KSI is a content creator, professional boxer, musician and entrepreneur based in London. He is known for co-founding the drink brand Prime with Logan Paul, his work with the YouTube group Sidemen, and much more.
KSI joins Theo to chat about his journey in content, business and music, growing up a Nigerian kid in London, and the recent takeoff of his brand Prime (and how he almost passed on it).
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Today's guest is a Renaissance man, to say the least.
He's a YouTuber, content creator, entertainer, boxer, promoter, musician.
He's a boss in his industry, and it keeps expanding.
He's now a co-owner of Prime Sports Drink.
And I'm grateful to sit down with him today here in the London, Great Britain.
today's guest is mr k s i I'll sit and tell you stories.
Shine on me.
I love you.
How are you, bro?
How are you finding England?
Huh?
How are you finding England?
Oh, I'm finding it.
Yeah, probably one of the best audiences I ever had over in Manchester, actually.
Wow.
Yeah.
Yeah, they're pretty wild over there.
They were everybody.
Yeah, just laughing.
Like the last week of school where you're just hoping you can convince the teacher, like you have four more days to convince the teacher you were good the whole time.
Oh, wow.
They were just locked in.
I love it.
Because, yeah, some places it's kind of different.
Like Ireland, sometimes you're like, because they speak English, but they kind of barely, you know.
Yeah, it feels like a different language.
Even in Scotland as well, it can be quite hard.
Have you ever met a sculptor?
No, I've seen Patty Pemblett.
Yeah, it's pretty much that, but it can be quite, yeah, it can be really aggressive.
Patty Pemblett kind of reminds me of the most violent Beatle.
Like if he were one of the Beatles, you know?
It would be like Ringo, McCartney.
Oh, I thought you meant an actual Beatle.
Oh, no.
Yeah, but that's just showing my age.
I'm like, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, that's a different.
Yeah.
So we're back to bugs.
Yeah, they were just...
Oh, yeah, yeah, of course.
I mean, they've kind of, I guess they have maybe fallen off.
I don't know if we can say that.
But fuck, they're the Beatles, man.
I mean, do those type of eyes ever fall off?
I guess?
That's a good question.
Have the Beatles fallen off?
I mean, technically, yes.
But if you said that, like, surely you're getting riots at your front door.
Yeah, I mean, I think, yeah, there would be some people definitely run to their windows in Liverpool and scoff or whatever, you know?
Scoff.
Yeah, like, that's one thing.
Like, even being.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Like a woman just will touch the, even though her button's already buttoned, she'll touch it one more time just to make sure.
Oh, my God.
How damn.
That's one thing that's crazy about being over here is just like seeing where like America started, you know?
Okay.
And seeing like how like a little bit more technical things are and people have a little bit more respect for how they communicate with each other, it seems like at least in London.
Yeah.
No, I feel like it's completely opposite.
I feel like if you go up to a normal person, like just walking down the road and you go, oh, good morning.
Everyone would be like, what the fuck are you doing?
Here in London?
Yes.
Oh, wow.
They'd be like, that was one of the weirdest things you've ever done.
Don't talk to me.
Yeah.
Like in America, it happens all the time.
Like I was in North Carolina a few weeks ago and people were just complimenting on what I was wearing.
I was like, what the this is weird?
But in England, if I complimented, oh, I was there like, oh, wow, nice shoes.
You're there like, I'm getting robbed, aren't I?
Oh, really?
But at least they're properly robbing you.
Like, hey, I'd like to let you know you have nice shoes.
I'm going to take them.
They're mine now.
Yeah.
I feel like there's at least a protocol of violence here.
Okay, well, in America, is there no protocol?
It's just willy-nilly.
Bang-bang.
Yeah, even if you like, yeah, it's crazy because they'll even have like the telephones.
Like at the Apple store, we'll be tethered, right?
Yeah.
But at the gun place, you can just, you know, you can, they're not even tied down.
Oh, wow.
You would think.
Well, apparently you don't even need ID for guns.
But you have to at least, you have to, you have to be able to say, yes, I need it.
You have to answer a couple questions.
I think.
Yes.
If you can say yes, you might.
Yeah, and they have one sign.
It's like, you have to be this tall to own a gun.
But it's very short.
Okay.
So you can have like a five-year-old who's just down like a tall five-year-old.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
A small gun.
You know how to use one of these.
I love it.
Oh, amazing, man.
I've been there so many times.
Dude, it's a pleasure to see you, man.
One of the best content creators and entertainers in England and a business guy.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Dude, that's crazy.
It's funny because England is so small.
Oh, it is.
Yeah, well, I mean, it is, yeah.
But so much.
Compared to America, like if you said that exact same phrase, but in America, everyone's there, like, yo, that's sick.
But in England, it's like, bro, like, France is bigger than that.
Oh, yeah, sorry, dude.
No, no, it's fine.
Bro, honestly.
Out of England.
I don't take myself seriously, so it's fine.
Out of England and over the world.
When you look at like business stuff, were there some small choices you made along the way in your career that like you were like, oh, wow, that was bigger than I thought?
Or were there things that you kind of passed up where you're like, maybe that, or like that was a learning curve?
Because you guys get thrown so many products.
I mean, people come at me with all types of stuff, you know, like do these band-aids or something and do these neck braces.
It's like, I'm not even hurt or anything.
And they want you to.
To be honest, I say no a lot.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, just, I get so many things thrown at me.
Something to do with lube, you know, creating my own lube.
It could be a good idea, but I'm just there.
Like, why?
For the autos, or no, for the...
I don't know what you mean.
Or for like, is it a lube for mechanics?
For like an engineering type of like a.
No, no, for sex.
Oh, all right.
Yeah.
Now, if you could do a dual lube, then you know what I'm saying?
Like, if you're.
Yeah, just.
Hey, this tire's not turning.
Neither is this woman.
So you could, like, you know, I think if you could leverage that now, that's.
Yeah, you know what?
You might be on to something.
That's an option.
Well, why me?
I don't know.
But you're a multi.
You can do a lot.
Yeah, I guess I do many things.
You do many things?
Dancy to music.
It's more lovable sex these days.
Oh, that's funny.
Like tickling each other until somebody comes together.
Whereas before it was like, oh, I need to show that I'm the dog.
That I'm the alpha.
Yeah, I've never, I've always come from the approach of I'm not good at sex.
So that, so then when you do well, people are like, wow.
Look what he did, you know?
Pleasantly surprising.
Oh, yeah, definitely.
Like, I've had some.
You could do that.
Yeah.
I've had some real Billy Elliott moments in the bedroom, you know, just.
I don't know who Billy Elliott is.
He's no worries.
He's a famous.
What is he?
He's like a famous.
He was like a kid in who was, who was Billy Elliott?
Can we bring him up?
He was a famous dancer, kind of.
Yeah, he's a famous ballerina, yeah.
Oh.
Ballerina.
The kids were like, he's.
Oh, wow.
Okay.
Yeah.
He was like a famous ballerina out of where?
He's from the UK, I think.
Wow.
And his dad and everybody was like, hey, hey, what is he doing?
Oh, wow.
But then he said, yeah, he ended up just being like the best ballerina or whatever.
And at the end, his dad hugged him or whatever.
Oh, you know, bought him a sandwich or something.
Something very loving, you know?
Yeah, yeah.
It's not what you looked at.
Well, it's just like people are like, oh, this dude, like, if this guy shows up and does well, you're like, wow.
Whoa, here's a sandwich.
Yeah.
It's out of the ball.
Maybe that's what the movie's about.
I don't think I watched it.
Yeah, fan.
Oh, my God.
But were there choices of things that you did, like, pass up where you were like, oh, that was smart.
Like, at the time, I couldn't see it.
Like, just because having vision like that is interesting and important, you know?
Well, I mean, I can tell you a bad situation where I decided to do this video with some Asian content creator.
It was, I don't know why I did it.
Well, I did know why I did it because I got asked to do it for about like 5k at the time.
And for me, back then, it was huge.
That was a lot of money.
So I'd just be in this video and I had to like collect balls while being attached to him.
So I was also in like Lycra or just like a really tight morph suit.
Okay.
And we had to just be attached to each other and collect balls.
That sounds very pull Billy Elliott back up again, if you will.
I think we're going to.
So now we've each had.
So that was one I probably regret.
I'm sure if you look hard on the internet, you'll be able to find some?
Yeah.
Yeah, we had a group.
They had a dude.
They tried to get me to do wheelchairs.
A buddy of mine made like a new style of wheelchair.
You know, they have wheelchairs here in England?
You know what I'm talking about?
Yeah, yeah, we have wheelchairs in it.
Like that?
Yeah.
I don't know if sometimes they have it differently, but.
What the hell?
Okay.
Well, people here are more like even Tiny Tim.
He's like a famous British kid from the Christmas movie I'm talking about or whatever.
Tiny Tim.
And he's on crutches, right?
Like he wasn't in a wheelchair.
Maybe that's what my brain is.
Oh, fad.
All right.
All right.
So, yeah, you guys seem like you have a little bit more like, at least I'm going to do the crutches.
Whereas in America, we're kind of lazy.
We're like, oh, okay.
Okay.
I hear you.
But yeah, my buddy, I was trying to help him out.
He had like this prosthetics business and wheelchair business.
And so, you know, I did a couple of photo shoots and like some wheelchairs and shit.
But then people were like, well, you're not even, you're like faking being, like, you're not disabled or whatever.
So people got, you know, very upset about it.
So, well, how do you feel about like actors having to be, let's say, if they had to be, I know, disabled and they weren't actually disabled, do you think they should or shouldn't?
I'd be pissed if I'm watching the commercial for it.
Yeah.
Right.
And then at the end, the guy gets up and walks off out of the chair.
I'd be a little bit like, well, that's a magic chair.
Yeah, yeah.
That sounds great.
So maybe like, yeah, I don't know.
That was just something interesting.
But then there's a guy, a friend of mine who's a comedian in the States.
He told me one time, the one thing you can always say is just no.
Like if you don't know what to do, then just say no.
Because you're probably okay where you're at and then you can figure it out.
Yeah.
Well, I feel like I've got quite far by just saying no.
I mean, obviously, I'm glad I said yes to Prime.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I feel like that was definitely a dub.
Yeah, for sure, man.
It's unbelievable.
I mean, that's something like that.
Does something like that change your life to like a different perspective, even for yourself?
I mean, that's remarkable.
I don't think it's changed me as a person, but it's changed my lifestyle.
Yeah, I just have a lot more private jets now, which is, yeah, more private jets.
More lunch.
More lunch.
I'm able to relax a lot more.
I'm able to just, yeah, not worry about too much, look after the family, etc.
Like, yeah, it's just now it's like I can really just do what I want.
Whereas, you know, before prime, I'm still like, I was still able to do what I want, but like, I had to be more strategic, etc.
And, you know, like, I guess play the game a bit more.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, congrats, man.
Yeah.
I mean, it's valued at billions of dollars, that company.
Well, it's, it's taken us a lot of hard work to get to that point.
It's just, I think people don't realize, because you see people trying to replicate left, right, and center.
Yeah.
Just the marketing you have to do.
Like, especially the first year, we traveled so much from America to Europe to all these different places just to promote.
Like day after day, like just doing appearances.
Yeah, yeah, and just doing PR left, right, and center, just to constantly get prime in people's faces.
Yeah.
It was intense and like it's quite draining on the body.
But like, you know, we knew the vision.
We knew we had a product that was going to fly.
You know, it tastes great and, you know, it's better than our competitors.
So yeah.
My nephew has two primes before he goes to sleep.
Okay.
Yeah.
And he's doing pretty good.
He's, he has his dreams, he said, are pretty good.
So I think that's why he enjoys it as like kind of a dream enhancer.
But he's kind of a unique kid.
But I think he's only about eight or nine.
But yeah, he'll put away some prime before bed.
But yeah, I think it's just wild when something like that happens.
And people don't see how much has to go into it.
How many like just places you have to show up at appearances?
Whose plan was Prime?
Was it just you guys had come together and Logan came to me and he was like, oh, you know, I've got this idea with two other guys that we work with when it comes to Prime.
And he was like, yeah, we should try and work together.
So I was there like, all right, first of all, you know, we were first in a boxing match.
So I don't know.
Yeah, yeah, I remember.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I don't know.
Chill, bro.
But, you know, I was there, like, I wanted to get, you know, really understand the product, you know, know who the other two guys were and just really understand everything.
And, you know, at first, I was a bit unsure.
You know, I tried the product.
The product was fine.
I was like, oh, it just tastes really good.
And then, yeah, we just went with it.
Wow.
So it's crazy.
Do we actually have like a prime?
I can.
Oh, okay.
Well, have you ever had one?
I've had one.
Oh, okay.
But no, it's you can see, I think it's at the bottom where it says made by the Prime team.
So it was going to be KSI and Logan, but because I left just before the launch, they changed it to the Prime team.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So do you have to fight your way back in or do you just- They definitely were like, yo, we want you back and we need this.
Yeah, yeah.
So, wow, that's crazy.
You were that close.
This close to being like, no, to Prime.
Yeah.
Wow.
And what was it?
Was it just a feeling where you like pray about it one night?
You were like, I'm going to see how I feel tomorrow.
We're like, you're just going to trust your instincts a little bit more.
Because that's crazy, dude.
That's crazy to be.
Because I've been close on little things where you're like, nothing like Prime, but you know, different opportunities where like, this doesn't feel right.
Yeah.
No, it was just, you know, there was just a few things that were happening and I was just like, oh, I wasn't too sure.
And then once those things got rectified, I was there like, yeah, I'm all in.
Let's do it.
Wow.
That's fucking incredible.
Congratulations.
Thank you.
Yeah, because to then create a product that does so well, that's like, yeah, that's after you have some success, it feels like that's what everybody tries to get you to do.
Yeah, yeah.
Do this toothpaste.
Do this, you know.
Yeah, yeah.
So I get people wanting me to do everything.
Yeah, but thinking it's just going to be like Prime.
It's just, you know, it's going to be hard to replicate something like Prime.
Yeah, and why would you, yeah, I mean, it would be silly.
But people are always trying to get me like, yeah, do these knee braces.
A lot of stuff for me is like physical.
Knee brace.
Or like, pull up a knee brace if you can, brother.
Wait.
You guys have a mirror?
Do you have bad knees?
No.
But it's just the kind of shit you get approached with, you know?
Being in this movie, I look at these action knee braces, they were called.
And I'm like, well, first of all, if somebody's in a knee brace, should they be action knee braces?
You know what I'm saying?
Like, they're already not doing all this stuff.
Why would they come to you?
I think, I don't know.
I think I'm on some email list or something, but I get hit up with a lot of this shit, neck braces.
Okay.
Do you get into injuries a lot?
No.
I feel like something like that would be great for jackass.
Yes.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, like, okay, they get injured a lot.
Here's them selling a knee brace or a neck brace.
So I got to get a new agent or whatever.
But yeah, I've had some pretty bad offers.
What else was I thinking about, dude?
Oh, yeah, it's been interesting being over here.
You know, I like London way more than I thought I was going to.
Okay.
Like yesterday, we just got to walk around and just see what it was like.
Well, did you get recognized a lot?
Yeah, you meet a lot of people.
Oh, sick.
Where people asking you like, oh, do something funny?
No.
Do you get that a lot as a comedian?
I want to take photos.
You usually just photo or say something.
Sometimes somebody wants to share, like maybe they had an experience that you've talked about on podcasting because we talk about a lot of just regular life stuff.
and so sometimes you'll have people say, Hey, man, you know, this is an experience that was going on in my life and it was similar to yours and stuff.
And sometimes that's the toughest part about popularity in some ways is you used to have more time for that kind of thing, you know, but now you could run into somebody on every block and you could spend your whole day kind of like listening to someone's story.
So you have to just try and manage your best, you know, I think in dealing with that.
Would you, would you say, I mean, this might be deep, but do you think popularity is a prison?
Yeah.
Oh, wow.
Yeah, I think it's a responsibility.
It's interesting.
It's kind of an escape room, maybe.
Okay.
Because I think you can figure out how to manage it, but I think it surprises you.
There's different levels of it.
You're like, okay, people see me now and then it's kind of fun.
And then there's times where I think it gets kind of scary.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I'm sure at your level, you get to the point where you almost have to fly private because you couldn't see it.
Well, it's just because it just, it'd be easier.
Right.
That's what I mean.
Like for me, a lot of times I do things just to make my life as easy as possible.
Yeah.
Because, I mean, you know, I can easily take an economy flight left, right, and center.
Like, and I probably will when I have a kid because I don't want them to think, oh, you know, PJs are the like, I wouldn't want my child thinking, you know, all these crazy things that I do.
Yeah, that kid's going to be on a mule back.
That fucking kid is taking the bus.
No way, brother.
Yeah, we're taking a bus.
Oh, yeah, brother.
We're going to walk.
Kid's going to be like, why are all these people just staring at us?
Dad, why do I have this?
Why am I in this wheelchair?
We're slowing it down, son.
You got to go through it.
But no, I think yep, that popularity is interesting.
Yeah, like, I mean, would you trade, if you could keep your finances, would you trade your popularity, you think?
Oh, 100%.
Wow, yeah.
Yeah, if I could just keep all the money I have and not be famous, I'd do that easily.
Yeah, but it's crazy.
Like, you get a lot of people who have a lot of money want fame.
And I don't think they realize that it's a lot of responsibility because you have so many people that look up to you.
And as a human being, you're going to fuck up.
Yeah.
So as soon as you fuck up, bro, the onslaught of the mob.
It's just, it's so much to deal with.
And then to then have to, you know, rectify it and fix it and show the world that, you know, you are human and that you're going to improve and learn from your mistakes, et cetera.
Yeah, it's a lot, man.
It goes, you know, I've gone through that so many times, bro.
Like, where I've messed up so many times because it's just, I'm, yeah.
Once you had a product, that was a bigger, because then it's almost a responsibility that your behavior could even affect the.
Exactly.
That has to be a whole nother different thing.
Yeah, yeah.
So, like, imagine if Prime was on the stock market.
Yeah.
And, you know, I, I don't know.
I, like, I said something that just pissed off a load of people all of a sudden.
A bunch of Arsenal fans or something.
Well.
If you pissed off a bunch of like, yeah, like.
No, what?
Like, no, I suppose.
Oh, you do?
Okay.
Oh, like, yeah, a bunch of like Manchester units.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, yeah, like, imagine they just plummet my stock because of it.
Yeah.
I have to be so careful.
I have to be so like, oh, everyone is great.
And, like, I have no real opinion.
Yeah, yeah.
It's weird because you kind of trade a part of you.
More of you gets traded away in a way.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
If that makes sense.
And yeah, not trying to complain about things, but trying to see.
It's interesting having a life where in your life you have some popularity or you have fame.
It's just interesting to even see what it's like.
Like, not that it's even if it's happening to you, it's just you're still like, it's just, it's interesting to be like, okay, this is what this is like.
But don't get me wrong, there are pros as well.
Like, oh, yeah.
If I, you know, let's say I want to go to a restaurant and it's fully booked, you know, I hit up my PA and all of a sudden there's a slot.
You know what I mean?
Like, that's the benefit of, you know, being having fame.
Like it gives you opportunities, more opportunities.
Yeah.
But then I guess if you have a load of money, you can just buy the restaurant and then it's always free.
No matter what.
Yeah, that's a good point, dude.
What else was I thinking about, man?
I wanted to ask you.
Well, you know, with haircuts, I know this is super random.
Yeah.
But so do you have a guy that you always go to?
No, I have a woman sometimes, and then I'll cut my own hair too, depending on what kind of time of year it is.
In the fall, I'm more likely to let a woman, this lovely haircutter lady I know, cut it.
In the spring, I tend to cut my own hair.
You cut your own hair.
Yeah, I'll just cut my own, you know, cut it, lift it, cut it.
How'd you do that?
Oh, yeah, it's easy.
You just kind of pull it straight, cut it, and then you do the same as many places as you can, you know?
Surely, like, it's a bit all over the place.
Oh, it doesn't look great.
But, you know, but you've done it.
Yeah, yeah.
And I enjoy it because I'm in the kind of guy who I'll be looking in the mirror like, I need a haircut right now.
Okay.
And so I want to get it together.
Damn.
It stressed me out.
So basically, I have a guy that I always go to.
Really?
But yeah, like always, his name's F, one of the best barbers of all man, or all mankind.
But I was in North Carolina and I decided like, fuck, my hair is fucked right now.
I'm going to get a haircut.
And I just apparently, well, not apparently, I did get a barber in North Carolina.
And he fucked me up, man.
Oh, fuck, man.
Well, I don't know.
Like, so normally with my bandana, like, you don't normally see this, but, like, it is just, it's a mess, bro.
Like, even at the back as well, I was talking to Steve.
Steve was there, like, bro, he fucked you up, man.
Oh, fuck.
Like, at the back, and I was just like, man.
So, yeah.
There's so much crime over there.
There's so much black on black crime.
Yeah, bro.
I can't believe he did that to me, man.
And it's just a kind of.
No, he's there to ruin my life.
So I have to wait for this to grow out.
And until then, I'm just getting blasted.
Everyone's there, like, Bro, your hairline's receding, let it go.
Oh, yeah, bro.
And I'm like, no, it's not.
It's the barber.
He's fucked me up, man.
Just leave me alone.
Long day.
Just leave me alone, man.
Yeah.
Bro, my fan base is savage.
Like, they're right or die.
Like, they will protect me from Antarctica to fucking Poland.
Yeah.
Why Poland?
Well, I was just trying to think of another place on the globe.
Yeah.
I wish I'd have picked a different one, but I just picked Poland.
Yeah.
So let's move on.
But then you get some segments of my fan base that are into like, for example, fan fiction.
Yeah.
Have you.
Fan fiction?
No, I'm not familiar with it.
So it's where your fan base creates scenarios for you.
So for some reason, my scenarios are always me just doing sexual things with my friends.
Oh, yeah.
Who are all men.
Oh, wow.
Okay.
So being gay or whatever.
I think it's.
Yeah, it's okay.
I mean, people are.
Well, you've never had fan fiction.
I've never had.
I've never.
You've never had someone go, oh, yeah, check this out.
Send your whole story of Theo Vaughn.
No, and it's just like a romantic story.
Yeah, just ragdolling something.
And some man, am I in prison?
Well, you know, it could be anything.
Like one of your best friends.
Oh, God.
Well, give me a...
Oh, wow.
That would be easy, I feel like.
He seems like, first of all, he's very easy to catch.
He can't escape.
He doesn't have any...
I don't think he would be able to get away.
So he'd be more of like a pincushion of a man.
He'd just be like, oh, it's gone then.
You've caught me.
Yeah.
He'd be like, oh, you caught me.
But he would wear a bra or something.
Bobby is a very...
No way.
I've been in a movie with him.
What movie was it?
Late in America.
Oh, wow.
You can get it on Netflix.
Please don't watch it.
It's terrible.
It's terrible, huh?
Yeah, but he was fantastic in it.
Yeah, he's charging.
He's very funny.
He's like the last scallop.
Like he's almost like-Why?
He's like the William Wallace of scallops, you know?
He's like, I feel like he has a very...
Like if you knew the Maitre D or whatever, you know.
They'd open up the dish and he would just be sitting there in a little, you know, just like in a little bird bath.
Slap him up.
Yes.
He's like the kind of guy I think that gets kind of railed in prison around the holidays.
He's like kind of a seasonal treat of a man.
Well, after the holidays, they're like, ah, nah.
Don't feel like it anymore, man.
I'll get over that.
Yeah, that's why, at least till after Halloween.
But that's amazing, man.
He's a, yeah, I love getting to be around him, man.
Yeah.
That's one thing that's been nice about like podcasting in the States is just so many different types of folks, you know.
Even getting to come over here, man, getting to talk to you.
Yeah, yeah.
We had Ed Sheeran came in the other day.
Oh, wow.
And Louis Thoreau is going to come in.
Oh, six.
How was Ed?
Pretty excited.
Ed was great.
Yeah, Ed is such a cool guy.
He's a professional.
Yeah, he's just, he's been doing it for so long.
He's just a damn, just, he's just like a nice, like a, like a comfortable cloud on a sunny day.
Yes, yeah, yeah.
You just, you just know, like, if you had like a dinner with him, it'd just be great.
Everything's fine.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, the silverware, everything's going to be in the right spot.
There's a session going on.
You know, there could be a war going on.
Nope.
Yeah.
You could be right.
Yeah.
And if you died right there, he would just start singing and then it's your funeral.
Yeah, yeah.
With him, everything is possible, you know?
Yeah, yeah.
He's like the best musical instrument.
But yeah, that guy's exceptional, man.
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Yeah, I like James Blake.
He's a musician that I like.
Have you heard of him?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He makes good music.
Yeah, he makes a lot of good music.
Yeah, yeah.
But yeah, it's been nice to be over here and just to get to have an experience of what it's like.
Are you in tune, I guess, with the UK YouTube scene?
Not a ton.
But I've followed over the years like Romanat would, you know, like when that kind of started.
Remember when he was like a UK YouTube scene?
But no, no, he's not in it, but I was just, no, but I was followed like the American YouTube scene.
That's not the UK YouTube scene.
No.
Sorry, dude.
He's like, yeah.
Let me back up my wheelchair.
Okay.
All right.
So would you know people like the Sidemen?
The Sideman, yeah.
The Sidemen is a it's like Minter.
Who else is somebody in it?
Some of the guys.
What?
You know.
Simon Minter.
Did you see his soccer aid performance?
Was that with Sketch and the Boys?
No, no, no.
So that was Beta Squads.
Okay.
So there's a thing called Soccer Aid.
Have you ever heard of it?
Uh-oh.
Okay.
So it's like a charity event, exactly the same.
But there was a lot of promotion for Simon.
He was basically like the poster boy for Soccerade.
Bring him up.
Yeah, yeah.
He was just everywhere.
Let's get a peek at him, huh?
Judge him.
Well, Simon Minter.
So he actually played in the last game.
We should bring up his highlights.
And did he do pretty swell?
Well, I mean, we can watch.
Yeah, he was pretty good.
Yeah.
Like, he's a very, very good footballer.
Like, when it comes to charity matches that we've done, we've done sideband charity matches that get so many views.
You know, left-right and center.
He's always scoring left-fighting centre.
Oh, he's the best.
Yeah, he's insane.
Always scoring hat tricks.
He scored on the halfway line at one point.
That's, you know, the football pitch.
The middle part.
This is him right here.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, he looks healthy as well.
So if you type in, well, click...
It doesn't seem to be there.
Basically.
So apparently, allegedly he's good.
He didn't do anything.
No, so yeah, so he came on the pitch last 20 minutes and hardly touched the ball.
No, why?
Yeah, well, it's just because they didn't give him the ball.
Yeah.
Yeah, so he was a very good player, but he just, we didn't get to see much.
And do you guys, is Sidemen in a league or it's just occasional you put it together?
No, it's no, Sideman is like a YouTube group.
Right, it's a gang, kind of.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Except we don't kill anyone or sell drugs.
But is there beef?
We sell much.
Okay, it has been beef.
Like with who?
Like Joe Joyce and those boys?
No, no.
Like the Travelers?
You ever take on them?
No.
Well, I mean, I fought one of them.
You fought one of the Travelers?
Well, Tommy Fury.
Oh, yeah, that's right.
But he's kind of like a fanciest traveler there is.
A fancy traveler.
I think he's definitely.
Yeah, yeah.
He's the most traveled.
Yeah, I mean, yeah, fair.
But I'm talking about, you know what I'm talking about?
Those videos you always see all the time.
Bring up Joe Joyce and the travelers and them boys down there in Manchester, Bub.
Is Joe Joyce a traveler?
Yeah, Joe Joyce is a traveler.
As in, like, the guy with the iron chin.
Yeah, you come on, Annie.
I'm telling you.
Oh, you've been talking shit in your raising.
those guys in the parking lot all the time.
That sounds like one of the pedophile back from the Bugs of Ireland.
Well, listen, you get no private fight.
You accepted me challenge last night.
You said you'd come and box me in Bolton this morning.
I've been here since half past seven, you dirty bug man's bastard.
I beat you, Barney, to get yourself out of fucking Appleby with your fucking breeds.
You've got 70, 80 men there.
You guys prime should be sparking.
Yeah, yeah.
You didn't know what you're doing.
Let's come down and I'll give you the fight of your life.
You're good-for-nothing Bogman's bastard.
Yeah, these guys are great.
Yeah, they are very intense.
You want an apology?
You give no fucking apologies.
It's just families for years that have been fighting and making it easy.
Wow.
Dude, did you see the guy who have you?
Yeah, have you ever been involved with these guys?
Luckily, no.
Yeah, I tended to stay away from all of that.
I feel like it's a lot of work.
Oh, yeah, but that's an easy promo video.
I mean, that guy cut that in two, three minutes in the parking lot.
No budget.
Do I need that in my life?
I don't know.
I mean, I just think if you started promoting that sort of thing, could that be the next thing?
Well, I don't know.
I think it'd be very weird if we start promoting that with the Sidemen.
Yeah, that's true.
But if it was Sidemen versus Trap, like just straight up real deal Joe Joyce grandchildren.
I'd be able to hold my own, but I feel like the others would fail Tremendously.
I think it'd be interesting to watch, though.
Yeah, when you look at like, because a lot of like celebrity fighting started, like Muhammad Ali did it a long time ago, I know.
Yeah.
And then they had George Foreman.
George Foreman did it.
So it's been, did you kind of get those ideas from that, or was it just something you guys like that was a world you wanted to get into?
I think because of us just entering the world in general with the whole YouTubers thing, like me firing Joella, then Logan Paul, etc.
It just made sense to create our own organization, Misfits, where, you know, I feel like the name is perfect for it.
Misfits, it's just different to everything.
And it's its own thing.
And people just love it.
It's just entertaining.
We just make fights that people have, you know, wanted to see for years happen, or we just make things like tag team fights happen, etc.
We just, we don't care, bro.
We just want to make it entertaining.
Entertainment.
Are you on the board that chooses the fights or how do you guys do it?
Not really.
Like, I normally approve of fights, but a lot of times Mams is in charge of that.
So with me, I'm the one that actually does the fights.
So I was in, like, I actually fight.
Oh, yeah, you fight.
I know you fought.
No, no, no.
But I was in, like, that's more my forte as of now.
And then when I take the Bat Burner, maybe I'll be more invested.
But for now, Mams is just the guy who really sets the fights up.
And Mams is- I see.
Wow.
And Mams is my manager.
Got it.
Yeah, yeah.
When you see that Mike Perry's in this new fight, suddenly for me, I was way more excited.
I think you'd much rather fight an old man.
It's just so much easier.
Why would he fight Mike?
Yeah, why would he fight?
Let me get back in this shit Legit bro Well you know Did you see the fight between Silver and What was that?
Bro What was that?
It's What was that?
It was patty cake.
Bro, it was ass, bro.
It was checking someone's pockets for their phone.
That's what I mean.
And that's who J. Paul fought.
Like, these are the people that J. Paul fight.
And that's why I'm like, why would he now go into a super hard fight?
Well, at some point, it has to be that if he...
No, he pushes himself as the legend killer.
Oh, I see.
That's the angle he's going.
So he's there, like, I destroy all these legends when they're 50 because that's who I am.
I'm Jake Paul.
Slayer of senior citizens.
That's his foretelling.
Yeah, he's like osteoporosis, basically.
So that's why like him finding my parents, it's like, Mike Perry is a dog.
Yeah, bro.
Have you seen what he does?
Bare knockouts.
Holy shit, bro.
He's had the best fights.
Have you met Michael Venom Page before?
Yeah, I trained with him.
No, I love him.
He's sick.
Such a good fighter.
He's so creative, dude.
He's so cool.
Yeah, bro.
Especially his knockouts and everything.
The way he moves.
He's so fun to watch.
It's almost like he has extra necks inside of his neck, you know?
Because he's like, you know, he just, it's like he's.
A snake.
Yeah.
He's just got that.
When you're watching him, it's like you almost...
It's just like, have you seen it?
Yeah, you don't want to talk about it.
He's like...
Yeah, yeah.
His own style.
Yeah.
Because a lot of fighters, they're like, you know, it's just more.
Square kids, squared.
He's like, I mean, like, yeah, yeah.
Oh, bro, it's crazy.
With the neck.
Well, he just, like, you know, he can.
Maybe, yeah, maybe I might have.
I don't know what picture I might be watching on 16.9 or something.
I just, I know, I'm not really staring at his neck.
Yeah, I think I just see him, like the length of him.
I don't know.
Okay.
No, I mean, it's fan.
Like, I don't know.
This is going to turn into fan fiction.
You and MVP starts moving that neck all of a sudden.
No, I'm a huge fan of his.
That's been one of the neatest things I think about getting, like, just becoming a UFC fan over the past few years, man.
Have you been to the fights?
Yeah, bro.
I go to as many UFC things as I can.
Well, in England anyway.
I think it's amazing.
Yeah, there's one coming up in Manchester.
Yeah.
It's very good.
God, dude, it's so much fun, isn't it?
Bro, it's brutal.
It's, bro, actually, what was crazy for me was, you know, as a British guy, I went to the UFC in Miami, 299.
Bro.
Wait, that was Poirier versus Ben Wasing.
Yeah, yeah.
So that fight was insane.
Yeah, but, oh, my God, when Trump came in, bro, I didn't expect everyone to scream like that.
Bro, it was the loudest cheer of the whole night.
Oh, yeah.
I didn't know people love Trump like that.
People love him.
Over here, everyone, for us, we think everyone hates Trump.
And he's like, oh, you know, Trump bad.
I go over there.
Oh, my God.
It's like he's Jesus.
Yeah.
He's like, yeah, he's kind of like a little bit of like a Jesus.
But yeah, people love him.
When he comes in at UFC, people love him.
But the media doesn't like him in America.
Okay.
But the people are more and more like him.
Oh, well, I'm not into politics.
I don't fuck all.
People used to hate him, but I think the sometimes the politics is interesting, though.
Yeah.
Oh, no, I'm too stupid for it.
Yeah.
Yeah, as in, like, imagine if I became.
You will one day.
No.
You'll become a politician then.
If I became a prime minister, then it's over for the world, man.
Well, for England anyway.
For who specifically?
Well, let's take them out by city.
Let's go.
I'll probably be like, okay.
Essex is out.
No, no more taxes.
I'll be like, no more taxes.
No more taxes.
But then all of a sudden, NHS is just there, like, all right, now what, guys?
What do we do?
We're struggling.
We have no funding.
And I'm like, oh, shit.
Fuck.
Instantly, I'm in a hole.
So for me, when it comes to policy, I'm good, man.
You're like, unlimited prime for everyone.
I'm going to have you bet.
No taxes free prime.
Dude, you could win on that campaign.
That's what's crazy.
No taxes free prime.
That's what's crazy.
Well, the craziest thing about Trump is like, he was always kind of a shady businessman.
He was always, I think everybody regarded him as that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But Hollywood built him up because they had a show called The Boss or something.
I do remember.
So Hollywood made him this big thing.
And then they got pissed when he won president.
They're like, what the fuck?
Then Hollywood's like, fuck him.
But you built him.
It's true.
You made him.
But now people, I think, are more on his side.
I just think it's getting weird.
The guy we have is not doing good.
And it's just a bit much over there.
No, fast.
But the social media kind of controls everything, it feels like these days.
Yeah, social media has a lot of power in how people think, I feel.
For example, even with Instagram, you can just, you know, let's say you're a woman, you go on Instagram and you're just seeing all these women like looking 10 out of 10, but they've all had work done.
And it's just like the way to get to that level is you have to get work done.
Eventually, your mind's going to think, oh, maybe I need to get filler.
Maybe I need to, you know, do this with my eyes or do this with my cheeks and stuff like that to get to that level.
It's slow, but it slowly like takes over people's minds.
And that's why you need to just, you know, definitely step back sometimes and just be like, nah, man, like, I'm happy with how with myself.
I'm happy with my way of thinking.
But because it's just social media, it's just everywhere and it's kind of like becoming everything.
It's kind of getting harder and harder to do that.
Yeah.
Oh, I would feel horrible because you'll see a lot of young girls getting lip fillers.
I hate it.
I hate it.
They can even chew.
I saw when we got having soup and it just unhaving soup.
Yeah.
I'm like, I've never seen fucking like, what are we doing here?
Like, I've told my girlfriend, like, please never in your life ever do anything.
Like, she's, like, every now and then she's like, oh, I'm thinking of, I'm like, no, don't you dare.
You are naturally beautiful.
Stop.
Yeah, that's what we need.
Yeah, bro.
And some of that is men.
Men need to let women know.
Like, I think women are a reflection of the men in their lives, right?
And I really believe that, like, if men, if we let women know, you are perfect, you are fine as you are.
Then they wouldn't live in this place where they always feel like they're having to adjust as well.
But yeah, social media is crazy.
Did you see John Shahidi?
Do you know who that is?
No idea.
So he's the, he created Happy Dad, right, with the Nilk Boys.
So okay.
So that group, John's a great guy.
Wait, I might, could you bring him up?
I might.
Let's bring him up.
Recognize him.
But they just took away his Instagram was at John, J-O-H-N.
At John.
He had at John.
He had that.
For four years.
How the fuck did he get that?
He woke up the other day and they had taken it away from him because they want to sell it because they think it's too marketable.
And they took it.
I'm trying to think of why I recognize this guy.
He's often with like Kyle Foregaard.
John's a really super creative guy.
Okay.
Well, and he lost John.
Well, Instagram just took it from him.
Yeah.
But can they do that?
Let's see.
Instagram changed my username today to this bootleg name.
Not sure why I even have the bootleg app, but Meta truly does not care about their users.
Nobody there replies with reasoning.
So he reached out like, how did you just take my name?
Yeah.
Well, I mean, if they're just there, like, it's our platform.
Now what?
What are you going to do?
What are you going to do?
Like, what are you going to do if somebody says like, yeah, JJ, we don't like what you're saying anymore?
Then you know the mean where the guy just disappears?
Yeah.
Just goes into the bushes.
Oh, yeah, I'm out.
What could I do?
But yeah, that's the thing.
It's like we don't have any, it's like, it's almost like we can write whatever we want, but it's like they own the paper kind of, you know?
Yeah, that's, ooh, that's a good idea.
So when they can fucking you like, well, what the fuck does this, all this even mean?
They can fucking.
Wow.
It's just dirty.
But yeah, they did that to him.
Apparently he had like Trump came on Logan's podcast and they mentioned John on there and the next day is when it happened.
But they said it's people with short name four letters or less.
That's what apparently there's an article somewhere.
It's like four letters or less.
They want to take those names like Tom, John.
Wait, I've got KSI.
Well, do you?
When's the last time you checked?
You know, fuck.
Oh, shit.
This guy fucking woke up and was gone.
Fuck.
What would you do?
We'd have to store it.
Would they give me underscore, underscore, underscore KSI?
Yeah, maybe.
What the hell?
I don't know.
God, that's alarming.
Or KSI lube, you know?
I mean, they could give me a bunch of people.
No, but that's unfair.
I agree.
But I guess they could do whatever they want.
They can do whatever they want.
Do you think you think Meta could just start posting photos for you?
Yeah, I'm sure they could eliminate you.
Like, imagine if Meta just decided to just add a dick pic.
Yeah.
It's not even of you, just a dick pic just as your next post.
And then they ban you for it.
They frame you.
Oh, totally.
Holy shit.
Wow, dude.
If that happened, hopefully, my buddy Jason, because I used to, I never sent my own dick pics, but I would rent them for my buddy Jason, right?
So for $10, he would let you use his dick, send it to somebody.
Because he's a really, you know, he's just that kind of guy.
And so I probably spent 30 bucks fucking gifting his wiener out.
Renting dick pics.
Yeah, from him.
Well, he had a decent wiener on him for one.
And two, it looked enough like my penis words.
If somebody then actually showed up like, you know, with the T-Mu version of it, people aren't going to be that upset, you know?
Wait, did it ever get leaked?
Not yet.
And if it does, it's not mine.
I caught it.
So would you like share them with your friends?
Like, oh, yeah, bro, look.
I've got my dick pick.
Oh, no, no.
I'm not trading mine.
Oh, okay.
I have more of an artist's kind of dick anyway.
Like, some people have more of a traditional wiener.
Mine is just more of like art.
It's almost like a, it's built like kind of one of the French Alps a little bit.
Bring up one of the Alps, one of the smaller Alps.
Or like a candy corn.
You have candy corns here at Halloween?
I don't think so, no.
Bring up a candy corn, bruv.
Good day, Set.
It's like that, yeah.
I want the smiley face.
I don't want the smiles on it.
Yeah, kind of.
Yeah, it's built like one of those.
Yeah, just like that, man.
It's kind of, you ever seen that part of the rocket that falls back to space, you know?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Oh, I imagine it gets bigger, right?
Well, all right.
Imagine all you want, bro.
Hey, it's fan fiction, man.
We'll make it happen, dude.
Fuck, man.
Yeah, it's more like the little engine that could, you know, you see people are like, it's kind of like the one that comes at the end of the race, but people are still there clapping, you know?
Even though they're already packing up the beverages and stuff.
Oh, I've had that.
So that's, yeah, oh yeah.
Where I was like lost in a, I think it was a, it was either a 400 or 800 meter race.
I was really unfit back in the day as a kid to the point where, do you, Yeah, we ran some.
Yeah, so like I would do cross-country, but whenever there was a bush, I would like hide there to just avoid everyone and then come out at the end just to pretend that I finished the race.
God, you sound like a peeping Tom just kind of popping out of different places.
Well, luckily, I was a child.
So yeah, if I was this age, then you were before your time.
But so, yeah, it was, I think it was, I must have been 800 because if it was 400, that's really sad.
But I remember I got halfway and I was like, I can't do it.
I can't finish it.
So I ended up walking.
So I was just like, fuck it, I'm just going to walk all the way to the end.
And it got to the point where a teacher came out of nowhere, ran up to me, and she was like, we're going to finish this together.
I wanted to die.
Honestly, that whole year of my life was one of the worst years of my life.
And was it because you got it?
Because of this teacher.
This one teacher thought she was doing a good deed, but instead she ruined my life by forcing me to run with her.
And she was like, you've got this.
You can do it.
You can do it, Jay.
You're so close.
And I was just laughing.
I was down.
God, this is embarrassing.
God.
It would have been better if I just walked by myself.
Yeah, why have you come to try to be a good person?
Yeah, why are you trying to be a good person?
Fucking.
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Your family, you grew up in...
And your family's Nigerian?
Nigerian, yeah.
Do you ever get to meet like Kamaru Usman or any of those guys?
No, no.
He's cool.
Yeah, yeah.
But obviously, I've seen them fine.
Yeah.
Yeah, no, they're great.
Nigerians are so friendly.
Yeah, yeah.
We can be.
A lot of friendly people, man.
Do you feel Nigerian sometimes?
Do you just feel British?
I think it depends on, like, if it's like food, like when I'm eating jalof rice and panda jam and okra and all of that, yeah, I feel pretty Nigerian.
Yeah.
Or if I'm going to, like, a Nigerian wedding or if I'm getting, you know, my outside, my extended family asking for money all the time.
Oh, yeah, they ask me for money.
I feel pretty Nigerian at that point.
Yeah.
But then, yeah, I guess when I'm, I don't know, going to a private school, I feel pretty British.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's British.
Yeah, I was, yeah, like, when I went to, because I went to a private school for secondary school, felt pretty British.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, I see the kids are wearing suits and everything.
Yep, yep.
It's really unbelievable.
Yeah, like, I guess in America, you guys can just wear whatever, right?
Kids look like shit in America.
I mean, they're drinking good prime.
Yeah.
They look like fucking, dude.
They look like anybody could have put them together.
Yeah, yeah.
At least here they look a little bit haberdashed, like somebody cared about.
Yeah, yeah.
Haberdash's is actually a place.
It's a town?
No, it's a private school.
Oh, really?
Yeah, Haberdashers, Merchant Taylors.
I went to Burke Hampstead.
Wow, that's fancy.
It just sounds fancy, doesn't it?
Haberdashers.
Merchant Taylors.
But do you eat at the long tables here?
Yeah.
Yeah, it must have been crazy.
We had fun.
We had cheese pots.
Oh.
Yeah, man.
It's crazy.
Like, for lunch, we'd get servings.
Yeah.
Just be like, oh, I'd like this.
Oh, actually, this looks quite good.
Like, we had options.
Yeah, that's nice.
It's crazy.
Yeah.
We had a kid that would always bring ants in from outside and he'd put them in his fucking pockets.
And like halfway through the next class, he'd have fucking ants all over him.
And he'd have to go to the nurse or whatever.
So he was always kind of like kind of cheating the system or whatever to get out of class, you know?
But he was a fucking real kind of zookeeper of a boy, if you will, you know?
You know what I'm talking about?
Or just different types of kids growing up.
Who else do we have?
Bring somebody up.
What?
Okay.
Are we...
Yeah, we just had all types of...
So why?
Just so he could get bit later and then he could tell the teacher.
Where's he finding all these ants?
Outside.
Unlimited ants from God.
They just had as many as you could want in the schoolyard.
It wasn't, you know.
Why are you just picking them up?
Yeah, they're free, brother.
Yeah.
Wow.
Okay.
Did anyone try that with like bees?
No, nothing like that.
You'd see crickets.
A lot of times people would bring a bunch of crickets and let them loose in the class and so they'd wounce around and people would be kind of a bit wild about it, I guess.
you like learn anything in school?
Like it sounded like- A lot of stuff.
We had limited learning, I remember, was the name of our school, I think.
I remember they had like a map of America, right?
And then above it, where Canada is, they didn't even say Canada.
They just had a picture of like a wolf like chasing a boy.
That was it.
And that was like, yeah, it was just limited knowledge, you know?
Like we learned about Christopher Columbus.
We didn't learn a ton about the UK.
Yeah.
Well, I imagine like Europe isn't even on the map for the United States.
No, Miami was kind of as far as we could learn.
But yeah, America's gotten weird, man.
We might be sailing back over here soon.
Oh, wow.
Keep the ports open.
Well, I mean, have you seen the weather here, man?
It's not that great.
We'll take it.
We could probably, you could adjust it.
They're doing cloud seating and stuff now, you know?
Maybe that's what's happening in England because it's just always trash.
Yeah.
Like one minute it's sunny, the next it's raining, then it's sunny again, then raining, then sunny, then raining.
And this is all in one day.
Yeah.
What the hell?
So it's so, it's really hard to dress for it.
If you're, oh, that's for sure.
That's why I'm wearing this.
Yeah.
Now I'm there like, you know, normally I'll be wearing a t-shirt.
We're in middle of summer, but now I'm like, okay, like, should I, you know, be prepared for rain?
Yeah.
Thunder, storm, snow, like, in summer?
Yeah, anything.
Did you see, or where do you go for vacation then if you go into Europe?
Is there somewhere you like to go?
So I recently went Japan.
Oh, wow.
Japan was a huge like shift, culture shift.
Like, I've been there before, but it was like this time I really like dog in and explored everything.
Because you took a break recently.
Yeah.
Is that when you went?
Yeah, yeah.
So I do like it, I'd say like a six to eight month break to just really like relax and enjoy my life a little.
Because I feel like I've just been working quite a lot.
Oh, yeah.
Just doing so much.
So yeah, Japan was one of it.
I was there for two weeks.
That was like the longest holiday I've had in decades, honestly.
Did you feel like a big person there, kind of?
Like a kind of a not really.
Oh, well, I said, like, oh, physically.
Physically sized.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yes.
Yeah, I felt pretty big.
Because they're just so...
Yeah, they're quite, They're so kind.
You almost could pick a Japanese person up and set them somewhere else, and it seems like they would stay there where you put them.
Yeah.
You know, they're just so like.
They are so unnatural.
Well, it's weird, like, to the point where there was one point where we were going to a restaurant, we ate there, and we, you know, paid the bill, we left, and they would come out, as in the chef and the owner would come out and start bowing while we were leaving.
And we're just like, why have they done that?
Like they have more people inside to serve, but they're just so polite, so genuine.
And the bowing, though, they bow, then you bow.
But then, since you bow, they bow again.
And so it really becomes like you know, it's like watching a penguin's arms or whatever.
It just gets really bizarre.
I think it's yeah, it's they get kind of awkward if you try to like shake their hand.
They're just they don't know what to do.
They freeze up real easy.
Yeah, they're just they kind of glitch.
They can get a little bit glitchy, I think.
Glitch?
Yeah.
A lot of glitching in the matrix over there in Japan.
What else was I going to ask you about?
I'm trying to think where else I went to.
I went to...
What was something that surprised you about it?
Surprised me.
Oh, the love of like porn.
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
Like, there's the whole department for it.
Like, at a grocery or something?
Kind of, yeah.
Like, we went into this building and, you know, it was full of, like, comics and manga and everything.
And you've got manga from all types.
Like, Dragon Ball to there's other mangas, but I'm such a Dragon Ball fan that I don't really care.
But then there's an 18 Plus section.
And it's funny, they have it covered with like a bit of a curtain.
Yeah.
And then, you know, there's no one there to check if you're 18 plus.
But you can tell like it's a little like, oh, are you sure you want to go in here?
Yeah, yeah.
So, yeah, you know, I was there with my girl.
We just open it up and it's just crazy.
Like all types of crazy ass manga porn.
Like I'm talking tentacle.
I'm talking robot.
I'm talking wheelchair probably.
Yeah.
What is manga?
What does that mean?
So manga is like comics.
Okay.
So anime porn style?
Yeah, yeah.
Okay.
Pretty much.
Like, yeah, there's one I always hear about.
Oh, wow.
So it's all drawn porn.
It's not porn.
Yeah.
So I remember when we walked in, there was this old guy who was furiously like looking for this one book.
Like he, he had, he already had like six in his hand and he's just there like speed mode, just looking for that one, that one that he hasn't got, that collection.
And you could tell like he'd been used up.
Like he's he'd been chugging empty.
Yeah, he's spraying.
Just always.
Just any God, put the cork in him.
Yeah.
Somebody call his mom, you know?
Yeah, he was.
It's sad when somebody just jerks off forever.
Yeah.
I feel like we all used to.
Yeah, but some people have said, you know what, I'm going to keep doing it.
And I think at that point it gets a bit much, you know?
Yeah.
So I just got to, let me see.
I think I'm 19 days off of pornography and masturbation right now.
Wow.
Congrats.
Thanks, man.
It's the longest I've been.
Okay.
Explain to me.
How have you got through Blue Bulls?
I have ejaculated by nature and by God just kind of touching me in my sleep or whatever, but I have not.
But I haven't jerked myself.
That's free, brother.
The 19 days is done, bro.
No, no, no.
That doesn't count.
No, it does.
God touched me.
Sometimes I would pray that God would touch me while I was sleeping, but I wasn't going to touch myself, you know.
But it's just a human restraint.
But no porn and no touching, no touching my own body, 19 days, man.
For me, it's been good.
Well, I feel like for me, that's like, I think the longest I've gone is about a week, a week and a half.
And then blue bulls, bro, it just finishes me.
I'm there, like, it hurts.
I feel like I have period pain.
Oh.
Yeah, it is kind of.
I guess you have period pain in your nuts.
It's that time of the month.
I'm there, like, yeah, screw this.
Would you, would you think you'd ever make a sex tape, do you think?
No, no, no.
I think maybe.
Did you ever think of it at one point?
I think 10 years ago, there was part of me thinking, you know what?
I feel pretty confident.
And then thank God I didn't.
Yeah, probably imagine.
Thing is, though, I feel like men get away with it more than women.
That's a good point.
Yeah, but I don't know if you could have did it.
I guess, well, Kim Kardashian kind of smashed it.
Yeah, I guess.
They just had an artist.
What was that thing Ray J was talking about, I think, with Kardashian?
If you look at it, oh, did it alter the direction of history?
Oh, wow.
You know what?
I think Kim Kardashian is so influential.
It probably did.
Like, look how many women just, like, are influenced by her.
Oh, yeah.
Like, bro, even I'm influenced by her.
I bought Skims underwear.
No, really?
What the fuck?
Yeah, that's a lot.
But bro, it's so comfortable.
No, no, I mean, there's a male section.
Oh, there is.
I didn't know that.
No, you thought I was...
No, brother.
Come on.
I was like, why is JJ hiding his camel?
That's what I wanted to know, dude.
No, there's like male underwear now.
And Bo, it's really comfortable.
I didn't know that.
But, yeah, it's like, what?
She's a billionaire.
Like, there's so many people who like look up to her.
Kanye's good music was when they were together.
Yeah.
But they did start, the bad lip stuff was started by them.
The lip filler.
Yeah, but that's what I mean.
Influential.
Yeah.
That's true.
It's crazy.
So, yeah, you know what?
I kind of agree with you that they have changed history.
Did you shoot, did you actually call a producer about a sex tape?
You just thought about it?
How farther down the road did you go?
No, I'd say like I made a video and I was like, if it gets this many likes, then I'll do a sex tape.
And it has actually got that many likes, but times have definitely changed.
Yeah, it's just, I can't see it now.
Yeah, I wouldn't be good at having a sex tape, I don't think.
I just switched.
Would you have you been close?
No, I've filmed something with a girlfriend kind of thing.
Okay, yeah.
you know, but not like a couple camera shoot, just like a, just like a couple of geeked up perverts on their phone.
Yeah, okay.
But that was a long time ago.
Just amateur.
Yeah, very, yeah, well, I mean, that's a category.
Yeah, that's true.
Does very well?
Yeah.
Been on that category before and pleased with some of the stuff they have on there.
Have you ever been on J-O-I?
No, I haven't.
Oh, okay.
J-O-I?
Yeah, I don't know.
J-OI.
What does J-O-I mean?
It's like I'm pretty sure she talks to you.
Yeah, I haven't seen it.
And she's there like J-O-I.
Is it J-O-I?
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Okay.
Maybe not.
Yeah, I haven't been on there.
I think there's going to be that H, I haven't even done the R V or whatever.
The VR.
VR, yeah.
I haven't done the VR.
That could be quite.
Pornography.
I haven't even used that.
Have you ever used it?
No, no.
No, me neither.
But I think it would be a really interesting experience.
You know, I've read up that is it not AI, but AGI is around the corner.
So we can get like robots, humanoid robots, just being able to do our chores.
We're able to have conversations with them.
Right.
But the second somebody gets one, they're going to fuck it.
You know?
Well, no.
If there isn't a hole down there, how are you going to...
People are disgusting.
The second you get anybody, like, hey, we get me some cereal.
Get me some blowjob.
Yeah, but what?
Like, there's what's the AI going to say?
Yeah.
Whatever you want.
I'm tired.
Not right now.
Maybe.
I don't know.
That function isn't in my capacity.
Or what if they mess up the things?
You know, like, what if they mix up one of the things?
Like, that would be it.
You better, we want to make sure you don't get a cheap one because if you ask for a blowjob and it starts jeweling a carrot or something, you're going to be in a tough spot.
Well, yeah, look.
Elon Musk, Jesus Christ Tesla.
Optimus robot says everyone will want one.
Well, I feel like everyone would want one.
Yeah.
Like, I definitely would try it.
Like, imagine someone who's able to just do all the chores.
You know, do the bed when I wake up or clean, do the washing, clean the floor.
But what about this then?
What if one day robots get actually sentient, right?
Okay.
And they become as we are.
Will they be upset?
Will they be like, you enslaved those robots?
Like, you made them.
What if they just enjoy doing their job?
Now that's true.
What if they're just there like, I'm sentient or sentient?
Sentient.
And they're just there like, oh, this is great.
Thank you.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know, I love washing plates.
God, that's great.
Why is everyone always thinking about the bad situation?
You're right.
There could be sentient beings that just want to do chores.
Yeah.
That's their favorite thing.
Like, imagine them having to talk to us.
They're like, oh, fuck that.
Yeah.
Like, don't talk to me.
Let me just do chores.
Yeah, let me keep working.
Yeah.
That's nice.
You got to get one.
You can probably afford one as well.
Yeah, yeah.
Bo, I'm so in.
Like, I'm just seeing like how chat GPT is evolving.
I'm looking at Nvidia's stock.
Yeah, I just looked at some.
Looking like a right to penis.
Yeah.
Just up.
Looking like a real Nigerian sex lord.
Just not going down.
I want to short it so badly.
Do you?
Oh, bro.
I know, but it looks like it's like, could be like Apple where it just keeps going up.
I feel like it'll just obliterate me.
Yeah.
But I don't know.
Maybe I feel like you have to wait for like, I don't know, something bad to happen to do with AI.
Like, I don't know if a bad thing did happen, like, I don't know, and AI just became smart and said, all right, I'm going to just hack everything.
I'm just going to hack your iCloud.
Now I have your body's dick pic.
Jason.
Yeah.
And it's just, he releases that.
All of a sudden, Nvidia's stopped just flat.
That's a good point.
What if AI started to be like, fuck everybody?
Yeah, I mean.
And it started just sending emails to other people.
It just decided.
Well, imagine they just love trolling.
Yeah.
Bro, that would be, that would actually be low-key hilarious.
Just trolling it.
It almost be like a good movie concept.
It might be hard to pull off.
Yeah.
But yeah, if you had AI, a troller, or that's what they chose to do.
Did you troll when you were younger?
I didn't troll that much, I don't think.
You know?
I mean, at first, they didn't even have the internet when I was a little kid, so you couldn't even, you just had to call somebody a name right in front of them.
You had to be there in person.
You had to show up and do it.
You had to put in the work.
Okay.
Well, you could send letter?
Yeah, I guess you could, yeah, you could do a letter, maybe.
Just a letter.
Letter was kind of fun as well because we had a lot of pedophiles and stuff in our area.
And so we would often send letters to, you know, I'd send letters to my friends and say they were from the, and like my friend's dad would be like, why the fuck is this guy sending you a letter?
You know, just creating shit around the home or whatever, kind of creating intrigue around the home.
What do you feel like, like, I mean, people are always saying, like, what's next?
Do you feel okay coming back from your break?
Like, what do you, do you, do you feel like invigorated?
Was it hard to, because taking a break's big.
I've thought for years I'm going to take a break and it's very hard to take a break.
The scary thing is with taking a break is if you step off the treadmill, do you think you'll be able to get back on it?
Do you think you'll be as fit to get back on it?
Or do you think you'll Just hop on and fall off.
Yeah.
And that's for me, I feel like, you know, I'm at a point where I've like stepped off the treadmill before.
I'd say around 2017, where I took like a super long break and then came back and everything was all right.
So I was like, oh, okay, like I'm in a place now where I can take a break and it's okay.
So I feel like a lot of like YouTubers or streamers or whatever, like are always worried that they might not reach the same level they're at if they take a break.
Yeah.
So they decide to never take a break, but then they go crazy.
Like Fouzi crazy.
Yeah.
Yeah, bro.
Fouzi died at the mall or whatever.
He went nuts, bro.
But he's gone nuts before.
Right.
He's done this and crashed down.
And then he's done this again and crashed down.
So like it's.
And the pressure of those, like that constant streaming, you weren't even at that.
You weren't like that.
You were more of a vlogger.
Is that safe to say?
Yeah, yeah.
What's the term?
I mean, I know you do a lot of stuff.
Yeah, I mean, nowadays I just sit in front of a camera and laugh.
So that's pretty much- But it's infectious about my job description in terms of YouTube, it's that.
Right.
But you didn't have to ever sit there like Kai Sanat or those guys where they're doing that seven-hour stream.
I did used to stream.
Oh, I didn't know that.
Yeah, when I was younger.
No, but like, it's not that huge part of my life.
It was like, I did it for about, I'd say, a year or so.
Like, I just stream games and stuff.
Like, this was 2012, 2013 when streaming wasn't really as big as it is now.
Right.
So, yeah, I was, you know, I did streaming.
You know, I did YouTube videos.
But I did everything.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, you kind of have a like a Mr. Beast.
I mean, you have your own thing.
Yeah.
I'm definitely not Mr. Beast.
Mr. Beast is on a completely different level, bro.
Did you see him in North Carolina?
Yeah, he did.
Yeah, so that's why I went.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking about.
Yeah, I went there for a YouTuber, like those 50 YouTubers that he put in a box and just chaos.
And only one could survive.
Yeah, man.
It was crazy.
Different challenges left, right, and center, bro.
So you were competing against other people.
Yeah, yeah.
I was a menace, man.
I was just that.
For me, my idea was I'm going to- Well, I kind of, like, I'm naturally just a nice guy anyway.
So, like, you know, I went to hi, everyone.
It was cool to see old faces left, right, and center.
But then, you know, as soon as the cameras are on, I'm there, like, I'm just going to be content.
Yeah.
My goal is just content.
Like, people trying to sleep, I'm shouting in their ears, like, yo, no sleeping tonight, baby.
Wake the fuck up.
Yeah, yeah, bro.
Well, and the thing is, because everyone there is a little timid.
Yeah.
And everyone's a bit standoffish, a bit reserved, because, you know, everyone's a big YouTuber in their own right.
Like, people have got 20 million, 30 million, 40 million, 50 million subscribers, left, right, and center.
And I've got on one channel, 20 something, and then another, like, 16 something, whatever.
But like, I don't give a shit, bro.
Like, for me, I'm there, like, I'm just there here to just have a good fucking time.
Like, like, obviously, you know, some people really wanted to win, like, the 1 million.
It was the grand prize of $1 million.
But for me, bro, I was just there.
I'm here just to have a good fucking time.
Were the competition?
Was it fun?
Is it out yet?
It's not out yet.
So I can't explain the thing, the challenges.
For sure.
Yeah, it was definitely cool to see different YouTubers.
Was it inspiring to see Mr. Beast create something like that?
Bro, like, he showed me around Greenville, like, the different areas that he's bought just for videos.
Insane, bro.
Bro, man just spent, like, I don't even know I can say this, but he spent like millions on just a bit of land for one video.
Just like that.
And it's just like, he's happy just to do that.
And then the money that he makes from that, puts it into another video.
He just, like, he doesn't care about profit.
He's there, like, reinvest, reinvest, reinvest.
And it's just incredible.
Bro, he pretty much, like, the only reason you go to North Carolina is for Mr. Beast.
That's, like, he runs it.
And I was like, it's such a smart model because the most interesting thing in that area is working for Mr. Beast.
So he's bro.
So he's always got everyone there, like, gagging to work for him.
Because it's like, are you going to work at, I don't know, McDonald's?
Or are you going to try and work for Mr. Beast?
You're always going to always go for Mr. Beast.
Do you want to be a politician or do you want to work for Mr. Beast?
I want to work for Mr. Beast.
Bro, like, do you want to be a teacher?
Fuck that.
I would like to teach Mr. Beast.
I want to, yeah.
I would like to be at Mr. Beast Junior High.
Exactly, bro.
Did you, is it inspiring, kind of, or do you feel like it's a different?
No, not at all.
I went in there and if anything, it made me go, yeah, I will never reach this level.
But I was okay with that.
And I'm okay with that.
Yeah, that's kind of the point where I was at.
Yeah.
Well, because that's interesting because sometimes in life you meet people or you meet like people who are doing things above you or differently than you.
And you say, oh, I could do this.
Yes.
So, but then sometimes that's cool to hear that you also sometimes meet people and you're like, oh, this is amazing, but this is not my.
Yeah, yeah, this I could never like, like, I didn't think, wow, okay, now I want to be up there with one of the biggest YouTubers in the world.
Yeah.
I'm there like, nah, fuck that.
Because especially with what he's put into it, nah, man, shit's long.
Like, I already have been doing so much for so long.
So, like, for him, like, he's going on to that next level.
Like, I feel like I'm in a good space with, you know, the sidemen.
I've got a bit of music here, boxing here.
Got my whole little YouTube here.
If I want to stream every now and then, I can.
It's nice.
You know, I'm still able to do something with my girlfriend.
Still able to do stuff with my friends and family.
Like, I'm able to have a nice, balanced life.
Him, it's just work.
He lives, breathes, sleeps, work.
That's a lot.
But, like, that's why he's the most subscribed YouTuber in the world.
Yeah, it's interesting what it takes, huh?
Yeah, and I'm there, like, fuck that.
Yeah, fuck that, bro.
I've never heard.
I don't need to do that.
Put me in my wheelchair, homie.
I'll be fine.
JJ, thanks so much, man.
Yeah, I know.
My pleasure, bro.
For coming and hanging out, man, and just making me feel welcome in your country.
It's really cool.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And yes, thanks for starting like the celebrity boxing.
Just like that's been something, especially throughout pandemic, I think it gave a lot of people some weird thing to like just cheer for and be against or whatever.
Just kind of like I've got a fight coming up where I'm fighting two people.
At the same time?
Well, it's a tight team.
Okay.
Yeah, August 31st.
Yeah.
And how do you feel about it?
I feel pretty confident.
I feel pretty good.
I mean, I'm seeing it as like a warm-up to hopefully fight Amir Khan end of the year.
What?
Yeah.
But with this, it's just like, so these two guys, Slim and AT, have been like top of the league when it comes to Misfits.
Like, they've pretty much been most of their opponents.
Slim has never lost, et cetera.
So, you know, for me to fight not one, but two of them, it's going to be a good challenge.
So they can tag each other in whenever they want.
They can tag in and tag out whenever they want.
And what if one of them gets knocked out?
Then you still have to knock the other one out?
Yes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, wow.
This is sick.
Yeah.
Fuck, it's exciting.
Yeah, yeah.
So I guess that's what we're missing.
That's what we want.
We want it to be exciting.
We want people to be like, oh, this is not like normal boxing.
Yeah.
Fuck it.
I love it.
And everything evolves.
That's the thing.
It's like sometimes we get stuck in tradition.
It's like, oh, I don't want things to change.
I want to do things.
But then everything has always evolved.
Right.
And it's just the way that things always have been.
Yeah, well, I mean, look at radio.
You know, radio was like, oh, fuck TV, man.
It's all about the radio.
Then TV came through, smashed it.
Now, then it was the internet.
And TV were like, oh, the fuck's the internet.
It's not going to do anything.
Boom, the internet is in your face.
Next up, AI.
It's taking over, bro.
Humanoids.
I know.
Come through.
They're just going to come through, bro.
I just hope I'm okay.
Bro, smash through your doors.
There's nothing you can do.
I'm going to stay upstairs then if they come.
I just don't.
I don't want to.
I'm just going to stand by the window and just button my button again.
How cool would it be?
I know it's going back to the whole humanoid thing, but it just fascinates me because the idea of like space travel becomes a thing.
Like imagine we can just take.
With AI, you mean?
Oh, because it'll tell us how to do it.
Well, no, no, I was thinking more taking a humanoid AI and just sending it off.
Oh.
Like it can go to Mars.
Right, we have like practice humans then.
It's a give a crash test dummy that can actually fucking give you a ring back.
Well, yeah, yeah.
What's going on?
You good?
What's up?
What's up with your systems and everything?
Yeah, yeah.
How's your systems?
Hey, what's your sister up to?
And he's like, what are you talking about?
Because people are perverts, dude.
The second the guy reports any information from Mars, people like, hey, where's your sister?
You're going to be going to Mars.
But no, you're right, dude.
We won't even have to be the aliens.
We'll just create them.
Yes.
And then we'd be able to just conquer different planets.
What about, so if certain countries get the robots and the robots will fight the wars for them?
Oh, shit.
Yeah, but then, but then how would that work?
Right.
Nobody would win, really.
Yeah, it would just.
But it would be a whole new league of sports though.
Whoa.
Would you, It is, because I was talking to my girlfriend about this, is having sex with a humanoid cheating.
No way.
So she was like, well, it is.
But then I'm there like, oh, so then you consider a humanoid robot as human?
Hmm.
It would have to depend on how human.
If it puts its makeup on, then I would say yes.
But if it just kind of stands there and is like, let's do it or whatever, then I would say no.
But then how would you feel if you had your girl?
Oh, see, that's not just getting destroyed.
You'd be like, well, yeah, why not?
But it's a big black robot.
Great.
Now even we have to worry about the black robots.
That's the most messed up part.
It's like, we now have to worry.
Even the black robots are taking our women, dude.
Imagine you come home and you're sitting there and like three robot dudes come and just sit.
You're like, what?
I thought we had a date night tonight.
He's like, we do.
JJ, man, thank you so much, dude, for all the years of entertainment.
And also spending time with me, man.
Congratulations, dude.
I think it's really inspirational to just see what you do and just your attitude to take breaks and to just be transparent about some of the stuff that goes on.
It's important because a lot of people are in this space now and in this world because it's the world we live in.
And they want to be able to learn from people that are willing to share honestly about what goes on.
Well, and likewise, man.
Like, you know, I've seen you come up.
It's been phenomenal, man.
Like the way, you know, you just, I think for me, I saw a lot of your stuff just on TikTok.
Just how fucking random you are.
Yeah, yeah.
It was absolutely amazing to experience it in real life.
Oh, thanks.
Just the random things you say, just out of thin air.
Yeah.
It's just hilarious.
Well, thanks, dude.
Thank you.
Yeah, I used to feel more creative.
Did you ever used to feel more creative?
Yes, yeah, yeah.
I feel like.
Isn't that weird?
Yeah.
It's just, yeah, I don't know.
I don't know why.
It's just...
Yeah, maybe that's it.
Because it's just so people just want more content all the time.
Oh, even three years ago, it seemed like if you put out a really neat clip, it lived longer.
Now, a week.
If that.
If that.
Yeah, maybe even a day.
People are forgotten.
You could murder, but nobody cares four days later.
You could murder someone.
You didn't make another clip that says you were not convicted.
And if people think you're not a murderer, you made it all.
it's crazy, though.
I feel like policemen would still remember that.
Yeah, you're right, probably.
So, you're right about that.
Um, dude, best of luck in the fight to August 31st.
Yeah, yeah, bro.
Okay, great.
And that's streaming on Misfits.
That is on Misfits, yeah.
Okay, great, man.
Yeah, um, and that's gonna be, where's it taking place at?
Uh, Dublin, Free Arena.
Yeah, yeah, mental, right?
That's gonna be crazy, dude.
I can't wait to be at the Free Arena.
Apparently, it's such a sick stadium.
Yeah.
Or arena, should I say?
Um, awesome, man.
Thank you so much for your time, brother.
Sweet.
Cheers, man.
Do I just leave now?
Or we can just, yeah, I mean, I think we could, we just can be done whenever.
I just am really.
Well, I mean, I literally just walked in and there was no warm-up or anything.
Yeah, that's how the robots do it.
It's just raw, bro.
Hey, look, I might be one of those humanoids.
Fuck.
God, I would hate that, though.
Imagine you get home and the robot wants to fuck and you're like, uh, give me a few minutes.
And it's just chasing you around the house.
What would you do?
You'd have to fuck it.
Because you can't, like, you can't say no.
Yeah.
It'll rip a door off.
Yeah, bro.
It's like, the fuck is this?
You think this is fucking?
What do you mean?
Yeah.
We're fucking.
We're fucking.
It's just short circuits.
We're fucking.
More soup.
Wait, so we're fucking.
When would it stop?
I don't know.
Maybe with it.
As in, like, no, when, like, when the battery's down, I guess.
So it could just go on forever.
What if you try to turn off your phone, but your phone dies or something?
I think.
And you said it's a heavy fucking radio.
All right.
We should stop.
Exactly.
Shake your snatch.
Now I'm just footing on the breeze.
And I feel I'm falling like these leaves.
I must be cornerstone.
Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this piece of my life found.