answered.
No, I'm not.
Don't answer my don't ask answer my question with a question.
I'm not answering anything.
I'm going back to my original question in a way, which is simply this.
I'm not saying you don't have a right to question how George Floyd died, but given the world watched that horrifying video of that policeman's knee on his neck, and given that is what the coroner said caused his death, albeit he had other underlying conditions, including fentanyl intoxication, when the family see someone like you who's hugely influential, you're known around the world, questioning how their loved one died, they find that very hurtful, which is why they're now suing you for it.
And my question for you is: do you understand the pain that sometimes your comments can cause?
Like this circumstance with George Floyd's family?
Now, I'm going to ask you a question again.
With my imagination, if you see, when you see in the documentary that George Floyd's two roommates said he said they want a tall guy like me, they want a tall guy like me, and that he prayed extra long on the day of his passing.
Where do you think that takes my beautiful mind?
I think it can take you to a place where you want to believe something which may not be true.
I'm not saying it's not.
I'm just saying all the evidence.
Well, I'll give you an honest answer.
My honest answer is: I think that they wanted to.
That was a political collection.
No, my honest belief, my honest belief is that.
What do you guys do?
I mean, people in the newsroom, what are they doing?
They're like cringing right now.
They're like, whoa.
No.
We never experienced this.
I know this before.
No, I'm not.
We never experienced a black entertainer that won't be threatened by the media to back down from his opinion.
Yeah, I think you mistake me.
You mistake me for somebody who's going to be like the others.
I have a show called Uncensored for a reason.
I'm giving you a platform for a reason.
You are pressing an agenda.
No, no, I'm not.
You're perfectly entitled to your opinion.
But do you accept your liar?
You're not lying now.
Do you accept you may not always be right?
I just called you a liar.
How does that make you think?
It's fine if you think I'm a liar.
It's fine.
You're a liar.
You're pressing the agenda of the pain and trauma and trauma economy that is pressed on my people by the left.
Actually, the trauma I think that was implemented to George Floyd was from a vile white racist police officer who kneed him to his death.
And I agree with the coroner's findings because I don't see any reason why the coroner would invent that.
So that's my belief.
If you want to challenge that and you don't believe it, that's entirely your right.
I have a question.
Who do you think are the biggest vowel white racist?
The media.
You think the media is racist?
What?
Please, next question.
Please don't ask me any retarded questions.
Okay, let me go to the next fully which has been around you in the last couple of weeks, which is your attack.
Accountability And Anti-Semitism 00:14:50
Is that British for theory?
Is that British for theory?
What's theory, bro?
Is that British for theory?
You actually have quite a good British accent.
That's quite good.
Let me ask you, yeah, if I can, about the allegations that you have made anti-Semitic comments.
And in particular, when you said on Instagram, I'm a bit sleepy tonight, but when I wake up, I'm going DEF CON 3 on Jewish people.
Now, many people who are Jewish found that deeply offensive.
They wanted to know what did you mean by going DEF CON 3 on Jewish people?
Because DEF CON 3, as you know, is a heightened state of awareness for military action.
So what did you mean by that?
Here's your chance to clarify what you meant by DEF CON 3 on Jewish people.
Well, thank you for allowing me to say what I meant due to the fact that I was blocked by Jewish people after I said that.
So I wasn't actually allowed to say what I was about to say.
But what I was going to say is I was going to talk about all of the contracts, all of the misdealings that I dealt with as an entertainer.
Being that I'm an entertainer, I've been wronged so many times by Jewish businessmen.
And the reason why I say people, if a black man is caught in the car with drugs or a gun, and there's three other black guys in the car with him, guess what?
They're all going to jail.
So the reason why I say people is I want those businessmen's wives and fathers, mothers, grandmothers, and kids to ask them, why is Yay so mad at us?
Because they're taking money out of my children's mouths.
So I'm in a point where I'm frustrated.
I have the right to my anger and I'm saying that people need to fix it.
I'm not going to fix what I feel until what I'm feeling is fixed.
Okay, can I respond to that?
You're not just going to shut me up and say...
No, I'm not going to shut you up.
Can I respond to what you just said?
My problem with what you've said, I'll be straight with you, is if I as a white man posted tomorrow on my Instagram, I'm a bit sleepy tonight, but when I wake up, I'm going DEF CON 3 on black people, what would you think?
Jew.
No, no, if I said black people, what would you think?
If that was what I posted.
Well, did you accept that black people, you accepted that black people are Jew or no?
No, I'll come to that in a moment.
On the specific, though, if I simply said, in other words, all black people was the implication of what I said, I would get rightly cancelled.
I would get rightly vilified and abused.
You, I suspect, would be outraged by a white person saying such a thing because you wouldn't make any distinction about whether I was talking about certain black business people I'd fallen out with or whatever.
You would think I was judging an entire populace by the color of their skin.
You are, by saying Jewish people on Jewish people, you're not saying Jewish businessmen, accountants, whatever that you've had a problem with.
You're basically saying in that statement, all Jewish people, which is why it caused such offense.
I'm curious whether you even, as you wrote those words, understood what Jewish people actually would feel when you said that and didn't make any specific references to any individuals.
Maybe they would feel how all my people have felt.
Maybe they would feel the pain of when a black artist looks up and they've been completely, they've completely been raped by five Jewish businessmen.
And there's multiple accounts.
Why does the fact that they're Jewish have anything to do with it?
Why do you feel like that?
But why would you say that?
It just so happens they are.
Well, okay, but I wouldn't, why categorize them according to their religious faith, their ethnicity?
Why would we do that?
Why can't you just describe them as business people that you've dealt with?
That's fine, but what you're doing by saying Jewish people, these constant tirades, yay, against Jewish people.
When do people find that?
That sounds like you have an extra title.
It was a tweet.
It's not just a tweet.
You asked me to explain it.
And that, have you felt my pain yet?
You haven't felt my pain.
You don't want to felt my pain.
You don't hold accountability.
La You don't hold accountability to my pain.
You're being a Karen.
I'm talking about accountability.
I'm not a Karen to the pain.
I'm not a Karen, and I'm not going to cancel you, and I'm not going to uncensor you.
I'm simply going to challenge you on what you're saying.
I think you don't understand the pain that you've been causing with some of these comments.
And I think that one in particular, I can understand.
God.
God forbid.
God forbid one comment could cause people to feel any of the pain that my people have went through for years.
Even like the blacks being ushered to the left during the civil rights movement.
No one has cared.
Why does Zeek lack?
Why does Zeek learn?
No one is.
Can I say, I agree that the racism against black people has been utterly deplorable, shameful, unacceptable.
And thank God the world is beginning to move to a better place about the way it has treated black people like you.
However, however, one form of racism, yay, justify us in a better place.
One form of racism doesn't justify another.
It's not a better place.
I'm cutting you off.
I'm finishing my sentence.
You can respond.
One form of racism.
One form of racism.
It is racism when you say I'm going dead.
So clarifying.
I'm Jewish people.
That's racism.
No, it's not.
I thought you had a platform where I could explain how I felt.
You don't care about how I feel.
You just want to shut me up.
You don't want me to say out loud what my people have been going through.
I do.
Or do you?
I do.
I'm very happy to be here.
So what have my people have been going through?
What led me to that point?
My point.
What led me a person, a successful, influential, extremely, extremely, extremely attractive person to get to that point?
I am not doubting for a moment that you will feel genuine pain about the racism against you and other black people in America.
Not for one second would I deny who I deny that.
Racism by who?
By anybody.
I think any form of racism is wrong.
Any form of racism is wrong.
I didn't say DEF CON on anybody, though.
You said DEF CON 3 on Jewish people, specifically Jewish people.
You didn't say any particular Jewish person.
You said basically all of them.
That is racism, yay.
And I think if you were honest with yourself, given the fallout from this, you would think again about how you phrase that sentence.
Because actually, you didn't mean all Jewish people.
Given your fallout.
Given the fallout.
Given the fallout.
Do you care about the hurt you cause Jewish people?
You don't fall out.
Well, you were removed from very fallout.
You were removed from social media.
So the thing is, I want to bring joy to the world.
I'm a composer, right?
And this is a symphony.
Our life is a symphony.
We have so many beautiful ideas, but I feel the anti-Semite has been a wall, a cloak that allows Jewish businessmen, boom, I'll only be the police officer that says, hey, this guy with the gun is the only person going to jail.
I'll be the first person that does that in history, right?
No one else in this car riding with the guy with the gun and the drugs is going to jail.
Are you happy?
I'll play by rules that are not played by for my people just for the sake of the state.
I don't want you playing by anybody.
That makes you happy, right?
I don't want you to say things just like you.
That's what colonizers do is give us rules.
I'm not trying to colonize.
That's what colonizers do.
I'm not trying to decolonize you.
I'm not trying to censor you.
All I'm saying to you is when you use a phrase, yay, like I'm going DEF CON three on Jewish people.
Did you hear what I just said, though?
What you've just said is not what you said on your Instagram post, and you know it, right?
If you have a problem with particular businessmen who happen to be Jewish, that is a concern for you.
And you know it.
So you talk to all Jewish people.
But brother, can we, brother, do you, what is the point?
Brother, do you want me to grow from the statement?
I just told you, okay, I was in a position where I've been hurt, and this is the way I had the right to express myself.
The point of this interview is for you to question me and then for me to answer and say, okay, even though the same rules are not applied to my people, if a person with a gun or drugs is pulled over and has four, three other people in the car, they're all going to jail.
I'm not going to apply that to Jewish people for the sake of this conversation.
Isn't that what you wanted?
But you know what you did?
You tried to civil rights me.
You tried to pull me back to a week ago, but we're here today.
There's been plenty of conversations and commentary since that.
But you want me to go back to 1960?
No, no.
You want me to go back to seven days ago?
All right, let me jump in.
Here's what I want you to do.
I want you to reflect on that.
Okay, so have we grown?
Have we grown?
Here's how we grow.
Here's how we grow.
I want you to reflect on.
But have we grown?
Have we grown?
I'm not in charge of my growth.
Okay.
Let me phrase it like this.
I'm about to suggest to you how you may grow if you choose to grow this way.
And you can ignore me.
You can ignore me.
Pierce.
Pierce, how much money are you worth?
Not as much as you, sadly.
Exactly.
So take my advice.
Maybe you'll get richer.
I would love to take your business advice.
Why would I listen to you?
Why don't you hear what my advice is and then work out if I'm wrong?
Can we do that deal?
Next tonight, my world exclusive interview with Yay continues.
You haven't given me any credit or a moment of reflection for the comparison that I made, the brilliant, if I do say so myself, comparison that I made to the cops pulling over one black person and locking up.
I understand what you're saying.
My tweet having issues.
Wait a second, I wasn't done with the sentence.
La la la.
My tweet referring to all Jewish people, I said, for the sake of this conversation, I will refer to the business people who have destroyed me and my people and my fellow creatives.
But you didn't even accept that I gave you that.
You tried to push me back into 1960.
You tried to push me back into last week.
No, I didn't.
Okay, you accept that example that I gave you.
I understand completely the example you gave me.
I think all racism is wrong.
I just feel that we've grown.
I would like you to reflect if you...
If you feel we've grown.
If you feel we've grown.
If you've now changed what you wanted to say originally, my question for you is, do you now regret saying On Jewish people.
Are you sorry you said that?
No.
I don't think it matters.
You should be.
Absolutely not.
You should be.
Absolutely not.
Yeah, but yeah, you should be.
Absolutely not.
Are the people, the Jewish businessmen that led me to that place, are they sorry for the way they've raped myself?
I don't know who you're talking about in particular, but I don't know why you keep having to say they're Jewish.
What is the fact they're Jewish got to do with anything?
Why do you keep it?
What do you mean?
They're the Jewish businessmen that did that.
They're business people.
That's what they do.
Why do you keep saying Jewish business people?
Why do you keep using their religion?
Their ethnicity.
Why do you keep doing that?
Let me update it then.
Okay.
Okay, so I'll say this.
Would it be, would I have grown into the box you want me to go on if I say to specify the business people that have raped my people that just so happen to be Jewish?
I think by doing what you've just done, I find that I'm not even Jewish and I find that offensive.
Why do you keep having to do that?
I don't think you get it at all.
I don't think you are.
I don't think you understand the offense you're causing when you keep using their religious background, their ethnicity, and a stick to beat them with.
Why would you do that?
So what are you more concerned about?
Or are you more concerned about getting the richest black man of all time to cowtail because it's not finna happen?
I don't want you to cowtail.
You can do what the hell you like.
You're yay, you're a billionaire.
You can do what the hell you want.
I'm just saying to you that I don't think you quite understand.
When you talk about...
Okay.
Can I finish?
It's not a multi.
Multi.
You're a multi-billionaire.
Okay, well, congratulations.
But that doesn't change the fact that when you insult the Jewish people and say you're going DEF CON 3 on the Jewish people, that is as racist as anything you say you've been through and any pain that you've experienced.
It's the same thing.
Racism is racism.
And you know that, I think, don't you?
Yeah, obviously.
That's why I said it.
So you said it knowing it's racist?
Yes.
I fought fire with fire.
And I hear to get hosed down.
At least I thought you were a different type of freedom fighter.
That's honest.
All right.
You were racist because you knew it was racist, but you decided to do that because people have been racist to you.
Is that your position?
No.
First of all, I can't.
What is the beginning?
Read the whole tweet.
I'm sure you have it in front of it.
Somebody in your office has it.
Get him a coffee and a yay tweet.
What do you want to know?
The whole tweet?
I want you to read it out loud, sir.
I'm a bit sleepy tonight, but when I wake up, I'm going DEF CON 3 on Jewish people.
The funny thing is, I actually can't be anti-Semitic because black people are actually Jew.
Also, you guys are toy with me and tried to blackball anyone who opposes your agenda.
That was the exact tweet.
I like reading that whole thing.
I can't be anti-Semite.
I love Jewish people.
I work with Jewish people.
Yo, watch this.
Watch this.
Some of my best friends are Jewish.
Right.
So you know how that's.
How many times have you heard that statement?
Of course.
Of course.
Wait, wait.
Have we ever heard that term before?
Some of my, but the funny thing is, they are.
I work with Dove Charney that got kicked out of his company out of American Apparel.
I work with this guy every day.
He's like my twin.
He's one of my favorite people in the planet.
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And we work through that and we talk through it.
And he says, Yay, why are you so mad?
And I'm like, this is why I'm mad.
This contract right here, what's going to happen before I'm done?
We're going to open up all of the music industry contracts, all of the publishing deals, all of the athlete deals, all of the acting deals, all of the mortgages, all of the deals.
But that's fine.
But yay, that's all fine.
People who we went at.
That's all fine.
You can do all that.
It has to start somewhere.
Of course you can do all that.
And when you do that, it has to start somewhere.
I hope you won't be judged as a black business person doing it all the time.
The people don't phrase it all the time by the color of your skin, but by your business acumen.
Isn't that what you would like?
Isn't that what equality actually means?
Of course I'll be judged by that because when people come into power, people get judged.
You know what I'm saying?
Like there's nobody that gets judged more than a straight white male.
The straight white male has the least amount of a platform to even speak.
A straight white male can't say, my wife hurt me today, because people will say, well, you're hurting women.
A straight white male can't say, hey, a black employee didn't come in to work on time because then people will say you're racist.
A straight white male can't speak on a homosexual person because they'll say you're homophobic.
And so I empathize with the position of the straight white male.
And part of the reason why I empathize with that position is because I know that I'm headed to that position.
And what position that is?
Top power position.
Okay.
That's the top power position where you get all the rocks thrown.
And that's the thing.
I have friends, right, that will like, you know, actually, that's the reason why I'm going to be a good leader someday because I'm really empathetic.
But I call black people out on their stuff.
I call white people out on their stuff because we're all people.
We're actually only one species.
And in order to, whether it's my friends texting me like, bro, you got to get in the gym.
You're looking chubby in the photo.
You know, it's like we have to hold each other accountable to what's actually happening.
And it so much is based on you did that tweet wrong.
So what I will say is, I feel that my words demand more sensitivity for the frequency that I'm operating at and the amount of people that I'm communicating to.
And I take that responsibility right now.
But I will also say everything happens for a reason.
Because if it had been perfectly worded in English, because there's nothing whiter than English itself, right?
I'm already not speaking in my mother tongue, right?
So if I had perfectly worded it in the most sensitive way, then we wouldn't be here right now.
Now we're opening up the conversation.
Like there, I'm not allowed to say whether or not I'm running for office in 2024, but I'll tell you what, if the left, let's say the left, the left would have never supported me anyway.
And now I've got to call to attention, I am who you should support.
The left did not allow Trump to be president.
They treated him like he wasn't even the president.
So even then he won, he was losing half of the American people every day, and it divided the country.
What I'm saying, whoever goes into office for British media, for American media, we must support our leaders and not just run this hyper-negative.
You know what I will?
And black people hate when I apologize for this.
When I see people like John Legend and Chrissy Teigen talk down on the president, I'm like, wow, that kind of sounds like me.
That kind of sounds like the telethon.
I opened up this level of disrespect towards our leaders.
And people were happy.
Ah.
And the left saw that and say, well, let's just have every celebrity do what Yay did at the telethon.
So I take responsibility for that moment.
And you know what?
I just want to give every Jewish person a big hug.
Also, I'm envious of the Jewish people.
I'm envious of how they don't abort their children.
I'm envious of how they don't shoot each other in the streets and then rap about it.
I'm envious of how their families stay together.
I'm envious that they turn their phones off on Friday night and the family comes together.
I'm envious of how they do the business together.
And I want that for the darker Jews.
I want that for the black people.
I want that.
We need that.
God said we should remove the word want, right?
We're going to have that.
And this is the beginning of it.
But it seems to me, and correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that you are acknowledging, as you've just acknowledged that it was wrong to say what you said about President Bush when he said he doesn't care about black people.
And that may have encouraged all this disrespect towards President Since.
I think it's an interesting point you made.
It does seem to me, Yay, talking to you, that even if it's hard for you to admit this, that you do regret the wording of that tweet which caused all the problems.
And you wouldn't phrase it that way again.
Am I right?
I would tell my dad that my dad loved the White Lives Matter t-shirt because what audacity does a black man have to wear the exact same t-shirt that a white man could wear?
You know, and my dad was a Black Panther.
I mean, we have a water purification center.
You know, he's like the original Steve Jobs.
He's the educated version of me.
Right.
And he, and he liked both of those things, but he said, you know, yay, he even calls me yay now.
He's like, yay, you've got to be more sophisticated with your wording.
And that wording, like I said, I'm a bit sleepy.
And it lacked the sophistication needed to be the true conductor that I am.
Because it's the conductor's job to bring people together.
And that was divisive, which is not who I want to be.
Right.
So I'll tell you that.
I'm not looking.
And also, let me tell you.
So it sounds like you agree with me.
Do you agree with me then?
I want to talk.
Okay.
Let me say that I'm just thinking right now with some of my heart is the idea for people who do actually have severe mental health issues.
You know, the word retarded for, you know, there's parents that have children who actually are mentally ill.
And that word is really offensive to those people.
So why use that?
And just because, yeah, just because I was feeling, well, it's a couple reasons.
Because people call me retarded.
They treat me like I'm retarded.
And so I embrace it.
It's like you call somebody a so much, they say, I'm a.
You call somebody a bitch so much, they say, I'm a bitch.
You call somebody a retarded so much, you say, I'm retarded.
Like, I was exhausted, and I embraced the idea of having a serious mental health issue.
But Noah, I mean, not Noah, Noah also, but Moses was basically on speed when he was doing what he did.
Let me ask you a question.
Look, out of interest, how much sleep do you get a night?
I'm not here to talk about how much sleep I get.
I don't know.
You've been literally just been talking about that.
How much sleep do you get a night?
I had about five and a half hours last night, actually.
Not very much.
But you're the one that's raised this issue.
And I probably had the same.
Right.
My question is.
You probably had the same.
It's only because you've been talking about you don't believe you have a mental illness.
You think it's lack of sleep.
So I think it's an obvious question to ask, well, how much sleep do you get?
Are you constantly sleep deprived?
Is that one of the reasons perhaps sometimes, as you say, you feel sleepy and you shoot from the hip verbally and you say stuff that maybe when you're rested, you wouldn't say it the same way.
Would that be fair?
Tell me what's okay.
No, it's not fair because what's more important, the pain and the truth of what I'm talking about and what led me to that tweet or the tweet itself?
I think both can be true.
But the problem you have is I think you've acknowledged one tweet.
I think you've acknowledged that the wording of the tweet was offensive.
Yes, I understand, but you know the damage it caused.
And I think I understand that that was offensive.
And I think that you have accepted damage.
No near.
You as a white person are so stuck on the idea that what I said was offensive, which is a very caring approach.
You're not sticking on the fact.
You have not unpacked what happened with those contracts.
I've said that, but you didn't ask me another question about it.
That means there's an agenda inside of your control.
I have repeatedly said to you that I'm sure I do not disbelieve that you've had contract business issues with various managers, accountants, and so on.
My argument is that when you do it with me or other means.
I'm sure many other artists in the music business.
Yeah, of course.
You know why you're sure?
Because you don't care to do the research because it doesn't affect you.
No, it's because you said.
Have you done any research?
No.
Yay, let me explain to you.
I'm not doubting what you said.
You don't care.
I do care.
You don't care about me.
You don't care about my people.
I care about me.
I care about my people.
So it's for me to stand up.
And God forbid I step on someone's toes while I'm at it.
It's not someone's toes.
You stepped on the entire Jewish people's toes with a very deeply inflammatory tweet, which I think you've now accepted.
You shouldn't have phrased that way.
It's taken a bit of time to get there, but I think you have accepted that, right?
Have you accepted that you've put no effort into understanding how I got there?
I don't think, honestly.
10 years from now.
Honestly, I don't think there is any...
Do you want to apologize to me about this interview?
You're going to apologize to me about this interview within the next 10 years.
No, I'm not, because here's the thing.
I don't doubt you've had it.
It's very white-sided.
Oh, come on.
It's very one-sided.
It's very like.
It's not white-sided.
I'm not doubting you've had business issues.
I'm saying the way to respond to that is not to go public to millions of people.
Say you're going DEF CON 3 on Jewish people.
Millions of people.
Millions of people have had DEF CON 3 on their contracts.
You didn't say that.
I didn't went home to their contracts.
You didn't say that.
It said millions of people.
Well, I opened it up.
I didn't, but now I'm saying it now.
Okay, so now what I think you should say, I think you should say to the Jewish people, I'm sorry for the offensive language I used in that tweet.
I wouldn't do that again.
This is what I really meant.
I think people would respect you if you said that.
I don't know why you can't just say that.
You know when I'll say it?
When I sit down with the people who write out the contracts for the NBA and for the NFL and for professional music and for acting contracts, we need to go to the top lawyers, the top execs, the owners of the stadiums, the owners of the football teams, and the owners of the record labels.
And we're going to put them all in one room and we're going to read every top 10 in each one of these categories, right?
Let's read Michael B. Jordan.
Why would any of those?
Hey, bro, hey, hey, bro, I ain't finished.
I ain't finished my sentence.
I'm not finished.
Nothing you're saying has anything to do with regret.
Hey, boy.
Don't call me boy.
Don't finish.
I told you.
Don't treat me like a boy then.
I'm going to finish my sentence of my idea.
Nothing you're saying has got anything to do with the tweet.
Cool.
Bro, I was in the middle of a sentence, boy.
Okay, so are you going to allow me to finish my sentence?
Yes.
If you then answer my question.
Okay, so, okay, so I'm going to tell people when I would apologize for the tweet.
This is what has to happen first.
I need all of the top executives in Hollywood.
I need the top executives at the NBA and at the NFL.
We'll do those two sports specifically.
And I want the top executives in music, dealing with publishing, dealing with like Spotify and Apple Music and Universal Music and all the top exec.
Let's do like five top execs there.
And I want to look at the top 10 earners in each one of those fields contracts openly.
We want to compare and contrast the contracts.
And then once we open that conversation and we need to do it on a platform live with lawyers asking questions and we'll have the top lawyers like a Johnny Cochran, Robert Kardashian level legal team, you know, looking at all of these contracts together.
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After that moment happens, then I will say, I'm sorry.
Okay, if that's your position?
Interview adjourned.
Love you.
Coming up, Ye sits back down and the interview gets even more explosive as he opens up on Kim Kardashian, Elon Musk, Vladimir Putin and more.
Welcome back to this special edition of Piers Morgan Uncensored from New York, Kanye West, now known simply as Ye, one-on-one.
Yay, thanks for sitting back there.
I'll change the subject now.
I mean, I just get the feeling from you that you're obviously a complex character, brilliant in many ways, fascinating, like I say, compelling.
You have a huge appeal to millions of people around the world.
It just seems to me that occasionally your mouth gets you into trouble, and that perhaps on reflection, sometimes you look back and wish you hadn't said things.
Is that accurate?
No, not really.
Because the things I say are on behalf of God.
Like, it's not always godly because I'm a man, but God is definitely using me.
You're a Catholic faith.
I am.
What's your background?
I am Catholic, yeah.
Well, we're working for God here, just like with black people now with entertainment.
We're coming into wealth, but all the other black people with anywhere near my amount of wealth would never cross the lines of taboos inside of the media that I would.
That actually we used to in rap.
All these words we used to say these, so it's all these like words that are being removed from our vocabulary, words that evoke emotion.
Don't you feel like the salt is being taken out of our food?
You know, look at Dune.
The people who control the salt controlled all the money.
And people are trying to control the salt and it's salt in our language.
That's why I will not apologize for having a bit of salt in my words.
I will say, hey, this can be improved on, but it's like, hey, look, I'm an update.
You're looking at the God's iPhone 100.
We are God's iPhone, right?
If you think about it, we're his favorite creation.
We were made in his image and we need updates and society, capitalism, media, and thought police have been stopping us from our updates.
Think about, you know, for a homosexual kid age 12 at school not wanting to say out loud how he felt or feeling like if he said how he felt, he would get bullied.
Or what if he said how he felt and then somebody said, you said the way you felt and what your experience was in the wrong way.
Now you need to apologize.
We're fine that you felt that way, but you need to apologize for the way you said it.
But just having the courage to do it in the first place would be, you know, that's the thing that needs to be given credit.
Like, yeah, you know what?
We'll say in this past two weeks, I made a big splash.
Because the first time you dive in the deep end, you're not going to look like an Olympic swimmer.
But we're going to have to learn how to swim.
And I've dived in the deep end.
Okay.
I think I understand what you're saying.
Let me ask you about your family, Ye.
Lots of speculation, of course, constantly.
If you understand what I'm saying, could you translate what I'm saying?
Yes.
I want you to translate what I said.
And then let's move on to the next question.
Okay.
Let me attempt to translate.
What did I mean by that?
I think what she meant was that you are not afraid to ruffle feathers.
You're not afraid to cause trouble where you feel it's justified.
You're not afraid to call people out who you think deserve to be called out.
But then occasionally, you've expressed yourself in a way that perhaps hasn't quite hit the right mark and that you are work in progress, as indeed we all are, and that you could phrase things better which would cause less offense to a wider number of people when in fact the target of your anger may be much more specific.
That would be my interpretation of what you've just said.
Do you think that we can move forward as a civilization without there being any offense?
Because one person's truth can be the other person's lie.
I think it entirely depends.
I think it entirely depends.
Honestly, part of me wants to say yes to that, but I do think there is a line and we should all be mindful of the line.
And the line to me is I don't think any form of racism or perceived racism should ever be tolerated.
I don't think that is free speech.
It's just hate speech.
And I think one of the problems with what you said about the Jewish people was the more generic way that you phrased that sentence.
People didn't understand you were talking about specific business people you'd had a problem with.
They thought you genuinely meant you were going DEF CON 3 on all Jewish people.
And they took that to be a blatant form of anti-Semitism.
I think you've explained in this interview that was not your intention at all, which is good.
But I think if you're asking me to interpret what you've just said yourself, that would be my interpretation.
That, you know, you're work in progress.
And sometimes you say stuff.
I didn't just say that.
It doesn't quite get over what you're really meaning.
But what I really mean is, I don't want it to be settled.
I don't want, I don't want, I don't want to be forgiven by Jewish people until we get to what the problem really is.
I don't want, you know, like Elon, he got on Twitter, he said, I talked to Ye, he took it to heart.
And I liked my boy standing up for me, but I was like, but the fight isn't done, though.
Everybody, white media, left media, they just want to squash the fight.
They want to keep the pain of George Floyd going, right?
But they don't want the pain of our representatives.
What did Elon Musk say to you about the tweet?
Out of interest.
It's vague to me right now.
I don't want to misquote them.
What was the general point?
What was the general point of what he was saying?
It's vague to me.
It's truly vague to me.
I'm an honest person.
I tell you what it was.
But I keep on saying, it's just always about this tweet.
It's so much more, if you look back at this energy, at this interview, and it's like a direction arrow.
It's more in the direction of fixing the statement than fixing the problem.
I think both.
That's my problem.
I understand.
But I would say to that that I think they're two different things.
And you can fix both, actually.
And I accept that part of what you were trying to do and the point you were trying to make, I completely understand it because you've explained it in more detail.
On Elon Musk, there is a suggestion that when he gets control of Twitter, which seems likely now, that he will bring you back, he'll bring Donald Trump back.
Do you think that would be right?
It would be lit.
Do you think it's wrong that you and Trump have been banned from these platforms?
Absolutely.
I was talking to Trump a couple days ago, and he was like, I'm not going to do his voice, right?
But he was saying, you know, I had 277 million followers and the next day I had nothing.
And that related to, you know, Mark Zuckerberg, Meta.
You know, Mark Zuckerberg thinks he is the government.
These tech companies feel they're more powerful than the U.S. government to the point of actually kicking the actual president of the United States off of an American social media platform.
This is the world we live in.
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And I would say, I listen to that.
I agree with you, and I'll tell you why.
I think it's completely inconsistent that companies like Facebook and Twitter allow people like the Ayatollah of Iran, for example, to remain on the platform or Taliban people to be on the platform, but they don't allow an American president.
That seems to me completely ludicrous.
Yes, and this is part of the 100-year plan that they have books on about, you know, China's takeover of America after losing the Industrial Revolution.
Now, let's talk about business people.
We won't refer to their race.
And by the way, I'll tell you, as a Jew person, a person that has a lot of Jewish friends, it's not a race, it's a people.
Right.
And every Jewish homeboy I know is going to be like, yo, yeah, that's right.
So, but it's hard to attract, it's hard to influence patriotism on capitalists.
And it's a responsibility for us as Americans to retake our power in media, to retake our power in our schools, to retake our power in our farms, to retake our power in our medicine, in our hospitals, to revitalize the country.
Because America invented rock and roll at the end of the day.
We have the inventions.
America created Apple.
You understand?
Like, we created the platforms that the world runs on now.
And we've allowed the business people in these companies to sell us in whatever the term is, sell them in a handbag, whatever it is, for cheap.
And Americans are God-fearing, for the most part, God-fearing Christian people, and we're not cheap.
I want to ask you about your family.
Because you mentioned families there.
A lot of stuff has been written about you and your family, a lot of it fueled by you, by Kim, by others.
Where are things now with your family?
What is your relationship like with Kim, with your kids?
Kim has Zionist media handlers surrounding her, all in and out, her Hulu TV show, all in and out, her family, all in or out, the house that I created for my family.
But God is alive.
The devil is a defeated foe.
And Kim is a Christian woman.
And she's not here just to have content up on adult channels.
She's not here just to have that last interview magazine cover.
If you look at the two interview magazine covers, look at the one when I was there, and look at the one when I'm not there.
And that's the reason why this Tuskegee experiment of such that's happened to the black community, where they took the fathers out of the home and the leaders out of the community and have torn apart the community.
Now they've seen that's worked and they're doing that to America.
They're attempting.
They're trying.
I mean, that interview.
The interview magazine cover you're talking about, I think, is the one where she was basically semi-naked in front of the American flag.
And I thought that was pretty distasteful, actually.
It was about the American dream.
And I thought, well, if that's the American dream, we're all screwed.
And I agree with that.
And I didn't feel the platform to voice my opinion because I want to, it's always like, hey, this is your kid's mother.
But it's time where the leaders, like, I'm still the priest of that home, Chris.
I'm still the priest of that home.
They want to make it this matriarch society, all that.
And, you know, but I am the priest of this home and God is alive.
I am the living Robert Kardashian.
And I'm going to stand up for what God would want as a Christian.
And then people say, as a Christian, oh, you're not supposed to curse.
You're not supposed to have righteous indignation.
But I do.
You know, Christians had swords also.
Christians got guns.
I tell you that.
But do you talk to Kim?
There have been reports, yeah, that you and Kim don't really talk at the moment.
She's distancing herself from you because of the stuff you've been saying was getting controversy.
Is that true?
I mean, John Legend is distancing himself from me and buying more Christmas sweaters in the middle of spring also.
So I'm not saying that, you know, they're making the right decisions.
She's being influenced, you know, but I guarantee you what's not going to happen, we're not going to see her in one of them John Legend Christmas sweaters no time soon.
But do you talk to her?
Are you still in touch?
Wait a second.
Don't you think it's like funny to like make a joke out of stuff sometimes?
Don't you think like God has a sense of humor?
But watch this.
God, God, when I got married, I bought this house.
I like, you know what I'm saying?
I did this tour and spent all the money I had on this house to like surprise Kim and give her this house that she wanted that Lisa Marie Presley used to own.
And then I got the house and then I put all this money into renovation.
And then there goes the neighborhood.
Drake moves down the street five blocks.
And that's when I knew God was funny.
But watch, this is where God is even funnier.
Here goes like Louis C.K. part two level because Louis C.K. is the funniest man alive.
Uncancel him now, right?
Are you sad that you're no longer together?
That you're divorced?
We'll always be together.
She dresses exactly like me.
What do you mean?
Like my kids are me.
There's no person that she'll ever get with that will influence her more than God and then her priest on earth, which is me.
You know, whether it's the Skims clothing line, the designers, the architects, all those people, you got the Clintons, the left, utilizing what we built together to try to use her as an influence for the black culture and the work culture in general for the next elections.
They need those 300 million followers from Kylie and Kim on their side going into their election as they push trauma culture to the black people again, as they claim anything,
any of my questions of business dealings to be anti-Semitic comments, and push, you know, Kim to, you know, as a billionaire mother of a lawyer and a mother of four Jew black children to do covers like interview.
And that's what happens when they take the dads out the home, and that's what they've been doing in the hood.
They take the fathers and the leaders out of the homes.
Like when I was young and I would go to the video store, if I wanted to go into the adult section, it was a curtain.
It was a person sitting there watching, making sure that kids didn't go in.
And if the kids went into that section, there was a video camera and they would have, you would be escorted out of that section.
Now that section is forced through TikTok and in so many branded commercials to confuse children and to sexualize our children way too early before they can even make their own decisions about their life.
Look, you make some very interesting points again.
Just to clarify one thing though, you are actually divorced, are you?
Because my understanding was that you weren't actually divorced yet.
You know, I ask God the same question some mornings.
Am I divorced, God?
Am I divorced?
Because I may be divorced on paper, but I'm not divorced of the idea of being the protector of not only this person who is so influential.
Imagine Kim making all of her decisions that she does publicly.
You know, grown folks' business is grown folks' business.
Never know what could happen with a little sippy sippy or whatever.
But, you know, all the decisions that she makes publicly being based on an audience of one.
And Pierce, what audience do you think I'm saying that is?
But you mean God?
God.
So picture the most influential person on the planet, the most influential woman on the planet performing in public only for that audience of one, for God.
Imagine the overwhelmingly positive effect that that will have on the planet.
And mark these words.
It will happen someday.
And I had this thing.
I had this like, you know, of course I'm divorced and this is like a funny thing I thought.
Being that her name is no longer West and my name is no longer Ye, if there was ever, I mean, sorry, being that her name is no longer West and my name is now only Ye, if we were ever to be together again, what would our name be?
Kim Ye.
Would you like that?
Everything is up to God.
And God has proven to me many times that it's not about what I want or what I would like.
It's just up to him and what he sees fit.
You know, David had to do it.
But let me ask you.
I mean, do you still love Kim?
Do you still love Kim?
Do you still love Kim?
I absolutely love her.
I'll love her for life.
And I will protect, oddly enough, I'll actually protect her.
Because when I call out things that I feel are wrong, you know what I'm saying?
When I make products, like, say the difference between me and Bernard Arnault.
Like, say, watch, Elon Musk, every product, the reason why Elon Musk is like a Steve Jobs is if he makes a flamethrower, he would use that flamethrower.
If he makes a cyber truck, he would use that cyber truck.
Me, if I make some 3D printed boots, you know, I'm going to have the 3D printed boots on and love those every day.
Can I go parallel?
Absolutely, sir.
They would bring me also.
These boots are a hit.
Love those.
Yes.
Those are fantastic.
Would you like one day to get back with Kim, do you think?
Do you feel like you've gone through a very tumultuous period, but that actually the love underneath it all between two people remains?
And would you like to get back together?
Those thirst traps still be fire.
Do you understand what I said?
Do you understand that language?
I think so.
I think so.
You better explain it to me.
What do you think those thirst traps still be fire means?
Can you explain that to me?
Well, with my rather creative British mind.
Will those thirst traps still be fire?
I would imagine it means brilliant British man.
I would imagine it means you still fancy your ex-wife.
Is that right?
Media Misinterpretation 00:06:27
You know, I would prefer to not be put on this.
I would never, I would prefer to not be put on the spot on these kind of questions.
What I could say is God is alive.
God had David tend to the sheep, knowing that one day he would prepare him to fight Goliath.
So I believe that that day of me fighting Goliath has been this past two weeks.
The media is Goliath.
And there would be no chance of having a civil civilization or civil democracy in America without me challenging the media two years out from the election.
Because this thing that I'm challenging may be setting myself up to one day be able to be president, or it's maybe for the other president.
But regardless, we have to have some decency in America as the thought leaders in the content that we put out.
But on that point, on that point, you keep talking about the media as if somehow it's the media that's created all this furori in the last two weeks.
But you have said other things which, in my opinion, the media couldn't ignore.
You know, you suggested in your interview with Tucker Carlson that Gap, for example, the clothing wear company, had prior knowledge of the Avalde shooting, which is obviously completely insane.
Why would you say that?
And then why would you be surprised if the media then react to it?
They're bound to.
What I'm saying is that was worded.
That might have been worded in a way that the media could take in the wrong way.
But I thought it was really interesting the amount of people at Gap.
We had a release that was happening, and the amount of people at Gap that were rallying around this as a media moment.
If they didn't know about that, where there's theories, you can't say that the theories about 9-11 are completely insane.
That's just the person I am.
I'm that kind of person.
Well, look, you're perfectly entitled to have theories.
I think most of them are completely insane.
But on this, on this specific one, on your Valdez, you even suggested that Matthew McConaughey.
You even suggested that Matthew McConaughey may have, it was all a bit weird that he was speaking so early about it when, in fact, he came from Evalde and spoke very passionately after this atrocity.
So I think people read these comments.
They're like, what are you talking about?
No, okay.
So I'm not.
What I'm saying is I definitely feel there was a major media push around that to create trauma and fear culture.
20 kids were shot dead in a classroom.
20 children were shot dead in school.
So let me explain.
No one in the media is putting any sort of trauma into that.
That is the trauma.
Okay, Pierce, Pierce, how many, how often does that happen in my hometown?
Well, 20 kids are killed in school in one mass shooting.
As far as I'm aware, it's never happened in your hometown.
Has it?
Yeah, it does.
Not in one mass shooting.
I didn't finish.
I didn't finish.
Let's not do this again.
Okay.
We reviewed.
I reviewed the kids.
I understand.
You could talk.
At least 14 kids are killed in Chicago every week.
And there's no media push around it.
And that's my issue.
When I was at Gap, there was no media push around the killings in Chicago.
I completely agree.
My youngest son has recently been at the University of Chicago every year.
And there were two students shot in that time.
I completely agree that there is never enough attention given to all the slaughter from gun violence in Chicago.
Completely agree with you.
What I can't agree with is any suggestion by you that anyone at Gap or Matthew McConaughey or anybody else had any prior knowledge of what happened at Evalde.
Of course they didn't.
What I'm saying is I'm not saying they did, but with the amount of attention that went, understand, I was jealous, once again.
You feel me?
I'm jealous that so much attention went in this direction, but doesn't go into the direction of Chicago when you're talking about the amount of people.
That's what you should say.
I'm not going to finish.
Yeah, but it comes down to the way you feel.
Hey, hey, I just said it.
Like I just said, you're not always going to say the things the right way, but at least I have the bravery to open the conversation.
Your first sentence isn't your last sentence.
My first rap that I told wasn't my last rap that I told.
And now that's the whole point.
It's said.
Once it's said, except that it was said.
I am the iPhone 20, right?
Have you ever heard the term premeditated murder?
Yes.
I feel, I feel like the George Floyd was a premeditated murder.
That's my feeling based off of.
I agree, but not for the reason you think.
I think it was premeditated in the sense that that policeman didn't give a damn about George Floyd's life, stuck his knee on his neck for eight minutes and killed him.
Like I said, you have the opportunity to look at it different ways.
Like I said to you, you are completely entitled to challenge anything, frankly.
And I'm equally entitled to come back at you and say what I think.
That's what a democracy is about.
Next tonight, my world exclusive interview with Yay continues.
I've wanted to interview you for years.
I genuinely mean it when I say I think you're one of the most brilliant, talented people that I've seen in the public sphere.
And you have a lot of fascinating ideas and you're incredibly creative and you're completely entitled to your views.
But I'm entitled to mine.
And I think we've had some really interesting exchanges, actually.
Critiquing The Left 00:03:07
I want to just talk to you quickly before we finish about your kids and about you as a father.
What kind of kids do you want them to be?
What kind of values do you want to instill in your children?
I want my kids to finish their education.
I know that my album was called The College Dropout, but when I look at the way, you know, just like you said, your kids are in the University of Chicago.
We need the education.
That's another thing to be jealous about.
You know, the Muslims have the Quran, right?
And Jewish people also have their holy books, but they have the education.
And once we have the education and we have the strong black minds, we need to pull them together.
There hasn't been end-to-end black-owned communities since Black Wall Street or since the gentrification of Harlem.
Like I was talking, I have this tech company called STEM, right?
So I called this guy and we're working on finishing up elements of the deal.
And he's using emotional bullying and like his shoulders are down.
You could tell on the call.
He says, well, because of your comments, we're not going to be able to hire people as the people that we need.
And I said, well, how many people do we have working for us?
He said, 60.
And we have 40 part-time.
I said, well, how many Jewish people do we have?
He said, well, I don't know.
I don't know.
We have some.
And I said, well, do we have black people working for her?
He said, yeah.
I said, how many?
He said, two.
And I said, you're telling me we can't find 60 black engineers?
Well, yeah.
And see, that's where that comment that got me into so much trouble forced me to look at myself as a black, as the richest black man since Mansa Munsa, right, with multiple tech companies.
And where am I kicking the tires inside of my own company to ensure that I'm hiring my people?
Because Chinese people hire Chinese people and Jewish people hire Jewish people and Catholics hire Catholics, right?
But with blacks, we'll give our company to Bernard Arnaud.
We'll give our company to Mark Zuckerberg.
We'll give our company away.
You know, Kamala is our never again.
We're never going to just hand something over just because we like the way this person looks and we have the emotional connection because she was a Delta and my mom was a Delta.
She got 96% of the black female vote.
You would have thought Drake was running.
And we haven't seen her really honestly since.
And I want to say something about the left.
The left, you guys got to sit with me.
Your current administration that these guys put up, they the pot on this one.
They should have got Bernie, but Bernie had too much of a conscience.
And so you got a guy with no conscience.
Instead of getting Bernie Sanders, you guys got weekend at Bernie's.
I won't disagree with you about, I don't disagree with you about President Biden or Carmen Harris for that matter.
Requesting An Apology 00:08:30
Let me ask you about someone we haven't mentioned, Vladimir Putin and what he's been doing in Ukraine.
What is your view of that?
I Do not believe in war.
And I believe that there is ways that America could have avoided this war.
But Biden has money.
Biden has reasons for us to be at war right now for selfish reasons.
And what I would like to do, without giving you too much information, I would like to speak with my political advisors to give you the exact exact information.
I'm not going to, hey, watch this one, Pierce.
I'm not going to shoot from the hip on this one, especially talking about war and things as sensitive as Ukraine and the Russian war.
No, no.
We already got that RETARD comment earlier that maybe we could work on that I feel like is going to be massively offensive.
And I really do.
Now that one, I do apologize to people that I offended earlier in the interview on that comment.
Maybe we could look at scrubbing that if we deemed that.
Actually, I would say this.
It's an uncensored interview.
You said something which you've now wished you hadn't said and you've apologized.
I actually think that says a lot about you, right?
That shows you've got that ability to be self-aware, to understand when you cross the line.
I think someone like you, with all your energy and creativity and your passion, you're going to say stuff.
The way that you talk constantly and in such an extraordinary manner, you're going to trip up.
You're going to say things the wrong way.
I don't think there's anything wrong in when you do that, doing what you just did.
And saying, I'm sorry, I crossed the line.
I apologize.
It's actually quite empowering.
You know what I think?
You know what I think I'll go ahead and do?
I feel that I've given the platform.
And I think by holding the idea of an apology hostage is not godlike.
Correct.
I feel like we have to free.
Yeah, you know, and I think that's the point that you've been making.
And because we sat down and had this conversation, you know, I will say I'm sorry for the people that are hurt with the DEF CON, the confusion that I call.
I feel like I cause hurt and confusion.
And I'm sorry for the families of the people that had nothing to do with the trauma that I had been through.
And that I use my platform where you say hurt people, hurt people.
And I was hurt.
I was frustrated.
And I want to say that it's wrong to hold an apology hostage.
And I got to let go of that and free, you know, free myself of the trauma and say, look, I'm just going to give it all up to God right now and say to those families that I hurt, you know, I really want to give you guys a big hug.
And I want to, I say, I'm sorry for hurting you with my comments.
And I want to word it and not in like a political way, but in a presidential way, which means what I knew a president to be when I was growing up in a sincere way.
You know how people give those kind of, I want to give an apology.
And you're like, but did you?
You know what I'm saying?
Like, no, it has to be.
I want to go to every person's grandmother and grandfather and every person's son and daughter, aunt and uncle, and give them a hug and say, you know what?
I've been hurt and I do want you to talk to your boys.
I do want you to talk to the people that are in power, the people who do own the black voice, the people who do own the black voice, the vote, which a lot of Jewish business people do.
And I want to be able to sit at the table with the contracts.
I want my people to sit at the table with the contracts.
I do want all of this, but I'm not going to hold my apology hostage till I get that.
I'm going to start by taking accountability for my actions and the lack of sophistication in my wording.
Like I said, I was sleepy and it was taken in a way that I didn't mean to be taken.
It definitely caused some attention.
But I don't want the conversation to go away just because I came to you guys and said, you know, I understand how I hurt you and I'm sorry for the pain that I've caused and the confusion that I cause.
Now that is said, right?
But I don't want the conversation to go away that we are still in a place where these contracts are still.
My people are still getting screwed.
This has to be opened up.
And I'm not asking for a promise, but it would be a beautiful world as I release the pain that I've caused and the pain that I have in me, that grudge that I was holding, that you guys, some of you guys, one, two of you guys, step up and say, let's look at these contracts.
Let's make it not be a known fact that the music industry is treacherous.
Let's make the, because my kids, some of my kids do music.
You know, I don't want them to step into a treacherous place.
I want it to be better for them than it was for me.
So I want us to sit down and come together and really work on that.
Would that make sense to you, Pierce?
You know what, Yay?
If you'd simply said that in your tweet, I don't think there would have been any problem.
And I'm very, very pleased, actually, that we've got to a place where you felt able to say that.
And I think it was sincere.
But we still have a problem.
That's my point.
No, no, I get it.
I get it.
But what you've now done, you've now explained the context of the problem.
And you also issued a sincere apology to people who were rightly offended by the way you phrased what you said.
So I think that's a good place to finish the interview.
And I'm very glad you got there.
Okay, but it's not finished.
I understand.
The idea is not finished.
I understand.
That there's still a problem.
I understand.
No one's going to be in any doubt there's a problem.
And by the way, I'm sure there is.
I'm sure that a lot of the contracts in the music business are rigged against people like artists like yourself.
I'm sure of it.
It's always been the case from Elvis onwards.
So I get it.
Pierce, would you help me and my people?
Would you help me and my athletes?
I got so many athletes that go to my school that are like all the guys that are on Donda are headed to the NBA, right?
Could you help me?
Could you help us make these contracts better for our people by calling attention, by just allowing me on your platform, right?
And let's look at some of the things and point these things out.
Could we work together on the gears?
Very happy to do that.
Yeah.
Very happy to do that.
I think we should talk more often.
All right.
It's taken a long time to get here.
I've thoroughly enjoyed our conversation.
It's been two hours.
It's been free-rolling.
It's been occasionally challenging.
But we've got to a place where I think it's a good place.
And I've really enjoyed it.
So thank you very much, indeed, Ye, for sparing me the time.
You know I'm going to feel like I lost my stone I was holding.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But but I but I had to give it up to God.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, you know, you're going to be bragging.
You're going to be bragging at dinner tonight, like, yo, I talked to Yay.
No one could do it.
No one could do it.
I did it.
And, you know, I'm giving you this, and I'm going to pray that you, as a fellow believer in Christ, will help me to expose all the wrong that's still currently happening to my people, specifically in the entertainment industry.
Honestly, I'm very happy.
I'm very happy to hold anyone to account who is behaving improperly.
Honestly.
And I'm absolutely certain that that entertainment business is riddled with people who try it on and exploit people.
And I would be very happy to help you to expose that.
But for now, I've got to leave it.
Yay!
We've had two hours.
It's been remarkable.
Thank you very much for your time.
Peace.
Well, that's it for tonight.
An extraordinary interview.
Whatever you're up to, keep it Unsensit.
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