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E525 Jessie Murph

Jessie Murph is a singer-songwriter originally from Huntsville, Alabama. Her debut album comes out soon, and you can check out her latest single “Dirty” featuring Teddy Swims now. Jessie Murph joins Theo to chat about her journey from making tik toks at home to playing her first arena show, a near-collab with Drake, and why every lady loves Bed Bath and Beyond. Jessie Murph: https://www.instagram.com/jessiemurphhh/ ------------------------------------------------ Tour Dates! https://theovon.com/tour New Merch: https://www.theovonstore.com ------------------------------------------------- Sponsored By: BetterHelp: This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp — go to http://betterhelp.com/theo to get 10% off your first month. Cuts: Refine your style with @cutsclothing and get a special discount at https://www.cutsclothing.com/! #cutspartner Morgan & Morgan: If you’re ever injured, visit https://forthepeople.com/thispastweekend or dial Pound LAW (#529). Their fee is free unless they win. 50 Fires: Go to link.pscrb.fm/theovon-2307812 to listen to the 50 Fires Podcast. ------------------------------------------------- Music: “Shine” by Bishop Gunn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3A_coTcUek ------------------------------------------------ Submit your funny videos, TikToks, questions and topics you'd like to hear on the podcast to: tpwproducer@gmail.com Hit the Hotline: 985-664-9503 Video Hotline for Theo Upload here: https://www.theovon.com/fan-upload Send mail to: This Past Weekend 1906 Glen Echo Rd PO Box #159359 Nashville, TN 37215 ------------------------------------------------ Find Theo: Website: https://theovon.com Instagram: https://instagram.com/theovon Facebook: https://facebook.com/theovon Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thispastweekend Twitter: https://twitter.com/theovon YouTube: https://youtube.com/theovon Clips Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheoVonClips Shorts Channel: https://bit.ly/3ClUj8z ------------------------------------------------ Producer: Zach https://www.instagram.com/zachdpowers Producer: Nick https://www.instagram.com/realnickdavis/ Producer: Colin https://instagram.com/colin_reiner Producer: Cam https://www.instagram.com/cam__george/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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	Today's guest is a singer-songwriter from Huntsville, Alabama.
	Her rise over the last few years has been incredible to watch.
	She has a new album coming out, ASAP, and a single called Dirty is already released featuring Teddy Swims.
	We talk about all of that and a lot more.
	I'm a fan, and I'm grateful to spend time today with Jesse Murphy.
	Shine that light on me.
	I'll sit and tell you my stories.
	shine on me and I will find a song I will sing and I will There's kind of vibe in the day, dude.
	You're having a good hair day.
	What do you do to it?
	Huh?
	What do you do to it?
	You volumize it?
	I mean, does that mean not wash it as much?
	No, that's not what that means.
	What is it?
	You know, got some powder or something?
	Oh, you know, I don't put no damn powder.
	You have a hairy.
	The Lord does my hair while I sleep.
	So when I wake up, it's just.
	What is?
	The Lord doing your hair while you sleep.
	Yes, for some people it works.
	Now, some men, they wake up and it's just not that, you know, I think it's the Lord missed them or he left them too long in the.
	I think so.
	What's that thing that they put on women?
	Did you ever go to the hair salon with your mom and they would put that thing on her?
	Yeah, they still do it.
	Do they really?
	They do that to everybody, not just moms?
	Yeah, whatever that thing.
	My mom, sometimes, like, if it was going to be like Easter or something, she would take us.
	Yeah, she would take us some to this nice place.
	It was called the Looking Glass Salon.
	Wow.
	This was in Louisiana, in Covington, Louisiana.
	And it was nice.
	Like, when you opened the door, it had like a little bell on it or whatever.
	I'll hold up how you know.
	It's a good one.
	Well, you just knew that they meant business in there.
	Did you go under one of those?
	Sometimes I would sneak in while my mom's hair was under it and I'd put my hands in there.
	It feels nice, no?
	Yeah.
	And I thought it felt pretty cool and it just made me feel like I'm going to be somebody someday.
	You should go.
	You should go now.
	Yeah.
	I feel like you have long enough hair to where it'll do something.
	To get it done?
	Yeah.
	Is that your hair?
	Yes.
	I love it.
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	I bet horses get jealous, probably somebody.
	You think so?
	Yeah.
	I hope so.
	Jesse Murph, thanks for coming in.
	Thanks for having me.
	I'm excited.
	I'm happy that you're here.
	I'm a big fan.
	You know that.
	Yeah.
	Right?
	Yeah.
	I mean, I love like, I don't know like the album names and stuff, but I went, what was the tour?
	I saw you in Boston, I think it was during Drowning, maybe?
	Yeah.
	Damn, was it?
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	Long time.
	And I even bought a shirt and I was going to say, and I saved it to wear if you ever came in.
	You didn't wear it?
	It's in Nashville.
	That's fucked up, dude.
	I only bought one.
	It's fucked up.
	But that's okay.
	What's going on?
	How's your day?
	My day's good.
	Yeah, no.
	It's been a good day.
	It has?
	Not much has happened.
	How's your day going?
	My day's pretty chill.
	What happened?
	We did a podcast this morning.
	And yeah, I might go get a massage after this or go to dinner.
	You should.
	Yeah.
	And yeah, that's about it, really.
	You get massages a lot.
	I do.
	They're good for the soul.
	Yeah.
	They really are, huh?
	I think having somebody touch you that's not trying to like.
	That's not sus.
	That's not, yeah, trying to be a pervert.
	It depends on the massage you're getting.
	The places I go, I tell them immediately when I go in there, do not.
	You really do that?
	Oh, I tell them straight up.
	Yeah, because I...
	I just don't.
	I want clear communication between me and anybody that's touching my body.
	I feel like, but like, because here's what happened.
	Should you be doing that, though?
	I don't do it.
	What, getting massages?
	No, I don't tell them that.
	Oh, you don't?
	You're just taking a risk?
	Should I be telling them that?
	I mean, I think you preface it like, hey, guys, I'm just here for the massage.
	Especially if I was a girl, I feel like I would.
	Really?
	Even if it's another girl?
	You think so?
	These dads.
	You're telling them?
	You're telling them.
	Yeah, because some of the girls are even so strong and you don't know.
	You don't know who, who's, who's, you don't know who's who.
	No, I'm nervous.
	No, but I will tell them straight up.
	Because here's what happened.
	One time I was in the massage.
	Like sometimes they have like that little chair where they put your face down.
	Have you seen that thing?
	No, I heard it.
	So I was in there.
	The lady's massaging me.
	A guy comes in.
	This was like at a strip mall in Tennessee.
	And a guy comes in and he's talking to the woman and he asks her if they do like happy endings or whatever.
	Damn.
	Like a client.
	Yes.
	And I felt like, I cannot believe this guy is asking this.
	And the lady's like, no, no.
	She's doing your massage.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	And I was like, tell him no, you know, I was just like, because I don't know how experienced she is or whatever.
	And then, yeah, she's like, no.
	And then the guy got, you know, I think he felt a little embarrassed and then he left.
	But anyway, that's why ever since then, I go in, I say, and if we have a language barrier, I'll even draw.
	You draw?
	How do you draw it?
	What do you draw?
	Well, I'll draw like kind of a human body.
	Okay.
	And then I'll draw kind of like the middle area.
	How long would you say this is taking?
	How long?
	Well, you know, for me, it takes a little while to draw it.
	And then I will put a big X over the middle.
	That's what you do.
	Yes.
	I can see it.
	If the language is, if there's a language behind it.
	That makes sense.
	Yeah.
	I can't judge you for that.
	Thank you.
	Yeah.
	Because I want them to know straight up I'm here so that when we both, when I leave, we both feel cool, but not strange.
	And that's respectful of you.
	Thank you.
	I get it.
	Yeah, that's where we are.
	You've like had so much success at your age.
	Pretty crazy.
	Crazy.
	Are there moments where it's like, I wish, because I don't think people realize like a lot of people think like, oh, I would like to have popularity.
	I would like to have fame.
	I would like to have some celebrity, you know?
	But then once that kind of comes, it's real and you can't like put it back in the box, you know?
	Do you ever have moments where you're like, gosh, this is a lot and it's like, and it's going to be here to stay probably, you know?
	Yeah.
	I mean, definitely.
	I think it, I'm sure you have the same.
	It just gets a little overwhelming sometimes.
	Yeah.
	But yeah, I don't know.
	Yeah, because I mean, it's kind of crazy.
	No, it is crazy.
	And it's so different from how I like grew up and how everything that I saw when I was younger is.
	So it's just like a very different, it's an adjustment for sure.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	A lot of people don't know you are, you're from Huntsville, Alabama.
	Yeah.
	Since that rocket, you have like the most trajectory out of Huntsville.
	You think so?
	I think so.
	You know that rocket that's about the internet?
	I know the rocket.
	Everybody knows the rocket.
	How do you know about the rocket?
	Look, honey, you drive through there and then people are like, have you seen the rocket?
	It's the thing.
	Did you go?
	I don't know.
	I think we pulled over one time.
	That's the rocket.
	Yeah.
	Huntsville is kind of a cool place.
	You don't realize.
	I feel like it's the next Lexington kind of.
	You think so?
	Yeah, I think because there's a lot of odd diversity there.
	It's like, I mean, I don't know what you think it was like growing up.
	Did you feel like there was just the Sticks?
	No.
	Huntsville, no.
	I feel like that's a city.
	Yeah.
	But I did live in this place called Athens, Alabama, and that was the Sticks.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It's like 45 outside of there.
	Everybody's outside of Huntsville.
	Ever been to Athens, Alabama?
	Yeah.
	No, ma'am.
	Don't go.
	What?
	Athens is the city, the county seat of Limestone County.
	That's where you're from, Limestone County.
	Yeah.
	Well, I was born in Huntsville, but I lived here during like middle school and high school.
	So formative years.
	Yeah, very formative.
	Did you guys have like school dances and stuff over there?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I think so.
	Did you have the one where the girl has to ask the boy?
	No.
	Why would you think that?
	Because some schools have them.
	Like in the South, they have Sadie Hawkins.
	Yeah.
	Oh, my God.
	Yes, we had this.
	I did that.
	You're so right.
	Yeah.
	That's a really fun one.
	Yeah.
	Anything you want to know about yourself, just ask her.
	But you had to ask a boy.
	Yeah, I guess I did.
	Damn.
	Do you remember, like, do you like?
	We did have that.
	Oh, my God.
	That has brought up so many memories.
	Oh, yeah, because the girl had to buy the shirt, dude.
	And I remember I'd be at school and it would be like the day the girl was going to give you the shirt.
	What shirt?
	What shirt are you talking about?
	Oh, because girls and boys had to have matching shirts for Sadie Hawkins dance.
	Oh, we had different Teddy Hawkins.
	Oh, really?
	What was yours like?
	You had to get a matching shirt and the girl would buy it.
	But then you had to meet her at school and the day she would give you the shirt.
	You know, she'd call you the night before and she'd be like, my mom got a shirt.
	You're like, all right.
	You don't know what the shirt is?
	No, and you're just nervous anyway because you're just kind of nervous to be around girls and it's like junior high or whatever.
	And then you'd like meet her for like a, and you'd get the shirt and you were just so nervous, I feel like.
	Were you like a nervous, were you nervous like in junior high and stuff?
	Like what were you like?
	A little bit, maybe.
	I don't know.
	It depends on the situation.
	I feel you.
	Like that's a scary situation right now.
	Like, do you remember the first time a guy had to like ask you to a dance or anything like that?
	I don't know.
	I didn't go to many dances.
	Really?
	Yeah, no.
	I wasn't much of a dancer.
	Well, yeah, I didn't go because I was a dancer.
	Like going.
	Oh, you didn't go?
	Okay.
	I think I went to one of like sixth grade or something.
	Okay.
	But yeah.
	Okay, so you're growing up around there.
	You're not dancing.
	What are you doing over there?
	Did you have a first job over there somewhere?
	No, I did track, though.
	I did cheer.
	You did track?
	Yeah.
	What did you do?
	Huh?
	I played basketball with a couple of brothers, too.
	Bring it up again, man, when you get it.
	You did track because track is sort of a.
	That's me right there.
	Damn, wait, which one?
	This picture's faded out.
	Number 34. Okay.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	And I'll tell you this.
	Mr. Don on our team, who was the same age as me, but people called him Mr. Don.
	He had two children.
	He was a power forward.
	Wow.
	How old were you?
	Probably since high school?
	You were 13 in high school.
	Ball in.
	That's crazy.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So what were you doing over there then?
	Just, yeah, sports.
	I don't know.
	What did you do when you were growing up?
	Yeah, I don't know either, I guess.
	That's like the normal thing.
	Yeah, that's normal stuff, I guess.
	What would you guys do for fun in your town?
	Like in our town, sometimes like when we got into high school, we would meet outside of the Michaels craft store parking lot.
	Yeah.
	And people would go do stuff.
	Okay, yeah, so similar.
	Walmart.
	Walmart, really?
	Yeah, but I don't know.
	You didn't really want to go there.
	Really?
	Yeah, it was like ratchet.
	Did y'all have like different parking lots for different like vibes?
	Oh, like this parking lot is this vibe.
	This parking lot is.
	This one's ratchet.
	This one's yeah, 100%.
	Okay.
	At our school, we had this, it was called the hick tree, prep tree, and then I guess a little bit more like the urban tree kind of, you know?
	And that's where, yeah, people would like be like more beat boxing kind of stuff or people like, you know, cipher and stuff like that.
	So those were the trees that we had kind of.
	Yeah, okay, trees.
	Yeah.
	And then parking lots?
	I don't think so, really.
	Like, we had to go into New Orleans if you really wanted to get ratchet kind of.
	Wait, where are you from?
	I'm from Covington, Louisiana.
	Okay.
	So it's just like a pretty regular place.
	You're close to New Orleans?
	Maybe 45 minutes.
	Really?
	You go a lot?
	Oh, dude, we would go a lot.
	But the problem was we'd go over there and get drunk, and then somebody would have to drive home.
	Who drove home?
	Huh?
	Yeah, that's a great question.
	And that's what our parents asked every time we got back.
	Oh, it's fucked up, dude.
	Yeah, it was bad, dude.
	Fuck, I love that city.
	In New Orleans?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I love it.
	I've been like twice.
	Yeah.
	I want to go back.
	Did you go on tour?
	Was the first tour drowning?
	Was the tour?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	But no, it's such a good one.
	I watched a documentary about Katrina the other day.
	You did?
	And now I'm upset.
	Do you remember it?
	Yeah, dude.
	My friend was a news reporter during Katrina.
	He lived in Baton Rouge.
	So they had to take him by helicopter every day into New Orleans and then helicopter him out.
	No way.
	So he'd be there like interviewing people that were like, he's like, where are you sleeping tonight?
	They're like, we don't know.
	He's like, all right, I got to get on this helicopter and leave.
	It's so sad.
	What?
	It was pretty sad.
	I kind of feel for him some, but yeah, Katrina was pretty bunk, dude.
	You remember it well?
	I don't remember it that well, but I do remember seeing photos.
	They had like, because the water was really high.
	There were photos where people had like gotten, were like kind of swimming through the water and then they got hung up on a fence, like a regular heighted fence.
	And then after the water went down, they found bodies just like hanging over the fence.
	On the fences?
	Yeah.
	That's dark.
	I didn't see that in the documentary.
	It's pretty dark, yeah.
	Did y'all get bad weather?
	Like that.
	I mean, that's a bit much.
	Oh, oh.
	You have to flash it like Adam.
	Yeah, I mean, I was.
	We can look.
	We can close our eyes if we want.
	But yeah.
	So stuff like that, like people all over.
	This was another thing that happened that people don't realize.
	People would be like going because everywhere was covered in water.
	So people would be going through somebody's backyard.
	They had a swimming pool that people don't know while they're going through the water.
	No.
	Yeah.
	And just down in.
	Deep in, dude.
	The whole city's a deep end.
	So yeah, that was kind of, I guess that was something.
	Did they have any tragedies in your area growing up?
	Are you guys like in the tornado belt or anything or headlights or anything?
	Definitely.
	Headlights 100%, but for tornadoes for sure.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Some of my friends definitely got their roofs taken.
	Oh.
	Yeah.
	You?
	We had a lot of headlights.
	I think I grew up like in the headlights belt or whatever, and you'd see people itching all the time.
	I mean, one kid, he was just itching so much at Christmas.
	I remember he couldn't even open his gifts because he was just.
	No.
	Yeah.
	No.
	No.
	Yeah.
	No.
	Yeah.
	He'd get rid of it.
	I mean, I don't know.
	You should ask.
	I hope he's doing well.
	Yeah.
	I didn't get his name.
	And that's okay.
	You know, time passes and time heals all wounds.
	Do you share his name?
	Let's talk more about you.
	Okay.
	I don't know what I'm talking about anymore.
	No, you've just had such an ascent.
	It's really like it's rare, you know?
	I mean, you've just had such an ascent, you know, with your career.
	What are parts that are kind of scary right now?
	I think just decision making.
	I get really scared of making decisions.
	Yeah, me too.
	It's scary.
	That part overwhelms me a lot.
	And just knowing what's the right decision to make and trying to learn all that probably.
	And is it decisions about what song you do, maybe who to collaborate with?
	What kind of decisions do you mean?
	Yeah, and how to deal with certain things too.
	I think I'm learning and like, I don't know.
	I feel like I'm also dealing with like, I've dealt with some like hate for the first time.
	And that's something I'm trying to like figure out.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, because I got such a short temper.
	You do?
	Yeah.
	Damn.
	So I got to figure out how to like navigate it.
	Was it with the Ko Wetzel song?
	That kind of stuff?
	Or just other stuff?
	I mean, that's definitely, yeah, that was prominent.
	Yeah, because you had a song with Ko Wetzel and people were upset.
	Why was it?
	I couldn't even figure out kind of why they were upset.
	I think just because I was on the song.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah.
	Oh, that's a bummer.
	Yeah.
	I thought it was really a great.
	I thought it was really awesome.
	Thank you.
	I appreciate that.
	I think they were just pissed that, like, that it wasn't just him, probably.
	You know?
	Because, you know, sometimes you just want a song and it's like you just want that person.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	But they were pissed.
	They were pissed.
	Damn, maybe people were really dogged.
	Really?
	Dogged.
	Did anybody say a really good burn?
	And you were like, yeah, that does anybody.
	Yeah, I know.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	There was a lot of, there was a lot of shit.
	And would it just make you kind of nervous about it?
	No, it just made me mad.
	Oh, I see.
	Because nobody would say that to me in person.
	Yeah.
	It feels so personal.
	Yeah.
	You know?
	Do you ever read your comments?
	Oh, I'll read stuff sometimes.
	Yeah, this guy looks homeless.
	How'd this guy get a home?
	Yeah.
	Oh, at best, this guy looks like somebody that might have matches on him.
	That's what somebody says.
	That's bad.
	I don't know why, but that one feels really bad.
	So, yeah, sometimes you read stuff.
	You feel kind of cooked by it.
	And you can't write back because then you're in the trend.
	Then you're in the bullshit.
	No, you shouldn't.
	Yeah, you should never.
	Do you?
	Yes.
	Do you really?
	Hell no.
	You've never done it?
	Ever.
	You never wanted to do it.
	Oh, yeah, I've wanted to.
	Maybe you should do it.
	Nah.
	I think you do.
	You're bad.
	I can already tell you're a horrible influence.
	So, okay, so you're growing up in Huntsville and then how did things start kind of popping?
	You're doing music.
	You're running track.
	And what's going on?
	You run by the music teacher and just hit some bars or what?
	No, I started like posting online and then it just kind of took off from there.
	TikTok.
	On TikTok.
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	So do you think that these, like now, like people want to, like, do most young people think I need to be good at music or I need to be good on social media?
	I wonder.
	Whoa.
	That's a really good question.
	I don't know.
	Probably social media is their first thought, I think.
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	That's a great question.
	I think it's kind of a joint effort, though.
	Like, because if you, the music is the first part, I'd say, actually.
	Because you've got to have something there, I think.
	But then the next step is to make sure that can translate onto a screen.
	Yeah.
	And like in the beginning, were you just kind of screwing around or what happened?
	I haven't seen your earliest TikToks.
	That's good.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	I was just sitting in my like in my house in the basement.
	And I would just like film videos and be singing.
	I was like doing covers and shit.
	Oh, nice.
	Yeah.
	And then one of those blew up.
	And then it was right when COVID happened.
	So then I was just stuck At home, so I just kept doing it.
	Just in the basement, yes.
	Oh, and so you just were you at first, you were just doing covers.
	Oh, that's kind of perfect, huh?
	Yeah, it was a good start.
	And then, did you start writing some like what was one of your first songs that you wrote?
	I don't even know.
	I've I've been writing since I was like 11, I just didn't post it when I was 11, which is so good.
	Yeah, because I mean, yeah, imagine that.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	You know, even you get your, even it does well at 11. And then you're like, fuck, I'm 12 and I have all this.
	It's a huge, like, if you want to be able to really like have a career, that's such a long career to have, to even get to 30. 100%.
	Yeah.
	Also, and then you look back and you're like, things you say when you're 11, it's not how you feel when you're 12. Totally different.
	So different.
	Like, man, I wish these girls would leave me alone.
	That's 11. And then 12, you're like, damn, where the hoe is.
	It's so different.
	Some kids are.
	And I'm just saying that.
	We don't want to fuck.
	Is this an early one?
	No.
	This is the beginning, and it's far down there.
	That was fun.
	Oh, my God.
	A lot of these look like missing person photos.
	So scary.
	Just scroll through really quick again like that a little bit.
	Oh, a lot of these look like.
	Like, Jesus.
	Wow, there's a lot.
	You were so brave.
	That's a lot.
	No, and it was scary because people would like make fun of you at high school.
	Oh, I'm sure.
	Crazy time for that to happen.
	Yeah, to put yourself out there like that and then go to school, like if you have one that doesn't really pop.
	Yeah, and a bunch of them didn't pop before one pop.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	But when one popped that next day, you were like, what's good?
	Oh, yeah.
	Wow.
	That was so embarrassing.
	And you'd see the like where you can see that people would send something.
	You know what I'm talking about?
	The little arrow.
	Oh, yeah, the arrow.
	Yeah, that's the best marker.
	But when there's like three, you're like, fuck.
	And you know, it's just three for three people in your school will be like, look what the fuck this chick's up to.
	Oh, bad.
	That didn't happen to you?
	No, because we didn't have it.
	And so you were like, if you, you would sing in front of your class, whatever, and people were like, you suck or whatever.
	You did that?
	No, I didn't.
	There's one video of me singing.
	The boys will find it.
	What did we have?
	Oh, I remember like talent show is where you got to do something.
	That's crazy, dude.
	So we did, since we didn't have TikTok, we had an actual talent show where people had to do a talent.
	And that was your one chance.
	If you wanted, you basically got one TikTok for the year and it was love.
	You only had one of them?
	That was it because it was like you get up a talent show and that would be it.
	And people would just, the next day, people would be like, you suck.
	Did you sing at the talent show?
	Here I'm singing.
	I do this.
	This is you?
	It's a while back.
	Wow.
	Different haircut.
	Yeah, cool.
	You grew up in the church.
	You don't believe no longer will be.
	There's no way.
	Sorry, sorry.
	That's not you?
	Somebody made this in Senate.
	Hell no.
	That's not you?
	That is you.
	That guy looks like mentally unwell.
	I mean, it looks like me, but that guy does be.
	Neo, that's you.
	I pray one day that God turns me into that.
	Do you have a cousin?
	I don't know.
	But if he is, I'm going to take his life and his skills.
	And I'm going to become the best.
	You're related to him.
	I hope I am.
	Y'all are, have you talked to your mom?
	Yeah, not as much, but that's just our history.
	But okay, so you, so TikTok starts to happen.
	You come out of the basement.
	You finally realize I'm doing well enough on TikTok.
	I can come out of the basement.
	Yes.
	And then how do you start to write like your first song?
	Like, how does it evolve a little bit from there?
	Do you write your first song by yourself?
	Yes.
	I think I like something like made me so sad or mad or something.
	I think I went through a breakup or something.
	And I just wanted that person to know how I felt so bad.
	So I would just like write a song and post it.
	And I'm like, well, he's going to see it.
	So that's my thought process.
	Yeah, because a lot of your stuff, it's like, dang, she is, a lot of your stuff gives me like bereaved, like revenge chick vibes.
	What does bereaved mean?
	I don't know.
	I liked that word.
	A close relation of friend through their death.
	Oh, maybe I'll use that.
	Oh, bereaved.
	Go down one more.
	To be deprived of a loved one through a profound absence.
	Fuck, that's sad.
	Wow.
	I'm going to have to use this word more.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, because some of you put stuff in your, I'm like, God, who's she mad at?
	You know, or where's some of it has a little bit of revenge in it, though.
	100%.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And it's kind of like, all right, interesting.
	It's the most motivating emotion, I'd think.
	So do you think?
	Yeah, 100%.
	What do you think?
	Right?
	What motivates you the most?
	That's a great question.
	Yeah, probably some spite, probably.
	Spite.
	Which is just, yeah, it's like revenge's fancy cousin that wears a tie, I guess.
	100%.
	Yeah, what is it?
	Oh, proving something to people.
	Right.
	Spite.
	Yep.
	I'm telling you.
	Yeah, it's like, oh, I'll show these.
	And then I used, you know, things you don't say at church or say to your grandmother at your grandmother's house, you know?
	Exactly.
	So you start to write a song, right?
	You write your own songs?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	I'll collaborate with people sometimes, but I always am a writer.
	Really?
	So your first album was mostly your own?
	Yes.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	Dude, it was so good.
	Thank you.
	Yeah.
	Damn.
	I mean, I feel weird as like a man saying that because I almost feel like it's, I don't want to say it's music for women because music can be for anybody.
	It can be for anybody.
	Yeah.
	Then were you going through it?
	I don't probably.
	I've been going through my whole life.
	So I think I could just, I was like, who, what the fuck is going on here?
	And so, yeah, there were so many things.
	I was like, yeah, I just loved it.
	And it was kind of weird because I would tell my buddies, I was like, have you heard this girl?
	And they're like, what the fuck are you talking about, dude?
	You know, put some guar on, bro, or something, you know.
	Put on something dangerous.
	Let's be real.
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	So then how do you start to get picked up?
	Like what happens from there?
	Because you're at home, you're building some cloud in your town.
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	I think there was this one song.
	People started reaching out through email.
	People would just email or sliding the DMs.
	Really?
	And it kind of went through there.
	Yeah.
	But I don't really remember how all that happened.
	It felt like such a blur of time.
	And my mom also helped me with a lot of it because I was so young.
	Yeah.
	And is she pretty smart?
	Yeah.
	God bless her.
	Good woman.
	What does she do for a job?
	She works at a transmission shop.
	No way.
	Really?
	Family business.
	No way.
	Your family does.
	Your family's not training.
	What's the term called?
	Transmissioners.
	Yeah.
	That's awesome.
	That's got to be it.
	Dang.
	So your dad sometimes has like grease on his arms or whatever?
	No, I mean, no.
	I don't know.
	But how do they get him out of there?
	What, the transmission job?
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	She works.
	She doesn't like build transmissions.
	Okay.
	So she's not a mechanic?
	No.
	I see.
	That'd be crazy, though.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Could be a little bit strange, maybe.
	My mom dated a mechanic, I think, for a little while.
	Really?
	Yeah, I don't know if she, I think she just needed new tires, to be honest with you.
	Damn.
	You know, you got to do what you got to do.
	So happens.
	Yeah.
	Things are in a line.
	She gets the new tires, though?
	Yeah, we got them.
	That's all I'm talking about.
	It's all about that PSI, mommy.
	That's what we need.
	Fill them bad boys up, dude.
	So I saw you in Boston perform.
	How do you get from where we're at, like where you're in your town to that place?
	Like your mom puts deals together, something.
	You fly to where, Los Angeles?
	New York.
	New York.
	Yeah.
	Whoa, was that your first time ever going?
	Yeah, 100%.
	I think the first place I ever went was Miami.
	And I spent a week there and just made music for a week.
	With producers?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And that was my first time going anywhere for music.
	It was my first time going on a plane other than for like cheerleading.
	Yeah.
	It was crazy.
	It must have been so exciting, huh?
	It was so exciting.
	It was so exciting.
	And I just remember being so like, oh my God, I want to do this the rest of my life.
	I like fell in love with it.
	But yeah, I don't know.
	Everything just feels like a blur.
	Like, how do you feel when people ask you?
	Oh, yeah.
	Now things certainly feel like a blur.
	And then sometimes you can't even remember what you were doing.
	It's like, I don't even know.
	You're right.
	You just somehow got where you are.
	Yeah.
	You know?
	Yeah.
	Like I kept, I've always kept working.
	I've just kept going forward.
	Exactly.
	You just have to keep doing it.
	Yeah.
	So yeah.
	So maybe we don't even have to learn about all that stuff about you.
	You know, just here we are.
	What do you have like a pre-show routine then that you do?
	Like tell me about it.
	Take me through some of that.
	Okay, pre-show.
	What I do, I'll have a Red Bull every time.
	And I'll put on, lately I put on sexy red every time.
	I mean, you got to do it.
	Shake that ass for Drake.
	Exactly.
	That's what I put on before I go on.
	Get it sexy is the song.
	Oh, yeah.
	The last song I play before I go on.
	And yeah, that's really all I do.
	It's not too complicated.
	That's it.
	Yeah.
	And what's in your green room kind of?
	You have some candles in there?
	What do you got?
	I try to have some candles in there.
	Like a good vanilla one.
	I like vanilla.
	Like something really sweet, probably.
	Yeah, something that reminds you of a car freshener.
	You can tell you grew up poor if your candles match your car freshener smells.
	Damn, that's fucked up.
	That's so true.
	Damn.
	Yeah, I actually, I realized that.
	Like, light up that new car smell candle, you know?
	I get it, though.
	Yeah.
	Bath in Body Works.
	Oh, God.
	Did you go there?
	No, but I used to go there to get like presents for your girlfriend or something.
	You have to go in there.
	That's a good place.
	And it was so embarrassing.
	Some lady comes over in an apron and she's like, how can I help you?
	You're like, I'm in love with somebody.
	I got to prove it to them.
	I need a damn scent that expresses my fucking feelings.
	How many times did you go there, you think?
	Probably three or four times.
	Your girl was the same girl?
	Yeah, probably two different girls, maybe.
	Damn.
	But was what it was.
	I got in there and got out, you know, did what I had to do.
	It did the trick, though.
	Did the trick.
	Every time it's going to work.
	Yeah.
	My first girlfriend was kind of like a, she was like pretty masculine, I guess.
	And she would, the school bus would come and my brother's friend, it would pick them up first.
	So they'd already be on the bus, and she would pick me up and give me a kiss.
	Goodbye at the end of school.
	Wow.
	How old were we?
	She played second base.
	We were seventh grade.
	I don't know what grade she was.
	She might have been 40 years old, but she would fucking, I remember, and they would, you could hear them, their windows would be up because the driver would get mad if you put them down.
	You could hear them howling through the bus windows.
	No.
	Oh.
	What was her name?
	I don't want to say it because I'm sure she's a beautiful.
	I think she just, you know, some people, she's a late bloomer, you know?
	No, I actually feel like girls probably like mature faster at that age.
	Oh, she was taking a tall.
	She was just mature, dude.
	She was tall.
	She played second base.
	Yeah.
	Oh, come on, dude.
	This is a lot.
	Damn, that's a weird image in my head right now.
	This is a lot.
	And I didn't hold on to that gate or whatever.
	She was real.
	She held me up, dude.
	I didn't have a choice.
	She played second base, I think, on the...
	I don't know.
	Hopefully not baseball.
	But all I'm saying is she was a tough gal.
	And I was just glad that we had each other for the time that we did.
	And that's the one you got Bath and Body Works for?
	Yeah, I remember getting her something.
	And she wanted like a lot of Atlanta Braves, like baseball gear and stuff like that.
	So she did play baseball.
	Yeah, she really did.
	You had it right the first time.
	She played, yeah, she played a woman's baseball.
	Anyway, yeah, I'm trying to think, what do I have in there?
	So I'll have like a yoga mat.
	Oh, yeah, there's sexy right there.
	Bring her up.
	Wow.
	That was a good one.
	Yeah, that was fun, dude.
	She's so good.
	And I just got, and I, I walked in this, um, if you're on, if you're listening on audio, it's just a picture of me and Sexy Red.
	And then there's, uh, I have this Suicide Boy shirt on, and I just got in that, there was a room next door.
	I was asking, I was like, you guys know where this clothing shop?
	And they're like, the people right next door have a bunch of clothes.
	And I just walked in there and they had that shirt.
	Like right next door to you.
	Of Suicide Boys.
	You ever heard of them?
	Of course I've heard of them.
	Yeah.
	I just found a song that I really like by them.
	Is it called Dust in a Vase?
	Oh, is that one good?
	I only know one song.
	Really?
	And I love it.
	Maybe I should dive in.
	Are the rose?
	I'm trying to think of the one I like.
	But sexy was cool, man.
	And yeah, I tried to invite her out to do something, but she got pregnant.
	So which is kind of the same thing.
	Because a lot of women are like, I can't.
	I have to wash my hair.
	But she's like, hey.
	I got pregnant.
	That's one hell of an excuse.
	And I know, I was like, I even asked my buddy, I was like, you don't think she got pregnant just so she didn't have to grow out with me?
	He's like, you think some woman would get pregnant because she doesn't want to grow out with you, dude?
	That's, you're an idiot.
	I mean, that's commitment, though.
	It is commitment.
	That's some real like people pleasing shit right there.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So anyway, oh, and then, so yeah, before my show, what will I do?
	Yoga for like 34 minutes?
	Really, actually?
	Yep, 100%.
	Like regular yoga, hot yoga?
	I do yoga with Adrian.
	It's just on the computer.
	Okay.
	And I'll put my yoga mat in my green room and then I will have like a couple sips out of a coffee and I'll listen to some FGL or some Boosie and or maybe some Morgan and then I'll go out there.
	Okay.
	I like this routine.
	Yeah.
	The yoga's good.
	Yoga makes you feel good.
	It's actually how long have you been doing it?
	I've been doing it for maybe six years.
	Wow.
	So I'll do it probably three times a week right now, but it just makes you feel, I don't know, it makes you feel pretty alive, I guess.
	You do like complicated yoga?
	Hell no.
	You said six years?
	Like bird or bald eagle or whatever that stuff is?
	Tim, you know the names for all of them?
	Whatever that other one is, Hurt Camel or something.
	I don't do any of that.
	I don't know.
	What does that one look like?
	I haven't heard of that one.
	You got to be a woman to be able to do that one, I think.
	But it's, yeah, I think there's just a lot of different ones.
	So you've got to do some cool collabs, Joe.
	Right?
	Yeah.
	Some great collabs.
	Pretty crazy.
	Jelly Roll called you his little sisters.
	What did he say?
	Yeah, you talked with him, didn't you?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I love Jelly Roll.
	I mean, who doesn't?
	No, he's the best dude I've ever met.
	I know.
	Such a great man.
	I almost wish there were more of them or if they just turned him into 2E Claire's.
	But no, you got to have Jelly Roll.
	Jelly rolls too good.
	When you guys made this video, Wild Ones, this was...
	How long do you guys?
	How many times did you guys do it?
	I don't know.
	You know, it's fucked up.
	I don't know if.
	Were you really there?
	No, that to me, I was there.
	But I don't think, I don't know if I've watched the full video.
	I don't like to watch them back.
	Really?
	Yeah, I know.
	It freaks me out.
	I don't like to watch it.
	Yeah, why?
	Fuck, is that bad?
	I should start watching the whole video.
	No, I don't listen to my podcast.
	Really?
	No.
	No, that'd be weird.
	Yeah, and you would just be sitting there forever.
	And then if people see you listening to it.
	Fuck.
	Sometimes I'll feel bad.
	Like I'm in the airport editing it or something.
	And I'll see someone if they see my computer and like, oh, God, it's sad.
	They'll listen to this own podcast.
	You think so?
	Makes me feel sad sometimes.
	Right.
	I feel weird.
	It's like, it's not my business to be watching it.
	That's a good point.
	Right.
	It's your business to be making it.
	Exactly.
	Yeah.
	So, like, yeah, what are some collaborations?
	Because, like, so collaborations so far, you've had Co, Jelly Roll.
	Diplo Polo G. Diplo Polo G. Marin Morris.
	Marin Morris.
	That's a lot.
	That's it.
	People love collabs, I feel like.
	I'm a collabor.
	Really?
	I love collabs.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	You prefer if it's with a male or woman?
	I've only done one with a girl, but I think I'd like to do more.
	Yeah.
	It depends on the song, you know?
	Yeah.
	You got to pick and choose wisely, you know?
	And is that kind of the hard part?
	Like, so do somebody pitch you a collaborator first and then they pitch you a song?
	Or how does that work?
	Or do they pitch both you guys a song at the same time?
	Well, since I write my stuff, it's like I'll make a song and I always make it just for me.
	I never like make it thinking about like, this is going to be a collab.
	Right.
	So I'll make it and then I'll just have to delete my second verse.
	Oh, and let them put something in because they have to get to write their own stuff, huh?
	Yeah.
	Most of the time.
	Especially if it's a guy because like the perspective is normally different.
	You feel me?
	Yeah.
	Who would you collab with if you were a singer?
	Oh, wow.
	Would you be a singer or would you be like a rapper?
	Oh, I told you you're going to say dancer, but I'll.
	Oh, I don't know about a rapper.
	If you had to start a music career right Now, you know what I would be?
	I would think I would be like a country DJ, kind of.
	Okay, that's fire because I don't think there are enough of those.
	Right.
	Well, I hate is you go to EDM Club or something like that.
	You go to like a, you know, even in Vegas, you got some of that clubs.
	A lot of times it's like, you know, it's Diplo, John Summit, Chainsmokers, all good stuff, right?
	Love, fun to go to, fun to listen to.
	But they never have like that, a DJ that's kind of like a country DJ, but the same place.
	I feel like if you did like a country DJ in some of those places, it would like, people would love that too.
	You got a point.
	You know?
	I really feel like there aren't enough of those.
	It's crazy.
	What are you doing?
	Side hustle?
	Well, then I just think people would, I think people would be like, what the fuck is this dude doing?
	And if it was bad, it's like I'm already doing one thing, but if I could do something, oh, I know what I would be a Christmas singer.
	You think so?
	And you only sing at Christmas, like Caroler?
	Yeah, maybe that way I only work one month out of the year.
	And when they know when I show up, it's business.
	No, not a caroler, dude.
	I'm not going to do it.
	What is a Christmas singer?
	A Christmas singer is a dang a good person that sings Christmas and sings about Christmas, boy.
	Bells will be ringing, that kind of stuff.
	That was you.
	Don't fucking lie to me.
	That guy was you.
	That was you.
	That guy is a pervert, man.
	No, that guy's a Pentecostal, and that guy's been through a lot.
	You're fucking with me right now.
	No.
	That's a great, but that guy's had a lot of tough times in his life.
	Yeah, I would think, yeah, I would probably be, oh, oh, Jazz, maybe something like that.
	Like Michael Bouble?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, and I would have like a cool name, too.
	What would it be?
	You could have your name, I feel like.
	Theo Vaughan, maybe.
	I'd be like, oh, I'd have like a name, like Mystery or something, like a stripper's name, but for a man.
	So like what?
	That's good.
	Mystery Jackson.
	But it's for Christmas.
	Yeah.
	I like it.
	And it would be called Mystery Toe, like Mistletoe kind of.
	That's good.
	You've already thought this out.
	You've already thought it out.
	This is all horrible.
	We're supposed to be talking about you, Jesse.
	So what else can we talk about here then?
	So you have a new album that's coming out.
	Yes, I do.
	I do have a new album.
	And it's called.
	BEEP
	Not all of them.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	But there's a couple that really must have just.
	Yeah, somebody had to do it.
	Yeah, somebody had to.
	Somebody, yeah.
	Somebody always has to break our heart, huh?
	Damn, that happened to you.
	Oh, I think it's happened to everybody.
	I think it's one reason why so many people can, like, relate to all types of things, probably.
	It's kind of crazy that we break each other's hearts, you know?
	I know, and it's common.
	Yeah.
	And it does happen to everybody.
	Dude, it's so crazy because, like, how you feel, your heart, it's pretty important.
	And then you freaking, you're like, here you go.
	And then everything is good for a little while.
	And then we let each other down, you know?
	Yeah.
	Fuck.
	I know, you're right.
	When did you get your heart broken, you think?
	Even a timeline.
	We don't need names.
	I don't think it was really a, I mean, things happen and you like go through things and you see things.
	And I think it's more with this album specifically, I think it's more of like a buildup of things.
	Like something set me off and then it just made me think about everything else and I was just fucking angry.
	And then that's, yeah.
	And when you get angry, what do you do?
	You go to a shooting range or anything like that?
	It's exactly what I do.
	No, I'm just kidding.
	Oh.
	I've never done it, but I want to try.
	Shooting range?
	Yeah, do you go?
	I took a date one time to a shooting range.
	It's an interesting place to do that.
	It was.
	Here's what I realized.
	As I get there, I'm just trying to be cool and stuff at front, at the counter or whatever.
	And we checked out a couple guns.
	Dude, you can check out guns.
	And then here's the crazy part.
	The guy's like, all right, just here's your guns.
	Go in there, booth four or whatever.
	And the guns are just sitting there.
	And I was like, are you going to bring the guns in there for us?
	And he's like, nah, you guys bring them in.
	And he put them just like in this little like, kind of like a bin they would give you at the airport or whatever.
	So I'm like carrying these two guns in there.
	And the girl's like, this is cool.
	This is fun.
	And then I didn't know what to do.
	No one had ever taught me how to use a gun or anything.
	They didn't teach you?
	Huh?
	No, they asked you if you know.
	And you lied.
	Yeah.
	Why would you lie about that?
	That's a fucking crazy cost.
	Well, I had to impress this chick, bro.
	And so I'm in there and I was like, oh, use yours first.
	Did she know?
	She didn't.
	Apparently she didn't know either.
	Well, Vati, you're so fine.
	Well, yeah, but she should know, dude.
	You know, because women need to be able to defend themselves or whatever.
	And so I was like, use your gun.
	And she's like, I don't know how to use a gun, you know?
	And then I realized like, oh, shit, I don't have to use a gun.
	And so I picked it up and then I realized you're in there and there's other people.
	You could shoot anybody if you.
	I've never been in.
	What does it look like?
	It's like.
	Did you really?
	Oh, 100%.
	There's no like walls?
	Oh, there's wall.
	But like you're facing your target and there's a wall on the side of you, but right around the edge of the wall is just the next person shooting.
	Really?
	So you could literally, like if you hated somebody, you could just shoot over that way.
	You think that happens a lot?
	I. You think that's a common thing?
	I don't know, but I just hope it doesn't.
	I was amazed they gave us these guns.
	So then I said, look, I'm going to be honest with you.
	Let's go back to the front to talk to the guy.
	I said, I think these guns.
	You didn't double back.
	That's bad.
	I said, I think these guns are broken.
	That's what I thought.
	That's what you said.
	And so we went back and like, he gave us some kind of like easier guns to use or whatever.
	And it was pretty fun.
	So you just picked some complicated.
	I picked like some SIG, some SIG, SIG, what's a gun called?
	SIG?
	SIG.
	Bring it up?
	SIG SAR.
	Yeah.
	It was just, it was fine, but it was just a lot.
	But after that, I learned how to use a firearm, they call it.
	And now you know?
	Yeah.
	And you could do it at any time.
	Yeah.
	And I live in Tennessee.
	It's a state where you can.
	Damn, you live there?
	You can do what you got to do.
	Yeah.
	I live in Nashville.
	You can.
	Damn, really?
	Yeah.
	I used to live there.
	You did?
	Good place.
	Do you miss it or not?
	I do.
	I just moved like two weeks ago.
	Where'd you move to LA?
	Santa Monica, yeah.
	No way.
	You're by the beach.
	I really like it.
	But I do miss Nashville.
	Yeah.
	Well, it's such a different world.
	So different.
	I mean, Nashville is so quiet.
	You think so?
	I think so.
	I don't think so.
	Really?
	I think it's loud.
	Depends on where you live, though.
	Yeah, I mean, I just live in kind of like a regular neighborhood, I guess.
	You're in the suburbs?
	No.
	Okay.
	I'm in the city.
	Okay.
	I would get out in the suburbs.
	I've been looking at some houses, but I've just been torn so much and here sometimes that I'm like, if I bought a different house, I wouldn't be able to be there to live in it.
	Yeah, I feel you.
	I feel you so heavily.
	Yeah.
	So Dirty, that's the new single off of the album.
	Yeah.
	And the album's called If These Men Come Around I'm going to Kill Em.
	What they call that?
	That's exactly what it's called.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Damn, that somehow is almost even worse.
	You'd almost rather have somebody shoot you than to say you are the devil.
	Damn, you think that's really bad?
	What, to shoot somebody?
	Well, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, no, no, no, no.
	That's bad, right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	The name of the album?
	Yeah.
	I think it's bad.
	Yeah.
	No, I think it's good.
	It's good.
	I think it fits you.
	It actually makes me really happy that you think it's bad.
	Right.
	I haven't really told it to any men yet.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	But I love your reaction, though.
	Thanks.
	Makes me feel good.
	Damn.
	Yeah, you are, you got the dark arts in you, I think.
	You know?
	And that's okay.
	Maybe you were a Halloween baby.
	Do you have a first single off of it?
	I do.
	The song that just came out, The Dirty, with Teddy Swims.
	Oh, yeah, with Teddy Swims.
	He's such a, I saw this great TikTok of him the other day.
	Somebody was singing on the street, and he walked up and sang with him.
	I know what you're talking about.
	So good.
	Find that up if you can.
	Teddy Swims.
	Craziest voice ever.
	Sounds got a hold of me lately.
	No, I don't know myself anymore.
	Damn, I haven't even seen this one.
	don't know How many times, how many times did I tell you I know good it is in the town?
	Get out of town.
	Yeah, you have to join me.
	Really?
	You guys.
	You guys.
	I lose control.
	Damn.
	That was insane.
	She just realized I'm out of a job.
	I'm falling apart right in front of you.
	Can't you see?
	Wow.
	Was that so cool?
	That's great, Nick.
	Thanks.
	Was that pretty wonderful to get to what was it like when you first met him?
	So crazy.
	He has one of the best voices ever.
	Oh, it sounds like he has a thousand years just trapped inside of him.
	That's a great way to describe it.
	I like that a lot, actually.
	Like somebody just screaming through a fucking wishing well of beauty.
	100%.
	Yeah, it just sounds like he's hurting.
	Yeah, it's like...
	Wow, it is, huh?
	Yeah, right?
	I'd say so.
	Yeah, 100%.
	Yeah, it's Chris Stapleton-y.
	Dude, I went and saw John Mayer recently.
	I went and saw The Grateful Dad and Company, and John Mayer plays with them.
	And sometimes he'll hit a note, and it feels like he's trying to find the exact note that will take us all to the end of time or something.
	I feel like he's specifically good at that.
	Yeah, he's just like, he just rides.
	That's exactly what he does.
	He's just such a crazy boy.
	And then here's a couple of Viettes right here.
	Bring them up.
	And this is Yanmare.
	Damn, this fucking kid is ripping, bro.
	Full allowance this week.
	God damn it.
	Look at his face.
	How does he even know how to feel all this?
	I got a game on tour right now.
	This kid could also be 40 years old, dude.
	We don't know what's going on, bro.
	Unreal if that's a real person and not AI.
	Okay, so the new album, what's like, tell me about it then.
	Well.
	Are there new collaborations on this album?
	Are there people, and did you reach out to them?
	How did it come about?
	What happened?
	Take me there, Miss Merck.
	I'm going to take you there.
	Okay.
	So first and foremost, the Teddy collab.
	I had this song, Dirty, that I made probably about a year ago today.
	And I posted it and it went viral.
	And I was just about to drop it.
	And then Drake texts me.
	He slides into my DMs.
	Damn.
	And he was like, you trying to let me get on Dirty?
	Really?
	Is that a euphemism?
	What does that mean?
	I don't know.
	I don't know what he's into.
	What do you mean?
	Like, what was he saying?
	Was he flirting, you think?
	Or he was asking about music?
	No, it's about music.
	Okay.
	And I was so excited because I love Drake, big Drake fan.
	I think he's incredible.
	Yeah.
	So that happened and I was kind of just like waiting on that.
	And it was like some back and forth.
	And then it just ended up like not working.
	It disappeared.
	Yeah, it just didn't.
	It didn't happen.
	Wow, that had to be freaking amazing.
	Were you scared to write back?
	How long after you saw his message?
	This is a question.
	How long after you saw, okay, Drake sent you a freaking message and you're like, how long do you wait to even open it?
	I don't know.
	I was definitely freaking out.
	He's one of my like favorite, like, just like songwriters.
	Oh, yeah.
	It's like if somebody from the Bible sent you a message.
	So he's so good.
	Yeah.
	But I don't, yeah, no, I was definitely freaked.
	I was like, what do I, how do you do that?
	What do I do?
	Do I even wear something nice to text him?
	Do you message me back?
	Is that how you felt?
	I mean, I was like a little like, I don't know what to, I didn't know what I thought.
	Yeah, I was like, hey, I definitely asked a couple people.
	I was kind of like, no, 100%.
	Yeah.
	You have to.
	It's like, what do you say to, yeah.
	No, 100%.
	And so then you wrote him back?
	No, I did write him back.
	But anyways, it didn't happen, but it made me realize that I did want, I wanted somebody on the song.
	I wanted it to be two people.
	And I was like, fuck, well, who should it be?
	Who could it be?
	Even though you just written it for you.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	That's cool, though.
	I just wanted it, you know?
	Yeah.
	He really made me realize like the song would be sick as a collab.
	So I was like, who should do it?
	So I asked my fans.
	I just asked TikTok, and they were like, I got an overwhelming response of Teddy Swims.
	Really?
	And once I saw that, I was like, oh my God, a fucking chorus.
	Dude, it's crazy.
	So I hit him up and he like did a verse and it's incredible.
	So that's how that happened.
	And then I also let Cloud No way, really?
	Bro, his energy is his energy is strong.
	Strong.
	He brings energy, man.
	That guy is so, he's his own fucking thing.
	He's like almost like somebody cut a power cable and it's just fucking that one that's just like that on the street, you know?
	Like the city hasn't come to fucking clamp it down or whatever yet, you know?
	100%.
	I love his energy as always.
	Anytime you're around him, you feel like kind of like just lifted up, you know?
	100%.
	That's a great way to describe it.
	Yeah, he's a crazy, crazy character.
	And he just started even playing music, I think, like five years ago or something.
	Yeah, it was really recent, right?
	Yeah.
	Which is wild.
	It's crazy.
	What did he do before he did like- Somebody said, I think he was in lawn care or something.
	Yeah, something like that.
	So it's like.
	Wow, what a 360.
	Yeah.
	Let's see.
	And long care.
	This is so helpful.
	Lawn care is dangerous.
	Swims, Teddy Swims grew up in Conyers, George, over there.
	His father introduced him to soul music at an early age.
	Marvin Gay, Stevie Wonder, and Al Green.
	Swims' family were American football enthusiasts.
	He had been playing American football for 10 years during his second year at Salem High School.
	He must have been held back then.
	If he played for 10 years in high school, Jesus.
	No judgment, dude.
	I did two years in sixth grade.
	Did you actually?
	Yeah, it never leaves your system.
	What happened?
	Mom said they needed me back.
	Really?
	She said they wanted me back.
	Did you fail?
	I wouldn't say failed.
	I would say, yeah.
	We had some disagreements maybe on the invoice at the end of the year.
	But yeah, you know, that's what we did.
	Yeah, Teddy's so magical, huh?
	You know, that's one thing that's amazing about TikTok is just how many artists you can find, you know?
	So many talented people in there.
	And there's like things that'll come across.
	Like, I know you had Maddox Batson on your show.
	He came on the podcast.
	And I just saw like his videos and people would tag me in him and be like, oh, yeah, this looks like you when you were a kid or this reminds me of you.
	And so then next thing you know, like he showed up and we had, we went for a ride.
	I got a cyber truck.
	We went for a ride in it.
	And just ridiculous, you know?
	And we got to listen to like his first new song.
	Yeah, he's so.
	He's such a sweet kid.
	He is.
	He's always like so just.
	Oh, that's his mom right there, too.
	She's pretty vibey, but she's married.
	But yeah, that was him, man.
	We had a nice time.
	But yeah, that's one thing.
	It's like, oh, you can hear a lot of, yeah, you can just hear like a lot of new artists.
	People can break through really quick.
	100%.
	Like that situation is crazy.
	He's so young.
	I know.
	What is he like?
	He's like 13?
	Yeah, I mean, that would be so scary.
	That's a crazy thing.
	Because then it's like, I don't think you develop any of your own like thoughts or real like, or not thoughts, but he's a fucking adolescent or whatever it's called.
	100%.
	And he's also going to be, he's going to be so massive.
	Yeah, it's like people compare him to Justin Bieber all the time.
	100%.
	So that's also tough because you're like, how does he just be himself?
	He seems to be good at it, though.
	I really do feel like he's made for it.
	You know what?
	That's kind of funny.
	Yeah, he kind of just acts already like he's a star.
	He does.
	He just has that about him.
	Yeah, he just fits in.
	Like, it's okay with him.
	He doesn't even second guess it.
	No.
	That's also a thing of being so young, though.
	I don't think it's like it registers really.
	Yeah.
	He probably doesn't really like, it doesn't feel like it's crazy just because you're young, I feel like.
	Right.
	Because also I think at that age, you feel like almost all kids probably feel like a star anyway because you're like just that vibrant, crazy energy.
	It's just that age, yeah, right.
	So he's just like, no, but he's, he's great, dude.
	Yeah, that was pretty cool.
	I'm trying to think of who else that I'll follow or listen to.
	Yeah, who's your like favorite artist?
	Who do you listen to?
	Right now, I listen to Red Clay Strays so much.
	Have you heard of them?
	Yo, so fucking good.
	She comes from Sioux.
	She's golden.
	Wow.
	I know that was you.
	I fucking know it was you.
	Yeah, God, they're good, dude.
	And they have after when I'm leaving stage, that's a song that we play all the time.
	They got that song.
	Got your walkout track.
	They remind me of like the Beatles.
	They remind me of Aerosmith a little bit.
	A walkout track on, yeah, when I'm leaving.
	I can't remember what it's called.
	I love that you love them.
	They're so good.
	God, they're so good.
	They're from down near you.
	They're from Mobile.
	No, I didn't even know that.
	That checks out.
	That really checks out.
	I met you like two years ago.
	Yeah.
	We met at your agent's house.
	A and R. A and R. Yep.
	And your brother was there.
	Your brother writes with you.
	Is that right?
	Yeah.
	He tours with me.
	He tours with you.
	He's a guitarist.
	Yeah.
	Nice.
	So was he like part of some of your like, how did that did you have to incorporate him?
	Did he have to audition or was just like it's a two-person deal?
	It's a two-piece.
	We always just kind of like played together.
	Like he's always just been obsessed with guitar and he writes too.
	He's incredible.
	But just growing up, that's just what we did.
	So it just felt natural, I feel like.
	And it's so nice to have him on the road.
	Is it?
	Yeah.
	You know?
	Why?
	Because you get to do things together?
	Yeah, just like also a sense of like home and family.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	He's a real country dude.
	Are you guys pretty close?
	Yeah, I'd say so.
	You have siblings?
	Yeah, I got three siblings.
	They're pretty good.
	My sister's a nurse now.
	Damn, wow.
	And I'm like, Jesus, dude, I would not let her go near me.
	Why?
	Any, I just, I couldn't imagine.
	And she's like, if I pulled up, I was like hurt or something.
	She's like, I'm going to help you.
	I'll be like, get the fuck away.
	You really?
	I mean, I think she's probably educated.
	You know, she knows what she's doing, but I wouldn't let her.
	And she can prescribe pills and stuff now.
	Damn.
	So, I mean.
	We'll see what happens.
	Okay, so what else on the album?
	And then how far after do you Tour?
	Like, do you have a release strategy?
	Like, do you start to strategize more these days with social media?
	Or do you feel like you do things kind of whimsical?
	Or, or is it like, do you have like almost a calendar where you know when you're going to put out what?
	I feel like, yeah, I know where strategizing is a big part of it.
	That's another part that really overwhelms me.
	I don't want to do that.
	I just want to put out the music and then step away.
	You always seem very like on your socials, it always seems like super just you kind of having a good time, like just, you know, singing some of the bars of the songs, and that's it.
	You know, it just feels, it feels like you're just at home, just doing whatever you want, you know?
	Yeah, that's how I'd like to keep it.
	But you do have to like think about when you're going to do this and when you're going to do that and why you're doing, you know, but I hate that stuff.
	It really freaks me out.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Anything that's too planned freaks me out, I think.
	Oh, yeah.
	You know?
	Oh, yeah.
	Well, once you start, and I start noticing too, it's like, well, let's do this and do the edit.
	And it's the second you start to feel that it's becoming too edited, I can already tell it's not going to be good.
	100%.
	Or it's not going to be real, you know?
	Oh, that's a great, yeah.
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	So now you're living in LA.
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	I know.
	I never thought I was going to move ever.
	Ever.
	Really?
	Yeah, because I lived in the movie.
	From where you moved from Nashville to LA.
	Yeah.
	I just love the South so much.
	Yeah.
	And I don't know.
	I was never like a big fan of LA, honestly.
	Yeah.
	But now I'm here.
	And how do you, and first you moved to Athens, to Nashville?
	Athens, Huntsville to Athens, to Athens, to Huntsville to Nashville, to LA.
	Okay.
	And why'd you move out of Athens?
	It was just really, like I said, I went to middle school and high school there.
	And it was really, really small and super conservative, like so conservative.
	Really?
	It's in the Bible belt?
	Like a heavy Bible belt.
	And are you with the church?
	Yeah, I like saying at church for a little bit, but I cuss a lot in my songs and shit.
	And that was like a really big deal there.
	Especially when me doing cheer was like really serious.
	They would like make me like run laps if I like posted something and there was a cuss word in it.
	I would have to like run miles for every cuss word.
	Really at school?
	Yeah, public school too, which is just fucked.
	But then like the guys could do it, which is fucked.
	Oh, yeah.
	Most of the guys are allowed to curse in the South, but women are mostly for more for pregnancy.
	No, 100%.
	That's exactly what they were trying to say.
	Pregnancy and recipes, that's like the, those were like, used to be the big women thing.
	100%.
	Yeah.
	Did you have the baby class at high school?
	The men didn't have to do it.
	We had to do wood shop or whatever.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	But the girls had a baby class?
	The girls had a baby class.
	Is that everywhere?
	Babies, and then I think the second semester was, I want to say omelets.
	No.
	Or breakfast, babies and breakfast.
	Are you serious?
	Yeah.
	That's the class.
	I mean, look, that's the spot.
	That's how you keep a family together, dude.
	You know what I mean?
	Babies or breakfast?
	Some guys took it.
	You were allowed to take it?
	Yeah, some guys did.
	Home economics courses often consist of learning how to cook, how to do taxes, and how to perform child care tasks.
	That's fair.
	That's fair.
	But yeah, I feel like guys should do that too, though, no?
	Yeah, some guy, yeah.
	We had wood shop.
	You had to learn how to build a birdhouse, how to like de-hoof a horse or whatever.
	A couple different stuff we had to do.
	You really had to learn how to do that?
	That's some Kentucky stuff.
	We had a farrier come and he would show us how to do the thing.
	Have you ever had to do it?
	I'm like, dude, I don't even, I'm fucking, I can barely, like, like, we get one pair of Reeboks a year, dude.
	If I do this to my shoes, mom's going to fucking, mom's going to drive over my legs with her car, dude.
	Oh, my God.
	How often do you think people use that stuff?
	Do you ever think about that?
	How, like, you're never really using anything you learned in school?
	Oh, yeah.
	What do you mean?
	I think the stuff we should teach kids is like, hey, how do you be nice to somebody else?
	How do you recognize maybe if somebody else is having a tough day?
	Like emotional intelligence.
	Yeah.
	And it's so, it's scarce.
	You don't even realize how scarce it is.
	Emotional intelligence.
	Fuck yeah.
	100%.
	Especially, I think, with my generation.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	100%.
	There's just like a lack of like depth.
	Is there really, do you feel like less of an interaction in your generation?
	Fuck yeah.
	I mean, for everybody right now, though.
	And I think just because of like, I mean, it's because of social media.
	But like, it's weird because we're so connected, but we're so disconnected.
	Yeah.
	Young adulthood is no longer one of life's happiest times.
	People are sad.
	People are really sad.
	That's why, though, I wonder.
	Yeah, why do you notice?
	Because you have a lot of fans that are kind of like, you know, you do touch on that space of like, I want to feel something.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	No, I don't know why.
	I do think it's because of like you're spending hours a day like on a phone and you're seeing all these things and it's you're not meant to see that much, I don't think, as a human.
	Yeah.
	And you see it and you're like, then your brain's just going crazy.
	And then you compare yourself to everybody.
	Oh, that's the truth.
	You know, everybody does it.
	I think even adults do that now.
	But it's, I think it's really damaging for people like in high school and middle school.
	Well, you compare yourself so much.
	And here's one thing I realize.
	It's like you may love somebody, right?
	But then if you see a thousand pictures of other that are not even real, like they've been adjusted or filtered, then you see those, then you're going to think, oh, this, you can't help but feel some attraction to somebody.
	Really, you think so?
	I think sometimes it's hard because here, the felonies in playing fair.
	It's like if there's filters and stuff, that's not even the real person or the lighting is.
	You're getting tricked.
	Right, you're getting tricked.
	But we're all getting tricked into thinking that there's something better out there.
	That's fucked up.
	In relationships, it's fucked up too.
	Yeah.
	You know how many like relationships in probably because of that?
	So many Snapchat.
	You know how many relationships in because of Snapchat?
	You got Snapchat?
	I have Snapchat.
	I don't know.
	I don't use it.
	Don't use it.
	I do not use it.
	It's not good for you.
	Don't even do it.
	I'll never use it.
	Don't even do it.
	I wouldn't.
	Don't, don't use it.
	No, I will not.
	Yeah, but I don't even know.
	Yeah, people are, and sometimes, now, a couple years ago, I would look at Snapchat, but sometimes you would open it up and you would, there would just be like a dang cooter or something in there.
	That happens to you.
	That's such a thing.
	You'd be like, what is going on?
	Unsolicited.
	Yes.
	And you're like, where is, what is happening or something?
	And it would be like, come to Memphis or something.
	Somebody you don't know.
	You'd be like, dear God.
	These are your friends on Snapchat.
	I don't know who these people are.
	Well, that's a crazy thing on Snapchat is it's just nate.
	You have no idea who the fucking person is.
	What are you talking about?
	You should.
	It should be your friends.
	You probably added them.
	Oh, yeah.
	Then I don't know how I got.
	I don't know because there's like 70 people that can send me stuff and I don't know any of them and I don't know how they're able to get them.
	How did you get them on?
	Maybe when I first started, I might have hit the wrong button.
	To where you can allow anything.
	That's how you get unsolicited dick pics.
	Really?
	Yes.
	Well, I don't get any dick pics.
	Actually, dude, I have gotten a couple of things.
	I know you've gotten one.
	There's some guys from Scotland who are always doing blow and sending dick pics to me.
	Just Scotland guys?
	Yeah.
	It's really niche.
	They either sound Scottish or they've done so much blow that they just can't speak out.
	There's audio.
	Yeah, there's audio too.
	What are you talking about?
	Yeah, dude.
	You think I'm playing a dick pic with no audio, dude?
	Just a silent woman.
	What are they saying?
	What are they saying?
	Sometimes it's like you'll hear them doing little football chants or just talking in Scottish.
	Yeah, wiener vid.
	That feels much worse.
	Well, it's more cinematography.
	I feel like cinematic.
	Yeah, just a picture is like, oh, anybody can do that.
	At least these guys are like.
	They're putting some work in.
	It feels like they really thought about it.
	All right, I don't want to think about it anymore.
	You know, I'm 40 days off pornography right now.
	Wow.
	That's good.
	I feel pretty hype about that, actually.
	I feel pretty good about it.
	Do you think you will go to college?
	You didn't go to college.
	It didn't.
	You didn't?
	No, but I've been thinking about it.
	Have you?
	No.
	Fucking that like.
	Like Mahabu, would you go like him?
	I'm never going to college.
	But sometimes I do want to go because lately I've, like when I was in high school, I never, I hated that shit and I didn't want to learn anything.
	But now I feel like, I don't know if it's my age or what, but I just want to learn so much.
	Yeah.
	I'm trying to, I want to like force myself to read boring books because I just want to know more.
	Yeah.
	You know, but I used to want to go to Harvard.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	So you had dreams like that.
	I wanted to go.
	I just wanted to go because I knew it was like the craziest.
	Like, what do you mean go?
	Like just go there, eat in the student union or something?
	You wanted to go to school there?
	I wanted to go and be a lawyer.
	Which I would have been a fucking terrible lawyer.
	I don't know.
	I hate confrontation.
	Do you?
	I do.
	Some of your, I don't know.
	Some of your energy, I feel like you want the con, you want you, you.
	No, I do.
	You're there for it.
	That's the weird thing.
	It's like the songs are like the part of me that I'm not.
	I'm not a fighter, but in my songs, I'm a fighter.
	Yeah.
	You feel me?
	Yeah.
	But, yeah, no.
	It's like my alter.
	It's like what I, you know.
	Yeah, that's a good point.
	Sometimes we create.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I think when I'm on, I don't feel as confident off of stage as I do when I'm on stage.
	Right.
	I never even thought about that till just now.
	It's just like what you got to get out, you know?
	Yeah.
	Without it, I might be a fighter, you know?
	I could see you doing UFC or something.
	You think so?
	Yeah.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Have you ever done that?
	Have you gone?
	I've gone.
	You never gone?
	No, I want to go really bad.
	Really?
	So bad.
	Yeah, I'll see if I can help you out.
	Please do.
	I really want to see it.
	You would fucking love it, then, dude.
	Yeah.
	Are you kidding me?
	Find a fighter to walk out to one of your songs to, one of those bad bitches that are in the league.
	Oh, wow.
	You've watched women too?
	I watched a woman punch a tit off another woman.
	No.
	Yeah.
	Where'd it go?
	No.
	That didn't happen.
	And if you catch it, you win like a hat or something, or you win like an extra large shirt.
	No, I didn't see that.
	I have seen...
	She had fake eyelashes on?
	Yeah.
	That's crazy to wear that into the ring.
	That's a crazy place to do that.
	She looked good, though.
	She had makeup on.
	Right here.
	Watch this.
	No.
	Yeah.
	No.
	No, don't do that.
	You got to use a stronger glue.
	What's the, what glue are women using on that?
	God damn.
	No, you know what?
	You know what I think?
	Do you know what eyelash extensions are?
	You know exactly what they are?
	Yeah, it's like a fake eyelash.
	You glue it on, huh?
	No, but the ones that they do, like, they'll go in there with, like, tongs and they'll do them individually.
	No.
	With like serious glue.
	And I hope that wasn't that because if it was, her real eyelashes.
	Came out with it.
	Look at how red it is.
	Yeah.
	Because I don't think she's gluing strip lashes.
	You can see it leaving right there.
	No.
	Oh, my God.
	Deal.
	I think that was an extension.
	That girl lost her eyelashes.
	Yeah, it's just that time of year.
	Oh, my God.
	I got to go see that.
	Yeah.
	Do you think there's one tomorrow?
	No, no, no, no, no.
	They have them on Saturdays.
	Every Saturday?
	Yeah.
	You know what, though?
	I will make sure you get to one.
	Please do.
	I'd be forever.
	You're right there by the cage.
	Yeah, dude.
	You're right there by the cage.
	Is that fucked up that we like to watch that as humans?
	No, because I think it goes back.
	I think at first it is fucked up, but then you have to recognize that these guys are fighters and they love doing it.
	It's like, yes, they want to beat each other up, but they also want to show their skill and craft.
	Right, they want to be seen.
	Right.
	Just like a singer, just like anything, a stripper, anything, anything.
	It's like, I want to put myself out there.
	So I think I used to sit there and kind of feel bad, but now I realize I just have maximum respect for both of the men or women that are in there because they're doing exactly what they want to do.
	Yeah, here they put it back on, I guess.
	Or they took the other one off.
	Yeah, no, the one on the her right eye is still on, and you can see it's gone on the.
	It looks like they're gone, though.
	Yeah.
	That's bad.
	Do you party drink?
	I do.
	I dabble.
	I used to a lot more than I do now.
	Really?
	Why?
	I well, high school, like 17 was just rough for me, and I think I like did that to like cope with shit, which is not great.
	But the older I got, the more I just realized how bad it makes you feel.
	Yeah.
	Like I can't tour and drink a lot anymore because it just wrecks me.
	I'll get sick so fast.
	Oh, you have to take care of yourself so much when you tour.
	It's crazy.
	It's actually crazy.
	That's why like the other day people were ripped or you know, Morgan Walling canceled a show.
	It was in Tampa.
	Do you see this?
	And Jellyroll like went and did a show, which I thought was really sweet to try to be helpful.
	But also it's like, and people are like, fuck him or what, you know.
	But it's like, it's so hard.
	And he's been touring for three years.
	Like ever.
	Just straight, right?
	I mean, I think he said maybe a couple months off here and there, but not a long time.
	I mean, I was shocked.
	Remember, he was touring off their first album and then he put out the double out.
	Remember that?
	Yeah, no, he just hasn't stopped touring.
	So I can only fathom that he's pretty burnt at certain moments, you know?
	And then they showed him the night before, it's raining.
	Really?
	He's singing and steam is coming up for it.
	It was like 100 degrees.
	It was like.
	Also, probably a long show.
	Like, he probably has a lot of fucking songs to sing.
	Oh, he puts in a two.
	Yeah, it's like, I think it's a two-hour show.
	Yeah, no, that shit is so.
	I don't know how people do that long of tours and not have to cancel shows.
	Yeah.
	You never want to have to do it, but like, you can't sing if you can't fucking sing.
	Yeah.
	You know?
	How much wear and tear is it really on your voice?
	As a comedian, it's like, you don't, you know, it's some, but it's not.
	Yeah, it's probably really different, huh?
	Yeah, it's more like just making sure your mental state is okay to go out there and build this energy of like, we're having a good time.
	What do you do if you're not?
	I don't know.
	Like, what would be warrants for you to not do a show?
	Or you're just broad talking it regardless?
	You don't have a fucking choice.
	Yeah, no.
	So for me, nothing really, unless I was hurt or unless something really tragic happened in life.
	But for a singer, is it realistic that it could come up to like three or four in the afternoon and you athlete and you're like, I can't do it?
	I mean, it depends.
	Like, fuck, I, I had to cancel one one time.
	I had the stomach flu, but like from hell.
	Like, I couldn't, it was so bad.
	I was just throwing up like, like, I just couldn't like walk very far without like throwing up and shit.
	So I had to cancel it.
	You know, when you're just like weak and shit.
	Oh, yeah.
	I hate that, dude.
	And you try to open a Gatorade and you can't open it.
	You have to knock it out.
	That's how bad it was.
	You're laying on the bathroom floor, just curled up.
	That's the only time I'll do it.
	But I do lose my voice a lot.
	And I just do the show anyways.
	I just hope that they're going to sing.
	Oh, that's why a lot of people go like that to the crowd.
	Yeah, sometimes you got to do it.
	But some people fucking, some people fake it, which is crazy.
	It's not them singing the whole time.
	Some people.
	No, you didn't know that.
	No, I knew that people have been accused of it.
	Mariah Carey does it.
	No.
	No, she doesn't really.
	Mariah Carey?
	Fuck, that's sad.
	I'm just, allegedly, I've heard that she does it.
	Somebody went to one of her shows recently.
	They said, they bring a sof out there and she just lays on the sofa the whole time.
	Like in her pajamas.
	No less.
	Swear to God.
	See if you can find any of it.
	Because can you even imagine?
	Like, you're like, I'll go on tour, but it's exactly how I'm going to be at home.
	And you're just like, she's sitting on the couch and she's not singing.
	You've got to be singing.
	You're fucking with me.
	You have to sing.
	No, some of my friends just went in Vegas.
	They saw her not long ago.
	They're like, she just laid on the couch the whole time in her pajamas and sang.
	They're like, it was cool, but it was also like, this seems pretty crazy.
	I don't buy it.
	It could be mythological, you know, I don't know.
	It's got to be mythological.
	Have you seen that crab that's eating a gusher on the internet?
	No, show me.
	Oh, it's cool.
	What is it?
	It's a crab just eating a gusher.
	See if you can find it.
	What's your for you page like?
	Me?
	Yeah.
	A lot of just positivity, a little bit of tits, probably, honestly, to be honest with you.
	But I just joke.
	I mean, I don't know.
	I haven't been on there in a while.
	Watch Howie's reaction today.
	She remembers.
	Is this the one that I like?
	Yeah, it was.
	Yep.
	Okay.
	You can have whatever you want.
	Here's a gusher.
	There.
	Do you remember gushers?
	You don't want it?
	You don't want gushers?
	I just crab you the damn gusher.
	No.
	Yeah, you want a gusher.
	You remember!
	Yeah!
	Can you do happy mail for gushers?
	Yeah.
	You want more?
	More, you can give him one.
	Oh, it's good.
	It's good.
	Yum, yum, yum.
	Such a messy girl, all the spooky yum.
	I thought me, we got to see her easy.
	She's got to put it in her.
	That's crazy.
	The buildup is wild.
	Yeah.
	I feel like we're being fucked with right now.
	That's the world we live in now.
	Crabs are eating gushers.
	It's just a different time.
	You ever had one?
	A gusher?
	A crab.
	Oh, yeah, dude.
	Yeah.
	Really?
	Oh, yeah.
	I like it.
	I mean, in Louisiana, we had a lot of crabs.
	Y'all didn't have them in Huntsville?
	No.
	Hush puppies.
	I did have one.
	That's the Huntsville thing.
	Is it hush puppies?
	No, what is that?
	A hush puppy.
	Oh, like the food?
	Yeah, it's like a little.
	That's not a Huntsville thing.
	That's an everywhere thing, though.
	Is it?
	Is it?
	I just, they were really normal.
	I thought a hush puppy was from Huntsville, Alabama.
	Is it actually?
	Look at it.
	Where's the home of where did hush puppies get started?
	There's no way.
	Do you like them?
	Hush puppies?
	Yeah, I like the ones that are a little sweeter.
	Ah.
	But I don't like the ones that have like jalapenos in them.
	You don't like jalapenos?
	I like them, but I don't like them in a hush puppy.
	Do you like spicy food a lot?
	Yeah, I don't mind it.
	But I'll fucking get weird if it gets weird.
	It appears that it originated with Native Americans.
	In Southern cuisine, can we find out where?
	I thought it was in Dam Huntsville, Alabama.
	You ever had like a ghost pepper?
	My mom lied.
	I don't know if I have.
	Is it cool?
	I've never had one.
	All right.
	Hey, we ain't going to force that on you, girl.
	Oh, did you see that white horse that they have?
	Where?
	This is an animal I could see you having.
	Where?
	It's the fanciest horse they have, the most expensive horse in the world.
	Are you serious?
	Yeah.
	Two reasons.
	Because it was elected the most beautiful horse in the world because of its coat.
	It's a coat that is somewhat silvery.
	Wow.
	As you can see here.
	Wow.
	It's just magnificent, and it comes from a lineage of racehorses with a great track record.
	So it's for these two reasons that at auction, it went for over $50 million.
	Holy shit.
	There's a lot of people.
	Can you imagine $50 million for a horse?
	Well, of course, it's just magnificent.
	$50 million?
	I'd pet that thing all night.
	Do you like horses?
	I like them, but I think they gotta like you, you know?
	They have to like you.
	But that's expensive.
	Dude, I remember the first time I ever stayed in an expensive hotel room, I was afraid to even go to sleep.
	I was like, dude, this is like $600 a night, dude.
	I ain't sleeping.
	You didn't sleep?
	No, I ain't.
	I ain't wasting the money.
	So you just stayed up.
	Oh, you closed your eyes.
	That's $11, dude.
	It's like, I'm definitely going to get my money's worth.
	I know exactly what you're talking about.
	It's so crazy sometimes.
	Do you guys ever get stopped by the police in your tour bus?
	I don't think so.
	No, only like border crossings and shit.
	Yeah, to Canada?
	Yeah.
	You ever got in trouble?
	You on a tour bus?
	We do tour bus and sometimes, yeah, sometimes we fly, but we'll do tour bus a lot.
	Have you ever had any good run-ins with the police?
	No, I mean, shit like getting like chased like in high school.
	Yeah.
	Like for trespassing and stuff.
	Oh, dude, we had this guy.
	He got so high, right?
	He fucking called, he couldn't feel his arms.
	He said he's like, he said he didn't have any arms.
	Oh, and he called the police?
	Huh?
	He said he didn't have any arms.
	Starts yelling, bro, for people to call the police.
	So the fucking police come.
	He started, he said, these people, I think he was on, I don't know, some type of drugs.
	He's like, these guys stole my arms, dude, right?
	Fucking goes like that towards us.
	Towards you?
	Here's the dumbest part.
	Oh, no.
	The dumbest part.
	The cop comes over and goes like this, like we have his arms.
	The motherfucker has his arms on him.
	Yeah, oh, I swear to God, the guy was super high.
	Dude, one night, my buddy Billy invites me over.
	He was working at a gas station all night.
	He invites me over there.
	We smoke a little bit of weed.
	I went outside.
	I don't know if I went outside to get someone in my car or something.
	He felt so high, he thought that I poisoned him, right?
	He locks himself in the gas station, calls the police.
	Yeah.
	Because he got you poisoned.
	Yeah.
	So I was like, I'm fucking out of here.
	Oh, you ran?
	I left.
	Yeah.
	I didn't do anything.
	And then the cops show up and like- Where was this at?
	This was in Madisonville, Louisiana, beautiful area.
	Is weed illegal there?
	I don't know if it's illegal or not, but it's not that good a weed.
	Do you have a opener on your new tour?
	Is that even put together yet or you don't know?
	No, I'm thinking about people.
	You got any ideas?
	I know you got ideas.
	I'm going to think of some and let you know.
	What kind of stuff do you like?
	I know you had Charlie on Friday on one of your tours.
	Yeah.
	And who was on your last tour?
	Shibuzzi and his character, right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Him and Matt Schmooster.
	Oh, I don't know.
	I'm not familiar with him.
	Yo, you would like his shit.
	He has a crazy voice.
	Matt Schmooster?
	Yeah.
	Fuck.
	I might be saying that wrong, but I, yeah.
	Crazy.
	Matt Schuster?
	Yeah.
	Oh, fuck.
	Schuster.
	It's a crazy last name, to be fair.
	But no, crazy voice.
	Wow.
	So you were going, you were closing the show?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And Shibuzi was, and that's when he was really blowing up.
	This was like two months ago, maybe?
	Wow.
	This is right before he went crazy.
	That must have been kind of crazy.
	It was crazy.
	It's been so sick seeing him go crazy.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it's unbelievable.
	He has another song out there now that people are vibing to.
	I don't know what it is, though.
	He's got a couple.
	The album was so fucking good.
	I got to listen to more of it.
	You got to listen.
	I know.
	You like sad stuff, huh?
	Don't tell anyone yet.
	Yeah, his song was Noah Cyrus.
	I feel like you'd like.
	Oh, did I meet her?
	Oh, I met Brandy Cyrus the other day.
	That's the mom?
	No, Brandy's one of the children, I think.
	Oh, really?
	Is Noah a child of it?
	Noah Cyrus?
	She's so good.
	Did I meet her?
	No, she's pretty.
	Brandy, I met.
	Yeah, that's it.
	Who's damn Ron Cyrus?
	I don't even know.
	That's a big family right there.
	Yeah, that's a lot of family.
	So you're thinking of people now?
	How does that work?
	You just pick somebody.
	No.
	Yeah.
	But I'm sure a lot of agents submit people through your agents.
	Like, what about this guy?
	100%.
	Yeah.
	And do you have to listen?
	Do you feel like you have pressure to listen to any of that?
	It depends on ticket sales.
	Like, if you, if you, like, sell out, then you can pick whoever you want.
	Oh.
	Is your tour on sale yet?
	No.
	I haven't announced it yet.
	It'll sell out.
	I hope so.
	I'm really excited.
	I'll be doing my first arena show, which is really sick.
	Oh, that's crazy.
	I'm really excited about it.
	Yeah, dude.
	Some of your songs, they were like, yeah.
	Some of them are so great.
	I don't want to sing them because I don't want people to think I'm that weird anymore.
	Which ones do you know?
	Oh, let me think.
	There was a song, oh, What Happened to Ryan, that song?
	Damn.
	I remember that was kind of a, like, it was like kind of strange that I was like, oh, this one's fucking kind of crazy.
	Sad.
	Yeah, sad.
	Any of the sad shit, I was there for it.
	Damn, I got to send you a playlist.
	Of sad shit?
	Yeah.
	Do not do it, dude.
	I'm already on pills and shit, man.
	I don't want to fucking, I don't want this to be how it ends, you know?
	Fuck, I'm not doing nothing.
	Coffin music.
	That'll be your next album, you know?
	That's a crazy thought.
	Dude, there's a video.
	there was like a church or something and they were doing a, and, uh, whoever was doing the audio visual accidentally played a, played, um, played a song or played a clip of mine.
	See if you find that, Nick.
	I don't want to keep you too long.
	Just so yeah, tell me something else before you leave.
	Anything?
	Oh, did you ever have any pets growing up what was that like I did I have a crab oh you did and it died and I killed it on accident nah yeah and let me tell you how happened so I had a crab just one yes okay its name was bubbles and then it had a shell and you know when you go to the beach you ever been to Orange Beach oh yeah right good time huh great time dude so I got it there and it had a shell but you know how they have like the painted shells you can buy different shells oh
	really and what do you get them done at like a salon or whatever no they just have them somebody else is dumb already oh and you put it on your crab you're not supposed to apparently so I get the shell and I didn't it had like a bad one on so I took it out and so and I tried to put it into the new shell and it just wouldn't and then it died that was it yeah I haven't had pets since then no should I get another one I'm trying to think if you're trying to get something you know what you're thinking about getting I probably shouldn't do a crab again it's probably wraps feed it a gusher dude if you do you
	think so you know they like them girl get that was a big crab that's huh that's crazy you can walk that thing I'll watch one of them bitches eat a nerd rope homie I don't give a fuck dog next time I see you I'm gonna bring you a crab I'll give a damn Twizzler to a dolphin no dude bring me a damn crab dude play this video right here this is at a church would you keep it matter if you want to kick a fat get at K market that's at a funeral that's
	at a funeral oh they were leading prayers it can't be real they all said amen somebody played that on accident that's that might be my favorite clip I've seen all day oh amen I like that look at this you see this whale return somebody's phone they dropped it in the water that's a whale that's a dolphin right I mean it's like a it's like a
	trans dolphin or whatever do you know about sea rubber yeah I've heard about it you know about the dolphins have you ever heard about dolphin births like people can I don't know if this is safe but people can give birth and the dolphins deliver your baby for you it's like a real thing what do you mean you've never heard of that how could i ever heard of it because it's not even something it no it is something i promise you you what are you saying like a midwife that's a dolphin yes i swear it's a thing unless i'm confused but i really think this and where do you do it in the
	deep end or whatever was this at a hampton inn this isn't that thing that happened in um outside of waco was it it could have been no i think it's a thing it's an option it's an option at sea world no look it's a real thing i've never seen this oh my god that thing's a pervert they help you get it that woman's married somebody tell that dolphin dolphin assisted birth a newer take on water births is apparently a trend growing in popularity the serious institute in hawaii
	a new age center dedicated to encouraging the bonds between dolphins and humans often assisted childbirth however it's unclear if any women have actually gone through with it one couple from north carolina traveled to the center for prenatal bonding but the actual birth with dolphins didn't happen wow somebody's had to do it though if it's a trending thing according to a website pioneering russian midwife igor sharkarvsky began assisting births in the black sea with dolphins that live there
	some of the reported occurrences included a mother and a baby playing with the dolphin within 45 minutes of the birth another instance of a free dolphin escorting a newborn human baby to the surface for its first breath so it comes out underwater bro let me tell you this um if my baby is born i'm not giving it to a fucking dolphin dude for even 30 seconds it what if it swims off with it that's a crazy
	thought no i think you have to do it but then you're like oh it didn't work or what how you can tell your wife or it just eats your baby oh that's a fucked up thought but this is a thing though um they said it's therapeutic you know what's also therapeutic taking the child home safely and feeding him and probably homeschooling him and making sure that your home is protected with a ring camera i mean this just seems fucking insane like how weird people
	get too weird dude somebody in la has definitely oh some pervert somebody you know has probably done that yeah one of your friends oh i don't have friends one of your friends probably done that jesse murph i don't have friends you should talk to them um do you have any new mentors that have come into your life uh through um like you know sometimes you meet some of your favorites and you meet any of them that like kind of uh like has madonna spoken to you no that would be wild though i
	don't know there are people i look up to a lot that i know like communication like like a dele i fucking love adele really i look up to her so much yeah i think she's incredible yeah she's magical huh she's magical you've seen her live no i've seen her in person somewhere but i never seen her live really um i want to see it really bad yeah did you ever perform right after at a venue as her or anything like that no i performed in some of the same venues maybe because i mean she went on like smaller tours earlier in her career yeah
	but no i don't know she plays in vegas a lot i think yeah i don't know but did she ever reach out no but i don't know how this happened but she like signed a set list somebody got it for me for my birthday i think it was just a somebody was like can you please do this she probably did it but i don't know it's on my wall and it's my favorite thing i own really oh yeah what about you um let me think if somebody gave me something that was real nice one time um uh
	the guy that's in better call saw one time i think i was performing somewhere after him and he left me a nice note what'd he say he said have fun i was just here wow you have it on your wall nope bob odin curt but he wrote it, signed it.
	Thought it was pretty nice of him.
	What's special?
	What do I have that's something that's real special?
	Yeah, what's the best gift you've ever received?
	Or so what's something that if you could only hang one thing on your wall, what are you hanging?
	Oh, that's such a good question.
	One thing.
	I don't know.
	I can't even answer, I don't think.
	That's a crazy question.
	There's a nice piece of art my friend painted like it was like the first piece of art I ever got and maybe I would hang that there I guess what does it look like?
	It's just a picture of Chris Farley who's that he's a comedian.
	He was in a movie called Tommy Boy Black Sheep.
	He's like a famous actor.
	That's him.
	He died though.
	I've seen him somewhere.
	Yeah, he used to do like he did films like Adam Sandler, David Spade.
	He was on Saturday Night Live.
	He did like fat guy in a little coat.
	He used to do like all kinds of like sketches and shit.
	I know I've seen him somewhere.
	Yeah, yeah, you've seen him.
	He was like unbelievably famous.
	He was like the most famous guy that they ever had.
	Was he?
	I mean, look at him.
	He's wow.
	What movie is this?
	No, this is him just going on like a talk show.
	Oh, fuck, obviously.
	Fuck.
	Wow.
	Wow.
	Yeah, dude.
	My friend said he would just puke.
	Like my buddy would go over to his place sometimes and he's like, he would just puke on the side of his bed and then just like between like the wall and the bed.
	Yo, what?
	For why?
	Just to party.
	Just to be like that.
	Dude, my friend Jeff.
	So you ever heard that song?
	It's an old song.
	It's like, you gotta keep them separated.
	No, maybe.
	Keep going.
	Oh, yeah.
	Are you talking back to me?
	Bury him out.
	You gotta keep them separated.
	Come out and play.
	Yes, yes, I've heard that.
	Well, you're getting a tattoo now.
	You're getting ink done.
	Anyway, my friend Jeff, he had like anger issues or whatever, and he would just, he would get angry.
	He would go in his room, he would play that song, and he would just beat the fuck punch holes all in the walls.
	That's all he would do.
	Just to that song, you think?
	Yeah.
	That was the only one.
	Oh, we could tell when he was mad because in there you could hear the walls like not doing well.
	And then here's what would happen, though.
	Every year at Christmas, his parents would get his walls redone for him in the room.
	He would fucking do it again.
	This was at his family home?
	Yeah, at his family home.
	And then I saw this band one time in Vegas and I told the lead singer, like this is the lead singer of Offspring.
	And I was like, bro, you are never going to fucking believe this.
	And they died laughing.
	It was pretty awesome.
	Before you go, love life.
	Is it harder to date as you get more popular?
	Yeah, no, I think I'm just, it's hard when you're busy, you know, and when you're touring a lot, I think.
	Oh, yeah.
	But yeah, I don't know.
	Yeah, it's hard to build something because you're kind of on the go and your career, like, it almost has to come first sometimes.
	It has to come first.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	I mean, what do you do?
	My career is just like, I've worked so hard that my career takes first place.
	It's got to.
	Most of the time, even if I don't want it to.
	It's like, I have to do this tomorrow.
	I have to do this.
	It's like, I'd love to.
	A lot of times it'd be like, yeah, look, I would like to do that, but I just can't right now, you know?
	But then you start to think, oh, well, then like, yeah, at some point there'll be times where I don't have to tour as much.
	And then maybe I could try to devote more attention to it.
	Because it takes attention, too.
	It takes attention and it takes like care, I think.
	Yeah.
	But fuck, I mean, but do you ever see yourself, I mean, at some point, I'm sure, but is there ever going to be a point where you're not touring, though?
	It's a good question.
	And then you bring your family on tour and then they got to help out.
	Yeah.
	And your wife's selling merch or whatever and calling you an asshole at night, you know, outside of a fucking waffle house or something somewhere.
	You're like, that's what you think?
	I mean, I think you got to, you know, hope for the best.
	You know, I think so.
	Dirty, that's the new single that's available now with Teddy Swims.
	With Teddy Swims.
	So freaking cool.
	And then These Men Are Gonna Die.
	What's it called the album?
	These men are gonna die.
	I'm always gonna be a fan, Jesse Murph.
	Likewise.
	Yep.
	I'm locked in.
	You're the man.
	Thank you so much.
	You remind me of like Women M a little bit.
	Like you're like kind of like, because you have this, like, he always seems like he has this a little bit of a chip on his shoulder, but he manages it well a little.
	Women M is real good.
	Is that?
	It's real good.
	I like that a lot.
	Women M. Thank you for saying that if you don't.
	Ladies and gentlemen, Jesse Murph, thank you so much and best of luck with your new album.
	I can't wait to get a hold of it.

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