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#569 - Andrew Schulz

Andrew Schulz is a stand-up comedian and podcaster. His new special “LIFE” is streaming now on Netflix, and you can also check out his podcasts “Flagrant” and “Brilliant Idiots”. Andrew Schulz returns to talk about his new life as a dad, the showdown with Logan Paul at Madison Square Garden, and why he thinks politicians will always lag behind culture. Andrew Schulz: https://www.instagram.com/andrewschulz/ ------------------------------------------------ Tour Dates! https://theovon.com/tour New Merch: https://www.theovonstore.com ------------------------------------------------- Sponsored By: Celsius: Go to the Celsius Amazon store to check out all of their flavors. #CELSIUSBrandPartner #CELSIUSLiveFit https://amzn.to/3HbAtPJ DraftKings: Download the DraftKings Pick Six app NOW and use code THEO to play $5, get $50 in Pick 6 credits. Better payouts. Bigger wins. Only with Pick6 from DraftKings. The Crown is yours. https://draftkings.com Acorns: Go to http://acorns.com/theo or download the Acorns app to get started. BetterHelp: This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp — Go to http://betterhelp.com/theo to get 90% off your first week! Shopify: Go to http://shopify.com/theo to sign up for your $1-per-month trial period today! Vanta: Go to http://vanta.com/theo to get $1,000 off! ------------------------------------------------- Gambling Problem? Call one eight hundred gambler. Help is available for problem gambling. Call eight eight eight seven eight nine seven seven seven seven, or visit c c p g dot org in Connecticut. Must be eighteen plus, age and eligibility restrictions vary by jurisdiction. Pick6 not available everywhere, including New York and Ontario. Void where prohibited. One per new customer. Bonus awarded as non-withdrawable Pick Six Credits that expire in fourteen days. Limited time offer. See terms at pick six dot draftkings dot com slash promos. ------------------------------------------------- Music: “Shine” by Bishop Gunn Bishop Gunn - Shine ------------------------------------------------ Submit your funny videos, TikToks, questions and topics you'd like to hear on the podcast to: tpwproducer@gmail.com Hit the Hotline: 985-664-9503 Video Hotline for Theo Upload here: https://www.theovon.com/fan-upload Send mail to: This Past Weekend 1906 Glen Echo Rd PO Box #159359 Nashville, TN 37215 ------------------------------------------------ Find Theo: Website: https://theovon.com Instagram: https://instagram.com/theovon Facebook: https://facebook.com/theovon Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thispastweekend Twitter: https://twitter.com/theovon YouTube: https://youtube.com/theovon Clips Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheoVonClips Shorts Channel: https://bit.ly/3ClUj8z ------------------------------------------------ Producer: Zach https://www.instagram.com/zachdpowers Producer: Nick https://www.instagram.com/realnickdavis/ Producer: Colin https://instagram.com/colin_reiner Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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	Today's guest is a stand-up comedian.
	He's a podcaster.
	He has a new special called Life on Netflix.
	It is miraculously done.
	I'm very thankful to have him return to the podcast.
	Today's guest is Mr. Andrew Schultz.
	Shine on me And I will find a song I've been singing I'm gonna say it.
	And now I've been moving Good to see you, man.
	Good to see you, too.
	Congratulations on the child.
	Thank you, bro.
	Appreciate that.
	Congratulations on all your success.
	Thanks, man.
	Yeah, I appreciate it, dude.
	I saw, I'm like 17 minutes into your special right now.
	Oh, cool, cool, cool, cool.
	So, dude, the control you have on stage is that that's something I really admire.
	Like this, like, it's almost like a sharpshooter up there.
	I don't know.
	But the way you have this control on stage is something it's great.
	Thank you, man.
	I appreciate that, brother.
	Yeah, it's cool, man.
	How many times do you guys shoot?
	Twice?
	We did four shows.
	Yeah, two a night.
	That venue's so beautiful.
	It shot so well.
	Who shot it?
	Thank you.
	So I had my guys do it.
	Like Shifty Edited.
	I forget the guys who's the DP.
	And then Troy Miller was the director.
	And yeah, it's tricky.
	Like filming stand-up is so tricky, especially when you do these.
	You know, we're used to just kind of doing it all ourselves.
	So then you go do a special.
	Yeah.
	And you kind of realize that like each department is fighting against one another.
	Like the video department wants to make it look beautiful, but making it look beautiful might make the audio sound bad.
	The audio department wants to make it sound beautiful.
	What makes it sound beautiful might mean your mic is really low in the room.
	So now the show could be shitty for the audience.
	You know what I mean?
	So there's like all these, like we had speakers.
	I don't know if you noticed like in the front.
	Like usually a lot of times.
	Yeah, I saw you one time you had your foot up on it.
	Yeah.
	And like most people don't do that because the shot is more beautiful if you just have like raw stage.
	But I was like, I think the special would be better if the audience enjoys it the most.
	Yeah.
	You know what I mean?
	Like that's how I agree with that.
	Because if they have fun, you have fun.
	Exactly.
	I was like, there was one, I think it was like show one, and there was like miscommunication or something.
	The camera guy was a really sweet guy, but like he thought it was his job to just keep walking down the aisle and back up the aisle with the camera.
	And I'm like, bro, they got to believe that this is kind of just happening.
	And when you walk in front of them with a camera, the illusion kind of falls apart, right?
	They feel like they're part of a filming instead of like just part of this show.
	So yeah, that's the tricky thing.
	I wish I didn't even have to tell them we were filming.
	Yeah.
	You know what I mean?
	Right, just make it be a regular show.
	This is just a show.
	So if you guys yell out or do something, this is natural as it could possibly be.
	I wonder if you could have probably could have done that in hindsight.
	Yeah.
	I mean, earlier ones I was able to do that, but I think this one, I don't know, this one, maybe I was like nervous.
	I was like, fuck, I really want to make sure that we could, you know, fill that place four times.
	And, you know, I don't know.
	It's a huge venue.
	It's beautiful.
	What is that?
	Yeah, it's the beacon in New York.
	Wow.
	Yeah, it's pretty.
	Yeah, dude, this looks, I mean, I thought, I was like, this is unbelievable looking.
	Oh, thanks, man.
	Yeah, you guys crushed it.
	Even the font that they chose for Andrew Schultz's life, I thought was perfect.
	There was just a lot of great choices, I thought.
	Yeah, the first, the Netflix special, the first thing that comes up on the black screen, that's actually my wife's handwriting.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	She wasn't aware that that's what it was, but it was.
	Because I don't know how far you are in the special yet, but most of it is this like journey of us trying to get pregnant.
	Yeah, yeah.
	That's where I'm at to like, let me think, oh, after you saw the baby, but you haven't gone through the journey about getting pregnant.
	It's just the actual seeing the child, I guess.
	The C-section story.
	Yeah, all that kind of stuff.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Dude, it's incredible.
	Congrats.
	Thanks, man.
	Thank you.
	Yeah, good to see you, man.
	Good to see you, man.
	Unbelievable, bro.
	Unbelievable.
	It's freaking been a while.
	You've been caught up in some beach.
	You were in the fucking rap beef.
	I was like, this dude, I thought you were going to pop out of Super Bowl.
	You know, I was supposed to go to the Super Bowl.
	I was supposed to be part of the show.
	I was like, how wild is this shit going to get?
	I know.
	We were going to go, actually.
	You were there, right?
	No, I didn't go, man.
	Me and David Spage started making that movie.
	And so we were.
	How's that going?
	It's interesting, man.
	It's done.
	Do you like, do you, because I remember like years ago when we were doing the pod, there was a, you know, hopefully you don't feel bad about me sharing, but you had some frustration with like not being able to create these projects.
	Do you remember us having these conversations where you like, you really wanted to make a TV show and didn't feel like those doors were open?
	And now you're making this movie, you know, you're at the top of the world.
	It must feel pretty cool.
	Well, I think we just did it ourselves.
	Nobody wanted to make it.
	We took it out.
	We took it to the streamers and we.
	Oh, you created your own movie?
	Yeah.
	You filmed it before even?
	No, no, no.
	We pitched it first.
	Okay.
	Right.
	So we pitched it and nobody.
	No way.
	Oh, dude, we couldn't get.
	And it was Spade, you know, I'm like.
	Even with you and Spade at this point in your career, there was still hesitation.
	I just felt like it would have been nice to feel some support there, you know?
	Like it just would have been like, hey, look, just even as a good faith thing, we'll do something.
	Also, you probably got PTSD too from like years of wanting to do these things and not really feeling it.
	That's true.
	And then like now you're at this point where you're on top of the world.
	You're like, all right, now everybody's going to give me the opportunity.
	And then to still feel that, oh, that sucks.
	Yeah, but then I realized it's just how it is.
	It's just life.
	Yeah, I think I didn't feel like I, I don't know if I felt on top.
	I felt like this was a brave thing we were trying to do.
	It was a new thing I was learning.
	But I felt like with Spade, it kind of was going to be okay because he knows what he's doing.
	That's the other thing.
	It's like giving us money to make a movie, like we're kind of knuckleheads.
	It's kind of a bad idea.
	Yeah, it is.
	Like to us, it's a great idea.
	We're like, we'll figure it out.
	And they're like, have you done this before?
	And I'm like, nah, but it's just, it's a movie, right?
	It can't be that hard, right?
	But a guy like Spade, he's done it before.
	He'll fucking know.
	He'll have the camera in his trunk of his car.
	So everything will be fucking.
	It's got all figured out.
	yeah, why do we have that attitude?
	Like, we want to make a movie and it costs $30 million.
	And we're like, these fucking assholes, how dare they not give us $30 million, even though we've proven we could do nothing?
	What is that about?
	That's kind of on us a little bit.
	Oh, totally.
	Is it narcissism?
	Is it ego?
	Well, I think I would never think, give me dirt.
	I would never, like, if they even try to do something like that, I'd be like, this is insane.
	But I think what I realized in it was I just want to do something if I can do it by myself, whether it's win or lose.
	It's like, I'd rather make it something small.
	And then, and even if some like was like, let's, hey, come do it with us or some studio.
	I don't want to do that.
	It's like, I just want to do something that it's like, okay, will people like this?
	Will they believe that I tried my best?
	Like, even if it's not that good, it's like, that's okay.
	I can just tell people that go to see it in advance, hey, I'm not going to be that great in it, but it'll be a cool movie.
	You know, like, I just don't want to lie to it.
	It's just like, as long as there's this transparency, then I think it's fine.
	I think people admire those that take risks.
	I think that's almost like an American thing in general.
	We like risk takers.
	We like people who are brave.
	And I wonder if it's baked in our DNA a little bit, like our family members that left their families around the world to never see them again for like maybe an opportunity here.
	Right.
	Like, I think that we're probably, we have like the DNA of the biggest risk takers on the planet.
	Yeah, like Christopher Columbus, dude, like, what about his sister or whatever?
	Shit, boring bitch.
	Yeah, she just got left and fucking wherever and probably lived a way better life.
	She's not learning Native American.
	She's just chilling.
	She's not over here lying to Indians for fucking, for lunch.
	Just shows up.
	What do you mean there's no goals?
	But dude, you had to imagine taking off in a boat.
	People are like, where are you headed?
	You're like, I don't fucking know.
	You're trying to be cool, right?
	Because it's like your last day on the docks or whatever.
	You're like, I don't know.
	We'll figure it out when we get out there.
	Like, we get out.
	You got to be selling the dream, though.
	You're like, no, no, no, trust me.
	That's true.
	Trust me.
	It's crazy.
	Yeah, they got everything.
	Women that you get out there.
	I heard that you get a couple miles out there.
	There's just a lot of women out there.
	They got them on the way.
	You don't even have to make it the whole way.
	They got stops.
	Yeah, it is.
	So anyway, so I think like naturally, you know, you get a lot of success.
	There are going to be people that enjoy seeing you fail or whatever it is.
	But unfortunately, I guess human beings, we got that in us a little bit.
	But I do also feel like the people that ride for you appreciate the risk that you'd be taking.
	Yeah.
	I do think that's it.
	I think all of us as comedians, I think they do.
	I think that's one of the reasons why comedians and podcasts and maybe does well is because, well, for one, I think we try to this sounds fucking egomaniacal.
	I have no idea.
	Say it, say it, say it.
	But no, I heard somebody say that like a lot of podcasters, they're just trying to figure out the truth.
	They just, they're not, like, we don't work for anybody.
	So it's like you, if you ask somebody a question, it's just because you want to know.
	Usually it's not because like there's a producer saying, let's, let's get this answer.
	Yeah, curiosity is kind of punished in a way.
	But maybe it's because they'll put us on such a pedestal.
	They're like, you should know the answer to these things.
	It's like, well, I don't.
	And that's why this guy's here because I'm trying to figure out the answer to it.
	And I just want to know their take.
	Right.
	I might not even be able to communicate that well a rebuttal or grill them that well, but I just want to like them.
	I want to know what they think.
	And then I'll bring somebody else who thinks something different and I'll ask them that.
	And, but yeah, that is, I guess, maybe some criticism.
	It's like, well, why'd you ask, why didn't you ask this question?
	Or why didn't you rebuke that?
	And it's like, bro, I don't know.
	I don't know anything just yet.
	Yeah, I'm not a doctor.
	I'm not a politician.
	Like, I got in this own trap of just because of last year we got to have some political people on the podcast.
	And I was like, then, dude, there was like a month ago I started thinking like, oh, I'm a political guy, right?
	Did you feel like you had to be informed?
	Were you like reading Wall Street Journal?
	No, I just like, I thought, like, because here was the crazy thing.
	People started coming up to me.
	Political guy.
	Yeah, dude.
	Well, people would come up to me and ask me about political shit.
	I was like, like, asking your take?
	Yeah, dude.
	I was like, well, fuck you, bro.
	I don't know, dude.
	Like, you know, or like, so, but then I started to realize how people's perceptions are affected, like, how they see people, where they see them at, and stuff.
	And then I was like, well, I do have some political thoughts.
	Like, most of them are just kind of regular people's kind of thoughts and ideas.
	Like, they're not super in-depth.
	But yeah, I think for like a week, I started smoking my own nuts and thinking I was like fucking J. Edgar Hoover or somebody.
	I actually think that like whatever your perception of your feelings are about something, that's actually more valuable than what the like factual truth is.
	Oh, yeah.
	Because most people aren't reading up on the factual truth.
	Right.
	Like you got to meet people where they are emotionally.
	That's a good point.
	And people are trusting their gut.
	So I think, yeah, when you do just talk to somebody and you don't let the people, let people decide, well, do I think I believe that guy?
	Do I, you know, and then they get to decide.
	And you might hate what that person says, but don't dismiss him because there might be a lot of people that feel that same way.
	Yeah.
	You know what I mean?
	Like there's a lot of people, like I've heard people say this a lot.
	They go, they go, you know, the economy actually wasn't that bad, you know, under Biden or whatever it is.
	And it's like, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro.
	You can't tell somebody who feels the economy is bad that it's not bad.
	That's a good point.
	Right?
	Like if they feel like the eggs are expensive, that's what they feel.
	It's like, I always say this, like if I get into an argument with my wife, like I do something to piss her off.
	And like, she doesn't want me to explain to her why she shouldn't be upset.
	Right?
	Like, that never works.
	Right.
	Like, I know you're upset, but you shouldn't be because of these reasons.
	She's like, fuck you.
	She just wants me to be like, hey, my bad.
	I'm sorry.
	I made you feel that way.
	And I feel like our whole political discourse, and I don't know anything about politics, but I feel like the whole political discourse is just like, you're wrong because.
	And then the other side going, you're wrong because.
	And then it's just shows set up to dunk on one another.
	Like there's no good faith conversation.
	And the second we're out here having like a good faith conversation, like we bring somebody on and we're just like, all right, so what do you feel about the world?
	People go to us like, you fucking asshole.
	How dare you not dunk on that guy?
	How dare you not humiliate him on your podcast so I can feel good at home?
	It's crazy, right?
	Yeah, yeah.
	And you can't win.
	Like we had like Candace Owens and Hassan Piker.
	They're like different sides of the aisle actually.
	You had like Brogan had Ian Carroll, and you had Candace on, like, I think the same day.
	It was a tough, tough week for his.
	Spooz stayed in socks.
	Booth went to the tunnels.
	Everybody into the tunnels.
	Put the mattresses back in, son.
	We got to regroup.
	But dude, I didn't fucking know.
	I thought it was somebody from the left and somebody from the right, right?
	But I didn't start to go.
	But yeah, I had no idea.
	I was just like, okay, let's hear some different thoughts and different opinions.
	That's the other thing I realized.
	Like, I think it was after the last special, right?
	I was like, okay, you know what?
	I'm going to kind of chill.
	Like, I want to spend time with my family, my friends.
	Like, I'm not going to go out and do as many pods and stuff like that.
	You know, I got a lot of work that I'm doing at home.
	And I don't know what that, like, I'm not saying I'm famous, but I don't know what the fuck it is to be famous.
	Like, I never wanted to be famous.
	Like, I knew that that might have been like a byproduct of having success in comedy, but it wasn't like, I never studied being famous.
	Like, I didn't give a fuck about like how to be a famous person.
	Does that make sense?
	We, I mean, well, who knew that podcasts would have such would be and clips of podcasts would get out so right?
	Yeah.
	So like, I remember I was like, okay, I'm not, I'm just going to chill.
	I'm like, I'm not going to be doing as many pods, et cetera.
	And that's the thing that I realized, like, having different voices on your pod doesn't really do anything for your, for the people's perception of you that aren't your fans.
	Wait, say it one more time so I hear it.
	So like, so we probably, I don't want to put words in your mouth, but like, we probably think like, I'm going to have different voices on my podcast.
	And like, one, I'm curious and I want to know what they think, but two, I want to also like let the people out there in the world know, like, I care about hearing from different people.
	Yeah.
	And I care about having diversity of thought on my podcast.
	Right.
	The people that don't know you, the casuals, are just judging you by the worst thing you've ever had on your podcast and the worst thing you've ever said.
	I didn't realize this until recently.
	The best way to like thwart those perceptions of you is not by having people on your show because the casuals don't watch your show.
	It's by going to your biggest critics show and sitting down with them.
	Or not even your biggest critic, but like going to somebody who like might have a very different like worldview than you.
	And then you guys sit down and realize, oh shit, we actually don't have that different a worldview.
	That was all a perception.
	Anyway, I think a lot of times we go, okay, we're really busy.
	It's like hard for us to go around and do different shows and that kind of stuff because I think our perception is not going like, how can I be the most famous person?
	Like, I don't give a fuck.
	I want to make the coolest stand-up that I possibly can.
	I want to hang out with my friends and I want to talk some shit on podcasts.
	Like that's enough for me.
	But I realize the importance now of going to other people's homes and having those conversations.
	You know, like we had Hassan on our pod.
	It probably would have been more beneficial for me to also go on his stream and talk to him and let him bring up shit that I said and like tell me, have him tell me like why I'm missing this like nuance point and be like, oh, that's interesting.
	Like that might actually be better for the people that barely understand me or don't even know what you're saying.
	To have like a more holistic view of me and like understand who I am.
	Right to actually go into their world a little bit more.
	Yeah, because then you find things about me that might not come up on the pod.
	Like you start asking me things about like how I feel about, you know, I don't know, whatever it is.
	I don't know if it's fucking like Marxism or some shit like that.
	And I go, oh, yeah, maybe that.
	Actually, that kind of sounds good on paper.
	I don't know.
	It'd be nice if there was a little bit more equality for people and people who had nothing had the ability to come up.
	That'd be pretty cool.
	A little light Marxism.
	Yeah.
	Just light?
	Nah, you know what I mean?
	You got to cut it with something.
	You need majority capitalism.
	You know, it's like a cappuccino.
	You know what I mean?
	You can't have, we're not taking espresso shots of Marxism.
	You know what I mean?
	We like capitalism.
	Yeah, just a fucking latte.
	Just, yeah, half calf.
	Damn, dude.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	It's all, it's definitely been mainstream media just got so like, I don't know.
	The whole thing has been bizarre, man.
	Being a part of podcasting, you know, all the strange little connections that are out there.
	I mean, like you were saying, Gavin Newsom just started a podcast where he's having people who kind of disagree with him when he had Charlie Kirk on.
	I think it's a really smart thing.
	Which is pretty wild, you know?
	I think it's a really smart thing.
	We're talking about that at the beginning.
	And Dove, your producer, said that, well, he felt like this was kind of Newsom's last hope, too.
	It's like, cause he's probably on the way out.
	So unless he could do something to salvage that.
	100%.
	But having a podcast and it's having people you don't agree with hang out with you for a while is pretty it's also like show you that's the exact word I was gonna it's like brave you want to show bravery and I think like not to be political whatever but I think in the last and again I don't care about politics but like culture is interesting to me but I think in the last you know election with the podcast run and I just want to say personally I don't think that we changed the election at all I have no ego about that that was decided way before us yeah like it it made me made people
	feel more comfortable voicing how they were already gonna vote but I don't think people are watching like I'm completely flipped on this yeah that's insane also yeah but uh but yeah I think that the lack of representation of Kamala and even like her constituents on the podcast run I think it showed a lack of bravery like the feeling was like oh they're scared to go have potentially tough conversations it wasn't even going to be tough with us I know what are we going to grill her on I
	couldn't even think of a thing I mean I heard that she roller skated a lot and I wouldn't be curious about that but it's like other than that it's like I don't know what everybody talked about but her people are going we can't go on feel I mean he's just gonna come with the hard-hitting question like what right like something like that is insane but we don't you don't you appreciate that like is as much as Gavin Newsome just seems like a plastic bag in the wind I'm also like hey this I look brave you're willing to sit down on something recording I wouldn't talk
	to Charlie Kirk that motherfucker is a good arguer yo Candace too Candace I always say Rogan said Candace is is John Wick do not get in her way uh-uh oh she yeah she's definitely uh yeah when you said her kid looked like anthony smith i was like you daughters i was like you a crazy motherfucker right there bro daughter and look a beautiful kid you can stop the beautiful that's what you do you stop the beautiful because you do not want candid to get fixated.
	Okay, you do not want her to get fixated.
	The second she comes up with a Theo video, you got to hope something happens in Israel, Palestine.
	Shifty attention.
	Gaza untape.
	I need a money.
	Bro, that was layered because you made it German as well.
	I brought that in.
	I can't believe it happened.
	Thank you, dude.
	Gazunta is.
	I did not believe that was going to come up.
	I just started with Gaza, and then I was like, this won't be funny.
	I hope people get how layered that is.
	That's good.
	That was teamwork, though.
	I don't know about that really well.
	You went 101 right there.
	I said that her daughter looks stupidly.
	She's beautiful.
	Oh, the daughter is beautiful.
	I think what we got to say is that Anthony Smith is a beautiful little girl.
	Yeah, I think that's the better way of describing.
	He's a savage fighter.
	He's the fisty Charlemagne, baby.
	I think that's all it's safe to say.
	I think that's all it's safe to say.
	You know, he does look mixed a little bit.
	Is he mixed?
	Anthony, yeah, he is.
	Mixed or what?
	I don't know.
	I think he's, you know, he's latte or whatever they call it.
	He is.
	But Anthony's incredible.
	And that little, and that daughter looks incredible.
	She's beautiful.
	I know.
	Yeah, she's beautiful.
	But shout out to Candace.
	It's so funny how like.
	Shout out to Charlemagne, too.
	I just made a joke one time about him.
	I said he was.
	Oh, he's handsome.
	Yeah, he's handsome.
	He loved that one.
	And I don't remember what happened with it, but I just thought it was.
	I think he brought it up.
	He was like, this is a deal, Monte.
	Stop handsome.
	He doesn't age, though.
	Oh, dude.
	No, he's killing it.
	He's killing it.
	I would like to get to meet him.
	I don't know if I've ever met.
	I got to connect you guys, man.
	You guys would have a great talk.
	I bet we probably would.
	Of course.
	Yeah, I saw that they just had, who did they have on there that I love?
	Who won?
	Breakfast Club?
	Yeah.
	I can't remember.
	Yo, the Candace Baldoni stuff.
	I don't know if you were following that at all.
	I didn't get into that.
	I don't get into a lot of the celebrity lore.
	The only reason why it's interesting to me is that, you know, like Candace has been positioned in a way on the internet, right?
	Like, and she existed there and people had her opinions on her.
	And like, everybody was stuck.
	They're like, that's this girl.
	And bad.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	We don't listen to her at all.
	And she started talking about that Baldoni Blake Lively thing.
	And even my wife was hitting me like, have you heard this Candice Owens girl talking about?
	I mean, she just exposes the whole thing.
	Like, it's crazy how like social utility frames how people see you.
	So you could be a bad guy and then you start talking in depth about something that people care about.
	And then all of a sudden, while you're talking about that, you're a good guy.
	You're a hero.
	That's interesting.
	Like, what does that say about us?
	Is it what's the same with the politic thing?
	It's like people see you talking to a politician.
	And now, like at your Christmas and family stuff, people are coming up and talking to you about, asking you about politics and shit and foreign protocol or whatever.
	You're like, what should we do in Syria, Theo?
	You're like, man, let me make a call or two.
	I don't know.
	Yeah, people are asking if I was going to be an ambassador to something.
	Why would you be an ambassador to?
	I don't know.
	You're going to ask for Louisiana.
	Yeah, but we don't need one of them.
	Yeah, but we should make a special position.
	Yeah, but we need.
	Hey, look, I don't know if you heard some of the slang down there, but we need someone who could communicate.
	We need an interpreter between the White House and Boosie, okay?
	Because we're losing information.
	Theo Vaughn for Ambassador of Louisiana.
	The greatest thing the Trump administration has ever done.
	Shake it like a dog, baby.
	Do what you do.
	I'll be breaking down rap lyrics for him.
	Dude, that is creepy.
	Is that Robert Green's face on the 48 Laws of Power?
	Oh, my God.
	That is one of the most terrifying things I keep looking at over your shoulder.
	That's crazy.
	I thought it was Dexter.
	Now, he looks like Vigo from Ghostbusters 2. Remember the dude in the painting?
	Bring him up.
	Vigo.
	Did you see Ghostbusters 2?
	No, no, I didn't see it.
	My mom wouldn't let us watch that kind of stuff.
	Oh, wow, he does.
	And so do I a little bit.
	And so does Alan Dershowitz.
	So you are involved in politics.
	You know all these names.
	You're plugged in, bro.
	But aren't we plugged in?
	Here's the funny thing about Candace is they were like, you're an anti-Semite.
	And she's like, fucking call me whatever you want.
	I'm a fucking, I have one of the top 10 podcasts in the world.
	She really don't care.
	She doesn't give up.
	She is.
	She does not.
	And the amount of people that listen to her.
	That's true.
	It's true.
	And she changes public sentiment.
	Like, she flipped that whole Blake Ladley Baldone thing.
	That flipped.
	Like, he was a, I don't want to say pariah, but people are like, this guy's a fucking douchebag, another one of these, like, I'm a male feminist guys, and then you're really a creep on set.
	She completely 180'd the internet on that.
	Baldoni got to give her a check.
	That's a good point.
	And she don't even want it, I bet.
	She got to be so rich because you need to have some money to be that brave and have kids.
	That's a good point, huh?
	Right.
	Like, once you have kids, you got to be, you know, you got to make sure you can protect those kids.
	The dad must be like a rifleman or something.
	The dad of the babies, right?
	The dad.
	Yeah, somebody has to be.
	They're going to hire Anthony Smith now to actually help protect our family.
	That'd be pretty great, actually.
	Denzel Washington Man on Fire.
	Yeah.
	That would be pretty great.
	Dude, that'd be so great.
	They show up to their next some place with the whole family and Anthony Smith as their fucking bodyguard.
	That would be pretty sick, dude.
	Bro, she could be in the bodyguard.
	That's the new bodyguard starring Canis Owens and Anthony Smith.
	Wow.
	Whose baby is it?
	You don't want to do that?
	No, she'll get pissed, dude.
	You don't want to do that.
	And what if she breaks the story down?
	She finds out that it's, that's the whole story.
	Stop it, stop it, stop it.
	You have a deep dive on her.
	And she's surprised by her own results.
	You would never see that coming.
	No, but that sounds like a cool, it actually sounds like a cool movie or something.
	But we're just joking, Candace.
	We do not know.
	Candace, by the way, we want no problems at all.
	Zero problems.
	Are we all looking into the camps when we say this?
	We want zero problems.
	Okay.
	Zero problems.
	Weinstein didn't do it.
	That's what she's on.
	That's what she's saying now.
	That's what she's saying.
	But yeah, I will say that.
	You can't predict her at all.
	No.
	She's brave and she's thorough.
	Yeah.
	And she's never lost a lawsuit.
	she is, but it is kind of crazy how, like, the mainstream media had just been this machine, and then now you're starting to see, like, oh, well, what about these stories you never heard about?
	What about the fact that some information might not even be true because it was all just kind of like part of a plan?
	Like, yeah, that shit's kind of wild.
	Yeah.
	And that makes podcasting and like freelance communication or whatever it's called even more interesting.
	Well, yeah.
	I don't even know what to believe.
	Now, when I'm, you see clips and I start, but I'm like, oh, this is what I, and you're like, dude, I have, there's no real place to get complete factual truth.
	Well, maybe.
	Except your instinct.
	Yeah, but maybe because like there is no complete factual truth.
	That could be it too.
	I think that's the thing.
	And I think it was probably easier when there's like a few different news channels to disseminate information.
	Like kind of we all agree on more or less, hey, this is what happened during the Civil War.
	Right.
	This is what happened during the Revolutionary War.
	This is what happened during World War II.
	I didn't even know Russia did anything during World War II until like a few years ago.
	I found out like 25 million Russians died in World War II.
	Uh-uh.
	Yeah.
	Are you serious?
	Yeah.
	Pull that up.
	How many Russians died in World War II?
	That's unbelievable.
	You don't ever hear about that.
	Never hear about it.
	But why would we teach that?
	Right.
	You know?
	But it gives you a different concept of who did what.
	27 million.
	Wow.
	Oh my God.
	Yeah.
	19 million civilian deaths, 8.7 million military deaths.
	That's the thing with Russia.
	It's tricky.
	Yeah.
	And then immediately afterwards, you know, we started beefing in the Cold War and all that kind of stuff.
	But yeah, we had a united cause at one point in time because I think Hitler invaded Russia.
	Oh, wow.
	Yeah.
	But the problem with invading Russia is like they have a like a cultural acceptance of misery.
	Right.
	So they kind of like it in the beginning.
	Is that what you're saying?
	Of war, you're saying?
	They're like, oh, finally, this is our, we're back to homeostasis.
	Be our guest.
	Be our guest.
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	Yeah, exactly.
	So, so I don't know.
	I just feel like if like Americans, we like it.
	We like, we like, we like nice shit.
	We like being comfortable.
	We're brave.
	That's what I will say.
	Like, I don't have concerns about us losing a war because I do think that we value freedom.
	Like, I don't think we would ever accept being controlled by another country.
	And I think that the majority of us would rather die before that happens.
	Or we just don't know that it's happening.
	Here you go again.
	Theo?
	Theo, here you go.
	Theo, Theo, Theo, what country are you talking about?
	Theo?
	Theo?
	Candace, see what she's talking, Candace.
	Theo, what are you talking about right now, Thean?
	Theo?
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	That's the problem with like getting controversial.
	Having people talk to us with like really compelling arguments is like, I will believe the last YouTube video I saw.
	Whoever put this shit up this quickly, this got to be AI, right?
	This has got to be AI.
	There is no way.
	There is no way.
	Oh my God.
	Hey, you're asking for it.
	Whoever's doing this is asking for it.
	You need to stop right now.
	Listen, this is not bad.
	Whoever's doing this.
	Hey, this looks great.
	Oh, my God.
	She's stunning.
	Beautiful woman.
	Wow.
	I look like, oh, that's Anthony Smith.
	I thought that was my face.
	That is my face.
	Yeah, you don't.
	Tio.
	Tio, Tio, Tio.
	Theo cast himself in the movie.
	I cast myself as Anthony Smith.
	Lip is the same.
	That's crazy.
	I looked at that two times.
	I was like, I wonder how they did that, but let's go.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	Oh, it's not going to age well.
	It'll be fine.
	Candace, it's, we're joking.
	It's all jokes.
	But yeah, I mean, but the worst, if you see a Charleston White video before you go to see the film, that's the last one you see.
	That's a wild dude, Charleston.
	Have you had him on your show?
	Nah, have you?
	Uh-uh.
	That's a wild dude, man.
	He is just so unpredictable.
	The next sentence he says is also one of these things where it's like, people who say wild shit can also be hilarious.
	Let's stop acting like both of those can't be true.
	You know what I mean?
	Like him, Dr. Umar, I love Dr. Umar.
	I've been trying to get Dr. Umar on my show forever.
	Really?
	Well, he thinks I want to debate him.
	Oh, yeah.
	And I don't think he understands that.
	Like, I'm just a fan.
	Like, I just think he's a hilarious communicator.
	Does the culture, does black culture fuck with Dr. Umar or no?
	As the spokesman for black culture, I would say yes.
	Yeah, I would say yes.
	That's fair.
	Yeah.
	That's fair.
	Yeah, because I know sometimes people are iffy on Charleston White in the black culture, you know?
	Yeah, yeah, because I feel like maybe it's like his position is more critical.
	Right.
	Whereas like maybe Dr. Umar also has the same critiques of certain things, but he is like, hey, we're black first and we got to stay united.
	We got to lock this down.
	We got to do what's best for the community.
	But he is a like magnificently gifted speaker.
	Like he just talks in sound bites.
	He has this like pastoral repetition.
	Like remember like early Chris Rock, how he would like repeat the premise over and over again?
	And it kind of like just emblazoned into your head.
	But yeah, man.
	Have you ever talked to him?
	Charleston White?
	No, no, Dr. Umar?
	Yeah.
	No, I just.
	You're familiar with him, right?
	I just heard about him.
	No joking, one week ago.
	No way.
	Somebody mentioned, have you seen Dr. Umar?
	I think my buddy Zita told me about him and showed me him.
	Oh, dude.
	Oh, I thought that was fucking Kendrick Perkins or whatever.
	I just saw this guy.
	So you thought Dr. Umar was moonlighting on TNT?
	And now everybody's just trusting everything he says.
	I was like, have you been fucking changed?
	Like, why is Drewski going to him for dating advice?
	Why is Kendrick Perkins that they came after Drewski?
	Yeah, that bullshit ass claim and against Odell too.
	That's the thing.
	And then like, whatever girl did that shit, like, we'll never hear from her again.
	So you can just say these stupid shit.
	It's just, you should be, you should have to go to jail for that.
	Yeah.
	You should have to go to jail for that shit.
	Yeah.
	Because he has to go out and say, I didn't do that.
	Like, that's a crazy thing to have to say as a human.
	Jay-Z had to say that shit.
	And then they just dropped a lawsuit.
	Did you see that?
	Against Jay-Z?
	Yeah.
	And then again, nobody even notices when the lawsuit dropped.
	It's like, you got to scream it from the rooftops or else nobody will pay attention.
	And that goes to that like hater shit with the successfuls.
	It's like that story was so popular because there was probably a lot of people that were like, man, fuck Jay-Z for having a perfect wife and an amazing family and a child and billions of dollars.
	Yeah, he probably did that shit.
	Damn.
	And so then they're the ones tweeting it, sharing it, everything.
	And there's bots now.
	I mean, it's just, it's definitely bizarre.
	You got to trust your own gut.
	But yeah, you could see an article.
	It's the last thing you saw.
	And then you're like, people are like, damn, wasn't that guy addicted to drugs?
	And you're like, that guy is just won an Oscar.
	It's just like, you know what I'm saying?
	If you didn't tap into what's been going on, you know, it's all crazy, man.
	You'll see stories about yourself that are crazy.
	I saw a story that I was like a Ola Jar Chi's child or something from the third generation or something.
	And I was like, like a billionaire's stepchild or whatever.
	And I was like, what are you fucking talking?
	I was like, if my dad, if we had any money, they'd never, no one ever had it.
	But yo, here's the thing with that story is like, that story is just to discredit you.
	Right?
	Like, if you come from crazy money, everybody gets to go, ah, see, it's not real.
	And he actually didn't have to experience this kind of traumatic childhood.
	And like, this is all bullshit.
	It's like the story is specifically designed to cut your legs out from under you.
	It's like, why do people want to do that?
	Why is that?
	And maybe it's in all human beings.
	Maybe it's just something that we have to grapple with.
	But I imagine like the more confident you are in yourself, the more happy you could be for people who get success.
	Yeah, that's a good point, man.
	I think realizing that, well, I think for a while you come from like a scarcity mentality, you know, where you're like, man, shit's not going to like, fuck, somebody's something bad's going to, you know, this ain't going to be okay.
	This is going to go away.
	Right.
	This starts to change or like the government's just going to come and take everything from you.
	You can't believe that it's happened after so many years of trying.
	Yeah.
	And then also you like, you don't know how to have like things.
	And so you're like, well, dude, I remember being ashamed of myself when I didn't have anything and being ashamed of myself when I did have something.
	But it was really crazy.
	It was like, I tried to hide, always mask my life because I didn't want people thinking that, seeing that I didn't have anything or that I didn't feel like I was anything.
	And then even when I got a house in Nashville, it's a nice home.
	It's not like, you know, some crazy, it's not, it's a nice home, but it's not like a billion dollar home or anything.
	But I didn't want to show people my living.
	I just didn't want them to see, like, you know, I don't know.
	It's just fucking crazy.
	It was like, so in the end, there was some part of me that just didn't want to be, that either only cared about what you thought or just didn't want to be happy for myself, no matter what.
	And then you can never feel comfortable no matter where you are in this, in this journey, man.
	It's, and that's, I guess, what is, what would they say?
	That, that comes down to like self-acceptance.
	It's like once you accept it, like you, you should be entitled to your success and you work hard for it, then you're not as dependent on like the validation of others.
	I know.
	But it's hard to get away from that.
	I think.
	I don't know if it's hard.
	Some things like doing ayahuasca, that kind of stuff has helped a lot of that stuff, though.
	Yeah.
	That kind of stuff's been a, been a, um.
	You've done that a few times?
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah.
	I like it, dude.
	Really?
	Yeah, you do it enough times, they give you this jacket.
	Oh, yeah, definitely.
	Some guy walks out of the jungle in Costa Rica.
	Jaqueta, para ti.
	You get a punch card.
	Therefore, that wants to drill to get a nickel's Letterman jacket.
	That is so ridiculous, dude.
	That is cool.
	You know who told me?
	Neil told me that.
	Oh, yeah.
	Neil Brennan became the, he became like this connector.
	Go on.
	But no, I think that's kind of what it is.
	Like, you know, Neil is one of his superpowers is his cynicism.
	You know, like he's constantly consumed.
	I hope he doesn't mind me saying this, but he's constantly consumed of like what the worst case scenario of something would be or what the worst, what the worst person would think about the thing he's doing.
	And what's good about that is like when you're creating stuff, there's an advantage in that you're always thinking about what your biggest critic could say.
	So maybe you really try to sharpen every premise and sharpen every joke and make sure there's no fat and it's like infallible.
	And the negative aspect about that is that like, if you're just creating for them, it's hard to create something authentically.
	And then he said, he was like, listen, after I did that, like that voice started to dim a bit.
	And like, I didn't have, I wasn't constantly consumed with the critic.
	And I was able to make, I think, my best shit.
	And I think that's true.
	It's like, it's hard to create authentically when you're worried about what critics would say.
	Like you're just making shit for them, you know?
	Like for somebody, especially when your whole life, you've only tried to, you've gained a lot of your acceptance from other people.
	Yeah.
	You know, I think that's probably been a lot in my life, but I didn't even know who I was.
	There wasn't a me.
	So the only thing there was was your reaction.
	Yeah.
	So I didn't fucking.
	Do you think you found yourself?
	I think it's gotten better as I've gotten older.
	I think some of it is getting older.
	You just kind of like, I can't even fucking, whoever you are, motherfucker, we gotta.
	Come out.
	We ain't got a lot of time left, bro.
	You've been hiding for 40 years, my boy.
	Like, enjoy some of this shit.
	We got a new jacket.
	Hey, bro.
	Hey, man, come on, Adam.
	We gotta figure this shit out.
	You just getting tired of it?
	That's funny.
	That's great, dude.
	Yeah, so I don't know, but I think also you just get older and you're like, there's just no, whatever part of you that still cares about that shit starts to go away.
	I think it's just exhausted too.
	It's chasing its tail kind of.
	Maybe that's the, maybe that's the release for you with something like ayahuasca, where instead of like constantly searching for what it is and who you are, you do feel connected to whatever this greater existence is.
	And you just get to go, okay, I'm not going to fucking worry all day about what exactly I am and what I don't have and just be this, you know, bottomless pit that a lot of us in entertainment can be.
	Like there is, and maybe that's what you need.
	Maybe you need that reminder.
	Yeah.
	Maybe you need that reminder you're part of something bigger.
	Yeah, I think that that's a good point because once you feel like you're part of something bigger, there's some connection, then you kind of don't just think about yourself.
	You're not as isolated.
	Yeah, you're not.
	There's something liberating about knowing things are way bigger than you.
	Yeah.
	When it's not bigger than you, it's very easy to get caught in your own head.
	It's fuck.
	It's a lot of pressure, I imagine.
	If you're just thinking about you and like how you're being perceived and if you're becoming the man you thought you would be and you know, if you feel comfortable with the success you've had, how other people will react to that success.
	Oh, yeah.
	That's crippling.
	That shit, yeah.
	There's a lot of stuff that's kind of like scary, I think, as you get older.
	I think, yeah, popularity is kind of scary.
	Watching your own ego and being conscious of like, what is your ego and what is just you trying to have some self-confidence in yourself, especially if some of those things are kind of like, you're like kind of a late bloomer and some of that shit's happening, you know, can be, happens simultaneously.
	It's all, yeah.
	What's an example of that?
	I mean, even some of the, like thinking about it, I knew something about politics.
	It was like just the fact that it took me a couple of weeks to realize, dude, you don't know about fucking politics.
	Like, yeah, you got to talk to some political people, but do, and how much do they really know?
	But it's like, don't, that's a trap, right?
	What do you know about?
	You know about like being curious.
	You know about like wanting to talk to different people.
	You know about trying to be funny.
	I think politics is always a reflection of culture.
	Like politics is downstream from cultural needs and necessities.
	And I think that one of the things that's made you so successful is I think you're deeply connected to culture.
	Like you're aware of what people are feeling.
	You're aware of what they're frustrated by.
	And, you know, regardless if there's like data analysis to back up every single one of those claims, like to me, that doesn't mean anything.
	Like you can list out all the facts you fucking want, but like you're aware of people's frustrations.
	And politicians have to react to that.
	So you don't need to know like what fucking senator is pushing what bill because they're all reacting to the thing that you're more acutely aware of, probably than even them.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I guess it can like.
	You can't be a comedian if, or at least a high-performing comedian, if you're not in touch with like what people are feeling.
	Yeah.
	Like I at its core, I think that's really what makes somebody a good comic.
	Yeah, and how to stay like, just how to like stay and stay connected to that type of thing, I guess, you know?
	And sometimes with success, it's harder to connect to it.
	And it's also harder for them to connect to you.
	That's probably why you want to hide the house in Nashville.
	You're like, fuck, well, they feel like they can't relate to me because of this new life I live.
	that's something that like, so I grew up in New York city.
	Right.
	Yeah, I grew up in Manhattan.
	And one of the Things about growing up in Manhattan, it's incredibly humbling.
	Like, you never feel you weren't in the newsies.
	You were not in the newsies.
	I was in the newsies.
	Were you really?
	No, I was in the newsies.
	Have people asked you that before?
	No, no, you're not.
	I don't remember when that was, but I love that movie.
	Google movie.
	I think Christian Bale was in that shit.
	Yeah.
	Crutchy, that little guy.
	Like, give me the paint.
	So fucking.
	That was my childhood.
	Just saying fucking bullshit.
	You got a fucking kid on one crutch.
	I skip through fucking sell the newspapers.
	Hiking up the LIC with a fucking sack of newspapers, dude.
	LIE.
	LIE.
	LIE with a sack of newspapers, man.
	But anyway, like you just humble constantly.
	You never feel like you got money.
	There's always somebody way richer.
	There's always somebody with a way better job.
	There's always some of a better creature.
	Like because you're in the city where the most successful of all the people have.
	So you never feel like, you never feel this concern that you were talking about, which is like, oh, if I show this nice thing I have, people will think that I consider myself better than them or something.
	If you grow up in New York, you never feel that way because there's always someone so much higher than you.
	You know what I mean?
	There's always some so much more wealthy than you.
	So it's just this, there's like a hustle mentality, which is like, I'm going to work really fucking hard for as long as I possibly can.
	And I'm going to try to get some nice shit, but I'm going to earn it.
	I'm not going to just have it handed to me.
	I'm going to fucking bust my ass.
	But when I do get it, I don't feel guilty about it because it ain't even as close as nice as the guy who lives three blocks that way.
	So I, but I understand like my mom's from Scotland, like fucking, you know, comes from nothing.
	There's that sentiment of like you getting something nice.
	The community could feel like, oh, do you think you're, you think you're better than us now?
	Cause you got this fancy house?
	Oh, yeah.
	When I was a kid, like, if somebody could read, people would call him a f ⁇ .
	You know?
	Like, if you got a, if somebody brought home a B on our bus, dude, it fucking, you were just a, just a fucking sick homosexual.
	You know?
	Yeah.
	You fucking.
	Yeah, they would beat you up.
	I mean, they would let people ride home on our bus with no shirts on.
	And I'm like, and yeah, I'd be like, well, why don't people have to have shirts on or whatever?
	But it was just like, yeah, it was just, yeah, I don't know.
	It's tough.
	You want to kind of stay like, I don't know, as your life changes and as you get older, things change, your life gets bigger.
	And you kind of sometimes want to just stay the same.
	Like, I think there's parts of moments in my life that I really miss where I was real comfortable.
	And I think as your life changes sometimes, it probably is like a new space.
	What's that been like for you having a child since I know a lot of your special was about it?
	Like the greatest.
	Was that something that took away a lot of that just worrying about yourself type of thing?
	I mean, did it really?
	Or you just, is that something that people just say?
	I'm glad that you asked that second question.
	But the weird thing about having a kid is it is literally every cliche that anybody has ever said.
	Oh, that's a little shilo.
	Dang, huh?
	Look cutie.
	Wow, at the beach, rich, huh?
	What UFC fighter does she look like?
	Oh, no.
	Hold on.
	Don't do it.
	Huh?
	I think we got to do it.
	For your wife, you have to say that.
	She, and this is, Nick, you know who it is.
	He's got a fight coming up.
	Michael Chandler.
	A little, but he's fighting Volkanovsky.
	Oh, a Tigalopis?
	A little?
	Oh, my God.
	He's a pretty motherfucker.
	This compliment was acceptable.
	That's got to be a new segment.
	I think the Dealbomb podcast is, yo, yo, yo, he's good.
	He's good.
	That's pretty cute.
	Oh, cute.
	I still want him to hear me say that.
	But there's something very charming about him.
	She's a beautiful young lady.
	That's going to be a great fight.
	Shout out Volk, too, man.
	I think that is an exciting fight, huh?
	Yeah.
	Seeing Volkanovsky sing the other night about.
	He's got a voice, bro.
	I know.
	He's got a good voice.
	And it's just fun to see his, like, it's so great, I think, if fighters are around long enough where you get to see their personality.
	Like, they used to only have to just be so tough, and now they can do that, but also have a bit of showmanship.
	Yeah, we want to connect to them.
	Yeah.
	But I will, you know, back to the kid.
	Back to the kid.
	Yeah.
	It's every cliche you've ever heard, times a thousand.
	Like, and it's, there's a reason why that exists, I imagine.
	It's like we all should have this reaction towards children, right?
	Like their smile is the best smile.
	Their laugh is the best laugh.
	It's the most incredible experience you ever had in your life.
	And there's a little part of you as like a comedian that goes, you know, oh, I'm going to have these unique takes on being a father.
	And it is, your takes are so similar to every other person who's ever been a dad, which is, which is now I see as a beautiful thing.
	Right.
	But yeah, your life gets really small.
	I can only speak for myself, but like, I just don't care as much about other things.
	You know, like I want to spend time with her.
	I want to spend time with my wife.
	And I, as long as they're proud of me and happy with me, that's enough.
	Right.
	Anything else is it's icing on the cake.
	It feels really good.
	Like the response to the special feels really good.
	It's like amazing.
	Like all these people who went through IVF and had a similar journey as us to like get pregnant.
	Like they, they're talking about it like feels really good.
	Yeah.
	But but I'll tell you one thing, as long as like my wife and baby are happy with me, like that's yeah, it's it is an amazing, I hope you experience it, man.
	If that's something that you'd like to experience, but it's awesome.
	I'd like to have that, man.
	It's cool to hear a parent say that too.
	You know, I think that like, it's nice to hear a parent say those things about their family.
	It's so cool, man.
	It is.
	Also, you'll watch it like.
	It's very, very rare in life you get to see somebody give 100%.
	Like really 100%.
	And like when you watch them in labor, it's 100%.
	Really?
	It's just they're giving everything they possibly can give.
	What happens if they just do 80% or whatever, 60%?
	That baby stays in there, bro.
	Like we had to do a C-section.
	We, my wife had to do a C-section, obviously.
	I had to do anything.
	I just sat there like an asshole.
	But it was.
	But yeah, it's just amazing what they're willing to do.
	Like my wife lost a lot of blood and like 50 Cent almost.
	Literally, it was like, yeah.
	It's very similar, actually, to what 50 went through.
	I got to talk to 50 about that.
	I was like, dude, you basically got a C-section out there in Jamaica, Queens, bro.
	We talk about that?
	Yeah.
	50 C. 50 C. He's good.
	He's fucking good.
	No, but, but, bro, he was like, she had no energy left.
	She had no blood in her system left.
	And they asked her, they're like, can you do a little breastfeeding for the baby?
	Cause she needs to eat right now.
	And then they're like, if you don't have energy, that's fine.
	She breastfeeds the baby.
	The second the baby pulls off.
	This is like after, I don't know how long it is.
	She goes, my wife is like, is she good?
	And the doctor's, yeah, she's good.
	And the second the doctor takes her off, she just closes her eyes and passes out.
	But it's like, there's this like primal urge to do anything for that.
	They'll do anything for that baby.
	And it is like, yeah, it's a beautiful human experience to watch somebody love something like otherworldly love.
	And yeah, I think it's a really important part of, if you, if you're lucky enough to be able to do it, it's a really important part of like the life experience.
	It just makes everything, it makes everything small and worthwhile.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, dude.
	That's, yeah.
	Thanks for sharing that, man.
	Sure.
	What's it like to see your parents interact with your child?
	So my dad is dementia.
	No, he's sick, right?
	Yeah, he's had dementia for a while now.
	So it's hard for him to.
	He did the intro to your special.
	Yeah, that was pretty cool.
	It was cool, dude.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I was wondering, was that tough for you guys to get him to pull it off?
	It was okay.
	You know, it's interesting is like he's like, we put the, this is, we filmed that actually at the early part of the tour.
	I loved how your special started off with the joke because it all, it made me, it just like, oh, I'm already having a nice time.
	Boom.
	I thought it was a great choice.
	Y'all made, I thought it was one of the best.
	I thought it was one of the best I'd seen in a while.
	Thanks, man.
	Yeah, it was cool to, yeah, the first one we were thinking about.
	We're like, should we just start the joke?
	And then like, the first thing is, I think I go, you guys want to hear my favorite New York joke?
	And we could have just cut that line, but there's part of me that went like, if I'm just hanging out with friends and I go, yo, I got a good joke.
	You guys, my friends or anybody else in that group will go, yeah, I like hearing a good joke.
	Like, this is why I'm tuning into a special.
	Like, sometimes I feel like the first joke you tell on stage is the most inauthentic because it's like, hey, we're going to do this thing where I talk and you guys just listen.
	And once we get into it, it will all make sense.
	But the first 30 seconds or a minute of it is inauthentic in a way.
	Unless I honestly tell you, hey, you guys ready?
	I'm going to tell you a joke.
	Does that make sense while I'm trying to communicate?
	I've never thought about that before.
	Yeah, there's this kind of moment where everybody pretends like they don't know you're about to tell it.
	Like they kind of like, there's this weird moment in the beginning.
	We have to suspend disbelief or whatever it is.
	What's he going to do?
	We know what we're doing.
	Juggle or yeah.
	Remodel the building.
	So I don't know.
	I was like, how do I just make it feel like authentic or natural or whatever?
	And but yeah, but having my dad do it, the intro is just the coolest fucking thing.
	How many takes do you have to do with the mention?
	How many, how did you get it?
	So that we did a, I mean, he was able to, he was able to knock it out, but we tell him the line right before every single time.
	Yeah.
	You know, you just give it up for my son, Andrew Schultz.
	Like, and it's, he goes and says it.
	And then you could really feel him.
	It was like really beautiful.
	I'll probably get emotional.
	But he was like, really, he really wanted to do it.
	You know?
	Yeah.
	And like, he was, he's been a great father.
	So it's like, and he's like trying to remember it, you know, and like, yeah, it was just really, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It was cool.
	That's awesome, man.
	It makes me sad kind of.
	Not sad, but it makes me.
	No, it's beautiful.
	Yeah, it's something that's real.
	It's, yeah, it's beautiful.
	My son is.
	Yeah.
	You know what I mean?
	Oh, dude.
	Right when I saw that, because I remember seeing the video that you shared about when you were going to play Madison Square Gardens.
	Yeah.
	And it was like, that was like something that everybody could relate to.
	And yeah, when I saw that, it was like, because, yeah, I don't know.
	He was, he was, and I keep saying he was, which is fucked up, but like he had a, he had a really shitty dad that like wasn't there for him at all.
	And he didn't have me until like late.
	But he like, he never said this, but like he made a decision that he was not going to let that happen again.
	And he was just like, he was just there for everything.
	Like every, I don't know what it's like to not have a dad there for everything, which is an amazing privilege.
	Don't get me wrong.
	But like, it was just so important to him to like, let's go throw a base.
	Let's play some basketball, like whatever you want.
	I need help with homework, like whatever it is.
	And, you know, he has his dimension.
	I feel like every time I see him, I just like, I just hope he knows that he was incredible.
	And like, it's, I, that I'm nowhere close to where I am without that.
	Right.
	Like all my confidence comes from him.
	Wow.
	You know, like every bit of like self-belief, like anything is just there's this guy who's believed himself.
	Yeah, is there a part of you?
	Like, so as dementia, someone, I guess someone's like, so who someone is starts to kind of disappear a little bit?
	Yeah.
	Is that a fair way to say it or not?
	I would say like your short-term memory goes away.
	So I guess memory is broken up into long-term memory and short-term memory.
	And for someone to get into long-term, it just needs to be repeated.
	So he has his long-term memory.
	He like knows the map of New York.
	He can like go around the city, but he might forget like what he's going to do.
	Right.
	But he knows how to get home.
	Yeah.
	But if we took him to Florida, he wouldn't really know how to get around.
	Right.
	And then short term, it's like he doesn't really know, you know, he'll have a conversation with you and then he'll kind of forget and he'll bring it back up.
	He has like a few things that he'll like talk about.
	But I will say that like, you know, the concern is when this happens is that like something underneath is bitter and angry and like he just becomes this like resentful human being.
	But he's pure, man.
	Like he's just a pure, like loving, good soul.
	So he gets to find out every time I see him that he has a granddaughter.
	And like, that's pretty awesome.
	Like, you know, like, like, so there is a, like, if there's a little positive perspective that you can, all you can do is change perspective on shit.
	So like, I can tell him every single time.
	It's like, yeah, I got a daughter.
	He's like, what?
	Oh, my God.
	What's that like?
	You know, and like, so that's cool to tell him.
	Yeah, yeah.
	That's got to be super cool.
	Yeah, it is.
	Is there any fear that like, as a part of him, like, that the part of him inside that will forget that you care about him?
	Is that, is that like, does it make any sense kind of?
	The fear is that I haven't communicated to him enough how incredible a job he did.
	And I don't even know if that's important to him.
	Right.
	But it's important for you to know it.
	Yeah.
	Like it's important to me that he knows that he's the GOAT.
	And like, he might not know that.
	Like he's, and it's interesting.
	It's so interesting.
	Like, yeah, like it's, yeah, it's just so interesting.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It's like you just want them to know.
	but but then I realized now after having a kid, like before I had a kid, I thought he was doing everything just for me.
	Like, he was, he was doing things that he might not actually want to do, but he's like, I'm going to be there for my kid.
	And now that I have a kid, you get so much joy.
	Oh, you realize, oh, he was.
	Bro, it's, it's this beautiful relationship where like you can selfishly be a good dad.
	Like, taking my kid to the Museum of Natural History the other day was more fun for me than her.
	Yeah.
	Watching her look at a woolly mammoth, you know, like and just have her fucking mind blown.
	You know, she just, she's looking at this.
	She's looking back at me.
	She's like, what the fuck is this?
	Like, and it was just, and I'm like, we got to go to the museum every week.
	Like, whatever.
	There is this beautiful where like your selfishness benefits your kid.
	Maybe if you have a healthy relationship, I know there's like unhealthy shit too.
	But I think I see what you're saying.
	So then it's like, now it's like, there's no way he couldn't ever know how much I care about him because it almost doesn't even matter because he cares about me so much.
	As a dad, you care about your kids so much that as long as they're okay, that's then everything else is it.
	You would hope that.
	Like, is that kind of what you're saying a little bit?
	Yeah, you would hope.
	I mean, I mean, again, I know there's a lot of instances that's not the case.
	Yeah, but I mean, yeah, I would just.
	Yeah, I would hope.
	I would, I hope that's the case.
	Like, he battled with depression a lot.
	You know, like, my family's got a lot of mental illness in it, right?
	Oh, yeah.
	So, like, so he battled with depression a lot.
	And so it's just, you know, like, you don't know what to do when you're a kid about that.
	Like, I used to take him to the comedy seller before I ever did comedy.
	I was like, I thought that like, if you laugh, you're not depressed.
	Like, that's how I thought it worked.
	So I'd take my depressed ass dad to the comedy seller.
	Little did I know he's just listening to depressed comedians.
	He's probably getting more depressed.
	He's struggling with his life.
	He got to listen to these sad ass comedians on stage talking about how shitty their life was.
	He's like, this kid is going to kill me.
	But hey, if it makes his son happy, he's thinking.
	He's doing it for me.
	This is doing it for me.
	Damn near almost killed himself.
	Half the comedians.
	You're doing it for him and he's doing it for you.
	That's fucking hilarious.
	He's like, God, he's fucking sitting there.
	He's fucking just rubbing over, drinking a pulling spring, just looking for the vein.
	So, but yeah, it's just a fascinating thing that he's doing it.
	What a unique way to think of a crossroads of a father and son, that he's doing it for me and I'm doing it for him.
	That's kind of fascinating.
	You don't know.
	Like, you just don't know how it works when you're younger.
	Like, he don't even know the effects of depression or these types of things.
	Especially in his era, like 20 years ago, you had no idea, even 30 years ago.
	He had no idea.
	You're just like, oh, Rodney likes to fucking sit in the car by himself.
	My dad would go sit in the car by himself for a couple hours.
	I love it.
	I love it.
	And my mom and go, well, if you get out of your fucking car, like he wants to be out there sitting out there by himself.
	The men in our town used to park their trucks behind the Wind Dixie and cry back there sometimes.
	And you'd see him just fucking, you know, you'd see a guy open his car doors to let a bunch of tears fall out and explode him back.
	Like it was fucking, yo, there is bravery to that, though.
	That's the thing that like, I think we look back at that generation who was really trying to figure out how to deal with their mental health and they stiff upper lipped it.
	And I think a lot of times we go, oh, they just ignored the problems.
	It's like, no, no, no, you can't ignore depression.
	It's not something you could ignore.
	You know what I mean?
	It's there.
	And what they did is they said, you know what?
	I'm going to go to my fucking car and I'm going to cry and I'm going to get back and I'm going to be a dad.
	I'm going to be a husband and I'm going to take care of his family.
	And it's like.
	And I'm going to get my fucking son a Pistons jersey.
	And you're not even a Pistons fan.
	Like, that's depressing too.
	You want it so badly for this kid to be a Knicks fan.
	This motherfucker likes the demonstration.
	And a lame beard.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I'm glad you're getting to have all that, dude.
	That's super cool.
	Yeah, it is really cool, man.
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	Does it make you look at your wife differently?
	Does a girlfriend or a wife become different once they're a mother?
	Does something like, or what's that kind of like?
	100%.
	You also like, you realize, like, here's something I realize is I would always call my wife when I know that the baby's waking up from a nap.
	Let's say I'm at the studio or something like that.
	And I call and I'd be, you know, and she knows I'm calling to see Shiloh.
	Right.
	And I once I called my wife and then she was coming back from like a workout class or something.
	And she was like, oh, I'm not home yet.
	So I'm not with Shiloh.
	And my heart sunk because I was like, oh, fuck.
	Like, you don't even think I call for you anymore.
	So in my effort, you know, to just like connect with my daughter in every possible way I can, I am forgetting about my, connecting with my wife sometimes.
	And your wife doesn't want to be angry at you for that because she's like, thank God, I have a dad who's so committed and just in love with the kid, but you can't forget about them.
	Right.
	So it's like this constant adjustment.
	You go, okay, all right, I got to put.
	Like, hey, Shiloh, is your mom home?
	That kind of thing.
	Yeah, I got to call Shiloh.
	Yeah.
	I got to go on the Nanit.
	I got to call.
	I got two phones.
	Yeah.
	You got to put Kevin Gates in the freaking when they're nursing, dude.
	You're the most interesting man in America.
	You spin Kevin Gates more.
	Shiloh has a little phone.
	She's like, hey, mom's ready.
	Oh, you don't want to talk to me?
	She gives me attitude.
	No, you can't.
	You just want to talk to this old bitch.
	So, yeah, you got to do that, man.
	Oh, damn, dude.
	That's crazy.
	Yeah, it's wild.
	Wow, dude.
	What a neat journey.
	And I was just impressed in your special.
	Like, you're just going.
	It's like, you know, when I first watched, you were such a power.
	I saw the first time that I ever saw you at the Black Baby, or what's it called?
	The one that's next door to the comedy store?
	Fat Black Pussy Cat?
	Fat Black Pussy Cat, right?
	Village Underground, maybe?
	Maybe, maybe that one?
	Yeah, it was one that kind of has the tears in it a little bit.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Village Underground, yeah, yeah.
	But dude, I was like, I had never seen it.
	I was like, oh my God.
	And I had to go up after you, dude, and it was so fucking scary.
	And I was like, I'm sure you killed that shit.
	I did okay.
	But dude, then this is so, and that was great.
	I mean, but that was just like, I mean, that was probably 10 years ago, too.
	But then, yeah, this was just so like taking me through this story and the journey.
	And it was, I don't know, it was cool to see.
	It felt like grown up a little bit.
	Yeah, it's just different.
	Like, I'd never been personal in my, in my comedy.
	I didn't even think my life was interesting.
	So I was like, yeah, I was like, I thought my opinions on shit were more interesting than my life.
	So I was like, I'm not going, I don't need to tell you about what's going on in my life.
	And then this thing happened where, you know, we couldn't get pregnant and it was because of me, my sperm sucked.
	No way.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So my sperm.
	What happens?
	You take him out.
	I'm the face of shitty sperm, bro.
	Oh.
	You felt bad for a second.
	You're like, hold on.
	Yeah.
	Well, it's just crazy because you have that like spice trader energy.
	You want to know some crazy shit?
	My boy is a spice trader.
	This guy I play paddle with, all right?
	This my boy, we call him Spice Man.
	We legit thought he was a drug dealer for so long because he says like I'm a spice trader.
	Like he makes little jokes about it that he's not joking.
	He'll show up late to a game and he'll be like, man, Sesame was down crazy today.
	I couldn't find a place to store it.
	Damn, boy.
	And then he'll say.
	He's coriander options.
	Yes, yes, yes.
	It's literally like a stock market.
	Like he's back and forth from India.
	So we're like, there's no way this is his real life.
	Like he sells fentanyl or cocaine or some shit, right?
	And he's just saying it's turmeric, right?
	But turns out this motherfucker is a legit 2025 spice trader.
	This is like the oldest job ever.
	We right here.
	Yeah, dude, that's it, bro.
	We ain't going anywhere.
	From the past, baby.
	How crazy is that?
	Shout out to Pete, man.
	Spicy P. We call it Spicy P. Yeah, dude.
	Spicy P. That's great.
	That'd be a dope ass job.
	Just hitting the streets what you want.
	He'll just hit me with random spice facts.
	Time cumin.
	Yeah, he was like, bro, you can't store the cumin with the turmeric, right?
	Because one goes old.
	And I'm like, oh, yeah, of course, bro.
	That's a huge storage shit is crazy out there, you know?
	Yeah, 10 our fathers right now.
	That's crazy.
	10 our fathers.
	You can't be doing that.
	What is that?
	It's like you confessed it in a confessional.
	Did you get a punishment?
	Like, make you do the punishments or whatever.
	Oh, dude, you did the wrestling thing.
	Was that interesting?
	Oh, that was so cool, man.
	It's cool.
	You did a good job.
	Thanks, bro.
	It looked, was it scared?
	I thought you were going to get slammed.
	Yeah, like, yeah.
	Was that an option?
	He was about to.
	I didn't even know it was going to happen.
	You didn't?
	No, I didn't know anything was going to happen.
	I'm just there hanging out.
	then Logan starts to, you know, get me to try to lie in front of all my people in Madison Square Garden.
	I want to see AJ Styles.
	That's what I want to see.
	Let's go.
	This shit is tough.
	I mean, it doesn't look like I'm prepared for this.
	And what's his finishing move, the tax evasion?
	That's the next move.
	We got to move to Puerto Rico.
	The Puerto Rican W-9, that's his fucking finishing move.
	Oh my God, dude, does he sling me?
	Maybe I didn't see this.
	No.
	Styles coming in.
	Thank God, AJ Styles comes in to save my ass.
	You need to come in a couple seconds.
	I'd be toast in front of my wife.
	Did part of you want a little more smoke after that?
	Like, was there a little bit inside of you that's like...
	Yeah.
	I need justice.
	You can't come do that shit to me in Madison Square Garden, my home, talk crazy to me.
	You know, I need some paper, bro.
	I need my get back.
	You know who Aaron the Plumber is?
	Aaron the Plumber.
	I think we had him on the podcast, actually.
	Did you have Aaron on the pod?
	I think so.
	Like 20 years ago.
	Or like, yeah, like three years ago, I think.
	No, no, no, no.
	This is a different Aaron the Plumber.
	We had Joe the Plumber.
	Yeah, Joe the Plumber.
	You need Aaron on Aaron the Plumber, bro.
	This guy's an absolute baby in one of the pipes.
	Joe found an offspring.
	Wow.
	In one of the pipes.
	What is that?
	It's a horrible time to say that.
	No, that's a Patrice joke.
	It is.
	He said, I jerk off so much in the shower, I'm surprised the drain ain't pregnant.
	Joe is like, it was.
	I think I'm working at your place.
	No, who's Aaron the Plumber?
	Oh, dude, this guy is.
	Cool guy.
	Oh, my God.
	He was on this Zeus Network show.
	Do you know what the Zeus Network is?
	Uh-uh.
	Is it like that stars or whatever, like Ghostbook fan or whatever?
	This is more ratchet, bro.
	But Aaron the Plumber, you're not qualified.
	This guy is a certified, hilarious dude.
	He's an actual certified plumber, but he's hilarious on this dating show.
	And he was just, you know, he would get in a fight with anybody who popped shit.
	He's like, all right, let's go.
	We fight right now.
	But he's also hysterical.
	And so, yeah, he's just an internet sensation.
	I love this guy.
	Dang, yeah, I haven't seen him.
	I got to check him out.
	Who did I see recently?
	Guno Lavish.
	Have you seen him?
	No, who's that?
	Young kid.
	He like, he makes me laugh.
	He's out of Mississippi, man.
	Guno Lavish.
	You can see the text went out of him.
	Just go to shorts right there.
	Just start it over.
	It will be okay if you just stay strong.
	Stay strong, boy, nigga.
	It will be okay if you just stay strong.
	Okay, give me one more, man.
	Give me a, oh, stop being humble, FN over there.
	Try that one.
	You out here being humble when everybody popping that shit.
	It's time you start popping your shit.
	Stop being humble for it, nigga.
	You out here being humble when everybody popping that shit.
	It's time you start popping your shit.
	He just made me laugh, man.
	He's out of Mississippi, man.
	I just like his thing.
	He's just somebody I started watching.
	You know, there's like people you see and they come up.
	And then once you watch them a couple times and you keep having to watch him, you know?
	I'm obsessed with it.
	It's crazy.
	I'm obsessed with Temptation Island, Spain.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	I could see that.
	Yeah, it's crazy.
	This is the craziest reality show I've ever seen in my entire life.
	This guy, Montoya, have you not heard of the Montoya guy?
	Oh my God, it's crazy.
	So basically, Temptation Island, the idea is you and your girlfriend go to this island and you split up and then they send people to try to fuck you and try to fuck your girlfriend to see if you'll cheat.
	And where are the people from the mainland or whatever?
	I think they're all from Spain, pretty much.
	So some of them may be from other Spanish-speaking countries, but everybody speaks Spanish.
	So this one couple, she, that girl right there, Anita, Anita gets just banged out, I think, five days in by this other dude, and he's got to watch.
	So this, this.
	Why do you have to watch?
	That's part of the show, bro.
	So they're just cucking my man Montoya.
	But Montoya is so charming that you actually don't look at him like a cuck.
	You're like, oh, this is, he's like a flamenco singer.
	He's the man.
	So he gets really emotional about watching the guy just beat cheeks on his girl.
	Oh.
	Yeah.
	And this seems like modern day Shakespeare almost, you know?
	Yeah, exactly.
	You know what I'm talking about, kind of?
	There's very much a thing where like, yeah, yeah, it's a fellow, really.
	Yeah, when the like the figure would be like, it would open up a portal in your head where you thought this, your wife was cheating and you would seek your own life or something.
	Wow.
	So there it is.
	So like he's got to watch this security camp footage and you could like hear like pelvis hit cheeks.
	No.
	Like this.
	Oh.
	Yeah.
	It's brutal, but it's also fantastic TV.
	God, I've never seen that.
	It's amazing.
	Like, and I haven't watched the whole episode.
	I just watched like whatever highlights get clipped and put on like TikTok or Instagram.
	I think that's how I consume everything.
	But I, yeah, everything I possibly can, I consume.
	Yeah.
	Well, it's funny because you start to want to have like an information diet so there's things you can talk about with different guests or whatever.
	That's what I heard Mr. Beast say.
	Like he hires people to have an information diet.
	For him.
	So they all absorb stuff, then they filter it down.
	And then he gets like this stuff from them that's like fine-tuned to exactly what he would want to know the most.
	Oh, wow.
	And that's crazy.
	So he has like a human version of ChatGPT.
	Yeah.
	So he has intelligence, intelligence.
	Yep, like real intelligence.
	He has like an algorithm that's, yeah, he's like a human kind of algorithm, you know?
	Yeah.
	Sort of, I guess.
	So he's outsourcing his like interests.
	How do you run it back against those Paul guys, I wonder?
	How do I run it back against Logan or Jake as well?
	Get Jake involved as well?
	Dude, I would fucking if I saw those people in my dreams, I would beat the shit out of them.
	That's a good caveat right there.
	That's a very good caveat.
	Now, Logan needs to get it back.
	Logan needs to get Logan needs to get some get back.
	That's the reality.
	You can't come into my place and do that, obviously.
	But, you know, Jake, I don't even know if Jake's going to be involved in wrestling.
	He's doing his boxing thing.
	Yeah.
	But let's see what happens.
	I don't know.
	You never know.
	You never know with these things.
	Yeah.
	What about you?
	You're going to get involved in some wrestling?
	I don't know, dude.
	I thought about trying to wrestle one of those guys.
	I would have to really stretch and focus on fitness.
	Yep.
	Yeah.
	100%.
	I would have to really stretch and focus on it.
	Or you could just get dragged through the ring like I did and then not work at fitness at all.
	You know, it's the craziest part of that scene.
	You didn't even see the end of it.
	I got dragged over the banister, ragdolled on the grounds, rolled into the ring, bent over and put into a suplex.
	This other dude, AJ, saves me.
	After Logan leaves, I jumped on the top rope.
	Like I did something.
	I'm the first person in history to just get my ass kicked and still go on the top rope and celebrate.
	But it really goes back to exactly what we were saying earlier.
	If all people see is that clip of you on the top rope, they're like, this guy won.
	So I'm like, I might never do this again.
	I'm like going to knock you up at the top rope?
	Come on, I got to tell my daughter something.
	That's classic, man.
	Yeah.
	Have you thought about over the years of moving out of New York?
	I know we were talking about the taxes and stuff in there.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	It's pricey.
	Have you ever thought about going down to Austin?
	Did you ever think about that?
	Not living there.
	No, no.
	I mean, like, look, it's fucking incredible what Joe's done down there.
	Like, it's incredible.
	It's kind of crazy that it almost feels sometimes like another cent.
	It definitely feels like another new center of comedy, which they didn't have five years ago.
	I can't believe I'm going to say what I'm saying right now.
	Because obviously, you know, New York guys, we're incredibly biased about stand-up.
	We're like the best stand-ups are in New York and this is where you come.
	You got to make your bones.
	This is what you got to do.
	And then the idea was, okay, but if you want to become like famous, you can go to LA because that's where the industry is.
	Somebody's going to pop into the comedy store.
	They're going to see you.
	You'll be famous.
	That's at least like the hope or the dreams or whatever.
	Right.
	But as of right now, if you're a young comic, right?
	What is your pathway to success in LA?
	If you're a young comic, what's your pathway to success in LA?
	Perception doesn't mean that it can't happen, but like in LA or New York, like what shows can you get on that eventually you become famous?
	Because I know if I'm a young comic, if I can manage to get on Kill Tony and become a regular, I'm selling out theaters around the country.
	These guys are selling real tickets.
	If I get into Joe's world and I'm able to go on the podcast a bunch and maybe even go on the road, like I'm getting a career.
	To me, it's like we need to start building some infrastructure in New York so these guys feel like there's a pathway to selling tickets.
	And that's not just New York.
	That's LA too.
	Those days of just like getting a role in a movie and then you sell tickets are done.
	You doing a TV show one-off and then you sell that.
	You don't just sell tickets.
	You need to be like ingratiating yourself to the people through stand-up comedy if you want to sell stand-up comedy tickets.
	So I don't blame, I don't begrudge any comic who's like, I want to go to move to Austin because I feel like that's where the thing is happening, especially if you just moved to New York or LA to make it.
	I'm from New York, like born and raised in New York.
	So like moving to another city is like leaving my whole family, my friend group.
	Right, you're not in the world.
	Oh, there you go.
	That's what I was thinking, I guess, man.
	Oh, my God.
	I do kind of look like that motherfucker.
	Diego Peña, what's his name?
	Man.
	Diego Garcia.
	He looks ugly next to Christian Bale, bro.
	And he's not even that ugly, bro.
	I'm saying he looks like me.
	So I can't be insulting him that much, but Christian Bale is one fucking handsome guy.
	Well, then imagine, say, if there's another evening.
	Wait a minute, did he AI my face onto that?
	I did.
	This is face wipe.
	God damn, bro.
	So that looked ugly next to Christian Bale.
	That motherfucker is handsome.
	Look at Bruce Wayne right there, dude.
	God.
	Nah, he's a stud.
	Oh, he's a stud.
	Yeah.
	And I'm worse looking than you.
	So the tough part is it only goes another step downhill.
	Yo, how fucked up is that me insulting him before I knew it was me?
	Like, isn't that, that's insanity right there.
	I mean, it's that.
	Push my self-esteem at me.
	Don't come here for it.
	I built this railroad on low self-esteem, dude.
	Have you ever heard of the low self-esteem engine?
	No, I haven't seen it.
	That's the only thing that's run on these tracks for years, dude.
	I mean, we're picking up, we're picking up steam, but it's been slow.
	Oh, God.
	What are we talking about?
	Oh, there's the scene.
	So it's just like, I imagine every.
	Yeah, the scene.
	I mean, think about it.
	Like, obviously, we're in different positions, right?
	Like, we're in a different part of our career where we have, we can.
	Right, we're not coming out.
	It's not the beginning of our career.
	Exactly.
	So, but if you were young and you're like, my pathway to success, like what, if you go to LA, what shows do you get on to eventually make it?
	Like, what is your right?
	Well, there's a couple things.
	One, you can get a lot of, there's a lot of influencers and stuff out here.
	So there's a lot of like social media influencers.
	That stuff is real out here.
	There's movie stars that live out here and there's television shows, but I don't know if a lot of stuff still shoots in LA, which is kind of crazy.
	Like even whenever we shot this little movie with Spade, we're like, they're like, thank you.
	People were like, thank you guys so much.
	We haven't had work in months.
	And I'm like, what do you mean?
	Because I don't know who shoots what, you know?
	They're like, yeah, I'm like, in Hollywood?
	You haven't had work in months?
	And yeah, I guess there's just nothing shooting here, which seems crazy.
	You would build an industry where then nothing even shoots within it, you know?
	Like at a certain point, you can't cut every corner.
	Like, okay, we're going to shoot out of state to get a tax break.
	But the tax incentives are really big.
	You can shoot up in Canada.
	You can shoot up over in Atlanta.
	Like the tax incentives are huge to go shoot in these places.
	The wall in California matched them, it seems like.
	I think like it's just like we were saying, like politics is always downriver from culture.
	So they're going to have to learn the hard way.
	They're going to have to see the industry actually start to be negatively impacted for a while.
	And then they're going to have to vote out whoever is in power with that kind of influence.
	But LA thrives on Hollywood.
	Like there isn't LA without Hollywood.
	Like that, that's the industry.
	That's true.
	I guess then it's kind of like Barcelona or something in a way, you know, some cool museums and it's beautiful.
	We don't even know you guys have museums out here.
	I'm going to be honest with you.
	Like somebody told me that.
	They're like, oh yeah, we were spending some time in museums.
	I was like, you got museums out here?
	Like, I thought you had that observatory ship that's up on the hill and that's it.
	Yeah.
	We don't know that you have like the theater.
	Like do you have plays that come out in LA?
	I have no idea.
	Like can you watch Hamilton in LA ever?
	I don't know.
	It's a good question.
	Well, we don't really have that theater, that district, like the theater district that New York has.
	I mean, Danny McBride was saying this the other day.
	He goes, you know, I've always been kind of amazed that LA doesn't historicize itself better as a structure.
	He's like, when you go down the street here, you should be, every other building should be, this is where.
	This was films.
	This is where Sidney Poitier lived the first three years that he lived here in this apartment.
	Like, you know, like, and this, these buildings, we've kept them because they're, and some of it is still the same because, you know, you don't have as much wear and tear from the elements here outside of like the fires recently, but you don't have just like the constant salt in the air like you do in a lot of places.
	But, but overall, he's like, Yeah, I'm just kind of amazed that you don't go down the street and every other building is historical for some reason.
	Bro, I think that's a fantastic point because that is the coolest thing about LA Hollywood is like old Hollywood culture.
	Right.
	Like there's that hotel, the Sunset Tower or whatever, and like it has this cool restaurant that feels like old Hollywood.
	Oh, yeah, it's cool in there.
	It's some fancy bougie shit, but it still feels like, oh, I can imagine directors in like the 60s.
	Yeah, what do you say?
	You know, what is that?
	What is that fucking girl with the air blowing her dress up?
	Oh, Shirley Temple or whatever?
	No, my bro.
	Marilyn Monroe.
	Marilyn Monroe.
	Sorry.
	Well, okay.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I'd like to have that stricken record drop.
	That's fucking unbelievable.
	Well, dude, I'll tell you something, buddy.
	Here's the number one place, and I'm sorry.
	Who's the girl where her dress was blown up?
	I don't know why.
	It's L.A. I didn't think that he's right.
	Weinstein's innocent.
	Weinstein is innocent.
	I didn't think if they're blowing anybody's dress up, it's going to be a child, obviously.
	Dude, when people come to visit me, the one place that I take them every time, literally as a tour stop, is a cemetery that's near my apartment in Westwood that has Marilyn Monroe's grave in it, Hugh Hefner, Errol Flynn.
	Oh, wow.
	Carol O'Connor.
	Oh, geez.
	The guy from Bad Grampa or whatever.
	Walter Mathows.
	Walter Mather Mathows in there.
	It's just like, and you just show them like this, you know, that's kind of the neatest thing, I think.
	I think it's a great point because there is cool historical shit about LA, but you got to embrace it and then protect it.
	And I think that maybe it's just such a new city, they don't see the value in it.
	Like you and I are from very kind of like old places in terms of American history, not world history, but like there's a lot of history in, I'm going to give you New Orleans.
	I know you're not from New Orleans, but like just this idea of and it's important to us to maintain that.
	We actually like the way that the buildings look.
	When a new fancy building goes up in New York, there's always this immediate rejection.
	We're like, ah, these fucking glasses, there goes the neighborhood or whatever it is.
	So we try to protect.
	And I feel like LA is so transient.
	Like everybody that comes here is coming from Maine or coming from Montana or some shit like that to go make it.
	So they don't really care that much about the history.
	They're like, what's going on now?
	But the people from here, like Dove, like the people who actually grew up here and like that is the industry.
	Yeah, I would like to see that protected.
	That's a great point.
	And then there's another version of you coming out here that's not like a TMZ tour bus tour or whatever that stupid shit is.
	Like this is the Rock's house.
	It's like, nah, go see where fucking Sidney Pottier lived or go see where these historic actors, like What's His Face's first apartment, Jack Nicholson's first apartment.
	It'd be so cool if they had that and started under, they had it like really locked in.
	Dude, the guy, the founder of Keynes, this guy, Todd Graves, he still has his college apartment that was right next door to the first Keynes that's in Baton Rouge.
	And you go in there, dude, and it is crazy.
	It's like it's from 30 years ago, you know, or 22 years ago or something.
	It's just like old TV.
	He's maintained everything for him.
	Maintained it all the sitting there.
	Pictures from back then and shit.
	His life got busy.
	And so he just wasn't there for like eight years.
	And then he came back and it's just like magazines with like Jordan and Shaq.
	He's a beast, that guy.
	Yeah, he stays so busy.
	He works really hard.
	I think he owns all of the canes still, right?
	This is not a franchise restaurant.
	I think he owns, it's kind of, it's unbelievably impressive.
	And maybe because I'm from New York, we just got one.
	There's one that just popped up in these village.
	But like I, I was talking to a buddy of mine who's actually like one of his lawyers.
	And he was kind of explaining it to him.
	It's like, this guy's like a real ambitious, like kind of genius to put that together.
	It's very hard to not sell off your company as it becomes successful.
	To have that vision.
	Like, I don't know if you're like this, but if I'm building something that's successful and then somebody offers me $300 million for it, I'm like, there's some people are crazy enough to go, no, this shit is really worth $2 billion.
	I'm like, what is $2 billion even?
	Like, what is that money even?
	You know what I mean?
	There are people that say no to $1 billion because they know it could be worth five.
	That's, isn't that crazy?
	That's easy.
	What do you need that for?
	Yeah.
	Like, you can tap out of whatever you're doing.
	Maybe they really love what they're doing.
	Maybe that's it.
	But then you just sell it and get locked in as a consultant or whatever.
	Yeah, yeah, I guess you could, but maybe they would hate that.
	Maybe like they're like, it's my genius that drives this, this, this, this, this car.
	It's like that rigor mortis, whatever, the Frank, whoever made Frankenstein, whatever, the doctor or whatever, he wanted to die with Frankenstein.
	He's like, you know, I think that's what happened.
	What happened with Frankenstein?
	I fucking don't even know what happened.
	It was Dr. Frankenstein and then it was the creature.
	Yeah, that's, isn't that crazy that we think that Frankenstein is the lifeless animal, you know, but it was actually the doctor.
	Imagine how he feels.
	He's like, what do you, hey, my name's Rick, you know?
	It's like, nobody fucking.
	I'm fucking Rick Hopkins.
	You know, I had a fucking bad frontal lobe surgery.
	Give me some, god damn.
	It's so true.
	It still goes back to, you see a clip of something.
	Did you just believe that?
	Did you just believe it?
	Yeah.
	That motherfucker's name is not even Frankenstein.
	It's called Creature, which is way more adept, right?
	Like that feels like the name for it, but not.
	But at least that's his name.
	God, dude.
	Yeah, shout out Frankenstein.
	Yeah, dude.
	Oh, how's the Trump thing going over in New York, dude?
	You know what's so interesting is like, it was crazy how right after the right after the election was over, everybody just kind of went on about regular life, kind of.
	Bro, it's and like now I'm almost like annoyed by it.
	I'm like, I thought we weren't going to have to go through this again.
	Like, I don't know where, how it is like here where you're living, but we're back to like the bipartisan bickering, you know, like This doge is a big deal, right?
	Even though there's no American that wants like waste, there's no American that wants like government bloats, there's no American that wants like inefficiency.
	I don't think any of us are like voting for those three things.
	So, this should be like unilateral support.
	Like, we should all get behind it.
	And maybe the way that they're doing, I think Trump even came out and be like, yo, we're going to use a scalpel, not a hatchet.
	Like, I think we're being a little bit too forceful with the firings or whatever.
	But this is one of those things where it's so annoying.
	And I think you can blame Elon for this as well.
	Like on Twitter, he's a little bit antagonistic about shit.
	I noticed that recently.
	Some of the stuff he says, like, do you have to say that?
	Like, you know, you're in power now.
	Like, I think you have to have a little bit different energy when you're in power.
	I think when you're not in power, you're trying to get to power.
	Maybe that antagonism is helpful, right?
	It can embolden the base.
	But you're the leader now.
	Leaders don't need to poke a finger and like twist a knife or whatever.
	Well, I think what he's doing, I believe that what Elon is doing is by creating all that commotion on Twitter, it's only helping his own business, right?
	So it creates now that everybody's, everyone wants to see what he's going to say, but he's saying so many things, it's hard to even juggle.
	But so many people are engaging and interacting.
	I feel like it's probably the number one news app.
	I don't know if it's always been the number one news app.
	It has to be.
	It has to be.
	That's why, yeah, I mean, don't you learn something?
	He's stirring his own business.
	It's like, so the more he does that, it just, then he, it's more impressions, the more ads that he can sell, right?
	I don't know if that's true.
	But you're basically creating a place for people to go consume content in general.
	And if he's the biggest creator on that platform, then it makes sense that he continues to create.
	So you're saying that he's not doing this just to get out information, but he's also doing this to like uplift the app.
	It's like a hype machine, yeah.
	Oh, wow.
	That's true.
	I don't know if that's true.
	But that's what the feeling you get from it.
	I mean, at least, because otherwise it's kind of in some of the shit's kind of insane.
	It's like, what is this?
	Like, how is he doing all of these things?
	And if he's not doing all these things, because who could have time to do it?
	To do all of these things, then who is doing it?
	And it's kind of annoying because he's a genius.
	You want him on your side.
	Like, I want the guy who makes the rockets on America's side if we go to World War III.
	Right.
	Like, I think that's a pretty good idea that we get the guy who's going to send a ship to Mars on our side if we're going to have like drone warfare throughout the world.
	Like, let's keep him in our good graces.
	I do think, and I'm a little bit more optimistic about this administration.
	That's what I've realized with most people, like sane people, is that if you don't, if you didn't vote for Trump, but you're not like a complete lunatic extremist on both sides, by the way.
	If you're just kind of like a normal, regular guy, but you feel like you lean left a little bit more, you go, you just are pessimistic about the administration.
	And if you lean maybe right a little bit more, but you're not some insane like right-wing quack, you're optimistic about the administration.
	We both kind of want the same thing.
	We want the best thing for American people.
	We might disagree about where we get there, but we do want the most opportunity, wealth, ease of living for American people.
	So when it comes to administration, I'm like a little bit more optimistic about it.
	I'm like, okay, let's just see how this works.
	Right.
	That's how I feel.
	Let's just give him a, give him a, people are going, oh, he's doing all these tariffs.
	It's like, my man, I don't, I'm not an economist.
	I know you aren't an economist.
	Yeah.
	I don't know if this is a negotiation.
	Like if you go to buy a car and the car is like 100 grand and you go in, you go, all right, I'm going to offer 80 grand.
	Right.
	Knowing that they're going to settle around 90, right?
	The problem is when you do that, you do that in privacy with the car dealer.
	Trump got to do it publicly.
	And now he's got people in his own country going, how dare you offer 80?
	That's so disrespectful.
	And he can't come out and go, dumbass, we're going to settle at 90. I just got to start at 80. So could you give me fucking two weeks to get it?
	Yeah, they don't give him any, nobody gives him a beat to see what the long-term plan is.
	Like, if you want manufacturing jobs back in America, then you have to make it so that it makes more sense for people to make cars in America.
	Maybe.
	That's just business.
	Like, I agree with you.
	I never was against Biden.
	I've never been against anybody that's been in office.
	I've always just wanted the best.
	It's like, I want the best.
	I'm never going to depend on the government for my life.
	Like, I don't wake up every day and see what the fucking government's doing.
	I get out of bed and I try and take care of myself or, you know, take care of your family like you're doing.
	It's like, that's probably what most people think.
	Anybody that has time to argue online all day is also insane, right?
	Like, not saying that we don't all put our beliefs out there sometimes, but I hear what you're saying.
	But it's like, but you have to, like, that's one thing.
	Somebody said the other night.
	Oh, Trump said it during that, that whole like state of the, whatever, the delegacy address.
	It was this, it was like the state of the two parties or addressing.
	If you got to watch the hour and a half of that, I don't care what side of the, this shit was hilarious.
	It was like somebody who wrote like noises off or something.
	It was just a fascinating joint congressional committees address or whatever.
	Yeah, there was like fucking, they kept cutting this white dude that was asleep.
	They threw Al Green out.
	People thought he was Jimmy Snooka.
	They fucking threw him out, dude.
	They kept people like Democrats that only had their feelings on little signs that said like not good or gazoom tight or whatever.
	They bumped into Al Green at the breakfast club.
	He was going on after me and someone's like, hey, he wants to, Al Green wants to say hello.
	And I was like, yeah, sure, that'd be cool.
	And this guy just got chucked out of the fucking Senate.
	That'd be, you know, whatever.
	And I went, I go, I say, and like his like handle or something like that is like waiting there with like a camera like tucked here for the handshake picture.
	And I was like, did I just get set up in a photo op to make me look sympathetic to what happened?
	I'm like, what exactly is going on?
	That's, you know, crazy.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Well, that's also scary when everybody has cameras everywhere now.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	A lot of people thought that was Jimmy Sunka, which makes total sense as well.
	Yeah.
	I think it still think it was.
	What a body, huh?
	Let's get it on.
	Was that was Al Green?
	Let's get it on.
	Yeah, I think so.
	But yeah, so it's a tricky, yeah, it's a tricky, it's a tricky time now politically.
	But I just don't like, yeah, you kind of hope, like, hopefully there's some long-term strategy here.
	It's like, because if you just look at the little bits, it's kind of fucking scary.
	Also, if the, if, and I'm not trying to just like bag on the last administration, but like if people are uncomfortable and the last administration was running on this platform of, hey, we're going to keep doing the same thing that we've been doing.
	That was a bad plan, you can't really blame Americans for going, well, that's not working for me right now.
	I got to try something different.
	Yeah.
	And then giving the new thing a little bit of leeway.
	It's not like, again, I might be more optimistic.
	And if it goes bad, I will be the first person to criticize it.
	Right.
	I have no problem criticizing whoever's in power.
	Okay.
	This is the easiest thing in the fucking world for me.
	But I am hoping I'm at least going to give a little bit of grace and hoping that this is going to work out for all of us.
	And I'm going to give it more than a fucking few months.
	I'm going to give it a little bit to see where it goes.
	And if it does go, I'm not going to be the guy to go, told you so, you fucking idiot.
	Like, cause that's not the joy that it brings me.
	The joy that brings me is like, hey, shit, we're actually making some cool changes.
	Right.
	America's going to be doing better.
	We got opportunity to, you know, start here and get up here.
	Imagine if you brought some ministries back where people have pride in their homes and in their towns, dude.
	I'll tell you this.
	We've gone on this tour I've been on.
	We've gone to probably 200, the top 200 cities so far, size-wise, right?
	We've gone fucking everywhere.
	And a lot of the places, man, it's the same.
	It's like there's no, there's not a lot of businesses there.
	There's some cities that have kind of changed and had some turnaround and it's been uplifting, but there's been a lot of places that it hasn't, you know?
	And it's sad.
	It's like, oh, all this place needs is one good like influx of people and a purpose.
	You know, when people have jobs, they have purpose.
	Yeah.
	And so it's like, I'm just going to, I'm for surely going to stay hopeful.
	I hope that if there's some tariff stuff and then we start making our own fucking cars here.
	Dude, there's a guy who just made a show, a t-shirt.
	I think it's called American Giant.
	Can you look that up?
	There's a guy.
	He wanted to find a t-shirt that was made in America, American Giant clothing.
	He couldn't even get a t-shirt.
	That was completely made here.
	He couldn't get a, whatever this is called, a template or a blank in America.
	He couldn't, they didn't have it, right?
	They didn't, we don't make a fucking t-shirt in this company, right?
	Country, yeah.
	So don't they make Teslas here?
	Yes.
	So Teslas are an American-made car.
	So like bare minimum.
	And like, I'm not trying to knock any of the American, you know, other American cars, right?
	Like, but I don't think Ford is entirely made here.
	Right.
	I might be wrong.
	I don't think they are.
	You drive Ford, somebody said to me.
	I'm like, that's when I knew like, hold on.
	How's this guy know how to pronounce it?
	Swedish guy?
	That's a great question.
	Let's look that up.
	Yeah.
	What cars are made here?
	What percentage of Teslas are made in America?
	What percentage of Fords are made in America?
	That's a great question, man.
	And I guess that, you know, you could be putting together the full car here, but maybe there's like certain factors that are doing other stuff.
	And I'm okay with that.
	Like, I'm okay with outsourcing to different countries.
	I think it gives them opportunities as well.
	That's a cool thing.
	But Tesla claims that nearly 100% of the vehicles it sells in the United States are manufactured domestically.
	Exceeding the industry average of 52%.
	Wow.
	Now, that doesn't mean they don't make cars in other countries as well.
	Right.
	But the ones that are sold here made here.
	Regardless, okay.
	If we want to attack a car company, right?
	And again, I don't know if they're attacking Tesla because they don't like the product.
	They're attacking Tesla because they don't like the CEO of the company.
	And that is the risk of being a celebrity CEO.
	By the way, there's like CEOs of, and you talk about this all the time, but like some of these like pharmaceutical companies, we don't know who the fuck they are.
	And there's a reason because if we did.
	People would execute them.
	But something could happen.
	Something could happen.
	We don't know.
	Something could happen.
	Somebody could throw him a surprise party.
	Bro, if you have a billion-dollar business and nobody knows who you are, you're doing some fucked up shit.
	I'm doing some fucked shit, man.
	Right?
	You're doing some fuck shit, homie.
	Yeah.
	For real.
	So this is like a kind of shitty situation where like, yes, I understand that he's antagonizing people.
	He's like rubbing people the wrong way.
	You don't like the guy.
	You don't like the beliefs.
	You don't like what he's doing.
	And there are things to criticize.
	I'm not saying there aren't things to criticize.
	Like everybody is, nobody's above criticism.
	But to punish that car company that is 100% made in America, made by people living in America, Americans rely on those jobs.
	Like maybe we criticize another thing.
	Right.
	Like, what is your goal that we shut down those factories and those Americans lose those jobs?
	That makes you feel better about your gripe with D Lon.
	That's the thing.
	Some people, they just want to win an argument, it feels like.
	There's people that rely on those fucking jobs.
	Oh, for sure.
	They got kids, bro.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, dude, there's no doubt about it.
	But here's one thing that I think is sad about Doge is that the fact that we now have to have someone audit our own government.
	Our government is supposed to be the thing that we can trust.
	Like it will never end now.
	And people are like, well, why is this guy having a team that audits it?
	Like, I agree, but I'll let anybody audit.
	If you bring out another company, they audit and they find I give them 10% of the bloat that they find.
	If they, you know what I'm saying?
	The simple fact that we now have to audit our own government.
	Yeah, I mean, I just, you know, I don't, people, I think, will gravitate towards corruption naturally.
	And I think it's something that you constantly have to fight every single second.
	Yeah, you definitely have to.
	You said something interesting, though, like this idea, like you wake up every morning, you're like, I don't expect the government to do something for me.
	I think that's a more like southern and frontier belief.
	You know, I think that like when you grow up in like New York, there is this relationship with the government where you're like, if the roads are fucked up, you start going, yo, why are the roads fucked up?
	Like we're spending all this money in taxes or like the government, you're supposed to do it.
	You're giving me all these rules I got to live by.
	So you might as well do some shit.
	But that's interesting that you have this perspective, which is like, I don't expect anything from you guys.
	And I wonder if when they encroach on your freedoms, it's that much more annoying because you're like, I don't rely on you for anything and you're going to tell me what to do.
	Whereas we might be more accepting of the laws and the encroachment on freedoms because we are more reliant on them for certain things.
	So, and I wonder if that's why like some of the COVID stuff was way easier to accept in big cities because we already have this symbiotic relationship with government.
	Whereas in places like Florida or even, you know, more other like southern, maybe I guess some red states, not all.
	Yeah, a lot of rural areas.
	In more rural areas, it's like, yo, listen, don't mess with me because I don't ask you for shit.
	Right.
	And now you're getting into my house and telling me what to do when I already don't ask you for anything.
	Right.
	We have one road.
	We keep it clean.
	I drive a truck, so you don't have to pave it.
	Yeah.
	That's it.
	Right.
	We're doing, yeah.
	Yeah.
	That's a good thing.
	It is interesting how like different areas could affect your perception.
	And yeah, like I think a lot of like, one other thing is I think a lot of people just worry about our tradition starting to disappear.
	And I think that's where a lot of pushback comes from.
	What do you mean by that?
	Just like, you know, like tearing down of statues and saying that everything is racist and stuff and not honoring our history, whether it is racist or not, like not denying, like, you know, if you take it away completely in three generations, no, you know, this is the tricky thing where it's like, I, okay, I, I try to meet people at their intentions because I often want people to judge me on my intentions.
	When I say some like crazy fucked up joke that's not even fully fleshed out on a podcast and I want people to go, oh, he just wanted it to be funny, not, oh, this guy is an evil asshole.
	So when I see people doing the, taking like the progressive measures that might feel like they're going too far, I at least have some empty.
	I go, all right, I know what you're trying to do.
	You're trying to make this world that we live in, this country we live in, a more comfortable place for everybody.
	And you're thinking about these oppressed or ostracized groups and you're like, how can they not see certain imagery that might remind them of these horrible things that their ancestors went through?
	So like, I go, okay, I get that maybe you have some really good intentions here.
	And then we can meet at that where we go, I get your good intentions.
	And then we start to have, then let's have the conversation of, okay, how much of that are we going to remove before we start removing like the history of our country?
	And some of the history is ugly and that's, it's unfortunate, but it is the history.
	Like removing it doesn't remove the history.
	Right.
	But at least, at least not looking at them like they're assholes that want to destroy America.
	Maybe some of them are, but I think some of them also just kind of want to make life better for people.
	Yeah.
	I don't think everybody's bad.
	I think there are bad actors on both sides.
	But I think there's some people who like, maybe they were bullied a lot as a kid and they're like, man, I don't want anybody to go through that shit.
	Like, yeah, I don't, I want to look out for some people and create some more protections.
	And sometimes those protections might go like a little bit too far.
	And then sometimes instead of creating protections, people will like hurt people, hurt people.
	They'll do the opposite.
	They'll be like, oh, white people are horrible.
	It's like, okay, okay.
	You're going too far.
	Yeah.
	You might have experienced some really fucked up people in your childhood and maybe you have that way of looking at it, but it's not going to help if that's your way of communicating with people.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I think the truth is usually kind of in the middle.
	I think you're right, you know?
	And the fact that, yeah, it's like, it's, it's so funny.
	It's like you get so stuck in your own perspective of what your own perspective is.
	And you need to be in your own perspective because it's a survival thing too.
	It's like, of course, if I'm sitting here daydreaming or something and I get attacked by an animal or something, then that's on me, right?
	But it's like, but to actually put yourself in somebody else's shoes and be like, well, what is it?
	What is it really like?
	Yeah.
	You know, or what is like going through like certain classes or history class or things like that?
	Like if you're a different ethnicity or different sex or something, what's that shit really like?
	You know, they're supposed to have VR goggles that were supposed to be able to do that.
	We could just see what it was like being Native American back in the day.
	Hey, huh?
	Yeah, they're all Italians.
	The goggles kind of like they set it up to make it sound like who really killed the Native Americans Italian.
	Christopher Columbus, look at these guys.
	Hey, fucking red horse.
	Get over here.
	How many necklaces we gonna wear?
	You called a nice bunch of blankets.
	Hey, hey, hey, huh.
	That would be cool, though.
	But you could set it to any way, you know?
	Oh, that's because he was Italian, right?
	Wasn't Columbus Italian?
	They said he was.
	Who the fuck knows, dude?
	I'm sure he was probably Italian via Israel, according to a lot of Reddit feeds.
	Twitter, it's just...
	They just blame everything on the Jews, bro.
	Like, it's not even...
	They got nothing to do with it.
	Still thinking to blame Christmas on the Jews.
	That was kind of.
	The Jews are impressed, but also not cool at the same time.
	Yo, what if they're like, yo, can you blame some good shit, too?
	Like, we did some good shit, right?
	Like, y'all like Christianity?
	Like, you like watching Family Man, don't you?
	That's one of your favorite Christmas movies, isn't it?
	Gangs in New York.
	Who do you think fucking put that to me?
	All them Christmas carols.
	They're probably written by Jews.
	A lot of them are, man.
	See?
	It's so funny.
	Yeah, what are we going to do?
	I'm trying to think of what else is going on, dude, that I was thinking about.
	What's up in your life, man?
	Everything's fine, man.
	I just been working a lot, you know?
	Like last year, we really focused on if we had some time off to go and just go travel to a place to get guests and stuff, you know?
	So it was like a big focus last year to do that.
	Have you taken like a vacation?
	No, not in a while.
	I was supposed to get one over the holidays and it just didn't happen.
	Do you like taking time off?
	Does that feed you at all?
	Yeah, I need it.
	I need more of it.
	And do you enjoy it?
	Like, is your time off just hanging at a beach or do you like going to like a city that you're really interested in, like learning about the history?
	Like, what is what is your version of a It's just been the beach, really.
	I think I've been like, I think I just kind of got, I just put so much work on the calendar that I didn't start to schedules.
	I would love to take two weeks off and go to like a country or something.
	That'd be awesome.
	You know?
	Yeah.
	So, but then I start to think about that.
	Like, well, I should probably get a girlfriend or like a fiancé first because if you go by your, who are you going to, unless you get a buddy to go with or something, that could be fun.
	But it's like two weeks, you can't really go by yourself, really, you know?
	And so then it's like, what are you going to do?
	I imagine you with like a small Asian tour guide and that's it.
	Just you guys motorcycling around Vietnam or Cambodia or something.
	Just say shit to them all the time.
	Yeah, that would be ideal.
	Yeah.
	But no, traveling alone is cool too.
	Cutting him a little feeding him a little piece of yam or whatever.
	I mean, you don't have to feed them.
	You know, they might feed themselves out there.
	The first struggle, Bayar went through.
	The first struggle was finding all the components: the cotton, the buttons, the zippers, the rivets.
	Once Bayard did all that, he ended up with his first product, a plain hooded sweatshirt.
	We already know all this stuff.
	I was looking at what some of the price issues were and stuff that he faced, but it was a nightmare for this guy to do it.
	And he couldn't get it done at like, you know, it came down to like $37 or something, which is, you know, which, but to do it on a regular basis.
	And then Walmart decided we're going to support him.
	We're going to give him like a big order.
	That's fire.
	That's kind of where he's at right now.
	And if you can make a big order, you can obviously reduce the pricing.
	Right.
	Then you can go ahead to the places and say, look, now I'm going to order this many.
	Can you give me a better rate?
	Can you get the material from, does the material also have to come from here?
	I imagine we have to get all of our material from other countries.
	That's a good question.
	Are we creating textiles here?
	It's a good question.
	It's crazy because you don't know that.
	It's like a lot of this stuff we don't even know.
	And then you look around and you're like, but if you find out that you can't even get a t-shirt here, then you're like, well, fuck.
	If we're not even making one t-shirt, then what are we making here?
	I mean, yeah, we're completely reliant.
	It's a little scary, I guess.
	That's the thing.
	It starts to get scary.
	Because, yeah, I mean, because t-shirts are the least necessary product that we are completely reliant on other countries for.
	So if we're relying on t-shirts, what else are we relying on?
	Are we relying on technology in some ways?
	Like, what are the things that become like at-risk topics for us that we're relying on other countries?
	Because it's nice to know that you're not reliant or that the entire world is reliant on each other.
	And if everybody's relying on each other, okay, then there's like a mutually assured destruction.
	Maybe that's good.
	Right.
	Just tell us the truth.
	If we know everything, I would just love it if like, here's the exact facts.
	Yo, when do you think, all right, you know how like conspiracies are incredibly popular right now?
	And like now everybody kind of knows the conspiracies.
	So the, that immediate hit of dopamine you get when you like share like the real truth with somebody who doesn't know it.
	Yeah.
	And when they look at you are like, oh my God, you're so smart or whatever.
	Yeah.
	Now that everybody knows the conspiracies, do you think that we start, the pendulum starts to shift back to like kind of what really happened?
	Because the conspiracy is like the most exaggerated version of what happened.
	And what really happened is probably pretty boring.
	Like the truth of most things is probably pretty fucking boring.
	Yeah, for sure.
	It's not what the media has told us.
	That's for certain.
	Those are lies, 100%.
	But it's not what like the Reddit historians have said.
	And it's probably in here.
	And then we all go.
	All right.
	Yeah.
	Like that is, I wonder if like there's something like that even to the Epstein list.
	Like everybody's waiting for this Epstein list and they're waiting for it to be like direct logs where it's like Bill Gates paid for anal from a 16 year old at 430 or whatever.
	And then it's like name, picture, fucking whatever it is.
	And then every time they hand out like the binder or whatever it is, nothing that crazy comes out.
	Now, don't get me wrong, I believe he's like a prolific pedophile.
	Like if he's, if he is still alive, find him and fucking kill him.
	The girl too, anybody who's involved in it, defended it.
	Anybody who's on the fucking flight logs, put him in prison.
	Like let's, we need some justice here.
	But have we created an idea of what this is, which is so far removed from what it actually is?
	Right.
	And that's why they haven't really, they're like, this is going to be so upsetting.
	There's seven people.
	They're going to think, they're going to think we're liars anyway.
	Right.
	Like, cause imagine they gave us list and there was like, there was like 25 people on it.
	Right.
	We'd be like, man, you fucking pieces of shit lying to us again.
	Like the only thing we would believe if literally every single world leader went in there.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	This list better be so.
	That's why I think they're still working.
	They're probably working with like top producers, Eli Roth, like guys who really can put on a good show.
	Todd Phillips, you know, how do we sell this show?
	Until he did Joe R2, then he was on you, like he's off.
	But yeah, I think, yeah, how do we, what do we, this has to be good.
	Why don't we just get, this is the way I was thinking we saw that.
	The guy who gave, who let Epstein manage his money is this guy named Les Wexner or something like that.
	He's this guy who started Victoria's Secret.
	And like, I don't even think Epstein went to college or something.
	So like, how the fuck do you end up managing this billionaire's money?
	This guy's like 90 years old.
	Give him immunity.
	Just go, yeah, this guy right here.
	Les Wexner, okay?
	He's a billionaire.
	He's 87 years old.
	You just go, listen, you're about to fucking die.
	Can you just tell us what happened?
	Tell us what happens.
	We'll give you immunity.
	You don't get to die a hero at all.
	You're a piece of shit that probably funded this whole fucking thing or connected different people to different stuff.
	We don't know what the fuck you're actually doing.
	You're involved.
	But you don't get to die a, well, you're still a diabolical piece of shit, but maybe you do one good thing in your life before you fucking die.
	And then the American people get some satisfaction.
	The victims get some satisfaction, but you get to actually know what's happening.
	Because I don't even know if we, I don't even, I don't know if we actually will get to know what's happening unless somebody who was involved says it specifically.
	Yeah.
	And I don't believe Ghelane because I think her pops was, he was part of Mossad.
	Right.
	Like, so I don't believe anything she's going to say.
	So she's going to tell the truth.
	Right.
	Like, I'm just amazed that that many people wanted to be pedophiles or whatever.
	So here's the thing.
	I don't know.
	That's part of me that doesn't believe that.
	I'm like, you're telling me.
	I don't think they wanted to.
	I think that, I think he was like, yo, I got some young bitches on an island.
	We're all going to fuck.
	But I don't think that he said, I have underage women to incriminate you on an island.
	I think he's like, yo, I got some 20-year-old fucking Russian bitches.
	They're on an island.
	And all these dudes were like, oh, we're going to go party with Russian bitches?
	Like, I wonder if it's as simple as like some club promoter going, I got a table full of girls at Tao tonight.
	You want to party?
	And people go, well, that sounds like a great idea.
	Nobody's IDing those girls.
	Right.
	And they for sure aren't IDing because why would they go, yeah, this guy's going to make me a pedophile this weekend?
	Yeah.
	Right?
	Like, so, and then maybe afterwards they go, by the way, that girl was this old.
	Yeah.
	So I'm going to need you on a certain day to do a favor.
	That's how I would imagine it would be most effective.
	And what if some of the girls were not even underage or anything?
	You don't even know if you got, if you, you could have somebody say that, you're so scared.
	You're already like, there's some favor in the wind.
	That alone, the mirage of that, that's the biggest thing.
	You have no fucking idea.
	That's a great point, too.
	You're going to be so scared.
	Like, well, first of all, I don't want to see, I'm so bad at sex, I don't want anybody to see a video of it.
	Fucking a hooker on an island still is bad if you're like a political figure that has a family and you have children.
	Like, you could be, it could be old, it could be old enough and it's still like, you don't want that out because it ruins your career.
	Yeah.
	So yeah, there are many ways to do it.
	Yeah.
	I mean, it's definitely, and then it's like, how do you doctor all that up to present it to the American?
	Because it's a fucking, you have to find, you have to serve a Mona Lisa to the American people.
	There's, because there's no, but then they're like, we have to make sure all these people, that information that's released, but maybe some of that's true.
	If like you put information and has a name in it that you're not sure, and then you get sued by that person.
	Or you got to protect these girls who are underage and they were raped by these famous people.
	And like they have moved on with their lives.
	They got families.
	Do they want their information out there in the world?
	Probably not.
	They're like, I don't want to relive that shit.
	So redact me or whatever that term is.
	But yeah, I just feel like we're at this point where like if we're going through this phase in America where we are, we're in all-time low trust in all of our institutions.
	And what happens from here?
	There's two ways we go.
	Talk to me.
	It gets better somehow or it starts to devolve even more and crazier see it gets deeper and deeper.
	It's so funny because I've had both feelings.
	Yesterday I had the feeling like, holy shit, dude, nobody's going to know where to trust anything anymore.
	It's going to get really interesting.
	Or you start being honest.
	Like that's kind of, that's why, right.
	Or we start being honest.
	And like, yo, we're Americans.
	We can deal with shit.
	Like, we've dealt with horrible things before in our past.
	Even as humans, we can.
	That's it.
	So it's like, and I think there's a version where like accepting these things and moving on allows us to have even more pride, where right now we're in this like age of like ambiguity where like we want to be really proud, but we're like, but is some of this shit true?
	Like we're just unsure.
	Let us accept it.
	Let's accept these, the stains on our history and then let's move on and make greater history.
	Let's make greater things to be proud of.
	I think it's a moment in history to be proud of where your an administration comes in, they go, listen, we unfortunately, the government let these food companies poison you, you know, and a lot of people are negatively impacted like that.
	A lot of people got cancer probably because of food that they were eating.
	And that's, that's fucked up.
	That's horrible.
	And we're going to either punish some of those food organizations or bare minimum, we're going to make it illegal for them to do that shit.
	Hey, some of these pharmaceutical companies, they were jabbing you up with shit that you didn't need to be jabbed up with.
	And they were doing that so they could profit.
	We're going to either punish them or we're going to stop allowing them to do it so the next generation of Americans doesn't have to go through what you guys went through.
	And then you go, you know what's fire about America?
	We realize when we fucked up and we have the energy and excitement and the confidence, the self-esteem to go, all right, we're changing it and we're going to live up to the expectations that we have for ourselves.
	Yeah.
	And that's why I lie like you could say whatever you want about RFK.
	It seems to me what he wants to do is make a positive change for people.
	Let's see if he's able to do it.
	But in terms of making America healthy or whatever the slogan is, why would you not want America to be more healthy?
	Like, give the guy a second to fucking try it.
	Like every minute they're like, this is the problem today.
	And then that becomes a story every day.
	It's just like how fucked up it is.
	And I have friends down that are addicted to the news.
	And I'm just like, dude, just live your life.
	See, everything's going to probably be fine.
	It's already been fine.
	We're already damaged.
	We all have cancer or whatever.
	Everything, you know, we're doing our best and shit.
	And like, you know, how drastically bad do you expect things to get, you know?
	Wouldn't it be cool?
	Like, this is all I said.
	Like, obviously, you know, I have a daughter.
	So I'm like, and she's of the age.
	We're going through vaccines and stuff.
	And it's terrifying.
	You know, I was talking to Joe about this.
	It was like, it's the most terrifying thing you ever experienced in your life is you have the most perfect thing you've ever created and you have to put something in them and you've watched a video on YouTube that says that it could do something horrible to her.
	But if you don't do it, she could get some disease that could do something horrible to her.
	So you're like, what?
	How do I protect my kid?
	There's a fork in the road and both potentially lead to horrible.
	How do I protect my kid?
	I would love nothing more than to do like an intense, like, and I'm sure they've already done this.
	So if they have and call me an idiot, that's fine.
	I'm an idiot, whatever.
	But like intense like research into, you know, the vaccinations.
	And I would love nothing more if we found out, hey, you know what?
	It looks like they are safe for them and there's very low chance cause of anything negative for your kid.
	How much nicer would that feel than right now, what all of us new parents are feeling, which are like, do I have to delay it?
	Like, which ones, how do I protect my child?
	Like, right?
	Like, and just like, we want the research.
	We want it.
	It's, yeah, we want to know.
	And I think if you gave Bobby an out where he, you know, if even if it was 20 minutes a week where he gave a speech or something, and maybe that he should start doing that to update people, Robert Kennedy Jr. to say, hey, this is where things are at, and we're going to try our best, and this is what we're going to try to do.
	Maybe that would be great to have some sort of an address.
	Love it.
	You know, Trump's addresses, sometimes they're so, you know, they're Trumpian.
	You know, they're just like kind of the bare facts and like, you know, we're going to win type shit.
	So maybe if you had Vance give something that was a little bit more elongated and a little bit more, had a little bit more personal notation and feeling to it, like a FDR do that?
	I think they were called the fireside checks.
	Oh, yeah.
	Where he was talking to people.
	I think you're right.
	We might need something like that.
	Dude, because there's so much muck out there.
	There's so much bullshit information.
	And like, we're guilty of that too.
	We just spout whatever on the fucking mic and who knows if it's true or not.
	But it'd be nice if we had information disseminated from the people in power.
	It might be wrong or it might be right, but they are the people in power.
	So we can at least hold them to that standard.
	If they say that they're doing this specific thing and we disagree with it, we can be like, I disagree with that.
	But if Bobby's coming out and he's going, listen, we're getting the red dye out of here.
	It doesn't benefit anybody.
	There are other ways to create, I don't know, sugar coloring substitutes that are less harmful to you.
	Does anybody disagree with this?
	Everybody goes, no.
	Okay.
	Done.
	Right.
	Thanks.
	Yeah, there's still so many people that just want somebody to be wrong all the time, you know?
	So maybe that'll start to go away.
	I don't know.
	But yeah, I think if I wake up each day and I looked at everything as politics and stuff and it would just, it just starts to wear on you.
	And then that algorithm learns you.
	And then you're a good fucking puppet.
	You become a puppet.
	What else is going on?
	Let's think of something entertaining.
	I'm trying to think of something.
	Was there a job that you had when you were young that you miss ever?
	Hmm.
	That you're like, I'm fucking good at this shit.
	It wasn't that I was good at it, but I liked mowing lawns.
	Like I felt like accomplished afterwards.
	Like I'd look at it and I'd go, wow, I did that.
	That was kind of annoying.
	It was hard.
	But here's this thing that I did and it looks better now.
	And I felt proud of it.
	And I think there's a version of that in creating stuff in general.
	But I think very early I like to work on something and then see the thing I created.
	And so yeah, there was something really nice to that about that.
	Now I get to do a job where I like the actual work part and I like seeing the end product.
	I didn't enjoy the work part of it.
	But yeah, I think that, you know, I'm trying to think.
	I mean, I just worked in like restaurants.
	Oh, yeah, you definitely did.
	I can see you for sure.
	For sure.
	What restaurants was I working at?
	Oh, obviously macaroni grill, dude.
	Dude, you wore a cape at macaroni grill.
	I'm sure.
	There's no way you did it.
	We didn't have a macaroni grill in the city, man.
	Hey, look, dude.
	We need the macaroni grill.
	That's your origin story.
	I work at a pizza shop.
	I do look like I could pull off pizza shop, right?
	Looked like I was arguing with Spike Lee.
	I'm trying to think of whatever.
	What about you?
	I worked at Pizza Shop, man.
	I love that shit, dude.
	What was the first time?
	Do you remember the first time as a kid that you made made money and like the feeling of that?
	Oh, yeah.
	We had, they'd pay you to clean up.
	We had like wishing wells in our town or whatever, and they'd pay you to clean them out.
	Like the city had like.
	It's like take the coins out of it.
	Yeah, get in there.
	Like you had to take a ladder down and get all the shit out and stuff.
	And there's like people throw fucking try, like a lot of used, like to-go orders and shit in that bitch.
	A lot of Popeyes in that bitch.
	Decent amount of money, not as much as you would think.
	Yeah.
	We found a fucking sword had blood on it one time or like a pretty scalabert or whatever.
	But yeah, cleaning out those one summer.
	That was probably the first job I ever had, really.
	But get you a little bit of money, hide my money too.
	Really?
	I used to put my money in a crown royal bag, hide it in the yard.
	How old were you?
	Dig a hole and hide it.
	Probably 11, maybe 12. Hide that.
	That's a nice bag.
	That bitch was nice.
	You keep that bag.
	Isn't that weird?
	Yeah, it had some doubloons in it that I caught at some of the parades and like the Mardi Gras parades.
	There's just these little medallions kind of like they're not worth, they're not worth any money, but they had pictures of like different historical figures from Louisiana on them because you catch them at Mardi Gras.
	And I put them in a bag and hide them in the yard.
	And why do you think you were hiding your didn't trust anybody in the house?
	I knew everybody in that bitch.
	Yeah.
	Really?
	My three siblings and my mom, I was burying that shit.
	I ain't fucking with it.
	Do you still talk to your siblings?
	Oh, yeah.
	We talk now.
	Things are good now.
	But at the time, I didn't trust anybody in that pastor, dude, because I was sneaking in that room and stealing this shit.
	That's where it comes from.
	When you ain't shit, you assume other people ain't shit.
	It starts here, though.
	It starts here, though.
	I don't trust me so much.
	I don't trust you.
	That's crazy, dude.
	What else, man?
	What's up with the culture?
	How's black stuff going over there?
	I know that new rapper, Gen Lee.
	Have you seen him?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I thought it's Gin Lee.
	Is it Gin?
	Like Jin for ginger.
	Well, first of all, he's a black dude that says the N. Sorry, he's a white dude that says the N word.
	He put two N's in it.
	So he misspelled it.
	So he could be either one.
	That's all I'm saying.
	But yeah, he's a.
	It's interesting.
	Yeah, he is.
	And he's like, he's confident saying it.
	He seems really like he's from that culture.
	Yeah.
	So now are we witnessing that word become more of a cultural thing and not a specific race thing?
	That's what I wonder because I'm just wondering, like, say you're so much a part of the culture, and it seems like he is, like, he has black friends.
	He says the word around them.
	If you're so much a part of it, but then you can't say that thing, are you, then is that feel like the culture isn't saying, well, you're, you're, you're here, but you're not, you're not.
	So I have no idea.
	But it's just, it's interesting.
	It is interesting.
	It is interesting because it is like, so I guess when I was growing up in New York, it was a thing that white people, we would never say and you could not say.
	But like Puerto Ricans that were kind of like white presenting would say it and that was fine.
	Yeah.
	I think even like Mexicans were kind of saying it.
	Sometimes even Asians would say it, but it felt really like a word white people were not allowed to say, obviously because of the historical context.
	But that situation right there is quite interesting.
	Like if he did grow up in this culture, maybe it's his friend's way of saying, we don't see you as different, bro.
	Like we actually see you as one of us and we don't feel any negative sentiment when you say it.
	And this is our way of saying we accept you and you're not different.
	Maybe.
	Again, I don't know.
	I'd have to ask them.
	Whereas like if somebody else said it who is not from the culture at all, they'd be like, yo, you can't say that.
	And that's their way of saying you're not from the culture, bro.
	Right.
	Like you are not.
	You're a visitor here and you're not allowed to say that thing.
	Right.
	Yeah, that's kind of how I think I'm saying.
	I just think it's interesting.
	It's kind of interesting because you have people defending him online.
	You have people calling him out online.
	And some of his music is great, man.
	I mean, it's, it's catchy.
	I'm curious to see.
	Like, it's, yeah, it's like, and some of the lines he's saying, like, you know, don't get in trouble because of my shit.
	Like, you know, I'm not saying this because I'm, I'm just saying this because this is who I am, right?
	He even expresses in like that stand on it song, like, don't, don't get in it.
	Don't repeat my shit just to get in.
	And now you get in trouble.
	Right.
	Which I think is, yeah, that's empathetic.
	At least given his story, right?
	Yeah.
	Because he probably is aware that, oh shit, white kids might see me doing this and then they think it's okay for them to do it.
	And now they're getting fucked up.
	And so he's like, listen, your life might not be my life.
	Like, like, at least you put a safety precaution on this shit.
	A lot of people.
	That's like better than the parental advisory.
	It's just, there's a, there's a white disclaimer.
	You know, You are not me.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	That's a ginger advisory right there.
	That's a ginger advisory, dude.
	But this is gonna, this could potentially open up gateways for some gingers to say the n-word and some spicy, some, because they've long been looming on the edge of the culture.
	The ring around Saturn, they call them.
	And it'll be interesting to see what happens.
	Yeah, do we, that's something, like, we got to ask ourselves, like, are we fully accepting of gingers?
	Like, are white people fully accepting of the gingers?
	I mean, look, I don't.
	Are you even, what are you, you like part something, right?
	My father's from Nicaragua, and my mother's just white.
	Yeah.
	But I don't, you know, I've thought, you know, yeah, I'm not anymore guy.
	I'm not dropping it.
	I'm not thought.
	Fuck no.
	What am I fucking trying to prove to somebody?
	But I do remember they had like this cool band.
	I went to a black fraternity, and we'll get you out of here in a second.
	I wasn't in one.
	It was like Noop or something.
	Stata Noop or something.
	Bring up a couple of black fraternities over there.
	Southern.
	Alpha, what is it?
	University.
	Alpha Kappa Psi.
	Alpha Phi Beta.
	Kappa Alpha Psi.
	That might have been it.
	The Kappas are.
	Have you seen the Kappas before?
	Kappas are cool.
	They got like a cane and they do like these cool dances with the cane.
	My boy was a Kappa in college.
	They could have been it.
	They were like swagged out.
	And then the, what is the, the Omegas?
	Those are like the athlete.
	That's like the athlete prep.
	That's like, really?
	You know, Omega Psi Phi.
	Yeah.
	Well, Zach has that.
	The Q Dog thing.
	Q Dogs.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I think it was Q Dog shit, right?
	They invited him.
	They had like a, it was like, it was a, it was nickelback, but it was black guys doing it, right?
	It was like.
	Don't even say it.
	Don't even say it.
	I'll tell you what it was.
	Say the name of that cover band.
	Tony didn't say the name of the nickelback black cover band Theo.
	We've almost done the whole pile, okay?
	We did a good job.
	We did a good job.
	I know you're trying to bait me with this gin lee.
	We did a good job today, okay?
	We did a good job today.
	Hear me out.
	Here we go.
	Light it on fire.
	Light it on fire.
	It was just a great, I was like, this is a crazy cover fan.
	Don't do it.
	And then one of their songs was like, oh, this is how you remind me?
	It's not.
	Okay.
	So, okay, so they're doing like hip-hop renditions.
	Hip-hop renditions of Nick of Nicole.
	Nicoleback.
	Nicole back.
	And just make sure you say it right.
	Yeah.
	We don't even have to go into it.
	That's so crazy how we all know exactly how it was spelled.
	But yeah, look, I just felt welcome to be in the bill.
	That's all I'm saying, dude.
	Congratulations.
	This is how you remind me.
	You're not mean.
	You never made it as a wild man, kid.
	That whole suck right now.
	Spit that whole shit right now, D. Couldn't cut it as a home.
	We got to stop.
	Congratulations on life.
	The new special's out now.
	Congratulations on being a bad man.
	Thank you, baby.
	Yeah.
	Thanks for being just somebody.
	Yeah.
	It's good to have like that.
	There's different podcasters in different parts of the country and different parts of like the world, you know?
	And it's just, we're lucky to be able to do this and to be able to spend these conversations.
	I got to come up there and get on your pod this time.
	Oh, please, man.
	I want you on Flagrant and I want you on Brilliant Idiots, man.
	I'll be up there in April, I think.
	You and Charlotte got to kick it, man.
	We got to get together.
	I know.
	Even if we just go grab a drink, I think you guys would hit it off, bro.
	Oh, I'm sure we would.
	You guys have great vibes.
	He's incredible, man.
	He's incredible.
	I've only heard good things, man.
	It would be an honor.
	But thank you so much for your time, dude.
	I know it's very valuable and it means a lot, and I just appreciate it.
	Congrats on everything, man.
	You too.
	Super stoked for you, bro.
	Congratulations, dude.
	This jacket.
	Zach Bryan gave me this jacket.
	It's very hot in here.
	I saw it.
	I saw it in the back.
	I was trying to fit in a little.
	So this is black as I get today, brother.
	The Zach Bryan tour jacket.
	That kind of shows you where I'm at.
	Thanks, brother.
	All right, Yvette, man.
	Thanks.
	Oh, that was great.
	Now I'm just folding on the breeze, and I feel I'm falling like these leaves.
	I must be cornerstone.
	Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this peace of mind I found.
	I can feel it in my bones.

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