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Oct. 17, 2025 - This Past Weekend - Theo Von
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#618 - Sam and Colby

Sam and Colby (Sam Golbach + Colby Brock) are paranormal content creators. Their annual Halloween series “Hell Month” is happening now through 10/31. Sam and Colby join Theo to talk about traveling the world in search of the paranormal, meeting spirituality halfway, and getting a private tour through France’s biggest underground boneyard.   Sam and Colby: https://www.instagram.com/samandcolby/  ------------------------------------------------ Tour Dates! https://theovon.com/tour New Merch: https://www.theovonstore.com ------------------------------------------------- Sponsored By: Celsius: Go to the Celsius Amazon store to check out all of their flavors. #CELSIUSBrandPartner #CELSIUSLiveFit https://amzn.to/3HbAtPJ  Shopify: Go to http://shopify.com/theo to build start building your business. Liquid IV: Go to https://LIQUIDIV.COM and get 20% off your first order with code THEO at checkout. Valor Recovery: To learn more about Valor Recovery please visit them at https://valorrecoverycoaching.com/  or email them at admin@valorrecoverycoaching.com Perplexity AI: Ask anything at https://pplx.ai/theo and download their new web browser Comet at https://comet.perplexity.ai/ ------------------------------------------------- Music: “Shine” by Bishop Gunn Bishop Gunn - Shine ------------------------------------------------ Submit your funny videos, TikToks, questions and topics you'd like to hear on the podcast to: tpwproducer@gmail.com Hit the Hotline: 985-664-9503 Video Hotline for Theo Upload here: https://www.theovon.com/fan-upload Send mail to: This Past Weekend 1906 Glen Echo Rd PO Box #159359 Nashville, TN 37215 ------------------------------------------------ Find Theo: Website: https://theovon.com Instagram: https://instagram.com/theovon Facebook: https://facebook.com/theovon Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thispastweekend Twitter: https://twitter.com/theovon YouTube: https://youtube.com/theovon Clips Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheoVonClips Shorts Channel: https://bit.ly/3ClUj8z ------------------------------------------------ Producer: Zach https://www.instagram.com/zachdpowers Producer: Trevyn https://www.instagram.com/trevyn.s/  Producer: Nick https://www.instagram.com/realnickdavis/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Today's guests are some young paranormal explorers.
They're those boo babies.
You feel me?
Them spook lurkers.
And they're here today.
They've amassed a huge following on YouTube, over 13 million subscribers.
They've been to some of the scariest places on the planet.
I'm looking forward to learning about that and getting my Halloween up.
Today's guests are Sam and Colby.
Come on.
Come on.
Sam and Colby, thank you guys for coming in, man.
Thanks for having us.
Yeah, I appreciate it, dude.
Like Ouija lurkers.
Like, what do people call you guys?
Is it like um spirit hunters?
Uh paranormal amigo.
Like, what do you guys like?
How do you guys what do you guys call yourselves?
Is it like ghost hunters?
What is it?
Yeah.
Honestly, we should we should go with that one for sure.
We should rename our channel to just paranormal amigos from now on.
Seance monkeys, maybe.
I'm just trying to think like I mean, that's way cooler than just saying ghost hunters.
You know, most people just call us ghost hunters, but uh honestly, we're just like two dudes to the camera.
Like we just kind of like document everything that like that happens to us.
We're not experts at all.
We don't know what we're doing, so we just like go into these haunted places with a camera, just us two and a couple guests and see what happens.
I wish we were psychics and mediums, but we can't channel them, you know.
Not that cool.
It's almost like uh Ghostbusters, but like community college kind of.
Yeah, dude, exactly.
That's hilarious.
That's fair to say.
Like the off-brand TV ghost sometimes exactly.
No, that's fun.
Like, that's honestly like that is part of the adventure.
So we have no idea what would happen.
Like sometimes it's the craziest thing we've ever seen, and then sometimes like just nothing happens.
We're shooting the shit with our friends, which is also like super fun.
Yeah.
You guys have 15 million subs on YouTube now.
Um how many people live in your hometown?
Oh my god, maybe like less than 100,000.
So it's like so bizarre to think about.
It's wild.
Yeah, we're from Kansas.
So, like small town Kansas to like all this stuff.
It's definitely a wild experience for sure.
So 150 of your hometowns is that's how many followers you have.
All coming together.
It's wild to think about.
Like, we it's still surreal to this day.
Like we, like you were saying, like we grew up in like a small town, like suburbs of Kansas City.
So, like moving out to like LA and Vegas has been a wild change for us.
And we did it just after like high school too.
So at 18, we didn't know anything.
It just shows how many people are really interested in like spirits and like afterlife.
I mean, I'm sure like every single person as a human is like always wondering what happens after I die.
I don't know if you believe in ghosts or not, but like you've probably had that question of like, what does happen?
You know, like is it possible to communicate with like your loved ones and stuff?
Yeah, well, I think it's one thing that we all have in common, right?
I think it's one thing that it's like it's that one question that none of us can answer.
Right.
And then also I think like that a lot of people think that like ghost hunting kind of died a little bit because it was kind of this older thing that was more popular, like um, and then when a lot of technology really started popping off, uh, I think people thought like, oh well, nobody's seeing ghosts anymore as much.
You know, people thought you'd see them more on cell phones and stuff.
But since nobody's seeing, I think people it kind of I remember like five or six years ago being like, dude, where are all the fucking ghosts?
Where did they go?
Yeah, you think if every single person had a camera, like they would have clear evidence of ghosts, you know, dude.
You see Casper every day always hanging out with us.
You see the stacks of ghosts, you'd see like just a bunch of boo orgies and shit popping off.
Like, but it's it's not like that, man.
It's the opposite.
I mean, we've had a couple of boo orgies, so have you ever seen uh oh have we said I wasn't there for that one?
Hopefully not.
Um just so our listeners know, like so what you guys met in.
We met in Kansas in high school.
Okay.
So like we were like 14 years old.
Yeah, we met in band camp in uh typical story high school, and then we're also like, yo, like we don't want to end up like all the other kids in Kansas, you know, just doing the same old like go to college, get nine to five, whatever.
That was fine, like go do your thing, but we just really didn't think that was for us.
So do you remember the first time that you saw each other?
Well, that was super romantic.
Yeah.
It was out of coffee shop in seventh grade.
That does make it sound very romantic.
Sorry.
No, believe it or not, I actually do remember the first time I saw you.
I think you remember this too when I tell the story, but like um it was in middle school.
So we were like, yeah, actually like 12 or 13 or something like that.
And each month there would be like these awards that the students could earn or whatever or get.
Um, like for example, best dressed, or like Sam, for example, won the best haircut of like the month or something like that.
I could see that crazy.
And so when he like walked over the stage, I was like, that guy's he does have really cool hair.
That was the first time.
Not just that Mormon front waterfall though, and all that.
I mean, he's got that beautiful, it's yeah, you can make mittens out of that.
That's what I'm saying.
Beautiful.
Um But you remember that.
Of course.
He won the award.
He won the award, and I was just like, I have to be friends with this guy.
Maybe even start a Vine account eventually.
Okay, there we go.
Yeah, Colby's the one that like knew of Vine and YouTube and stuff.
I was not into all that stuff.
But then he was like, dude, there are people right now making Vine videos and stupid videos at their mall that are getting millions of views, and like no one's like in on this.
And so we just decided to like go for it.
Cause we were like, I don't want to live forever just in Kansas doing the normal route, and let's try it.
Dude, we didn't even know there was a career, like money to be made out of it, but um, I just like looked up to a lot of people on social media that I was like, come on, we can like do this if we really try.
And then he saw the vision once like things started picking up.
Yeah, just to do content just to do content, I was like, oh I I don't know, 100%.
But like once I saw like, oh, like this could be our way to have a voice.
This is our way to get out of Kansas, this is our way to travel, meet cool people, all these different things, build a business.
It was like, oh wait, let's go.
Wow.
And so we like kind of locked in on senior year of high school.
And I remember parents were like, yo, if you get X amount of dollars, we'll allow you to take a gap year instead of go to college.
And like you earned that many dollars in uh in a year.
It was like, I don't know, fifteen thousand dollars or something.
And like, because that would be enough for a couple months' rent in LA.
And it's like, okay, well, then we had it on our whiteboard, and like, you know, we check off the amount of money we're making on senior year, like, okay.
Post everyday live stream every single day.
Like we were on grind mode.
And yeah, again, being from Kansas, like there was nothing to do really besides.
Is there haters around the village?
Like, was there haters in the branches of of the local trees?
Like, was it like that?
For sure, yeah.
No, our own high school would like didn't like us.
Well, also this was like also during the time when social media wasn't very popular, but yeah, we get called in to like personal office, being like, what are you guys doing on Vine?
Like, this is not cool.
We don't want you guys representing our school like this.
And I was like, also, we started like with public disturbance.
So we go to our local mall, like jump off like tables, yeah, tables and like ride couches up escalators to stupid stuff.
Like, yeah, I saw y'all following some fats at the mall.
Oh, yeah, we don't do that anymore, though.
We don't do that anymore.
Hey, look, dude.
We live what we learn, all right?
Hey man, my stepmother's fat, all right?
All right, well, she doesn't know it, but now she does.
And anyway, sorry, I'm just joking around.
Uh but but but at a certain point you guys sort of pivoted to checking out abandoned places, right?
Yeah.
And then now it's become more haunted spots.
What made you switch from just like, oh, shit, just shit just being abandoned isn't enough, right?
Because I'm crisis.
We used to be scared of spiders, and now we're scared of spiders and ghosts.
So what makes you be like, hey, bro, there's nobody in this dark room we're in.
Let's bring them in and summon them.
Yeah, let's light up a Ouija board.
Yeah, what makes you what makes that kind of like yeah, how do you get there?
What makes you make that turn?
Well, to be completely honest with you, we started doing the abandoned stuff in like 2017, 2018.
Um, and yeah, we were legally doing like pretty much all of our videos back in the day, and we got arrested.
So, like in 2019, like Oh, so you already's showing up places.
Yeah, well, we would just be like, okay, like there's this abandoned asylum.
Let's try to figure a way in and figure a way out without getting caught.
And it was really like fun.
I mean, that's like exhilarating.
But uh, there's this came a time that we actually got caught and we're like, oh well, you know, uh we can't do this as much anymore.
But luckily, like about a year prior to that, we had started going to some places that were had like haunted lore, right?
And we were like, eh, I don't really believe in this stuff.
Like, actually, like both of us were very, very skeptical of anything haunted ghost related before we started.
Um, and we thought it would be great.
Like, let's do this abandoned stuff, but like, let's see if there's a ghost there.
That's funny.
Like, you know, it's probably not.
It's just a dark building, but it'll be great for content.
But then things started happening.
And it was like, wait, what what actually was that?
What was that voice?
What was that slam?
What was that door that just like you know crashed in front of me and then happened over and over and over again and we're like wait this might actually be real and then we went to this place called the Queen Mary in Long Beach.
I don't know if you ever heard of it.
Oh yeah it's an old it's an old ship right have you been before?
Yeah I think we did a I think I did comedy on it.
Oh wow that's awesome.
Yeah I mean it's a it's a huge hotel and it's awesome.
I love some bad jokes on that MF.
So if one of those showed up that was me.
Oh yeah for sure if you heard people booing that was that wasn't ghost that was just audience people yeah yeah that's great.
Um but yeah we had like such a crazy experience and you really did you're really having these experiences like you're really you this is real.
1000% well the entire time like we didn't really like we we didn't believe so like we were like let's let's test it because like actually it would be kind of cool if there was something you know it'd be really fun and so like at this time we were skeptical but we wanted something to happen.
And then at the night of the Queen Mary, even out we kind of gave up we actually did this entire video and nothing really happened all night and then at the very very end of the night turned off cameras and we're like well that was a horrible video but let's just try it one more time for the rest of night was like 4 a.m.
And then slowly stuff started happening off camera.
And this is like how real it is for me.
It's like if it was just for content we just turn on the cameras and like try to like capture it.
But instead we just like sat there and tried to have a conversation with a spirit and that night completely changed my life.
It made me religious it made me like want to get to the whole spiritualist thing.
And I you know you know we talked about this many times after being like okay screw this abandon stuff.
I want to know the answer.
Like this is not just for content anymore.
This is like this is beautiful.
If it's actually like out there, if there is something on the other side I want to know.
And so that dove us into this whole like career over the last five, seven years.
Wow man.
As you're building that up there as you're telling me that even when you were starting just kind of that parable there or starting that uh like when you were starting to share there it made me think of like faith.
It's like you know you sh you you think there's nothing there, right?
And and something shows up right and like you're saying like you were hoping something but but nothing had occurred right and it's kind of the same thing with faith like even you know for people that are religious or have um believe in some sort of higher power it's you have to meet it halfway right so just the fact that you guys showed up willing to meet whatever could be out there.
You know and and then whatever's out there sometimes the way it shows up could be positive but maybe the way we interpret it too isn't is like scary to us because it's coming from a place that we can't understand.
Very very true.
And I mean when we first started I mean my entire life I've I've been Christian.
So like we first started with this like Queen Mary like experience and for Sam like he was saying it was something where he didn't believe in anything.
Fuck I didn't know this.
Yeah but I I've always been born and raised Christian and so for me it was more of just like a hopeful thing that's like securing my beliefs I guess you could say um so it really just depends on the person but anybody can take the paranormal like however they want depending on what they believe in the personal lives.
But you're right it's so much more of like putting yourself out there and meeting something halfway whether that be in religious sense or as we do in like the paranormal world it's like so many people go out there and they're so closed off like they're skeptical.
I'm sure tons of people watching this right now are super skeptical.
But yeah I was one of them a little while ago yeah and and it but if you go into a haunted house and you're super skeptical and you don't think something's gonna happen same thing with faith you're you're never gonna get it but like when we turn off the cameras and we actually like actually okay I just want something to be there.
I I'm willing to to really believe and put myself there that's when things started happening.
And that's what we always advise that the people to do and when they go into these haunted places put yourself out there.
Take a risk you know yeah it's dude it's so funny it brings me back to like when I was a kid and like that's one thing that is amazing about kids it's like especially like ghosts and kids like when they're it like you know even till like 15 six oh different ages but when you when you had that youthful energy you're so like right there on the edge of the moment that something can meet like something small can meet you right there really easily it's pretty so willing to believe yes you know it's such an amazing time.
Yeah yeah yeah that's why like children have so many more experiences because they're less closed off they're less like I don't know jaded to the world you know oh it's so true dude now if a ghost showed up it'd be I literally there's like you know all right you know can you come back later I'd probably be like I'm busy all right I got some shit to do, you know.
Yeah, yeah.
People could beg for like somebody to come from the afterlife that they love, and then they hear a weird knock at the door in the middle of the night, and instead they call the police instead of go open it up, like what are you talking about?
Your grandfather come on, got the conversation.
But it is it's it it's just interesting that like um how perception and belief can meet together to frame what your experience can be.
Right, you know, exactly.
Yeah, and that's kind of why why we do it now.
Like, we definitely now believe we've had so many experiences over the last like seven years to have proved to us that it we're not the only things out there, yeah.
But especially me, I was at a place where I thought it was all blackness.
After you after you die, it was nothing.
It was so hopeless that when I found that spark of like wait, there could be something more.
It was like my version of finding religion.
Uh it was my my version of finding hope.
And I was like, wait a second, if I can prove this to myself, and now that I have over the last couple of years, what if I could prove this to somebody else?
What if someone could watch one of our videos and walk away, being like, wait, there is something more.
Maybe so.
And what if that changes their course of their life to maybe be a better person or maybe be just more hopeful, happy person.
Yeah.
And so, like, although we are like the spooky guys, we're ghostbusters, we're whatever, and we're trying to get something that's scary.
That scariness is super hopeful.
It's like very beautiful.
But we're also very inviting to just skeptics that won't or don't want to like be open-minded about anything.
Like, they could just watch our videos for entertainment.
So, really, just like you said, it it depends on the person and the paranormal affects everybody in different ways depending on what you believe.
What uh yeah, this is interesting, man.
I didn't I I didn't even know if I expected this conversation to go like this, but this is great.
Um I'm be curious, like, what do you believe?
Well, I've gotten to speak with people that have like we had a doctor on who is a cancer doctor, and he had over the years he started doing he started interviewing people that had near death experiences and just collecting a lot of their data, right?
Like a lot of the data and finding a lot of the commonalities in it.
Yeah.
Um, and so once I spoke with him, I started thinking like, yeah, this was him right there, Dr. Jeffrey Long, and he wrote a book about it, and it's an easy read, but it's um you could just tell how much it changed his life and his perspective that he at no um at no fiscal reward, he started creating this database and uh and just putting together all different people's accounts.
And it it was just fascinating to see uh to see how many people had had the same experiences, right?
And so that gave me like okay, if there's if enough of it's uniform here and the experiences are the same, like that kind of shows a pattern, obviously, right?
And it certainly starts to make you believe a little bit more, right?
And it's really it's like he couldn't really get to what's on the other side, hype, you know, the other side, like if you go over to the other side, whatever the other realm is.
But he he was able to kind of like through a great deal of interviews, examine some of the stair steps that people were on, um, and what that experience was like.
And so that I think gave me almost a little bit more of like a really a scientific idea of like okay, there's there's something more than just us guessing this, right?
So that kind of was there for me.
I had like a DMT experience where it's like um, you know, some people use plant medicine.
I'm not encouraging that.
I know you guys have some younger viewers, but that took you to a place where you feel like you were leaving for sure, and that was pretty fascinating.
Like, okay, you felt like becoming this, you felt yourself kind of leave your body and become this spirit that the only thing you could feel was love.
Like you couldn't feel anything else.
Um all the earthly chains of like people you knew and all of that, and like I always feel like if I die, I'm gonna worry about them, or they're and there was a little bit of that, but even that broke away.
The amount of like immense love that was present in your being as you were hypothetically leaving this body that we know was so immense and so great.
And you knew immediately, oh, they'll be here again, they'll all be here someday.
So no matter what they're feeling now, this moment trumps whatever that is.
And so even though you couldn't remember anything that was going on in this like physical plane, you still somehow had the thought that like you were supposed to be there.
Is that what you're saying?
Well, you still somehow had the thought that like as it was happening, you start to I felt like you literally start to feel like you're leaving your body, and you start to like my first thoughts are like you're still attached to a lot of your like worldly thoughts.
Like, oh, my mom's gonna miss me.
I'm scared.
Um, I forgot to do this.
I forgot to send that email.
That was like one of my thoughts.
You're a curses of life.
You forgot to see email.
Oh, I should have let the dog out or whatever.
Or man, I left those shoes on the porch.
Little things like that were like kind of going in my head.
But then it was like this, you became overwhelmed with this feeling of like so much love.
Um, and the only thing you're supposed to do while you were alive was love, and everything else was just a ruse.
And then you thought, oh, my mom will miss me.
But then you thought you're like, oh, but she'll come to this feeling one day too when she passes away.
So she'll have the same realization that everything is as okay as it ever could be and ever was, and it'll be that way for eternity.
Dang, dude.
So I that may sound crazy.
I've never even said that out loud, and I don't even know if it makes sense.
No, no, that's a very good but um, but yeah, so I think, and I want to believe.
I think most people do.
I feel like it's pretty sad if like you want there to be nothing, you know?
Yeah, like everyone, like deep down, whether whatever you believe in, you would rather a way that you like move on.
Because that's just human.
That's what I yeah, that's what I think.
Yeah, just having and it makes it exciting.
And we showed up here, dude.
We showed up here.
This is the craziest shit you could ever imagine.
Yeah.
How lucky is it to even be alive?
Yeah.
Just the grace to exist, to be a fish that like comes close to the edge of the bowl, like just for a second and gets to like peek out into like the universe and before we dip back in, you know.
Yeah, yeah.
So what happened in the Queen Mary?
That kind of can you take me into any more like feelings or something that happened?
Was there anything like specific, or was it just an overwhelming feeling?
Yeah, I mean, there was definitely the feeling there.
Uh, we've told the story a couple of times, but uh the synopsis is when we turn off the cameras, we all sat around.
It was like four in the morning.
It was us and a couple roommates, so that we could all vouch for each other.
And we just called out and we said, Hey, if there's something here, can you give us a sign?
And there would be like right off the bat, just a water faucet, full on for like five seconds.
And then we ran into the bathroom, I turns off.
And then so we're like, oh, okay, well, let's continue asking for signs.
And so we get like things like that's a ghost brush in its teeth, probably.
Like, yeah, getting ready for bed.
It's like too late at that night at that point.
Uh, but then like afterwards, it would be like little knocks or scratches or taps everywhere.
And so we would be we'd test it because we're very skeptical at that time too.
And it was like, okay, well, then can you give us like three knocks?
And it was like, okay.
Let's let's say, can you tap over there on the window of the ship so we know that it's not like an employee?
And they would tap on the window.
And dude, we're like whispering these questions.
So it's not like we're like, can somebody tap?
And it's like out in the hallway, and it's like the janitor.
Or somebody's like Rihanna, you know?
Exactly.
And then uh one time.
But it's raining.
You start getting that, dude.
I would lose my mind.
The best paranormal evidence ever.
It's just like coming out of never.
And it's just Rihanna.
Umbrella.
That would be crazy.
I would love if the like the best paranormal evidence ever that convinces everybody is something that silly.
That would be amazing.
It'd be crazy.
The best thing I've done.
But it's wild because people will say, you know, in even in religious places, they'll be like, call out to God for what you want, call out to your higher power, ask your deity for, you know, ask the world.
Like it's the same as um when they say the secret, it's like write out what you want and like meet it halfway, build it, build a um vision board.
That's all the same thing.
It's just trying to put something in existence physically or verbally that to let the world meet, to let the the spirit realm meet you halfway.
Yeah, exactly.
Which goes back to like it doesn't matter what you believe in.
Maybe you don't even believe in any God, but you're just a spiritual person and you're talking to the universe.
But all it's about is having that like manifestation and like, yeah, speaking, what's it called?
The uh law of attraction, like speaking into the universe, what comes back to you.
Yeah.
It's really cool.
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So just to pivot a little bit and get um because you guys have visited so many places, right?
Um and congratulations just to being this young and having gone like over so much of the world.
Thank you so much.
Greatest experience to travel or like greatest excuse to travel ever.
So crazy.
Amazing.
Um it's just rare that something like that gets it to happen without joining like the military or so, you know.
I'm saying so you you guys are in uh in a pretty rare air.
Um what what is the process when you go to seek paranormal activity?
Like, what is kind of like do you is there special shoes you wear?
Is there a special is there no is it no cologne allowed?
Like what really are the, you know, and what do you take with you?
Kind of well, we have like two backpacks full of equipment, um, which we can get into a little bit if you want, but yeah, we have a bunch of like probably like eight to ten pieces of equipment that really react to EMF energy, uh, which is electromagnetic energy that everything in the world, alive or dead, like will emit.
So everything, yeah, in this life life or the afterlife has this EMF energy.
Is that bringing that up real quick, just so we can put a little bit of uh information to it?
There's some perplexity, that's what we're using here today.
What is EMF energy electromagnetic fields, EMFs are invisible areas of energy, often referred to as non-ionizing radiation associated with the movement of electrical current or voltage, they are produced by the flow of electricity through wires or devices and can be found in all environments, indoors and outdoors.
Um does everything have EMFs.
Not everything emits EMFs, but almost every object emits some form of electromagnetic radiation as long as it's not an absolute zero temperature.
Any device that uses, generates, or conducts electricity will produce EMF.
Natural sources of EMF include the Earth's magnetic field, the sun, and even biological processes within living organisms.
Okay.
So it's energy.
It's basically like people would say energy.
This is just more of a scientific way to quantify it.
Right.
Yeah.
And so, like all almost all of our piece of equipment basically measure changes in this energy.
And so if you place it there and kind of calibrate it to the environment, if there's a change in that environment, then it will go off.
Got it.
So there's that type of thing.
We also use like motion sensors.
We also use like everyday objects.
So, like we'll get, you know, let's say like cat toys or like flashlights and things like that that are stereotypical or just everyday objects that are not like meant for ghost hunting, just so we can show that like even regular objects can be used for this type of thing so that the afterlife can communicate.
So Larry will be like, you know, we'll set a flashlight down and it will turn on in front of our eyes.
And it's like insane.
But at the same time, like we would always recommend everybody start with how we started.
It's like getting yourself there and like say, hey, like call out, get the knocks, get the voiceless.
Like we've been, you know, grabbed, we've had voices in our ears, we've like been pushed, we've had door slam in front of our faces.
It's not always the equipment, it's like all the environmental things.
Wow.
So it all kind of works together.
Yeah, no, going back to the Queen Mary a little bit, like we didn't have any equipment back in the day.
Um, and yeah, we were just sitting in like a dark room and just really trying to put ourselves in the mindset that everything was real that we were experiencing.
Y'all worthy equipment, huh?
Exactly.
Yeah.
We didn't became the worthy equipment.
That was dope.
It was dope.
And yeah, no, just like as we've gotten like further in our careers and stuff, this is when we've like implemented new equipment.
That just helps us do the same thing that we did in 2018 out there.
It helps visualize it because like, you know, you can say, Oh, I felt something on my like shoulder, but how does like a viewer know that?
Right.
You know?
But if they can see a flashlight turn on, or if they can see a motion sensor detect motion, they'll be like, oh, well, that's really cool.
It's like visualize what we're experiencing.
Um, but a lot of times as well, now that we've done this for so long, like a big part of our show is we take people on these adventures so that they can be our like independent variable, you know, like this somebody else who doesn't believe, or maybe just like interested in it, but you know, it's not part of our channel or whatever, will come out and experience it for the first time.
We've had so many friends come in pretty much complete atheists or skeptics and walk away like, whoa, now I believe in ghosts.
Even like people that I'm like, there's no way, you know, maybe people older than us that are like, oh my whole life I've been atheist.
They walk away from one night being like, I've never seen anything like this.
I've changing my perspective, and it's beautiful.
So people to bear witnesses to what's going on.
Exactly.
Yeah, because I just wondered, were you guys just like you know, loitering for the spirit ops to show up or what was going on?
Like I just didn't know like what you know what kind of was happening.
They're like, why is this guy hitting here like 3 a.m.?
Like just waiting in the dark for the city.
They probably are like if you're a spirit and you're just seeing us and we're just like yelling.
You're like, are you here?
They're like, yeah.
Some of the shittiest spirits show up to talk to you guys, no offense, but it's like probably like the really smart like spirits are like I'm not talking to these dudes.
Also, you gotta think like why are why are they in like that this random amount of building?
They're just trying to fuck with us, you know.
It's like the smart guys we go hang out in the spa or something, not in this creepy building.
So at least we don't know who we're talking to.
Yeah, you guys are talking to some real low level spirits.
Yeah, definitely.
I never thought about that.
It's probably why we have so many scary experiences, too.
Exactly.
It's like who's the guy that's gonna hang out in the abandoned island, you know, like, oh well, he's gotta be weird.
So no one's well, he's weird from this realm, and he's gotta be way weird from the other realms, yeah.
He wasn't even allowed in the heavens.
They're like, Yeah, you just stay in that place over there, man.
Couple purgatory bad boys, man.
Damn, that's wild, dude.
Yeah, but it it it does go back to like, yeah, you're just wanting something, right?
And then and then I guess it makes sense because it's like anything you start to learn, then you want you know, you start to get the accoutrements of it, right?
Like if you are a doctor, you end up getting a stethoscope, right?
Right.
And uh it and then you get a patient, right?
Like you want to people to bear witness to whatever's going on.
Yeah, um definitely and that's what's like the the coolest part of it is like seeing other people's like change of perspective and like how they like then afterwards like go about their lives.
But yeah, for sure, dude.
I I I yeah, I think as far as the the equipment, that was my question.
It's like, yeah, are you guys just like metal detecting for bullshit or whatever out there, you know?
Like but net but when you incorporate the fact that you have to be willing, you have to want something, right?
Right, um that it can show up for you.
I just find that is so inspiring, no matter what, because we're all looking for some sort of ghost, you know.
Um we're all hoping that there's some spirit that comes up and tells us something, you know, or that that shares or something.
We're all wanting something to come along and make us feel more complete, you know.
Yeah, um, and what doper place for it to come from than the afterlife or the next realm, dude.
Exactly.
Because it feels hella inspiring as well.
For sure.
And I think it's like worth mentioning too that like this stuff doesn't happen every single time we go to a haunted place.
Like there are so many times that like we'll have videos that turn into like duds, even if we've traveled like across the world, um, where we have to like completely scrap it because nothing happens.
And so it really just depends on the spot and like the energy there.
Yeah, and it's not like constant either, like most of our investigations are like 12 hours and we cut it down to like an hour of like the craziest stuff, and only half of that is even like any evidence that we got.
So it takes a long time for these things.
It's not like you we out of everybody can just walk over and see Casper the Friendly Ghost tomorrow.
Like it's like you have to go to the most haunted places in the entire world and then also spend a very long time trying to like open yourself up for that.
Yeah, dude, I'm so thankful you guys came in, man.
This is awesome.
I just appreciate it.
It's just nice to have this kind of conversation, you know.
It's nice to be reminded of the fact that um we have a part kind of in this sounds kind of silly, but we have a part in what we believe, but uh that we have a part in things that are supernatural.
Definitely I think that's what it is that we that because we we alone are supernatural.
100%.
It's like crazy that we're even here.
It's fucking bizarre, dude.
Especially if you look at the other animals and stuff, dude.
They're all doing like normal animal shit.
We're out here, people are vaping.
People are lying to their parents.
Dude, if you were in the woods and you saw a bear lie to his parents and then sneak a piece of salmon or something, you'd be like, what the fuck then hit a vape real quick?
Dude, imagine you saw a bear get up every morning, all the other bears are out splashing in the water, and there's one bear just sitting on his computer every day.
It's like, what are you doing, dude?
Yeah, he's coding.
You guys have visited some of the most haunted places in the world that we know of right now.
Um are they different?
Is there a common link between all of them?
Like, what are you able to?
Is there sort of uh overall hypothesis that you can come up with uh through all that, or is it all just one by one?
Most of them honestly are are their own separate like entities or whatever, no pun intended.
Uh, to where like you'll go to like one spot and like learn a bunch of history about the place that's like maybe like 500 years old in the US.
It's not gonna have any correlation to like the a 500-year-old place in like France or something like that.
Um so I think every single spot comes with its own story and its own spirits.
There's also like human spirits, there's more like demonic things you could talk to as well, earthly spirits.
Um, so there's a lot of different like variables, I guess you could say, depending on like where you go.
Really?
So so some places have different types of spirits?
Yeah, it kind of depends on the history of what all happened there.
Um, and like how much trauma there is in a said place.
Because again, all of this is based on the energy that's at the location.
Is there one that stands out to you that kind of had a demonic energy?
Because that's an interesting word.
Yeah, I mean, okay, so one place that we went to for this October, we went to Pendle Hill.
And so that's a place that's considered one of the most haunted, or if not the most haunted place, the most haunted place in the United Kingdom.
Pendle Hill.
Pendle Hill.
P-E-N-D-E-L.
D-L-E.
Uh yeah.
But uh that was the home of the most infamous witch trials ever happened.
So, like basically 11 witches were killed, 12 or what um put on trial for doing witchcraft.
And at that time, a lot of witches turned to the devil because witches were outcasted by the church.
And so when they would turn to the devil, they made this place more like demonic and like it has this like devil satanic pull to it.
Wow.
And so we actually brought out a you know a witch, a witch that was doing witchcraft to summon the devil, and that was her main practice, and had her try to summon and channel the like the devil himself.
The actual and it was like literally like hundreds of years of witches on this exact hill have been practicing trying to speak with a devil, and we tried to recreate that as as close as possible, which was one of, if not the most terrifying thing we've ever done.
Yeah.
But like, for example, that would make a place more demonic if we have hundreds of years of people putting their effort and all of their power again.
If we're talking about opening yourself up to a spiritual thing, if all you're doing is putting that faith and that energy towards something demonic, you're gonna attract the demonic.
You're not gonna attract something that's like happy.
Oh, for sure.
Let me see this.
Pendle Hill is most infamous for its ties to the Pendlewitz trials of 1612, where several local women were tried and executed for witchcraft.
The area is steeped in legend.
Um, including tales of supernatural occurrences.
Does it have any more?
Can you give me a little bit more information about the witches?
Maybe you could say, like, look up the story of Allison Device.
This is how it all started.
How you guys found it?
Oh, this is how it all began.
That's how it all began.
I I wish we found this.
That's all the story of Alice Allah Device, Allison, is central to the infamous Pendle Witch trials of 1612 in Lancashire, England.
She was a young woman from a poor family who one spring morning encountered John Law, a peddler from Halifax while walking to Traudden Forest.
Allison asked him for some pens, a common request at the time, as pens were believed to have uses in folk magic.
Law refused, prompting Allison to utter a curse against him upon which Law soon collapsed, suffering symptoms that were later recognized as a stroke.
Called it.
Though at the time, this was believed to be a result of witchcraft.
Yeah.
And she was 12, by the way, when she did this.
Oh 12-year-old girl just meets a salesman.
She's like, Can I have some pins?
He's like, nah.
She's like, curse you, and he died.
And so they were like, this girl's a witch.
And so her and her family were all like accused of witchcraft, and then they all started blaming each other in the town.
But the weird part is like they all admitted to it.
They literally said on court trial, like, hey, I did use witchcraft to attempt to speak to the devil and summon him.
And so it's like, well, why?
You know.
Oh, the family said that?
Yeah.
So why did they why did they do that?
Because they thought they they were they were so upset by what had happened to her that they're like, well, we're gonna call the devil here.
Well, they they were they were admitting that even previous times they had already like they had already been in witchcraft and they've already got a few.
Oh, so her family was a little bit familiar with witchcraft.
Yeah.
Already oh, but also what's that dude doing just gooning around some 12-year-old?
Yeah.
You know what I'm saying?
Serves and right.
Bro, what are you lawyering around some 12-year-old for, dude?
So true.
Oh my god.
Bro, they're catching mad gooners back then.
They were that's the kind of shit that happens, dude, even a long time ago.
And she was the one that got arrested, not him.
It's like what?
It's like God, obvious.
Oh, that's crazy, though.
And imagine the energy of that at the time, and like she's young, and now she's put in this space where it's like, how did they execute them?
They hang by hanging.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So if you think about that, yeah, like 11 of them died, 10 of them by hanging, and that was accounted for 2% of all the witches ever that have been executed, all in this one trial, because the whole family admitted to witchcraft.
So it was a massive deal, and it's one of the most famous witch trials in history.
And because part of the thing was to be like freed from being like accused of being a witch, I guess.
You had to point the blame on somebody else.
Oh, the entire family basically like turned on each other, and like the little girl was like, My grandma did it.
She was like, What the fuck?
Yeah.
And then she was on the trial, and obviously.
But they didn't hear it right.
Yeah.
So weird.
Like, oh shit.
Now I'm dead.
Oh.
Dude, that's crazy.
That would be the craziest.
It's almost like the sickest game show ever, where it's gonna be you or you have to point the finger at somebody else.
Exactly.
Exactly.
And it's your mom.
Especially if there's nobody left.
What if it's down to you and your mom?
Yeah.
Do I kill her?
Oh god.
And then you both blame each other, so you're both dead.
And you're like, okay.
Yeah.
It's like those uh that meme or what at the uh Spider-Man.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's the first trials, man.
Yeah.
Oh crazy.
Yeah, that would be a lot of energy being over there.
One place that's like even worse than that, I think is uh my top scariest we've ever ever gone to is and will that be on Hell Week?
Will that be in well is that episode coming on you guys' Hell Week?
And how long is Hellweck?
It's one week of just all episodes of you guys.
So Hell Week is like the brand we've started for the last like five years.
Um, but this year we tr we switched it to Hell Month.
And so basically once a week we go to the most demonic places in the world, and we're leading up to Halloween.
So every Sunday until Halloween.
It's uh it's pretty terrifying.
But the by far, like like the scariest for me of of this entire Hell Month was going to the Paris Catacombs.
Oh my god.
I don't know if you ever heard of that.
I've been there actually.
You've been in the catacombs?
Yeah.
The illegal part or the legal part.
I'm not sure.
My buddy got a little um like uh whatever that's one of these.
Oh yeah.
Little tarsal or something.
Okay.
He got a bootleg tarsa off one of the staff there, like a little piece of bone.
Huh?
Oh, really?
Yeah.
Jeez.
So he's obviously not gonna be doing well.
Take a bone from the Ferris Catacombs and curse forever.
Yeah, dude.
I said, dude, just get some astronaut ice cream from the gift shop.
What's your problem?
But he wanted to be different, so he got a little piece of foot or something.
So there's like two miles of this tourist style, like this tourist part of the curse catacombs where you can legally go into, and then there's two hundred miles of illegal territory.
That's a whole labyrinth that doesn't even have a map, like seven stories, so like you can go up and down like different floors.
So yeah, you get lost very, very easily.
And there's six million dead bodies that are buried down underneath, and it's pretty much a mirror of Paris.
So if you think of how big Paris is, you're walking around there.
There's an equivalent underneath uh Paris itself, which is insane to think about.
And people go down there, get lost and die all the time.
And so basically we had to go down there and trust this like random guy that we'd met that day and be like, hey, don't leave us.
Because if you left us, we would die.
We've actually known people that have gone down there, and the guides will like take them into a corner and be like, hey, go check out that cave, steal their bags and run.
And like leave them there to die just to just rob them everything.
Cause who would even notice that they died because of all the other bones?
Exactly.
Just show them in the corner and they'll be like, no one's coming to save you.
Yeah.
It's like hundreds of miles of this, and it's all legal.
Bring that up.
Can you give me some information on that?
I didn't know it's like that.
Dude, I remember, oh my god, I forgot about this.
I was trying to like flirt with our tour guide down there.
And she was looking at me like I was the creepiest guy in the world.
First date in a bunch of skeletons.
In hindsight, I was like, eh, so and some dude in our group kept making these boner jokes and shit.
It was so dumb.
It was ridiculous.
He made like 40 boner, like, dude, that's a yeah, just chill out.
But he just wouldn't stop.
But yeah, I remember trying to flirt with this girl down there, and oh, she must have been like, This guy's a creep.
Place in the time.
Yeah, yeah.
But hey, shoot shooters shoot, right?
Exactly.
No matter what the circumstance.
That's it, bro.
What's a rib cage amongst friends?
You know.
The Paris catacombs refers to a vast underground network beneath Paris, consisting of approximately 200 miles of tunnels and passageways.
Well, these tunnels originally functioned as limestone quarries dating back to the 13th century.
They were repurpurposed in the late 1700s as an ossuary, a final resting place eventually holding the bones of more than six million Parisians.
That's unbelievable, man.
And there's really crazy structures down there.
So like they'll have like ritual rooms, they'll be like literal thrones made of human bones down there.
There's like all these things they call the bone rooms that are just like stacked super high of like towers of different bones.
It's like the most insane thing you've ever seen.
Like trying to to conceptualize seeing like a dead human, now see six million of them, and they're all stacked in weird formations, and there's like baptismal rooms and things like that.
That's the bone throne.
What?
Yeah.
That's a shitter.
I mean well, hopefully not.
It'd be crazy if it was, right?
Bro, you know someone's tried for sure.
Oh, definitely, dude.
I've never had stayed fret out the back, but I think I'd have it on that.
So it's oh god.
What was the the cause of all the deaths?
So a lot of it was just people that were dead above in the cemeteries.
Mainly from the plague.
Yeah, from the plague, and also Paris was just like a very popular city, obviously.
And so like over time, as it got like more and more people, they didn't have enough room for the dead.
And so they would just bring a lot of like people, like dead bodies down to just dump them in the tunnels.
Oh, yeah.
Down below.
There's nothing tackier than a dead dude when you're trying to have like a night, yeah, especially like on the Champs-Élysées or something like that.
Nothing's more tacky looking than some dead ass dude while you're trying to have like beautiful outfits and shit.
Well, you just throw them down, like oh, just leave them in the church.
Let's stick them underneath.
Yeah, it's like just putting something under the rug, really.
Paris's rug.
It's crazy.
And there was not only just like paranormal danger there that we like encountered, but also like extreme claustrophobia where we were like cave diving on like our hands and knees, essentially, like wading through waters that were freezing cold up to like our nipples and stuff, like walking around.
Yeah, imagine getting frozen nips in two mile in the catacombs.
Yeah, literally.
Uh-huh.
And then we're talking to ghosts.
And then I think the scariest of it all, actually, is the fact that there are known gangs that like roam around in the Paris catacombs that actively try to steal from tourists because they know it's so popular for people to try to go out there and film and like take things down there.
And so if you get close, which we actually, again, like we know a couple buddies that have had this happen to them, they'll be they'll come and just jump you.
Just take all your stuff and walk around.
Like, there's people that know the catacombs like the back of their hands.
And so when they encounter a tourist, they're like, oh, I got you.
Like, I'll just take all your equipment and like make you run.
Which is terrifying.
And what are you gonna do?
Grab a femur and beat somebody.
Like it would be almost the scary.
It would all feel so surreal if somebody's rocking you.
Oh, right.
And if they turn off your light, you're done.
You can't see this far ahead.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
We went to some other catacombs, and that was this is in uh Ukraine.
So not Paris.
But yeah, basically like that, all around the Paris catacombs.
And so that was part of one of the demonic places you guys checked out.
Yeah, yeah.
Got it.
So it was one of the four episodes of Hell Month, but it was like really surreal, because that was the closest we'd ever really been to like dead bodies.
And not to mention we got lost down there.
So like we had our guide that we had just met, Shadow Guestbard.
Uh and guest barred?
Guestard.
What an incredible name.
We were like, there's no way this guy's gonna leave us.
His name's Gaspar.
Like we have to find our way out of here.
Um, but yeah, we were like super, super late.
Like we were only supposed to be down there for like seven, eight hours, something like that.
And um we were like in our last investigation, realized like the time was up, and then it took us like another hour or two, maybe, yeah, to find like the exit because we would go to like where Gaspard thought there was gonna be like an uh exit to like a manhole, and the police would actively like seal it up with cement.
It was scary.
Yeah, three different uh three different exits we thought were exits, and they're all closed off.
And so we were like, Oh my god, not only are we now like two hours late, all the people that we told to like worry about us are now worried about us, but we actually don't know where to get out.
So we had to go all the way back to our original entrance, and it took so long, and everyone was like calling us.
We like came out and there's no service down there to a bunch of text being.
Are you dead?
Yeah, zero.
It's so terrifying.
Gaspod!
He led us to safety.
Let's go.
It was good.
The name Gaspard is a French and Parisian origin, it means bringer of treasure or treasurer.
Oh, he brought some treasures.
Yes, we treasured him a lot.
Oh, that is still a good name.
Yeah, that was actually one of the more crazy investigations.
So we use this uh thing called or this honestly, we actually just use a voice recorder.
So it's like a stereotypical voice recorder, but um, there was one rendition of this Japanese uh voice recorder that they actually recalled back in the 70s because they kept getting other voices and when they would like play back the voice recording, like they'd you know, talk a sentence, but then they'd get a couple other voices and sentences in it, and they're like, oh, this must be weird.
But then like later on, people were like, wait, no, these are legit other people talking in a room that nobody else is in.
So now we use this as like pieces of ghost equipment, and we can record on this voice recorder and ask a question and play it back, and there's actual conversations coming back to us that are not in the room.
And it's the thought that these voice recorders can pick up frequencies that the human ear can't hear.
And so it's a literal way to have a conversation.
And so we will ask someone, like we'll ask a spirit, like, you know, hey, like what are you doing here, or something like that?
Or like in this specific sense, we asked, like, uh, are you dead or alive?
just to see if it would fuck with us.
And it literally said, I'm alive.
Back.
Very clear.
Like super clear.
It was one of the craziest things I ever heard.
And again, that's why we bring guests that have never experienced this before, so that they can like see this for the first time.
And so like everybody was mind-blown.
Like, imagine you're sitting there underground next to thousands of skeletons, and you ask to a voice accorder, are you dead or alive?
You wait, you play it back.
There is a new voice that wasn't there saying, I'm alive.
And you're like crazy.
It's okay.
That's a bar, dude.
Fuck, that's a that's just a that's a skeletal drake.
We ran the fuck out of there.
We're like, all right.
Well, this is actually terrifying.
That's heavy, dude.
Yeah.
It was crazy.
Has there been an experience that hit you more emotionally than other experiences?
Dude.
Yeah, not to go back to the same uh video we were just talking about, but also during Hell Month this month, uh, we did the Pindle Hill, and Sam had mentioned that we were really trying to push the bar and talk to the actual devil himself.
And earlier I had mentioned like I'm Christian.
And so I that was something that I was just like, no.
Like I always feel like I'm overstepping the line, like being involved in the paranormal as a Christian as it is, being involved in like occult magic and stuff like that.
Yeah, you're yeah, I feel that.
It's which is hard.
It's like a mental battle for me, but at the same time, like when our team first decided or or came up with the idea of like maybe we can like invite a witch to summon the devil.
I was like, guys, like this is where I have to draw the line for like my which sounds like like duh.
Yeah.
And you just got this one.
And you did.
But no, but it's also interesting.
If you sometimes, if you want to talk to, you know, sometimes you gotta talk to this person to talk to that person, you know.
Exactly.
But um, but was that it but sorry, I stepped on you.
What were you saying?
Oh, it's all good.
It was just like, and we show it in the video as well, but like I basically pull Sam uh to the side right before he's about to do this like ritual, I guess you could say.
Um, and I had like a deep conversation with him where I was like nearly in tears talking to him about like, dude, like we're making like YouTube videos.
Like this is beyond that.
Like you are like meddling into some stuff that like I know you don't personally believe in, but this has like everything to do like with my faith, and I deeply believe in this.
Yeah, Sam's gone too far.
Yeah, for real.
And I was just like, We're like, yeah, fuck Sam.
Actually, comment down below.
So why are you doing that, man?
Legacy, let's hash it out here, man.
No, that was interesting.
Uh like jokes aside, it's where was that at?
Sorry.
Pendle Hill.
That was in Pendle Hill in UK.
Yeah.
I could see that, man.
I could see that because you you know, it's almost just like if you say enough bad stuff, it's like you bec you know, it's like you become what you do, you know.
It's like it's I could see that when you there's a reason why people probably don't do it that much.
Exactly.
Exactly, especially religious people like me.
But like again, I and more so just like spreading hope to people, and that's kind of how like I mentally cope with what I do for a living.
But like again, when it has to like delve into like hellish things, like literally talking to Satan, the devil himself.
I was like, you know what, I'm good on that one.
I'll just film like in the corner.
Yeah, maybe talk to Satan's secretary or whatever, but I need the big dog in here.
Exactly.
But do you ever see any ghosts like that are like hot chicks or like or is there ever any ghosts that are like yerking off or whatever?
Like there's some prostitutes out there, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I feel like ghosts are always just kind of fucking doing like trap shit.
I don't feel like any of them are ever like are any of them ever being sexy.
I wonder, or what are ghosts doing the most, I wonder.
Probably goon in behind the scenes.
Nobody can see him, you know.
Yeah, if you're invisible, what are you doing?
You know, if I were invisible, dude, I'd be freaking spraying, bro.
For sure.
I've already got a problem and I'm fully visible.
So no one's safe, dude.
Yeah, nobody's saved, dude.
Once I'm a ghost, bro, just freaking out, bro.
No, but you gotta think, yeah, like what are they doing?
Because they're not gonna be.
Once I'm a ghost, everything's all gratten, homie.
You feel me?
Exactly.
I'm spraying cheese dog type shit, boys.
No, everybody will know too.
If like in the afterlife, they're like, what was that?
Ah, Theo.
It comes in like uh haunts our videos later, and we're like, oh, that that's the eye.
Damn it, Theo.
You guys are just like, you always pretend it's bird shit.
You're like, oh no birds.
Must be actoplasm.
We're indoors.
You're like, oh, that bird shit on you.
All right, we're we gotta we got some problems.
Um yeah, we've got some problems, dude.
You know, most fellas enter the room weiner first, you know that.
Knock knock, who's there?
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Do you guys know if the US government has ever made a classification on paranormal activity?
Have they ever?
Um I think.
Have they have they ever acknowledged it like?
There was a president I've mistaken which one it is right now, but in the Bell Witch Cave Trials, um, which is actually here in Tennessee, I think.
Yeah.
Um there was a case where somebody died.
Um, and they ruled it in court as uh death by paranormal.
And actually, one of the presidents went to that location just to see the demons and confirmed that it was haunted.
So I don't know if that's like the government getting behind paranormal, but they have acknowledged things like that.
Wow.
I can read This case here.
Yeah, this one's really interesting.
The only widely cited case in which a death was officially attributed to paranormal causes is the Bell Witch haunting in Adams, Tennessee.
Specifically, the 1820 death of John Bell Sr.
John Bell, dude, and I think he's also the lead singer for widespread panic as well.
Love him.
Um many lives.
Yeah, he's had many lives, dude.
According to numerous sources, John Bell's death was attributed by his family and several contemporaries to the Bell Witch, a supernatural entity that tormented the Bell family beginning in 1817.
The case is notable because Tennessee is reported to have recognized John Bell's death as caused by this supernatural, making it unique in American legal and folklore history.
Um I think this is the only cited death that is like recognized as paranormal.
Wow.
Most people are thinking, most people think like, hey, you know, no one's died because of the paranormal, no one gets hurt.
But there's a lot of people that get hurt, and there is this one death that people have uh said.
And I think this is the case as well that a president at the time went to this location too.
John Bell's phenomenon grew so, and this is on perplexity.
Um the phenomenon grew so intense that John Bell developed a mysterious illness, and after finding a strange vial of black liquid next to his bed, oh that would trip me out.
If I even find like a girl's gum next to my bed, I can't even sleep good.
His son tested it on a cat, which died suddenly.
The Bell Witch allegedly claimed credit for poisoning John Bell, who died on December 20th, 1820.
Why would the kid give it to the cat?
Like, oh, here's some black tar liquid, like kiddie kitty kitty, kitty.
Come here.
It's like kid shit over.
It's like, oh fuck this cat.
See if he dies too.
He's like, I miss my dad, but fuck this cat.
That can't.
The US president who was most famously associated with a visit to the Bell Witch cave was Andrew Jackson as a general and later as president.
Jackson reportedly visited the Bell family property in Adams, Tennessee during the height of the Bell Witch disturbances.
According to legend and multiple historical accounts, Jackson and his entourage experienced unexplained phenomena and chose to leave early with Jackson famously quoted as saying he would rather face the entire British army than spend another night with the Bell Witch.
Isn't that crazy?
Andrew Jackson.
Bro, Ajack couldn't handle that broad.
And he's credible too.
It's not just some random like homeless guy they brought over like to like to assess the situation.
Like they brought the president who was like, dude, I'm not doing that over again.
It's crazy.
This guy wasn't taking DMT, you know.
Yeah.
Yeah, this is a credit guy at a sword.
He's like, I can't do shit.
Dude, that's wild though.
Right.
It makes me think about it makes me think about how like over the years, like schizophrenia and these different things, like we've recruited like we've we've given a lot of things a scientific term now, also to make them marketable to medicine.
But you don't think about how many of those things could just be also spiritual in nature.
Um, I'm not saying that schizophrenia is spiritual in nature, even though I'm sure the spirit is heavily affected.
But you just don't know.
You don't you don't know what something could have happened in a past life that's now come through and is affecting a spirit in this life or it affecting someone in this life, and it's a dis and it's just looked at these days as a semi-common disease that we have, but it's something that's far greater than that, or was used to be deemed that way, you know.
So true.
Yeah.
It's pretty wild.
Depends on what you believe, exactly.
Yeah.
It did seem more fun back then to believe in stuff too.
I think because more people were believing things.
Now a lot of our beliefs just like are looking at our phone, and before our beliefs used to like go into the air, you know.
It is really sad.
I feel like, yeah, we're like facing a really secular time of like everyone's just like, ah, like if I don't see it on Chat GPT, then I'm not gonna believe it type of thing.
But no one's like you said, like believing and like putting themselves out there to actually experience these things.
Because at the end of the day, it's so much harder to believe anything online, like anything over a you know, a video.
Yeah, I I wouldn't believe a ghost video from 10 years ago before I started this, and then I only started believing because I physically experienced it myself in person.
So I fully like, you know, empathize with all the people that are online watching our videos, being like, that's cool and all that you guys do this, but I can't believe it until I see it, you know.
So I would encourage a lot of people if you are like into this type of thing to actually, you know, go and experience these things or put yourself out there and try.
Uh Just like with faith.
It's like if you just try to take someone's word for it, you know, whatever.
But if you were to go to church and actually read these things and like go for it and really put yourself in there, then you might find God.
Oh, I'll notice the more I pray, the more when I walk into certain rooms or whatever, I could feel like my knees almost tingle a bit.
Like I want to hit them, right?
Like I want to hit, you know, it I want to hit my knees right there and pray, right?
And it becomes sort of a practice.
Like, yeah, for sure, whatever you practice and lean into becomes more of you, you know.
And we probably used to be more connected to the spirit realm overall.
You know, I'm sure like Native Americans, especially were so connected to it and like really lived by it and had a real like I bet they had like a real like gigahertz connection with like a you know what I'm saying?
For sure.
Also, you had time to think.
Now it's like the second that you go and take a shit, you're just like swiping TikTok or something.
It's like not like you have a single moment away from distraction and entertainment.
You don't have any second to wonder.
No, yeah.
But you know I know.
It's crazy not to have a second to wonder when we're at part of something that's so wondrous.
It's like it's almost baffling, dude.
We'll get to the end of our lives, and one of our last thoughts will be like, I was looking at my phone the whole time.
The entire Oh, that's a sad thought right there.
So true.
I was just looking at my phone the whole time.
Damn.
Like, I literally won't even believe I'm dead until I check my phone.
Did I send that email?
Sorry to get um let me tap right back in here just to finish this.
The US government has not officially acknowledged the existence of ghosts as real supernatural entities, but there have been legal and cultural instances where haunted properties or ghost stories were referenced because of their impact on property value or cultural significance.
Um there's actually a there's like a lot of like movies and stuff, obviously, that are based on like real life hauntings and and things like that.
Like things happen so crazily, like over decades, or like families get traumatized to the point that they become movies.
And uh what's awesome is you see, especially the recent ones that are happening in the last couple decades, there's so much documentation of them that it's really crazy to back things up and see these stories, and people would sometimes have video evidence or audio evidence of like people getting possessed and things like that.
And so it's really really cool when we get to like go to places like that.
Like, for example, uh I don't know if you just recently saw the conjuring video or conjuring house or the smurl house, yeah.
The smirl house, sorry, yeah.
Yeah, so the um the Smurl House conjuring movie just came out, it's called Last Rights, and that was based on the Smurl House.
But that was one of the cases that the most famous demonologist ever, Ed Lorraine Warren, investigated, and there was a demonic entity that was literally like petrifying this like family for 13 years.
They describe this demonic entity as like an eight-foot-tall lizard man with like red eyes and scaly like scales, I guess you could say that would physically escape.
Scale scales, dude.
Physically assault Jack and Janet Smurl, who were the parents and like lift them up from their beds and chuck them against the wall.
Holy and they don't have an HOA or anything.
Exactly, right?
Kick this guy out.
That's crazy.
Call the plumber.
You know what I'm saying?
Dude, but I believe something like this could happen.
The Smurl House haunting refers to a series of widely publicized claims of paranormal activity.
Um you guys tell us about it.
I don't need to read this.
What else do you guys know about it?
Oh, it says here the family's German shepherd was reportedly levitated and slammed into a wall.
Yeah, even the dog was attacked.
But every single member of the family was attacked, and we're talking like they would be picked up and thrown against the wall, like to the point of like the the wife like broke bones because of the spirit.
Like the a little girl in the family was thrown down the staircase.
You know, had to like the fan flew off the ceiling and smacked one of the little girls and almost killed her as well.
There were sexual assaults.
It was like the ghost word, like physically and sexually assaulting the whole whole family.
It was crazy.
That's gotta be the worst.
Because what if your parents come home?
It looks like you're yorking off or whatever, or you're sitting there just, you know.
Experiencing something.
Yeah, experiencing something with yourself that you caused your but you're not even it.
It's not literally like this is a demon.
And your mom, my mom would still have gotten pissed at me.
She fucking my mom would have blame it on me.
It's a demon.
I'm not even looking at it.
You know, yeah, I can't.
Dude, that's how it'd be so how did they come and go in their home?
Did you guys go there?
Well, like the Smurl House, we were the first people since the demonologist Ed Loran Warren, like we're the first people to investigate since then 40 years ago.
So it was really, really like a cool experience to be able to go in there and like understand like what was the haunting?
Like what actually happened there.
And there's two conjuring houses.
There's one that's really famous in Rhode Island, which is the videos that are being played right now.
And then there's this one that we haven't released yet.
It's coming out for our finale of hell month.
And yeah, nobody has been there besides Ed and Lorraine Warren uh like 40 years ago, 50 years ago.
Yeah.
And what what did it feel different?
Did it come at a different time?
Did it start differently?
Like how how do you ease into like a new place that that has a haunting, right?
That that that has an energy like that.
Like, do you approach it differently on the way there?
Like, do you bring certain things with you to set up an atmosphere?
Like, do you bring an altar?
Like, what do you like?
Is there some sort of like um precursor to your approach?
Definitely.
I mean, especially something like that that hasn't been investigated for so long.
And actually, at the time, 40 years ago, it was believed that and Lorraine Warren like brought in a priest and they didn't like an exorcism and got rid of the demon.
So, like theoretically, this place hasn't really been haunted for the last 40 years.
It's just in a regular family home.
So when you go back into there, it's mainly like the shell of the home of said spirit.
And so, in order to like make sure we were able to like contact that same person, we brought in a witch or a priestess.
Um she's our friend.
She actually like has helped us with a lot of these types of things and teaching us about the occult.
And she brought in a spirit board, which is pretty much like a good Ouija board.
It's not like one of those Hasbro ones you buy at Target.
It's like a real deal.
Like one a woodpecker would like.
Definitely.
Like homemade, all that stuff.
She does she actually helped us with a full-on like summoning ritual.
And that like brought in the spirits around.
Um, and we were able to talk to this thing like on a Ouija board.
And what's absolutely crazy about that is like I never really believed in Ouija boards.
I just thought, you know, it was fun gimmick, like, you know, especially the the ones at Target, you know, I guess whatever.
But when you do it correctly, like with a witch, it is the most insane experience you've ever had.
You put your fingers on this planchette, and I don't know if you ever seen a Ouija board, but there's a bunch of like letters and numbers all over this board, and it said that you know, you move this this planchette around and it spells things out.
But the feeling is so unlike anything you've ever felt before, where the wood gets pulled out from underneath your fingertips.
It is literally you can feel a different presence pulling you in directions like a magnet almost.
Yeah, sorts, a magnetism.
I never believed in the Ouija board until doing it like correctly with professional Pythian priestess.
And like I remember the first time we did it with her, like off camera, we were like, Did you do that?
He was like, No, like you definitely did that, and we were like, hell no, because like our fingers were going like it was crazy.
And it wasn't like this like a little slow thing.
It was like sometimes like yanking to like yes or no, or all around the board.
We're like, what is happening?
Like, I don't I can't believe this.
It's it's out of this world.
Well, especially if it's like priestess, what's your number or whatever?
You're like, oh, that's definitely that's cool.
Sack that's funny.
Uh like to that point though, like we'd ask questions, especially the first time we did it.
We'd be like, uh the first time we ever did that the first conjuring house, we asked the spirit, like, yo, do you like us?
And it's like, no.
It was like, what do you want from us?
And it was like, go away.
It was like, leave me, give me my piece pretty much.
And I was like, damn, okay, they don't fuck with us.
Because honestly, like spirits are just like people like in real life.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, if if there's like a bad person you meet in real life, there's probably gonna be a bad person in the afterlife.
That doesn't mean they're like a demonic thing, but like, yeah, you'll run into like bad apple sort of people all the time that just don't want to talk to you or anything, which is understandable.
Yeah, that's wild.
You kids, yeah, it could just be somebody who's just chilling, somebody's having lunch or whatever, and you guys are bothering them or something.
Exactly.
Up, dude.
Summon them to a Ouija board and they're like, fuck off, like you can't leave.
It's like you're like calling out, like, you know, cold calling somebody, and they're like, God, just shut up.
Like, I don't want to talk, right?
Or they're like, I'm gay or whatever.
You're like, What it doesn't matter.
What?
You're welcome here either way.
It's all good.
You're safe with us, guys.
Yeah, dude.
Like a long time ago, people cared about that, but that's totally normal now, dude.
It's just an emotional experience.
He's like, really?
Some ghost has been waiting forever to come out of the closet, and he finally gets it through a Ouija board, and you're like, dude, nobody cares.
Dude, Everybody John is gay.
He's like, all right, thank you.
70% of people are gay, dude.
Chill, bro.
Chill.
But dude, what was crazy about this like recent experience with the spirit board at the And this was at the SMRL house, and this was where the conjuring was.
Conjuring last rights movie.
Okay, got it.
Where they filmed it at.
Uh no.
Where it allegedly happened at.
Yeah, that based on the true story.
Got it.
And it's this tiny duplex.
Had this been messed with before?
Did it look the same as when back then?
Uh I mean the family had lived there.
Yeah, like if you look at the old tapes from Ed Lorraine Warren, the demonologist that helped try to save this house, you'll see like exactly the same layout and everything.
Like it looks like it did 40 years ago.
It's really so some of these places, it's like going back in time too.
Definitely.
Time capsules.
Yeah, we were doing the spirit board session in the living room of this duplex.
And again, like imagine just like a regular house.
Like there was literally cheeses like on like the counter and stuff like that.
Like uh yeah, somebody lived there.
And we uncovered the craziest evidence about the Smurl family that could actually get us in trouble.
No joke.
And so like when this comes out, like in on Halloween, dude.
It's gonna cause like an uproar in like the paranormal community of things.
That's what I'm talking about.
Yes, sir.
Dude, I wonder if there's like an apparent like a bus stop that had like a crazy ass like the a lot of people.
I'm just trying to think of neat places that aren't like kind of like um that aren't uh like a building or something where you could investigate also.
Have there been places like that?
Yeah.
I mean, um where there's not like an edif to like an entity, like a building, like a Yeah.
I mean, like to that point, you would think that everywhere could be potentially haunted, right?
Like it's it doesn't have to be a location, it's just that maybe places that are a location have more energy, or they were a home in a past life, and so it's like more likely.
Like you said, maybe a bus stop, or maybe you know, like a favorite area to play, is like on a playground or something like that as a kid.
You don't know, and maybe something has a deeper meaning or connection to a human, and that could be haunted.
Yeah, there's a lot of times like we'll go to a spot and it's not like haunted by something like evil or scary, but sometimes there was you know, like a big like for example, we own a spot called for our elementary in Iowa, and it used to be like for our elementary for our for our elementary.
It's a school, it's a real school, real school.
You guys own it?
We own it.
Uh-huh.
We're principals.
We're principals.
Oh, yeah.
Uh and is it functional?
Uh it's functional for like ghost hunting tours.
Oh, okay.
Okay, decades of it.
Yeah, it's not like we're teachers.
Yeah, there it is.
Yeah, we we own the school.
But it used to be a hub, uh, like uh what, like a hundred years ago, where like a lot of people would just go there and party.
So all the spirits there were a lot of the spirits there, just like hang around because it was a cool spot in life.
It was the like center of the town, so not only was it an elementary school at the time, but it was also where people like got married.
It's also where people had dances, they had basketball games, they had everything at this like one area, and so a lot of the spirits there are like really nice.
So it's it's cool.
Um, and even like outside of this area, like even in the woods or at the playground, this all's gonna be like haunted locations.
Crazy.
It's interesting to think about how I show up to places and then what I want out of them, whether that place is an actual building, you know, or if it's uh to show up to spirits, whatever you want, you know?
It's it's just about like how I show up and what do I want.
Right.
You know, that could be if I'm going to get an education, if I'm going to summon a entity, it could be anything, you know?
Yeah.
If I'm going to have a relationship with somebody, you know.
Dude, I freaking texted this girl today, dude.
And I'm afraid to look at my phone because I don't know if you're texting me back, dude.
Yeah.
Is that it?
What was the opening line?
Can you spell?
Yeah, I like I got I I met her the other night, and I felt like we like had some chemistry, right?
Like I felt like there was something there, right?
Cool.
You know when you feel like there's something there.
Yeah.
You know, you know when you meet someone, you feel like there's something there, right?
Because you meet a lot of people who's nothing there.
Sometimes you pretend there's something there.
Sometimes you have two drinks and pretend there's something there.
It's like the two drinks can create something there.
Those are those And those are not real.
That's just you making your own EMFs, right?
But uh but I felt like there was something there.
So I got her number, and then I sent her a text today.
I said, uh, hey, my buddy was thinking about asking you out.
Also, my buddy is me.
She's gonna fucking say no, dude.
Fuck.
Where's your confidence level on here?
One to ten.
Like you think you feel good about this?
No.
Shit.
It'll be all right.
It'll be all right.
It'll be gonna respond.
I don't know.
But I was screaming afterwards like there was an entity in me of like that always got rid that is just constantly rejected that energy was fucking summoning like the most rejection in the world.
But anyway.
You gotta summon that positivity.
Yeah, you're right.
I gotta change that up a little bit.
What are some of the most haunted places in America?
Have you do we is there even a map that shows that?
I'm sure you guys know this.
Mm-hmm.
Oh, yeah, there's a bunch that are like really cool.
So um what's the most haunted state?
Do you know it?
Probably on the East Coast somewhere.
Yeah.
East Coast is like way.
You gotta think it's way older, you know.
So like way more history has happened in there.
Um yeah, there's a couple that are like really cool.
So obviously the conjuring house that we talked about is a massive place in Rhode Island.
There's a couple of really really cool spots, like the Winchester Mystery House.
I don't know if you ever heard of that.
There is a house in San Jose, California that has like a hundred and thirty rooms or something like that.
It's insane.
It was built for like almost a century.
Uh purely to try to like, you know.
Like have you ever heard of uh Winchester Rifles at all?
So it's that that family like owned this estate.
Yeah, and it's believed that actually this has become like some sort of uh hub for spirits.
Like there's so many rooms and it's so like known to be haunted that that people bring spirits, they like drop their spirits off here.
It's almost like a grand central station for spirits now.
Uh and it's yeah, this is definitely one of the most haunted places in the Hogwarts train station kind of exactly.
That's so cool.
You guys went there?
Yeah, it's really crazy.
I mean, even if you don't believe in ghosts, it's one of the coolest things in the United States.
It's pretty magnificent, huh?
Yeah.
And where is that located?
San Jose.
California.
Oh, interesting.
And it's crazy because like all none of the architecture makes sense.
It's like there will be three store three steps up to a floor and then seven steps down to another floor, or like staircases that lead to nowhere, or like a door that if you open on the second floor will just drop you down and you'll fall off.
Like there's no patio or anything.
It's like the most bizarre thing you've ever seen.
Uh and it's pretty s it's pretty spectacular.
Wow.
It's crazy.
There's things like that, or like uh on the other side of the United States, there's this thing called the Trans Allegheny Lunatic Asylum.
And it's like the second biggest asylum like ever made or something.
And there's like hundreds of rooms uh about people that used to get lobotomies, and so it's a pretty tortured tortured spot.
It's one of the creepiest places we've ever been.
Wow, that place looks magnificent.
It almost looks like um University of Syracuse.
It's as big as a university.
And this that building right there is only one of like 20 on the property.
It's a historic former psychiatric hospital located in Weston, West Virginia, best known for its haunting atmosphere, architectural significance, and role in the history of mental health care in the US.
The asylum originally followed the Kirkbride plan, a psychiatric hospital design emphasizing space, light, and therapeutic architecture.
Um, many patients were admitted for reasons now considered unscientific, such as asthma, laziness, and domestic troubles.
If you could be your wife, like you could go to this asylum.
Even if you tickle her hard if she's sensitive.
Dude, people will get admitted like they like husbands would drop their wives over there if they were like reading a bad book or something.
It was bad.
Like pretty much you could just leave your wife to die type of thing.
Um but yeah, in that specific location in the asylum was one of our craziest experiences ever.
We were just asking out to see if anything could, you know, do a knock or give us a sign or whatever.
And between Colby and I, we heard like a pretty scary old man voice say the word Lily, like in our ears.
And it was like, what?
And apparently like, yeah, we asked around and Lily is a spirit that is known to be like a child figure.
That's actually more of like this darker entity.
But like we heard it with our ears and there was like three other people that were around that also like vouched for us.
Then we're like, wait, no, there was another voice that was not in between you two that talked.
And the camera caught it.
So it's on camera, but the recorder that we were using asking questions didn't.
So it makes no sense that like the voice could only show up on one thing.
Unless the hertz of it or something was a certain.
Is it called hertz?
What is it called?
Yeah.
Frequency.
Yeah.
Unless the frequency of it, the audio frequency of it was a certain pitch or pentameter or something.
I believe there's so many different like frequencies that we just do not have the ability to calculate.
Yeah.
Hearing or seeing like you just look at this color scale of what I can see and it's nothing.
It's like, I don't know, like 10%.
of actual I don't know whatever you're looking at yeah we only have five senses dude yeah and they're great I'm not saying anything God they're good but I'm also saying dude s what if we had like 40 senses and we're pulling in all that information.
Yeah who knows maybe we will one day when we die what if what what's one last thing we could go in that would be good for you guys you guys think that's interesting.
Oh maybe what would make you stay around to be a ghost that's so funny.
Um honestly if Sam still had the YouTube channel and I passed away I would just like make that shit viral as hell like I'd be following him to every like every haunted place and just shove him down the stairs to just like torment me but I'm like hell yeah this is the craziest are you here and you just fall down a flat of stairs slap me in the face.
Oh he's here guys I want to levitate so I do if you can do that it'd be great.
Dude thank you thank you guys so much man this has been awesome dude yeah appreciate this is awesome it's been cool it's been good to get to meet you guys and just like uh yeah we can just stay in touch or something you know it it's just been fun and I needed something that was just a good conversation you know so thank you yeah I love how open you are about this I mean a lot of people like ah the ghosts whatever that's not real but I feel like you get the mindset that we go into with it.
whether or not you believe in it or not, like I like the mindset.
Yeah, I think, well, I think it surprised me, you know, because Dave Attell is one of my favorite jokes.
He's like, I was watching, and I'm paraphrasing it, but he's like, I was watching Ghost Hunters the other day.
It involves two of my favorite things, wandering around aimlessly and sheer disappointment.
That's so funny.
And I've always loved that joke.
It's so good, right?
That's hilarious.
But I never had thought of it in the sense of like, I want something to be here, right?
I want something to be here and I've been thinking about stuff like that in my life recently just like meeting God halfway meeting the spirits halfway that are out there like how can I show up to receive the best things that are out there waiting for me you know um and that would also kind of translate to real life too like whether spiritual or like like you said like show up to your next like friend gathering or your family or like your relationship like putting in that effort to get what you want out of it.
Yeah right like sometimes I want my holidays to be great and I'll just think that somebody else is gonna make them great like I go there I go in the living room I yell about a casserole or something shows up that I talk shit and I take a nap then I eat and nap and then I leave and I'm like God I wish our family had connected better.
Like fuck that casserole by the way.
But it's like that's what I brought to it you know right but I'm still expecting this other thing.
So I think um just having a whole nother way to look at that and then ask like if I wanted to like my father's passed away everybody has family passed away but to say hey dad I'm thinking about you today.
Yeah share with me what you're thinking you know think with me feel with me.
I want to feel your feelings today or I want to know you love me today.
Like not be afraid to speak out like we have this voice in this thing like when we open our hands up to the world to the sky to the universe you feel something right that's not mythological.
And so I think that that's uh this is just a great reminder.
Um before you guys go is there a goat of ghost hunting is there a is there someone like who was the first ghost hunter like is there a goat probably Ed and Lorraine Warren are like the goats.
They're more demonologists though if you want to get technical about it.
Also Zach Begins is our game.
Zach Fagans is our father dude Zach Vegans Zach Bacon Baez heard of him he has this crazy museum out in Vegas I really recommend going to he is the father of paranormal he does T V ghost adventures, if you've seen that show.
Like the ghosts are scared of him, you know?
Like obviously.
Macho dude.
Tall.
Yeah, he's like the kid rock of ghosts kind of.
Sexy.
What are you talking about?
Okay.
Everybody loves him.
We'll uh maybe just me.
Dude, yeah.
If you have if you ever go to Vegas, you should go to his museum.
He's like really sick.
Not gonna lie.
Uh he has a bunch of like haunted objects, and we actually got to hold some of the most like haunted dolls in the world.
Um here, which is like really, really crazy.
Uh yeah, there's something special that people are about to collect collect these things and put these types of situations together.
Yeah.
Um happy early Halloween, guys.
Yeah, happy Halloween.
It's an exciting time.
It's always been my favorite holiday.
Same by far the best holiday.
You know, only done for the spooky stuff, but also just like dressing up.
Well, I feel like the vibes are happier now.
Yeah, and it's kind of the only time people even go talk to their neighbors anymore.
You'll run over there.
Bag of candy.
Poison candy.
Exactly.
Like, give me some candy.
People don't even know their neighbors, but now they will send their kids.
They'll send a kid covered in a sheet, right?
With two eye holes that are barely running right through traffic just to go get a baby snicker.
It's a beautiful season.
It's a great time.
It's a beautiful season.
For sure.
Happy Halloween.
Sam and Colby, you guys is uh Hell Week will be out over the next month.
Um and those episodes are coming out, and uh people can tap into what's going on with you guys.
Um, yeah, thanks for just all the years of entertainment to your commitment to it.
I'm sure it's been challenging and uh in certain moments, and we didn't get to talk about some of that kind of stuff, dude.
But um, yeah, this is just awesome, man.
I really appreciate y'all's time.
And uh yeah, I'll I'll keep in mind if there's something that I feel that's a little bit haunted that I want to get back to.
Let us know.
Sounds good, man.
I wish we could travel into our past and and deal with a spirit there.
I wonder if there's a way to kind of like there's a lot of like past life regression talk that like people kind of see themselves in past lives and like yeah, or be haunted in past lives type of thing, which is really interesting.
But hold hold another story for another time.
Amen, brother.
You guys have a good one.
Yeah, thank you, man.
Now I'm just falling on the breeze, and I feel I'm falling like these leaves.
I must be cornerstone.
Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this piece of mine I found.
I can feel it.
In my bones.
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