Trish Regan reports that ABC's "The View" faces potential FCC removal due to Chairman Brendan Carr's assertion that the agency serves the president, not as an independent body. Regan contrasts this with Carr's refusal to investigate cable networks like Fox News while targeting broadcast stations under the 1934 Communications Act, citing Carr's own admission of removing "independent" from the FCC mission statement. The segment critiques Joy Behar's controversial remarks and links these events to plummeting Democratic approval ratings, suggesting a broader political shift where the administration weaponizes media regulation against traditional broadcasters while exempting partisan cable outlets. [Automatically generated summary]
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FCC Targets The View00:09:13
Welcome to the big show, everyone.
We are live.
And I got to tell you, you know, we've said here on the Trish Regan show before that we thought that the days of the view would be very limited.
And I got to tell you, after hearing what I heard on Capitol Hill, I can pretty much confirm that they are very, very limited.
I'm going to show you what Brennan Carr, he's the head of the FCC, had to say and how clueless the Dems are about the entire basic structure of how the FCC works.
Yeah, stuff like that does actually matter.
Again, welcome to the program.
I'm Trish Regan.
Good to have you guys here.
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We begin, as I said, on news that the FCC may be looking to oust a show like The View.
Whoopee.
Joy.
Listen up.
As I understand it, they're just really, really stressed out at ABC News right now because they cannot believe that we have an FCC chairman that would say what he said.
They can't believe that we have a president of the United States who says what he says on.
you know, any given day.
So that's a that's par for the course there for the get these guys.
But let me just show you what went down there on Capitol Hill with Brendan Carr and a senator, a sitting U.S. senator who clearly doesn't know how any of this works.
As as you've heard me explain here, right here on the show before, what if we said there is a distinction between cable and network?
And that distinction is that the FCC is in charge of network and they have no say over cable.
And when I say in charge of, I mean.
If you go back to the 1934 Communications Act, basically they have to hold them accountable for truth.
They have to hold them accountable, the FCC that is, for fairness.
They have to hold them accountable for making sure that they are providing a service to a given community.
And so it is a fair question to ask, does the view really provide any service?
Are they really being truthful?
I think the short answer, you and I both know, is no.
But remember when Brendan Carr got so upset about what Jimmy Kimmel had said?
About Charlie Kirk, and everybody was worked up about that.
And he said, Hey, listen, I'm just here to remind you, I have jurisdiction over you peeps.
I can do a lot of stuff.
The president can do a lot of stuff.
Well, this came up here in this showdown with a Democrat senator who's clearly clueless about a whole lot of things.
Watch.
Will you commit to opening an investigation into Fox News for its deceptive editing of this clip?
Again, yes or no, please, because I have questions for the other witnesses.
No.
No.
So.
You're an elected bureaucrat.
You're deciding that some investigations should go on and others shouldn't.
And are you basing this solely on the target or are you basing this on?
What are you basing this on?
Can you answer that question?
This was clearly edited.
Why is one edit fine and one edit not in the middle of a presidential campaign?
Senator, it's based on the law.
The Fox News interview was on cable.
There's no public interest standard.
There's no broadcast hoax rule.
There's no news distortion.
There's no role for the FCC there.
Well, I think there is a rule for fairness, and the American public understands what's fair and just.
Do you think there's a broad fairness rule that we should apply at the FCC to cable companies?
I'm going to go on to merger threats, and Chairman Carr is there.
Unbelievable.
Unbelievable.
She doesn't know the rules at all.
Okay, again, 1934.
I think there's a 34 and a 33 Communications Act.
which basically spell out that they have the jurisdiction over ABC, CBS, NBC, and Fox Network.
Okay, those are networks.
They also have jurisdiction.
If that's the right word to use, I would say some kind of power over, say, the radio stations that are over federal airwaves.
In other words, it's all on how the transmission works.
When networks were set up, they were set up with the help of the government, and the government was like, hey, you're here to perform a service, and we're going to expect that you perform that service.
Granted, a lot of presidents haven't really chosen to say, hey, we want to make sure that they are providing a service and that they're not just flat out lying.
But hey, a lot of presidents weren't quite dealing with the media temperature that we're dealing with nowadays.
Not to say that every Republican hasn't fought this in some way, shape, or form.
I mean, think about how they went after Reagan.
Think about how they went after Bush.
I mean, this is just what they do, right?
At least during my lifetime, I've seen it over and over and over again.
And I've worked in a lot of these newsrooms at none other than CBS and NBC.
And I was a commentator, an economic commentator on ABC, World News Tonight and Good Morning America.
So I've seen it from every single side.
And I can tell you, when you're in those newsrooms, they are liberal junkyards.
Okay.
Like that is like complete liberal insanity, total insanity.
And yes, granted, it's a little better.
And I say a little better over at Fox, but just a little, a little because they're so tightly wound, right?
They have to make sure that they're falling in line because, hey, I'm going to clue you in on something.
I guarantee you Fox didn't appreciate that.
that they were calling out a Fox report.
Apparently it was something to do with an interview that they had done with Kamala Harris, and they had edited it, but for some reason, for some reason, oh, I don't know what reason this might be, the CBS News was targeted as opposed to Fox.
Well, I do believe that legally there was more to go on with CBS than there was with Fox.
Again, because cable can do what cable wants.
But when I say that even Fox doesn't have the latitude perhaps that it wants, I say that knowing, having worked there, that they were always worried about their Fox affiliate stations and their Fox ONOs and the FCC, the big FCC that was, you know, the threat that existed out there.
Well, Brennan Carr, all he's doing is taking this threat sort of under his wing and mobilizing it a little bit because things have gotten kind of out of hand.
And so one of these, okay, so Senator Jackie, what's her name?
She's trying to say, oh, you know, like I got him.
I got him.
I got him because Fox News edited Kamala's interview, you know, and they did that.
And so how is that any different than CBS doing that?
And he's like, let me remind you, Senator, as I told you, if you had half a brain and listened, you numbskull.
Senator, you left the portion of our exchange where I explained to you that you had confused a cable program for a broadcast program.
As I said, I am not investigating a cable program based on your claim that it violated FCC rules that apply only to a broadcast program.
No, no, no, no.
He's investigating network programs that violate FCC rules.
Do you understand that, Jackie?
We just want to make sure.
You know, I realize it's kind of hard to comprehend.
If you're a viewer or a listener of the Trish Regan Show, you've heard me say this at nauseam when the whole Jimmy Kimmel thing was going on.
What did I tell you over and over and over again?
Cable is different.
The network, gosh, when I got to cable, it was like I have arrived.
Hallelujah.
I got to CNBC, and all of a sudden, we didn't have to just, you know, work in 10 or 12 second increments.
I was thinking about it today because I was getting some sound bites for the show together.
And I was looking at them, and I have one that's like two minutes long I want to play for you.
In fact, that might have been two minutes long.
And in my old world, when I was a network news correspondent, I could never play a sound bite that was two minutes long.
In fact, you know, I could barely play.
18 seconds.
And the reason for that was I wouldn't even get two minutes for a whole darn report.
I mean, I might get a minute 10.
I might get a minute 20 to do the entire thing to tell you all about interest rates or GDP.
Imagine that in a minute 30.
And that might include 10 seconds on sets.
When I got to cable, I was like, whoa, this is great.
I can actually talk.
I can actually breathe.
And then I came here.
And boy, do I get to talk and breathe.
And I get to talk to you guys in real time because I see all your comments simultaneously.
I mean, this is a whole new animal all together.
all together because I don't have to worry.
I mean, we have commercials, right?
And you hear me read for different products, et cetera.
Balance of Nature, one of our favorites, right?
You hear that in the show, but it's not like, okay, at nine minutes after the hour, we got to go straight to commercial.
There may be commercials in this.
Of course, there should be commercials and please watch them.
But the reality is I don't have to work around a commercial schedule like you would have to, say, at network or cable.
So network is very restricting, both from a personality standpoint and, of course, from the regulatory standpoint because the FCC is in charge of the networks.
Okay.
That's just built into the Communications Act.
So sorry, Jackie.
Sorry, Danz.
I know you want to try and take Fox News down, but you can't because Fox is cable.
Now, if, and this is why Fox sometimes gets nervous, Fox does have to think about its Fox O and O's and they don't necessarily want to get on the bad side of anyone.
Independent Broadcast Rules00:11:37
Like, you know, when Trish said what she said in March 2020 regarding, you know, what are we doing shutting down the entire country?
Yeah, that didn't go over so well, but that's okay because now I'm here.
There was that.
Or, oh, when Tucker sort of said, hey, you know, maybe January 6th wasn't quite what the Democrats are making it out to be, that didn't go over well either.
And the fear in that case is always, what is the FCC going to do?
It's partly why you saw MSNBC get spun off, now the Ms. Network, right?
It got spun off from NBC because NBC and Conquest were like, whoa, we don't want anything to do with this.
We just don't want anything to do with it.
And it's partly why, you know, I kind of think what is David Ellison thinking with Paramount and CBS trying to go in and buy CNN?
I mean, well, they're already stuck with CBS.
I guess that's maybe they get rid of CBS and they just go to cable.
That might actually make more sense.
Here's another clip I want to show you.
PBS is also freaking out.
So you get ABC, and we're going to get back to the view in a second, but you get ABC sort of spinning like a spinning top.
Like they're just freaking out.
Oh my gosh.
Oh my gosh.
How dare he say this?
And you get PBS, of course, which has lost all of its public funding, also freaking out because they're like, Brendan Carr just said that the FCC is not independent.
Oh my gosh.
He just said that the FCC is not independent.
Oh, well, Brendan Carr went even further.
Ladies and gentlemen, Brendan Carr actually stripped the word independent in real time during those congressional hearings.
After a senator asked about it, watch.
Senators threw sharp questions at FCC Commissioner Brendan Carr during his first congressional appearance since the agency pressured broadcasters to remove ABC late night host Jimmy Kimmel from the airwaves earlier this year.
Today, Democrats pressed Carr on whether he was politicizing an independent agency.
Just so you know, Brendan, on your website, it just simply says, man, the FCC is independent.
This isn't a trick question.
Okay, the FCC is not.
Is your website wrong?
Is your website lying?
Possibly the FCC is not an independent agency.
During that hearing, the FCC's website changed, removing the word independent from its mission statement.
Oh, that's pretty good.
He's got good staff.
You know, they're watching the hearings.
He's like, we are not independent.
Like, let me make that really clear.
I work for the president, and we're not independent.
You know?
So there you go.
We're not the DOJ.
Even though we learned, of course, just yesterday in all those emails I led.
Go back and watch yesterday's show if you haven't seen it about Mar-a-Lago because it turns out the DOJ, at least under Joe Biden, was not so independent, shall we say, nor was the FBI so independent because the FBI was saying, hey, we probably shouldn't go and do this raid on Mar-a-Lago.
And the DOJ is like, we don't care.
I do believe the line was, I don't give a damn.
The guy thinks he was, you know, Rhett Butler and Gone with the Wind.
I don't give a damn.
You're going to go in and you're going to do that raid.
I don't care the fact that you think it's improper that you could work with the lawyers.
We want the raid, right?
We want the raid.
So think about what's going on.
Brandon is dealing in reality.
The left is not.
Not to mention the irony of it.
It's sort of funny because he's like, wait, you want more regulation?
You want me to regulate cable too?
Okay, bring it on.
Bring it on.
He's got a lot that he could look at, that he probably should look at.
If you remember, He actually created quite a little stir back when he went on Scott Jennings' radio show.
Scott's the guy who's on CNN and had this to say about Jimmy Kimmel after the president was like, he needs to come off the air.
Watch Jimmy Fallon and Seth Myers at NBC.
Just wondering, do you have comments on those shows?
And are they doing what Kimmel did Monday night?
Is it even worse on those programs, in your opinion?
Well, look, you can be unfunny.
That's fine.
And a lot of people are sort of saying that, well, people are punishing Kimmel because they don't like a joke that he told.
But, you know, we don't need to rehash it here.
But obviously, what he said was not a joke.
It wasn't presented at all that way.
But when you look at these other TV shows, what's interesting is the FCC does have a rule called the equal opportunity rule, which means, for instance, if you're in the run up to an election, you have one.
You know, partisan elected official on, you have to give equal time, equal opportunity to the opposing partisan politician.
So far, so good.
But there's an exception to that rule called the bona fide news exception, which means if you are a bona fide news program, you don't have to abide by the equal opportunity rule.
And over the years, the FCC has developed a body of case law on that and has suggested that most of these late night shows, other than SNL, are bona fide news programs.
And potentially, I would assume, You can make the argument that The View is a bona fide news show, but I'm not so sure about that.
And I think it's worthwhile to have the FCC look into whether The View and some of these other programs that you have still qualify as bona fide news programs and therefore exempt from the equal opportunity regime that Congress has put in place.
Got about 30 seconds.
Let's go to The View, shall we?
Joy Behar yesterday said this.
First of all, who tried to overthrow the government on January 6th?
Wait, let me think.
Who was that again?
That was not Obama.
The thing about him is that he's so okay, so you see where this is going.
I mean, he's basically saying that the FCC does, because it's controlling the broadcast licensees for ABC, it has that ability to basically, you know, regulate or, you know, say, hey, you guys are out of line because you're not delivering actual and so that's where you're not providing a service, if you would, to the community, which is what you were designed to do.
And this is what he reiterated in hearings, going so far as to say, no, the FCC is not independent.
In other words, we're here with an agenda.
This is a big, big deal.
And I'm saying this, by the way, from my little perch here on YouTube and on Spotify.
And you can also see me on a bunch of other social media platforms, but these are my main ones.
If you're watching on YouTube, thank you.
We're growing.
Wow.
I mean, look at this.
It's amazing.
Right, over a million.
And please join me on Spotify as well.
Sure, to give you the link.
I say this in a place where I can actually say whatever I want.
I mean, I, you know, I, within reason, I guess, you know, it's assuming, assuming, assuming I'm still welcome on these platforms.
But that you don't, you're not inhibited in any way by any FCC regulations versus these guys on The View, where I'm going to show you a clip and I'm going to tell you personally, I had to edit it.
I had to edit because Whoopi is so bad and she said so many heinous things that I actually don't want those words on the air.
And I don't think YouTube wants them on the air either, nor does maybe, I don't know, Spotify.
You probably don't want them either, right?
So I'm actually working in real time to make sure it's not disgusting and so misrepresentative while these schmoes get to go on the view and yuck it up with a bunch of nonsense.
And the FCC, fortunately, you know, I'm a responsible individual.
These people aren't so responsible.
And consequently, they're allowed to go down this really dangerous path where they're saying crazy stuff as though it is news.
It is.
Part of the ABC News division and no penalty.
And he's saying, forget about it.
That's wrong.
And maybe there will be a penalty.
So, hey, Bob Iger over at ABC, Disney owned ABC, watch out.
Let's listen to the rest.
Because Obama is everything that he is not.
Yeah.
Trim.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Smart.
Handsome.
Happily married.
Happily married and can sing Al Green's song, Let's Stay Together, better than Al Green.
Yeah.
And Trump cannot stand it.
It's driving him crazy.
Crazy.
Jealousy is not a pretty.
Green is not a good color.
That from yesterday.
Who knows what happens today?
The White House chose to respond to that.
And this is what they said Joy Behar is an irrelevant loser suffering from a severe case of Trump derangement syndrome.
It's no surprise that the View's ratings hit an all time low last year.
She should self reflect on her own jealousy of President Trump's historic popularity before her show is the next to be pulled off air.
Is the View now in the crosshairs of this administration?
Look, it's entirely possible that there's issues over there.
I mean, again, stepping back this broader dynamic, once President Trump has exposed these media gatekeepers and smashed this facade, there's a lot of consequences.
I think the consequences of that aren't quite finished.
And look, the view's got a lot of challenges there.
It wasn't that long ago, I think one episode, one show alone, they had to stop, interrupt the show, and read four separate legal notices to try to avoid legal liability.
So I'm not surprised to hear people saying that their ratings are struggling.
Wow.
Sir, where does this end then?
Look, I think we need a course correction.
You know, it's time for America's legacy broadcasters to return to promoting the public interest.
And just recently, you know, Skydance, which is looking to acquire CBS, wrote letters to the FCC committing to serious change, to trying to root out bias, to putting in place an ombudsman that would address these issues, to returning to unbiased, trustworthy journalism.
That's where we have to go.
And I think we're getting some wins along the way.
It's trust but verify at the end of the day.
You know, we're not where we need to go.
But I think this legacy media really needs to reorient, or they're going to continue to run into issues like Colbert, where it just doesn't make economic sense to run a partisan circus.
No, yeah, don't forget Colbert loses millions of dollars a year.
It's almost like Donald Trump and Brennan Carr are actually going to force some market discipline on these guys.
They're like, hey, you're not funny.
Nobody's watching you.
So maybe, you know, shape up or ship out.
Reminder this was created, the FCC was created back in 1934.
I stand corrected.
I think I said 33 or 34 earlier.
I want to.
I got the exact date.
How do you like this?
June 19th, 1934.
It was FDR that created it.
FDR never met a regulation he didn't love, right?
So what were they doing?
They were regulating radio and wire communications out of serving, quote, the public interest, convenience, and necessities.
So public interest is a big one.
It only applied to the broadcast spectrum.
It continues to only apply to the broadcast spectrum.
It didn't apply to newspapers.
Obviously, cable, which wasn't around at the time, doesn't apply to the internet.
apply to social media or podcast.
Woohoo!
Right?
But what that senator didn't get and what he tried to explain to her was, hey, hey, you know what?
There's a different set of rules.
And so there's a standard, right?
When you come to the public interest, you have to have some standards.
And I'm just going to say, I don't think that this show and I don't think Brendan Carr and I don't think the president of the United States, I don't think anybody, and by the way, listen, that's important what he said about not being independent, right?
Public Interest Spectrum00:02:42
Because he's basically saying I'm representing the president in this function.
And so you guys have to like do a better job at like walking the line and being 50-50 because you're just bashing the president all the time and bashing the country to the point where Whoopi Goldberg, like I said, I cleaned it up for you.
You know, you can thank me later.
But she's talking about living in Iran as a black woman versus living in the United States as a black woman.
And for some reason, this crazy woman thinks she'd rather live in Iran.
I say, hey, go for it.
Whoopee, we won't miss you.
That it is the same.
So that's why I said you weren't saying what I heard was not what you meant.
I think it's very different to live in the United States in 2025 than it is to live in Iran.
Not if you're black.
Not for everybody.
Not if you're black.
Guys, don't go to Tehran.
Do not anyone at this table go to Tehran.
Let me tell you about being in this country.
This is the greatest country in the world.
But yeah, I know that.
I know that.
And we all know that.
But every day we are worried.
Do we have to be worried about our kids?
They are not big deals.
And I don't mean to say they're not big deals to you because that's not what I meant.
And they are not doing well there either.
They are not doing well in Iran.
They are not educated.
They cannot be property.
They cannot be states.
I'm talking about the government.
Nobody wants to diminish the very real problems we have in this country.
That's no one's intent.
But I think it's important we remember there are places much darker than this country and people who deserve rights to be treated.
And not everybody feels that way.
Not everybody feels that way.
Listen, I'm sorry.
You know, when you think about the fact that we got the vote in 1965.
Okay, they don't have free and fair elections in Iran, but it's not even the same universe.
They can't go out of their house.
You know what?
There's no way I can make you understand.
Let me try to reverse roles with a black person in this country, let's say, because I think that's what you're talking about.
Yes.
Just try to understand from their point of view, from that.
Point of view, this country does not do them well, does not go to that.
I completely acknowledge that.
Those are myths and similarities.
If you're talking about Iran, Iran, of course, is doing worse things, but relatively speaking, it feels bad on the surface.
Okay, but I think you know that Iran is significantly worse than Iran.
I guess we're going to come back and talk more about this.
Okay.
Did you catch the part where she's like, well, you know, women, we didn't.
Was she talking about.
What was she talking about?
1965.
Somebody didn't have the vote until 1965.
Polling Autopsy Report00:05:36
I I mean, oh boy.
She'd rather live in Iran.
She could be more free in Iran.
And again, I took out some kind of graphic things that she said because it was like, frankly, kind of violent language.
I'm like, what is this doing on morning TV?
And how is it that you don't have anybody, anybody, anybody on that show?
I mean, I guess they have their one rhino there who occasionally tries to stick up for MAGA.
But they don't have anybody.
Oh, maybe they're going to get Marjorie, Marjorie Taylor Greene.
Does that like check a box?
We got a Republican now.
We got a blonde Republican.
What do you know?
Except that she's not really a Republican anymore.
Let's be honest.
Okay.
You're not going to have anybody, anybody at all that supports anything this administration is doing.
Are you kidding me?
And, you know, listen, I'm just going to tell you there's a lot of good stuff.
Inflation.
Oh my gosh.
CNN couldn't believe the inflation numbers today.
Steve Leesman, who I used to work with at CNBC.
He nearly fell out of his seat when he saw this.
I could have told you it's coming down, guys.
You know how I know it's coming down?
Because I look at gas prices and I know that energy markets are opening up because this administration has some policies that are actually working from an economic standpoint.
So I could have told you inflation is coming down, but anybody, everybody was just so surprised, so surprised.
And, you know, they just can't admit that anything is good.
We're going to get to that in a second because I got to show you the New York Times headline.
But before we do, think about this.
Brand new poll out today.
And CNN couldn't believe it.
They had to report this and they're like, are you kidding?
Oh my gosh, this guy, Enton, Harry Enton, he's pretty good.
He's got a lot of personality, as we say in the business, right?
And you need some of that, right?
You need that energy and you need that personality, especially on CNN.
You risk becoming PBS.
So Harry Enton gets up there and he starts going through these numbers and he's like, whoa, I mean, they're lower than the Dead Sea.
Think about that as we go to this Quinnipiac poll that just came out.
CNN having to admit it lower than the Dead Sea.
Dems, you are in trouble.
Come midterms.
And the minds of the American public are lower than the Dead Sea.
What are we talking about here?
Well, let's take a look.
The net approval rating for Democrats in Congress.
You said it, Kate Baldwin.
The lowest ever.
Look at this.
Overall, they are 55 points underwater.
Their approval rating is south of 20%.
It's even worse when you look at independents.
Look at this.
Negative 61 points.
That means that their approval rating is 61 points lower. than their disapproval rating.
Quinnipiac has been polling this question for the better part of the 21st century.
They have never found Democrats, at least those in Congress, in worse shape than they are right now.
Oh, ouch, ouch, ouch, ouch.
They're lower than the Dead Sea.
Okay, so that's a cable news channel actually reporting something truthful.
Wow, maybe it's because Paramount's about to be their owner?
Could be.
I think that deal's actually going to happen.
Mark my words.
And by the way, I'm not usually wrong.
I mean, it may take a little time.
I think we were ahead of the curve on Dan Bongino by about a week, but I told you, you heard it here first.
Okay, Democrats, they are in such a bad spot right now, not just because of the poll that you just heard on CNN, but also because they have no bench.
They have no one to run.
I don't know what they're thinking.
I mean, Gavin Newsom, forget about it.
And it's so bad that they're not even willing to publish their own audit, their own autopsy of everything that went wrong in 2024, because that's how bad it was.
I mean, I think some people are going down, right?
If they were to publish that thing, I think a lot of people would be in trouble because there were people that were holding on to nothing.
And by nothing, I mean Joe Biden.
They were holding on to this idea that Joe Biden could win when Joe Biden was mentally declining.
We saw it every day.
We talked about it here on the show every day.
And, you know, we were treated like we were the fake news.
Cheap fakes.
When we ran the full raw tape showing you how poor guy could barely walk.
He was moving in slow motion.
Remember the one I keep citing this one?
We're not going to play it, but remember that one with Georgia Maloney?
I never liked her better.
She was really just a nice person.
It was the right thing to do.
They were all getting ready for their G7 photo overseas.
I think it was in France.
And he wanders off because there's a parachuter over there.
And he's like a little kid who's kind of interested.
Just wanders off outside the group as they're assembling for this photo.
And she caught it.
And she went and got him and brought him back.
And, you know, all the other Macron and everybody, they're like, what?
You know, they're all just focused on the camera.
And then he tried to put on his sunglasses.
And you could see in real time, that was not slowed down camera motion.
He couldn't do it.
So it makes you wonder, what's in this autopsy report?
Seriously, this autopsy report must be pretty bad because they're just not willing to publish it at all.
Nope.
Nada.
That is the headline of the New York Times, guys.
The Democrat National Committee has decided not to publish its autopsy of what went wrong in the 2024 election.
Yeah.
I don't blame you.
I don't think I'd want to publish it either.
You know, especially if you want to give Kamala Harris any tense.