This Past Weekend - Theo Von - #616 - Retired Boston Detective

Oct. 9, 2025 - This Past Weekend - Theo Von

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#616 - Retired Boston Detective

Kara Connolly is a former detective and police officer who recently retired following a 30+ year career in the Boston area. After her time as a patrolwoman she transferred to the Human Trafficking Division where she worked undercover. Kara joins Theo to talk about some of her most unique cases as a detective, going undercover on Backpage to target sex-buyers, and her thoughts on why crime enforcement has softened in recent years. ------------------------------------------------ Tour Dates! https://theovon.com/tour New Merch: https://www.theovonstore.com ------------------------------------------------- Sponsored By: Celsius: Go to the Celsius Amazon store to check out all of their flavors. #CELSIUSBrandPartner #CELSIUSLiveFit https://amzn.to/3HbAtPJ Rocket Money: Go to http://rocketmoney.com/theo to cancel your unwanted subscriptions. Blue Chew: Go to http://bluechew.com and use code THEO at checkout for your first month free. Sonic: For a limited time, redeem a free large drink when you purchase a Sonic Smasher: https://www.sonicdrivein.com/menu/burgers/sonic-smasher/ Valor Recovery: To learn more about Valor Recovery please visit them at https://valorrecoverycoaching.com/ or email them at admin@valorrecoverycoaching.com Perplexity AI: Ask anything at https://pplx.ai/theo and download their new web browser Comet at https://comet.perplexity.ai/ ------------------------------------------------- Music: “Shine” by Bishop Gunn Bishop Gunn - Shine ------------------------------------------------ Submit your funny videos, TikToks, questions and topics you'd like to hear on the podcast to: tpwproducer@gmail.com Hit the Hotline: 985-664-9503 Video Hotline for Theo Upload here: https://www.theovon.com/fan-upload Send mail to: This Past Weekend 1906 Glen Echo Rd PO Box #159359 Nashville, TN 37215 ------------------------------------------------ Find Theo: Website: https://theovon.com Instagram: https://instagram.com/theovon Facebook: https://facebook.com/theovon Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thispastweekend Twitter: https://twitter.com/theovon YouTube: https://youtube.com/theovon Clips Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheoVonClips Shorts Channel: https://bit.ly/3ClUj8z ------------------------------------------------ Producer: Zach https://www.instagram.com/zachdpowers Producer: Trevyn https://www.instagram.com/trevyn.s/ Producer: Nick https://www.instagram.com/realnickdavis/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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	Before we begin, I'd like to say that some of the conversation from today uh is kind of graphic in nature.
	Um we're talking about police work and detective work and some of its intents.
	Uh if if those types of conversations are not for you, then please make that choice for yourself.
	Thank you.
	Today's guest is a retired Boston police officer and detective.
	She had over 20 years on the force before she joined the human trafficking unit and fought criminals in that world.
	We learned a lot about what it's really like out there, and I want to thank her for her service.
	Today's guest is Miss Cara Connelly.
	I love this guy.
	I love this guy.
	Yeah, my hair, I've been losing some hair because of stress.
	Yeah, it happens, sucks.
	Yeah.
	You just go in the sink and you got handfuls.
	Yeah, you just wake up and it looks like you look back and you're like, oh.
	On your pillow, yeah.
	Yeah.
	It's gross.
	Your pillow's got sideburns on it or something.
	You know, your pillows using a curling eye.
	It's a mess, yeah.
	You've dealt with it.
	Yeah.
	In the past, yeah.
	Yeah.
	And is it was it stress from work?
	Uh yeah, and other things, but the the monoxil definitely helps because I was I called my doctor and like, oh, she can't see you for nine months.
	And I was like, Well, my fucking hair's falling out.
	And they're like, Well, you could see the nurse practitioner in two months.
	I was like, no.
	So I went to one of those online things and they sent me Minoxidil in like three months I had a little ball baby hairs sprouting out and came back.
	So it does help.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, yeah.
	That's what I'm realizing.
	I just gotta uh yeah, just taking some time just to enjoy do things just that I enjoy.
	That's what I'm that's like my focus right now is just to do things that I enjoy.
	Um because I'll I'll let added stress stay on me as well, you know?
	Yeah, of course.
	That's what I'll do.
	Yeah, and not realizing that everything's gonna be okay.
	You know?
	That's my my boyfriend's here with this.
	And when I was nervous about today, and he's like, it's all gonna be okay.
	Yeah.
	It really is platitudes.
	Yeah, everything's gonna be okay.
	Um Cara Connolly, thank you so much for joining us.
	You are a retired uh police officer and detective from Boston.
	That's correct.
	And uh you were on the forces for thirty Thirty one years.
	Thirty-one years.
	Yeah.
	And you started out in Dorchester, I think.
	Yeah, when I graduated the police academy, um, they send you to a couple of different places to tell you you're on probation or whatever.
	And I went to a part of the city called Dorchester.
	Wait, probation, they send So when you you join the police department and you go through the police academy.
	Okay.
	And then when you get out, now they do it for a year, but when I did graduate, it was six months.
	And they have you um you basically it's probationary period to see if you're you know good enough, behave enough, or do the right thing um for like six months.
	So they send you to a couple different places, like one busy district, one quiet district.
	So they start you like a probationary period somewhere.
	Yes.
	And you might stay there, they might move you, but that's how you're on probation for six months and then you're you know a full-time police officer after that.
	Okay.
	And what were those first years on the force like um like in South Boston, was it?
	Yeah, so I it's actually born in South Boston.
	So I was in Dorchester and then I was in South Boston.
	So Boston at the time was a quieter district.
	Dorchester was very, very busy.
	In the nineties, it was like in Boston was a ton of shootings and gang stuff going on.
	Um so comparatively speaking, South Boston was a quieter place to end up for several years.
	And what were the demographics of that area like where you were servicing?
	Uh kind of everywhere.
	Um Dorchester's a different um different demographic in South Boston, um, population wise.
	Now South Boston's very hip and like it's all young kids, but with the time, obviously it was like all just kind of families.
	Um pretty quiet place at the time compared to other districts were like, you know, shooting every couple of days.
	So is it mostly white, black, Latino, Asian?
	Dorchester at the time when I was first there was um a lot of blacks, some white, some Asian.
	Um and South Boston at the time was mostly white, but but some black and Latinos.
	Got it.
	And who are the people they call Southeast?
	Because you hear that a lot.
	Southeys is not a thing.
	Um you could say you're from Southie, but it's not it's not that's not pluralized.
	There's no S on the end of it.
	But um so I'm from Southie, but I never said that growing up.
	We always said South Boston.
	But most people said I'm from Southie.
	Okay.
	It's just a nickname for the part of town.
	Right.
	But so so you're not like do but do other people call you Southies or the Southies?
	No, people from like out of the city who hear about it became popular because it was in Goodwill Hunting, was in South Boston.
	So it that's kind of what put on the map.
	So when people started moving there and didn't know any better, that's how they would say it.
	But people who grew up there back in seventies, eighties or whatever didn't uh say it like that.
	That pub that they, you know, they filmed in became like a big thing, L Street Tavern and and uh that was like around the corner from where I grew up.
	And and were the people there distrustful of police at the time.
	What was the relationship like between No people in Salty like like the cops of compared to other parts of the city.
	Yeah.
	I think in my experience.
	I mean it was a quiet place when I worked there.
	Most of the stuff that kind of good stuff that happened or whatever crazy or calls I've been on happened when I was a detective patrolman was pretty quiet.
	Do you remember one of your first like big like calls as a patrolman that was like oh this is real.
	Like do you remember that like a first moment where you're like this is pretty real.
	Well a lot of the calls that's funny a lot of the calls when um it comes in like you know person with the gun call like I still remember my first person with the gun call I was shitting my pants because I was like oh my God, you know and it turned out to be bullshit.
	It wasn't even real.
	So a lot of the calls are like that.
	You don't know they're fake until you get there.
	So you're like an adrenaline dump in the car and you're like oh my God this is real and I remember being like what am I gonna do?
	Nothing it was a big nothing burger.
	Were you putting lipstick on or what I mean what are you even doing no there was no lipstick when I was a patrolman.
	No.
	Yeah like would you like powder up your face a little bit or something.
	No one powdered their face on the way to a call that wasn't it.
	No that wasn't a thing.
	Yeah that's just in Charlie's Angels huh?
	Yeah.
	What was it like being an officer in the 90s in that time period?
	Like was that way different than you think it is now?
	Yes.
	I think so.
	I mean obviously they the gang the the rate of shootings in Boston was much higher than um I forget what our highest homicide rate was in the early 90s.
	It might have been like 150, 160 people.
	Now Boston has like 35 a year.
	So it was a big difference.
	Uh it's it's become much safer whether everyone the gang's kind of aged out and they all went to jail or you know got shot or moved on in life whatever happened it became um much safer I'd say there's no money in being in a gang either.
	I think a lot of people are like oh this is a shitty business you know um this says 1990 the homicide peak Boston's homicide count hit an all time high of 152 cases with much of the violence concentrated among youth and in and involving firearms.
	Um the spike was driven by gang violence, crack cocaine epidemic and easy access to handguns.
	Yeah so the 90s are a little different than now for sure.
	Compared to then how do you feel like police work is different between now and then do you have any thoughts on that?
	I don't know.
	I mean the whole like community policing aspect aspect started when I was new so that that's kind of still progressed along I think that was that mean community policing well that's what they call it at the time they had walk and beats so when I got on um you wouldn't be in a cruiser like you'd walk the neighborhood kind of like they do in in New York City.
	They have people walking around there's not a lot of cruisers.
	And so they they would put people in certain parts of the city like when I got on for example and I worked in Dorchester I think there were like seven or eight walking beats up and down like kind of the main street in the town.
	And now excuse me there's only a couple and and they just put those on again.
	So they're kind of trying to get back to that.
	Um so that was very different.
	Like people who did the walking bits full time like knew everyone in the neighborhood that was the whole purpose is to get people into the neighborhood so people feel comfortable speaking to the police.
	Except the neighborhoods where they put the walking beats were usually the worst neighborhoods and people didn't give a shit.
	They didn't want to talk to us.
	So it didn't matter anyway.
	No, not the parts of the city where they had them now it's it's different um they don't have as many walking beats at all.
	They they push a lot of the social media stuff like the dance the the dancing cops is the fucking worst it's so cringy and they the department all the police departments do that.
	They put it out to try to be like look we're excessive oh see it's so so embarrassing.
	Oh I haven't even seen this it's just it's so goddam cringy.
	Are these real cops?
	That's usually the I don't know about them.
	Yeah it says they are oh my well at least at least they can dance like when I when our department puts it out it's like she's like right cops like look we're playing basketball with the kids and you know let's all do especially during COVID.
	It's just it's so cringy.
	They just point out the other day for female uh woman police law enforcement day and they had like women dancing and my some of my girlfriends and I sent it back and forth like this is so wants to see dude the last thing I want is my cop dancing over there.
	Is that what you're looking for when you call for help someone to show up at start dancing like you want someone who's gonna give you a hand.
	Yeah It's just I know they're trying to soften their image.
	They don't want to look like paramilitary anymore.
	They want to look friendly and not scary and whatever.
	Whether it works or not long term, I don't know.
	Yeah.
	You get promoted to detective in 2005.
	Seven.
	2007.
	Okay.
	And what is what what does it mean to to become a detective?
	What does that mean exactly?
	So to become a detective back then you had to take an exam.
	So it's like a six-month to year-long process.
	You have to study for several months, and there's like six or seven textbooks you have to read.
	So you take the exam and then they do kind of like an oral interview, depending on how you score on the test, and then they kind of combine your years of training and experience, your test score and your interview to say, okay, these people have been high enough score to get made detective.
	So and then you do like a month's worth of training back at the police academy to being a detective and versus a patrolman, it's very, very different.
	Uh, first of all, you know where a uniform, which is my favorite part.
	Um, but it's just completely different job.
	Like you're now responsible.
	Cop gets a call, they go to the call, they write a report, and that's the end of it until they have to go to court.
	If the report that the cop writes about, it gets assigned to a detective, and now you own that.
	Like so you have to follow through, you have to follow up and go to court or take out criminal charges or whatever.
	So it's it's a very different job.
	Is there a lot of lobbying to become a detective?
	Like whenever you're like on the force, or people like I want to be detective, and and then do people is there any way to manipulate things so it betters your chances of becoming a detective, or is it not like that?
	Not like that.
	So everyone, if anyone's a patrolman, doesn't want to be a patrolman for long.
	I was a patrolman for 13 years, which was a long time.
	We had usually they do the detective's exam every two or three years.
	And for some reason we had a seven-year break because I didn't take it.
	I just had a child, and I was like, I'll take the next one a couple of years, and it was seven years.
	So I was a patrolman for a long time.
	So people It was seven years to the next promotion.
	Yeah, till the next exam.
	Oh so it was a long wait.
	Um, but people want it just because it's better than being a patrolman.
	Some people love being a patrolman and will do that their entire life, but most people either want to take an exam and become the supervisor, like a sergeant and lieutenant and keep kind of going up the chain, or people are interested in being a detective.
	So it's definitely desirable, you know.
	Do you remember an early case as a detective that really kind of stood out to you?
	Um yeah, I had a good arm robbery once.
	Um that sounds like an October and a good arm robbery.
	It's great.
	A little good arm robbery.
	It was on Halloween, uh, which is always one of the worst days of the year to work.
	Fourth of July, Halloween sucks.
	They were always crazy.
	But we had an arm robbery of a it was a cell phone store in the morning.
	It was in the morning.
	It was like 9 30 in the morning.
	The store just opened up.
	And these two dudes went in and there was some girl where a young girl, early 20s working there by herself.
	It was in a shitty part of town.
	And they literally tied her up with like telephone cord around her wrists and her ankles, and they stole it was like 800 bucks or 785 dollars, whatever it was.
	Um, but the feds ended up taking it because it was a uh T-Mobile, and they can kind of loop in the um Commerce Act, like by saying it because commerce was halted with other states, it becomes like a federal case.
	But the guys ran off, and the girl, it was like something out of a movie.
	It was all on video.
	She literally hopped over to the phone, all tied up with her ankles and they put a gun to her head and everything.
	It was two guy firearms, and she was terrified.
	And they um she hopped over to the phone and like knocked it off with her head and was like calling for help.
	At least she's in a phone store though, like at least like but she was able to do that, and then it came in quick.
	So a couple of the guys from work, everyone it would I worked with the best people on earth in Dorchester.
	They really were great, great cops.
	And they just kind of flood the area right away and their descriptions going out, and one of the uh officers is actually one of my police academy classmates, ends up seeing these two guys walking down the street and but a description of a given out to clothing.
	They left like a trail of clothing down the street.
	They tried to drop everything and change their appearance.
	It's hard to run and change at the same time.
	Yeah, so they they were just kind of, yeah, walking down the street and really nice.
	It's actually a little teeny is a nice neighborhood in this bad section of town.
	So they kind of stuck out, and but then he sees the trail of clothing jackets and hats and shit left behind.
	So he called it in.
	These guys, one of them had on gloves, but the other one had band-aids and tape around his fingers, so he wouldn't leave any um fingerprints.
	And as the guys uh everyone went up there, the patrolmen were talking to him.
	He notices them going like they're picking away to try to get the the band-aids and tape off their hands, and then another officer in the area was searching, she's looking in trash cans and she found the guns, and then someone found the box, the money box.
	So it was uh that was a that was a pretty good one.
	It was an exciting one.
	Yeah, it was just it came together nicely.
	Everyone worked like did so well together.
	Every was like everyone was there at the right time to do the right thing.
	And then the feds took it and they had they had serious criminal records, both of them, one of them but doing arm robberies all over the city.
	It was like the same guy hit like five or six places.
	Um we were glad to get him.
	They got because it was federal, they got like 20 something years each.
	One of their brothers was a truck driver, and he that's how they got the guns.
	He was a cross-country truck driver, and he would be he would bought guns in Arizona and then brought them back here.
	Is that the way they're transporting guns across state lines?
	I think they didn't end up prosecuting him because he basically testified against his brother.
	But what made it such a big what made the sentencing so severe?
	Because they were um the way the feds do it in federal court is um they basically add up it's a point system and depending on how many charges or cases, how many times you've been found guilty, then you're considered an armed career criminal.
	Um and you get extra time added on.
	Oh, got it.
	Um but yeah, for 785 bucks they went to jail for like 20 something years each.
	It was crazy.
	It's idiots.
	Yeah.
	And pretty much.
	That poor girl was terrified.
	I always felt bad for her.
	Yeah.
	Oh, that would be so scary, dude.
	I don't know what I would do if someone did something like that, like pulled it, like you know she didn't even want to identify them.
	We were trying to do like a we'd do a bring back or show up your brain because we brought them to say have her identify them.
	And she was like hiding behind the blinds in the store.
	We'd usually have them like go out in the sidewalk and the person will like look through a car window, but she was literally hiding.
	She was absolutely terrified before things.
	She's crying and everything.
	How important are fingerprints?
	Is that a real thing?
	How important is that when you were detective?
	Well, that that's a real thing because everyone's are different.
	Yeah.
	So if you get found at a scene, whether it's a break in or um a robbery or something like that, and they find your fingerprints, well, you how much what other excuse do you have for being there?
	So it's it's a pretty good, especially now, people like in court, when cases go to court, they don't want witness identification.
	They want because all the CSI shows, they think we all have this bags of evidence to show when it comes to court.
	So juries wanna see forensics.
	They want fingerprints, they want like cell phone records, they want DNA left behind because of the TV shows makes it look like that's left at every scene.
	But these guys covered their fingerprints, they had masks on, like they put, you know, bandanas around their face.
	Um, but the girl identified them from the clothes.
	One of them didn't have a mask on.
	But so fingerprints are definitely very important.
	And what's the process of actually lifting fingerprints?
	What is that?
	And you hear the term lifting fingerprints.
	Different surfaces, um, use different tools.
	Like this surface, the the grain of the wood would be no good.
	You need like a smooth surface.
	Like they train us on like granite, like countertops.
	Oh, yeah, granite's nice.
	Yeah, it's very smooth, it's shiny.
	So if someone leaves a fingerprint, you have or whether you have dry or oily hands, you're leaving oil behind.
	And you could take your powder and you spin the little powder on like a smooth surface, and literally the fingerprint pops, and then you just take this kind of clear square of like sticky tape and then like press it down and then lift it up so it transfers onto the outline transfers onto.
	There you go.
	Can there be fingerprints in a place like could you look at a counter or something and see nothing?
	And there could actually be fingerprints there?
	Yeah, you can kind of if you use a flashlight, sometimes you can see it if it's a clean surface.
	If it's like a shithole house or fill like bank robberies, we don't do fingerprints because so many people go up to every teller.
	Like even if a bank robber comes in and puts his hands down, um, there's 10,000 other fingerprints there from the people that came before you.
	Right.
	So they don't we don't bother with something like that.
	Because you have to be able to show it's a suspect.
	So they won't like put it into the system to see who it even belongs to.
	Well it could a surface be so dirty that then the print itself actually makes it clean in that you know what I'm saying?
	Yes, on dirty windows, we get those on a break in when they push up, um, push up a window and leave them behind, and you can literally see them because you can see sometimes they'll smear the dirt.
	Sometimes it's so dirty though, the dust won't the dust won't adhere to it.
	Got it.
	What it what's the uh person who picks up the fingerprints?
	What do they call that person?
	Uh well, we do it.
	Detectives do it.
	So detectives do it.
	They do it in Boston, yeah.
	Some in other places like the crime scene tech will come out and other departments, but we do it ourselves.
	Unless it's like a major incident, like a homicide, uh, then the homicide unit will call the forensic unit, like and they'll those they'll those are civilians, they're not police officers, but they'll have they have gone to school for that.
	So if it's like a major, you know, uh like I said, a homicide or something, they'll call on the crime scene techs to do it.
	They don't want to mess with us.
	And you ever have a day where it's just busy and like, oh shit, I gotta get to my kid's birthday or whatever.
	And I fucking just we'll hope for the best of this when you take off.
	Yeah, it sucks.
	Like you could be your shift ends at four o'clock if you work days and it, you know, 345, someone a person stabbed.
	All right, I won't be home till midnight.
	So you say, oh, so you stay or no stay.
	Oh, yeah.
	I I was saying, like, if you ever had a thing where it's like, uh, I gotta get out of here, you know.
	I'm gonna instead of doing the work, you know, instead of dusting these for these fingerprints, I'm gonna hit the road, you know.
	You can't do that.
	You can't.
	No, you it's on you.
	It's you if it's your case, if you got if you're on on um call, we call it catch day in Boston.
	But detectives like certain squads have are in charge of all those calls that day.
	So you know, five things could come in.
	We could get a shooting, a stabbing, and arm robbery, and you know, missing person, and they're all assigned to you.
	But it's not that busy.
	Um, but it can be.
	You might have a day like you don't even go pee, you don't even eat lunch.
	And it's few and far between, but it definitely happens.
	Wow, so you're just cruising like that.
	Yeah.
	How much you mentioned television a little bit ago.
	How much is television and what people think and expect?
	How much has that affected like the prosecution of cases?
	Ruined it, absolutely destroyed it, yeah.
	Really?
	Because everyone has such high expectations.
	If they watch, you know, CSI Miami or whatever the hell it is, and see they solve everything instantly.
	And um, they have cooperative witnesses, or they have all this piles of evidence, and like I said, people in because of that, people in regular juries and regular court cases expect, oh, do you they literally come back with notes saying, why don't you have fingerprints?
	Why don't you have DNA?
	Like, why don't you have that?
	Well, not every case has that.
	Like I said, a bank robbery comes in, they don't touch the con.
	We have no DNA.
	We have no fingerprints.
	We have no semen either.
	Video is a huge help, but it's definitely the shows have been a detriment to prosecuting cases for sure.
	So you think it's made her the that the shows have made it harder to prosecute cases?
	Absolutely, because people have higher expectations, the juries do.
	The juries do.
	And they're like, oh, there's not enough here.
	Yes, they'll be like, it's not you don't have anything.
	Where is everything?
	It's like, well, we have a you know, we've got the video, and we've got this and that, and like, no.
	So it's tricky, yeah.
	It's not been our friend.
	It's fascinating.
	It's yeah, it's fascinating because it kind of glorifies the sport of being a detective, but at the same time ruined it.
	Yeah.
	That's a lot of things happen like that.
	Once things get glorified so much, kind of they get ruined sometimes.
	I think that's also almost a general rule of things, it feels like.
	Um, except for God, probably.
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	You always you always hear uh like the show's the first 48, right?
	Um and my friend Chris Delia, he's a comedian.
	He's uh he has this great joke.
	He's like the first 48, and I'm paraphrasing, he's like the first 48.
	It's like the these detectives have 48 hours to solve the crime, but really they have as much time as they want.
	Yeah.
	They do, we do.
	So you know, sometimes you're waiting on video.
	Like it doesn't obviously if you don't have a suspect like right away.
	Um but if you work at it, uh sometimes the evidence is out there, you just have to find it.
	It might not slap you in the face at 10 minutes after the incident.
	Right.
	But do you really only have 48 hours?
	No, we they have all the time you need, except except it gets busy.
	And if I have, you know, three cases that day, and if like I gotta work on it, and then two days from now, I get another big one that like a shooting or a stabbing or whatever.
	Now you're you're your attention is split.
	So time is of the essence because something else is always gonna happen.
	It's gonna happen.
	Something's coming, and whether you have a leisurely amount of time to work on the case, like then you're working overtime, then you're working a double to try to stay and work on this case because another one could come in tomorrow.
	So it is this point to it, like the 40 adds are important, but I think more so because something else is coming.
	So it's gonna take the attention away, and then you can only be in so many places at once, you know what I mean?
	You can't, you can't yeah, I yeah, I never thought about that part of it.
	What how do you prioritize what cases are most important?
	I mean, obviously, like if someone gets shot or stabbed, like that's a a violent crime, and you want that person who it's more defendant-based, like it's the kind of person that's gonna do that, you want them off the streets.
	Right.
	Right, obviously.
	Right.
	And if, you know, compared to, you know, identity fraud, well, that's not an emergency.
	That's that's can wait.
	You know what I mean?
	So those kind of like because we get a ton of fraud.
	That's check fraud and all that shit, bank fraud is a nightmare.
	Because it's a lot of the times it's not even taking place.
	We have our victims in our city, but suspects are all over the country or all over the world.
	Yeah.
	So you can't prosecute them.
	Yeah.
	So it's it's hard to chase down.
	So those are kind of to the victim, it's not a lower priority.
	They're the one that had their money stolen or whatever.
	But it's not the same as being shot or stabbed or having a loo a criminal that's out of the way.
	Yeah, violent arm robbery or something like that.
	You gotta find this guy now because obviously they're in heat for crime.
	Yes, exactly.
	Wow.
	So are there days when you kind of get to the end of your shift almost and you look and you're and you're like, oh my God, there's still that one missing person I didn't reach out about, or there's still this one thing.
	It's always a pile.
	And now I have to go do that.
	Yeah.
	Oh.
	You very rarely get to go home at the end of your uh of your shift.
	You're always staying.
	And how do what's it what's that effect like on on your home life?
	Like, were you able to have kind of a home life?
	Like, what was that like for you?
	Yeah, I mean, it's it's it makes it trickier for sure.
	You need help at home.
	It definitely makes it more difficult.
	And were you able to have a family except do you have children?
	Yeah.
	Nice.
	Oh, your daughter's here.
	My daughter's here.
	Oh, nice.
	I forgot.
	Yeah.
	I didn't forget, but I think I just didn't know if she wanted to say it or not, maybe too.
	So yeah.
	What so yeah, how do you how do you manage that?
	It's tricky.
	It was difficult.
	It was a lie.
	It was it was hard, yeah.
	Because how do you expect it to come home?
	I get you to help them with some project or just gotta make supper.
	And you have to call and be like, I'm not, I'm not gonna make it.
	Someone got stabbed, or I gotta stay late.
	A lot of times you know you're gonna be like, okay, those days I know I can stay late because I have coverage with the kids or whatever.
	Yeah.
	Um, but it's it's it's not easy.
	But at least you had a good excuse.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I wasn't out, you know, getting my nails done or getting shit faced, but yeah, I'm getting my nails done or I'm getting, yeah.
	I'm working.
	Yeah.
	At least you it wasn't like, yeah, I'm drinking or something, or you're on third base.
	I can't, you know, I'm not gonna be home on time.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Do you start to see where family life suffers?
	Do you see it like, you know, because that's also a common theme in a lot of like uh police serial programming and films and stuff where the detective is working late and then there's the family thing starts to suffer, you know.
	I mean, I'm sure it did, but like I said, you've you kind of figure it out.
	You make it work.
	You can.
	Like I was a detective in a busy part of the city.
	And that's why I transferred to the human trafficking unit because that was like a Monday through Friday job, not a rotating schedule.
	Because I worked holidays.
	We worked every Christmas.
	You got a holiday off every six years.
	So ever but you'd get all the holidays off that year.
	So that year you're getting, you know, excuse me, you're getting Easter.
	Excuse me, please.
	Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year's.
	You'll get all the biggies off.
	But then it's six more years until you get another one.
	Wow.
	So I went to human trafficking.
	Bring some water real quick.
	You're good.
	Horrific.
	Sorry, miss.
	I and you are a detective.
	You are I I don't want to tell you what to do anything.
	Thank you for your service.
	That's what I'm saying.
	So it's six of the wow.
	I just that's wild.
	Yeah.
	So that time you get to spend with your family, it's really crucial.
	Yeah, especially holidays, you know.
	But if you're working different shifts, if you're working the midnight shift, you can kind of go home and start sleep for a couple hours and then you know, meet everybody at Thanksgiving.
	So that's how Boston worked.
	Obviously, different cities do different things.
	We just had six squads rotating days off.
	But some units, like the human trafficking unit, is Monday through Friday.
	So it's a little more normal if you have young kids or a family and you want to be in regular person, as I call it, and have Saturday and Sunday off like everybody else, those units are better for something like that.
	Got it.
	And I know you ended up in that unit.
	I want to talk to you about that in just a second.
	Take me through a couple more detective calls that were uh interesting to you or that really stood out.
	Um I'd say I always my joke was always gonna be that I was gonna write a book and the name of it was gonna be Dick on the Sidewalk and other stories from the street.
	The last few years, the last few years I was a detective.
	I got like three of the craziest cases of my life the after thirty in year 31.
	Um we had some guy cut off his own dick and threw it on the sidewalk.
	Oh, for what?
	Because he was he was crazy, he was mentally ill, but we don't know any of this.
	So the call came in in the morning.
	I was on the way in.
	It was early in the morning and it was cold out.
	I remember that.
	Oh, yeah.
	I have the radio on, and I hit the dispatcher, call a car, and then start to laugh.
	And then she says, disregard.
	We don't know what's happened.
	So I'm driving to the station, and then a call comes in again, sending a different car because it was like the midnight shift ending, sending a different car.
	Hey, can you go to this location?
	Someone said there's a some mail and a piece of male anatomy on the sidewalk.
	And we were all laughing.
	We thought it was we just thought it was a dildo, we thought it was a joke.
	That's why the dispatcher was laughing.
	Yeah, you just thought it was like a WNBA game or whatever.
	Exactly.
	It wasn't green.
	Um, call comes in like 10 minutes later, and my detective that I was working with at the time looked it up on the computer to see the text of the call.
	Like, what does this actually say?
	And then we saw that the caller was from a nearby health center, and it's just said there's, you know, it look appears to be a penis on the ground.
	There's blood everywhere.
	We're like, oh shit, that's that's not fake.
	So the patrolmen go up there, and so that's our starting point.
	We don't know anything else.
	And literally, there it is.
	I wasn't there yet.
	The patrolman see it on the sidewalk, and there's a blood trail.
	So they start following the blood trail, and it went, it went a long way, several hundred yards.
	And it gets worse and worse.
	So it that's how it starts.
	So we that's our starting point, and the patrolman followed the blood trail, and then they're following it up the stairs of this three family house.
	It's like three apartments in one house, and the blood gets bigger and bigger.
	They knock on the door, this guy opens the door completely naked, a hole where his dick used to be, and he's just standing there, not talking.
	And they're like, Hey, buddy, you okay?
	Like, and he's just like, he doesn't speak, he just stares at them.
	So that they're new, they were newer guys.
	I felt so bad for them.
	That that's a that's a tough call.
	They weren't brand new, obviously, but that's a lot for young young guys to see this, right?
	So yeah, just see some cock down the street here.
	Hey, why don't you why you come in and sit down?
	So they and turns out it was like a group home for mentally ill people, but there's no staff members or anything there.
	So there's three people in the house.
	It is a bloodbath.
	There's blood everywhere in the bedroom, the floor, the sink was full of it.
	Oh so they find that and they get on the radio and they're like, get us an ambulance, whatever, because we don't know how does someone alive, right?
	So he's alive.
	So I get called, and me and another detective, my boss went down and it's on the sidewalk and they're taking photographs or whatever, and they call once the ambulance finds out he's alive, they just assume somebody had bled out somewhere and was dead, or someone did it to somebody else.
	He's like, No, I did it.
	Like, oh shit, okay.
	So he's being honest.
	Yeah, but he's just completely and idly meant to, at some other point, he'd like caught off his own nipples.
	He said to let the devil out.
	So the poor thing was very mentally ill.
	He was young, early 20s.
	So once the EMTs find out this person's alive, now they want to try to collect it to see if they can reattach it at the hospital.
	So we had done our photos.
	I actually have a video of this whole thing.
	I pulled video from the street, nearby surveillance video.
	That's how I know kind of everything after the fact.
	They come down to reattach it, and we had just done the photos.
	I didn't look directly at it.
	We I can do Oh never stare into it.
	You do like a you do like a weird blurring.
	It's almost like when someone blurs out somebody's face and went baby.
	That's what your brain does.
	You're like, I don't want to see that.
	I want to see all of it.
	It was it was big, it was nasty.
	So they try to come down to take it off the sidewalk.
	He goes to pick it up.
	And what are they using a spatula or whatever?
	No, I he had gloves on, he's using his hand.
	And he had this weird guy.
	He's an EMT.
	He had this like cylinder thing he was gonna put.
	Like one of those bank remember at the bank you would put that check in the thing and send it back up through the wheel.
	Literally, like that.
	So he goes, dude.
	He goes to pick it up and it's been so cold.
	He's tugging it and it was frozen to the sidewalk.
	No way.
	Like that guy from Christmas story.
	Bring that up.
	But like his tongue.
	That's what happened to the poor guy.
	Bring that up real quick because people forget it that that can happen.
	Oh yeah.
	Oh.
	And let's get just to give us a uh a descriptive visual.
	What kind of wean or are we talking about?
	And if we're wieners, oh I don't know if it's still what kind of uh what kind of wean or sod like because that's just a sod walk wiener.
	What kind of wiener are we talking about?
	It's big.
	It was it was big and it looked purple.
	Ooh.
	Yeah, it was it was a black guy, and it almost looked purple.
	But he went to tug it, and because it froze, he gave it a second tug, and then it like he didn't let go of it.
	It like went in the air, and this thing came out.
	I don't know if it was his urethra, I don't know what the fuck it was.
	I compared later to like a balloon streamer came like flying out the end.
	Oh, that's some party confetti, baby.
	I dry heaved into the street, and I was like, what the fuck?
	And some young patrolman who was there, and this is all on video, he's in his uniform and he does this little kicky, uncomfortable dance because he's like, Oh my god, that was horrific.
	Oh, he couldn't handle it like that.
	No, exactly.
	And then later I pulled the video from the street.
	We're like, how did this get there?
	How did this guy get back to the house?
	He had cut it off several hours before in the house, walked down the street, and he's completely naked.
	Nobody called police.
	This is the best part.
	This people go into work, it's like three or four in the morning, busy, busy street, driving down the street.
	He's completely naked.
	What no one called 911.
	And he's walking down the street, and I have a video of it.
	He leans it's he'd cut it, but it wasn't off altogether.
	Oh, he leans down.
	Tugs it's a minute and then threw it on the sidewalk.
	No, oh.
	So he tell me that part again.
	He what?
	So he So I'm watching this one.
	He leans, tell me that part again.
	So I'm watching the video and try to find him.
	Like what time did this happen?
	And you just see this form, it's dark, and he's white completely naked, walking down the street, and all of a sudden he leans over.
	I'm like, what's he doing?
	And he's in the direction, it's kind of from the side, direction of his crotch.
	You see his heart move like a tug, and then he just fucking threw it.
	And I I remember when I pulled the video, I didn't know this had happened.
	I watched it and I pushed my chair back from the desk and screamed.
	I was like, what the fuck?
	The worst part is he can't.
	So if you could believe something's worse, he came back about a half an hour later.
	He walked like a mile.
	They said that's what saved him.
	Why he didn't bleed to death.
	It was so cold, it coagulated the blood.
	So he didn't bleed to death.
	He came back and he's walking down the street, and as he sees it, he walks over to it and gets down on all fours and leaned over and kissed it.
	Uh uh.
	And then got up and walked away.
	I thought he was gonna eat it like a dog bone, honest to God.
	I was like, what is happening?
	What is happening?
	He bent down, gave it a smooch, and got up and walked home.
	Oh, God.
	It was fucking crazy.
	Oh my god.
	The poor bastard.
	Oh, let me tell, because I gotta go through a couple beats of that story.
	And dear God, let me just say that out loud so God knows that we're just alarmed by this.
	Yeah.
	Um, first of all, the fact that he cut it and it was just hanging there.
	He didn't do the job.
	Just like a piece of Memphis mistletoe just hanging there.
	That's so wild.
	Yeah, it was nuts.
	Like mistletoe at a ditty party or something.
	Dude, and then he hugged it off.
	I can't even imagine.
	Because you've read like a little hangnail when you pull it off.
	Kills.
	Ugh.
	And this is like this is a lot of nerve endings.
	Oh, that's the ultimate hangnail.
	Yeah.
	That's the most heavy.
	That should be the name of my chapter, not dick on the sidewalk, the ultimate hang nail.
	That's the most hangiest nail That there is.
	I can when you said that, it got so visceral.
	I think for me and I'm sure for anybody listening.
	Most men get the same reaction when you tell me.
	And then I wonder what flew out of it.
	Pull that up on perplexity.
	Because I'm thinking that's just a little bit.
	You know what it looked like in the photo?
	And then when I saw it come out, you know what like sausage casing looks like before there's a sausage in it?
	It's almost like skinny, um, opaque kind of almost um I don't know how else to describe it.
	It's it's like kind of gray and translucent.
	It was like a little smaller than my pinky, and this thing just flew out.
	I just could not even I Yeah, that's just a little wiener fun fed.
	You know, I mean, let's look at uh no, give me a gander at it, man.
	I'm trying to gain I'm trying to get a gander.
	Yeah, just look at the but let's look at the parts here because it's it's it's fascinating to know what is that.
	Yeah, I don't know what I don't know what the fuck it was.
	That's a vagina.
	Oh no, that's a wiener, sorry.
	Come on, there's some these days you can't tell.
	The other day, my buddy showed me a picture of his naked wife.
	She has a wiener, and I was like, all right, well, that's a surprise.
	Yeah, maybe it's the urethra.
	Yes, because see the erythrill opening goes down to the end.
	That's what it was.
	God boy.
	Yeah, it was it was dicing.
	That was a dice.
	And I remember when we got the call, and I remember standing over it, thinking, like, where did I go wrong in my fucking life?
	That it's 7 45 in the morning and I'm looking at someone's dick on the goddamn sidewalk.
	You know, I was like, wait a what did I do?
	What did I do to deserve this?
	It's it's a question as old as time.
	You know, it really is.
	Poor bastard.
	I think a lot of women have asked themselves things like that overall.
	You know, it's just you know, and what in high tech what how does that even follow up?
	Do you guys keep that in evidence?
	Well, no, they tried to reattach it at the hospital.
	So they rushed him to the hospital with it and they did attach it, but it didn't take it was like a month later, they had to like take it off.
	Yeah.
	Imagine that month.
	Oh my god.
	So I it's funny the because of the group home.
	We were trying to find out what is this kid's story?
	What's his name?
	Because the other kid in the house was not with it at all, couldn't even, he was just sitting there playing video games all the time.
	So we're like it's hard to get the kids off the games.
	Right.
	So but these guys they're like 20s.
	So I call the um the supervisor of the group home, and I was trying to get some information.
	He's like, Oh, him, we we're trying to find him uh an in-house, uh in um a placement in a hospital or a psych ward because he's you know, he's been exposing his peanuts in group classes or whatever in group meetings.
	And I said, Well, you're late.
	You're a little late because he cut it off and threw on the side with the guy's like, what?
	Like you could tell he shit himself because that's his house.
	Someone's supposed to be supervising.
	Yes, obviously, somebody's supposed to be there.
	Someone fair making sure at the very least someone's not lopping off their own wiener.
	Yeah, and I just can't, well, I can't even imagine the month wait to know if it's gonna take or not, you know.
	I don't think he cared.
	But still just as I think he was obviously crazy.
	I mean I know that's not the technical.
	But you don't think he cared why?
	Um, he cut off to begin with.
	He said he was letting the devil out.
	Like he's just extremely mentally ill, and I don't think he even kind of.
	I mean, I think there's a part of a lot of people that think the devil lives inside of their genitalia for some people.
	Yeah, and he like I said, he cut his he cut his nipples off, he like carved something in his forehead, like this poor kid was it was really messed up.
	It's heartbreaking that people go through so much.
	And I I just but I can't imagine that month where you're waiting to see, right?
	Like the bandage on doing it.
	Like, how do you sit there well and saw it off and he didn't like it?
	Did he use a sauna to ask?
	No, it's just a big long kitchen knife, but you know, it was it was dull as dishwater, it was in some shitty group home.
	Like it's not some nice Henkel's knife, you know what I mean?
	I'm sure.
	Well, it's not like hands o' scissors.
	It was like some plastic handled shitty kitchen knife.
	It was like this long.
	You got to see the knife?
	Yeah, we were up in the apartment.
	Was it a basic knife you get like if it's just if you made your kids dinner and you give them a knife or your husband?
	Not a steak knife, like a little bit longer, like it would come in your knife block for like carbon.
	Serrated or whatever.
	I don't remember that.
	I don't think it was serrated.
	I hope it was.
	Otherwise, serrated might be more jagged.
	But you I think you would get it done pretty quicker.
	I don't know if we can.
	I mean, the more we talk about it.
	God only knows how long he was working at it, because the bed, the whole bedroom.
	So the kid I was working with, thank God he had been in the crime scene unit.
	So he would go into scenes all the time.
	Like he we he put on Tyvek suit to go in because there's so much blood.
	Oh you got stepping through it.
	Oh, the wiener holds a lot, baby.
	That's the Lord spigot.
	The Lord of lots that day.
	God boy, yeah, definitely.
	God.
	And who was the other kid?
	Just some honky sitting there playing double dragon or something.
	He's sitting there, it was like a grown man with this legs crossed.
	Like you know, so you know that's weird, the crisscross applesauce scene.
	Yeah.
	And he's sitting there like trying to, we're talking like, hey, do you know what happened?
	He's just like trying to look past us, like we're in the way of his game.
	All right, this guy ain't this guy's not gonna get away.
	What game was it?
	Do you remember it all?
	I don't know.
	I was concentrating on other shit.
	Wow.
	Yeah, he's literally just trying to look around us.
	I bet it was one player.
	They didn't have a lot of two-player games at that time.
	Wow.
	Oh my god.
	But the worst, imagine you just you're you're you're waiting.
	You're getting they wrap your wean or they they do the repackaging.
	And I bet at that point it's almost like the masked singer.
	You're just waiting, they take it off, and you're seeing like, okay, is this what do we have here?
	You know, yeah.
	What's the result?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Do we have a Shaquille O'Neal here or do you have a Muggsy Bogues here?
	I think you're just waiting to see what you're gonna end up with.
	Oh, that must have been horrible.
	The big reveal, you know, and they're like, move that bus.
	And then the bus takes off, and you're we and your and your cock doesn't work, dude.
	That's the freaking worst.
	God.
	I hate that.
	That was uh that was a day.
	Oh, that's harrowing.
	Yeah, that was one.
	That's harrowing.
	And it's cold out.
	Was it so cold outside?
	Was it hard to stand outside?
	Was it that cold?
	Uh we weren't outside that long once we took the photos and when the EMT came down and collected it.
	Uh there wasn't else much to do that that scene.
	So then we went up to the house and it wasn't cold in there.
	We were outside for maybe an hour, 45 minutes.
	I don't even remember.
	Because that the It wasn't like 20 below.
	Right.
	But it was chilly, right?
	Yeah, it was cold.
	But the the part for me, I think that'd be the wildest is say you are, you know, you're so cold, you run out there, you're looking at the cock, and then it gets too cold, you gotta run back into your car and walk.
	No, there was no running back and to get warm right.
	You're like texting, like, all right, let's meet out there again in 30 seconds.
	Like, you know what I'm saying?
	Like you haven't battled the cold so much.
	No, not at that case.
	You're like, oh yes, yes, yeah.
	It's a black cock, and you have to go sit back in your car.
	Like, that's the part that we get, you know, having to build up the just the war stay warm out there.
	Oh God.
	That's insane.
	Yeah, it was fucking crazy.
	And it is, and that's the kind of shit.
	It's like, you know, you're sitting there and then you're watching your kiddo blossom birthday candles or something.
	You go from that to something else.
	Oh that was a day.
	Yeah, we went out for drinks after work that day.
	Oh, yeah.
	You're like, we're going out tonight.
	Yeah, up a black and tan, huh?
	That's what I'm saying, dude.
	I love some Johnny Walk out.
	Um there was another story to pivot.
	I know that you had mentioned whenever uh our uh producer Nick had reached out to you.
	And thank you so much for coming.
	Of course.
	I want to say thank you so much.
	You look lovely today, too.
	It's a really great outfit.
	Who chose that?
	You did?
	I did.
	Yeah, you did a great job.
	Thank you.
	Um there was uh a story you talked about finding uh the of someone had left a child.
	Someone um put a baby in a trash can.
	And I preface this right away by saying the baby lived, the baby was fine.
	Okay.
	Um, but uh that call came in uh for patrolman.
	I there was like a senior housing on our district, and there was a gentleman who lived there, an elderly man, and he had someone who used to come and clean his house for him.
	And he called 911 because he said someone just had a baby in his house and then left with it in a bag and it was crying.
	So the patrolman goes to the call and he goes up and talks to him.
	The apartment is pristine.
	There's no sign of a baby being born.
	He said she was in the bathroom.
	He's like, it's no nothing happened.
	Nobody had a baby in the so he called, the officer called an ambulance for a psyche valve, saying it's this guy, the old man, something's wrong, or it's he maybe has dementia.
	I just wanted to check on and make sure he's okay.
	So as the ambulance is pulling up, again, I have this on video, that's how I remember the sequence.
	The ambulance pulls up and pulls in the there was like a horseshoe driveway, and they pull in the driveway, and just as they're doing that, a girl is walking down the street, maybe 50, 60 feet away, maybe a little more from the apartment.
	And it's a very busy street in Dorchester.
	It's Dorchester Ave, and she's walking on the street, and there's a a uh wrought iron trash can in the street, and she walks by and she hears something.
	She thought it was like someone put puppies or something in the trash.
	She hears something crying.
	She sees the ambulance, goes running over and waves them down and says, I think there's a baby or something in the trash can.
	Wow.
	So the EMT comes walking down the street.
	You can tell he thinks she's full of shit by the way he's walking.
	There's no urgency.
	But everybody in this neighborhood's full of shit.
	There's no urgency to his gate.
	He's just like, okay, because they get they inundated with calls.
	They are buried all day long.
	He's like, all right, we're here for this.
	But okay.
	He goes walking over.
	He goes in.
	The typical haunted trash can in Dorchester.
	He goes in and you can see his reaction.
	He picks it out and then it's crazy activity.
	He puts it on the you could see it.
	This was all in the video, but you keep you can't see exactly what you could see insane movement.
	All of a sudden he's on the air.
	And at the same time, the officer was up in the house, said, like, what's the ETA in my ambulance?
	He never showed up.
	And at the same time, the girl had called 911 and said, There's a baby crying in a trash can.
	So this like is all kind of happening at once.
	So then we all go flying up there when they're like, Yeah, there's a baby.
	We don't have a mother.
	We don't know what's going on.
	The woman, we spoke I spoke to the gentleman in the house.
	He said it was his cleaning woman.
	He had a different name for her that wasn't her real name.
	Because we're trying to track her down.
	Like, is she bleeding out somewhere?
	Is she hurt?
	Does she need help?
	Is like what is the story?
	She just had a child, maybe.
	So he said she was in the bathroom for a couple hours.
	He thought she had stomach problems.
	And then she asked him, Do you have a pair of scissors?
	And then she asked him for a bag.
	And then because I interviewed him, me and my partner, and he walks.
	He said she walked out of the bathroom, and she had like a big tote bag with her, like her purse.
	And the baby was in the bag, and you could hear her crying.
	He's like, What's that?
	Is that a baby crying?
	She's like, Oh, this is nothing.
	Yeah, I just walked out the door.
	So that's crazy.
	Then on the video, you can see her walking down the street, and there's people coming toward her, and there's a gentleman passing her just as she gets to the trash can.
	She waits for him.
	And as he goes past, she looks around and pulls it out and goes right right in the trash can.
	So turns out she had gone in there, had the baby.
	She was in her 30s.
	She wasn't a kid.
	It's like she and she wasn't not mentally ill.
	She just didn't plan on keeping the baby.
	She cleaned the baby.
	How alone, I do not know.
	And then cleaned the bathroom.
	That's why it was so pristine.
	Well, and people think of women, like that's the power.
	I mean, women, it's just like how she did that, I do not know.
	She sat in the tub and had a baby with no help.
	Women are powerful, man.
	And then to clean up the bathroom.
	That's the crazy thing.
	But she also is a cleaning lady.
	I couldn't understand, you know.
	No, that's why it was so nice.
	Yeah, when the crowd.
	I guess.
	So is it is did you determine that she's mentally unwell?
	What do you turn it so heartbreaking?
	She didn't want the baby.
	So not want the baby.
	But we don't know any of this at the time.
	So we don't all we have is a phone number.
	She signed in on like the log at the senior housing.
	And she put a phone number down.
	And one of the patrolmen working at the scene, they blocked off the street.
	They were like helicopters overhead.
	This was like news.
	It was on the news.
	And one of the officers who was blocking the street, the traffic, we all get the phone number, and he starts looking through reports because he's sitting there blocking the street.
	He starts looking through reports because we don't have the right name.
	He that guy gave us the wrong name, like the wrong age.
	He said she's a girl.
	She was in her 30s.
	So him, she was a girl because he's in his 80s.
	He said she's a good looking girl, so maybe you're right.
	Um, the officer, the patrolman starts looking through reports and finds a phone number attached to a different name.
	So then we start looking for and we find the driver's lights like this all again.
	All took like over an hour because we're there's a lot going on, and headquarters is calling, and everybody's like, This is huge, you know.
	So this kid finds the kid's real woman's real name and phone number, and they start pinging the phone.
	So it turned out she after she put the baby in the can, walked down the street and got on the trolley, took the tea back to like to Mattapan or the train station, and then got on a train or a bus and went to her house in Milton.
	So we knew what her address was while she's in transit.
	We're following, they're following the ping, and she's like moving through the city.
	And then my supervisor and a couple of detectives, at least one, met her at the house with an ambulance.
	So, like this lady, we don't know what's going on with her.
	So they met her at the house and said, like, hey, you gotta go to the hospital.
	Are you okay?
	Like, what's going on?
	They went in the house, she like rented a small in-law or something in the house.
	They said there were no baby items.
	It was full-term baby.
	There was no crib, there was no diapers, it was nothing.
	So it was she did not plan on keeping this baby.
	She had no intentions of doing that.
	Obviously, she didn't have a single thing in the house.
	But they took her to the Hospital.
	She was fine.
	They kept her in the hospital for a few days.
	But I mean, she she literally tied the bag in a knot.
	Like she tried to kill the baby.
	Oh.
	And that girl who walking by was saved it because it was cold that day.
	She saved that.
	She saved that baby.
	That's unbelievable.
	It might never have been found.
	Like the city comes and dumps those trash cans.
	That baby's gone.
	The odds that that girl having you walking by and hear it.
	Yeah.
	And do they re partner that child and that mother?
	Well, I think it won't.
	She tried to kill it, so I don't know.
	The ha the homicide unit came and took the case.
	Why I don't know because you know the baby lived.
	But it's obviously a biggie.
	So they ended up taking it.
	It took four, like four years to go through court.
	It was during COVID.
	I remember people wearing masks when it was on the news.
	Um but it took like four years to wind its way through court.
	No jail time.
	I'm like, that's attempted murder.
	She tried to kill that baby.
	There's nothing wrong with her.
	She wasn't a scared 16-year-old.
	You know what I mean?
	She was just her defense attorney tried to say that it was cultural.
	I'm like, do people throw babies in trash cans in her culture?
	What the fuck?
	She was she was Haitian.
	She's from Haiti.
	Like that's all cultural.
	Oh shit, there she is.
	Mother allegedly abandoned newborn in trash, been in Georgia's charge with attempted murder.
	Yeah, that's her.
	She started, she didn't serve any time.
	No.
	She got probation.
	Yeah, none of we weren't very happy with that.
	Well, yeah, because you're just like the psychology of that person that's out in the world.
	How could they value life?
	Yeah, she doesn't.
	At least not that life.
	Yeah, and how could you probably value one of the most precious lives?
	Unless maybe there was some extra I wonder if it was an extreme circumstance of how she had that child, but we weren't told.
	We were in communication with the DA.
	Like they never told us other than it being cultural.
	We're like, what the fuck culture is that?
	That's not a culture anywhere.
	Yeah.
	Well, the media makes it likes to make it easy.
	Yeah.
	But I think it took so long because court cases were just dragging on because you know, nobody worked during COVID except us or whatever.
	Um it didn't it like everyone just gets tired of it and wants to go away.
	I don't know.
	Crazy.
	Yeah, I mean, I mean, stuff like that's harrowing, you know.
	I don't know how you can I don't think there's a way to shed that skin if you're a police officer or a detective.
	Even though it may seem superficial, like in some ways you can just move on and finish your day.
	There's got to be a part of you inside of you that stores a lot of that uncomfort and like illness.
	It's gotta be you kind of I I'd say you learn how to deal with it.
	I dealt with things better years on my job than I did when I was new.
	You know, stuff that used to upset me.
	You have to.
	It's your brain safety mechanism to so you don't lose your goddamn mind.
	You know what I mean?
	You learn how to that's why cops laugh at at murder scenes.
	Like it's it's it's it's tension release.
	We're not laughing at a murder scene, like people are trying to talk and say, okay, a lot uh everything's normal here.
	You know what I mean?
	Like when Brad White was in, he was on the street and you're like, so you know, what are you gonna get for lunch later?
	Like we we have to do something to distract distract your brain, and you get better at it.
	Yeah, that's uh this this officer that we had in um who came in and was talking about he worked in Los Angeles and he talked about this one story where he had a mother had called her son was gonna commit suicide, she was worried, and he gets there and the mother comes out to greet him, tell him what's going on.
	My son's inside.
	While they're outside talking, the son kind of steps into the doorway behind a screen door, kind of, and takes his own life with a shotgun, right?
	Oh shit, shotgun's messy, man.
	So then there's now he's standing out here with the mother, so he has to console the mother at the same time, and now it'll go approach this situation.
	Right.
	So you you have to do many, like you're like, oh shit.
	I just saw someone blow their head off with the shotgun, and you know the mother's screaming and on the ground, I'm sure.
	But yet it's still a like not a crime scene, but it's an active situation.
	It's an active scene, you have to lock it down, and so there's a lot, there's a lot.
	It's they're chaotic, you know.
	And if you're especially if you're alone, it's only one or two easy and there's a lot going on.
	They're very chaotic.
	Yeah, I I I can't even imagine how things go from seeming real and normal to absolutely surreal.
	Like in a moment, almost like you're in a movie or a video game.
	I remember he said he walked into the he had to push the door wouldn't open all the way because the body was.
	The body's too heavy.
	Yeah, you have to push him out of the way.
	So he's pushing this, and then he steps inside, and part of the brain matter had hit the ceiling and it fell down the back of his shirt.
	Oh, I think it's just a Vegas guy.
	This was the Vegas sergeant.
	I think I saw that on your podcast.
	Well, I think Brad, he may have done he may have been in Vegas for a bit.
	He may have been in LA, I believe.
	Okay, but um, but he but just gross.
	Like I've stepped in that, like, how do you, like you said, how do you uh really?
	Oh no, it wasn't him.
	That was Chris Curtis.
	Yeah.
	Um, this other guy was Brad White, but just fascinating, fascinating story.
	But just hear it, like I I don't think nobody else goes to work and has this horror movie that can happen once once in a while.
	Please, CMTs fire.
	That's kind of it.
	Yeah.
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	Um how much does the DA, you mentioned having a DA?
	What is that like?
	Do police work better under certain mayoral and district attorney job leadership?
	Yeah.
	They do.
	What's that whole relationship like?
	Like break it down for me what that's like.
	Well, it it, you know, obviously things are very politically charged right now, more so than they've been in the past, I think, in my experience.
	Um, so it depends on if your mayor is supportive or not.
	Historically, I mean, I had several mayors on in 31 years as a police officer, and some are more supportive than others.
	And some DAs get elected that are just like, oh, we're not gonna make vandalism's no longer a crime, larceny is no longer a crime, shoplifting's no longer a crime.
	Well, the people in the stores are still calling us when someone's stealing $10,000 worth of shit, but the DA's like not prosecuting.
	So now that's why shit's locked up in all these doors.
	It's the DAs who are like, you know, whether it's the Soros, DAs or whoever the fuck they are that got elected that are softer on crime or whatever.
	That's your job as a district attorney to prosecute crimes.
	And those are state laws on the books.
	So if those laws are still on the books, then why aren't you prosecuting it?
	So that's why shit is locked up in CVS.
	Because people can indiscriminately steal all over the country.
	They're not getting prosecuted.
	We had one guy, he it was him and his brother doing it.
	They were like two man wrecking team.
	Every CVS in Walmart, Walgreens.
	We added up just like one kid in one month.
	It was like $30,000 worth of shit he stole.
	Now, how is Target or CVS recouping that?
	They're not.
	That's gone.
	But the DA is on toesn't care.
	So if you have a like right now, there's a there's you know, there's a good DA in in Boston, I think, and he's doing more to make you know working with the officers as a team.
	Like we're on the same team here.
	We're just trying to prosecute criminals and help victims.
	And if you know, the DA is not supportive of that, like what about all those victims whose houses are getting broken into or their property's vandalized?
	Yeah.
	And the DA is like, yeah, we're not gonna prosecute that crime anymore.
	Well, what about the people whose shit's getting stolen and ruined or whatever?
	Like don't you care about them?
	Right.
	And don't you care about how they feel then about their city and about their country.
	And then you guys are the ones that have to deal with it on the street level.
	Oh, everyone hates us.
	They take it out on you, but but still, if someone hates the mayor, they take it out on the police.
	You know what I'm saying?
	It's like and you guys kind of can't probably speak up on it sometimes because you're in a position where you're working under that regime.
	Yeah.
	Um yeah, I think about that about the border too, sometimes with like, you know, people illegally coming across the border.
	And then people can have whatever thoughts they want about people coming over, right?
	I think everybody needs to be legally documented that's here, however, they figure that out.
	But you know, but the people that that matter mo the they're whose opinion matters most to me are the people who live right.
	What about the guy right there in the border town?
	Who's trying to put his kids to sleep at night and they want to be able to feel safe that just because they bought a house somewhere, yeah, um, that there's not people running through their neighborhoods, whether those people have good intentions or bad, but just with the fear.
	But the fear that it puts in their families, you know, exactly.
	It's all quality of life stuff.
	It's all quality of life issues, and they don't seem to get that because it doesn't bother them if they're living in some you know, multi-million dollar house somewhere or a nicer part of the city or state, it's not happening around them.
	Like you said, the people in the border towns, they don't have a choice.
	Yeah, it's a it's especially in if there's and if you if the what about the the the guy who's worked at CVS for 20 years and he loves it, right?
	And he loves seeing people come in and he loves like that's something he knows some of the older people he's watched them get older and come in and get their medicine.
	He's watched one of them lose their spouse over the years and now they come in alone, but he's like a smile in their life once in a while when they come in.
	And now he has to be of deterrent to crime.
	Like they come in with trash bags.
	Yeah, oh, it's unbelievable.
	They literally just clear the shop.
	They go and still sell all their stolen shit at like the smaller bodegas and convenience stores.
	So they still when they steal all the detergent and you know, all that up, they still and baby formula that's been locked up for years.
	They go and sell it someplace else.
	I mean, and they're the bodegas is buying it off them.
	They know it's stolen shit, so they're a fault too.
	Yeah.
	But like I said, the employee, what about him?
	Like, he doesn't want to do that when he goes to work.
	No, and then he has He's not a cop.
	He doesn't want to do that.
	He's not a cop.
	Yeah, he doesn't want to chase people.
	Yeah, that's the thing.
	They've made it so that almost every person has to feel like a cop.
	And then also that every per that there's not a lot of support out there.
	Um who and and that's a sick thing.
	And our government does that from the top down, and I believe that they there is a reason they do that.
	They want to erode uh a sense of community, and they want to erode a sense of normalcy.
	And they're doing it.
	Yeah, you know.
	Who's the mayor that they have now over there that's been supportive?
	Do you feel like, Cara?
	Uh, we haven't had a supportive mayor.
	That's the DA, Kevin Hayden.
	He's supportive.
	Our mayor, I think.
	Okay, hey, boy out of Newton, huh?
	What's Newton like?
	Is it good over there?
	Uh Newton's uh very, very nice city outside.
	It's it's a different city than Boston.
	Down in Newton over there.
	I definitely caught some money.
	Newton's high end.
	Newton is?
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Big money to live in there.
	Big Newton, they call it.
	It was big money to live there.
	Oh God, look at that.
	Bunch of people probably.
	Yeah, he's he's from there.
	I think he lives in the city now.
	He's Suffolk County.
	He's not attached to the city.
	He's Suffolk County.
	Over there.
	But our pri our prior DA was it was atrocious.
	I bet every kid over there has a sign uh Tom Brady football law.
	That's that kind of thing.
	Well, he lived in Chestnut Hill, which is part of Brookline and Newton.
	It's like all sandwiched right in that neighborhood there.
	He lived in Chestnut Hill.
	Yeah, I bet all those kids have that, dude.
	Um, how was the DA support been over the years?
	So this is a district attorney now.
	Yeah, he's good.
	It was he uh was he during your term?
	He was there when I retired, yeah.
	He was appointed by Charlie Baker preceded by Rachel Rollins.
	Yeah, thumbs down on her.
	Oh, she was another district attorney?
	Yeah.
	And now, so she She became a U.S. attorney under Biden, and then she was um, I believe fired from U.S. attorney with some ethics violation or some such.
	Oh, Biden would hire anybody who's asleep.
	You fucking dude.
	He was fucking yeah, they would hire Fred Flint so now.
	Someone on the staff thought she was a good uh fit.
	So she's sorry, she resigned before she was uh she was canned.
	Richard Wollins was not formally fired but resigned from position in May 2023 following multiple ethics investigations.
	Um yeah, and I don't know exactly what happened here, but what what's it like from one DA to it?
	Like, how can it do it?
	Well, she's the one that decided when we weren't gonna prosecute Larcenese shoplifting vandalism, the my minor crimes.
	And she used to say those aren't right, those aren't I forget which uh what verbiage was used.
	It was like they're not like not victimless crime, but they're trying to say that.
	No, they're not.
	Even if it's CVS or Target, a big corporation, they're still losing millions of dollars.
	It was her.
	She she she was one of the ones that was not supportive.
	And do you think it's a DA in that space?
	Do you think she's making her own choices, or do you think that's coming down from a higher do you allegedly, do you think it's coming down?
	Because it just seems crazy to say we're not gonna prosecute hunting.
	How do you do that?
	It's fucking it's a state law.
	How do you decide what you're during her campaign?
	Rollins pledged to decriminalize certain offenses, such as shoplifting, drug possession, yeah, wanton.
	Oh, Wonton or militias just malicious, yeah.
	Or property, drug possession tends to distribute.
	What?
	Yeah, it's crazy.
	That's why Mass and Cast, you've heard of the part of Boston.
	I don't know if you heard of the part of Boston called Mass and Cast.
	It is a disaster down there.
	This this drug addicts everywhere, they're all over the streets, they're destroying property.
	There's needles all over the city in South End in that area.
	It's kind of it was a it was focused there, and now it they've tried to kind of break it up the last few years because it was insane.
	And they've now they've pushed it out.
	Yeah, there was 10 cities down there.
	Look at this shit.
	Yeah, and look, and some people say this is just a building.
	They have safe shoot-up zones there.
	They're letting them shoot up heroin to say in safe places.
	Oh, yeah.
	So now the needles are all over the South End, and the poor people in the South End, they pay a lot of money to live there.
	There's a beautiful brownstones, and now there's people shitting in their front yards, uh throwing needles everywhere, breaking it.
	Say one guy was breaking into the house while people was under construction second floor.
	This was just a few weeks ago.
	And there's a guy's family's there with his kids, and they were they had like an old key or something, and they were breaking in and going to like shit in the floor on the second floor that was under construction.
	He went up and there's like a pile of human shit in his house.
	He's like, what is going on?
	They put up cameras.
	The guy was going in and out every night to like sleep on the floor in his house under construction, and then shit on the floor.
	It's like the emoji or whatever.
	Yeah, like what is wrong with you?
	What?
	So that that part of the city.
	I felt bad for people who live down there.
	Oh that's Atkinson Street.
	Yeah.
	It's where is it?
	It's Atkinson Street.
	It's near the jail.
	Yeah.
	Well, and look, and a lot of people say this is just a Bill's tailgate or something over here.
	I'm not saying that.
	Some people say this is a pinto tailgate.
	I'm not saying that.
	What we're saying is that this is a lot of drug use uh that's happening over there in uh in in this town in Boston.
	Yeah.
	But here's another thing though.
	They have this everywhere now.
	Oh, it's everywhere.
	Every city has this.
	Every democratically run city, I think.
	Yeah, I could be wrong.
	Well, we don't have one here.
	I know that.
	I hope not anyway.
	I don't know.
	Austin got ruined.
	Austin.
	Austin was a blast.
	And I I took my daughter there several years.
	I'd been there 10 years ago, and I was like, this is a coolest place.
	Reminds me of here a little bit, like 6 ass 6th Street where all the bars used to be.
	And then I went back a few years later because my daughter's way into music.
	I want to take her.
	And she was afraid to get out of the car, which there were homeless people sleeping in hammocks strung from street signs in the street.
	And it was just rampant before they...
	Like if you're homeless, you got arrested there.
	Yeah.
	Which isn't the best thing, but you gotta do something.
	They're like throwing bricks through all the windows that have been there a long time.
	Austin got ruined.
	And Seattle's a shithole, Portland.
	Yeah.
	Portland is um, I'll have to sneeze, but um, Portland is a shithole, but also it's awesome.
	I will say this.
	Yeah, I I was up there.
	I when I do landscape photography as a hobby or it used to, and I try went up to Oregon and in um in Washington, and I love it.
	It's a coolest place.
	Like it's such a cool vibe, you know.
	And it's that element that's out there, it's like, why are we at it's like I don't know their end game.
	Like, what is the point of ruining all these cities?
	I think they wanted to just they they want us to deteriorate.
	They want us to have no sense of purpose, right?
	They want us to like not have any pride in the places where we are because they've been so riddled.
	They get people addicted, you know.
	Um, the opioid epidemic was put on America and was allowed to occur, right?
	They won't- It wasn't like that when I was young.
	No, they want this to happen.
	It is a there is uh it's no doubt to me that this is an organized agenda.
	Yeah, I don't get it.
	But I believe that people can fight back, and I believe that I think it started a little bit.
	I think so, and I hope so.
	And also it gives you a sense of purpose in the world.
	It's like you're here to defeat evil, you know.
	And we are all can be a part of that.
	And I think it's something that makes us feel that way.
	Let's pivot a little.
	Um you ended up in the oh, quick question.
	Did you ever see Irish Mickey Ward?
	Did you ever run across him when you were running around over there?
	Did you ever hear about him or anything?
	Oh, yeah, it's boxer.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I don't I never ran across him.
	That's cool.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I was just watching uh the fighter the other day.
	And uh that's about him, right?
	About him, yeah.
	Wasn't he in it?
	Didn't he play as the coaches and shit?
	Oh something.
	No, he I thought they gave him a part.
	He was in it at the inn.
	Okay.
	Christian Bale.
	That's when he got all skinny for it.
	Yeah.
	Such a great movie.
	But and all the sisters and stuff, they did such a great job in that film.
	I got to go watch Laney Wilson last night.
	Oh, that's right.
	The concert.
	How was it?
	Yeah.
	I should have got y'all tickets.
	I didn't know we're here.
	Oh no, good forgotten.
	It's okay.
	Uh it was so great.
	It was so great.
	Jelly roll uh was there.
	So I got to see him.
	Ella Langley, I got to meet her.
	Uh she has a beautiful voice.
	Um, it was just great.
	It was like a special time.
	Nice.
	Yeah.
	And Laney's just a boss.
	She's just turned into like a some people start to step into whatever gift they were given in the world, and some people kind of uh meander around the outside of it, I think.
	And no way is is like a Vic is better than the other, really.
	I think it's all by person, but she is just really embraced this role of just being like this on stage presence.
	It's yeah, she it was really powerful to watch.
	She does a great job.
	Um pivoting anyway.
	That's uh you ended up in the human trafficking unit.
	Yes.
	So I think that's a safe term, or how does that work?
	Yeah, that's so I was in a district detective at Dorchester, and then I went for several years, like five years or so, to the human trafficking unit, and then I went back to Dorchester.
	But yes, I had a five-year stint to the human trafficking unit as a detective.
	So what what is your definition of human trafficking?
	Let's just get that clear.
	Because you hear so much, right?
	Like a few years ago, you would hear this social kickball that was big.
	This was big four years ago, and everybody notices it's gone now, right?
	Notice how the kickballs fly.
	Yeah, it's like, oh, that's the big thing.
	Everybody's commenting on it online, and now it's gone, right?
	It's really out of the zeitgeist.
	I know it's still there's still things happening, but notice how that happens, right?
	And everybody's like, you'd see memes online.
	It's like tonight while you sleep, one and a half million children will be uh taken across on trains across America being human trafficked.
	And you're like, what in the shit, dude?
	So what did you really see?
	What were you expecting when you got into that?
	So I didn't know, like everybody else.
	I didn't really know what that meant.
	I just, you know, I knew um someone asked me to if I wanted to join the unit, and you know, I didn't know a lot about it.
	I thought it was just like the movies, like you know, people being snatched off the street and forced into um to be prostitutes.
	In in my experience, at least when I did it, that was not the case.
	Um so I guess human trafficking is like when someone's trafficked for the purpose of to sell sex, right?
	Against their will through you know court coercion or a force or a threats or whatever.
	Um but when I got there, a lot of the cases we had, there were it's funny, there were just several pimps that kind of ran the city that were involved.
	You always came back to the same like six or seven guys who always had all these different women working for them.
	And it was always girls, not always, I shouldn't say that.
	Mostly it was girls um from the neighborhood or just outside the city, like the suburbs or whatever, and something in their life like was fucked up, whether it was you know, a parent situation where they had one parent or they'd been like sexually abused as kids themselves, or there was like a DCF, which is Department of Children and Families, like there were foster kids.
	It was always kind of something missing.
	It could just be they weren't getting attention at home or they weren't happy.
	And the pimps, a lot of them could be very charming.
	And they would meet these girls, they just meet them in the streets, go to the train station, they hang at the tea at the tea in Boston, or I had one girl was a guy started to walk in, uh talking to when she was walking down the street, and like, oh, you're pretty, you want to be in a music video?
	And she's like, She's like a teenage girl.
	Yeah, that'd be cool.
	And she went, like, they shot the video.
	And then, like, say, like, we have to finish the video, and then they like make her go to another state and like, oh, we're gonna take pictures of you and put you online and and you're gonna you know, have sex with these guys for money.
	They don't get any of the money, the pimps get all the money.
	Um so that was a situation where it was kind of she was not a lot, she was not willing.
	Like that was kind of a quick one, like over a week or two.
	But a lot of them they groom the girls for a long time.
	They oh, you don't have any money, I'll give you some money.
	I'll take you to get your nails done, honey.
	I had one guy, I literally had text messages for like a month's worth, and you could see him grooming her.
	Um, she worked in a store.
	I think her dad, her mother was head was deceased, and her dad now wanted to be a woman, and it was like fucking with her head, and he'd like changed his name to Susan or something.
	Oh, yeah.
	And then she met this guy working in a store, and he was like, he's like, Oh, you're working today, honey.
	I'll bring you a tuna sandwich, and uh, I don't want you hungry.
	And it was you could see it was like, you know, just progression of a relationship, and like a month later, she was like, Oh, that's my boyfriend.
	A lot of them think that's this pimp's their boyfriend.
	And like a month later, you could see the messages.
	He's like, All right, we have seven guys coming in, and um, you know, you're gonna do all seven of them at a party.
	There's like a bachelor party or some shit.
	And then she's like, Can I keep, you know, a hundred bucks for the piggy bank?
	And he's like, No, it's all mine.
	It was like a thousand dollars.
	Yeah.
	So it's like they see something missing in their lives and they just manipulate them, or they're like they're a little messed up to begin with.
	They're like they're in a bad situation, they don't know how to get out of it.
	They think these guys are boyfriend, you'll do this if you love me, kind of shit.
	So that was a lot of the sex trafficking that you saw, huh?
	Yeah, that's what that was in my experience.
	Yes.
	There wasn't a lot of people being snatched off the street, like no one's being shipped in in a shipping container from Russia and all these girls getting, you know, the nail salon, the the spas are a little bit different.
	The Asian women, they were moving them around.
	Um, the massage salons, yeah.
	They had but those were tough because the second we try to like go in and and they move, they're gone.
	They're gone to New York or New Jersey.
	And different women they're gone.
	They don't know their names.
	There's like how many different dialects have pronounced the name.
	Chinese and you're trying to get our Chinese officers, hey, can you translate this?
	And they're like, it's a different dialect.
	Like it was a disaster.
	So those were those were tough.
	No, you're like, we're looking forward to we did those.
	Yeah, that's crazy.
	That kind of shit's wild.
	And I don't like those kind of places.
	I'll say that.
	I'll walk into one of those salons or whatever.
	I say, if anybody jerks me off.
	I'm jerking them off.
	That's what I tell them.
	No homo.
	But I'm you know what I'm saying.
	I'll put the pressure on everybody in the building.
	So everyone knows what you go and it's like.
	Don't even jerk me off if somebody tries to even sneak up on me and jerk me off.
	Some of these girls would sleep in there.
	They would sleep on the beds at night when you're in the wake up and jerk you off.
	That's a problem.
	But one of them had we went in one, there was sink, there were baby turtles in the sink filled with water swimming around.
	I'm like, what the they like the animalia in there?
	They love aqua animals.
	Oh, they're gonna make soup out of it.
	What the hell they were doing.
	I don't know what they were doing with those things.
	We're like, what the fuck?
	I don't know, you know.
	And we also did part of the human trafficking, and we did um John, what we call John Stings.
	We you target the sex buyer rather than that's kind of uh it was a European model that they found to be more effective rather than you know, cops used to arrest the prostitute.
	Well, what about the guy paying for it?
	Of course, yeah.
	So then you target that angle of it.
	Like we're gonna tell you if you don't have buyers, then no one's gonna be selling it.
	They tried to do it kind of backwards that way.
	So we would do what we call Johnstings And we'd put ads online, backpage doesn't exist anymore, but we'd put them on that.
	It was Craigslist first, and then it was backpage.
	I don't know how they're doing it now, whether it's on Insta or you know, TikTok.
	I don't know where the hell they're doing now.
	I've been out of the unit for about six years now.
	You'd have parties and people would find people on backpage and invite them over, you know, or like they would hire strippers and stuff like that to come and dance or hang out.
	So it was definitely a place where people were kind of illicit and illegal.
	Oh, yeah, that was there.
	Yeah.
	When you put an ad in, you could pay extra to bump it at the top.
	So it was so prevalent when we were doing it.
	Like we'd put an ad in the morning.
	Say I put my ad on.
	We like three or four of us in the office would do fake ads.
	And you'd have to do like real photos, because the guys who were doing it all the time, like we'll do reverse Google image search to find out, did this picture appear someplace else so they know if it's a fake photo?
	Because then maybe you're cop, but you're not gonna look like who you're pretending you look like.
	Um so we'd all put our ads up, and then what you know, you put on eight at 8 30, your phone's ringing.
	It's crazy.
	8 30 in the morning, they're already starting to call, and we'd set up our dates for the day.
	Like we'd have a hotel room, and we'd be waiting in the hotel room, and we'd have dates set up every half an hour to show up.
	And were you hot under the bed?
	No, no one's hiding on the bed.
	I would have to open the door, and and there'd be like guys like in the bathroom, officers in the bathroom behind the wall.
	So I my trick was and I was at like 45, 46 when I was doing it, and my ad I'm supposed to be 34.
	I didn't fucking look 34, but I'd open the road, I'd have like my.
	Oh, who would be the girl?
	Oh, I was a prostitute, yeah.
	What?
	Yeah.
	What?
	Were you all?
	So I'd have to talk to them on the phone.
	Were we all understaffed or something?
	They just shouldn't have you though.
	Also the detective.
	Well, no, you have to have you're the one, you're the one establishing probable cause.
	So it it if if someone else is doing it, and then you have to like go testify in court.
	Well, you're not the one that had the interaction with them.
	So what we do, we would put our ad on the line online, you'd put your photos and some stupid saying, like, you know, what you're offering and how much it costs.
	So it's just and of course it's acronyms for everything.
	That's what I didn't know anything about this before I started about GFE, which is girlfriend experience, just means he'll kiss you.
	Um full service means like sex and a blowjob.
	And then there's like Russian and Greek, and there's all these stupid acronyms for everything else.
	And they they thought they were being clever by saying, Oh, I want GFE.
	So they're not asking for sex.
	Oh, I see.
	So by them saying, I want GFE or I want Russian or I want this, they think they're being clever, except you can say, like, well, based on my training experience, I know Russian means titty job, like or whatever.
	And then so you talk, they call you on the phone.
	Did it job?
	Yeah, that's a Russian, by the way.
	I didn't know that.
	I'll take it.
	I mean, whatever they're getting, you know.
	I mean, it is I'm sorry, yeah.
	That's okay.
	So you'd uh you'd basically talk to them on the phone, they call you, and some of them are real nervous, obviously.
	You could tell the long timers they've got right to business, and some of them want to flirt with you on the phone or whatever.
	Oh, can you send pictures of your eyes or your feet?
	The foot fetish guys are out there big time.
	But and then you're like, the more you do it, I'd like I don't have time for the shit.
	Like, do you want to come?
	You were showing up or not.
	So you'd basically make the arrangement.
	So once they showed up, you already have probable cause.
	They always already agreed to pay you for sex before they ever showed up.
	So then by them showing up at the hotel, they're like basically completing the entire um the elements of the crime.
	They showed up, they already agreed to pay you for such and such, so then you can arrest them.
	Right when they get there, really.
	Yeah.
	But like depending where we do it, if we did it like nights or downtown parts of the high-end hotels would let us use their rooms.
	Oh, yeah, but they don't have to do anything in there.
	Every time we did it, we got a doctor.
	Every fucking time.
	The Brigham Hospital, one of the best hospitals in the world, allegedly, the Beth Israel.
	They one guy showed up in Scrubs with like Beth Israel Hospital on it.
	Yeah.
	Like, what the fuck?
	You on lunch break?
	It was crazy.
	We got doctor every time.
	Why you think?
	I don't know.
	Too busy, too busy to get a girlfriend.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	Or they're yeah, I wonder what that is.
	That's just a lot of people.
	I don't know.
	It was it.
	We always got in it.
	And when we did it in like the not so nice parts of town, then we'd get like, you know, the cable guys and the the plasterers, and for some reason I always felt bad for them.
	They didn't have any money, but it's the same crime.
	So I shouldn't have felt bad for them.
	They were just, you know, but I did.
	The rich guys, because they got very arrogant when you tried to arrest them.
	They were all arrogant.
	We had an one guy who's a Northeastern University professor.
	And he was on the phone with me saying, I'm a professor.
	And he was trying to talk me down on my prices.
	I don't make a lot of money.
	That's what I would do.
	I would text him and be like, look, how about this?
	$70.
	I'd have a some lady's coming over for $70 of like Jesus.
	And now I'm like, I was just like, I wouldn't He was bargaining with me.
	I don't make a lot of money.
	Meanwhile, I made more money than me.
	Yeah.
	But he it I always laugh.
	He wanted me.
	He's like, Well, you put me in yoga positions.
	That's what he wanted.
	He's fucking freaks.
	I'm like, yeah, I got my Lulu's on.
	Come on over.
	Like you just he wanted to be in yoga positions, me to put him in them and then aggressive kissing.
	And when you get some weird requests or anything like that.
	Yeah.
	Like what anything pretty wild.
	Like, were they any like people you to enjoy them and their wife, like join stuff like that?
	No, nothing.
	We never got those.
	We got a lot of almost everybody was married.
	One of them we did.
	We met him in a bar.
	He said it was the end of the night.
	He was too nervous to come to hotel.
	He said he'd never done this before or whatever.
	So we agreed to meet him downstairs at the hotel had a bar downstairs.
	And we were I was just sitting there.
	And now again, I'm supposed to be 34.
	And even 10 years ago, I didn't look 34.
	You look great.
	I'm fucking look very four, but thank you.
	But so I'm sitting at the bar waiting, and the signal is for like me to touch my hair and there's two cops down the end of the bar.
	And he comes in.
	I see him walk past.
	He comes in.
	The bar's crowded.
	I see this guy walk in.
	I said, That's him.
	I knew it was him.
	You could tell like his face was he was he wasn't like, hey, I just got to a bar and he's all chilled.
	He was like intense.
	And he walked right past me and went to the men's room.
	Looked at them like that's him.
	He's got his fucking Burberry scarf on and his, you know, $400 jacket.
	Yeah.
	And he came over and approached me.
	A librarian stuff.
	He tapped me and it's, you know, said, Oh, my name or whatever.
	And then when they came up to arrest him, he fainted.
	We had so many guys faint or like collapse on the bed.
	He's he went, his face, he was white as a ghost, and he just went down.
	So the officers like drag him out to the vestibule of the bar.
	We're like, we got to call Scott and Ambulance, but he snapped too and he's crying and shit.
	And he's like, Oh, I'm he's like 30 years old.
	And like, dude, what he's like, Oh, yeah, I'm so anxious all the time.
	I'm trying to get my wife pregnant.
	I was like, You think you're gonna get her pregnant by fucking a prostitute?
	Like, what is wrong with you?
	I mean, it's worth a shot.
	You know what I'm saying?
	I'm not saying that, but I'm just saying you go fuck a stranger.
	And they none of them would nobody wants to use a condom.
	That was bareback.
	That was another code.
	Oh, they were doing that.
	Yeah, that was that was a code, B B B J is bare back, bare back blows up.
	So they they didn't want to.
	Oh, they got here.
	You go bareback sex without condom.
	Yeah.
	BBC.
	And they'll they'll ask you how much extra.
	Like, well, how much will you charge me for a bear back?
	So none of them wanted to use a condom.
	So they're all going home to their families after fucking some rando who's got having sex with five people that day.
	Yeah.
	Like, how many does it?
	Not to mention in what township is it in?
	Just Boston.
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	So this guy's bringing the oh, I'm trying to get my wife pregnant.
	What are you bringing home?
	Yeah.
	Bottom bitch.
	That's the pimp's main main girl.
	She's the one who runs it for him.
	I see that in the terminology.
	Yeah.
	Let's see some more uh terms here.
	The in-call, the S that's only bees.
	See?
	They go on forever.
	Huh.
	Yeah.
	And were uh were people ever asked?
	So I'm trying to think of anything.
	Well, people ever asking for like golden showers, urination type of thing.
	I never had I never got asked for those.
	One thing they asked me for the guy's like, Will you do a handy?
	And I've like, is that a quick hand job?
	Like I had no idea what the fuck it was.
	And my partner at the time is like Googling on the urban dictionary, like, what's that?
	It was some crazy thing about choking and she's on top, and then you flip and he's on.
	I was like, How the fuck do they come up with these names?
	Like, what does that eat?
	That's all that cert de soleil shit people are doing.
	Like, how is that a handy?
	Because I was like, Is that a like what is that?
	That's all that welterweight stuff.
	I think I don't know what it is.
	What about was there a lot of stuff like people want you to touch their the hole in their butt or anything like that?
	Like any weird stuff.
	No, they never got that specific on the phone.
	They but they would ask for anal.
	That was Greek.
	They would like, one of them, they're clever way, they're like, Oh, do you speak any languages?
	Oh.
	So then I'm supposed to say, Yeah, I speak Greek and Russian.
	That's what I mean.
	They think they're clever.
	They have all these weird online forms where they talk about the prostitutes.
	They rate them.
	I forget what the page they used to rate them on.
	So that's why we had to change up our photos and use real stuff.
	Because these guys all talk to each other.
	The long the guys that do it all the time, not the one-timers.
	The lifers.
	Or yes, or dabblers like yourself.
	Dabblers, yeah.
	In and out.
	In and out.
	In and out of the state.
	Yeah, they talk to each other and rate the girls.
	It's crazy.
	It's a crazy life.
	And when would a night like that for you guys end?
	Like, was there a certain point where you guys are going to be able to do that?
	Yeah, we kind of call it.
	So like the calls would start coming in the morning, and we'd like we'd have, you know, higher overtime to transport all because they'd be showing up.
	Sometimes they show up at the same time, like, oh shit, and they come into the same room.
	So we try to stagger the dates.
	Um, dates, and we have them schedule the area hour, every half hour, whatever.
	And after like eight or 10 hours, the boss would call it.
	Um, we always sit at Super Bowl weekend.
	It was um Cook County in in Illinois, did a big funding thing for it.
	They got money from the feds and they all kind of agreed to do it.
	So at certain times of year, Super Bowls were always when we did it.
	So we call it a night after like eight after we arrested like 12, 14 people or whatever.
	She'd be like, all right, that's enough.
	Like on Super Bowl weekend you guys are so on so on most Super Bowl weekends, you guys are doing that.
	We were when we were in the human trafficking unit, yeah.
	But it's we got one guy he was a he was I was talking to him on the phone.
	I'm like this guy is so fucking old.
	Now I'm laughing.
	I was very shy about it when I first started doing it I don't know who in the hell I'm not a prostitute.
	I don't talk to these people.
	So I'd be all anxious like hiding in the bathroom.
	So there's just eight cops in there.
	I don't want them listening to me like yeah you can stick in my ass for an extra 50 like I was embarrassed.
	And then I got more comfortable and they would just be laughing like I'd just be like yeah this is what you want okay and everybody's laughing.
	One guy come on my forehead or whatever for 30 bucks.
	Sounded so old and he's like you got to you know yeah you know I'm an older gentleman and I remember saying that's all right I'll take it easy on you.
	And then he shows up he's like shorter than me.
	Turns out he's like multimillionaire philanthropist from Beacon Hill on the boards of like children's hospital and all this crazy he laughed he burst out laughing when he got arrested he was tiny little guy with glasses.
	He laughed everyone else shits themselves or gets angry um but he laughed he's the only one he didn't give a shit he's like yeah I'll pay the fine I don't I don't care just get my phone back.
	We we take all their phones and I remember I was doing a detail at Fenway Park and he was in contact he's like I paid my fine can I get my phone back because we take their phones as evidence we have to show their text messages or whatever.
	And if they plead pay the fine or plead out they get their property back because the case is is is done.
	But if they're fighting it then we keep the evidence because we have to you know do a search warrant on the phone and all this stuff.
	He's like yeah I paid my fine he literally he showed up at the red I'm like I'm working in detail like you can come and get it so I was in uniform that day because no mind uniform and he showed up and he's laughing in the car and I'm like here's your phone I'm like what's the matter with you like why don't you got we got money go get a girlfriend he's like yeah so yeah it's not worth the trouble.
	I was like all right have have a good day he did not give a shit wow yeah gosh dude did you did you ever just like accidentally just hook up with one of them like did that ever happen.
	No that didn't happen.
	Like did one of her show up and you're like oh this guy's kind of cute I wish it wasn't like this no I never thought I wish it wasn't like this but yeah some of them weren't you know that's what we say some of them are good looking you're like what's go get a what's wrong with you like you're good looking we used to say like you're a good looking dude you can get a girlfriend.
	Some of them are like fucking grotesque like you could see why they're paying for it.
	Like I said the doctors don't have time maybe I don't know they don't want the commitment but some of them be good looking dudes like what's wrong with you.
	I think for some guys they they have a their sexual experience especially if it starts off with pornography a lot of times is really well that's an issue now they don't know what's real life.
	Right but they don't but then it's it's save like you know if it starts off with pornography it's very skewed right because this is a uh an environment that's kind of like um you can get exactly what you want out of pornography put the terms in you get what you want and uh that's your intimacy so that's how you build it right so then it almost makes it doesn't it's not right doesn't make anything right or anything like that.
	And some people agree you know like prostitution is one of the oldest businesses in in the universe right it's always been there.
	But some people they the next the closest way they can get somebody is almost just they're trying to create the same thing but in real life right so like I need to create the same thing where it's like I can kind of get what I would like.
	Yeah these are my Google terms.
	These are the things that I like and I'm gonna pay for that they don't want to waste time maybe I don't know.
	Oh I think some people for sure it's time it's like I don't want to have a big relationship I just want to have a lot of I don't want to take someone out to dinner every you know twice a week and spend hundreds.
	And there's a lot of that that goes on and I don't look down upon any of it.
	I just think it's it's it's interesting that you know but yeah the laws are the laws and those and that's just what your experience was like yeah so what I learned like I, you know, if it's like hey if a girl wants to do it but in reality I think 99% of the time they're not making a dime.
	Oh so they're doing it all in the pimp's taking all the money.
	So that's why I was like well that sucks like it we I had like one girl who was like no this is how much I make and she does but something called sissy play and I was like what's guys who like want not want to get hurt but close to not like sadomasochism or whatever.
	But um she made a lot of money.
	She's like I make you know $500 an hour or whatever.
	That's a weirdo guy.
	I mean my partner be like we need to do job when we retire like what the hell I know it dude like that.
	She kept her own money but literally out of everyone else I ever met they didn't they didn't keep it they had to hand it over.
	So guys think when we tried to do it as like an education thing we tell the guys when we rest them like we're not doing this to her because they're always like don't tell my wife like everyone would panic for sure say look at we're just it's kind of what's supposedly at the time like an education thing.
	We're trying to make you aware.
	These girls, you think if you you're doing something and you're paying for the service, they're giving you the service, and everyone leaves happy.
	But the girls weren't getting the money.
	They were getting the shit kicked out of them half the time.
	That's heartbreaking.
	So yeah.
	Happy stuff.
	I hated telling people I worked there because it was like a conversation killer.
	Like you'd see people's shoulders just droop.
	You're like, oh, you work at the NPU unit?
	They're like, oh, so you know.
	Well, I'm sure nothing good there.
	Nothing good happening there.
	Well, it's just interesting how perverse like sexuality can get and the things that cause it in our world, you know.
	It's another thing, why they even allow pornography to exist.
	Like, um, I don't know if we need it, like as readily available as it is.
	We had a woman come on named uh Lila McAllite, and she was telling us that a lot of the pornography you see online, it's uh uh non-consensual, right?
	And so a lot of times you could have somebody basically masturbating or watching and enjoying uh a crime and they don't even know it.
	So they don't know just the whole circle of it all was kind of the same thing.
	Um but then I I have friends that uh do sex work and they work for themselves and they're masterful at it.
	Fair enough.
	If they if they're working for themselves and they want to do that and they're making the money, that is victimless.
	Yeah.
	And I think and people may have issues with people on both sides of the transaction probably have some issues.
	Yeah, um, and may or may not, it could be different.
	But uh but anyway.
	Yeah, that would just be but yeah, some people are in a weird stuff.
	I had a buddy who would hire a woman just to tickle him until he shit himself.
	Oh, fuck.
	This is some weird shit out there.
	There's a lot of fetishes, man.
	That's why I found out I started putting my feet in the photos because I was like, I gotta get the foot fetish guys.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Because it people want some, like the guy wanted me to put him in yoga positions.
	How does that do it for you?
	Yeah.
	It's bizarre.
	Like you said, the guy wanted to tickle till he got till he shit.
	Yeah.
	That's a really specific wish.
	Oh, if you tickle it.
	Like, how do you get there?
	Yeah.
	How do you get there?
	And go, like, were you tickled as a kid?
	And we're like, oh no, I'm gonna shit myself.
	And then as adult, that's what it does it for you.
	Probably, I don't know, where you watch a funny movie and then you have to pee, like maybe I don't know.
	I don't know how you start.
	I don't know how you get there.
	But yeah, if somebody tickled me to last shit, I would be upset.
	Right.
	I think overall.
	I think most would.
	Did you ever feel like you were had to be like a protector for these women, or did a lot of them feel like they just they were in their own space and that's what they wanted, and it's not something you can really help with.
	Like a lot of the women's.
	There's a lot of cases, it was a lot of um, I felt like you're just banging the head off the wall, going nowhere.
	You you'd help somebody, get them in, you get them away from somebody, you get them into it's like a safe home.
	Like there was a woman who ran a nonprofit, a place to put these people, get them some clothes.
	Like a lot of them, they they'd steal their shoes and their IDs and their phones or whatever, so they couldn't run away.
	Um so you find them a place to stay, and you know, get them target gift cards so they can go buy like a toothbrush and some soap, and then like in the middle of the night, they jump out the fucking window.
	So, like you do, you're like getting called out of your house at 10 o'clock at night to go help somebody, and then they're like, Oh, well, she's gone.
	And so many of them ended that way, or they just disappeared, they wouldn't testify against them, so the cases went nowhere.
	So it was a little frustrating.
	Yeah, I think it's people you can't help people till they are ready for some help.
	Exactly.
	Yeah, did you what about any was there any gay activity?
	Was there any gay pimps out there?
	Was that that kind of thing?
	I don't know.
	Or a guy ever lie and say, like when you busted him, like if like say you set him up with a female prostitute, and he he just like he was like, I'm I'm gay, I'm just joking, you know, happy Halloween or whatever.
	No, they never tried that.
	I mean, the jigs up as soon as they show up.
	Most of them knew it.
	They like fall on the bed and a couple of them cry.
	Like, really.
	Yeah.
	But no, none of them, no one ever tried to show the gay card.
	Be like, it wasn't me.
	Yeah, I'm just here for fun.
	Yeah, I'm just I was just joking.
	Fuck them with you.
	Yeah, um, you you had a you had an investigation, you had a three-year investigation that you worked on.
	Yeah, that was um a human trafficking case that I did with um uh someone from Homeland Security Investigations.
	Okay, and what was that like?
	Take me through some of that story.
	You had a three-year investigation.
	It actually started with the one I told you the girl the music video.
	Okay.
	That's how it started.
	And we we got a call to children's from children's hospital in Boston, um, saying this girl there said she was raped in Rhode Island.
	Oh, she I think she was 15, maybe or 16.
	That's how that case started.
	And then we found out uh all she had was a nickname.
	It wasn't even guy's real name.
	She had like his Facebook page and a nickname.
	Like Smokey or something.
	Yeah.
	I don't want to say it.
	Okay.
	Sorry, never mind.
	No, the guy, yeah.
	I was just guessing if it wasn't.
	No, it wasn't smoky.
	Okay.
	Um, so she all she has a nickname, and we kind of worked backwards from that.
	Like one of the Homeland Security agents drove the girl.
	She's like, Oh, this this woman drove me to Rhode Island, but she wasn't involved, but she drove me.
	And this is where she lived.
	She lived in this neighborhood.
	That's where I had to meet her.
	So the Homeland Security guy started driving around and he saw the car in the neighborhood and got the license plate.
	So then I start looking on my end, because he doesn't have access to Boston Police Reports.
	I start looking for the license plate and a car that matches her description.
	Because we don't know if it's exact.
	And I find a car, but it's a guy's name.
	But then I start looking for reports with someone for that last name.
	And then I found a woman with that last name.
	And with her first name, she because she told me the girls, she knew the woman's first name.
	All we have was a first name and a red car.
	So then I find the last name in the car registration.
	I find old reports with this woman with their first name and the same last name.
	And we're like, oh shit, that we pull up the, you know, we did a photo array to show the girl, and she's like, that's her.
	So then we'd start talking to her, and we end up going, it was like a spider web.
	So these two guys, there were two guys who pimped her out in Rhode Island.
	But she did get raped by some guy.
	The guy in Rhode Island, I got like seven years for the rape or something.
	Um she did not go willingly.
	And those two guys worked for another pimp, and he had women all, I think he was in his late 20s, and he had um, I think like 11 baby mamas and like 17 kids or 14 kids, something crazy.
	But he had like 27, 28 victims, girls that worked for him over a period of time, including a bottom bitch.
	She's like the girl that works for him who recruits girls and is in basically in charge of everything, collecting the money, whatever.
	She works herself too, usually, the bottom bitch.
	Um, but that took like three years because we were like in Maine, New York.
	These girls went to New Jersey, they went to Vegas, California.
	Uh, they would drive, they would drive to Vegas and work and then drive back.
	But he had all these women working for him, and he was very, very violent.
	Like he would beat the shit out of the girls.
	He would pee on them, stole their shoes, their licenses, their cell phones, so they couldn't call home.
	Like, like I said, some of these girls came from like messed up places, and it took like three years to get enough people to because every time we found somebody, we found somebody else.
	Yeah.
	Um, so uh that took a long time.
	But that was uh that was he was he was I think he got like 33 years in jail because that went federal because of all the different states.
	That was a biggie.
	Well, thank you for that.
	Thank you for that work.
	Thanks for watching.
	Um I liked going back to the district.
	I mean, I liked it at the time, the schedule work, but the district is great people like the patrolman.
	Because when you were in the human trafficking, there's no patrolman, it's just detectives.
	So it's like four or five detectives and a supervisor.
	And when you go back to the district, there's you know, 100, 200 people there.
	So it's a lot more fun.
	Yeah, you're part of life.
	We laugh all day and stuff like that.
	So I was happy.
	I realize that kind of stuff.
	I go I go hang out with the football team around here sometimes, and uh it's just like some of the best parts of my week because there's just people around.
	Yeah, and you just like otherwise my life is very much like kind of by myself, like not by myself, but it's a limited amount, you know.
	Yeah, it's it got it got um it it got old.
	And again, all the cases most of them go nowhere.
	So that's frustrating.
	And I just wanted to go, you know, back to the district with, and it's great people, they're the best people on earth, and you just had laugh all day, you know.
	Like when it's real shitty, like the one with the guy, you know, two women stabbed and the dog was stabbed in the stomach or whatever.
	Like those are like we work with really good people.
	We're all there together.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And you um, and you won Detective of the Year for that, right?
	Yeah, for the federal mess for the three years, yeah.
	Let's go, Carrie.
	Congratulations.
	It's funny you know, Mark Wahlberg was at the ceremony for the Boston Police Foundation gave him the award.
	The detectives union did too, but the Boston Police Foundation did it.
	It's like a nonprofit.
	And at the time they were promoting the movie Patriots Day.
	And Peter Berg, the director, and Mark Wahlberg were there and for the award ceremony.
	Gave him a picture with them or whatever.
	You did?
	Yeah.
	That's cool.
	I'm gonna have to.
	I will Yeah, they were pretty they were promoting that.
	I'll text Mark and send him our picture.
	I don't know if he probably doesn't even know who I am, but I think I accidentally snuck his number off of a sheet one time.
	Mark Wahlberg?
	Yeah, yeah, because he's from Dorchester, where where I was a detective, yes.
	Oh, and then I'll make sure to that's where he and his brothers, the family's from.
	Not even in a braggway out to be like, hey, this is awesome.
	Um I just wanted to let you know.
	I met one of Dorchester's finest today, right?
	Yeah, but congratulations, that's so cool.
	Did you did that make you feel a sense of accomplishment?
	Yeah, I mean, I worked hard.
	Again, it was with Homeland Security and a Homeland Security agent.
	She she did a shit ton of work more than me.
	See, She was great.
	We worked together on it.
	And like I said, it was a long, it was a long investigation.
	So I was very happy to be have it resolved, you know.
	Yeah.
	In the process of it, someone, the pimp who was in charge, who thought the first two pimps that got caught with a girl in Rhode Island, um, that I found through a nickname or whatever, they thought one of them was ratting to the feds.
	So he had someone shoot one of them in the head.
	No.
	He lived, but not good.
	It was like a piece of pie was missing from his head.
	Oh and he just he could sing, but he couldn't talk.
	He could no longer speak.
	And that's when I found out they said in the brain, like, oh, it's different parts of the brain.
	He could like sing the alphabet and happy birthday, but he couldn't speak.
	Oh.
	And he was not ratting to what the feds.
	He was nobody.
	He was like away in New Jersey with the biggest.
	Not at that point.
	You're like, who did it?
	And he's like, D E F G. Yeah, I got I I was in court on something else, and one of the days.
	Did you did you hear this guy got shot?
	And I was like, what's his name?
	I was like, oh shit, that's we're looking for him.
	We have an arrest mark for him.
	Yeah.
	But that guy had him shot.
	Man, they get caught up in such depths of darkness.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So that was uh I was glad to be done with that one.
	Um is most of your social life with with police officers and cops and stuff?
	It is.
	It was when until I moved.
	Um move away.
	I moved out of Boston.
	I moved to South Carolina.
	You did?
	Yes.
	No way.
	What part of you live in?
	Yeah, I live just outside of Charleston.
	Dude, I used to go to college at Charleston for one semester.
	Nice.
	Yeah, I used to live over on King Street above a buddy's apartment for a while.
	It was pretty neat.
	It was a little bit different, but it was fun.
	And uh it's beautiful over there.
	It's gorgeous.
	And I don't want to be cold, so and I'm not a Florida person.
	And your daughter lives over there.
	Yeah.
	You guys got Folly Beach, that's right there.
	Um, yeah, IOP, I'll Palm Sullivan's Island.
	Yeah, but they she we she lives north.
	We live north of just north of Charleston.
	So um yeah, we moved there.
	So right before I moved.
	Um I forget where we're going with this.
	What was that?
	It's most of your social life representative.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Until I moved, yes.
	Um, and it's weird everyone's like, oh, you gotta have friends that aren't cops.
	So I've I have friends who I'm still friends with from high school that I've been friends with for 40 years.
	So I have a a core group of girls, a few girls that I've known since um high school.
	But it's weird when you become a cop, like it's hard to talk to regular people.
	If only because I always said I felt like a party trick.
	If you're out in a large group and someone's like, Oh, they're a cop, you got any stories?
	Do you ever shoot anybody?
	Shoot him.
	So I didn't fucking shoot anybody.
	And if I did, it was a bad day.
	So maybe I don't want to talk about it.
	So I think that's why we all just end up hanging together, because we get it, whether it's, you know, cops or nurses or whatever.
	Um they get it because you don't want to feel you don't you don't want to be performing all the time.
	Like I don't want to talk about it.
	Sucks.
	Yeah, you work.
	Some of it's funny.
	Just handcuff sex, just like dick on the sidewalk sounds funny, but that was a sock morning, you know what I mean?
	More for that kid than me, but in baby in a trash can and all this other shit, it's hard.
	Yeah, first of all, a lot of these sound like uh like um a lot of these sound like baby shower party games too.
	I do want to say that.
	And that's not what we're doing here today, guys.
	It's just kind of some of the way things sound.
	Yes.
	But that's what those are my what I call my chapter, my chat titles of my chapters of the alleged book I'm gonna write.
	I love that.
	That's why I shortened it like that.
	But like you don't want to feel like you're on all the time.
	So that's why we hang together because we all get it and we have a weird sense of humor.
	We're different people.
	Like when we have Christmas, I run the I used to run the Christmas parties for our district, and they'd be like, Oh, we can section off a part of the bar.
	We're like, no, no, no, no.
	We have to be in our own space.
	Like we are not FIFA public society, I used to say, 'cause we say shit that is not funny.
	And if it's funny to us, but if like random normal people who just go about their business heard some of the shit that we'd say, they'd be horrified.
	Oh, I've had very recent experience with some of that, and I feel you 100%.
	Um wow.
	Was it hard to move away then?
	No, I was ready.
	You were yeah, I was done and I wanted to be warm.
	My daughter was already down here.
	So your daughter lives in Charleston.
	Yeah.
	Oh, so I was so I wanted to come down.
	Is that your only child?
	Yeah.
	Oh, she's beautiful.
	Thank you.
	Um, and are you still married or no?
	No, divorced.
	Okay, yeah.
	And was that harder?
	Is it hard to keep a do are a lot of officers married?
	And is there a lot of dating on the force?
	What's it what's that kind of life like that?
	Yeah, it's a little it seems very spend a lot of time together.
	So that's always a lot of relationshipships form in the police department.
	Like cops end up married to each other.
	Um I'm divorced, I've been divorced for years.
	Uh it's funny, my ex-husband and his new one, he's remarried wife, they moved down here too.
	Oh, nice.
	Yeah, so we all get along.
	So it they so they could be near my daughter and they have a child as well.
	So she has she has a brother with him.
	But um, it's hard.
	It It seems easier now.
	For some reason, cops now, in my experience that I've seen are more family oriented than they were when I was young.
	There was a lot more drinking going on then.
	Like guys would stay late in the parking lot and like no one would go home.
	And now everyone's all about their family.
	So I think it's morphed, whether it's who they're choosing or who wants, no one wants the job, first of all, by the way.
	When I took the police exam, like 10,000 people took it.
	And now they can't even get like 800 people to take the test.
	No one wants I mean, it's terrible.
	People hate us.
	Of course, when you when your district attorney's not supporting you when your government isn't supporting it.
	All over the country, like no, but not the fire department.
	Everyone, America's heroes, it's a joke.
	We laugh then, no one wants to see us coming.
	And it's just gotten worse and worse over time because we're not politically supported, even nationally.
	Uh or weren't in the past.
	It's changed.
	Um so it's hard to maintain relationships, like unless you're with each other.
	We all work 12, 14, 16 hours together.
	And so that's how you c a lot of them end up together.
	Yeah, I think.
	And then again, because they understand it.
	It's hard for a non-police person to understand what's going through our crazy heads.
	Because we're all crazy.
	Oh we wouldn't take we would have taken the job, I think, if it didn't make you crazy.
	I can't even imagine.
	You have to drive in a car that is a siren on it, first of all.
	That's comes sometimes it's kind of aggravating.
	And then when you get there, you might have to shoot somebody or get shot.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it's a lot.
	You know, you know, it can be so it's a lot for a regular person to live with someone who's who's dealing with that, I think.
	Yeah, is it hard to keep the work at work for a lot of people or is it not?
	Is it I it's changed.
	I mean, it reached by person.
	Some people can shut it off, they don't give a shit.
	They just go home and shut it off.
	And some people get really, you know, fucked up over it and drink too much, or they're too, you know, meant to like depression or whatever.
	So what did you think about Trump utilizing the National Guard to help out in some of these things?
	I thought it was fucking great.
	I did too.
	I mean, if the mayor's aren't gonna fix it, you can't have that much chaos in the streets to do something.
	I agree.
	The fact that they're fighting it, like, oh, how dare you clean up my city?
	Are you insane?
	I would love if there's military and I mean, like, especially if it helps us get to a point where we don't need that, where there's a bit of there, you know, where it solves the problem.
	It's funny when everyone was hating on us a few years ago, bad after George Floyd and stuff.
	Everyone hate us, videotaping you everywhere you go, cameras, every every radio call you're at, the phones out and in your face.
	They're waiting for something to happen and they're cursing at you, spitting on like they spit on you when they talk, and that's not and you can't react to that.
	You can't be like, you know, you can't get into it with people.
	And so we're what pieces of shit do that.
	Everyone.
	That's who does it.
	Everyone, every piece of shit does it.
	But then you find out like the normal people in the neighborhoods, they want us there.
	They come out, they're like, Thank you.
	Thank you for coming.
	But that's doesn't happen as often as you'd like.
	And it is interesting.
	It is like, you know, I think it is a nice reminder to find ways to stop by our police and fire departments and be supportive, you know.
	Um thing that's kind of fun about fire departments, I'll say, is you can walk by and see the guys right there sometimes, right by the truck, you know what I'm saying?
	So you can go up and say, hey.
	Yeah.
	You can go up and like Yeah, it's not like walking into a police station.
	You're right.
	Yeah, dare you like, okay, well, it does have to be secure because there's prisoners inside and there's firearms.
	That's true, it's different.
	Can't be as open and welcoming as well.
	At a fire department is just a crock pot full of frickin' uh uh ballpark franks going on.
	So it's a different now they'll guard those with their life, some of those.
	It's a different atmosphere, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Um and there's the one guy that's like afraid to slide on the poles of he just waits until everybody else goes, and then he just takes the stairs real fast.
	But it's none of that's any judgment.
	These guys are heroes.
	But that's one thing that's nice.
	Like we're in New York the other day, and they were even doing a call, and we like took my buddy's son up and he he like will wear his little fire jacket around town, and he'll just like go get into the fire truck and shit.
	It's like they come back and we're just like, this kid's in their truck, but kids love fire trucks.
	I mean, that's you know, and cruisers they like the noise, the noise and the lights.
	It's exciting.
	I think it's cool, you know.
	Um why oh uh look at this.
	Here we go.
	Um Sean Diddycombe sentencing live updates, comes gets 50 months in prison.
	That's actually not that much, four years.
	For his conviction on two prostitution related offenses.
	What were the offenses?
	Can you let me know?
	He must have been sex trafficking of a minor, maybe.
	He got acquitted of the most serious charges he faced, racketeering, conspiracy, and sex trafficking, found him guilty on two counts of transportation to engage in prostitution.
	in.
	You know, I personally thought that this whole thing was something they were trying to create during the election of kind of like I I don't know what how they were trying to use it, but I thought it was they were trying to did some crazy shit.
	Oh, for sure.
	I mean, but do you think he was just a freak that got really addicted to what he was doing and a power like a power hungry?
	From what I hear, he's a very power controlling type of person.
	Yeah, I mean, I obviously don't know the gist of the cases why they charge them with conspiracy and sex trafficking with a minors involved.
	So I don't know why.
	Yeah, so we got what just over four years.
	Um I don't know what he uh I mean you can't get them for sex parties, so there's obviously something there.
	That's a good point.
	And who knows what they kept back?
	Who knows what got like behind closed door?
	Yeah, or victims don't want to testify.
	But see the moment the girl who's kicking the shit out of in the hallway at the elevator.
	That was pretty bad to watch.
	Yeah, never mind.
	You know what?
	Fuck that.
	Give them fucking 10 more years.
	I am.
	I'm sorry.
	I I and you know what's messed up?
	I forgot about that.
	Yeah.
	You know, there's so much evil shit out there sometimes.
	Well, it's nonstop.
	Every week there's something else.
	Every day, something else comes out.
	So do you think okay?
	So going back to that.
	So that statement, and I agree with you, there's a lot.
	But if we go back to like w working the beats on the in Dorchester, when you were starting, like there's a better way to do it, right?
	There's a better way we can be.
	Yeah, people have to be human beings, but there's a lot of people that aren't.
	They're pieces of shit.
	For whatever reason, whether it's poverty or their upbringing or drugs, mess the fucks up families to know what so I don't know.
	I don't know what the answer is.
	It's not what we're doing.
	Right.
	I wonder if it's what we are doing or what is being done to us that's having more of an effect on us, or or probably some some Oh, yeah.
	When we can't control it, people are gonna be pieces of shit and bad.
	Like, that's not our fault.
	That's not your fault.
	We didn't do anything.
	We're just going about our business, having a job, getting up in the morning, going to work or whatever.
	Yeah.
	The people that choose to I'm just gonna fucking rob this person.
	Some people are just bad people.
	Yeah.
	Some people end up that way because of the way they're raised, and some people are just fucking bad.
	They really are.
	It's the way they are.
	Yeah, and I think sometimes we do get caught in this space of like, well, oh, we have to recuperate everybody and we gotta save everybody.
	Right.
	There's real victims out there.
	Right.
	And it's not them.
	It's not those guys.
	That's a good point.
	Oh, when it came to the prostitute, the the John the pimps and everything like that.
	Is there a certain like ethnicity?
	Like, is it Asian?
	Is it black?
	Is it white?
	Is it Mexican?
	Do you hear like a certain is that a certain is that whole universe of a certain world, like where a lot of these because you always hear like Asian prostitution.
	Like, was it a certain earlier?
	So the spas were Asian, their pimps were Asian, but the ones in my experience in all of my cases, um, whether they were male or female pimps, because we had a couple females, they were um they were black, they're African American.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Black female pimps too?
	They worked, yes.
	They ended like the bottom bitch, they'd end up kind of working on their own.
	The most common ethnicities of pimps in the United States, according to available arrest data and research are predominantly black, African American, making up about two-thirds of identified or arrested pimps.
	Wow, followed by a smaller portion of Latino white, multi-racial mixed people.
	They'll do they'll pretty much do anything.
	And Asian individuals.
	Yeah, the spas were um the guy, people running those were Asian.
	That's kind of crazy.
	I wonder, well, maybe it has a lot to do with that music that's in that culture too, just the way that some of that music is so vulgar and like bitch pimp and that, you know.
	Yeah, stuff's glorified.
	Yeah, that's a good point.
	I think that that culture has the most glorification of the music of the performers.
	Now, a lot of the uh a lot of the producers and agents of that group are white.
	Um, so certainly just as much.
	Yeah, they're involved too.
	Responsibility, yeah.
	Thank you so much uh for hanging out.
	I want to know what do you like to do now?
	So are you retired now?
	I just retired three months ago.
	Congratulations.
	So much.
	I'm very happy.
	It put in you're supposed to put in 32 years to get your full pension, but I gave up after 31.
	What?
	Yeah, 32 years.
	You get your so you still get it you're you still get a.
	I didn't know I get my pension, it's just not the most you're gonna get is 80% of your salary after 32 years.
	And I stayed till 31 years, and I get like 77% or something.
	That's fair.
	Yeah, I I'm down south now.
	I go to the beach.
	I paint, I do all the painting in my on um as uh a hobby.
	You do?
	Yeah.
	Would you do us a little bitty painting and we could put it in?
	No, I'm fucking terrible.
	I'm just Learning.
	I copy artists that I like.
	That's how I'm learning.
	It's like mixed colors and stuff like that.
	So I copy artists' paintings that I appreciate and I try to recreate them just in the learning process.
	I'm terrible.
	I'm brand new.
	If you ever do want to do something even small and it can even be years from now, you want to send you a little painting.
	Yeah.
	My niece is an actual painter.
	And I told her I was coming.
	She's like, bring bring the painting.
	Oh, that's cool.
	That's sweet of all.
	I'm glad that I asked.
	That would be really nice to have because then I can tell people who it's from.
	All right.
	Um thank you so much for your service.
	Thank you so much.
	Thank you for having me.
	Oh, thank you for having normal people on and not just, you know, like you.
	It's nice to have somebody who gives a shit what we're doing instead of you know Yeah.
	Well, I think I'm learning more that that's just so much more important to me sometimes, I think.
	I don't know.
	This whole thing has been interesting, like just talking to people and stuff like that.
	Because I'm not really the best interviewer, but I do, I am curious about people.
	Well, that's what makes a good interview.
	You ask people questions, you know.
	You're a great interviewer.
	Come on.
	Well, that's sweet of you.
	Thank you.
	You're welcome.
	I love the Amish Kid interview.
	That was great.
	Oh, he was good.
	He was great.
	He was he was very well speaking.
	He was just very direct.
	He seemed so natural at it.
	He really did.
	I know.
	I I see your hat there.
	I like you.
	Oh yeah, that's, he gave that.
	I like your remnant.
	That's really him.
	And Louis C. K. just gave me his new book.
	I'd give it to your daughter, but it's kind of for boys.
	It's a boy book.
	Is it a novel?
	It is.
	And he did a really great job writing.
	All right.
	He's funny.
	He's funny.
	Shit.
	I know he had trouble in the past, but he's a funny bastard.
	Yeah, he is.
	Yeah.
	And I'm so glad he had trouble in the past because that's how he and I got to know each other because we've all had trouble and fucking that and that.
	So it's good.
	That's great.
	Yeah.
	Um, and in the spirit of service, we got a picture up of our this is our Jim Jeffries.
	He was a comedian that was on.
	That's his nephew.
	Oh, nice.
	Uh Lieutenant Max Nugent.
	Yeah, who was um an officer in the Australian Army and he passed away in a helicopter crash.
	So he is our he's our hero.
	So we're excited to have him.
	And you have him there.
	Yeah.
	It's nice.
	Yeah, he's cool.
	He's got a he he seems like a neat guy.
	So I'm sure we'll get to know uh channel some thoughts and feelings and energy from him over the years.
	But anyway, thank you both for your service.
	Uh congratulations on your move.
	And you look lovely, and I wish you a beautiful uh second half of your life as it evolves.
	Thank you.
	Thank you for bringing your daughter.
	And um, we got you guys set up for dinner night over at 1230 club.
	That'll be fun.
	That's lovely.
	Thank you so much.
	Yeah, I appreciate you.
	Thank you so much.
	Thank you.
	Yep.
	Lovely to meet you.
	Now I'm just falling on the breeze, and I feel I'm falling like these leaves.
	I must be cornerstone.
	Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this piece of my life found.

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