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E551 Timothée Chalamet

Timothée Chalamet is an award-winning actor known for his roles in movies like Dune, Wonka, A Beautiful Boy, and more. His new movie “A Complete Unknown” where he plays Bob Dylan is in theaters 12/25. Timothée Chalamet joins Theo to talk about transforming into Bob Dylan (and singing like him) in his new movie, what his life was like growing up in NYC before the fame, and how he goes about choosing which movies to get involved with. Timothée Chalamet: https://www.instagram.com/tchalamet ------------------------------------------------ Tour Dates! https://theovon.com/tour New Merch: https://www.theovonstore.com ------------------------------------------------- Sponsored By: Celsius: Go to the Celsius Amazon store to check out all of their flavors. #CELSIUSBrandPartner #CELSIUSLiveFit https://amzn.to/3HbAtPJ Prize Picks: First time users, download the PrizePicks app, use code THEO and PrizePicks will instantly give you $50 on your first lineup of $5 or more. https://www.prizepicks.com Kraken: Go to http://kraken.com/theo to buy Bitcoin on the #1 crypto exchange, as ranked by Forbes Blue Chew: Go to http://bluechew.com to try BlueChew FREE - just pay $5 shipping at checkout MasterClass: Go to http://masterclass.com/theo to get up to 50% off Zocdoc: Go to http://zocdoc.com/theo to find and book a top-rated doctor today BetterHelp: This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp — go to http://betterhelp.com/theo to get 10% off your first month. ------------------------------------------------- Music: “Shine” by Bishop Gunn Bishop Gunn - Shine ------------------------------------------------ Submit your funny videos, TikToks, questions and topics you'd like to hear on the podcast to: tpwproducer@gmail.com Hit the Hotline: 985-664-9503 Video Hotline for Theo Upload here: https://www.theovon.com/fan-upload Send mail to: This Past Weekend 1906 Glen Echo Rd PO Box #159359 Nashville, TN 37215 ------------------------------------------------ Find Theo: Website: https://theovon.com Instagram: https://instagram.com/theovon Facebook: https://facebook.com/theovon Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thispastweekend Twitter: https://twitter.com/theovon YouTube: https://youtube.com/theovon Clips Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheoVonClips Shorts Channel: https://bit.ly/3ClUj8z ------------------------------------------------ Producer: Zach https://www.instagram.com/zachdpowers Producer: Nick https://www.instagram.com/realnickdavis/ Producer: Colin https://instagram.com/colin_reiner Producer: Cam https://www.instagram.com/cam__george/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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	And thank you so much for your support.
	Today's guest is one of the biggest young acting person people in the world, acting humans.
	You've seen him in Dune, Willy Wonka, A Beautiful Boy.
	And now his new movie, A Complete Unknown, where he plays Bob Dylan in theaters Christmas Day.
	You can check it out.
	I had a great time getting to know him.
	He's an enthralling dang human.
	Today's guest is Timothy Chalamet.
	I love you.
	I love you.
	We were just in Nashville.
	Let's start there.
	We good, Zach?
	Yeah.
	Cool beans.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, I saw you were just in Nashville.
	Had you been there before?
	Yeah, once, kind of exploring.
	I was doing a movie called Bones and All.
	I was trying to do research.
	Oh, yeah.
	It's my producer's favorite.
	No way.
	Yeah, that we just met?
	Yep, that guy.
	Zach is his name.
	And he loves it.
	Yeah, he really loves it.
	No way.
	So I had wandered there and this time got a better sense of it.
	It's a great city, huh?
	Yeah, it's a good place.
	It's like a little city.
	It's like a little city, kind of like a fancy little city.
	It's almost like the Jean Bonet of cities.
	Kind of like, you know, look at this outfit kind of, you know, but dangerous at the same time.
	But it has like kind of like an element of like mystery kind of.
	That's kind of a weird example.
	No, but you're not, are you from there?
	No, I'm from Louisiana, but Nashville, here's what it is.
	It's safe.
	It's nice.
	People are friendly.
	You can't cheat on your wife there.
	So it's not.
	Because the city's too small.
	Too small.
	Okay.
	You couldn't take your wife or spouse or significant other.
	You couldn't even, yeah, like, and you couldn't take them to dinner or something and not see somebody that would know one of you or them.
	So it's.
	There's like 14 people?
	Yeah.
	Well, there's just, there's enough people, but there's a, it's a, the south's a little gossipy.
	Uh-huh.
	Okay.
	So there's a lot of like, it's not a really an adultery city.
	It's not a city that's adultery is not like a trademark of the city, probably.
	How's it different from New Orleans?
	New Orleans is a little bit more dangerous, I think, you know?
	And better, probably better food, to be honest.
	Okay.
	I think you have to have crime to have good food.
	That's kind of how I feel.
	I've never heard the M.O. Really?
	Yeah.
	That's interesting.
	You ever had that Yakum in New Orleans?
	That Yakum?
	Is it drugs?
	Is it?
	Okay.
	Because I've never had Yakum?
	I haven't had the edible version, no.
	Oh, this thing.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
	Oh, this Vietnamese food?
	I don't think so.
	I was watching top five New Orleans street foods.
	That Yakum, homie.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Wow.
	That's a deep cut right there.
	It is a very deep cut.
	I thought it came in a small baggie.
	Yeah, I haven't had this, bro.
	I have not had this.
	But, you know, New Orleans has one of the largest Vietnamese populations.
	Really, in the country.
	I did not know that.
	I've never been to NOLA.
	I think so.
	You haven't?
	Never.
	Oh, man.
	A lot of stuff shoots there.
	For some reason, I just haven't been there before.
	Yeah.
	But it's mythical.
	You know, Nashville reminded me of Austin a little bit.
	You know, 6th Street.
	Yeah.
	Promenade a little bit.
	Yeah, yeah, for sure.
	Sort of, yeah.
	Yeah, yeah, that Broadway, that area.
	That area is really interesting down there.
	What else about Nashville that I really like?
	You go to the soccer games ever, Nashville, SE?
	I haven't been to that.
	I go to watch Lipscomb College.
	They play soccer there.
	What?
	At Lipscomb College.
	Nowhere.
	It's a college, and they have soccer, and so I'll go watch some of their games.
	What's their student body population?
	It's a good question.
	Pull it up.
	Lipscomb College.
	Let's see.
	It's one of those colleges that right next to it has the high school, also, and then the children's school or whatever.
	So it's like you can go there from K to senior year of college.
	Yeah, you could go from like K to 40. 4,800 students.
	Okay.
	But their soccer team has been ranked in the top 25 the past few years.
	So you love like your diehard, you know, season ticket holder.
	You're there all the time.
	Sometimes I'll text my neighbor who's the coach.
	He's like, hey, you might have to pop by.
	You might just pop by and you're quitting there.
	Cool.
	And he'll be on the field.
	He'd be like, yeah, sure, pull up.
	Do you get like the McConaughey UT pass?
	You can go wherever you want.
	There's not a lot of bleachers.
	So it's great.
	So you're basically on the field all the time.
	I was amazed.
	I was at that UT Georgia game.
	McCauley gets fully.
	Oh, you went to that?
	He gets full license.
	He could do whatever he wants.
	Because I already had a field pass.
	I thought I was pretty high level in some way.
	He's like with the coach.
	He's calling play.
	He's coaching.
	He's taping a guy up.
	He's taping a guy up.
	He's like, you're going to be all right off.
	He's living the experience.
	I got a buddy who's on the national soccer team.
	His name's Alex Mule.
	Oh, really?
	Let's pull him up.
	Let's give him some signs because I need to go watch him.
	You think if I hit him up, he would invite me to a coach?
	Absolutely.
	And the games are often sold out.
	I grew up with this guy.
	Alex Mule.
	Yeah, but he was always M-M-U-Y-L.
	That's the bane of his life, man.
	Oh, yeah.
	People that can't spell Mule, yeah.
	This is amazing, man.
	I wish this is like, this is what AI is going to be in 20 years.
	You just say it and it pops up.
	Oh, as we're talking, the computer follows.
	Oh, yeah.
	Have you ever thought about that?
	Have you tried, do you use the VR?
	The Vision?
	Oculus, that kind of thing?
	No, no, no, well, Oculus too, I guess, with the AirPod Vision Plus.
	What do you mean?
	Like Blue Blockers or something?
	The Vision Pro?
	Vision Pro?
	What is it?
	The Apple helmet.
	But tell me about Mule.
	I just wanted to.
	Yeah, my bad.
	So you played ball with him growing up?
	I played ball with him growing up, and he was just gifted.
	It's tough.
	You could play like that last dance, Chicago Bulls documentary.
	Some of those guys will be partying all night, and then they'll drop, like Dennis Robin, he'll drop 40. And I could work my ass off.
	And if you don't have the gift of physical talent, of athleticism, you're cooked.
	Yeah, you're done, dude.
	Yeah, some people got that damn, you got a damn foot Mozart out there.
	I don't have that.
	Alex Mule is a foot Mozart.
	Really?
	Yes.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, I got to go check him out, man.
	I haven't been to see a game.
	It's unfortunate.
	I did get to go see Vanderbilt, which is the college that's, that's the SEC college that's actually in Nashville.
	That's what I visited.
	Yeah.
	I was at Vanderbilt.
	Oh, yeah.
	I saw a video of you out there.
	You know, I never had that American college experience.
	You know, I went to Columbia for a second.
	I went to NYU, so I'm jealous of that.
	But Vanderbilt respected Vanderbilt.
	It didn't feel like UT or it didn't feel like it had a huge campus or a huge.
	No, it's a smaller energy.
	But we went to one game this year.
	They played Alabama and they upset Alabama.
	So that was huge.
	It was crazy.
	Usually their football program is not that good, right?
	It's not.
	Yeah.
	And they know that.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	We're not telling the secret.
	No, no, you got to keep keeping their place.
	But that was the game they won.
	And look, they didn't even, it was like all these lawyers and attorneys like tearing down the goalposts.
	They even had, they had a, there we are after the game, we actually, we, uh, is it a big law program?
	Carl Lee is their coach, and he's an awesome guy.
	I mean, he's a class act.
	He just gets smoked.
	Oh, we got to, yeah.
	There you are.
	Dude, what are you doing on the field, dude?
	What are you doing on the field, dude?
	You almost ran that person over.
	Hey, bro.
	That's amazing.
	Put on a helmet, girl.
	That was a girl that should not have been.
	Yeah, you almost ran her over.
	Yeah, she shouldn't be playing wideout, you know?
	It's just different.
	But no, it's a, what's it like there?
	It's, oh, after the game, so they had like engineers like, how should we take this down?
	And then there's just drunk kids.
	They just rip it down.
	And then they carried it down Broadway, which is like the street you were talking about, the goalpost, because they've never had it happen.
	Those kids had never broken a law in their life.
	Yeah.
	They even tried to valet park the goalpost at like a restaurant.
	Yeah.
	Is it a fancy, like an expensive, fancy type school?
	I mean, I don't think it's a lot of, it's a lot of kids that have never played probably dice in an alley.
	I would say that.
	So I would say it's, you know, probably pretty decent, you know?
	Man.
	That's pretty crazy, huh?
	But it is a really cool, it's a cool program, man.
	I feel like I could see three stadiums for my hotel.
	I feel like I could see the Vanderbilt one, the Tennessee Titans one, and Nissan Stadium.
	Shout out Nissan.
	Yeah.
	Is Nissan a big Tennessee car manufacturer?
	That's a good question.
	I don't think so.
	It sounds Nissan.
	It's Japan.
	Japanese.
	It's Japanese.
	Huh?
	Huh.
	Dude, thanks for coming in, Timothy.
	I appreciate it, man.
	Man, thank you.
	You know, I not with the shameless plug, but I got this movie, A Complete Unknown, coming on Christmas Day.
	Yeah.
	Did you actually see it?
	Yeah.
	Fantastic, man.
	So I'm excited that we can actually talk about it.
	And I was very much in the time period of the movie the whole time and trying to stay without being a dick, you know, within the bounds of the character.
	But somebody in the hair makeup trailer at the end of the day, they would play this podcast, you know, which is how I discovered it.
	And particularly the episodes of The Garbage Man and sort of the real life episodes, The Lunch Lady, The Coroner.
	Wayne, yeah, Wayne, The Garbage Man.
	He's doing good.
	Those are like awesome episodes, you know, and sort of like worldviews that I wouldn't get otherwise, you know.
	Yeah, and you're from New York, right?
	And I'm from New York, so Garbage Man, he totally recontextualized that for me.
	Bro, he did a great job because they used to have.
	I used to hate them, you know?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, because you think they're taking their time.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	And I realize how tough that job is.
	And he was like throwing dogs in the back of the, I mean, that story is.
	Do you remember that?
	There's a lot of, yeah, a lot of missing, formerly living things started to disappear.
	In the back of the back of the.
	Well, they used to have incinerators in the buildings.
	That's what was crazy.
	Right, right.
	So that people would put their trash, it would hit the incinerator, and then they would just have, I mean, this is like six years, seven years ago, I think, but they would just have soot in barrels, you know, or in cans on the side of the street.
	And then they started getting bags.
	But he said, yeah, there's been times where a lot of things have shown up.
	But thank you, man, for checking it out.
	Yeah, or for just hearing it on accident.
	Yeah, hearing it on accident and loving it.
	And I'm so happy you saw this movie.
	And this is like, you know, I hope this isn't like a shameless self-plug, but no, it's not at all.
	We're happy that you're here.
	I appreciate it.
	I appreciate it.
	And you get to do a biopic or biopic.
	I still don't know, man.
	Biopic sounds like a medical procedure.
	Yeah.
	You know, that sounds like someone is inspecting your lungs to see if you played the role the right way.
	I like biopic.
	Biopic sounds fancier.
	Yeah, biopic does sound fancier.
	I think that too.
	Yeah, biopic.
	Was it like, so let me think about a question like that.
	Just so people know, this is about a four or five year period in Bob Dylan's life.
	This is a period.
	Yeah, four or five year period in the early Bob Dylan's life.
	And I'm sure a lot of people listening to your program are already fans of Bob Dylan's, but I'm sure a lot aren't because to my generation, you know.
	Yeah, some people don't know.
	Some don't know.
	And he's really one of the most fantastic American artists of all time and has influenced our culture in so many deep ways.
	And it's just, you know, I grew up on kid-cutting and hip-hop, and that was really my, you know, my, my, my passion.
	And then somewhere in my 20s, because this movie I was working on, I became obsessed with this man, Bob Dylan, who's absolutely, I could just speak about him endlessly.
	And, you know, I would love if people saw this movie and even if they got a passing interest, discover the world of Bob Dylan, I feel like we get to be a bridge or a gateway to this guy.
	And I hope this isn't one of your episodes where you got like someone, you know, like one of the ones people skip because it's like a person playing something, you know what I'm saying?
	Like a, I don't want to use that word celebrity, but like, you know, because my favorite episodes of yours are.
	Oh, like a fancier person, hypothetically fancy.
	No, I don't mean like that, but just like, I like, like I said, I like the ones that.
	Yeah, we don't have like a lot of celebrities on.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Yeah, I never really used that word, but.
	No, that's okay.
	No, no, I don't think so.
	Look, man, I think.
	I feel like this part of the job is that, though, because when I'm working, I'm really very much in it.
	You know what I mean?
	And then here, anyway.
	Yeah, actors get kind of a weird rap, though, because then they also have to be celebrities in some way.
	Yeah, in some way.
	So that's what I'm saying.
	Well, if you want to get your movie out, there's only a limit of how pretentious in some way, you know, whatever.
	I want this, especially this movie.
	I believe in this movie and I believe in this man.
	He's a tremendous artist.
	So I want to get it out there.
	Yeah.
	No, I don't think that's, man.
	I think that you did the movie with the young man with drug addiction with Steve Carell.
	Oh, yeah, beautiful boy, yeah.
	Which was awesome.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I know you struggle with that a little bit.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, man.
	And so many people have.
	And it's like, so I don't think there's any doubt in people's mind about your ability to be a bridge between whether it be a story or a person to a new generation or to new listeners or people kind of appreciate you.
	And I appreciate you bringing a beautiful boy, and I feel like you're doing the exact same thing, not to just blow smoke up each other's ass, but I feel like when you.
	Oh, we're a couple of naughty Native Americans right here.
	Come on, come on.
	Yeah, boy.
	Oh, yeah.
	If you're listening to this and not watching this, we're fully at the bottom half of our body.
	We're out of here booth and homie.
	It's getting spicy out here.
	I don't know what that means.
	I don't either.
	I don't even know what that means.
	Make that out.
	But no, but because I know you speak on it too, and you probably empower people, you know, that otherwise would be doing some naughty stuff.
	Yeah, people want to hear us.
	People want to see it.
	People want to see a little bit of a journey that they can relate to or hear about it.
	Yeah, exactly.
	So about the character, like, so Bob Dylan has like such a famous, because yeah, a lot of younger generation might not know about him, you know?
	Yeah.
	And a lot of he has such like, that's a good Bob Dylan, man.
	Was it?
	Yeah, that was good.
	How did you do when you first decided, because I wish you had to practice it in your room or something like, tell me about the first thing.
	That was super gradual.
	Can't do it with people that are fans because people that are fans of Bob Dylan will go, they'll all tell you you got it wrong.
	That's the trouble with playing someone so famous and beloved.
	Everyone's got an opinion about him.
	Yeah.
	So you got to put the blinders on and just kind of do it around people that, you know.
	Look, man, I'm usually not that prick actor who's like obliging his friends or whatever to listen to the character he's working on.
	But this is the one time I did that.
	Oh, I think you have to do that.
	Because, yeah, you don't want to get out there and do a bad job of it.
	Exactly, man.
	This would have been blasphemous.
	I would have gotten killed.
	I mean, I could still get killed.
	Yeah.
	But now it seems like, you know, getting a little bit of love.
	You know what I'm saying?
	A little bit of that.
	Hey, snipers down.
	Lay down.
	Snipers.
	Yeah.
	But was there a moment where you tried that, where you actually tried it?
	Yes, very gradually.
	I had to.
	There's a great dialect coach named Tim Monic.
	You know, you can work with people that are like experts in this field and they'll tell you how to go about it.
	This man, Tim Monic, invented dialect coaching.
	He came up with it.
	Tim Monic.
	Let's see.
	Timonic.
	T-I.
	Gander.
	M-O-N-I-C-H.
	He's worked with Leonard DiCaprio.
	He's worked with everyone.
	So he's a famous dialect coach.
	I've never looked him up before.
	Yeah.
	Tim Monic.
	There he is right there.
	Okay.
	Is that the man?
	Yeah, there I am with him.
	I got in trouble anyway.
	Oh, you did?
	What happened to you?
	I got in trouble because the strike had just hit, and I was just hanging out with him.
	And I didn't really get in trouble.
	People thought I was a scab and I was working with him.
	but he's a, You're right, dude.
	You're right.
	You're right.
	That's the only union where you'd be crossing the picket line by working on your tongue in front of the fucking opposite, but it was a real thing, dude.
	Oh, yeah.
	Scab.
	Stop working on the accent.
	How dare you learn Spanish?
	Yeah, exactly.
	Wow.
	Man, next time I'll call you.
	Because actually, when you put it like that, it's like, what are you supposed to do?
	And I wasn't working with him.
	I was hanging out.
	We went to a shitty, super shitty.
	It's bleak, man.
	Like, the way Bob Dylan, when he came up, there was like all these cafes in downtown New York and the music.
	And now I was trying to find the folk scene in modern day Manhattan.
	It was brutal.
	Oh, I think in Manhattan probably, maybe like somewhere in the village, probably, right?
	Yeah, but it was brutal.
	I mean, I went to Cafe Wa where Bob Dylan came up, and it's just like Aerosmith covers now.
	So some guy goes, dream out!
	And you're like, oh, man, yeah, this is not how it was.
	That's why I had Grimes cover.
	It has like a small Aeropostale in the back, kind of.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Yeah, that's kind of a bummer.
	Did you have to meet Bob to get into this?
	I never got the chance to meet him.
	Not yet at all.
	Oh, he's super reclusive.
	Yeah.
	He's elusive.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, I don't know if I'll ever see the movie.
	Yeah.
	He did this ex-post.
	I've been taught to say it's not tweet anymore, I guess.
	Fucking ex-post.
	But that he did it like three days ago, you know.
	And that was more than he, he, he.
	There's a movie about me opening soon called A Complete Unknown.
	Timothy Shalomay is starring in the lead role.
	Timmy's a brilliant.
	Timmy is a brilliant actor.
	I kind of respect it, though.
	Nice.
	Honoring your youth.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Timmy is my 12-year-old expression, dude.
	Timmy's a brilliant actor.
	I'm sure he's going to be a completely believable as me or a younger me or some other me.
	The film's taken from Elijah Wald's Dylan Goes Electric, a book that came out in 2015.
	It's a fantastic retelling of events from the early 60s that led up to the fiasco at Newport.
	After you've seen the movie, read the book.
	Oh, it's nice.
	Super sweet.
	No, nothing.
	I never got the chance to talk to him.
	Yeah, I like that you pointed that Timmy.
	I tried, you know, when I was 19, 20, I was, you know, I was evolving into Timothy.
	Shed some letters.
	Add some letters.
	Add some letters from Timmy to Timothy.
	Yeah, I thought you were going Tim.
	Sorry.
	Tim would be.
	You're going Timothy.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Tim, like I said.
	You went from Timmy to Timothy.
	Yeah, 40s, 50s, couple ex-wives.
	Then you go Tim.
	Then you go Tim.
	You know, I'm like, you know, like mowing my lawn all day.
	Yeah, hey, Tim.
	Exactly.
	Missed a spot.
	Missed a spot.
	Yeah.
	You're like, oh, there's a bird's nest there.
	Calm down.
	Sort of a disgruntled expression on my face watching my kids sports games because they're not playing to the level that I would have.
	Gotta swim meet, too.
	Swim meets worse because you can't even talk to the person next to you because it echoes so much in the room.
	I've never been to a swim meet in my life.
	Even if you whisper a little that people hear it.
	It travels.
	It travels.
	Oh, you cannot gossip.
	How many swim meets?
	Do you go to Lipscomb College swim meets?
	I mean, I don't go to the, Yeah, I've been at some.
	You gotta be careful, dude.
	Yeah, I do.
	You're right.
	And it is, and I definitely watch from my car with binoculars.
	So it's not too creepy.
	It's normal.
	It's totally normal.
	So the fact you've been doing it since your early 20s means that, you know, it's cool.
	Got a grandfather that is.
	Your grandfather, right?
	That guy's not a pedophile.
	He's an artist.
	He's an artist.
	And this show happened.
	You know, this show sprouted in this period of you doing that.
	So how can you fault the process?
	The crucial pudding.
	Yeah.
	How do you expect him not to rehearse his own life?
	But yeah, you can't, that's the thing.
	You just can't gossip at a swim meet, man.
	What are you talking about?
	I don't know.
	I've never been to a swim meet.
	You know, that's a very non, you know, like there's four pools in New York City.
	Oh, yeah.
	You know what I mean?
	Yeah.
	We don't have swim meets, but we have dice in the alleys, like you were saying before.
	No, I'm kidding.
	But, you know, I was somebody to say the other day, like, my high school, they wouldn't let us out for lunch.
	Would they let you out for lunch or no?
	Oh, yeah.
	You could do whatever you wanted at lunch.
	They didn't let us out.
	I feel like my skin tone from when I went into high school, by the time I got out, I looked sickly.
	I haven't recovered.
	Oh, it got very, you got kind of like, yeah, very.
	Anemic.
	Yep, anemic.
	I'm sure.
	What else is it called?
	Kind of Boo-Radley-esque.
	Exactly.
	yeah because they should give you at least an hour in the sun they give it to inmates yeah and just because I'm learning social studies I don't get it I don't get it exactly and then I'd be in the basement doing just acting all day just because I'm learning fucking Voltaire I don't get 40 minutes in 40 minutes in the sun raisin got in the sun oh hey I don't hey that's a good point right there man Denzel Washington I will accept that I will accept that I heard you're a big play guy really no oh thanks I was like God I don't want that going around hey man that would listen that's
	the subversive no one would no one would expect it that's that's very low-key dude um is there a theater in Nashville yes gotta be there is a theater program that's a good question I grew up in Louisiana we didn't we had some theater we just did like did you ever do theater growing up yeah I did I did well it was just called drama club or whatever and it was a lot of people who was it was a lot of people I think that were wanted to be actors and then a lot of people that just were kind of like the outsiders yeah outsiders yeah I went to the high school as the opposite the drama kids were the cool kids yeah and the and the basketball kids were like there's like four of them that's
	got to be interesting because a lot of people don't get that opportunity no it skewed my perception of the real world because then I got to Columbia and I was like oh shit the value system is totally different you know but actually in a serious way kind of motivated me to go pursue my acting even harder but did you ever think about acting or you're like what's the exchange rate on this Hamlet scene no exactly exactly exactly uh yeah I did just some stuff at school but I would always mess it up like we did like Sherlock Holmes or something and I was like Watson or whatever his buddy or whatever it's like his man crush whatever and
	our our guy was very like progressive so he tried to make it there to be like this small like lovers scene or or just like some ambiance between Sherlock and Watts and they were like you didn't go for it I don't know if I went for it or not I was like 13 you gotta be bold you gotta be volunteer you would have earned the respect of all your classmates or actually I don't know where you're from maybe either way but um but yeah there was this definitely kind of romantic where they're looking for the clues and they're kind of finding each other that's what the guy said and I was like this seems like insane but you didn't do it well
	I tried my best but then I remember I got the first night I got out there on stage I took on this Latino accent for some reason that's a strong choice man it's almost like nobody knew it was coming perfect and I was like what's up Holmes you know yeah yeah yeah yeah and then so yeah that was just and that's when I realized it was tough for me to be in some ensemble things I just wanted to be by myself you know like that kind of thing you found this sort of format right yeah would you do would you do a movie uh uh if it came came your way um if I've got to make it yeah myself okay all right you went you don't want to be sliding into something I
	don't think so I just am super protective about myself for some reason which may seem kind of weird I don't know for some reason for some reason you had me on no a good choice dude yeah um who so in New York when you were a kid like who was your best friend best friend growing up nobody was pursuing acting dude oh you really I was born I was bred at Warner Brothers Studios in a in a little embryo fluid it was just like that yeah no man you know probably Brett Goldstein you know like a kid in your building
	or something no he was a kid on the upper west side that my older sister was friends with with his older sister Brenna and just I think they still live there Greg and Bess those are his parents and Brett you know that was my whole friend group then they all my whole friend group went to this school called computer school and then I went to a school called Booker T Washington so I lost my I lost my friend group there but um and you have a roommate now no you don't thank God man that's like more than that sorry no I mean but fucking that's more than anything that's what Jesuit Nick says on Netflix he says you really made it
	when you don't have a roommate anymore oh yeah in life you know yeah yeah well yeah I think in well especially in New York because it's so expensive in other places some people get a roommate because they just get maybe lonesome or whatever do you do you have a roommate I don't have a roommate you know I would like to get one or I'd like to get a wife maybe this year where where next year how do you go 2025 that's what I'm calling how do you go about that I think getting out there and meeting people do you have friends that you trust um that you would trust like to set you up some but
	sometimes you're shocked at who they'll set you up with really like you're insulted I mean you're just like well we must think you think differently of me about you how so give me an example uh just like no names but just somebody put me all with like a you know just a um a woman that had like you know any way I say this I lose here okay all right no sense just people that there was no how do you do this format like you're never nervous that people are gonna watch that you're that you're talking about yeah but I just make sure that I just try
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	Do you, when you go into a role like this, do you start to think like, so a lot of younger people will think that you're Bob Dylan.
	You almost become, you almost take a piece of the person's existence in a strange way.
	Does that make any sense to you?
	Yeah, man.
	Yes and no, you know, because I've become such a fan of his that it's not like I feel like I'm a blemish on the legacy, but I don't know not at all.
	That's not what I mean.
	No, not that.
	Some people are going to think you are Bob.
	They're going to think that when they think of him in the future, your face will come to me.
	I'm just saying that even if I have like, you know, a healthy amount of self-respect, it's never going to come close to who he is.
	So I like the idea that I could be a bridge.
	But like I had a buddy that said the Johnny Cash movie, Joaquin Phoenix, who is the same director, walked the line.
	He said, you know, I actually like Joaquin's versions of Johnny Cash's songs better than Johnny Cash's song.
	But I never wanted to, sincerely, I don't want that to happen here because, and I wanted to protect against it because Bob's got this raw voice.
	He's got this like iron voice.
	And I never wanted these songs to be sort of like more gentle than his songs, you know, and had to fight against that because the recordings we made, a lot of them were super, it's hard, man.
	He was playing on a beat up guitar with shitty recorders.
	He had a bronchitis in his early 20s.
	His voice was all fucked up.
	And I didn't want it to be like watered down, you know, because he very purposefully was, he liked Jack Kerouac and Moriarty.
	He, you know, a lot of the books I read said he didn't have great hygiene or stuff like that.
	So I didn't want the movie to be watered down all of a sudden.
	But you wanted to honor him as much as you could.
	Yeah, exactly.
	But also without being him as much.
	Yeah, not through this Hollywood version, basically.
	Right.
	Because these biopics is a fine line, man.
	And I've never done anything like this.
	I usually play a role.
	Actually, Wonka you did, kind of.
	Yeah, Wonka.
	I did it.
	Yeah.
	But that's maybe not real.
	No, but it's.
	Yeah, thank God.
	Well, don't tell the children.
	Thank God.
	Thank God.
	No.
	But Larry, also, you know, probably have to get psychiatric help.
	But no, but and there's a certain pressure with that Wonka too.
	People are like very protective of characters they love.
	You know, they don't want, and there's sort of like a cynicism about Hollywood, you know, about like why they keep revisiting.
	The Wonka thing I felt was justified because it's a new story.
	We weren't doing Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.
	We were doing sort of an origin.
	And by the way, I don't know if you've seen Wonka.
	Have you?
	Yeah, which one have I seen?
	Yeah, I've seen all of them.
	You watched it while you were in the car spying on the lips college.
	You had it playing on the audio.
	First of all, if you've never seen the Wonka movie, you just listen to the audio.
	That's a little bit.
	That's already weird, too.
	It's kind of a, yeah.
	Yeah.
	It's interesting.
	We hit Stevie Wonder at the movie last night.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah.
	Interesting bridge right there.
	That was the same thing, man.
	I was like, just, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	No disrespect, but I was just like, no, the godfather of surround sound, basically.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's what I heard.
	The premiere was pretty interesting.
	So last night was your premiere.
	It was premiere in LA, man.
	It was great.
	Oh, dude, thanks for coming the day after your premiere because that was a little late.
	I apologize, man.
	Were you guys up late?
	We were up late, and I basically, I shot this movie Marty Supreme all the fall.
	These crazy directors, you know, or crazy director Josh Saff.
	you ever see Uncut Gems?
	Oh, yeah, so good.
	That director.
	So it's kind of that energy, that chaotic thing.
	So it wasn't like a low energy shoot.
	This was like 16-hour days for three months.
	Then I went right into this.
	So I haven't been like drinking at all.
	Not that I've ever really had a problem with it, but just, you know, because these days, and I actually find my mind is so much sharper.
	I'm amazed I haven't gotten sick through this whole last couple months, but last night I didn't have a couple drinks.
	I'm kind of fried today, man.
	Yeah.
	I'm sorry, my voice is a little.
	No, you got to celebrate.
	Did you have to get up and make a speech?
	What's it like at something like that?
	I, oh, man, great question.
	It's like.
	Oh, here we are.
	Oh, man.
	I don't do the, I call it instant nostalgia, you know?
	Oh, seeing these pictures like that?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I mean.
	It's kind of bizarre, isn't it?
	Yeah, it's kind of bizarre, man.
	This is good because this is, I'll say this.
	It's a great cast and a great, a great director.
	So we all have fun.
	Edward Norton, man.
	Edward Norton should come on this podcast, man.
	He's a legend.
	Absolute legend.
	Oh, yeah.
	He's a super legend.
	Yeah, he was in the.
	He was in the Ever C Rounders?
	Yeah.
	Do you play Texas Holden?
	Yeah, I play it sometimes.
	He's good.
	And both of the actresses were great.
	The ladies in it.
	Oh, and his wife was in it.
	What's her name?
	Erico.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, they got a beautiful group of ladies in there and men, too.
	Yeah, look at Boyd Holbrook, man, with the blue suit on.
	Oh.
	That's a handsome man.
	Is he real handsome?
	Yeah, he's a stud.
	Well, dude, you're kind of a handsome dude.
	Like a lot of people.
	You are, man.
	Look at the people.
	I've seen so many people.
	Calm down, brother.
	I've seen so many people ape your haircut.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah, there's a lot of freaking thieves out there.
	Have you had it?
	This haircut I've had for probably...
	It's a little dicey today.
	I've had it for probably, Oh, no way.
	So this goes back.
	Oh, yeah.
	And then I tried to blend in, like whenever I moved to Hollywood and stuff, and it didn't work for me.
	And so then I tried to blend out.
	Oh, so you started in LA before Nashville?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I lived out here for 12 years.
	I was doing stand-up comedy here.
	This is where I started doing stand-up comedy.
	Oh, yeah.
	We're at the comedy store and stuff like that?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Comedy store.
	It was awesome, man.
	I really enjoyed it.
	And a whole like sort of generation of comedians came out there then, huh?
	Yeah, and that was like, yeah, all types.
	They had like Chris Dalia, Tom Segura.
	Is that a bigger comedy base here than New York, you think?
	That's a good question.
	You know what's so funny?
	They're totally different from each other.
	And some people in one don't even know the people in the other.
	Because the audience is different, you think?
	It's just a total different group of people.
	Like you go there, and it's almost like it feels like you just start all over.
	It's just a total different.
	Like I'll go into a club there and it feels like a whole different thing.
	I'm walking into a club for the first time.
	In New York, you don't think you get the love you get out here?
	I think you'll get a lot of respect, but you just feel that way.
	It's not your territory, you know?
	Right, right, right, right.
	And you want to give respect to the guys that that's their grounds that they walk on every Tuesday.
	Interesting, interesting.
	Because that's where they live.
	Like if somebody came out and was like being real flashy, but they're not in your kind of club here, it would be the same way, I think.
	Interesting.
	So there's a lot of code of conduct.
	Would you ever do Saturday Night Live?
	I don't know, man.
	You know, it's so funny.
	I went and saw it recently.
	It's crazy, right?
	It's a crazy setup.
	It is crazy.
	You did it?
	Yeah, I've done it twice.
	Oh, you have a super dialed in, right?
	I should have known that.
	Oh, yeah, dude.
	Oh, yeah.
	I went with Chris Farley's brother.
	It was the first time that he'd been back to go to SNL since his brother was on this, since he'd went with him.
	So it was pretty cool.
	What was that like for him?
	He was, dude, he told so many great stories.
	I wish they'd have put him out on stage.
	I was like, have him go out there.
	Right.
	Tell his stories.
	It was just classic, man.
	But I went to watch Bill Burr.
	I'm a big Bill Burr fan, so I went to watch him.
	Did you see the last Sandler special on Netflix?
	McGee performed that night, too.
	That was sick.
	That was dope.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	And then there we are right there with Chris Farley's brother.
	I thought that was McGee.
	Dude, you look like you're 23, man.
	It's true.
	I look like your hair cut or not.
	HGH.
	No, no, no.
	I got to get some HGH.
	Do you work out?
	Yeah, I do work out, dude.
	Yeah, I do.
	God.
	Yeah, I went today, I mean, that's what I mean.
	But yeah, once.
	Works out once.
	What else do I want to know about this film?
	So you didn't hear anything from Bob.
	What about like his wife or his kid or something?
	No, his kids, you know, almost towards the start, Monica, who plays Joan Baez in the movie, she was in touch with Joan the whole time.
	And I thought about reaching out to his kids.
	But the thing is, when somebody gets revered like Bob at some point, he becomes this legend, you know, people can sanitize the past.
	What do you mean by that when you say that?
	They could present the best version of someone, you know, and not present their flaws.
	You know, even a lot of the documentaries about Bob, they just paint him as a genius.
	There's one documentary called Don't Look Back, this D.A. Pennybaker one, where you actually see him raw.
	It just captures his behavior.
	And it was sort of right before he got too famous where he turned his back, you know, on letting himself be filmed.
	And so that was like the biggest help for me.
	And I thought about talking to his kids or his grandkids.
	But actually, I was at the University of Minnesota like three days ago.
	We're doing a sort of a screening for the students there.
	And then someone said, this is Milo Dylan.
	This is his grandnephew.
	And he kind of looked like Bob.
	And he said, can we get a picture?
	And then he put his finger out and he said, you phase?
	And then I said, well, like the FaZe clan?
	Like the video game?
	He said, no, never mind.
	So the new Dylan, so even all the Dylans are unique.
	Yeah, I don't know what that means.
	Euphaze or.
	You phase with the finger like that?
	I don't know.
	I mean, I know FaZe Banks.
	I don't know a lot of the FaZe guys.
	I know the one of them gave CPR to sketch one night or something when he wasn't doing good.
	Whoa.
	But anyway, shouldn't have said that out loud.
	Who's sketched?
	I don't know who sketches.
	What's up, brother?
	That guy.
	Did you see him?
	No.
	Oh, my gosh.
	Wow.
	It's crazy how different worlds are so different, dude.
	Sketch him.
	No.
	Oh, my God.
	No.
	Oh, oh, yes, I have.
	I have.
	I have.
	Yeah, yeah.
	What's up, brother?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	He's been on this.
	Oh, yeah, he's been on this.
	He's a great figure.
	He is so creative.
	He has one of the most creative minds I've been around.
	Just like he has his own pentameter of making jokes and stuff.
	It's pretty fast.
	Is he a stand-up?
	Nope, he's not a stand-up.
	I think there's this new thing that goes on now, whereas if somebody's, it's interesting what's going to happen with stand-up because stand-up has been this thing that people always go practice and then they go do.
	But now a lot of people build so much traction from social media.
	Yeah, that they pop up like that.
	Right.
	So then, how do you, but then how do you take that and perform it?
	Is there a performance element?
	It's a whole different thing.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Because some people on their podcast are great, and the stand-up is different, right?
	Yeah, it's different.
	Do you feel like stand-ups in a golden era?
	I feel like it's like boxing.
	I feel like now I feel like Netflix kind of made it, you know, sexy again in some way.
	Yeah, I think, well, the news got like very all the same, I feel like.
	And it got very, what a lot of people believe may be commandeered by advertising in a way.
	Right, right, right, right, right.
	Some of that happens.
	It's capitalism.
	So I think podcasting was just this like.
	Became this open format.
	Yes.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Where it was like, okay.
	Also, you know that you're really resonating in some way.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	Because it's not dollars that, or it's not like.
	Well, especially in the beginning for the first like four or five years, you're not really making any money.
	So it's like you're just doing your best.
	You're just keeping it.
	And then at a certain point, like people will say, well, if you're not going to let me say what I want, then get your advertising off of my network.
	Yeah, but that's a risk, man.
	It's not a risk dollars-wise, right?
	Oh, it's a risk dollars-wise, yeah.
	I mean, Dana White was on here one time, and one of our episodes got pulled down because of we had Bobby Kennedy on this, a political friend, a buddy of mine, but who also ended up going into politics.
	But they didn't want to be associated with it or whatever.
	And anyway, Dana was on, and he said, who called and said they, and we were like, it was this Kellogg's.
	It was biking company or something.
	No, it was like a Proton or whatever it's called.
	Peloton.
	Interesting.
	And the next thing you know, people all across the country were throwing Pelotons into the Boston River.
	Well, they give you heart attacks, too.
	Do they really?
	Oh, well, that's not going to help them.
	No, no, based on that, Sex in the City.
	You know, Mr. Biggs.
	That's how he died.
	Did you see that?
	You see that he died on the Peloton in the episode.
	He dies in the episode.
	And then their stock crashed because people thought it was killing it.
	And they obviously had to sign off on that.
	I guess.
	That wouldn't be good idea.
	That's a real thing, right, Mr. Biggs, I think.
	Can we see?
	Anyway.
	Oh, there he is.
	Oh, yeah.
	That's what happens when you.
	He married Samantha, huh?
	I don't know about this show.
	Yeah.
	What else is I going to think about?
	Oh, when you think about it.
	So I just want to make sure that we get a lot about this film and what I thought that was.
	Yeah, what did you like about it?
	And you don't have to like the movie, but did you know anything about Bob Dylan before or no?
	Nope.
	Well, yeah, I know some of his music.
	Your parents, or your mom listened to it?
	Oh, yeah.
	My mom listened to it.
	This kid I grew up with, he would play it in his room every night.
	He had the harmonic and everything.
	He was a big Bob Dylan fan.
	My friend Ty, who I used to live with, who, yeah, I mean, Bob Dylan was the first mumble rapper.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	No, man, absolutely.
	Yeah, whining with a back.
	Absolutely.
	Everybody's like, you know, thinking that it was some of these other guys, like Uzi Vert or maybe Kodak Black.
	He's just a mumbler.
	I mean, at a certain point, can we just say that?
	He's great.
	Yeah.
	He was a mumbler.
	I mean, at some point he enunciated better.
	Yeah.
	But definitely early on.
	Yeah, it's got a little rocky.
	I feel like it's gotten rocky reefs.
	Which is cool, man.
	He might be going through some stuff, too.
	Who knows?
	Sometimes it's so hard to know, you know, what people are doing.
	Well, he definitely keeps it behind the screen.
	We don't know what's going on.
	I probably said more in this interview than he said his whole life.
	It's mythical.
	I probably do.
	That'd be great if we had a word.
	It's like a word counter for you and Kodak.
	Yeah.
	You're like, there's miles ahead of us.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Literally.
	Dude, you could sneeze and be like seven words ahead of him.
	I feel like you said it.
	You said it.
	What about some other...
	Did you have any issues with that or how did you guys learn it?
	Not really.
	I mean, I had five years to work on it.
	So I took guitar lessons with a great.
	Wait, you had five years to work on this.
	Wait, because you auditioned for it over a long period of time.
	Well, 2018, we were supposed to do it summer of 2020.
	Then the pandemic hit.
	Then I just kept working on it, kept working on it.
	I was supposed to do it the summer of 2023.
	Then the strike hit, which is when I was coach still getting in trouble for doing my, you know, getting rid of my lisp.
	I'm just kidding.
	Oh, when you were meeting with that guy in the dark alleys to freaking keeping your tongue down when you say certain vowels.
	Down with the palace.
	Hey, man, you know.
	Do you work, you know?
	Years ago, I went to a voice.
	You know, actually talk like this.
	Yeah.
	Your voice is actually super high.
	When I walked in here today, Theo's voice was super high.
	I'm a Disney character.
	And he kept doing this weird thing.
	He'd rock back and forth.
	Oh, boy.
	So he welcomed me.
	He insisted that I jump on his back and get brought in here.
	And he put me on the couch.
	Then he assumed the character we all know, that is Theo Vaughn.
	I actually wanted him to jump on my front, dude.
	When people do front side piggybacks, that's kind of a...
	And that's when I quit playing tennis in junior high school, I'll tell you.
	But listen, you got to be strong enough to do that.
	That's a good point.
	I could probably do it to you.
	I'm getting you out your comfort zone, man.
	You cannot do a front-side piggyback with me.
	When we finish this, you know, I'm jumping on the front.
	And anybody that can draw a picture of Timothy and me involved in front-side piggybacking, let me know.
	I'll buy it from you and we'll donate $1,000 to a charity of your choice.
	And, you know, can I FU you after this?
	Like a little John Cena thing?
	Just for promo, just for promo.
	Yes, clicks.
	I'll do it on this.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And you land on that.
	Just lay somebody.
	Just lay.
	No, I'm going to be like that.
	No, and then I'll suplex you on.
	I'm right through there.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, I think we should get that.
	Yeah.
	It's that time of year, man.
	It's a holiday.
	Come on, it's the holidays.
	You know, this is the holidays in America in 2024.
	Yeah.
	Are you a big holidays guy?
	You know what?
	I think it does remind me a little bit to slow down kind of, you know, which is nice because life gets going pretty fast a lot of times.
	Do you think you're more elfish or Santa?
	Oh, it's a good question.
	Oh, I wish I could be a little more Santa.
	Do you think you're so?
	I'm more of like, sometimes a little more Mrs. Clause.
	Like, I'll start bitching about a lot of shit.
	About nothing.
	Yeah.
	About nothing.
	I'll just get a latchated.
	But I just got to slow down.
	It's just been like a long year.
	Yeah, you've been busy.
	What are you going to do for you to go away or anything?
	Yeah, I'm going to go to Louisiana and see some family.
	Then I might try to take a vacation for a few days.
	We'll see.
	Go to Baton Rouge?
	Yeah, my family lives right down there.
	So what about you?
	I'm going to be here because I've been all over the place.
	I'm going to New York tonight.
	Then I'll go to London and then do all this promo for the movie.
	Oh, you have to promote for this movie for how long does this promo take?
	Well, it's coming out on Christmas, so I'm going every day, you know, but I love the movie.
	That's why, that's why, you know, that's why, shit, man, I'm trying to go as hard as possible.
	And, you know, and then fucking come back here and be with my family, be with my new little niece.
	Oh, you got a new niece?
	Yeah, first one?
	First one.
	Let's go, dude.
	That's a crazy one.
	What's her name?
	Can you bring a picture of her?
	Her name?
	I don't even think, I think my sister's kept her offline.
	You know, my sister lives in a sort of like, she's with a group of people in like a forest type thing in France.
	No way, no.
	Near ANSI?
	Yeah, near Nancy, yep.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	In a forest, no, no internet.
	I'm fucked with you.
	I'm sorry, bro.
	I'm sorry.
	No, no.
	Let's check in on your sister.
	You know, let's email her a meal.
	Let's give her a French group on French Groupon.
	But she's no groupons in France, man.
	No group ons in France.
	No groupons and a high property tax.
	They have a high property tax over there?
	Absolutely.
	Beautiful property.
	Beautiful property, and they don't want people just coming and not milling around for 40 bucks a month property tax.
	I'm in that age now where I'll chat GBT like, what are the most attractive low property tax places in America or around the world?
	Oh, yeah.
	One of them was my neighborhood growing up to.
	I remember our property tax was $8 one year.
	My mom paid in cash right out of her purse.
	I was like, where do we live at?
	Where would she give it to?
	The guy that came by.
	Was it a legit guy, you think?
	He looked pretty legit.
	He had all of his buttons on his shit.
	He had a hoodie that said government?
	He had a couple of them.
	She just gave him $8.
	Oh, man.
	Same thing, man.
	I grew up in like a Mitchell Lama.
	You know about Mitchell Lama?
	Oh, yeah, the restaurant stars that were in the middle of the morning.
	No, no, no, no.
	Mitchell Llama is like, there's like two verses.
	To my understanding, there's two versions of good arts housing.
	You got Section 8. That means you're paying under $800.
	Mitchell Llama.
	Yep.
	Oh, that damn Mitchell Llama, brother.
	Absolutely.
	Oh, that's me, baby.
	Moderate.
	Mitchell Llama program provides affordable rental and cooperative housing to moderate and middle-income families.
	You're just talking about Alphabet City, basically.
	Dude, wow.
	So how do you know you know New York, man?
	I like New York.
	I like, I mean, yeah, it's definitely fascinating.
	You ever live there?
	No, I'll just stay there for like maybe three months at the most.
	I would live there.
	If I get a wife and she lives there, I'll stay.
	I'll go live there.
	What's the ideal, you know, what does she look like both inside and out?
	Well, she looks like, probably looks like a nice lady, I think.
	Let me think about the rest of it.
	Probably maybe played volleyball, maybe didn't.
	Maybe likes to be a mom, maybe.
	I don't know, dude.
	She's looking for a lot of people.
	Likes to laugh, has a good sense of humor.
	Okay.
	Because people that laugh get jokes usually.
	You can't unless you're just something's wrong with you and something.
	You just laugh every now and then.
	Right.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	Could she do somersaults?
	Ooh, I hope she can, but I'm not trying to be some kind of pervert or whatever, you know, but I wouldn't mind seeing one every now and then, especially if it's holidays or whatever and she wants to, you know, pop off a damn B handspring or something before everybody cuts into some lackeys or whatever.
	I'm down for it.
	So, yeah, I think I'm open to a lot of different things at that point.
	Yeah, like handstands and shit?
	I mean, okay, I don't know what you're going to get here.
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	So yeah, so I think, yeah, it's like, I just don't, you know, I think more will be revealed about who the lady could be, but I'm also just being more open to it.
	You know, it's like, you got to be open to that to get a wife, to be like, oh, I'm going to get a, you know, I'm going to have a wife and be with the wife.
	Yeah.
	You got to be open to it, brother.
	Yeah, you got to set the, you got to set your life up.
	Yeah.
	And how are you going to get divorced if you don't get married?
	You know what I mean?
	Absolutely.
	And those are two crucial chapters of life.
	Is your home, you know, wifeable?
	Not current.
	Is there like shit everywhere when you walk out?
	No.
	No, mom's organizing.
	I got my tree up right now.
	Nice.
	You got a tree.
	I got a box of gifts.
	There's a lady that I don't even know who has sent me a box of Christmas ornaments for the past four years.
	Sweet.
	It comes every year.
	I put them up on the tree.
	You got a little mic and a camera in there.
	There's the.
	Yeah.
	She's just.
	Bro, that's such a good idea.
	Yeah.
	And she's just watching you watch every Christmas.
	It's called it's a murder movie.
	It's a murder.
	Yeah.
	Or it's just some movie about somebody who used to love somebody and they're watching their family now.
	And they send them this random box and people put it on their tree.
	They don't know.
	Yeah.
	And it has a camera in it.
	And they have the camera in it.
	Yo.
	Write it, baby.
	I'm not going to.
	That's it.
	What do you watch on Christmas?
	I watch.
	What would the cameras see you doing?
	Well, we're supposed to do Christmas caroling this year with a couple fellas from the gym, actually.
	And so we're supposed to practice on Friday.
	And we just hired a cool brother over there in Nashville to help us learn some of the lyrics.
	You say brothers, too.
	I love how you say that, man.
	Oh, yeah.
	We're excited about it.
	There's all brothers going, so you got to respect the culture, man.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Oh, man.
	But yeah.
	And then what are we going to go?
	Oh, I watched Family Man.
	Have you ever seen that one?
	No, I've never seen Family Man.
	With Nicholas Cage.
	Nicholas Cage.
	It's a great movie.
	One of the greats.
	Have you ever met him?
	No, man.
	But Match Stick Men is one of my favorite movies ever.
	Yeah.
	You know, Nicholas Cage, man.
	But yeah, I'd like to get a wife, maybe.
	What about there's kind of a love triangle in the movie?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So the women's Joan Baez.
	Joan Baez and Sylvie Russo.
	Is Sylvie Russo, was she an artist?
	I couldn't tell.
	She was never really famous.
	So that was one of his big script notes.
	He said, change that name.
	And, you know, just I think he felt protective over her legacy in some way.
	And so he had some notes about the script.
	Yeah, exactly.
	The love triangle is sort of one of the big, you know, like we do these Q ⁇ As for the movie now and people say, was Bob, was his behavior towards the people that he was in a relationship with in his life?
	You know, it's definitely complicated.
	But my answer is always he was focused on his art first and foremost.
	Also, this movie's about people in their early 20s.
	You don't really have life figured out, especially in relationship then.
	Stuff is a mess at that age.
	So he was kind of between these two women in the movie.
	And Joan Baez is a musician and artist, ambitious the way Bob would have been.
	And Sylvie's really the more grounded character.
	I think what El Fanny does in the movie is incredible.
	You kind of see the movie through her eyes because she's not one of these famous musicians.
	She's really just a real person and is deeply affected.
	Yeah, she was very affected by Dylan and her character was.
	That was interesting to see.
	Yeah.
	And that was our theory.
	I never talked about Dylan, but I feel like that's why I think he's still fond of that relationship in private about it because if maybe the rest of his life could be confusing.
	I don't want to speak for him, but confusing about who's being genuine with me and who's not.
	She was always the clear day one.
	Clear candidate.
	Yeah.
	Wow, that's interesting.
	Yeah.
	I found like when I was watching it, yeah, you're kind of rooting.
	It's weird because who you're rooting for changes almost from scene to scene in the movie.
	Yeah.
	You know?
	Yeah, no one's like a great besides El Fanning, everyone comes off a little real.
	Yeah, hopefully.
	Yeah.
	Flawed, but like in a human way.
	Flawed in a human way and a little, especially in your early 20s, man, you're trying to figure out your life.
	Oh, dude, they don't even.
	Yeah.
	Were you a Saint in your early 20s?
	Dude, no, I was.
	I mean, I was a Saints fan.
	I'm a New Orleans Saints fan, but I was not.
	You're out there.
	You're at the game.
	I mean, I had on maybe a, you know, I might have had on a Drew Brees jersey.
	Drew Brees jersey on your 16th Miller Light.
	Dude, yeah.
	But no, yeah, it's like, yeah, how do you even start to get things figured out?
	But that's one thing that I liked about it.
	I like seeing the different, and I like that there was like, okay, what's this relationship like over here going to happen?
	What's this relationship like over here going to happen?
	And then just seeing like, I did get a better idea of like, oh, okay, Bob Dylan was just kind of like affected dude that he kind of was maybe better than he thought he was or he was actually so great and they tried to manipulate him.
	It was just all so confusing, you know, like, and I think it was confusing to him.
	And it was like, exactly.
	It was just a lot going on.
	And he seemed like a unique person and probably like a secretly sensitive guy.
	And so for all those things to happen, you know, so quick to him and then from him to try to figure it out and navigate what was real, I don't know.
	Man, exactly.
	And that's something I could relate to, not in the relationships necessarily in my life, but you feel like your career gets going.
	I don't know how you feel about that.
	And you want to protect your energy and but you still want to have close friendships and relationships.
	But at first, it's very, it's a hard thing to navigate, particularly if you want to keep writing.
	You keep wanting like Bob Dylan, you know.
	And like you said, he was genuinely great at it.
	He had a gift from God at that point in his career.
	He said it in an Ed Bradley interview in 2004.
	He's like, I feel like God was writing through me.
	And he says in the interview, I can't do it anymore.
	He almost says it like Melanie.
	He misses it?
	Like he misses it.
	Yeah, it's a beautiful moment in this Ed Bradley interview.
	He just he says like, I can't do it anymore.
	I don't know how those words were coming to me.
	wow and i feel like musicians even more than actors i feel like an actor like into your 30s and 40s and 50s as your face ages you can keep doing great work right and the grab the gravitas of your life lives on your face you know what i mean right so the more you learn in life the more abilities you gotta have yeah and the more trauma you go through whatever and i feel like as a musician you can still do it still do great but it's really like a young man's game yeah you know yeah because you have to do all that touring and stuff as well it beats you up for you the movie kind of tours for you exactly you know i love you know it's funny we do these q
	a's so i get the backstage experience like holy shit i'm coming out man like they're gonna say my name out loud i'm all excited and i come out and then as opposed to a rock star i fucking sit in a chair oh yeah and i answer watch this and i sit down and i try to give poised answers and just make sure your posture is okay the whole time dude it's humiliating posture rocking in the house tonight that is so hard to deal with because i'll be backstage and it's like you hear the crowd like timothy shaman yeah and then i fucking take my seat yeah and then i'm poised and you're like oh let's go
	down and i sit down dude it's humiliating it's like it's very anti uh i don't know what the word is but somebody else probably knows it but yeah i don't know it but um yeah dude i you know what though i think it was i do think that it was interesting if you frame it up like this is what it is it's a it's a it's a mom it's a few years in a man's life that was a very interesting man who's probably written so many songs that some young people don't even know that he wrote yeah exactly i was listening and i was like no way he wrote that and like um just some relationships that he had with other artists
	that you may not even know about and sort of the first guy for me in american pop culture that said i'm gonna do whatever the fuck i want and that's his point yeah and that was like sort of blasphemous like every artist through the last 30 40 50 years that uh a lot of whom you can't shout out because they they've basically they've basically burned so many bridges but um bob dylan was the first he just wouldn't take no for an answer he just was fired up about his art and i hope it doesn't sound a deception no i don't think it sounds like anything yeah but it doesn't sound corny because he really didn't give a fuck and it's uh that to me was really refreshing to work
	on you know now we live in a time where it's not only not only is it hard to be rebellious about your art but it's as much about the coliseum's reaction you know you think about a clip you like online or or uh something you like or don't like the first thing you do is you go to the comments it's as much about how people are reacting you know what i'm saying as it is about the the actual thing right so in some ways it's harder it's kind of harder now because not only do you have to manage what you present but you have to manage also how what i don't know or you gotta no no but yeah i was just trying to say and also to avoid that that's kind of what i'm
	doing these days man i'm just you just gotta like you have to bury your head so far even like the pictures from the premiere i'm just like you know i just try to put the shutters on because it's not healthy man you know oh looking at all your stuff and looking at yeah you know it's weird no it's weird and then you know you're not supposed to do it no we're supposed to be you know like gathering nuts and berries no that's not like i'm not they had that first guy narcissus or whatever looked in the river and saw himself yeah exactly and then he's like hey where are the ladies at or whatever and you're like whoa dude what are you talking about dude you're not
	even that good looking yeah kill a rabbit dude we yeah we are our tribe needs to eat make a salad bro yeah we got yeah we got people to feed we have 17 people and our our elder is suffering like you're over here like trying to start clair clerol or whatever yeah exactly fucking working on your you know um yeah it's like just a bunch of dior moisturizer talking about lip filler to everybody like what are you even talking about dude it's 300 bc what does that even mean stop working on your raya profile and help us with the fire we need
	to put out in the forest you narcissistic prick yeah dude what are you talking about i have no clue no clue um what about other um because you can only do so many biopics too yeah yeah that's kind of weird so you kind of you burned a biopic i burned a biopic is a biopic we don't know i don't know i burned a biopic and i gotta go back in three months and i gotta check if it's still there and um no you're right i can only do so many especially like music ones i'll be honest what are some other ones you think i have a couple oh
	ideas no you go first okay like that i could do or you could do i don't know if i keep talking people why do you sit with him and just talk the whole time so we gotta get you to say something no i mean well i'm trying to think of ones you could do um you could do um i know i could do maybe you could do a brad pick biopic you know what i'm saying put a little bit right there come on put a little sprinkle on it put a little sprinkle on it no maybe if like uh maybe if brad pick like was stranded somewhere like you know maybe like a hitchhike or
	something no but you could um you could do would you ever do mabu you think little mabu oh my god dude that is funny that's an alternate time i'm him in an alternate timeline oh yeah because you know i used to i used to well you know there's two ways you could have gone that's what we like to say a lot of times yeah that's me in an alternate timeline i love him bro i don't know enough about him i know he's from new york though you're right you know it's a great point i don't know if i like him he could be a dirt ball but i like uh i like some of his energy dude some of his shit is pretty it's very bob dylan man just be who you want to be that's a good point that's that's how i do feel about him it's
	like oh i feel like it's i feel like he's kind of unique he kind of reminds me of like an eminem like when eminem kind of like he reminds me of like how unique eminem was just unique in his time period he just did maybe i'll do a little mabu biopic i don't know what it's about i wonder what the tragedy of his life is that's a good point it could be some crypto failure yeah he launched mabu coin oh you're gonna be so fast dude man bro sorry no dude no i don't know i don't know him i mean he's clearly killing it yeah if he wasn't killing it we weren't talking we wouldn't be talking about him that's a good point oh i think he's just he's he's definitely super entertaining yeah and
	i'm we're just joking around and he started that um conference con uh conservation fund did he really for the for that uh thing i'm sorry i'm sorry bro you're good bro dude you should be a politician dude you're good ah it was acting um but what or that or maybe abraham lincoln's son or whatever that could be abraham lincoln me or you you what about if abraham lincoln's son dave lincoln ridiculous idea it was dave lincoln was it dave lincoln was it really or
	ricky lincoln bring who is his son tad lincoln oh my god yeah oh yeah go to his information let's see him wow that's dude you could be tad lincoln the fourth son of abraham lincoln who was his uh born with a cleft lippin' palate i'll work with tim monic i'll work with tim monic on it you know and hopefully there's no sense Imagine his father gave some of the greatest speeches,
	and here he is, and he has this kind of like a little bit of a like a disfigurement or some impairment.
	And he's like, How do I overcome this?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Just say something as important that my father said.
	Did he ever?
	Did he ever?
	We could change it.
	We could just give him a speech.
	They were considered notorious, him and his brother Willie.
	He was sick a lot.
	He got typhoid.
	A lot of people were getting sick back then.
	Yeah, oh, easily.
	You caught a frisbee that was dirty and you were down for two months.
	He went to see Aladdin and the Wonderful Lamp.
	Oh, wow.
	On April 14th, 1865, Tad went to Grover's Theater to play Aladdin and the Wonderful Lamp while his parents attended the performance of Tom Taylor's play, Our American Cousin at Ford Theater.
	That night, his father was assassinated.
	Wow, so he was at- Yeah, Pa's dead.
	And you finally run up to him as he's and you say something super important.
	Who's playing Abraham Lincoln?
	Huh?
	Who's playing Lincoln?
	I don't know.
	We got to get somebody good.
	Pa's dead.
	I can hardly believe that I should never see him.
	This is some heavy shit.
	After the assassination, Mary Robert and Tad lived together in Chicago.
	Oh, he died at 18, dude.
	I can't.
	Come on.
	Holy shit.
	Tuberculosis.
	This was a waste.
	Floor stage attack.
	This is pneumonia.
	And congestive heart failure.
	You could do it, man.
	Yeah.
	You could do it.
	Yeah, though.
	Age me down a little bit.
	Or Jim Carrey.
	I think I could see you playing a Jim Carrey one day, too.
	I was thinking about that.
	He's brilliant, dude.
	I mean, he's so brilliant.
	Yeah.
	Have you seen his, have you seen his, he went to some fashion event like 2018, 2019?
	You see his red carpet interview.
	It's the biggest not give a fuck interview of all time.
	Yeah, if we have enough time, we should add 20 minutes to this anyway if we can't.
	This is the greatest.
	He looks so dropped into being himself.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	I've covered a lot of fashion weeks.
	This is the first time I've run in to Jim Carrey.
	Wait.
	Is it true you're wandering the streets?
	You need a date to the party?
	What's up?
	No, no, no.
	I'm doing just fine.
	I just, you know, there's no meaning to any of this.
	So I wanted to find the most meaningless thing that I could come to and join.
	And here I am.
	I mean, you got to admit it's completely meaningless.
	Well, they say they're celebrating icons in cybersecurity.
	Boy, that is just the absolute lowest aiming possibility that we could come up with.
	It's like icons.
	Do you believe in icons?
	I don't believe in personalities.
	I don't believe that you exist, but there is a wonderful fragrance in the air.
	You don't believe certain icons.
	I'm trying to be still trying to flirt.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Inspire others, artistry, you're one of them.
	On the good foot, ha!
	He's like, you're invisible, but let's smash.
	Yeah, no, I don't believe in icons.
	That's good, man.
	I don't believe in.
	That would be an interesting guy to play because that's really cool.
	That's a cool scene to play if you could do that.
	Yeah.
	His crazy life.
	Yeah, what his life was like.
	Yeah.
	I mean, he was the biggest, biggest.
	Bigger than anything.
	Bigger than anything, right?
	In the 2000s?
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah.
	And he had a show called In Living Color before that that was like Jamie Foxx was on it.
	Yeah, he was like the only white guy on it.
	Yeah, right?
	It was him.
	Yeah, and they had a.
	Now he's become an artist.
	Yeah, now he's an artist.
	But it's just interesting to get all the art out of your system, you know?
	Because some artists are.
	I think that's kind of what he, I think that's what he feels like.
	I saw an interview with him today, Sonic the Hedgehog.
	They said, why'd you do this?
	He said, for the money.
	What a life.
	Because when Bruce Almighty was coming on, I mean, really, he was like the biggest.
	Oh, yeah.
	Wow.
	What about, do you feel like you have to be like, because you're kind of like the it younger guy in Hollywood?
	For sure, for sure.
	You know?
	But does that feel like, I don't know, and I know it's like, do you, how do you, and a lot of that is a lot of times curtailed by like the industry.
	Like you're, yeah, like, you have a, like, I thought you'd come with like in a tank or something.
	Like you drove over here by yourself.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So definitely kind of, I guess, maybe against what I was thinking, which doesn't mean anything.
	But do you worry about how do you still be yourself and find yourself at a time when you could be so maneuvered by so many bigger?
	Listen, man, not to bring it back to the movie, but that's where Bob Dylan's so influential.
	Oh, this is perfect.
	No, because Bob always followed his path.
	And what's interesting about the movie industry, instead of like as opposed to the music industry, the music industry, you write your own music, you know, and it's direct to the consumer in some sense.
	Like you do whatever the fuck you want.
	And if people are vibing with it, you'll know and whatever.
	In the movie industry, you do kind of have to, you got to be reliable.
	You know, a musician, you show up whenever you want.
	They could be rock stars show up four hours late.
	If you're three hours late to a movie, they got to call insurance.
	You cost a million dollars now.
	You'll never work again.
	So there's a part of the job that's obedient in a sense.
	But the best art and the best shit we see is stuff that, you know, is.
	People showed up for.
	People showed up, but also where they broke rules in a sense.
	You know, I was just talking to you.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah.
	And so it's a fine line.
	And I look at it like this.
	This is my inner Tom Cruise where I want movies to be seen.
	And I don't want to live an unobedient life, but I also want at a time where maybe Hollywood or movie makers got a perception of like sometimes being out of touch or something or definitely like awards type movies.
	I want, especially a movie about Bob Dylan.
	I want in all the movies I work on, that's why I did Dune.
	That's why I did Wonka.
	And I'm proud that those movies, I know I'm not supposed to pat myself on the back, but those movies were big, you know, like in the movie industry or the movie business, brick and mortar theaters, they don't do the business they once did.
	Some of that's inevitable because of streaming, but I want to put my best foot forward.
	You got to give back to the industry that gave to you.
	That's really my M.O. And that's why I'm here.
	Otherwise, that's why you can't be the reclusive figure that Bob Dylan or Daniel Day-Lewis or these guys were.
	It's not about the bottom line, but the attention isn't guaranteed the way it used to be.
	You know what I mean?
	I hope this doesn't sound like too inside baseball.
	I want inside baseball.
	I'll just, you know, you're like a real thinker, you know, so it's not like you're going to give some answer that isn't traveling through your thoughts and you explaining stuff.
	So that's perfect.
	There's no wrong way to answer it.
	It's a weird thing.
	It's like, yeah.
	So not that my life isn't real now, but like obviously on these press stores and stuff, the days are micromanaged in some way.
	But man, here's the thing.
	That's another thing I say.
	Like as a musician or as a pop star or whatever, your music can be about your erosion of humanity.
	Like, it could be about, hey, I'm driving this car and this is the crazy lifestyle I live.
	But if you're an actor, if you lose your sense of humanity, if you lose your stink, for lack of a better word, people will see that on screen.
	You do see it on screen.
	Oh, you seem too fancy.
	You seem out of touch.
	But people are going to know.
	That's why the Safty movie I just did, man, he put me through the ringer.
	Really?
	Oh, yeah.
	I felt like he was testing me early on.
	What does that mean?
	So a director can kind of put you through some fucking stinks.
	He was, yeah, look, Josh knew me since I was 21. Josh Safty?
	Safety.
	I was 21. Uncut Gems, that's that movie, right?
	Yeah, Uncut Gems.
	That's one of the best movies.
	There you go, man.
	And Good Time.
	You know, Good Time with Robert Pattinson.
	He directed, too.
	I haven't seen that.
	I'm seeing Robert Pattenson for after later.
	Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure.
	But, you know, like early on, we had stuff that could have been stunt guys on this movie on Marty Supreme.
	And I saw him wanting me to do it.
	Part of me is like, this feels like a test, you know?
	And I wanted to show him.
	And then now I feel like I've emerged from the other side with no broken bones or whatever, thank God.
	But, and, and Josh, I know I'm supposed to be talking about the Bob Dill movie, but Josh is.
	Okay, it's all you acting.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Josh is the real deal, man.
	Like, and seriously, like, Josh Saffee, he's like the modern day Scorsese.
	I want to meet that guy.
	Oh, dude, you would love him.
	That's him?
	Yeah.
	I would like to meet him.
	Yeah, he could play Abraham Lincoln.
	He could play Abraham Lincoln.
	Can you play Tad Lincoln?
	I could play Tad Lincoln.
	Tell him right now.
	His brother's an actor, Benny.
	You ever see, you said the Nathan Fielder show with Emma Stone on Showtime?
	No?
	Yeah, yeah.
	That's his brother.
	I've seen Nathan Fielder show.
	Yeah.
	Wow, that's cool.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Wow, that must have been awesome, man.
	Because that guy, that uncut gym, is so good.
	I look forward to seeing that.
	Yeah, this is a crazy, crazy fucking movie.
	So directors can do that.
	So sometimes it's like that.
	It's going to be a journey.
	It's going to be a journey.
	Yeah.
	What was the biggest journey through the unknown?
	I just want to get the name of it right now.
	A complete unknown Christmas Day.
	Yeah.
	Leave it like that.
	What was the biggest journey through A Complete Unknown on Christmas Day?
	You know, the biggest Christmas day.
	Just Christmas.
	It's only on Christmas.
	You can see it comes out on Christmas Day.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Biggest journey was the music and the voice.
	And also, I've never had my phone off the entire movie.
	I had three months.
	Yeah, I had three months to play this guy.
	And then the rest of my life, I never get to play him again.
	So I just want, I was, I was locked in.
	Also, you're never supposed to say you're competitive, but I want, you know, there's been a lot of music biopics.
	Yeah.
	And I wanted to do a great fucking job, man.
	I love Bob Dylan.
	I love this artist.
	None of this is for granted.
	This little misconception about actors too in acting.
	You can have a cushy job on a TV show.
	If you don't give a fuck about your work, it could be a great lifestyle, right?
	You're making like high six figures, maybe low seven figures, and you're just showing up what you want.
	If you give a fuck about what you're doing, these are long ass days.
	You know what I mean?
	These are 14-hour days, six days a week sometimes, you know, three months.
	Look, I know people got it way harder, but I want to feel that grit.
	You know, I want to feel it.
	You know, I hope people don't laugh at it.
	I fucking really, I feel like I'm the hardest working man.
	Anyway, maybe I shouldn't say that.
	No, you respect what you do.
	Yeah, because you got to.
	What else is the point?
	I talk about this friends a lot.
	Like, this is too weird a lifestyle to be nonchalant about.
	Yeah.
	Why do this?
	Yeah.
	If you're not going to go as hard as possible.
	Yeah.
	I'm Marty Supreme.
	I'm wearing contacts because he wanted my eyes to be little.
	So he gives me real glasses that fuck my eyes up.
	And I'm wearing contacts underneath to offset what the glasses are doing.
	And my vision was basically fucked up until a day ago.
	Every time I took these glasses off, my vision was skewed.
	Wow.
	You know?
	You like the Forrest Gump of side or whatever?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Right.
	Sort of.
	Dude, Forrest Gump is.
	We had the Forrest Gump ping pong coaches.
	Same.
	Lovely couple in LA, Diego and Wei.
	Been married 40 years.
	Wei is a Chinese ping pong champion.
	Yeah, yeah, from the 80s.
	She pretty cool?
	She was, she's like, we would train.
	Yeah, Wei, Wei Li, there she is.
	There she is.
	Marty Supreme.
	That's my ping pong coach.
	You know, we train for three hours, and then she'd say, let's play for real.
	And she's like, she's probably like 97 pounds.
	She's like 5'1.
	And she's just like, yeah, unbelievable.
	You're not getting a point across.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's beautiful.
	A little bit of that.
	Do you, yeah, did you have to, so your phone was off for that long?
	So you just locked in.
	And what would you do?
	Just go to, do you sleep on set or what do you do?
	What's that like?
	I sleep on set.
	And you know, method acting, that gets like a bad rap.
	People think it's just like a person being a prick and obliging everyone around them to subscribe to a reality that's not real.
	The thing I came up with, I call it, that's just everybody's stepdad as well.
	Yeah, exactly, exactly.
	I need a bear.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Yeah.
	Damn it.
	Give me that goddamn Miller light.
	But I call it method energy because, you know, you'd shit on me too if I'm coming off like a dick.
	But, you know, I just tried to, no cell phones, nothing that reminds you of the present.
	And try to treat it like Bob Dylan as much as possible, especially if you're playing somebody that iconic.
	That was tough, too.
	He didn't feel like an icon when he was himself.
	He was just living his fucking life.
	So you talk to too many people that you got to avoid earworms.
	Somebody putting something in your head that hits the air.
	Yeah.
	That's why Edward Norton, I love him.
	He's great.
	Pizza Go in the movie.
	But he's like, Edward Norton is a little bit his character in the movie Birdman, if you ever saw that.
	He's like a very confident, opinionated actor.
	So I would kind of have to, you know.
	And then he caught me watching Rounders one day.
	Ooh, yeah.
	And then it was over.
	Then he knew he had me.
	That's like, yeah, watching another movie, a movie that's going to be.
	He caught me in the airmaker.
	He's like, oh, you like Rounders?
	And I was like, all right, now we're going to talk.
	Oh, hold me for a second, huh?
	That's a lot.
	I'm still jumping on you at the end of this.
	Get ready.
	As long as it's on the front, brother.
	Yeah, get ready.
	Get ready.
	Calm down, man.
	Get ready.
	Get ready.
	I'll do Hollywood for you.
	I'm getting you out of your comfort zone.
	I've been out of my comfort zone since I was born.
	All right, fair, fair, fair.
	Yeah, I never subscribed to it.
	Or I never got the keys, whatever.
	You know the code they give you in high school to your locker?
	Yeah, you never got that.
	I remember going up to my comfort zone and being like, oh, I don't think this is it.
	Most comfortable you've ever felt in your life?
	Well, that's a great question.
	The most comfortable?
	Like most in your body, no drugs, no alcohol?
	Probably after like a sauna and ice bath type of type of thing.
	Oh, you do ice baths?
	Yeah, yeah.
	I'll get in there, dude.
	Oh, yeah.
	I'll freaking just, I'll lay in a polar bear's ass, brother.
	I like it like that.
	Oh, yeah.
	I like it just brisk, like the, you know, I love that.
	Would you go to the Arctic?
	Oh, yeah, I would go up there.
	Mr. Beast just went up there.
	He went to Antarctica.
	Whoa.
	I don't know what he, but he said it was nothing up there.
	There's not even like, you can't be like, hey, let's go somewhere.
	And like, no, you can't.
	I don't get how that stuff works, man.
	Where does he get?
	Where does he get the money?
	He's just.
	He's just huge, huh?
	I guess he just has a lot of just expendable income to be that guy, you know?
	That's the other thing, like, where I want to be humble about putting movies out there.
	People's attention is elsewhere now.
	It's good.
	Yeah.
	And you got to convince someone to see a complete unknown on Christmas Day and take the $15 or $20, whatever the fuck it is now.
	And instead of watching, you know, Mr. Beast in the Arctic.
	Well, Mr. Beast has a show actually that comes out right before that.
	It's like a week before, but he was just, we're done.
	He was just on here today.
	And it's interesting.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And it's an interesting show.
	Totally different, though.
	But one thing that's great about your movie is that, first of all, you just get, you also just, in addition to whatever's going on with the movie, you get to hear like great music.
	Yeah.
	It's great music.
	Great, great music.
	It's great music.
	You get to remember like Woody Guthrie.
	Who played Woody Guthrie in it?
	Scoot McNary.
	He's amazing.
	Yeah.
	He's amazing.
	You take a picture of him.
	Yeah, Scoot McNary.
	You get to look at him before something happens to him.
	Yeah.
	And he doesn't have a line in the movie.
	He doesn't have a line.
	Because he's so sick.
	Because he's so sick.
	That was pretty awesome.
	Yeah, we had Bernie Sanders on, and he was saying that he said Pete Seeger was one of his favorite movies.
	Scoot McNary could play Bernie Sanders in a biopic.
	Oh, he could.
	Right?
	Yeah.
	Totally could.
	Dude, you could play Ronald Reagan's son, Ricky Reagan, or whatever.
	Is that a real guy?
	Is that a real guy?
	Probably, dude.
	Bernie hasn't aged.
	Nah, Bernie still looks the same.
	He's the best dude.
	He looks the same in the last.
	Yeah.
	He's like a real folk hero.
	Great point.
	Yeah, Bernie is...
	He spoke music.
	Yeah, and you also forget about like what...
	You see the challenge of Bob Dylan to take on music and culture.
	There's this whole other cultural thing that's kind of happening in the background, like on the television and the news during the movie.
	It was a crazy time.
	It was like the, it was the.
	The 60s were a cool time.
	When you get out of it all and it's done.
	I was beat on this one.
	Were you?
	Yeah, I was beat.
	What does that really look like?
	A break?
	Do you go to like a beach?
	No, another thing, another misconception about movies, like as opposed to the academic year, it kind of winds down.
	You're never winding down on a movie.
	You're doing 14-hour days and you go off a cliff, then it's done.
	In other words, you don't relax towards the end.
	We were doing a very important scene and it was done forever.
	And yeah, I guess I relaxed a little bit.
	I went on vacation, but I was beat.
	I was working on this for five years.
	This was as important to me as you going to the parking lot and spying on the swim team of Lipscomb College.
	Nothing to see here.
	Exactly.
	I'm just recruiting, guys.
	Recruiting production assistants.
	Do you think you would have done it more justice five years earlier?
	No, absolutely not.
	Also, because I had the experience in my life where I would do interviews and, you know, it's a scary time to come up with the internet and stuff.
	You know, you want to get it right.
	And Bob Dylan, his early press conferences, he was confrontational.
	He was basically a dick.
	And I thought there was something really inspiring about that.
	Not that I ever wanted to be like that, but I just thought it was so different than how people are now.
	Yeah.
	Where you.
	Right.
	You're just automatically cordial.
	You just assume like, well, you got to be, man.
	A, A, I am, I'm not a big.
	I'm a cordial guy.
	Yeah.
	But B, God forbid, you know, you don't want to be.
	Anyway, so, but he's these early press conferences.
	Oh, you know, if you're tremendously bored and not watching Mr. B stuff, watch the early Bob Dylan San Francisco press conferences.
	You know, and I just thought, so anyway, five years working on it, I got a better sense on the other side of it.
	Oh, this is why he would have carried himself like that.
	You know, he had some wherewithal I didn't have in his early 20s where somebody said, how do you do it?
	He goes, basically, I didn't want to tell anyone.
	You know, me, maybe because whatever, the acting bone.
	Somebody said, how do you do it?
	And you're so desperate for that pat on your back.
	And you go, this is how I did it.
	Yeah.
	I just wonder, yeah, and you get more experience that you can put into something.
	Like you were saying earlier about acting, like you can keep doing it for a long time, you know?
	Exactly.
	Yo, can we hear any Bob?
	Is that a weird thing to ask you, dude?
	Is that lame?
	Like, like live right now?
	I'll try it.
	Go for it.
	Alright.
	It's...
	Hold on.
	Let me try one time.
	Hey, who is there?
	Hold on.
	I got to give it up.
	Get into it, man.
	Get into it.
	Hey, who's at the door?
	That's not it, dude.
	That's horrible.
	That was pretty good.
	You got the nasality down.
	You got the nasality.
	Make up a word.
	You're verbifying things.
	That's what Rob Dylan did.
	Yeah, exactly.
	He just made shit up.
	That was good, man.
	He verified things, didn't he?
	It might have to be.
	What about Chet Baker?
	I would do Chet Baker.
	Chet Baker or Chet Hanks, even.
	You should do that Chet Hanks biopic, dude.
	That would be unbelievable.
	That's a glitch in the system.
	That's all everything is.
	Yeah, everything's a glitch, dude.
	John Von Jovi, it could be anybody.
	Chet has a new country album that's going to come out this year, too, I think.
	Dude, you got to play Chet.
	Also, it'd be a great excuse to get shredded.
	I would just do it for the head.
	Just do it for that.
	They'll send you the best trainers.
	You'll get the HGH.
	I could do it, man.
	I'm trying to think if there's anything else that we want to ask or anything else that you wanted to say, Timothy?
	Ah, man.
	No, just thanks for having me on.
	I'm trying to think.
	I think we kind of covered a lot of anything.
	I think we covered it all, man.
	Yeah.
	I got to water my plants, dude.
	I just got home.
	Wait, do you have a place in LA?
	Yeah, I still have an apartment.
	Oh, you do?
	Is it here?
	Over in Westwood.
	And Westwood, all right, nice.
	I love Westwood.
	And so, yeah, I get my plants.
	I did Diddy Reese.
	And I forget, yeah, I go over there sometimes.
	I'd go walk over there, and sometimes I would go for that, and I would just end up getting a bunch of vapes and just sitting over my car.
	But I, yeah, I would get, I just, sometimes I forget to wash my plant.
	I forget to water my plants, you know?
	And then I get home and it's been like a month or something.
	Your place is ready to be rified, man.
	I know.
	And I'll always water them.
	I'll be like, your mother left us.
	I'll yell shit like that.
	I'll be like, your mother left.
	To who?
	To the plants.
	I'll just make, I'll blame it on their imaginary mother or whatever.
	I'll be, we would have been fine.
	But they're left.
	And I'm just pouring water on it.
	The punishment is the water.
	No, the water is.
	I've given them the water, but they'd have been watered every day if their mother.
	Oh, if their mother hadn't left.
	So you're bringing out the resentment on the plants.
	She left us.
	Anyway, this is the same.
	who's the mother poison ivy it's just it's just a fictional woman it's a fictional woman yeah I feel like the next time we talk if you have me back on I feel like you're gonna be a year and a half into a beautiful marriage and a recent father and um and you will have you will have um you'll have a subaru oh but i'll take you know what if the family comes with that and that's what it takes i'll do it all right
	you know i'll do that and um and i appreciate it timothy shallom thanks for all the neat acting man thanks for that thanks for the movie about the drug about um the young man struggling with drugs thanks for the movie about bob dylan uh and just thanks for sharing like what it takes the commitment that it does take because i do feel that from you i appreciate it i do feel that of the commitment that it really takes if you really want to take this opportunity and make the most of it in your life you know exactly like you're doing i i see you doing you know you know so um you just got to go hard amen brother um christmas day
	the movie comes out you can go watch it in the theaters with your family over the holidays perfect perfect it'll be in theaters yeah it'll be in theaters on christmas day um a complete unknown super proud of this man um you should be man congratulations thanks let me talk about it brother yep that was fun man thank you man holy shit that wasn't as ground as sorry yeah that's frustrating on the breeze and i feel i'm falling like these leaves i must be cornerstone

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