Quitting the Coffee Shop Job
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All I do is smash heads, bro.
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Hey, everybody.
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How's it going out there in Podcastiverse?
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What's up?
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Dan Friesen here.
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Happy Thursday to you and yours.
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It's a good one over here in Chicago.
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It's warm outside.
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And to make a little bit of an announcement, I quit my coffee shop job.
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Yay.
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To celebrate, I'm here joined in the studio by the one, the only, Marty DeRosa.
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The quitter of quitters.
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Boy, have I quit a lot of things.
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I think you and I could trade good quitting stories.
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Like, we could be the salty guys at a bar.
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One time I. Did you give him notice?
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Fuck no.
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One time I called in, I was working at a Office Max, Office Depot or Office Max, can't remember.
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I was working, I had to be in by like 7 in the morning, and I hated it.
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The guy who was training me was this huge, bald, super Christian dude, and he was just talking to me about God while we're trying to restock shelves and stuff like that, and like, I'm carrying huge reams of paper in the morning, it's awful, and so one day I was just like, I'm not doing it.
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I woke up, And I called my boss.
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I'm like, hey, my car won't start.
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I can't make it in.
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And he's like, okay, look, I need you in.
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I'll pay for your cab.
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Just get a cab and when you get here, we'll pay for it.
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I'm like, ah, I don't really feel comfortable with that.
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You know, like, I feel like I would owe you money and I don't want to owe my employer money.
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It just feels weird.
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He's like, all right, I'll tell you what.
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Then I'm going to send one of our coworkers.
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They'll come and pick you up.
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You know, no money.
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Shit.
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I'm like, I don't, look, you got to open the store.
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It would be, you know, you would be one man down.
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It would be super inconvenient.
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I just kept coming up with things.
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And finally he's like, uh, he's like, what's going on?
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He was like, I quit.
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And he's like, fuck you.
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I just hung up.
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Damn.
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I remember one time.
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Yeah, we were going to, we were going to do some day drinking and I was going to quit Barnes and Noble.
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And I just called up.
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I'm like, Hey, what's up?
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It's Marty.
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Uh, they're like, yeah, you're scheduled for today.
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I'm like, Oh yeah, I know.
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I'm not going to come in.
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Funny story about that.
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Funny story.
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And I remember just so upbeat.
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And then I'm like, and they're like, you know, if you don't come in, you can, don't bother coming back.
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I'm like, Yep, no problem.
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That's the idea.
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And then I hung up.
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My friends go, Well, that was the most upbeat, uh, quitting of a job I've ever heard.
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Yeah, I quit on the phone yesterday, last night, and it was right before a recording of Jam Sandwich with Nick Rowley.
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It's a jam sandwich.
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All right.
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The Nick Rowley sound.
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The thing that he said, he was like, that was very fun, not fun, but adult sounding.
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I was like, I didn't even realize that I had a real chipper attitude about it.
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It's this weird interaction because it sucks for them, but it's the best thing in the world for you.
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Sure.
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So you're happy about it, they're not happy about it.
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Also, and maybe this is our.
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Our generation, maybe.
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Or milieu.
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Or whatever.
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But, you know, it'd be like, ah, they're a giant company.
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They're going to be all right.
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Yeah, these stupid corporations, these faceless.
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Had you told people on the podcast, I don't know, you haven't said where you were.
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It was Starbucks.
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It was Starbucks.
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I liked how far out tried to say, what does it rhyme with?
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And you're like, nope, not going down that road.
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I didn't know how long I'd be there, and I felt like inevitably disparaging things would be said.
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So I didn't want to, like, and I accidentally let slip to the people that I had a radio show.
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Oh.
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And so, like, I knew that they could Google it.
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Did you ever see anyone you knew there?
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Huh.
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I did boo Bobby Buds when he was on, he was giving a tour.
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Okay, okay.
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And I saw Matt Riggs giving a tour one time, and Drees visited me for lunch once.
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But outside of that, no, not really.
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Okay.
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I did go on a date with a girl who sent a picture of me to her friend.
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You know, it's sort of like, this is the guy I'm going out on a date with.
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Wow.
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And her friend was like, oh, that guy works at my Starbucks.
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What?
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So that was one connection.
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But no, there was never, it was weird.
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I mean, when would any of our friends be downtown in the morning?
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Except for jobs, maybe.
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Maybe jobs.
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That's the only.
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A lot of our friends are fucking degenerates.
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Maybe someone hooked up with a fancy lady.
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Walk of shame from a downtown loft.
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Oh man, that's not a walk of shame.
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No, it's a walk of pride.
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Absolutely.
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That's one of my old jokes.
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Is that right?
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Oh, we don't have walks of shame, ladies.
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Then I walk down the street and I go to homeless people.
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See that window up there?
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I fucked the lady who owns that window.
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So, you know what?
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You close a short, a very short chapter in your life.
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It was about a month.
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I got a new job.
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That's the reason I quit.
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You know what they say in the wrestling business?
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What's that?
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You were there for a cup of coffee.
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Boom!
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Yeah.
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That's a good expression.
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I did get another job, and that's the reason that I felt so comfortable with just like, peace.
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Yep.
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I'm out.
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So, I got another job to nine to five.
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Gloria Jean's coffee beans.
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More or less.
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And still in the coffee biz.
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Woo!
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Which is cool, but it's in the distribution sort of world.
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Yeah.
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Office, nine to five.
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I didn't want to get into another office after, uh, Groupon.bomb.
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Yeah.
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But, uh.
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I don't know if I could work in an office.
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I feel like this office, from everything I've observed and a couple friends who we have who've worked there.
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Yeah.
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It seems like a very Different environment.
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Okay, good.
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It's very few people.
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It's a small team.
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Everybody seems chill, seems cool.
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You know people who've worked there in the past?
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I do.
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We both do.
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Perfect.
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And they speak highly of it.
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And a casual environment.
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Fuck yeah.
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Jeans.
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Fuck yeah.
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A lot of autonomy.
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I'm very excited.
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They're going to force you to wear jeans?
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Yeah.
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You don't normally wear jeans.
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No, they've been testing my jeans.
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They're going to force you to wear jeans.
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That's wild.
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I think I'm going to go capitalize on a few new pairs of slacks this evening, man.
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I like it.
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They'll make a clothes roll.
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Why?
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Have become a Dickies man.
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Is that right?
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Yeah.
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The thick pant.
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No, they've got a little skinny pant.
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It's got a little stretch to it.
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Not too much of a stretch.
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That doesn't sound like a Dickie to me.
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I enjoy them.
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It seems like the world of work pants, like a thicker, hardier kind of a pant.
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No, I can tell they're a sturdy pant.
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Let me try and cut those things.
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They're just, nope, not going to work.
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It's just nice.
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And my, you know, I have friends who are ladies who might be lady friends.
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Likes me in them.
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Nice.
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It's cool.
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That's what's important.
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It's nice to break up the jean monotony.
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Sure.
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That's what I'm trying to say because I have my black jeans, which I wear quite often.
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I've noticed that.
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And then I have my signature look.
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Let's just say this.
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Let's say jeans or black jeans, a white t shirt, and a leather jacket.
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Not a leather jacket, a jean jacket.
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You got it.
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That's mostly what I see you in.
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That's mostly what you will see me in.
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That's why I can spot you from like three blocks away.
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You did spot me that one time.
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More than once.
The Struggle with Work Pants
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No.
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More than once.
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I just see you walking.
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You got the cocky Marty DeRosa strut, but Rick flaring it down the street.
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There's usually.
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You know, just some great tunes in my ears.
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Of course.
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And I'm just gliding down the street.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Just gliding down the street.
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It's the best.
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Or I'm listening to Freezing Point, Jam Sandwich.
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Our sister podcasts.
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It's part of that brotherhood and sisterhood of podcasts.
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Our unofficial network.
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We really do have an unofficial network.
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Yeah.
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I like it.
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It's better than when I tried to make an official one.
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Well, you know.
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But anyway, I'm still in deep celebration mode.
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Yeah.
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I'm excited that we get to do this while I'm in this pink cloud before I realize that any job sucks.
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But you know why we're here, Marty.
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Yes, we're here to do another episode of That's What They Want You to Think.
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Marilyn Monroe, you won the Twitter poll, but you lost the game of life.
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Was it suicide or was it murder?
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I think we are gonna talk about murder more than suicide.
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Elton John wrote a song about you.
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Bernie Taupin did.
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An Illuminati calling card.
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That's what they want you to think.
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Wow.
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That's what they want you to think.
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You were de- Oh, sorry.
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I was gonna do more about that.
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No.
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You were found with no cup of water.
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Okay.
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That's, uh, that is true.
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We'll get into that.
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Guys, we put out a Twitter poll with three okay conspiracies and one Marilyn Monroe.
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The way we crafted this.
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Yeah, we were sitting at, uh, Riverview Tavern.
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Riverview Tavern, middle of the afternoon.
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We were getting into a bit of an argument about what our next episode would be about.
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We don't want this to be the true crime podcast.
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No.
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And we don't want it to be the young women who die mysteriously podcast.
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I know, but unfortunately, that's where we're going.
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No.
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Uh, so Dan wants to just.
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You know.
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I want to talk about Hollow Earth, pretty much.
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Let's talk about Hollow Earth.
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Yeah.
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Uh, Planet X.
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Yeah.
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Uh, what was the third?
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Third one was Dracula, just as they like, so in a curveball.
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I wanted Dracula so bad.
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We'll get to Dracula in the future, I'm sure.
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Alright.
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Vlad.
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Uh, and then we got into good old Marilyn.
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We threw Marilyn Monroe almost as an afterthought, cause we need four entries here.
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Should've known.
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Should've known.
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Seriously.
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The Pointer Sisters.
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You guys want to talk about women getting murdered.
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God damn it.
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And you want, I get it, you guys want the true crime.
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And I'm all about the true crime too.
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True crime is, uh, Interesting.
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Yeah.
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And, uh, it's one of those things that is more factually based than a lot of these other conspiracies.
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Like, Hollow Earth, there's very little facts to go on.
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Yeah.
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But if you have a murder, there's reports from coroners, there's, there's these things you can go on.
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And one of the tasty things about this case, which I, I, maybe there's a lot about, but like, you know, your JFKs, your things like that.
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There's, uh, some bed, some, some, uh, hospital bed confessions.
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Is that right?
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Yeah.
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I don't, I don't know about that.
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I like that.
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Okay.
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That's my favorite emo band.
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Deathbed confessions.
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Deathbed confessional?
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So, just to break in, let's give a little bit of a background.
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Okay.
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Marilyn Monroe was born Norma Jean Mortensen on June 1st, 1926.
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She was born to a woman named Gladys.
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She was not the first child of this woman.
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However, she had had these other children through a past marriage.
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And so, when she got divorced from this other gentleman, he took the kids.
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And Marilyn Monroe never knew that she had siblings until she was about 12 years old, grew up thinking she was an only child.
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She was born and raised in Los Angeles, and soon.
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Very soon after she was born, she ended up in an orphanage and foster homes for the extent of her childhood because her mom was Looney Tunes and ended up having like schizophrenic breaks and was hospitalized in mental institutions.
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She was sent around from various orphanages and foster homes, routinely molested by people in those homes.
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She ended up going, landing in Van Nuys, California, where she went to high school, which coincidentally, where I was born, and ended up in a situation where she was in a foster home.
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The woman who, uh, was her foster parent, her husband had molested her in the past, and his company gave, uh, him a trip, uh, relocated him to West Virginia.
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However, the state said, we can't let you take this child out of state boundaries.
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Or, you can't, I know you've adopted her and your foster parents, but you can't transport her across state lines.
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And in an effort to make sure that she didn't end up back in the orphanage system, what they ended up doing was she was 16 years old, and she married the neighbor's son.
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Oh, boy.
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Son was 21 years old.
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They ended up getting married for whatever that convenience is.
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Marilyn stays around, or I guess she's still Norma at this point.
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But she marries this dude.
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They have not a very great marriage.
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He ends up joining the Merchant Marines and going off.
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And around the same time, she's about 18 years old.
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She gets a job in a factory helping supply the war effort.
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So she's in this factory making.
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She's Rosie the Riveter.
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Basically, yeah.
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I love it.
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She's making propellers and stuff for planes and all this nonsense.
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And while she's there.
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A photographer who I have to assume is a creep sees her and is like, you'd be great for modeling.
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And she goes from the factory and begins her career in pinup modeling.
Marilyn's Rise to Fame
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Yes.
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Which ends up involving some nudes.
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Well, you got to.
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Some tasteful nudes.
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You got to.
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So that's sort of a very brief version of her childhood to her beginnings in show business.
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Yes.
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So what do you know about Marilyn Monroe as a human?
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Okay.
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That's a great question.
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Well, I mean, not about her murder, because we'll get to that.
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Well, I. Quote unquote murder.
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Yeah, I, you know, I'm trying to think, like, as a kid, obviously, like, you hear about Marilyn Monroe, I think more as, like, a pop culture reference.
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Sure.
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As a style icon.
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Yep.
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And then I think, like, I think I remember, like, when Madonna was really popular, like, there was, like, she's the new Marilyn Monroe.
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That was a thing.
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It was very intentional.
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Yeah.
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And I just kind of feel like Marilyn Monroe was kind of like definitely, like, advertisements a lot, things like that.
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You'd see that picture of her with the steam shooting up her dress all over the place.
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And then movies, you know what I mean?
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I feel like whenever you watch at the Academy Awards, there's always, like, a nod to, like, Marilyn Monroe movies and things like that.
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And then I remember.
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It's the 40th anniversary of Gentlemen Prefer Blonde.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And then I remember getting into politics.
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Like, and the history.
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Interesting.
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I really did get into it.
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Like, I really enjoyed.
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Like, I, when I was, even as a kid, I could watch, like, a history documentary.
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Or watch McNeil Lair Hour.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I'm just, oh, this is great.
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I'm just eating this all up.
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Uh, well, cause I remember watching Saturday Night Live when they would do the McLaughlin group or whatever.
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And then, you know, I'd be like, well, I want to watch the real one.
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You know what I mean?
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Because it's giving me a taste.
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And I'd watch it a little bit and I'd kind of be like, okay.
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I get what's going on here.
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Probably the only child to have that response to a comedy sketch.
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So then, uh, I remember hearing the rumblings of like, she had an affair with, uh, JFK.
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And this isn't where you, there was no YouTube to go on to be like, let me check this out.
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Um, but I do remember, uh, seeing it.
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I think I remember asking, like, teachers and stuff like that, like in history class.
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It was like whenever, like, JFK would come up.
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What do you know about who put it into Maryland?
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I'd be like, did he have an affair with Marilyn Monroe?
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And they'd be like, ah.
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Hey, kid.
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I don't know.
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But then, then I was just like, okay.
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Then it was, Like movies I'd see that started, you know, like the JFK biopic or whatever, the Sinatra one, like all those.
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Then you start seeing, like, oh, these.
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It was to me, it was like the world got smaller seeing how all these people were interconnectedness in each other's lives and stuff.
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Then, I mean, just like looking back now, it's just some of it is so crazy.
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Yeah.
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Just the level of access she had, the outright, I'm fucking this woman.
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The happy birthday thing.
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Like, I mean, to me, it's kind of one of those things of when, like, someone clearly brings, like, not their girlfriend to a show, and we all have to be like, okay.
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Like, it's like a whole country had to do that.
► 00:15:03
Like, a whole country had to be like, awkward.
► 00:15:06
But they didn't know about that at the time.
► 00:15:08
No?
► 00:15:09
No.
► 00:15:10
They didn't know about any involvement between JFK and her.
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Okay.
► 00:15:14
At the time.
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And we'll get more in depth into that.
► 00:15:16
Yeah.
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Because I have some, I have some findings.
► 00:15:19
Can't wait.
► 00:15:20
But then, and then I, then I started hearing the, I don't know if it was like, I'm trying to think if I got, when I got real into conspiracy theories, if I got books to the library that were like, guess what?
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Or if it was like, a lot of these two came from like Howard Stern of him being like, well, you know, if you think she actually was killed.
► 00:15:37
And then like, what?
► 00:15:38
Yeah.
► 00:15:39
You know, so.
► 00:15:40
There have been a ton of books written about this whole stuff.
► 00:15:43
It's a sexy, I mean.
► 00:15:44
But a number of the people who have written these books eventually have come out and been like, that wasn't based on any truth.
► 00:15:50
Okay.
► 00:15:50
This is just like.
► 00:15:51
I mean, it's a very sexy story.
► 00:15:54
Of course.
► 00:15:54
You have the.
► 00:15:55
I mean,.
► 00:15:57
It would be like, you know, if Beyonce was having an affair with Obama right now.
► 00:16:02
Yeah, that's a great analogy.
► 00:16:05
And then if Beyonce was found dead, it would be like, yo, come on.
► 00:16:09
And after Beyonce does a seductive dance for Obama, come on.
► 00:16:15
You fucked up.
► 00:16:15
That would be crazy.
► 00:16:16
You're so fucked up.
► 00:16:17
But that was what happened.
► 00:16:18
Yeah, yeah.
► 00:16:19
Or at least that's what they want you to think.
► 00:16:22
Let's get a little bit of detail about her rise to fame.
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Okay.
► 00:16:27
Yeah, okay.
► 00:16:27
I have a lot of questions, so hopefully you can answer them.
► 00:16:29
Well, okay.
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She was doing this pinup modeling stuff, and she wanted to get into acting.
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And so.
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She eventually meets some people and, uh, gets signed to 20th Century Fox around 1946.
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And she's only signed to, uh, 20th Century Fox, uh, out of spite for another company.
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So basically, she auditioned for the head of the studio and he wasn't impressed with her, but he didn't want RKO Studios.
► 00:16:55
Brandy, Brandy Orton.
► 00:16:56
Exactly.
► 00:16:58
Uh, they didn't want them to sign.
► 00:16:59
RKO Studios out of nowhere.
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I only said the name of that.
► 00:17:02
I know.
► 00:17:03
So you would.
► 00:17:03
I love it.
► 00:17:04
Yeah.
► 00:17:05
Uh, he, he was like, I don't want them to have her, so we'll sign her, and she's given, like, A couple of lines on things.
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Very unsuccessful.
► 00:17:12
Yeah, and I remembered watching some documentary about her.
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Uh, and not a great actress.
► 00:17:19
Nope.
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A pain in the ass.
► 00:17:22
I want to say this before we get too far because we have to walk a pretty interesting line when talking about Marilyn Monroe.
► 00:17:28
Uh, I don't think that most of the things that she did were ethically wrong, but some of them are not great.
► 00:17:34
There are things, there's a lot of things, and I'm not in the slut shaming business, but there will be a lot of times where I say things about like how she fucked everybody.
► 00:17:44
Well, here's the deal, though.
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And I mean, look at her childhood.
► 00:17:47
Exactly.
► 00:17:48
So, I'm not saying.
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I mean, I think she's a product of her environment.
► 00:17:56
Of course.
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And I think she's somebody who maybe at a young age learned to use sex as survival.
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Probably.
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And I'm very.
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And as a weapon.
► 00:18:06
Well, yeah, maybe too.
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But also, I mean, like, my heart goes out to anyone who had to go through foster home after foster home getting molested by people.
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Your entire childhood's sexual abuse.
► 00:18:17
So it's just like.
► 00:18:20
I could never sort of blame her for.
► 00:18:24
No.
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Not at all.
► 00:18:24
I wouldn't say just about anything, but I mean.
► 00:18:27
The other interesting line that we have to walk that I find fascinating is that she is responsible for a lot of really interesting and important things in show business, and then a lot of the things that she does weren't earned.
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So there's a lot of things that she actually worked really hard for, and she was.
► 00:18:44
Eventually, she ended up starting her own studio, the Marilyn Monroe Pictures, and it wasn't a wildly successful thing, but many people credit it with.
► 00:18:53
A sort of opening salvo in the destruction of the studio system in Hollywood.
► 00:18:56
Yeah.
► 00:18:57
So she's responsible for trying to break out on her own in the opening of the war against the studios, which is amazingly important to history.
► 00:19:06
But then at the same time, if you look at the beginning of her career, every single thing that she got, she got because she was fucking somebody.
► 00:19:13
She's the mistress of all these dudes.
► 00:19:14
Yeah.
► 00:19:15
And basically from 1946 to 1950, she doesn't do anything really of value in terms of show business.
► 00:19:21
Yeah.
► 00:19:22
But she's banging all these dudes, and all of them keep paying for plastic surgery for her.
► 00:19:26
Mm hmm.
► 00:19:27
So she gets like a jaw lift implant.
► 00:19:29
She gets her hairline changed through electrolysis.
► 00:19:32
She gets, it's never been really confirmed, but everyone pretty much suspects that she got rhinoplasty to change her nose at the time.
► 00:19:40
Okay.
► 00:19:41
She fixed an overbite that she had.
► 00:19:43
And basically, by 1950 and a little bit after, she's been sculpted into this mold.
► 00:19:49
They take her brown hair and dye it platinum blonde.
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She becomes an entirely different product.
► 00:19:54
I like that.
► 00:19:55
And then she changes her name.
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Like, to me, it's very, it's very, it's very, uh, Almost Shakespearean.
► 00:20:02
She changes her name to Marilyn because the dude that she was handling her at the time chose the name Marilyn, and then Monroe was her mother's maiden name.
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And so she takes that and it becomes her moniker.
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Like wrestling, we love.
► 00:20:16
Oh, man.
► 00:20:17
Cactus Jack?
► 00:20:18
Not alliteration.
► 00:20:19
What is it when it's like, be Brian Blair?
► 00:20:22
That is alliteration.
► 00:20:23
Oh, it's alliteration.
► 00:20:24
We love alliteration in wrestling.
► 00:20:25
Marilyn Monroe.
► 00:20:25
Yeah, it somehow helps your mouth say things.
► 00:20:27
Yep.
► 00:20:28
And so.
► 00:20:30
Except alliteration.
► 00:20:31
She ends up falling out of contract eventually with 20th Century Fox because nothing is going on.
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And she gets picked up by Columbia Pictures.
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She gets a little bit of success there, but not really all too much.
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But while she's there, she ends up banging around with this guy named Johnny Hyde, who is 50 years old if he's a day.
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You were very proud of yourself on that one.
► 00:20:55
That was my way of trying to cover.
► 00:20:56
I don't know if he was 50 or 53.
► 00:20:58
I'm not sure.
► 00:20:58
But they start fucking around, and he is the vice president of William Morris Agency, one of the biggest talent agencies in Los Angeles.
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He negotiates a seven year deal for her.
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With 20th Century Fox.
► 00:21:11
Mm hmm.
► 00:21:11
Mysteriously dies of a heart attack literally the next day.
► 00:21:15
Mysteriously, eh?
► 00:21:16
He's only 53 or so.
► 00:21:18
Like, it's not, you know, people lived a little bit harder back then, I guess, you know?
► 00:21:23
Uh huh.
► 00:21:24
But, yeah, 1950, he dies of a heart attack the day after negotiating a seven year, much better deal with 20th Century Fox.
► 00:21:34
Okay.
► 00:21:34
For the lady he's fucking.
► 00:21:36
Alright.
► 00:21:37
So, this leads to a resurgence in her career.
► 00:21:41
1952, she's starting to get more roles.
► 00:21:44
Better movies.
► 00:21:46
She's starting to be like actually in films as opposed to like, oh, he's in the background.
► 00:21:50
She's getting write ups and things like, oh, this is a star turn, these sort of things.
► 00:21:55
Star making performance from Mel Monroe.
► 00:21:56
Read all about it.
► 00:21:57
Hear ye.
► 00:21:59
Hear ye?
► 00:21:59
Is that it?
► 00:22:00
No.
► 00:22:00
Hear ye, hear ye.
► 00:22:01
Extra, extra.
► 00:22:02
Read all about it.
► 00:22:03
That's it.
► 00:22:03
Yeah.
► 00:22:05
So 1952, her career starting to pick up momentum, and at that point, nude pictures of her surface from her pinup days.
► 00:22:12
Yeah.
► 00:22:13
Now, this is where something I think really interesting happens in her life that will come back.
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This is the sort of thing that would have destroyed a career in 1952.
► 00:22:23
It ruined careers in the 80s and 90s.
► 00:22:25
Yeah, and even more so in the 50s.
► 00:22:27
Everyone was pretty uptight.
► 00:22:29
Sure.
► 00:22:29
So nude pictures of her come out, and instead of being apologetic.
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Even though they were tasteful nudes.
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Tasteful pin up nudes.
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And everybody kind of wants her to be apologetic about it.
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And instead, her position is I took those because I was desperately poor, and I needed to survive.
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And the public is like, oh, that makes sense.
► 00:22:48
And they start to like her more.
► 00:22:50
And it becomes this publicity stunt.
► 00:22:53
An unintentional publicity stunt, much like the Kim Kardashian sex tape.
► 00:22:57
Making lemonade and making lemonade out of lemons.
► 00:23:01
I can't say this without any certainty, but it's one of the biggest, earliest versions of this.
► 00:23:05
Taking something negative and making it work for you.
► 00:23:09
And so I think she learns a lesson from that.
► 00:23:12
Because in the near future, you get her having an interview where she talks about how she never wears underwear.
► 00:23:19
There's instances of her accidentally taking really ribald pictures.
► 00:23:25
Like fake candid shots and stuff like that.
► 00:23:29
I think that she learned about thirst trapping really early.
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Okay.
► 00:23:35
And that really served her career.
► 00:23:37
Yeah.
► 00:23:38
And it was that whole thing of there's no, all publicity is good publicity.
► 00:23:42
Uh huh.
► 00:23:43
But it wasn't.
► 00:23:43
No.
► 00:23:44
That's a very untrue statement.
► 00:23:45
Sure.
► 00:23:46
But the way she did it, I think that that, to me, in looking at the history of her career, 1952 marks the beginning of.
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A new mold.
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And it marks a new mold in the way that we treat celebrities, too.
► 00:24:00
Because, like, this thing that we should be judging her for, at least according to mores of 1950, we're now like, oh, oh, Marilyn.
► 00:24:07
Yeah.
► 00:24:07
Sorry you had to do that.
► 00:24:08
We like you.
► 00:24:09
Yeah.
► 00:24:10
Humanizing.
► 00:24:11
Unfortunately, at the same time, she was, as we mentioned, across the board seen as one of the worst people to deal with in Hollywood.
► 00:24:20
Yeah.
► 00:24:21
She would often not show up for cheats and then not know her lines.
► 00:24:25
Yep.
► 00:24:25
She'd be high on drugs.
► 00:24:26
Woo!
► 00:24:27
She'd be insistent that people do tons of takes because she just didn't feel like she'd gotten it right.
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Often her acting coaches would have to be there on set.
► 00:24:37
I recently saw something about all this.
► 00:24:40
It's nuts.
► 00:24:40
Yeah.
► 00:24:41
So she, like, basically everyone was like, fuck, she's marketable, but I hate her.
► 00:24:46
So everyone didn't like her.
► 00:24:48
She ends up marrying Joe DiMaggio for nine months.
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He becomes a creep and super jealous and starts spying on her and things like that.
► 00:24:55
They end up getting divorced.
► 00:24:57
Unfortunately, also at the time, she becomes one of the biggest celebrities in the world, but she still has the contract that she signed.
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With Johnny Hyde back years before.
► 00:25:09
So her contract sucks.
► 00:25:11
She's being forced to do these movies she doesn't want to do because that's her contract.
► 00:25:14
She's getting paid way less than she should be.
► 00:25:17
So she's not living the luxurious life that she presents.
► 00:25:21
So there's this schism between truth and lies.
► 00:25:26
And eventually she ends up marrying Arthur Miller, a playwright who's being investigated by the House Un American Activities Committee.
► 00:25:33
Everyone's afraid that she's going to get blacklisted by Hollywood because she marries or she's.
► 00:25:37
Banging around with Arthur Miller.
► 00:25:40
She tells him to fuck off.
► 00:25:41
She's like, hey, you guys are cowards.
► 00:25:43
I like this guy.
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I don't give a shit what you're saying.
► 00:25:46
I mean, cementing her badass reputation.
► 00:25:49
Absolutely.
► 00:25:50
And there's no, to me, when you start hearing some of these things, there's no mystery why she stuck around for so long and is kind of an icon of a strong woman.
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Yeah.
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Between that, I will like who I like.
► 00:26:02
Yeah.
► 00:26:03
And then on top of that, the starting her own studio.
► 00:26:06
Yeah.
► 00:26:06
Those two things are so, it's impossible to overstate.
► 00:26:11
How crazy it is that she did those things in the 50s.
► 00:26:14
Amazing.
► 00:26:16
So, anyway, the movie studio, Arthur Miller, she makes a bunch of movies.
► 00:26:20
Her studio isn't really successful because they don't really have the money to be.
► 00:26:24
So, she signs another deal that is better, more lucrative.
► 00:26:27
She starts making about $100,000 per movie with the understanding that every four movies that she makes on studio, she can make one for her own company.
► 00:26:36
Nice.
► 00:26:36
And so, you know, that gets into a thing.
► 00:26:39
She makes the gentleman prefer blonde, some like it hot.
► 00:26:42
The Seven Year Itch, all of these very critically acclaimed movies and the very successful movies.
► 00:26:49
And then.
► 00:26:51
When she makes Mama's Big Old Fat Titties.
► 00:26:53
That was her fourth one.
► 00:26:53
I'm just kidding.
► 00:26:56
She makes a ton of movies, but her star starts to lose it.
► 00:27:00
Yeah.
► 00:27:00
And her reputation as being insufferable and on drugs and all these things really starts to catch up with her.
► 00:27:05
She ends up.
► 00:27:07
Fuck, what was the.
► 00:27:08
I can't remember what the last movie she made was.
► 00:27:11
She's making.
► 00:27:16
Something's Gotta Give.
► 00:27:18
Okay.
► 00:27:18
I believe was the last movie that she made.
► 00:27:21
And it was such a disaster that she ended up getting fired from the production.
► 00:27:27
And she was making it.
► 00:27:30
And Dean Martin was co starring in this.
► 00:27:32
Yeah.
► 00:27:32
How you doing, Dan?
Robert Kennedy and Back Issues
00:15:24
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It's me, Dean Martin.
► 00:27:34
Hey, Daddy O. How you doing?
► 00:27:36
Talking about Marilyn.
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She's making this movie.
► 00:27:38
She's a pain in the ass.
► 00:27:39
She's like, get the fuck out.
► 00:27:40
Yeah.
► 00:27:41
Dean Martin is like, I don't want to make this movie with anybody else but Marilyn Monroe.
► 00:27:45
And they're like, Okay, we're suing you too.
► 00:27:47
Oh shit.
► 00:27:48
So they sue him and they decide, like, fuck, it's not even worth it.
► 00:27:51
And so they shut down production of the whole thing.
► 00:27:54
They try and get $750,000 in damages from Marilyn Monroe.
► 00:27:58
It's just a huge disaster, and it's sort of like her career is.
► 00:28:02
It's not ruined, but man, it's not good.
► 00:28:04
Okay.
► 00:28:05
So that was.
► 00:28:07
I forgot the year on that, but it's not too.
► 00:28:11
This would have been where maybe now she would have started.
► 00:28:13
She would have gotten a show on HBO or something, maybe, you know?
► 00:28:17
Maybe.
► 00:28:17
That seems even too good.
► 00:28:19
HBO is a great movie.
► 00:28:20
Netflix.
► 00:28:21
ABC.
► 00:28:22
ABC.
► 00:28:23
FX.
► 00:28:24
FXX.
► 00:28:25
Maryland.
► 00:28:26
Coming soon to FXX.
► 00:28:27
Maryland.
► 00:28:28
So that was all going on around 1962, early 1962.
► 00:28:32
All right.
► 00:28:33
Then August 5th, 1962, death.
► 00:28:36
Yeah.
► 00:28:37
She's dead.
► 00:28:38
Sorry about that, Marty.
► 00:28:39
That was a lot of info, but I feel like it sets the scene.
► 00:28:42
Let me ask you a couple questions just to start with.
► 00:28:47
Sure.
► 00:28:49
Okay.
► 00:28:51
You didn't talk about any of the JFK stuff?
► 00:28:53
No.
► 00:28:54
Okay.
► 00:28:54
There's a reason.
► 00:28:55
Why?
► 00:28:56
Because a lot of that, in my research, I've found to be incredibly overblown.
► 00:29:01
Fuck.
► 00:29:03
I don't know if this is 100%.
► 00:29:05
Okay.
► 00:29:05
Like, you know, everything could, there could be like, oh, yeah.
► 00:29:08
The, the reality is, blah, blah, blah.
► 00:29:10
But, uh, in my research, I found, uh, accounts that indicate that they didn't have an affair.
► 00:29:16
They fucked once.
► 00:29:17
Okay.
► 00:29:18
JFK really wanted to fuck her.
► 00:29:20
Yeah.
► 00:29:20
That is, that is definitely true.
► 00:29:22
Okay.
► 00:29:23
Uh, and he was our hor, he was, I don't want to say our horniest president, because I don't know that could be.
► 00:29:28
Bill's pretty strong.
► 00:29:29
No, no, I think JFK blows Bill away.
► 00:29:31
Really?
► 00:29:31
Oh, yeah.
► 00:29:32
I think JFK is our horniest.
► 00:29:34
Probably.
► 00:29:35
And he, and he like, fucked with drugs, like, But a lot of that was prescribed.
► 00:29:39
Sure, wink, wink.
► 00:29:40
It's so much easier to get prescriptions back then.
► 00:29:43
My back hurts.
► 00:29:44
Now, what about his brother?
► 00:29:46
What about RFK?
► 00:29:47
That is 100% not true.
► 00:29:49
What?
► 00:29:50
He was a real straight shooter, Bobby?
► 00:29:52
Well, here are the things that I learned that lead me to these conclusions.
► 00:29:55
Okay.
► 00:29:55
So, JFK wanted to fuck Marilyn Monroe, bam.
► 00:29:59
And in March of 1962, JFK and Marilyn Monroe were guests at Bing Crosby's house.
► 00:30:04
Hey, how you doing?
► 00:30:05
I don't know if that's a good Bing Crosby or not.
► 00:30:07
I'd take it.
► 00:30:08
Hey, how you doing?
► 00:30:09
It's me, Bing Crosby.
► 00:30:10
Before you.
► 00:30:11
Before you got to the second part of that sentence, it sounded like it was going to drift into Harry Kerry.
► 00:30:15
No, no, hey, it's me, Bing Crosby.
► 00:30:16
And then JFK's like, Eric, where's Melly?
► 00:30:18
And I really want to fuck her bad.
► 00:30:20
And he's like, hey, she's out on the back porch, Jay.
► 00:30:22
Go get her.
► 00:30:22
So there was like a, you know, in that time, celebrities often had like crazy houses and they didn't fight tons of celebrities over and whatever happens, happens.
► 00:30:32
And they all named their houses.
► 00:30:34
Word wouldn't get out.
► 00:30:35
Like it was a cooler time.
► 00:30:36
There wasn't the internet.
► 00:30:37
Nah, dude.
► 00:30:38
And so yeah, you know what they would have done to a TMZ reporter back in the day?
► 00:30:41
String them up.
► 00:30:43
They would have flayed him alive.
► 00:30:44
Sinatra would have had him in some concrete shoes.
► 00:30:48
Did Sinatra and Marilyn never?
► 00:30:50
It's very unlikely.
► 00:30:51
Go to didthefuck.com and put them in.
► 00:30:53
Is that a site?
► 00:30:54
I wish it was.
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Who knows?
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Someone's gotta make it.
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I don't know.
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Uh, so yeah, March, March of 62, she dies in August of 62.
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Okay.
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She, they hook up at his, at Ben Crosby's house.
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Okay.
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And that's pretty sure.
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Mm hmm.
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Because JFK had requested that she be there.
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God, he was probably losing his mind.
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And he'd requested through Peter Lawford, who had fucked Marilyn in the past.
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Yeah.
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Two of them were sort of a thing.
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And then Peter Lawford ended up marrying JFK's sister.
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Yeah.
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So they had this connection, and he's like, hey, can you get her over to this house?
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And so they end up staying together.
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And the reason that we can concretely assume that they had fucked was that Marilyn had a personal masseur named Ralph Roberts.
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And wow.
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Jesus to the stars, Ralph Roberts.
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How are you doing?
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Double R. Double R. Ralph Roberts.
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He uses the Rolls Royce logo on his card.
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He's a genius.
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Yeah.
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Branding.
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Good at branding.
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So he is called to Maryland's bedroom.
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Yes.
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And it's to assist JFK with some issues with his back.
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They discussed some of his back issues.
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Yeah.
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And there's no reason why he would have been called to JFK.
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JFK would be in Marilyn's bedroom.
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It's obvious they'd be fucking.
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Wait, he threw his back out fucking Marilyn Monroe?
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Oh, he just had back issues in general, but yes.
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Yeah, I love it.
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That's what I take away from it.
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Damn, girl.
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So later in an interview, Ralph Roberts, uh, this is the quote that he gave.
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Um, Marilyn told me that night in March was the only time of their affair with JFK.
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Of course, she was titillated beyond belief because for a year he'd been trying to fuck her.
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Uh, that's, I, I, that's paraphrasing now.
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Sure.
► 00:32:24
I said it was a quote and then I put fucking in it.
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He wanted to bust them guts, as he said.
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He'd been trying through Peter Lawford to have an evening with her.
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A great many people thought after that weekend that there was more to it, but Marilyn gave me the impression it was not a major event for either of them.
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It happened once that weekend, and that was that.
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Okay.
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And he was, beyond just being a masseur, he was a friend and a confidant of hers.
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I take that to be more factual than a lot of speculation.
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I like that.
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At the same time, who knows?
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A lot of my friends don't know all the stuff I get into.
► 00:32:59
Oh, I know everything you get into.
► 00:33:01
You don't know a lot of it.
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But.
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There are gaps.
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So it's possible that she saw him more, but who knows?
► 00:33:08
Yeah.
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The time when she sang Happy Birthday, Mr. President, at Kennedy's 45th birthday party was after that, which is interesting.
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Oh, shit.
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The whole public did not know that they had fucked, and then there was.
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So now, the secondary question about Robert Kennedy that's where things become a little bit more clear to me.
► 00:33:30
Yeah.
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That's where I feel like.
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We start getting into some scandalous stuff.
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I don't think so at all, actually.
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Well, but from my point of view, from the uninitiated.
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Yeah.
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If you believe that she fucked both of them.
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I'm going to go one step further.
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Okay.
► 00:33:44
I heard she fucked Castro.
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She fucked Castro for sure.
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I heard she fucked Fidel Castro.
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I remember talking about Ariel Castro.
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No, no, no.
► 00:33:51
I heard she fucked Fidel Castro.
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I didn't.
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And that was when the Kennedys were like, I think we got to get rid of her.
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Wow.
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That's the theory you're proffering?
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I'm just saying that's one of the ones I've heard.
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That's a bad one.
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Well, I don't know if she.
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That's what I.
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This ex. FBI or CIA guy said on his deathbed.
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Seriously?
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Yeah.
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Seriously?
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Yeah.
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That's something that a CIA guy, some government spook, said on his deathbed.
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She fucked Castro, so Kennedy was like, that's it.
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Gotta get rid of her.
► 00:34:22
Wow.
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She knows too much.
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I think that is, without being insulting, the worst conspiracy that I've heard in this episode.
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If you go down certain wormholes of the internet with Meryl Monroe, you would think.
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They're fucking in the White House.
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Right.
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You would also think that Jackie O is just like, well, you know, he's got a bit of a sweet tooth.
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She's fine farming out her dick.
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Yeah.
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And there was just that whole notion of, hey, brother, I'm going to give this a shop share, brother, and they're passing her back and forth.
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That's 100% inaccurate.
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That's a sexy one, though.
► 00:34:57
It is sexy, but then what about Ted?
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Huh?
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What about him?
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What about Ted Kennedy?
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He doesn't get a taste.
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He's busy killing girls at Chappaquiddick.
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That was later.
► 00:35:05
That is fact.
► 00:35:06
Anyways, that one's fast.
► 00:35:08
Uh, that we don't have to do.
► 00:35:09
That's what they want you to think.
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That's on, that's what they want you to know because it's happening.
► 00:35:13
He was just drunk, right?
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Drunk and drove off the bridge or something.
► 00:35:15
Yeah, he was a party boy.
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He was drunk, drunk, drove off.
► 00:35:17
Oh, no, no, well, no, see, something might, something may say.
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Uh oh.
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It was actual murder.
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Could be.
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So, uh.
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Maybe it's not a clear-cut case after all.
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The reason that people think that Marilyn and Robert Kennedy fucked was that she appears on his calendar, uh, meeting four times.
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Uh, there's four concrete examples of the two of them meeting.
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Uh, but all of these instances are very easily Explainable.
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They were basically.
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Marilyn Monroe was deeply involved in a firm supporter of the civil rights movement.
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And she and Robert Kennedy were working together in terms of how can I help, how can we help each other with this cause.
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Most of the instances of them ever being together were in the company of other people, and anybody who was around them never were like, ooh, they, something going on there.
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Okay, okay.
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Also, Robert Kennedy was notoriously loyal to his brother.
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Yeah.
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Especially John, Ted, a little bit.
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John, John.
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Him and Jack, he hero worshiped Jack growing up.
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Okay.
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And there's no way that he would have, like, I've been like, hey, you're going to get a taste of this?
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See, I felt it was Roberts to get a taste of.
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What do you mean by that?
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That she was more Roberts girl, and JFK was like, let me get a taste.
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See, now that's interesting, but also way wrong.
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Okay, okay, okay, this is great.
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I'm glad you're teaching me this.
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I need to know this stuff.
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The thing about it is, I always assumed it was true, too, but if you look at facts, there's not really a lot of.
► 00:36:47
All the stuff about, like, JFK fucking Marilyn Monroe, it's fan fiction stuff.
► 00:36:52
And this goes back to you saying a lot of these authors, after a while, they went, nah, I just made that up.
► 00:36:55
Well, it's like, hey, I heard some guy say it in a bathroom.
► 00:36:58
And that was especially back in the times where I think you wrote that book.
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You got a little heat.
► 00:37:04
Oh, yeah.
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But you sold a lot of books.
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You sold a lot of books, and then you get the heat later.
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And by then, maybe they don't even remember your name.
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They just remember, hey, that guy who wrote that book's an asshole.
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And by then, you've already written another book.
► 00:37:14
And if you say something enough times, it kind of becomes true.
► 00:37:18
Case in point, this.
► 00:37:19
Yeah.
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Like, I had always assumed it was 100% true.
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Look when we were doing the research for the Black Dahlia.
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Yep.
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And I kept, oh, heard this.
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That's not true.
► 00:37:26
Heard this?
► 00:37:26
Nope.
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It's proven wrong.
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And it's just a tiny bit of digging you have to do to be like, well, this does not, it doesn't pass muster.
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Yeah.
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The thing that really nailed it for me, though, about RFK not banging around with Marilyn Monroe or anybody, I think, is that he and his wife had 11 kids.
► 00:37:47
Yeah, they seemed pretty Catholic to the fucking.
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They were fucking all the time.
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He had so many kids.
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11 kids is crazy.
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And the last one.
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Why aren't they fucking all the time?
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They might have only fucked 11 times.
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I don't believe that.
► 00:38:01
There's no way.
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But I think, okay.
► 00:38:03
You can't have 100% batting average with your jizz.
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You know what I'm saying?
► 00:38:07
Tell that to.
► 00:38:08
I don't know.
► 00:38:09
I don't know who.
► 00:38:10
But the last child, Robert Kennedy's last child, was born months after he died.
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So, like, the whole time period that they were together and alive, they had a good marriage, it seems.
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Not just based on that, but all the reports where he and his wife were simpatico.
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I guess it also just makes me seem like.
► 00:38:29
Well, I mean, yeah, I'm thinking about, like, my brother and I are different.
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Like, we're not the same because we're brothers.
► 00:38:34
Sure.
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So I can see that being the case where one brother's like, I gotta fuck this girl.
► 00:38:38
I'm like, you're the president.
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I don't care.
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I gotta fuck this girl.
► 00:38:40
Versus, like, I'm a family man.
► 00:38:41
Jack loved to fuck.
► 00:38:43
Yeah.
► 00:38:43
Robert Kennedy was a social warrior.
► 00:38:45
Yeah.
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Kind of.
► 00:38:46
Yeah.
► 00:38:46
And Ted Kennedy was a party boy.
► 00:38:48
Yeah.
► 00:38:48
So, like, the three of them were very different in terms of their sort of defining qualities.
► 00:38:52
Yeah.
► 00:38:53
Even though Jack did also do a lot for social causes and all that.
► 00:38:58
So, that to me, almost any of these theories that have the Kennedys involved, I think, fall apart a little bit.
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Because they are based on us overplaying what the Kennedys' relationship with her was.
► 00:39:13
Okay.
► 00:39:14
I. Would you murder a girl who you fucked once?
► 00:39:17
That's a strange question.
► 00:39:19
Let me think of some girls I've only fucked once if I would have murdered them.
► 00:39:21
No.
► 00:39:22
If you're the president and you're worried about it getting out or something like that, that's not worth murder.
► 00:39:26
I think.
► 00:39:27
Well, see, I disagree there because I think people have been murdered for a lot less.
► 00:39:31
Well, that's definitely true.
► 00:39:32
For presidents.
► 00:39:33
Maybe.
► 00:39:33
Or future presidents.
► 00:39:34
Oh, boy.
► 00:39:35
Vince Foster.
► 00:39:36
Oh, boy.
► 00:39:37
That's also not going to be an episode.
► 00:39:40
No, but.
► 00:39:42
I think that I honestly think people have been killed for less.
► 00:39:46
Sure, sure.
► 00:39:47
To me, it seems like that would have been an overplaying of a hand.
► 00:39:52
Okay.
► 00:39:53
But that's just coming from me.
► 00:39:54
I don't know.
► 00:39:55
And that's fine.
► 00:39:56
But I pose this question to you.
► 00:39:57
I'd love to hear this.
► 00:39:58
If not the Kennedys, then who?
► 00:40:01
Who the fuck killed her?
► 00:40:02
So, also, okay.
► 00:40:04
Go ahead.
► 00:40:04
No, no, no.
► 00:40:04
I want to hear your second question.
► 00:40:06
Do you think that there was anything in your research?
► 00:40:09
Do you think there was anything suspicious in the way she was found or what caused her death?
► 00:40:15
Yes.
► 00:40:15
Okay.
► 00:40:16
I think there is some suspiciousness, and let's get to it.
► 00:40:19
Thank you.
► 00:40:20
Uh, so, here are the facts on the ground.
► 00:40:22
Yes.
► 00:40:23
Uh, August 5th, 1962.
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We'll set the scene.
► 00:40:28
There are three people, four if you count her publicist, who ends up leaving in the middle of the day, so she's not really all that, not taking in too much consideration.
► 00:40:36
And then if you actually do that, there's only two people, who play really relevant factors in the day Marilyn dies.
► 00:40:43
So in the morning, Lawrence Schiller, who's a photographer, comes over.
► 00:40:47
And the two of them have a discussion because he wants to publish nudes of her in Playboy.
► 00:40:52
And I think from everything I could gather, she was amenable to the idea.
► 00:40:56
The process was more negotiation.
► 00:40:58
And so she was probably going to have some nudes come out.
► 00:41:00
They want to do new nudes.
► 00:41:02
Yes.
► 00:41:02
Okay.
► 00:41:02
Because Hugh Hefner bought the old nudes.
► 00:41:04
Uh huh.
► 00:41:05
So they were going to publish new nudes that were taken on set of the last movie that she'd done.
► 00:41:10
Okay.
► 00:41:10
Because there was a big scene in that movie where she swims naked.
► 00:41:13
Yeah.
► 00:41:13
And so they had taken some photos.
► 00:41:15
He was on set and they'd taken some photos.
► 00:41:16
And I think it was just a thing where it might have even been working out rights.
► 00:41:21
Because, like, does the studio own these?
► 00:41:22
Or, you know.
► 00:41:24
But from all accounts, it was a productive and non contentious meeting, and he ends up leaving in the middle of the day.
► 00:41:30
At that point, Eunice Murray is her housekeeper.
► 00:41:34
She was there.
► 00:41:36
A little bit older lady.
► 00:41:38
Also, Dr. Ralph Greenson is a psychiatrist, and he makes a house call at 4 30 in the afternoon.
► 00:41:45
He comes over to discuss some therapy, they do a session, and he ends up leaving before 7 o'clock.
► 00:41:54
We know this for sure.
► 00:41:56
Okay.
► 00:41:57
So, at 7 p.m., she makes a call to Joe DiMaggio Jr.
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Pardon me, he calls her.
► 00:42:03
All right.
► 00:42:03
The two of them have a relationship still, even though she had divorced his dad.
► 00:42:08
The two of them are still tight.
► 00:42:10
He has quoted, he's gone on record saying that she wasn't weird at all.
► 00:42:15
Okay.
► 00:42:15
He had a conversation with her about how he had left this woman that Marilyn didn't like.
► 00:42:21
Seems like a little bit of a codependent relationship, considering her dad and.
► 00:42:26
Excuse me.
► 00:42:27
The divorce had happened years ago.
► 00:42:29
So it seems very weird.
► 00:42:31
But yeah, she was cool.
► 00:42:32
It was fine.
► 00:42:33
Nothing weird.
► 00:42:34
After that, she calls Greenson, the doctor who had left.
► 00:42:37
And this is about 7 45.
► 00:42:39
He has a conversation with her.
► 00:42:41
She's excited that Joe Jr. had left the woman.
► 00:42:44
Everything seems on the level.
► 00:42:47
At about 8 o'clock, Peter Lawford, the guy who's married to JFK's sister and probably had something to do with the two of them fucking.
► 00:42:55
But they're good friends, too.
► 00:42:56
He and Marilyn are good friends.
Conversations About Suicide
00:08:49
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I remember that.
► 00:42:58
Sinatra HBO movie, they kind of make him out to be a little bit of a bozo.
► 00:43:02
A bozo?
► 00:43:03
A little bit of a like, oh, what can I do for you guys?
► 00:43:05
I just want to be cool with you guys, yeah.
► 00:43:07
I'm sure there were a lot of people like that with the Rad Pat.
► 00:43:10
Sinatra, JFK, all them.
► 00:43:12
So he calls at 8 o'clock to invite her to a party he's throwing that night.
► 00:43:19
And she, according to him, sounds fucked up.
► 00:43:23
She sounds fucked up.
► 00:43:24
Yes.
► 00:43:24
Okay.
► 00:43:25
He says that she's like slurring and sounds completely out of it.
► 00:43:28
Okay.
► 00:43:29
And on the phone call, she says, say goodbye to Pat.
► 00:43:32
That's his wife.
► 00:43:33
Okay.
► 00:43:33
And then, hey, goodbye to you.
► 00:43:35
Say goodbye to the president.
► 00:43:36
Goodbye to everybody.
► 00:43:37
Whoa.
► 00:43:38
And then she fades out.
► 00:43:39
Okay.
► 00:43:40
And he tries to call back.
► 00:43:42
He's unsuccessful in getting a hold of her again.
► 00:43:44
He alerts some people and they end up.
► 00:43:48
Actually, he doesn't alert anybody.
► 00:43:50
That's not how this plays out.
► 00:43:52
He's just sort of weirded out.
► 00:43:53
But also, she has a history of doing drugs, tons of drugs.
► 00:43:57
How many times have you called someone and they're fucked up and you're like, well, they're having a night of it?
► 00:44:02
It's happened.
► 00:44:02
It's happened with friends a lot.
► 00:44:03
Sure.
► 00:44:04
So at about 3 in the morning, the housekeeper, Eunice Murray, is like, hey, something's weird.
► 00:44:12
Her light's on, but her door is locked.
► 00:44:14
I thought she was in the back house.
► 00:44:16
She was in her room.
► 00:44:17
Okay.
► 00:44:18
Yeah.
► 00:44:18
It might be in the back of the house.
► 00:44:20
I thought she was in a back house.
► 00:44:21
Okay.
► 00:44:22
She's in her bedroom.
► 00:44:23
All right.
► 00:44:23
And so she tries to, the housekeeper tries to get her to answer the door.
► 00:44:28
Like, why is your light on?
► 00:44:29
What's going on?
► 00:44:29
Is everything okay?
► 00:44:30
She's unresponsive.
► 00:44:31
So she calls Dr. Greenson.
► 00:44:34
And he comes over, knocks the door down.
► 00:44:36
They always have a therapist or a doc.
► 00:44:38
It's always very weird.
► 00:44:39
There's also speculation that she and Dr. Greenson were fucking.
► 00:44:42
Sure.
► 00:44:43
But that's the speculation with everything in her life.
► 00:44:46
But also with like, I mean, you had like Michael Jackson, you know, like Brian Wilson, all these like, Successful people have these like doctors.
► 00:44:53
You got to make friends with the doctor because that's how you get the beans.
► 00:44:55
Dr. Feel Good.
► 00:44:56
That's right.
► 00:44:58
So he comes over, knocks down the door, finds her dead, and they call in paramedics and what have you.
► 00:45:03
She's dead.
► 00:45:04
She's nude.
► 00:45:05
There's pill bottles near her bed and no glass of water.
► 00:45:08
That's what you brought up.
► 00:45:09
That I agree is very weird.
► 00:45:13
She's found naked.
► 00:45:16
And yeah, no glass of water to me is very strange because if you're taking a ton of pills, you can't do that without water.
► 00:45:21
Also, her door is locked.
► 00:45:23
Her window is closed.
► 00:45:24
I have seen.
► 00:45:27
Might have been Hulk Hogan in that AE did a bio documentary on him a little while back.
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And I think he takes all his pills and puts them in a coffee mug and just takes it.
► 00:45:38
I've seen some people doing that.
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Yeah.
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I think it's hard.
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And that's 80s or so.
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This is 50s, back when pills didn't have gel caps and stuff like that.
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That's true.
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It would all be chalky pills.
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Oh, yeah.
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No, this was even more current time with Hogan.
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Yeah.
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So, like.
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The idea of 1950s pills, it would be tough.
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Or she does what I do and just puts them up her butt.
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Interesting you bring that up.
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I know.
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Because whenever they took her to the hospital and did a report on her, they found that she had recently had an enema, which is fodder for almost all of these conspiracy theories.
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Oh, yeah.
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Because she was found also on her stomach.
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Face down, ass up.
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That's the way we like to murder people.
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We like to give barbiturate enemas.
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That's the CIA's old theme song.
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Face down, ass up.
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That's That's the way we like to give Barbage a win and a Mos, and then they die.
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It's a little clunky.
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I would have had two live crew come in and put them in.
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Took them a couple decades to figure it out.
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So, yeah, he comes and he finds her dead.
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They go through the rigmarole.
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Suicide's declared, which makes sense.
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Yeah.
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One of the reports that I read of speculation that her intestinal tract or the route from the mouth to the stomach was clean of the barbiturates that ended up killing her, as were her stomach.
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And that leads people to believe that anally would have been the only way she could have taken it in.
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Which is possible, but in the time that I had to do the research, I could not verify that as truth or not.
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I have to eliminate the there's no drugs in her esophagus or whatever.
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I have to take that off the table because I couldn't find any medical report.
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Okay.
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Any primary source.
► 00:47:23
So, what is your Dan Friesen conspiracy theory brain telling you right now?
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My conspiracy theory brain is telling me that a lot of people are making up a lot of stuff.
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Sure.
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So immediately, my brain is telling me you got to be on guard here.
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You got to be careful.
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Yeah.
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Because this could just be somebody who was careless with drugs.
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Right.
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And her history of drug use indicates someone who would definitely accidentally overdose.
► 00:47:51
I want to say that I've heard somewhere audio of her, and she sounded very fucked up.
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It's Anna Nicole Smithy.
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Yeah.
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In the level of, like, oh, you're not yourself.
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Yeah.
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Well, here's something that I would think.
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Now, this is also not based on any evidence except for what I've already presented.
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She is a drug addict.
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She loves downers.
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Mm hmm.
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She had a.
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Much like.
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You know what?
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Me and Marilyn Monroe have a few things in common.
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What do you got?
► 00:48:21
Spent time in Van Nuys, California.
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Yes.
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I was born there.
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She went to high school there.
► 00:48:24
Yes.
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Love downers.
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Yes.
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Have trouble sleeping.
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She had a lot of insomnia issues.
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They always do.
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Mm hmm.
► 00:48:31
That's what leads to the.
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Took tasteful nudes to make ends meet.
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Of course.
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I took some boudoir shots.
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So, my theory, and I'm not married to this.
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Okay.
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But a way that suicide makes sense is Joe DiMaggio Jr. calls her.
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She's so excited that he's left this girl.
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Okay.
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That she takes some drugs to celebrate.
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Okay.
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It's possible.
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Okay.
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It's possible.
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Alright.
► 00:48:58
So she takes the drugs, and then she's still sort of fine when she talks to Greenson, like half an hour later.
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Alright.
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But another half hour after that, when Peter Lawford calls to invite her to the party, the drugs have kicked in.
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She's pretty loopy.
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I know that sometimes when I've taken downers, I've fucking said things I don't remember and I didn't mean.
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Like one time, I thought I was gonna die.
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I legit thought I was going to die.
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I don't remember this, but I texted a couple of my friends.
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Oh, I heard about this.
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I don't think you did.
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I don't think I've ever talked about this.
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Oh, really?
► 00:49:27
This was back in Missouri.
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I texted some of my friends and told them how much I loved them, and it was really over the top.
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Yeah.
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And then I woke up the next day and I had texts from them, and they're like, hey, love you too, man.
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Are you okay?
► 00:49:39
And I was like, oh, dudes, I thought I was going to die.
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So you were living in that house?
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It wasn't a house.
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Like the drug house where we came to hang out?
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Oh, no, no.
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This was probably just the year before I moved to Chicago.
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This was like 07.
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Okay.
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That sound right, 07?
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I don't know.
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Yeah, that's about right.
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Maybe, maybe, maybe.
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So, I mean, what?
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Oh, wait.
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Do you think this is.
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I'm saying that's a possible way that suicide works in the world.
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Suicide or accidental death.
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Accidental death.
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Okay.
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Which I would rule.
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I think that anybody.
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I think suicide's off the table.
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I think that the category of suicide.
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Now, this is a controversial opinion, and I don't mean to offend any drug addicts.
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I think when people accidentally overdose, that's a passive suicide.
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Because I believe that when you're doing tons of drugs.
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You are kind of trying to kill yourself.
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I know, and maybe I'm projecting, but if I got really drunk and died, like if I died of alcohol poisoning, you can chalk that one up as suicide.
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Like you just kept going, knowing the repercussions.
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Well, every night that I go out and I end up drinking a whole lot, I'm playing with fire.
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I know that.
► 00:50:45
And fireball.
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Mm hmm.
► 00:50:47
You shouldn't have said that so quietly.
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And fireball.
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All right.
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So I think that suicide and accidental death are kind of bundled together for me.
► 00:50:56
In this case with Marilyn Monroe, I add to the fact that she had constantly been talking to people about suicide.
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Oh, okay.
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She was very depressed.
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She had a history of, like, if you listen to Arthur Miller talk about their marriage, it's abundantly clear that she's at least bipolar.
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Yeah.
► 00:51:12
She had very serious mental issues, and I don't think that, like, I really sincerely don't think that suicide is off the table.
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So is it just one of those things, again, where we as a society just can't accept the fact that she just.
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Took too many drugs and died?
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I think that's part of it.
► 00:51:32
Like, we have to keep that narrative going of like, no, it can't be.
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So now, yes, I think that's true.
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But then also the JFK stuff is, is like, uh, in the Iliad, the siren song, drawing people to the rocky cliffs of idiocy.
Gallows Humor at the Morgue
00:15:28
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Yeah.
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Like I really think that a lot of people take the JFK and RFK stuff and they're like, well, because of that, they got the mob to kill her, or, you know, there's all, like, almost every conspiracy I read about this has to do with either the Teamsters, has to do with the mob, has to do with the CIA, all of them killing her because of JFK.
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Okay.
► 00:52:08
And to me, that doesn't pass the smell test digging into it a little bit.
► 00:52:12
Okay.
► 00:52:13
I'm not the world's foremost researcher, but the little that I've done and the things that I've learned in preparation for this, that doesn't make sense.
► 00:52:21
Yeah.
► 00:52:21
Now, here's one that does.
► 00:52:22
I love it.
► 00:52:23
Okay.
► 00:52:23
Can I just real quick ask you a question?
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Yes.
► 00:52:25
Did you come across anything about a morgue employee having sex with her body?
► 00:52:32
No, but there's the great joke.
► 00:52:36
I got it up right now on my phone.
► 00:52:37
What is it?
► 00:52:38
Danny Callis, friend of the show.
► 00:52:40
Uh huh.
► 00:52:41
He wrote allegedly more, is a tweet, allegedly it's pinned on his page at Danny Callis.
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He's not dumpster butter anymore.
► 00:52:47
No, he's not dumpster butter.
► 00:52:49
Allegedly, morgue employees had sex with the dead body of Marilyn Monroe.
► 00:52:53
Boy, talk about handling someone at their worst.
► 00:52:56
Yeah, that's fun.
► 00:52:57
That's pretty great.
► 00:52:58
What were you going to say?
► 00:53:00
No, there's a classic joke that's like, who's the last person to have sex with Marilyn Monroe?
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Dr. Taguchi or whatever.
► 00:53:07
I can't remember what his name is, but there's a guy who has an Asian last name who's the county coroner of LA.
► 00:53:14
Okay.
► 00:53:14
And so it's like, he.
► 00:53:19
I'm doing a bunch of weird gestures here.
► 00:53:20
You're not quite sure how you want to say this.
► 00:53:22
I want everyone to understand take this with a grain of salt.
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Okay.
► 00:53:27
I think at least a lot of dead bodies are groped.
► 00:53:31
Yeah.
► 00:53:32
Oh, for sure, for sure.
► 00:53:34
I don't think that's good.
► 00:53:35
Those boobs were squeezed.
► 00:53:36
I am not comfortable with the fact that I think a lot of people who handle dead bodies probably don't follow code.
► 00:53:45
Could we say it's not unlike pedophiles joining the priesthood knowing what they're getting into?
► 00:53:52
Maybe.
► 00:53:52
Like, you mean I can be around these bodies?
► 00:53:55
Yeah, I think- I can grab, I can squeeze boobs whenever I want.
► 00:53:58
I think that there may be something to that.
► 00:54:00
And, you know, uh, now I'm projecting again.
► 00:54:04
If I were dead, I wouldn't care if someone did that to me.
► 00:54:06
But like, a grab, if you're grabbing a tit, grabbing a tit, that's not gonna leave any, like, ligature marks or anything like that.
► 00:54:12
No.
► 00:54:13
That's the perfect crime.
► 00:54:16
It's not.
► 00:54:16
But like- I do, I do feel like, uh, yeah.
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I don't know.
► 00:54:21
I would say- I mean, I know we're silly.
► 00:54:24
A little.
► 00:54:25
And maybe, maybe it gets drilled into you like, look, you have to respect these bodies.
► 00:54:32
Like, you can't be goofy and being like, check out the tits on this one.
► 00:54:35
You know what I mean?
► 00:54:35
I bet there is that gallows humor.
► 00:54:37
That's what I'm thinking.
► 00:54:38
There might be some gallows humor.
► 00:54:40
But fucking a dead body is a gallows humor.
► 00:54:42
But also, there might be, look, I'm not going to not grab Marilyn Monroe's poops.
► 00:54:47
Yeah.
► 00:54:49
You know what I mean?
► 00:54:49
Like, stuff like that.
► 00:54:50
I don't know what I would do in that position.
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Or just.
► 00:54:52
I mean, I wouldn't fuck the dead body.
► 00:54:54
I'll tell you that 100%.
► 00:54:55
Right.
► 00:54:56
But would I.
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I don't know.
► 00:54:58
Or would you just be like, I hope I never know the answer to that question.
► 00:55:01
Or would it be like, hey, Dan, you know, we got Marilyn Monroe down, down, down in the basement.
► 00:55:06
Uh huh.
► 00:55:06
You wanna, you wanna see her naked?
► 00:55:08
See, that's so hard.
► 00:55:08
That's, I know that my morals and my ethics say absolutely not.
► 00:55:13
Yeah.
► 00:55:14
But on paper, I don't know, man.
► 00:55:15
I don't, in reality, I don't know.
► 00:55:18
What would you do?
► 00:55:18
You'd go.
► 00:55:20
Would I what?
► 00:55:20
You'd go.
► 00:55:21
You'd look at the dead body.
► 00:55:22
I mean, I'd wanna, yeah, I probably would, I would be like, well, if this is for history.
► 00:55:27
Let's take it, let's take it back.
► 00:55:28
I could tell my grandchildren about this.
► 00:55:29
Let's take it back and make it, Hopefully, I don't want to be morbid, but let's say Beyonce died and you had an opportunity to see her naked.
► 00:55:35
Okay.
► 00:55:35
Because we can make it more current.
► 00:55:37
Because the Maryland Rose is such an abstraction.
► 00:55:39
Sure.
► 00:55:40
If I'm working at a hospital.
► 00:55:42
No.
► 00:55:42
Take it away.
► 00:55:43
Let's say you're a comedian on tour.
► 00:55:45
Okay.
► 00:55:45
Somehow you meet a guy who works at a morgue.
► 00:55:47
Okay.
► 00:55:48
You visit him at work.
► 00:55:49
Sure.
► 00:55:49
And he's like, hey, you want to see Beyonce?
► 00:55:51
See, that's different.
► 00:55:52
That's like, if I worked there and it would be.
► 00:55:57
Fine.
► 00:55:57
Let's say you work there.
► 00:55:58
All right.
► 00:55:59
Let's say comedy never worked out in a different world than doing hearing tests at Northwestern Hospital.
► 00:56:05
You stumble onto a gig at a morgue.
► 00:56:08
And then someone goes, Hey, we got Beyonce.
► 00:56:11
Beyonce's on tour in Chicago.
► 00:56:12
She collapses on stage, passes away tragically.
► 00:56:14
Maybe a CIA hit.
► 00:56:16
We'll see.
► 00:56:17
Now I need it now.
► 00:56:19
For history's sake, I need to get down there.
► 00:56:22
We've turned it into a moral obligation for you to see her naked now.
► 00:56:25
I mean, just for this podcast alone, I have to go down there and see it.
► 00:56:28
Well, you're not going to do this podcast in that version of reality.
► 00:56:31
Or what if you do?
► 00:56:33
What if, even though you went down that path, somehow you and I end up meeting and doing this podcast?
► 00:56:37
I know.
► 00:56:38
That's what they want you to see.
► 00:56:39
You'd be wearing a different shirt.
► 00:56:41
Yes.
► 00:56:42
Uh, so I think, I think, uh, I don't know, man.
► 00:56:46
I don't know if I want to go see a dead body.
► 00:56:47
I don't know.
► 00:56:48
Like, I like what I like.
► 00:56:50
I mean, I, I'm, I'm, no, no, no, no.
► 00:56:52
I meant to say, like, I like going to, like, the Museum of Death and I'm fascinated by stuff.
► 00:56:56
I have morbid curiosities, but now we're starting to be like, this is a per, this was a person.
► 00:57:02
Yeah.
► 00:57:03
You know, that to me is like, I don't know.
► 00:57:06
That's why I'm saying my ethics and morals are against it because even if you're a, If you're dead, I still think you have some dignity.
► 00:57:11
Right.
► 00:57:12
Like, I also feel like you deserve some dignity.
► 00:57:15
I remember growing up, someone's mom worked at a hospital, and they were like, you know, the whole story's about, like, oh, yeah, they got something stuck up their butt or this or that.
► 00:57:26
And it's just like, do we not value HIPAA at all?
► 00:57:30
Yeah, you took an oath.
► 00:57:31
That's where I'm starting to think about, like, look, you took an oath.
► 00:57:34
I'm a comedian.
► 00:57:35
All right.
► 00:57:36
I don't live by man's laws, you know?
► 00:57:41
But I do sort of feel like I would feel like a real creep.
► 00:57:43
Like, By the way, it's Thomas Noguchi.
► 00:57:45
Yes.
► 00:57:46
That's his name.
► 00:57:47
Who's the last guy?
► 00:57:47
If you want to tell that joke at work tomorrow, who's the last guy who had sex at the middle of the road?
► 00:57:51
Thomas Noguchi.
► 00:57:51
Thomas Noguchi.
► 00:57:53
I go, oh, was he married to her?
► 00:57:54
What were they dating?
► 00:57:55
Wink.
► 00:57:56
That's the big street joke.
► 00:57:58
Yeah.
► 00:57:58
So, to get off the whether we would look at her naked, which I think we're both in the middle on, let's say.
► 00:58:05
Okay, that's in the middle.
► 00:58:06
So, here's my theory.
► 00:58:08
Just the boobs.
► 00:58:09
That I. Not the puss?
► 00:58:11
I don't want to see a dead puss.
► 00:58:13
What if?
► 00:58:14
What if?
► 00:58:15
Now, hear me out.
► 00:58:16
No, boy, this podcast is derailed.
► 00:58:18
So, this guy is like, hey, you want to see Marilyn Monroe's dead body?
► 00:58:21
Yeah.
► 00:58:22
So, you go in, you see the tits.
► 00:58:23
Yeah.
► 00:58:24
And you're like, those are nice tits.
► 00:58:25
I don't want to see them.
► 00:58:25
And he takes it a little bit lower.
► 00:58:27
Dick.
► 00:58:29
And we realize that all of these dudes who had been giving her all this plastic surgery gave her a lot more plastic surgery.
► 00:58:38
I don't know what this serves to accomplish.
► 00:58:39
What the fuck are you talking about?
► 00:58:40
So, here's.
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Let's get away from that.
► 00:58:42
All right.
► 00:58:42
So, here's my theory that I read.
► 00:58:45
I found a theory.
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That I thought was plausible in terms of a conspiracy.
► 00:58:51
It's speculated that she was fucking her doctor, Dr. Greenson.
► 00:58:55
Yes.
► 00:58:56
And it is definitely known or very reasonably assumed that she.
► 00:59:03
Because people had talked about this.
► 00:59:04
She talked about this in her life, even.
► 00:59:05
She had a book, like a diary, that included a lot of information about people that could not get out.
► 00:59:11
Fidel Castro.
► 00:59:12
Maybe.
► 00:59:13
At least that night at Bing Crosby's house.
► 00:59:15
Hey, Bing, it's me, Fidel Castro.
► 00:59:17
What if he was there?
► 00:59:18
What did you get this dip?
► 00:59:19
It's amazing.
► 00:59:21
That double R had to give him a massage.
► 00:59:23
Yes.
► 00:59:24
Throughout his back, fucking that puss.
► 00:59:25
Yes.
► 00:59:26
So, you know, it's theorized that he was in that book.
► 00:59:30
The doctor was in the book.
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Because they may have had an affair.
► 00:59:34
So, taking into account that she learned through her life that you can take these possible negative things and make them huge PR stunts, much like her nude pictures in 1952.
► 00:59:50
Now, a decade later, I think it's reasonable that with her career waning as it was, she may have tried to fake a suicide attempt.
► 00:59:59
Oh, like a cry for help?
► 01:00:01
No.
► 01:00:01
A publicity stunt.
► 01:00:02
Oh, okay.
► 01:00:03
Because.
► 01:00:04
Part of the reason that her career was failing is no one pitied her anymore.
► 01:00:08
Ah.
► 01:00:08
No one felt.
► 01:00:09
And then going back to what worked before.
► 01:00:10
Right.
► 01:00:11
No one felt a great sense of empathy.
► 01:00:13
Now, again, much like those dudes who wrote that book, all the books, this is based on pure conjecture, and I'm just right.
► 01:00:20
I'm fantasy booking a timeline possibility.
► 01:00:22
I love that term.
► 01:00:23
It's great.
► 01:00:24
I have headcanon.
► 01:00:25
I'm using like weird wrestling blog terms.
► 01:00:28
But, um, so she tries to fake a suicide attempt.
► 01:00:34
The best way to do that would be to actually try and commit suicide, taking a bunch of pills.
► 01:00:40
Yeah.
► 01:00:40
And then planning it so your doctor would find you, knowing that you could have your stomach pumped, everything would be okay.
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So you'd have to have the doctor in on it.
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Okay.
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So my speculation is she tries to fake a suicide attempt.
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Dr. Greenson, I thought it was going to be a green bomb.
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Yeah.
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Dr. Greenson is in on it.
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Okay.
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But because he knows that he's in that book, double crossed her.
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He does not resuscitate her and allows her overdose to happen so he can take the book.
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And make sure that that information never becomes public, all of the affairs that she's had.
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Wow.
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Yeah.
► 01:01:13
That theory, I think, is possible.
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Okay.
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Because it's the simplest to execute.
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It fits the psychological profile of Marilyn Monroe.
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Yeah.
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And I don't really know too much about Greenson.
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Like, I don't know what his character is like as a dude.
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But he's married.
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He definitely doesn't want that to get out.
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If he's found that he's fucking Marilyn Monroe, his practice is gone.
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Yeah.
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Because that's a clear breach of patient, doctor, don't fuck each other.
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Yeah.
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But also, I think it's kind of like, do you want to be the guy who's.
► 01:01:42
Client dies.
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I think that it's easy to play that off.
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I think many doctors have many doctors or many clients who die.
► 01:01:50
Yeah.
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Some mental illness is too difficult to overcome.
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That's just a part of life.
► 01:01:54
There definitely is a thing with these celebrity doctors that they become very much the Metallica documentary is some kind of mockster.
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I'm going to have to be with you guys 24 hours a day.
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I'm on the road with you guys.
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I'm on the road with you guys now.
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This is going to have to happen.
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Or Michael Jackson's doctor where it's just like, and then it becomes.
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It's like you can't survive without me around.
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Yeah.
► 01:02:13
There's a codependency and like a.
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A control that comes.
► 01:02:17
Absolutely.
► 01:02:18
So, the instance of that is like Marilyn Monroe knows PR stunts work to gain empathy and pity from audiences, and that could revitalize her career.
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This guy is a controlling doctor.
► 01:02:29
He's definitely controlling.
► 01:02:32
Oh, maybe he said, take these.
► 01:02:34
Uh huh.
► 01:02:35
They'll make you fall asleep.
► 01:02:37
Yeah.
► 01:02:37
They won't kill you.
► 01:02:38
He definitely was giving her sedatives and stuff like that.
► 01:02:42
I mean, he had prescribed her a ton of weird shit, like the phenobarbital, the.
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Suboxone.
► 01:02:51
No, what's that?
► 01:02:51
I can't remember the other name of the pill.
► 01:02:53
There's another pretty heavy sedative he was going to get.
► 01:02:56
I think that the fact that he was there at 4 30 to make a therapy house call, and then on top of it, as soon as she gets off the phone with Joe DiMaggio Jr., she calls the therapist again.
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Yeah.
► 01:03:07
It leads me to at least believe that they have a less than client doctor relationship, or more than, as well.
► 01:03:13
Right.
► 01:03:13
I mean, I think it's a celebrity doctor relationship where he's kind of on call.
► 01:03:20
It's intrusive, too.
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And I'm sure.
► 01:03:23
I mean, if I.
► 01:03:24
Okay, let's go back to our Don days.
► 01:03:25
Hey, you know what's fucked up?
► 01:03:26
Let's talk about Don for a second.
► 01:03:28
Okay.
► 01:03:28
Isn't it interesting that Don is the best therapist either of us have ever had, and he's not a celebrity doctor?
► 01:03:33
Whereas every celebrity doctor I think you've ever heard of is a terrible doctor.
► 01:03:38
Yeah.
► 01:03:38
Wouldn't you, if you're a celebrity, need a better doctor?
► 01:03:41
A more trustworthy doctor?
► 01:03:42
I would say Metallica would have been much better off seeing Don.
► 01:03:46
Yes.
► 01:03:48
He wouldn't want to be in the documentary.
► 01:03:50
Yeah, and I'm not going to be in your documentary.
► 01:03:51
This is unethical.
► 01:03:52
I guess we're crossing a line.
► 01:03:53
Yeah, I don't feel good about this.
► 01:03:56
I'm going to go hang out with the actors.
► 01:03:57
Like he'd be like, Lars, this is going to be weird, but Kurt's going to be outside when you leave here.
► 01:04:03
Remember that we were both seeing Don one day and he got all weird.
► 01:04:06
Me and he goes, uh, that happened a couple times.
► 01:04:08
I don't know.
► 01:04:08
Oh, and I'm just like, Don, what is it?
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Like, spit it out.
► 01:04:11
You and I had back to back sessions, yeah.
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And he's like, Um, okay, when you exit this office, there may be someone you know.
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And I'm like, I know it's Dan.
► 01:04:19
We already talked, we texted about it.
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And he's like, Oh, okay, thank god.
► 01:04:21
I think you came out and we like high fived in the waiting room, the tag gen. Yeah, that was such a great period.
► 01:04:28
I miss him a lot.
► 01:04:29
I had a dream about him the other day.
► 01:04:30
I told you I saw him.
► 01:04:31
Oh, yeah, I saw my way to the laugh factory and he's retired now.
► 01:04:34
Yeah, that hurts.
► 01:04:35
How's retirement?
► 01:04:35
He goes, I've seen 50 movies.
► 01:04:37
That's so great.
► 01:04:37
He loves movies.
► 01:04:38
I had a dream that he came into my Starbucks.
► 01:04:41
Yeah.
► 01:04:41
And I tried to buddy up.
► 01:04:43
I tried to be like, Don, how's it been?
► 01:04:44
Yeah.
► 01:04:44
And then he was like, I think we should keep this professional.
► 01:04:46
But he's retired.
► 01:04:47
I know.
► 01:04:48
Oh, he fucked you over.
► 01:04:49
Yeah.
► 01:04:49
He's like, even though I'm retired, we still gotta not be friends.
► 01:04:51
Yeah.
► 01:04:52
It's totally out of his character, but it was like, I think it's one of those fears in my head kind of dreams.
► 01:04:57
I think psychologically he's always been a little jealous of me and Don's friendship.
► 01:05:00
I'm the original.
► 01:05:01
I'm the oldest child.
► 01:05:04
You might be the OG.
► 01:05:05
No.
► 01:05:06
I mean, I definitely think, yeah, I think throughout the history of celebrity, Doctors have, I mean, I feel like they play an enabling role.
► 01:05:13
They all have these fucking doctors.
► 01:05:15
And I wonder with me, and it's one of those things too where you wonder with celebrity if you stay cool or if you can become a monster.
► 01:05:28
And it's, I mean, like.
► 01:05:29
Oh, whether power corrupts, so to speak?
► 01:05:31
Right.
► 01:05:31
Like, let's just say, you know, tomorrow Freezing Point became the hottest show on the planet.
► 01:05:38
It's entirely possible.
► 01:05:39
It's very possible.
► 01:05:39
It's not possible.
► 01:05:40
Howard, let's say this.
► 01:05:42
Howard Stern hears me and he's like, Hey Dan, you're the new Jackie the Joke man.
► 01:05:45
No, Sirius is like, Howard, uh, Howard gets real sick and he's like, I, I, ugh, I'm dying.
► 01:05:51
I gotta call, I gotta go.
► 01:05:52
He's got pneumonia.
► 01:05:53
I've gotta get a replacement in here.
► 01:05:54
And they're like, who?
► 01:05:55
And he goes, listen, I know I've been bad, I know I've been shitty to podcast before.
► 01:05:58
Yeah.
► 01:05:59
But I, I've listened to one so much.
► 01:06:01
Listen, when I let David Lee Roth take over for me when I left the, oh, I guess that wasn't his choice.
► 01:06:05
No.
► 01:06:06
Never mind.
► 01:06:06
No.
► 01:06:07
Corolla was his choice.
► 01:06:08
But he goes, I want this guy Dan Friesen to take over the podcast.
► 01:06:10
He's got a great tone.
► 01:06:12
And, and, I would not make women ride Sibians.
► 01:06:14
Or, Let's just say this.
► 01:06:16
Let's just say more realistic.
► 01:06:18
Not that it's not realistic.
► 01:06:20
Let's just say WGN, let's say.
► 01:06:22
That's what I'm saying.
► 01:06:23
Somebody makes a commitment to making Chicago radio what it used to be.
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Boy, I wish they would.
► 01:06:28
Where the DJs were rock stars.
► 01:06:29
Like dolls.
► 01:06:30
Yes.
► 01:06:30
And you are the man.
► 01:06:33
I'll get a morning show.
► 01:06:34
Your billboard is all over the city.
► 01:06:35
Yeah.
► 01:06:35
You're on every train, on every bus.
► 01:06:37
I'd be so uncomfortable with it.
► 01:06:39
Well, but anyway.
► 01:06:41
Do I get.
► 01:06:42
Is your question, do I then get a celebrity doctor?
► 01:06:45
I mean, do I turn into a man cow, is the question.
► 01:06:47
I mean, do you get out of control?
► 01:06:50
That's what the phrasing I used was do I turn into man cow?
► 01:06:53
Sure, because he is a prick.
► 01:06:54
He's an out of control person, I think, in a lot of ways.
► 01:06:57
But yeah, I mean, that's the thing.
► 01:06:58
No, the answer is no.
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Okay.
► 01:07:01
I don't think so.
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Okay.
► 01:07:03
Huh.
► 01:07:04
But then again.
► 01:07:05
I mean, that's that whole thing.
► 01:07:06
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
► 01:07:07
We've never had absolute power.
► 01:07:09
No, but I don't think having a popular show in Chicago would be absolute power.
► 01:07:13
I think that, you know, we get little tastes of it.
Scary Thoughts on Her Body
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I don't think that you are necessarily any different than you were before comedians you should know was a thing, probably.
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Like, I don't think that you're an ethically worse person than before you were one of the five or six people behind the best show in the city.
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Okay.
► 01:07:32
So you don't, like, that gives you a ton of power.
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Okay.
► 01:07:35
And I don't think it's changed you.
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Okay.
► 01:07:37
But then again, my perspective is as your friend.
► 01:07:39
Yeah.
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So I don't know.
► 01:07:40
I mean, I'm trying to think of.
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And to be fair, I didn't know you before.
► 01:07:44
Yeah.
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I'm trying to think of anyone I know who's.
► 01:07:49
Yeah, I know some people who've gotten some.
► 01:07:50
We know some people who've been on television.
► 01:07:52
Sure.
► 01:07:53
We know some people who've been on Comedy Central, Higher Half Hours and stuff like that.
► 01:07:57
And to the best of my ability to tell, I don't think that they've changed that much.
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Okay.
► 01:08:03
You're looking at me like some of them might have.
► 01:08:05
Some of them might have a little bit.
► 01:08:07
I also think, too, it's just that it's that whole.
► 01:08:09
But again, that's absolutely power.
► 01:08:11
What's that documentary overnight about the guy who wrote Boondock Saints?
► 01:08:15
Ooh.
► 01:08:15
And he was like the toast of the town.
► 01:08:18
Seriously.
► 01:08:19
They were like, find us the next Tarantino.
► 01:08:20
And they're like, it's this guy.
► 01:08:21
Boondock.
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He's got this script.
► 01:08:24
And they bought him the bar he worked at.
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Wow.
► 01:08:26
To get him to sign with them.
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Harvey.
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Levinson?
► 01:08:32
No, Harvey Weinstein, the Weinstein brothers, they like tried to woo him and bought him this bar and all this stuff, and he just became a monster.
► 01:08:38
Wow.
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And.
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Who would have thought?
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The whole thing.
► 01:08:41
The guy from Boondock Saints.
► 01:08:42
I know.
► 01:08:43
And the whole thing at the end, the, the, is kind of like, there's a quote from somebody, and it's kind of like, uh, celebrity is basically who you are just cranked up.
► 01:08:53
Yeah.
► 01:08:54
You know, and that's kind of the thing.
► 01:08:55
I think that's probably true.
► 01:08:56
I mean, I feel like it's a drug that amplifies.
► 01:08:58
So I.
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So I.
► 01:08:59
But think.
► 01:08:59
With Marilyn, I think you have, and this is obviously purely speculation on my part.
► 01:09:03
So maybe this, is this your theory?
► 01:09:05
Are you working a theory?
► 01:09:06
It's not even a theory about death.
► 01:09:07
It's a theory about her as a person.
► 01:09:09
I'm going to choose the fake suicide attempt as my official theory.
► 01:09:12
Okay.
► 01:09:13
Because we've got to choose something juicier than it was an accident.
► 01:09:15
Yeah, okay.
► 01:09:16
That's the angle I'm going with.
► 01:09:18
And would explain the glass being gone.
► 01:09:20
He took it?
► 01:09:21
Yeah.
► 01:09:22
But I don't know why he would do that.
► 01:09:24
Maybe the housekeeper did it by accident and then didn't want to fess up with it.
► 01:09:27
That I'm kind of thinking.
► 01:09:28
Or, like, someone working the scene was like, hey, I took a glass for a keepsake.
► 01:09:34
I mean, think about it.
► 01:09:35
That OJ knife just turned up, like, six months ago or whatever.
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So, like, it's possible that.
► 01:09:40
Someone took a memento.
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I know.
► 01:09:42
And you never know, too.
► 01:09:43
Or if the doctor was, like, kind of perving out over the fact that he had assisted this murder, he might have taken it as a memento or something.
► 01:09:49
You never know, too, the level of police corruption or, like, hey, fellas, help me out here.
► 01:09:56
And they just, like, push her from one room to another or something.
► 01:10:01
I did hear something about that, but I couldn't get to the bottom of it.
► 01:10:03
The idea that her body was moved a couple times.
► 01:10:06
Yeah.
► 01:10:06
I don't know what the case is about that.
► 01:10:09
And I don't know what it means.
► 01:10:10
And they're saying, like, there were no sheets or anything.
► 01:10:12
Like, she was just, like, naked on the bed.
► 01:10:14
The housekeeper was like trying to wash the sheets.
► 01:10:18
Apparently, which is weird.
► 01:10:19
So there were no sheets on the bed.
► 01:10:20
Yeah, I saw a picture of the bed.
► 01:10:22
No bed frame either.
► 01:10:23
I don't know.
► 01:10:25
I'm just saying.
► 01:10:26
Pointing at my bed.
► 01:10:27
No.
► 01:10:28
Tell the girls to give me shit about not having a bed frame.
► 01:10:30
No, I think that this is a person who lived a very rough childhood.
► 01:10:42
I'm sure self medicated like most of us would in those situations, or most of us do in those situations.
► 01:10:49
I think, you know, I think she might have been playing with fire and OD'd.
► 01:10:55
Yeah?
► 01:10:56
Yeah.
► 01:10:57
So that's kind of just what the mainstream.
► 01:11:00
The drive by media thinks.
► 01:11:01
Yeah, that's what they would tell you.
► 01:11:03
That's what they want you to think.
► 01:11:04
I know, but I also think.
► 01:11:06
Okay, by the way, that's our instance of that.
► 01:11:07
We're not going to end with the normal send off.
► 01:11:10
No, yeah.
► 01:11:10
Because that's too hard to pull off.
► 01:11:11
It's too hard to pull off, and it doesn't sound organic.
► 01:11:13
Yes.
► 01:11:14
You know, I kind of think it's just one of those things, too, where people just don't.
► 01:11:19
Want to believe what happened?
► 01:11:21
Happen.
► 01:11:22
And I think that can happen where there's instances where there's like all these like red flags of like, whoa, You know, like with 9 11, people think, how can it be that just these people from this country just came over here and did this?
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And then they go, well, what about this, and this?
► 01:11:40
You know what I mean?
► 01:11:42
Well, I think what you're trying to say, if I can put it another way, is like the death of Marilyn Monroe, if you just take the fact that she died, people are like, what?
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What the fuck?
► 01:11:51
Sure.
► 01:11:51
But then all the details that surround it, like horrible childhood.
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Crippling depression, severe bipolarity, drug addiction, all these things are like, oh, well, that's why.
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You're right.
► 01:12:03
If you reject those things and just look at the death, it looks weird.
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Much like with 9 11, if you take just the act and take all the circumstances out of it, it's fucked up.
► 01:12:11
I remember in a sociology class, we had a coroner come in, I think.
► 01:12:16
It was a coroner.
► 01:12:16
Nagooch?
► 01:12:17
No.
► 01:12:18
And he showed us photos.
► 01:12:21
And he was saying, was this a suicide or an accidental death?
► 01:12:28
Of who?
► 01:12:29
People.
► 01:12:30
Okay.
► 01:12:30
And it was like.
► 01:12:31
He was trying to teach you how to tell the differences?
► 01:12:33
Yeah, I think he was kind of showing in a lot of ways, like, you can't tell the difference.
► 01:12:37
There's a lot of vagary.
► 01:12:38
There's a lot of that.
► 01:12:39
And it was very weird.
► 01:12:40
I'm just like, oh shit.
► 01:12:41
That's scary as a kid.
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I know.
► 01:12:43
Well, no, we were in college.
► 01:12:44
Scary as a kid.
► 01:12:45
But it was very much like, Jesus Christ.
► 01:12:47
And he's like, this guy, like, tripped and fell and smashed his head open.
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He wasn't murdered.
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So, I mean, there's a lot of stuff like that where I think just, I don't know what the.
► 01:12:56
I mean, I'm sure there's been reports and case histories and stuff, but what is it about us as.
► 01:13:02
People living in this time where we can't just accept a death.
► 01:13:06
Well, look at it like.
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We have to go, no, something else happened.
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It's got to be.
► 01:13:10
Look at the current landscape that we live in in terms of the mass violence.
► 01:13:14
Yeah.
► 01:13:15
And look at the responses that you get online to that.
► 01:13:17
Oh, right away.
► 01:13:18
Controlled killers.
► 01:13:19
Right.
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Crisis actors.
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False flags.
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Which, I mean, look, maybe.
► 01:13:27
Absolutely not, but maybe.
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Yeah.
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Like if something comes out one day and it's like, oh, hey, everything was fake.
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I'm not going to be like, I can't believe it.
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My worldview is shattered.
► 01:13:36
I believe that it's possible people are that evil.
► 01:13:38
But also, maybe.
► 01:13:38
But also, bullshit.
► 01:13:40
Maybe we need to create these things because we can't handle the fact that people are just that evil.
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It hurts too much to accept that.
► 01:13:47
Maybe it hurts too much.
► 01:13:50
I'm getting marble mouthed just about to introduce this topic because it's hard.
► 01:13:53
But the day after the Orlando shooting recently, all I could think about when I was at work was.
► 01:14:03
How horrible it would feel to shoot somebody.
► 01:14:05
Yeah.
► 01:14:06
Like, I kept thinking about, like, me in someone's shoes shooting somebody and knowing that I have taken their life.
► 01:14:14
Like, I've taken the life out of them because I can't not feel empathy for other people.
► 01:14:19
Like, I'm not the most feeling person in the world.
► 01:14:22
I'm not the most sensitive person in the world, but I know that, like, whatever rights I have, you have to.
► 01:14:27
And whatever experiences I'm experiencing, you have your version of it too.
► 01:14:31
Yeah.
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So it's fucked up to me to think.
► 01:14:33
That someone would go in and randomly start shooting things with disregard for the fact and not even feel that they were taking someone's life.
► 01:14:41
That to me is so scary, and crisis actor stuff is a little bit more appealing because you don't have to wrestle with the fact that, like, nah, some people just don't get that other people are alive.
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I know, I know.
► 01:14:51
And I felt that I hear what you're saying too because when the girl from The Voice was murdered two days earlier, I was watching MSNBC and they were covering it like crazy.
► 01:15:00
Really?
► 01:15:00
Yeah.
► 01:15:01
I missed that story until like a day later.
► 01:15:04
The Voice, which is NBC, and they were really.
► 01:15:06
And I was.
► 01:15:07
And then just that whole idea of, you know, if you're going to kill yourself, don't kill an in first.
► 01:15:11
Just kill yourself.
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Yeah.
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You know?
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It's cool.
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Like, not it's cool, but it's fine.
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Suicide happens.
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Sure.
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And, like, we'd rather you don't kill yourself.
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But if you're going to kill other people, let's keep the death toll to a minimum.
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Just you.
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And it was just such a horrible story.
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And then the Orlando shooting happened.
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Back to back.
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Back to back.
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And they both happened in Orlando or Florida, at least.
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Yeah, both in Florida.
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In Florida.
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I think one was like St. Peter's.
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Yeah.
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And then it's just that thing kicked in where, like you said, I go right away, oh, I wonder what Alex Jones is going to say about this.
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And then it's gross how then everybody is just like.
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All right, now how does this fit into my narrative now?
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It's a humanity deflection, I think.
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It's too hard to see.
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Yeah, and there is that thing, and I think we're talking about it with Marilyn Monroe where it's just like, no, she can't just die.
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She is so important.
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She made a difference.
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People had a bond with her, or it's just this whole idea of, nah, nah, nah, nah, there's too many things going on here.
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The fact of the matter is, sometimes people just die.
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Yeah.
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Sometimes people just do a bunch of drugs and they fucking die.
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I think in the case of Marilyn Monroe, too, there's an added level of it that is like she's so powerful as a woman.
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Yeah.
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Between, I mean, granted, a lot of it was surgically enhanced, but who cares?
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I'm not going to judge that.
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She was gorgeous.
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And this?
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She created, like, an embodied sexuality of a generation.
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Right.
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And a generation that wasn't quite ready to deal with that.
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Right.
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And beyond.
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And she was.
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And on top of that, she stood up to these men in power.
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With making her own studio.
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She stood up to people saying that she couldn't date a communist sympathizer.
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She did all these things, and so to have that person just fucking OD?
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Yeah.
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It's a bummer.
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You can't possibly, and even worse than just OD, die of her own weaknesses.
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Yeah.
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There is a feeling, I think, and it's maybe unfortunate, but when you OD, it's like, eh, you're too weak.
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Your addictions are stronger than your will or whatever.
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Yeah.
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And those two things inhabiting the same body is really confusing for people.
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Yeah.
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So of course it was the CIA.
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Of course, it was communists.
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And I think it's so easy, too, to just, like, you know, it's just, I don't know if we watch too many movies or whatever, but it's just so easy to think, just like, someone slipped in the back door, injected her with something while she was sleeping, put a tube up her ass, put some stuff in her butt, and that was it.
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And in terms of, like, explaining away the enema thing, she could have just gotten an enema.
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Yeah, I know.
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I know.
► 01:17:49
It's funny how if you break some stuff down, it's just like, I mean, yeah, like, you think about stuff and you're like, why is this on your table, Dan?
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You know, well, because I had dinner earlier.
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Yeah, like, why is there soy sauce on the table?
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He had soy sauce on his table.
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It's not a clue.
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I like rice.
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Explain the soy sauce, and it's like, okay.
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I mean, you know, there's always going to be.
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I don't think this is as sexy as, like, a Kurt Cobain or something as far as red flags all around.
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Yeah, I think that there's more to analyze there as opposed to this.
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I think I really took a lot of air out of this with the sort of not refuting but deflating the JFK stuff.
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I was ready to walk out.
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That's all I had.
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I saw it in your face.
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That's fucking all I had.
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So I think what we've come to is that I don't think either of us are very worked up on this one.
Analyzing Historical Slave Trades
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No.
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The suicide or accidental death angle seems very valid.
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Yeah.
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And beyond that, if you want to get really weird, a fake suicide where maybe we can cast the doctor as an evil guy is maybe possible.
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Cry for help.
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Cry for help is also possible if you want to take the evil doctor out of it.
► 01:19:00
Yeah.
► 01:19:00
So, guys.
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This topic sucked.
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Yeah.
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No, it didn't suck.
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But, like, hey, guys, when we're doing these Twitter polls in the future, come correct.
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Well, I mean, I think the next time we're going to have to have just an all star lineup.
► 01:19:16
I say, here's what I think.
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Okay.
► 01:19:18
For the future Twitter polls, the last three that lost are still on there, and we just replace Marilyn Monroe with something else.
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Okay.
► 01:19:25
So then we have, like, it's cycling out.
► 01:19:27
Because I want to talk about Dracula, Hollow Earth, and Planet X eventually.
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I don't want them to go out of contention.
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Okay.
► 01:19:33
Oh, okay.
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Do you finally remember what it was?
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No.
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It's the first topic.
► 01:19:38
Oh.
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But how, how, how, uh, um, oh man, this is going to take us down a whole other wormhole.
► 01:19:45
I don't mind.
► 01:19:46
I got a few minutes.
► 01:19:46
Okay.
► 01:19:47
How familiar are you with Slavery in this country?
► 01:19:53
I didn't experience it firsthand.
► 01:19:54
Dan, come on.
► 01:19:55
Okay, I'm pretty familiar.
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I've learned a bit.
► 01:19:59
How did we come up with Africans?
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What do you mean?
► 01:20:06
Whose idea was it to get Africans?
► 01:20:08
I think that there was an already established slave trade going on.
► 01:20:12
Okay.
► 01:20:13
So someone's like, yo, I know this guy in Africa who can get us a bunch of.
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I think it might be.
► 01:20:17
Yeah, it might.
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I think that that's the way it went.
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Okay.
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Because I don't think we built the slave trade industry.
► 01:20:23
Okay.
► 01:20:23
Like slavery existed for thousands of years.
► 01:20:26
I got very high the other day.
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Oh, boy.
► 01:20:28
And I was watching some TV.
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And there was.
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I think.
► 01:20:33
Can I say something before you tell any facts?
► 01:20:35
Sure.
► 01:20:35
Just in case I'm right?
► 01:20:36
Sure.
► 01:20:36
I feel like I've heard that it was like the Moors.
► 01:20:40
Okay.
► 01:20:41
Oh, here's what I was watching.
► 01:20:42
Okay.
► 01:20:42
There were like banned television commercials on YouTube.
► 01:20:45
Oh, boy.
► 01:20:46
And one was these black guys, and they're just like black people, something about their skin, they can't get like sunburn or whatever.
► 01:20:54
And they like laughed about white people.
► 01:20:56
Now, is that a chuxy bit?
► 01:20:58
No, Now, that being said, like, this is such a weird thing, but like, if you had to find the perfect slaves for the stuff, people wouldn't be sunburned.
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People wouldn't be sunburned.
► 01:21:11
Like, is it, was that much thought went into it, or did it just so happen to be like, like, I mean, like, we're not going to go to Canada and get a bunch of people who are going to, you know, roast in the sun and get sunburned so bad they can't work the next day.
► 01:21:23
I think a big part of that was the chaotic nature of.
► 01:21:27
Colonialism in Africa.
► 01:21:29
Okay.
► 01:21:29
Like there were countries taking over countries kind of on a regular basis in the 16th century or so.
► 01:21:36
And other places had slightly more established centralized governments and stuff.
► 01:21:45
I don't even know how to put it.
► 01:21:46
And I'm talking about stuff I don't really know about.
► 01:21:49
But I'm looking this up and it seems like the Atlantic slave trade was originally run by the Portuguese.
► 01:21:55
Okay.
► 01:21:55
So I don't know what that means in terms of your question.
► 01:21:58
Not either.
► 01:21:59
It does seem like there were countries that had this set up, and then we just took part in it and took their goods.
► 01:22:06
Okay.
► 01:22:06
And I hate to say goods.
► 01:22:08
I don't mean to dehumanize.
► 01:22:09
That's awful.
Promoting Scott Hall Podcasts
00:05:37
► 01:22:10
I know.
► 01:22:10
Maybe we'll do something on that in a future episode.
► 01:22:12
Let's not.
► 01:22:12
Who knows?
► 01:22:14
Marty?
► 01:22:14
Yeah.
► 01:22:15
Marilyn Monroe's dead.
► 01:22:16
It's sad, but it was not JFK.
► 01:22:19
I think the key here and the real thing to take away from is if any of you guys ever do hit a certain level of celebrity and you get your own doctor, pace yourselves.
► 01:22:29
Be careful.
► 01:22:30
Be careful.
► 01:22:31
And get a doctor you can trust.
► 01:22:33
Yeah.
► 01:22:33
Speaking of people you can trust, Marty.
► 01:22:35
It's been fun.
► 01:22:36
Thanks, Dan.
► 01:22:37
People can follow you at Marty DeRosa.
► 01:22:39
At Marty DeRosa.
► 01:22:40
And at Marty and Sarah Pod.
► 01:22:41
Yep, and our little wrestling podcast, Marty and Sarah, love wrestling.
► 01:22:45
Today, you premiere on the MLW Network.
► 01:22:50
The MLW Major League Wrestling Network.
► 01:22:53
This is huge.
► 01:22:53
It's a big deal.
► 01:22:54
Yeah, we're very happy.
► 01:22:55
We're excited.
► 01:22:56
So, everybody who's listening, if you enjoy, go check out Sarah Shocky, who was just on your co host.
► 01:23:01
She was just on Freezen Point last episode.
► 01:23:04
The two of you have a wrestling podcast.
► 01:23:06
It's great.
► 01:23:06
People should listen to it.
► 01:23:08
MLW.
► 01:23:08
You got it.
► 01:23:09
Let's get the stats up so those jackasses over at the network are like, these kids are, they're gold.
► 01:23:14
You got it.
► 01:23:14
There's a lot of fun other shows too on there too, so check it out.
► 01:23:17
What do you got?
► 01:23:17
The Jim Cornette show?
► 01:23:19
Uh, well, yeah, but we're not really, uh, part of, we're not on that team.
► 01:23:23
Oh, well, but that's on there, right?
► 01:23:24
But it's on there.
► 01:23:25
Uh, I don't know any other writers.
► 01:23:26
Writer's Room, uh, Conan, my man Conan.
► 01:23:29
Conan?
► 01:23:30
My main.
► 01:23:30
The Barbarian?
► 01:23:31
No, just Conan, the NWO member.
► 01:23:33
The Filthy Animal?
► 01:23:34
The Filthy Animal.
► 01:23:35
Arriba la Rasa!
► 01:23:38
Uh, he is on there too, so it's very cool.
► 01:23:40
Lots of awesome, uh, people.
► 01:23:42
And then also you have, uh, Wrestling with Depression.
► 01:23:44
You bet.
► 01:23:45
Another podcast you can get on iTunes and wrestlingwithdepression.com.
► 01:23:48
New app dropped just the other day with, uh, Zach from the band Pup.
► 01:23:51
That's real cool.
► 01:23:52
Yeah.
► 01:23:53
Also, uh, comediansyoushouldknow.com.
► 01:23:55
Every Wednesday night, Timothy O'Toole's fucking awesome stand-up comedy.
► 01:23:58
Everyone should go check that out.
► 01:24:00
Check it out.
► 01:24:00
I've got nothing.
► 01:24:01
Also, this weekend.
► 01:24:02
I just got six plugs for you.
► 01:24:03
I know.
► 01:24:04
Also, this weekend.
► 01:24:05
Fuck all.
► 01:24:06
Uh, this weekend, uh, if you love wrestling, if you love comedy, if you love burlesque, if you love, uh, NWO member Scott Hall, uh, I'm going to be doing some shows.
► 01:24:16
Are you doing a show with Scott Hall?
► 01:24:17
I am doing a show.
► 01:24:18
I'm doing two shows with Scott Hall.
► 01:24:19
Can I come?
► 01:24:20
I'm going on the road with Scott Hall.
► 01:24:21
Where is this?
► 01:24:23
Iowa City.
► 01:24:24
Seriously, can I come with you?
► 01:24:27
No, you can't.
► 01:24:28
Why not?
► 01:24:28
I mean, I don't know how.
► 01:24:29
I mean, man.
► 01:24:30
Are you driving?
► 01:24:31
No, I'm not driving.
► 01:24:32
I thought you might have rented a car or something.
► 01:24:33
No.
► 01:24:34
Come on, man.
► 01:24:35
I get all that.
► 01:24:35
If I come, can I meet Scott Hall?
► 01:24:39
I don't have that kind of.
► 01:24:42
I can't.
► 01:24:43
You're doing a show with him.
► 01:24:44
He's a good man.
► 01:24:45
But I can't say.
► 01:24:46
I want to say hello to the bad guys.
► 01:24:50
I can't say that.
► 01:24:51
I want to get him to sign a toothpick.
► 01:24:54
All right.
► 01:24:54
Maybe that can happen.
► 01:24:55
I don't know.
► 01:24:56
But anyway, let me just.
► 01:24:58
This is in Iowa City?
► 01:24:59
Yeah.
► 01:25:00
Secondary question.
► 01:25:01
Is Scott Hall doing stand up or burlesque?
► 01:25:03
No, he's doing neither.
► 01:25:04
He's doing wrestling stuff.
► 01:25:05
There's wrestling also, too.
► 01:25:07
Oh, okay.
► 01:25:08
But our friend Eric Cannon is putting it together.
► 01:25:11
Oh, awesome.
► 01:25:12
So here's the deals.
► 01:25:14
I'm sorry this is taking so long.
► 01:25:15
I was trying to vamp while you got the details.
► 01:25:17
Oh, now you did it.
► 01:25:18
Friday.
► 01:25:18
Friday.
► 01:25:19
Uh, we are going to be in, uh, Des Moines, Iowa.
► 01:25:22
Uh huh.
► 01:25:22
Uh, at Woody's?
► 01:25:25
At Woolies.
► 01:25:26
Uh, it's a concert venue.
► 01:25:27
Okay.
► 01:25:28
And then on Saturday, Wrestlepalooza, we're going to be at First Ave, Prince's Old, uh, home away from home.
► 01:25:36
All right.
► 01:25:37
Uh, and that's.
► 01:25:37
I got some, I got some peeps in Iowa City.
► 01:25:39
Yeah.
► 01:25:40
So Saturday, Minneapolis, Minnesota, Wrestlepalooza.
► 01:25:43
Uh, it's going to be so awesome.
► 01:25:45
Uh, so many people are going to be there.
► 01:25:46
Colcabana, uh, Scott Hall, uh, b-b-b-b-b-b-b.
► 01:25:50
Um, you know.
► 01:25:51
Uh, uh, Chuck Taylor, son of Havoc, Heidi Lovelace, uh, Eric Cannon, I think I already mentioned.
► 01:25:58
I wanna meet Scott Hall.
► 01:25:59
Maybe Aria Davari, who's gonna be in the Cruiserweight Classic.
► 01:26:02
Uh, it's gonna be great.
► 01:26:03
I wanna meet Scott Hall!
► 01:26:05
And maybe I'll have him send you a video message.
► 01:26:07
Dude, that would be amazing.
► 01:26:08
Ayo.
► 01:26:09
Or at least just.
► 01:26:10
Dude.
► 01:26:11
If you could do that, I would do anything.
► 01:26:13
I don't know.
► 01:26:13
You could do recorded on your phone!
► 01:26:15
I mean, I can, but I don't know how to do it.
► 01:26:17
Why not?
► 01:26:17
How about going to- Ask me.
► 01:26:18
He's on a monkey.
► 01:26:19
He's a nice guy!
► 01:26:20
Alright, we'll see.
► 01:26:21
I don't know if he's a nice guy.
► 01:26:22
We'll see.
► 01:26:23
Alright.
► 01:26:23
Anyway.
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Thank you all so much for listening.
► 01:27:03
Marty.
► 01:27:03
Yes.
► 01:27:03
It's been fun.
► 01:27:04
Thanks, Dan.
► 01:27:04
Thanks for joining us in the brain battle.
► 01:27:06
We will check you next time right here in Boomtown, but until then, I've been Boglejub, the white mystery.
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Now, please go out there, do your job, which of course is loving someone.
► 01:27:16
That was.
► 01:27:17
That's what they want you to think.
► 01:27:20
We did a show about Marilyn Monroe, and in the end, we figured she just took a little too many drugs and then she died.
► 01:27:30
But where did that cup of water go?
► 01:27:33
If you know, maybe your grandpa had something to do with her death, hit us up on Twitter or Facebook because we need to know what happened to Marilyn Monroe.
► 01:27:44
That's what they want you to think.