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Wayne Gretzky is a former professional hockey player and coach who spent 20 seasons in the NHL. He is a 4x time Stanley Cup champion, the holder of numerous NHL records and widely regarded as “The Great One”. Hockey legend Wayne Gretzky joins This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von to chat about growing up a child athlete superstar, his dad making bootleg ice rinks, becoming a legend in Canada, bringing the Stanley Cup to his parent’s BBQ, his crazy Hulk Hogan story, and more. Wayne Gretzky: https://www.instagram.com/waynegretzky/ ------------------------------------------------ Tour Dates! https://theovon.com/tour New Merch: https://www.theovonstore.com ------------------------------------------------- Sponsored By: Celsius: Go to the Celsius Amazon store to check out all of their flavors. #CELSIUSBrandPartner #CELSIUSLiveFit https://amzn.to/3HbAtPJ Füm: Start the Good Habit at http://tryfum.com/THEO to save an additional 20% off the Journey Pack today until December 1st, and 10% off year round. Manscaped: Go to http://manscaped.com and use code THEO to get 20% off and free shipping. BlueChew: Go to http://bluechew.com and use code THEO to receive your first month FREE - just pay $5 shipping. Shopify: Go to http://shopify.com/theo to sign up for a $1-per-month free trial. Valor Recovery Coaching: To learn more about Valor Recovery please visit them at www.valorrecoverycoaching.com or email them at admin@valorrecoverycoaching.com DraftKings: Download the DraftKings Sportsbook app NOW and use code THEO. New customers can bet $5 on the NFL Thanksgiving action to score $150 instantly in bonus bets. Gambling problem? Call 1-800-Gambler. In New York, call 877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369). In West Virginia, visit www.1800gambler.net. Please play responsibly. In Connecticut, Help is available for problem gambling call 888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org. On behalf of Boot Hill Casino & Resort (KS). Must be 21 or older in most eligible states but age varies by jurisdiction. See draftkings.com/sportsbook for details and state specific responsible gambling resources. Eligibility and deposit restrictions apply. Bonus bets expire one hundred sixty eight hours after issuance. Terms at sportsbook.DraftKings.com/football terms ------------------------------------------------- Music: "Shine" by Bishop Gunn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3A_coTcUek ------------------------------------------------ Submit your funny videos, TikToks, questions and topics you'd like to hear on the podcast to: tpwproducer@gmail.com Hit the Hotline: 985-664-9503 Video Hotline for Theo Upload here: https://www.theovon.com/fan-upload Send mail to: This Past Weekend 1906 Glen Echo Rd PO Box #159359 Nashville, TN 37215 ------------------------------------------------ Find Theo: Website: https://theovon.com Instagram: https://instagram.com/theovon Facebook: https://facebook.com/theovon Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thispastweekend Twitter: https://twitter.com/theovon YouTube: https://youtube.com/theovon Clips Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheoVonClips Shorts Channel: https://bit.ly/3ClUj8z ------------------------------------------------ Producer: Zach https://www.instagram.com/zachdpowers/ Producer: Nick https://www.instagram.com/realnickdavis/ Producer: Colin https://instagram.com/colin_reiner Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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	Today's guest is a legend in the sport of hockey and a legend just in humanity, in human history.
	It's a name that's synonymous with being victorious.
	He's a four-time Stanley Cup winner.
	He has more records than Sun Studios.
	This guy has more records in hockey than anyone.
	You can catch him on the TNT NHL panel.
	I'm so thankful to spend time with him today, Mr. Wayne Gretzky.
	Shine that light on me I'll sit and tell you my stories Shine on me And I will find a song I've been singing I'm gonna stay I'm gonna stay These are excellent.
	Yeah, I'm from Louisiana, man.
	It's pretty good.
	We'd never had, we had a team.
	I think it was the algae or something.
	I don't know what our.
	It was at the East Coast League, probably.
	Yeah, it was like, or the Mudbirds or something.
	Some team.
	Mudbirds?
	Yes.
	It was definitely like, even the mascot sounded like it wasn't going to survive.
	You know, it was like, I think it was the, um...
	The mascot got traded.
	I think it was the oil spill pigeons or something.
	Like, because we had a lot of issues down there.
	That was very funny.
	So I think our mascot was, yeah, it was bad.
	The mascot always had bandages on and stuff.
	I remember they bring it.
	It was just, it didn't do well.
	The timing probably wasn't great.
	It's kind of grown now.
	Like, there's a team here in Atlanta that does pretty well.
	It's like comparable to AA in baseball.
	It's not AAA.
	And they do pretty good here.
	And they're talking about bringing another NHL team to Atlanta.
	No way.
	Maybe the third time in 40 years.
	Yeah, they tried it twice, I know, over the history of time.
	And do you know, like, yeah, why doesn't it succeed, you think, in certain markets?
	Is it just not the...
	Does it just take people to be there or does it take something special to be in a market for hockey to survive?
	It's a little bit of both because we don't have, you know, we don't have like baseball and football, it's been in the South and the Southwest forever, right?
	Oh, yeah.
	Hockey's just kind of getting there.
	So back in the 70s when the flames first came in, the expansion rules were different.
	The owners wanted the money, the league wanted the money, but they gave you the worst teams.
	So they would go five, six, seven years and go, well, it's not a hockey city.
	Well, people get tired of paying to watch a team lose, right?
	So then they came back again.
	It was kind of the same expansion rules, and it failed again.
	Everybody got wiser.
	And when Vegas came in, they got the ninth best player on every team.
	They got low draft picks, and they built a foundation and people got excited.
	Look, our team's good.
	Seattle got the same sort of thing as Vegas.
	If Atlanta gets another team, they're going to get that advantage again.
	Yeah, they're going to get good treatment.
	And maybe this will become a good hockey city because people are saying, geez, we're winning and let's go to the games.
	So it's not fair to people of Atlanta.
	Their teams are so bad, you just say, I'm not paying anymore.
	Yeah, at a certain point, you can't go and be really supporting some of the teams.
	I think in the South, well, the South is also kind of religious.
	There's more religion there, you know?
	And the only person we've ever seen even kind of, or the only person that people believe like behaves like or gets wild on water is Jesus, really.
	So I think the second you see a guy saying, hey, look what I'm going to do out here on this frozen lake, I think it makes you wonder what's going on here.
	Well, in Canada, we call our arenas churches.
	Oh, yeah?
	Because, you know, in Canada, it's hockey and religion.
	Those are the two biggest things, right?
	So you can be, you know, sports is very popular in our country.
	Football, Canadian football, baseball.
	The Blue Jays do well.
	The Raptors have done really well.
	So it's kind of Canada's team, the Raptors and the Blue Jays.
	Yeah.
	But hockey is everywhere, right?
	So you can be driving in your car in July, and if you're listening to talk radio, it's still 90% hockey that they're talking about June, July, and August.
	Because you can still do it.
	And it's so popular, right?
	Oh, yeah.
	People love it.
	I think it's unbelievable.
	Yeah, it's, you know, like down in the U.S., I always encourage parents to tell their kids, play every sport, tennis, baseball, football, basketball, soccer, field lacrosse.
	And they're all so big.
	And if you sat down here, you would say, okay, baseball is probably the most popular sport.
	Or no, it's basketball is the biggest sport.
	And then you're like, well, football is pretty big.
	But in Canada, there's no definition.
	It's one.
	It's one.
	It's ice.
	It's hockey.
	That's it.
	Yeah, I think, I'm trying to think of why we never, yeah, I think, yeah, up there, if everything's frozen, you at least, you know.
	Yeah, well, we got a big advantage because you got free ice.
	Yeah, you got free ice.
	Right.
	You know, it's a big thing.
	Oh, yeah.
	Ice is, I think, $18 a bag where I'm from.
	Yeah, it's, it's, ice is expensive.
	And, you know, parents, a lot of parents, it's hard for them to afford hockey equipment, ice skates, paying for ice time.
	But in Canada, most of the places you can play.
	I grew up in southern Ontario, which is basically between Niagara Falls, New York, and Detroit.
	Oh, yeah.
	I mean, that's the third shelf of the freezer section, buddy.
	It gets pretty chilly there.
	So we had an ice rink in my backyard from the time I was.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I saw some lore about that.
	So my dad would go and he would buy a sprinkler head in December, which they always thought he was crazy.
	Who's buying a sprinkler head Christmas time?
	Anyway, and he would put it out in the middle of the ice and he would let it go back and forth for like two hours and then go move it another part of the ice.
	And his ice was always about this thick and it would last till probably the end of March.
	Did he lay a good rank?
	Oh, he had the best.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	And it was funny.
	People used to stop by the house and say, how does Walter get his grass so green?
	What do you do?
	What are you putting in your grass?
	My dad didn't do anything.
	It was just probably from the ice being so good for the grass.
	He always had the greenest grass in the neighborhood and didn't do anything.
	That's pretty classic, man.
	Yeah, we had some uneven areas.
	I remember I played baseball.
	I mean, I don't know if I was, you know, mom signed me up a couple seasons, man, and it wasn't great for me.
	But our field was uneven.
	We had an uneven field.
	So every ball, if you hit anything second base, it was all ended up in right field, right?
	We probably had 25% gradient on the field.
	So we had at least two right fielders always, at least.
	Well, that's probably now listen.
	I grew up loving baseball.
	I went and saw my grandson play the other day.
	He had his hat on backwards.
	I think he was picking Danny Lyons.
	Always, yeah.
	Oh, yeah, there's always that kid out there who ends up doing being a gardener or something.
	Yeah, and then I took him to, we went to watch him play ice hockey the next day, and they're out there sweating and skating for an hour, loving it.
	Yeah.
	And they got to figure out a way to get these kids more enthusiastic about baseball because it's not a lot of fun for some of them who are standing out in the outfield.
	Yeah, I think, and I think that's one of the reasons, I don't know if baseball is, I guess it's always America's sport because there's something rooted in tradition about it.
	There's something, I mean, you give an American a hot dog.
	They'll sit there and do anything for a little while, you know?
	But I think it's true.
	Yeah.
	And I, you know, I do it if somebody's like.
	And the history of the game, you know, the history of baseball from Babe Ruth, what he did, to what Jackie Robinson did for everyone.
	There's so much history.
	And let's face it, it's economically easier to buy a pair of shoes and a baseball glove than to have to buy a whole entire hockey equipment sort of to set that up in certain parts, right?
	And then in other parts, it's the other way around, you know?
	Like it would be tougher to like heat a basketball court in the winter in Canada so that people have the opportunity to be there and play as much.
	Yeah, we don't, you know, although the Raptors have really found a niche in our country.
	Yeah.
	Like they're huge.
	Yeah, people love them.
	I was in your country when they won the championship.
	And I wasn't in Vancouver, but people were like beating each other and hugging each other at the same time.
	So like in our country, like you're in Vancouver, you're a Canucks fan and you're in Alberta, you're either Flames, Oilers, and all the way across, right?
	But if you're in Vancouver or Newfoundland, you're a Blue Jays fan or a Raptors fan.
	It's just, it's Canada's team and they just all cling to it.
	It's something pretty special about it.
	And I always see when guys get traded up there more basketball than baseball and the guys, well, I don't want to play in Canada.
	I want to stay in my own country.
	But the guys who go there will tell you, they get treated phenomenally.
	It's a great city to live in.
	It's a great country.
	And people are nice.
	Oh, people's always so nice in Canada.
	Even if somebody was angry, they may, I bet they would, they'd come across the street and they'd just say, hey, I'm angry, but I'm sorry.
	There's a lot of stories up there.
	They're just too kind.
	Well, I noticed even like, you know, I grew up in the South, there's a lot of like, I don't know if there's still as much, but especially when I was growing up, there was like more racial disparity down there, you know, because there's a lot of history of like black and white racism down there.
	And when I was in Canada, I don't feel that energy.
	I don't everybody seems the same.
	It's like I often say that to people that we just, we don't seem to have racism in our country.
	People all seem to get along.
	Yeah.
	You know, and it's that's why people always come up to me and they say, you're from Canada, right?
	And I say, yeah, they're like, Canadians are all so nice.
	And I go, yeah, I think they are.
	And I said, but you know, I got five American kids, five American grandchildren, and they're all nice kids too.
	So you can meet a lot of nice people in the United States.
	Right, yeah.
	Well, I think if you're coming out of that Gretzky lineage, I think you guys have to seen you guys, I mean, it seemed pretty just like nice folks, you know.
	Well, they had a good mother.
	So you know, listen, when you're working and playing hockey, you know, it's hard.
	You know, the schedule's tough.
	Oh, yeah, you can't.
	Especially playing on the West Coast in LA and Edmonton.
	We're always either playing or in an airplane, right?
	So listen, I love my kids dearly, but it was the mother who was around them.
	The mothers are so, so vital.
	It was like my relationship with my mom and dad was very close.
	My dad was sort of this hockey father of the country.
	You know, people loved my mother.
	Oh, yeah, Walter Gretzky, man.
	But I would always say, but it was my mom behind the scenes that kept our family.
	She was a wonderful lady, and she always kind of stayed out of the limelight.
	Like when I was a kid and I'd play, all the parents used to sit sort of together, and my mom would sit in a corner by herself.
	What did she like to do, your mom?
	Like what were some, like when she had time for herself, what were some hobbies that she liked?
	Because I, I mean, from what I hear, from what it sounds like, your dad probably got pretty involved with you once you started playing hockey as much.
	So a lot of people don't know this, but I had a Down syndrome aunt, and she was born in the 50s.
	And back in those days, they would take these kids and basically they put them in asylums and medicate them.
	Oh, yeah, Jesus.
	Yeah, people didn't know what to do.
	So my grandmother said, you know, I'm not sending her to school.
	So she never went to school a day in her life.
	She was, by the end, she was a little bit blind.
	She lived till she was 63. And my grandfather was from Russia, Belarus, Minsk, Russia.
	My grandmother was from Ukraine.
	And the kids were born in Canada.
	And my grandfather would speak to her in Russian.
	My grandmother would speak to her in Ukrainian.
	And we all communicated with her in English.
	Oh.
	That'd be anybody down to my parental life.
	And my dad used to always say, if you don't believe in the good Lord, there's a great example right here.
	So she was trilingual then?
	She could understand, but she spoke only English.
	And if you didn't know her, you'd have a hard time understanding her.
	But we grew up with her, so we were fine.
	So when my grandmother was passing, she said, do me one favor, don't put her in her home.
	And of course, my mother said, I'll take care of her.
	So she lived with my parents for at least 12 years, I guess.
	And then when you were a child, too?
	It was when you were a kid?
	No, she, so my grandmother would have passed in 88. And that's when she moved in with my mom and dad.
	So she had her hands full with her own kids, grandkids, my aunt.
	Her enjoyment really was Friday nights going with her mom, who was my grandmother.
	They loved bingo.
	That was a big thing in our hometown.
	And she could, my dad said she could play bingo every night.
	She loved it that much.
	And I used to go, how'd you do today?
	I want $7.
	I'm like, okay, at least you're winning.
	So her life was around our kids and the grandkids, but her enjoyment was going to bingo.
	Wow.
	So she was kind of, she just found a lot of joy in her family and then some simple pleasure.
	Sounds like just simple pleasures kind of.
	She was very simple.
	Like she was, I'll tell you, when I turned pro, I said to my parents, I'm going to buy you a house.
	And my mom and dad said, we don't need a house.
	We're fine right here.
	And I, so there was a little piece of property.
	It was an acre just down the street from where I grew up and where they were living.
	So I went and bought it secretly.
	And I took them over there.
	And my mom said, what are you doing?
	I said, well, I'm going to build you this house here.
	Something really special.
	She goes, no, no, my house is fine.
	She goes, but if you want to do something, you can put a pool in our backyard.
	I put a pool in the backyard and sold my piece of property because they didn't want to move into it.
	And they lived there to the very end.
	And when my dad passed recently, I bought the house.
	And so now I own my house.
	Oh, yeah.
	I was going to ask actually what that was like.
	So your mom was like, now that all that skating's done, I want a pool back here.
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	She said, your father's not building a hockey rink anymore.
	I want a swimming pool.
	She loved having the swimming pool in the backyard.
	There is something nice about it, isn't it?
	Yeah.
	And she loved the barbecue.
	I was telling a story, you know, now they have everything so regimented, right?
	So back in, back in when you win the Stanley Cup, they have these two guys that travel with the trophy because it's so special.
	Like they don't want anything to happen to it and they don't want it to break.
	And so they keep a good eye on it.
	Right, like kind of like a net, like a little bit of like a like little gargoyles kind of like protect their head or whatever.
	Yeah, they just watch it.
	They travel with it.
	Like hitman or whatever.
	Yeah.
	Oh, my mom got pissed if we got by her nice dishes.
	She did.
	Yeah.
	So there they are.
	In those days, when I won a championship, I remember one day it was the summertime.
	I was at my folks' house.
	My mom was doing a barbecue.
	Both grandmothers were there.
	And I'm sitting there and I said to my dad, geez, I should just, I should get the Stanley Cup here and get some pictures.
	So I called the Hall of Fame and I said, hey, I'm having a barbecue this afternoon.
	Can you guys drive down the Stanley Cup?
	And they said, yeah, yeah, we'll be down in an hour.
	They got in a car, put the cup in, drove down, gave me the cup.
	We took pictures in the backyard.
	And then they took the cup back to the Hall of Fame.
	Now it's all organized, right?
	Now each guy gets a day with the cup.
	It's all organized and the guys travel with the trophy.
	But back then, it was just like, hey, can I have the cup this afternoon?
	And they said, yeah, no problem.
	They bring the cup down.
	So some of the best pictures I have are with my grandmother, my mom, my dad in the backyard just holding a stand like up.
	Yeah.
	Plate of beans in one hand and the side of the cup in the other.
	Oh, yeah, that was big, huh?
	Yeah.
	Oh, wow.
	Yeah.
	I can only have so much corn in there.
	I wish I had some beans usually.
	Yeah, dude, you're like an ice master.
	Do you ever realize, like, you kind of mastered like a, or anyway, to me, it seems like, you know, like, do you ever go to like, are you ever at like Disney on ice?
	You ever take your kids to Disney on Ice and you're just like, yell, you know, you're like, those chipmunks are off sides, you know?
	Like, like, do you have that much of a, or when you see an ice maker on a fridge, you just growl at it?
	I feel like you just have that.
	No, that's not a, you're a frozen water mask.
	I will tell you this, though.
	I said to somebody the other day, we were on a lake and they said, you want to jump in?
	And it was kind of a cold day.
	I said, you know, I'm way better when that water's frozen.
	I'm not going in.
	But I did go to Disney on Ice one time because my friend and neighbor, Scotty Hamilton, I went to see the show one time.
	Scotty Hamilton, he's a dancer.
	Yeah, he was an Olympic gold medalist.
	Oh, he's an Olympic gold medalist.
	Yeah, and then he did.
	Figure figure skater.
	Yeah, figure skater.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So he was really phenomenal figure skater.
	Oh, there he is right there.
	Yeah, and a wonderful guy.
	So I think he was at either Disney on Ice or one of those shows.
	And we went to see it, and we sat down by the ice.
	And I think the time Katerina Vitt was in it.
	Oh, yeah.
	And it was spicy.
	Yeah, it was pretty phenomenal, like what they can do.
	It's so different than ice skating.
	Like, I think there's a lot of figure skaters that could transfer to ice skating, but I don't think there's a lot of ice skaters that could put on figure skates and do well.
	Yeah.
	It's a whole different thing.
	They're so athletic.
	I lived with a guy for like probably four months, and he was, I don't know what he was.
	He was pretty tall, but he would, he was a figure skater.
	And he took us outside one time.
	They had a Volkswagen rabbit outside and he ran and jumped over it from one side to the other side.
	That's pretty amazing.
	It was just unbelievable.
	And it was just like, yeah, it was just like, it just blew my mind, man.
	Well, they're, you know, the training and the techniques that they have, because they have to do those turns and have to get high in the air to be able to do a triple.
	Yeah.
	So they probably, in the offseason, they probably do a lot of squat training, you know, so that when they do get on the ice, it's much easier for them.
	But yeah, they're really, they get out there.
	Yeah, those guys really can do it.
	I think ice skating is pretty incredible.
	Yeah, I think we just miss being in the southern part of the U.S., we miss all of the lacrosse.
	We miss all of the, you know, the sports really, the whatever it's called, the difference of sports just changes over, you know, as you go down south.
	But, you know, I was talking earlier about how popular hockey is, and it's definitely huge in our country.
	But if you were to go around anywhere and interview people outside of Canada and say, what is the national sport of Canada?
	They'd all say ice hockey, or 90% of them.
	But it's lacrosse.
	But it's actually lacrosse.
	Lacrosse was invented in Six Nations Reserve, which is just outside of my hometown of Brantford.
	So a couple of things we're very proud of.
	Alexander Graham Bell made his first phone call from Brantford, my hometown.
	Did he really?
	Yes.
	Who'd he called?
	He called somebody in Paris, Ontario, which was like 15 minutes away, 15 miles away.
	Probably a chick, I bet.
	Who are you going to call?
	If you get your first call, you're going to call probably some woman or some lady you might want to send out.
	So they actually have the telephone in Brantford.
	Oh.
	Yeah.
	And the other thing is what we're very proud of was that lacrosse was invented in Canada.
	It was a great sport.
	Yeah, dude, I didn't even know about Canada.
	I mean, I didn't even, when I was growing up, we didn't even really believe in Canada either.
	Listen, I will tell you this.
	In Canada, and I don't mean this to be controversial, we learned growing up the geography of pretty much the world, but a lot of Canada and the United States.
	Where American kids kind of grow up, they didn't learn a whole lot about Canada.
	There's provinces, like a lot of Canadian kids can name every state and every capital, but there's only a handful of people I know that can name all the provinces.
	Oh, probably 70 people have met in America.
	I'm not even joking.
	I remember in our school, we learned about America, right?
	Some kids could barely do that.
	But then above it, on the map, they had a picture of a, it was like a wolf chasing a boy, you know?
	And that was, and we're like, well, what is that?
	And they're like, that's that, you know, that's Canada.
	One of the first things I learned was the capital of Louisiana, Baton Rouge.
	Oh, yeah.
	I always remember that.
	I don't know why I remember that, but I did.
	It's a pretty good place.
	They had a hockey team for a little while.
	Didn't do well, but.
	I think hockey's going to start going back there now.
	You watch because people are, the greatest thing about our sport are the people who are in the game, like Ovechkin and Crosby and McDavid and Matthews.
	And some of the Bruins, too.
	Yeah, they're just good, good kids.
	You know, like they understand, like they're hardworking and they love, they're unselfish to their teams, but they're unreal for the league and in their communities.
	Like these kids are good kids.
	So our sport is growing and expanding all the time.
	And more and more kids are playing hockey in Arizona, Texas, Louisiana, Florida.
	So Nevada, Nevada is a hotbed right now because the hockey team's done so well.
	Yeah, people, it gets infectious.
	Yeah, and everybody loves it.
	So I think more and more kids will start playing hockey, and I see our game just growing all the time.
	Was there a part of the game that you like, did you ever play goalie?
	Because every time I see clips of you and everything, you're always not playing goalie, right?
	Which is fine.
	If I was a goalie, I'd be more like playing dodgeball.
	Right.
	Keeping out of the way.
	Did you ever do it to learn about what it was like?
	Like, did you ever like, We played ball hockey.
	Ball hockey played with a tennis ball and running shoes.
	Okay.
	Unlike a sport court or gymnasium.
	And so the only time I would play goal where I wasn't scared to get hit by a puck, it was a tennis ball.
	Every now and then I play gold.
	But I was, listen, people used to ask me, do you ever block a shot?
	And first of all, do you know how hard that puck is?
	And for the average hockey fan, they don't realize those pucks are, every puck is frozen.
	So the pucks that you're using are not only hurt, but they're frozen too.
	They're frozen.
	So they're in the referee's box.
	And so they're frozen.
	The Patriots probably did it.
	Frozen so they don't bounce.
	So it doesn't bounce.
	Really?
	Because it's made out of what, rubber?
	Rubber, yeah.
	Oh, my God.
	And so they used to say, do you ever block a shot?
	And I said, why would I?
	That's why they pay the goalie.
	That's not my job.
	I don't ask him to score goals.
	He doesn't need to ask me to block shots.
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	Was there a, you had so many records, man.
	Was there something that you felt like you wanted to get that you couldn't get kind of?
	Was there, or were you even keeping tabs on that kind of stuff?
	Yeah, I didn't really keep tabs on it.
	I never, when I retired, I knew it was time to retire and I didn't think back and say, gosh, I wish I would have done this or accomplished this.
	But I did look back and say, okay, because people ask me, what is your favorite record?
	And they're all fun.
	They're all, you know, I'm proud of them all.
	But I got my favorite record is the year I scored 50 goals in 39 games.
	And for me, it's my favorite record.
	Third season or something?
	Yeah.
	And that's my favorite record because, listen, all records are made to be broken.
	But to me, that's going to be the hardest record to break to get 50 goals in 38 games.
	So from that point of view, it's my favorite.
	You seem like the kind of guy that if somebody broke it, you would even be, you would applaud the fact that they did that well.
	You know, listen, I learned from two of the best people in the world, my dad, who is a wonderful man, and Gordy Howe.
	And Gordy Howe was my idol.
	When you're a kid and you have an idol, a lot of times you meet them and you go, I was just okay.
	Maybe like I had a bad day or whatever.
	And you go, well, I met Gordy Howe when I was 10. And my dad said to me, how was meeting Gordy Howe?
	And I said, I can't believe it.
	And he goes, what?
	I said, he was bigger, better, and nicer than I ever imagined in my little brain at 10 years old, you know.
	And so when I was breaking records, Gordy Howe was always there.
	He was the first guy to shake my hand and give me a hug.
	And so, you know, a vetchkin's going to break my record, which is going to be great for our game.
	And when he does, I'll be there for him.
	I hope I'm on the ice and I hope I get to be one of the first people to congratulate him because it's a special record and it's good for our game if he does break it.
	Yeah.
	Oh, that's him right there.
	It was so exciting because I got the afternoon off school and I got a new suit that morning.
	So it was a big day.
	Oh, yeah.
	You know who you look like a little bit?
	Who's that?
	You know who I'm going to say or no?
	No, no idea.
	Princess Diana a little.
	Just the fact that she's a female, I don't know if that's a compliment or not.
	And I just mean, look, and the, I think it's very much compliment.
	And she was a tough lady.
	I've heard it before.
	Yeah, you have?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, man, I think God.
	Every now and then when my hair is a little whatever, some guys say, guys, you got Rod Stewart hair.
	Oh, I think there's, I bet a couple of men played on your team just because they wanted to be near you, buff.
	But no, Gordy was so nice.
	He was just, so it was a dinner.
	It was a charity dinner.
	This is an incredible story.
	And 700 people were at the dinner.
	And that was the year I scored 400 goals.
	So the city wanted me to be part of it.
	And, you know, when you're 10 years old, you can't even stand up and do a speech in front of your classmates, right?
	So they had told the guy.
	You're only 10 at this time.
	Yeah.
	So they had told the MC, Wayne's, just introduced him.
	He's not going to talk.
	And so Joe Theisman was there.
	Yeah, Gordy Howe.
	When you were 10?
	Yeah, Sandy Holly, a famous jockey.
	And so they all get up and they kind of talk for seven or eight minutes and people laugh and giggle.
	So the guy announces my name.
	And I'm like, oh, no.
	And I'm already frozen.
	And Gordy says to me, now listen, when you go up there, just tell them you're lost without your skates and your hockey stick.
	And so I go, okay, okay.
	So I got up there and I was shaking.
	And I remember I said, thank you.
	And I started bawling.
	I got a standing ovation.
	I went and sat down.
	So years later, I called, a friend of mine called me and he said, Gordy's hometown of Saskatoon, they're doing this charity dinner, which is like a Lions Club, which was very similar to the one I did in my hometown.
	Yeah, we had a Lions Club in our town, too.
	So I called Gordy and his son Mark and I said, listen, Gordy came to my hometown when I was 10. I'd really like Gordy to come with me to Saskatoon.
	I want to surprise everybody.
	So we were in Saskatoon this dinner and they sold, I think there was about 3,000 people there.
	And the Prime Minister of Canada happened to be in town.
	And he called me and he says, is it okay if I come over there and sort of emcee this and ask you a few questions for the people?
	And I said, absolutely.
	No problem at all.
	So I said, oh, by the way, nobody knows this, but I flew Gordy in.
	He's at the hotel and Gordy's going to come tonight and we're going to introduce him.
	Well, it was like I wasn't there anymore.
	The prime minister was like, okay, maybe somebody will do you and I'll do Gordy.
	So anyway, when I got up on stage, I said to everybody, I got a great surprise.
	I met him in my hometown.
	I figured I should come to his hometown.
	And Gordy Howe came out.
	And I swear to God, if people didn't stop clapping, they'd still be clapping today because it was the longest, nicest, standing ovation that I've ever seen somebody get.
	And he was so genuinely loved.
	And he was such, he was a really, people don't realize this.
	Gordie Howe is a dirty player.
	First time I play against him, I took the puck from him.
	And next thing I know, I got a whack.
	I was 17 years old and he cracked my thumb.
	He said, don't ever take the puck from me again.
	I said, okay, never going to happen again.
	Anyway, so he got such an evasion.
	And after the event, we went back to the hotel and Gordy had brought back a couple of his buddies that he knew that he hadn't seen in a while, a couple older gentlemen.
	And we just sat around and remember, he sat there and he had a cold beer.
	And he said, this was one of the greatest days, greatest nights of my life.
	So it was very cool.
	When you look at like when you were a kid, was most of Your relationship with your dad, like hockey, like, was it tough to?
	Because if you became like, if you excelled at something early, right?
	And a lot of times, fathers and sons will, it's tough for fathers and sons to find like a common ground sometimes to connect on things.
	You know, parents are always putting their kids into different things, and dads are always trying to connect with their children, you know.
	Was there other ways that you could like, was that most of y'all's relationship?
	Like, I'm just kind of like, I guess I'm curious what it was like.
	We had a normal relationship, like normal father-son.
	He was both parents, tremendously supportive.
	You know, by the time I was 10, 11, 12 years old, I was playing in arenas that were selling out.
	That's crazy.
	You were like a circuses in town.
	A little bit.
	I mean, not like that, but like, I know you mean.
	But in those days, too, it was such a big world because there was no internet.
	There was no cell phones.
	And so a kid might be three hours away and you would hear about them.
	And then when you play against them, my dad would be in the car.
	And after the game, he would say to me, his favorite line was always, no matter how good you think you are, there's somebody out there better than you.
	And I'd say, okay.
	And even when I was 15, 16, when people said, okay, he's going to be a professional hockey player, my dad never one time said, you know, oh, he's a can't miss or he's going to make it.
	I mean, he hoped because he knew how much I loved it, but he never pressured me.
	The only thing he pressured me about is he would call me, say, you didn't miss any classes today.
	So he's like, oh, yeah.
	I said, Dad, I don't miss class because if I miss class, the team, so I was playing junior hockey and it was hard because we practice every day and we travel a lot.
	Yeah.
	And so the team was always on you, like, you better be in class.
	So he was more concerned that I was in class.
	I remember I was 17 and I had this school teacher and he, it was, I was taking a physics class and I hated physics and chemistry.
	I kept thinking, now, where's this going to, where am I going to use this in the world?
	Yeah.
	That's all I kept thinking.
	Anyway, and he said, if you just put the work in, I'll pass you.
	So I did.
	I went to an extra class every day with him and he worked an extra half hour every day.
	He passed me.
	And that was the year, that month, I got offered to turn pro and I signed a pro contract.
	And I remember I came back and I bought him a gift.
	It wasn't a whole, it wasn't a big thing.
	It was like a briefcase or something, thanking him for being so patient with me and being so nice to me.
	He was so grateful.
	And it was always sort of when I signed, my dad said, you're going to stay pro hockey.
	You're going to stay in high school till you're 18. I don't care what you do, but you're going to school till you're 18. So here I am playing pro hockey.
	You were going to high school?
	I was picking up my teammate's daughter.
	We were in the same class.
	No way.
	The guy's name was Jim Nilsson, and I would pick his daughter up.
	We were in the same school, same class.
	Then I'd go to practice.
	You were like Ice Vis Presley.
	So the principal called me in one day and he said, son, I don't know.
	You're not going to amount to anything.
	You're missing too many classes.
	I'm like, well, he said, you know, I should just kick you out.
	And I said, listen, it was like early January.
	And I said, listen, do me a favor.
	And he goes, what?
	I said, give me until January 26th.
	And if I haven't changed my act by then, you can kick me out.
	But I knew I couldn't go to class because we were always traveling and playing.
	I was playing pro hockey, playing in Quebec City and going to Cincinnati.
	Do you have an ego?
	Were you in class?
	Were you like the Fons at this point in class?
	I sat in the back corner.
	I just mind my own business.
	So the day I turned 18, I walked into the principal and I said, I just want to thank you for not kicking me out, but I quit.
	I'm done.
	And I quit school.
	I called my dad and my dad said, well, you promised me you'd stay at 18 because the contract wasn't valid unless he would sign it.
	My father would sign it.
	Because I wasn't 18 yet.
	And so he said, I'll sign it, but you got to stay in high school.
	So did you ever finish high school technically?
	No, but I'm a doctor.
	Yeah.
	Does that mean anything?
	I'm an honorary doctor.
	It counts to me, bro.
	So you speak most of the 12 grades, and I think that's a lot.
	People are always like, you got to do all of them.
	Yeah.
	I always, yeah, you know what?
	I'm an honorary doctor.
	It's funny.
	I did the commencement speech for, I said, okay, I'm going to pick one.
	And people have been kind enough to offer me.
	And I said, you know what, I'm going to do one.
	And so I picked the University of Alberta, which is in Emerton, which I thought was fitting.
	And I have, it's so funny because I have different nicknames.
	So in the hockey world, they call me Gretz.
	Gretzky, great one?
	No, just Gratz.
	And in the golf world, they call me Doc.
	Because I was telling the guys one day, I was playing with, I think it was Dustin and Jordan Spieth.
	And I said, you know, I'm a doctor.
	Something to that effect.
	So the golf world calls me Doc.
	And the hockey world calls me Gretz.
	Do you ever get to play with Sheldon Torrey?
	You know, Sheldon?
	I play a lot with him.
	Yeah.
	We're next door neighbors.
	Oh, that's awesome.
	Sheldon's a friend of mine.
	He's just going to have a baby right now.
	Yeah.
	That's so exciting.
	No, he's an unreal guy.
	He's a beautiful guy.
	Like, I'm not saying he's beautiful, but somebody said that.
	He's beautiful, too.
	He's got a big heart.
	He's got a huge heart.
	He's so mellow.
	Sheldon's not going to have a heart attack.
	Like, he's always mellow.
	He's always happy.
	He's never upset.
	A very calm person.
	Yeah, he's a wonder.
	Him and his wife are great people.
	Yeah, he's handsome, dude.
	I think that's the weird thing about Silver.
	He's big.
	Oh, yeah.
	He's violently handsome.
	You're like, damn, that dude's handsome.
	And then he hits you.
	Yeah, and that's why I always say to people, I looked at guys like him, and that's why I retired.
	They're so big.
	They're getting so.
	And today, these guys are so big today.
	And the equipment is so much better.
	And the skates are so much better.
	And the teaching that they get at a younger age is so much better.
	These guys are incredible athletes.
	And I'm glad I played when I played.
	I'm glad I'm gone now.
	Yeah, sometimes it's like you fit in time in a certain space, you know?
	Time means everything.
	I know.
	Yeah.
	You would know, man.
	I got lucky.
	You know, listen, I came in at the right time.
	I came in.
	When I came in, they Had a WHA, which was similar to ABA, AFL, and they were signing kids under 20. Which seems illegal in some places.
	I mean, it's like, how?
	Well, so I signed, but had there not been that league, I might have had to play another three years of junior.
	You never know if you get hurt.
	I may never have made it.
	So my timing was really fortunate, really lucky.
	Do you like to read any books?
	Are you reading anything?
	I'm reading one right now.
	Kenny Albert.
	Everything I do is sports related.
	Oh, yeah.
	You love it that much, huh?
	So I'll give you an example.
	When I was 15 years old, I was playing on a junior hockey team.
	And it was so exciting because one of my teammates was Murray Howe, who was Gordy Howe's youngest son.
	Oh, wow.
	And he's just a wonderful kid.
	And I wore number nine that year because I always loved Gordy.
	And so when he came in, I said, look, you should wear number nine.
	Your dad's Gordy Howe.
	I switch my number.
	And he goes, no, no, no, no.
	Wayne, this is my last year of hockey.
	I'm going to enjoy it.
	And I go, okay.
	He goes, I'm going to be a doctor.
	He was a really intelligent guy.
	And he did go on to become a doctor.
	So we'd get on the team bus and we'd travel to the city.
	He'd get on there and he'd have all these books, right?
	And I'd get on, no books.
	And he goes, Wayne, you got to get your education.
	You got to, I go, I'm going to a hockey game.
	I can't think about reading right now and doing homework.
	And so about two weeks later, I got on the bus and I had like five or six books.
	I sit down beside him and he goes, good to see you taking notes here, Wayne.
	That's good.
	Good for you.
	And he said, he goes, what do you got?
	Geography, history.
	I go, well, I got Gordiao hockey my way.
	Gordiao hockey tips.
	I said, you want to be a doctor?
	You want to be a doctor.
	I want to be a hockey player.
	But he went on to be a tremendous doctor, and he actually gave the eulogy for his dad's funeral when Gordy passed away, which was pretty remarkable.
	Did you speak at your dad's funeral?
	What was that like?
	Yeah, I did.
	I spoke both at my mom and my dad's.
	And sorry to hear.
	Yeah, sorry about your folks.
	Yeah, it was, you know what?
	It was funny because there's something that just takes over inside you that you get through it, right?
	Like I remember my mom passed, my dad called me and he said, you know, will you speak?
	And I said, of course.
	So when my dad was passing, my brothers and my sister said, you know, will you speak?
	And I said, yeah.
	The ironic thing was when my dad passed, we were still in the midst of the pandemic.
	So it was actually, in a lot of ways, it was nice for our family because there was only 22 of us there.
	And, you know, because you couldn't invite everybody.
	Had it not been at that time, he probably would have had to get buried or had the funeral in a hockey arena with so many people.
	He was still loved by so many people.
	So I found both times sitting there going, oh, this is going to be hard.
	And when I got up there, it just kind of flowed because my dad, when I spoke at his, he was so religious, my dad.
	And, you know, he never missed church on a Sunday.
	He went every Sunday.
	And he used to tease the kids because he tried over the church choir and they wouldn't let him in it.
	Yeah.
	So there was a little boy across the street who was disabled and blind.
	And my dad picked him up every morning at 10 a.m.
	every Sunday morning at 10 a.m.
	and took him to church every Sunday and then brought him back home.
	He'd take him to McDonald's and then back home.
	And he did it every Sunday.
	So when my dad was passing, he's so religious, but I remember he was still fighting to stay down here, so to speak.
	He was 22 days basically on a deathbed, right?
	And the minister would come every night at our house and he would give him his last rites.
	And I say him out again.
	Yeah, I say to the minister, my dad's got the biggest hurt.
	You're coming.
	I'll see you tomorrow.
	So anyway, when I did give the Euligi, I could feel like he was there and he got me through it.
	Wow.
	That's fascinating, man.
	Yeah, I remember I went to my dad's funeral.
	It was like, I don't know.
	It's just such a strange, it's such a, I don't know, it's wild seeing something like that happen.
	Do you think it helped that your father had such a faith?
	Like he knew there was life after death.
	He was going to see his mother.
	He's going to see his father.
	So part of him was probably excited, huh?
	Yeah.
	I think, yeah, in some ways, but I think he wanted to be here as long as he could.
	He loved being around his grandkids.
	He loved being around people.
	He was just really special in that sense.
	You know, I don't, not too often you can say that people don't have enemies, but I don't think my dad had an enemy.
	Like, he was beloved by everyone.
	I remember one time I came home and when I would go home and visit him every now and then, you know, my dad would tell the whole city, right?
	That you were coming?
	Yeah.
	So I got smart on that.
	I call my mom and I'd say, I'll be home tomorrow.
	Don't tell dad.
	So I get there in the morning.
	This is hilarious.
	And I walk in and there's a guy lying on the couch.
	I get over to my mom and I kind of know everybody that goes in and out of our house, you know.
	My mom was in the kitchen and I said, who's lying on the couch?
	Who is that?
	She goes, I don't know.
	But he's hitchhiking across the country from Newfoundland and wanted to see the house.
	So your dad told him to spend the night and have a good meal.
	So that's the kind of guy my dad was.
	And the guy spent the night and got up in the morning and him and I had coffee at the tiny hotel.
	He got to get a picture with my jersey on.
	I happened to be home that day and he was hitchhiking the rest of Canada.
	That was the kind of dad my dad was.
	Wow.
	They should put him in a jersey and let's let him hitchhike the country forever and just make it like a thing, you know?
	Well, you know, it's not the Stanley Cup, but hey guys, have you met Stanley and just fix him?
	There you go.
	Yeah, that would be funny.
	I'm trying to think about something else that's pretty neat, man.
	Do you.
	Well, we could talk about my wife's family.
	My mother-in-law is 102.
	No way.
	Which is amazing.
	Y'all Got that long blood in you, homie.
	She's 102.
	She's a great lady.
	She lived with us, helped raise our kids for 30 years.
	But she lives in our house in St. Louis.
	And when we're there, she likes to go for lunch or dinner almost every day.
	And she gets around on her own.
	It's truly remarkable.
	And what's amazing is that, unfortunately, her dad passed away at 56, which is awful, cancer.
	And two sisters who had breast cancer both passed away.
	And the mom is 102 and still going strong.
	Wow.
	That's incredible.
	Y'all got some longevity then in your genes, huh?
	My dad always said it's the hours you get before midnight.
	For sleeping?
	For sleeping.
	Oh, God.
	That gives you longevity.
	And my mother-in-law is asleep by 8.30 and gets up at 4. I think there's something to that.
	I think there's something to it.
	There's something nice when you're up in the morning and you feel like you just kind of got up with the sun.
	You just feel like you're kind of dialed up.
	Yeah.
	And, you know, it's amazing.
	The older you get, the earlier you get up, right?
	And the less you sleep for some reason.
	Yeah, isn't that weird, man?
	And my dad used to always say, I remember he had a famous quote to me.
	He goes, you know, you spend your whole life as a kid trying to figure out how to stay out of bed.
	And as an adult, you try to figure out your whole life, how do I get to sleep?
	How do I get in bed?
	It's so true.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I think sometimes when people are like, sometimes if I even think about like leaving this earth, you know, and passing away from here, I think about just getting some good rest, you know?
	It's kind of the way I think about it in my head.
	It's like, you know, some of that will be relieving.
	Did you guys ever go on any vacations and stuff when you were a kid?
	Because if you're always doing hockey, it seemed like you're probably always on the run.
	Did y'all ever go to Florida or somewhere, the North Pole?
	That's funny, the North Pole.
	Well, two things.
	My mom's life, and this is sometimes she would complain about this.
	So in the wintertime was hockey tournaments.
	Summertime was lacrosse and baseball tournaments.
	So that was our vacations.
	And then every three years, my dad's sister, because my grandparents in the 50s had tobacco farms.
	And people from the South would come up to work in the summer because the season for picking is a little different.
	So they can make money in Canada and then go back.
	Oh, that's nice.
	So my uncle was from Greensboro, Carolina.
	He married my dad's sister.
	And every two years, we would go down there for two weeks.
	We'd drive down for two weeks and stay there with our cousins and my aunt and uncle.
	And that was probably our vacation, right?
	I remember one time driving back, I convinced my parents to stop in Cooperstown, which was a little out of the way.
	And my mom was so mad.
	She said, we spent an extra six hours driving so you could go to Cooperstown.
	And my dad would say, this is good for him.
	It's okay.
	Oh, that's so much fun.
	Man, I love, even when you were talking about like the lore, like back in the day, if you had, like, if you heard about a kid playing, you'd have to go and see him.
	Yeah, that was the way it was back then.
	Oh, there was something so much more magical about like lore.
	Like they don't have as much of it anymore because everybody, you know, everybody, I don't know.
	But you know, the funny thing is, like, if you say to kids today, like New York to London, England is not that far.
	We used to think Bramford to Windsor, Ontario, which was a two and a half hour drive, was like going to the other side of the world, right?
	Like the world was so much bigger back then.
	Oh, we thought Florida, if we saw somebody had a shirt on in Louisiana, if it said Florida on it, it was like you've been, there was only two places to be there.
	He must be the richest guy here.
	Yeah, heaven and Florida.
	There you go.
	Dang, you've been to Florida?
	We never got to Florida.
	But we got to Carolina, which was really nice.
	It was great going with our relatives.
	And were you guys just all getting in the car and just drive down there?
	Yeah, we had an old car, a station wagon.
	And where would you sit?
	I was always in the back seat, you know.
	And then we would drive and, gosh, we didn't have air conditioning in our car.
	So every now and then you roll down the window so it wasn't as hot.
	But then you get down to Carolina, it was so humid, right?
	You'd be like, oh, put the windows up and let's sweat.
	So my dad used to always tease me when I was 14, 13, 14, 15. He'd always say, if you do make professional hockey, just remember, I just buy me a Cadillac.
	So I bought him one of those big Brits Cadillacs and I brought it home, right?
	So the summer goes by, the year goes by, I go back home the next summer and I look at the car and there's like 80 miles on it.
	And I go and I said to my mom, I said, I bought dad this car.
	Why is he not driving it?
	She goes, he does, he can't drive it to work because he doesn't want to have a nicer car than his boss.
	So he ended up, I think he sold it.
	I don't think he really ever drove it.
	But it was a good father-son thing that we had together growing up as a kid, right?
	Yeah.
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	Do you remember like the first date you ever went on when you were a kid or something like that?
	Really, hockey was my life.
	It was, huh?
	It was your girlfriend.
	I didn't have one.
	Just hockey.
	Yeah.
	Just, you know, I had a junior A coach when I was 16 years old playing with 19, 20 year olds.
	And he would say, playing junior hockey is really hard.
	But being a professional hockey player is a great life.
	And so you said, you got hockey, you got schooling, and you got nightlife.
	And you can only do two of the three.
	So make sure you pick the right two.
	So when you're 16 years old, it was my life.
	I loved, lived, and died it.
	Go to school from 8.30 to 3 o'clock, practice 4 to 6 every night, play usually Thursday, Saturday, Sunday, back to school.
	Same thing, same routine.
	When you see how you were compared to how some other players were, right?
	Did you think that you almost had an abnormality, how much you liked it or how much you focused on it?
	Was it that kind of thing?
	Because I see players, I have friends that are good at things and friends that really are good.
	Let's put it this way.
	I knew there was a lot of other really good players and athletes, but for us, for me, especially when I got to be 16, I knew that was my life.
	Like, I knew it wasn't going to be a great student.
	I knew it was going to be hard for me to get a college degree.
	I understood that.
	I knew my forte was going to be hockey.
	And growing up, playing baseball, track and field, lacrosse, and I encourage parents all the time.
	All those sports helped my hockey.
	Oh, yeah.
	And so by the time I got to 16, I was like, okay, this is what I'm going to do.
	I want to be a professional hockey player.
	And so I really, that was my focus.
	And the only advice my dad used to say, give me really was, you got a great opportunity here to really have a wonderful life.
	And the good Lord blessed you with a love and a passion like I've never seen before.
	And sort of like, don't blow it, don't throw it away.
	And so I always kind of thought that, that I never thought I was missing out going to a different city or going here or doing this.
	If I was, my enjoyment was being on the ice.
	I didn't think I was missing anything else.
	Wow.
	I never even, never even faced me.
	Yeah, that was the thing.
	And, you know, I can remember my dad saying, you know, you're going to have so many opportunities here.
	For some reason, you know, with your aunt being Down syndrome and you growing up with that in the Canadian Institute for the Blind was in my hometown of Brantford.
	Like, there's more than just hockey.
	Like, you're going to be, one day you're going to be a symbol for good things.
	And so I always, I kind of grew up with it, right?
	It was, that was kind of my education.
	What a powerful thing to say to a child, too, you know?
	Oh, yeah.
	That they have the, that they, if they do their best, you know, not even do their best, but if they help people.
	They make enough effort that they have the possibility to be a symbol for good.
	And so.
	That's really powerful.
	Yeah.
	And so, you know, I just, I guess, you know, I became Wayne Gretzky.
	And so just had a love for it.
	That's all.
	Is it hard?
	Trust me, there was a lot of guys with more talent than I had.
	Right.
	There's a lot of guys who were better than I was.
	Really?
	And then there's some guys that I just wanted it more than.
	Yeah.
	But by no means was I the best player ever.
	There were so many great players.
	Did any players ever smoke cigarettes like at halftime or whatever?
	No, that kind of faded out in the late 70s.
	You know, 60s and 70s, people grew up with that.
	Unfortunately, that's what happened to my mother.
	She was a smoker at 16 years old, but that was that era, right?
	Yeah.
	And there was not a lot of hockey players who smoked, but there was a few.
	But by 1980, that was all, it was gone.
	Sometimes you like to romanticize seeing somebody spark, you know.
	Well, I think it was Mickey Mantle or Joe DiMaggio.
	Didn't they do ads for cigarettes in the 50s?
	They used to get paid to be on pictures.
	And everybody just kind of accepted it.
	And now they get mad if you endorse betting.
	That's the new big thing.
	Yeah, a lot of people are doing that now.
	Everything's kind of become like a lot of the ads now are gambling.
	I think a lot of people are gambling on stuff.
	And all the owners, a lot of them own their own places and, you know, all sports, baseball, basketball, football.
	So, you know, I just did a wonderful commercial with Jamie Foxx for Bet MGM, and I had a ball doing it with him.
	Wonderful.
	Yeah, it was fun.
	Did y'all wear tuxedos or something?
	We wore suits, though.
	Yeah, their ads always had like a polished look.
	Yeah, it was pretty cool.
	it was his first working day after his injury, but he was great.
	He was fine.
	He worked all night the night before.
	Then he worked all night with me that night.
	Had you ever worked with him before?
	No.
	No, I hadn't worked with him before, but you know, Small World, we lived five minutes apart in Thousand Oaks.
	So I used to see him periodically at different things.
	But he was beloved in the community.
	And another guy, he really didn't have any enemies.
	Everybody loved him.
	Well, he's one of the most talented people forget also that he's a stand-up comedian.
	Oh, how great he was.
	And Living Color was like the best TV show they ever had when I was growing up.
	The Jamie Foxx show was unbelievable.
	He was so talented.
	And then he went to Oscar forget.
	Oh, yeah, Muhammad Ali maybe?
	No, he was.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	He was unreal.
	Show the Ray Leonard.
	No, who was it?
	Ray Lamontaine?
	No, no, the singer.
	Ray Charles.
	Yeah.
	I was going blank, too, but he was phenomenal in that.
	So anyway, I had fun with him.
	He's a wonderful guy.
	Did he seem healthy?
	Yeah, he seemed to be.
	Yeah, he's fine.
	He was great.
	He was happy.
	I don't even know really what happened.
	He didn't, you know, it's not my business, and he didn't talk about it.
	But if you didn't know something had happened, you wouldn't even know.
	No, you wouldn't have known.
	Wow.
	He was doing fine.
	And like I said, he was working late.
	Like he'd worked the night before, sort of nine o'clock to five, because they got to shut everything down so they can film it in actual place, right?
	And so the next night was sort of eight o'clock to five again.
	He was unreal.
	He was fine.
	Did you guys go see a show or anything while you were out there or no?
	No, no.
	I'm not big on going to shows.
	Although my friend, who I work with, Henrik Lundquist, went to the opening of the sphere in Vegas.
	And he said it's not like anything you've ever seen before.
	First of all, you two.
	And then so.
	It's the future, huh?
	He says they have these AI robots that when you talk to them, you think they're real people.
	It's unbelievable.
	Reminds me of this girl I dated for a while.
	So we're going to have a hockey coach.
	He'll be the first one, a hockey coach, AI.
	He's our hockey coach.
	You know, I always fantasized if it would be pretty cool.
	Not fantasized.
	That's a weird word to say to another man.
	But I always thought about wouldn't it be neat if there was a team where people could sit at home and make like as a group vote really fast on what the next play should be and that it would almost be a completely controlled team by like the fans, you know?
	You probably would struggle in hockey because it's so quick.
	Yeah.
	But you could probably do it football for sure, set up the play.
	Yeah, football was, I think, the sport that I thought about it the most.
	Hockey would be hard.
	Maybe even baseball because you could pick the pitch that the pitcher throws and who's pitching.
	Yeah.
	It'd be pretty interesting.
	Two of them you could do, probably.
	Did you ever get to meet Michael Jackson or not?
	No, but I used to do hot yoga in Thousand Oaks with his brother.
	Tito?
	Yeah.
	It was fun.
	Nice family.
	Nice guy.
	But I never met Michael Jackson, no.
	I remember I got to talk to Hulk Hogan and he met Michael Jackson one time.
	It was just interesting.
	I got a great Hulk Hogan story.
	Yeah.
	So people don't know this, but Hulk used to live in Thousand Oaks, too.
	And it was December 24th.
	We go to this Thousand Oaks Mall and I'm getting last-minute Christmas gifts for my kids who were at the time sort of 10, 12, and 14. So I put them all in the car and they had a valet parking at the mall.
	So I get up, come out, and I put all my bags in the car and I drive home.
	So I get a call around 7 o'clock and he goes, Wayne?
	I go, yeah.
	He says, Terry.
	I think his real name was Terry.
	Yeah, Terry Bolaya.
	He goes, Terry, Terry, he goes, Hulk.
	He goes, we got a problem.
	I go, what's the problem?
	He goes, we got the exact same car.
	I got your car and your presents.
	And you got my car, my presence.
	So I go inside and I'm like, oh, my God.
	He goes, yeah, my kids are older.
	It's probably not going to work.
	So I said, I'll meet you halfway.
	So we drove back halfway together and we switched the cars out, got the presents, and went home.
	True story.
	You guys got in each other's cars?
	Well, because the valet guy just came out and they were pushing cars and we weren't, you know, we weren't really paying attention because the same color, same thing.
	But then your kids wake up in Christmas morning and they all get bandanas.
	Bandanas and body oil.
	Isn't that funny, though?
	Your 12-year-old daughter getting a jar of body oil.
	You're like, this seems a little weird.
	I do remember saying, I don't think your kids are going to like when I got my kids.
	They're older.
	It's all cold.
	They got to get it.
	Did you, when you met your wife, how'd you know that she was like the wife for you?
	My dad told me.
	Really?
	Gosh, he was a real leader then.
	You know, the first week, I said, what do you think?
	He goes, oh, she's a lifer.
	I go, you just met her.
	You know what?
	We had the same similarities.
	Like, we love, we love, both want to have a family.
	We wanted to have kids.
	We both love sports.
	It's wonderful that I actually, her and I watch hockey together, baseball, football, basketball.
	She loves going to games.
	She loved growing up with our kids, going to all their sporting events and going to the girls' ballet and dancing.
	We just think the same way, I guess.
	And we're born 16 days apart.
	She's January 10th.
	I'm January 26. Yeah, so we had a lot in common.
	Is it different being a dad to like a girl and a boy?
	I don't have any children.
	I would like to have some one day, but I just don't have any children.
	In some ways it's different.
	In other ways, it's not.
	You know, it's just a little bit different, but not really.
	Did it come easy to you being a dad?
	Some of my friends have a tough time and some of them.
	Oh, yeah.
	I loved being a dad.
	So, yeah.
	You know, I always told my friends, you know, you do all your parenting until about 13 or 14. If they haven't learned by then, you haven't done the job right, right?
	And our biggest thing in our house was everybody can say, please, thank you and excuse me.
	That was our biggest fight, not fight, but that was the biggest thing we drilled in all the time.
	And then when your kids get to be 16, 17, 18, then you become best friends.
	And so I don't really look at my kids as kids anymore.
	I look at them as my closer friends.
	Simple as that.
	Oh, it's interesting.
	Yeah, they kind of evolved.
	I'd rather hang out with my kids at this age now than travel somewhere to go visit somebody for two days.
	You know, it's just as fun.
	Did you ever have to take your kids like what?
	Did you ever take them trick-or-treating or something?
	Oh, yeah.
	So this is a funny story, too.
	So when I played for the New York Rangers, we had an apartment in a WA play there?
	No.
	No, no.
	Mark Massey was on that team.
	Brian Leach.
	So we lived on this high-rise, 16th floor, right?
	So it was our first year in Manhattan.
	Your whole family is living in a high-rise in Manhattan?
	We had a three-bedroom.
	At the time, we only had three kids.
	So we had a bedroom for my wife and I, one for the two boys, and one for Paulina.
	And so I remember I said to the doorman the day before Halloween, I said, where do we trick or treat here?
	He goes, oh, everybody just walks through the building.
	And I'm thinking, no, no, no, no.
	So we left on just off of Mad.
	No, no, no.
	Listen.
	So I'm like, we're right on Madison Ave, 63rd Madison.
	So I go out there.
	I said, okay.
	And I walked into every one of those stores that I know my wife had ventured into a lot, Prada, Gucci, on.
	I said, you guys better have candy tomorrow at six o'clock.
	And so we walked the kids down.
	I said, you got to be outside, right?
	You can't be walking.
	So we go into like Gucci and they give them stuff.
	They go in Prada.
	They're getting candy.
	I still think they do it today.
	But it made more sense to me than walking through an apartment building.
	You just want to be outside on Halloween.
	Oh, you have to.
	You have to run inside.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So it was fun.
	Was it fun doing trick-or-treating when you were a kid?
	Like, you remember what you dressed up as?
	You just dressed up as a hockey player.
	I always wear as a hockey player.
	And I'll tell you why.
	Because every Halloween, it seemed like we had a practice that night.
	So we would be on the ice from like five o'clock to six.
	And, you know, it gets dark by 6.30 at that time of the year in Canada.
	So my dad would race me home.
	I'd get a pillowcase and I'd go up and down the street, get a ton of candy.
	And I just left my hockey uniform on, just took my helmet off.
	And every place I went to, the people they all knew us coming to Occupy, they used to laugh because it's a small community, small street.
	You knew everybody, right?
	Oh, Wayne's here.
	Wayne's here again.
	The hockey guy.
	Gosh, that's wild, man, that it was that much of your life that it was your Halloween costume.
	That says a lot, I feel like.
	Yeah.
	You know?
	Well, when I was seven, I went to a barber shop and I asked the barber if he could cut my, give me a Gordie Howe haircut.
	That's how much I liked the Gordie Howe in hockey.
	It was crazy.
	What's something that you like admire about each one of your children, kind of?
	Oh, I just, they're all nice.
	You know, they're polite.
	They're not egotistical.
	They're not in the slightest jaded at all.
	They're just good kids.
	That's, you know, my youngest two are still in college and they love it.
	I have a son at NYU and a daughter at SMU and three kids who have children of their own now.
	Yeah, they're just, they're nice.
	None of them are jaded.
	That's the best part.
	When you finished hockey, like as an employee, as a player, did you was it, did you find like, was it tough to like take that energy and all that motive, like that, because you have such a focus and there's a focal point.
	Was it interesting to see like how that popped up in other places in your life?
	Or was it?
	That was a big issue.
	It hasn't and it doesn't.
	Wow.
	You know, my life was hockey.
	If I go play tennis, I just play.
	I don't really even care about the score.
	If I go play golf, it doesn't matter if I shoot 83 or 93. I don't worry about it.
	I don't stress about it.
	You know, I did all that, you know, and I loved it.
	But I don't have that same fight or battle for fun.
	I just don't have that.
	And, you know, people always say Michael Jordan's so competitive of everything he does.
	And that's not me.
	I just, I'm fine.
	I'm happy with what I accomplished.
	I'm happy I did it.
	I'm happy I'm done.
	But that's all kind of behind me now.
	I don't worry about it.
	It's like I get parents who come up to me.
	And, you know, mothers are hardest, right?
	And my mom was worse too.
	She chased down Bobby Hall to get an autograph for me.
	And so when moms grab me, I go, I get it.
	I get it.
	My mom did it for me too.
	But the moms will always say to me, will you tell my son how many hours a day you used to practice?
	And I go, that's not it.
	And she goes, what do you mean?
	I go, that's not it.
	I said, I just did it because I loved it.
	If you have to say you got to be out there two hours or three hours, you're in the wrong thing.
	I just was there all day long because I loved it.
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	Moms would be nuts.
	I remember Michael Landon was coming to our town once and mom was all excited, but he didn't show up.
	He couldn't leave the prairie.
	Yeah.
	Every week on that show, one of his kids was like getting beaten by a, kicked by a horse.
	Or like, somebody had dementia.
	I was like, what do you mean a nine-year-old has dementia?
	Like every week it was like there was like- So when you get on one of those early teams, like did it, were you guys on a bus just cruising like through like Canada?
	Like were you guys like just heading all over the place?
	Did you ever have that kind of time or no?
	So when I played junior hockey in the league, I was in Ontario.
	I was on a team called Sault Ste.
	Marie Greyhounds, which was the farthest north in Ontario.
	Wow.
	So our closest bus trip was three and a half hours to Sudbury.
	So the team got an airplane.
	It was a DC-3.
	No.
	And we used to fly to all the games and basically played Thursday night, Friday night, Saturday afternoon, Sunday afternoon, and fly back to Sault Ste.
	Marie.
	And we do that twice a month.
	And then when I turned pro, you know, Edmonton, we flew commercial everywhere.
	And, you know, it was a lot of flights that we went to Edmonton through Minnesota or Edmonton through Chicago to get to, there wasn't a whole lot of direct flights from Edmonton to Manhattan.
	So, yeah, I traveled a lot.
	We've been around a lot.
	I remember I went to Florida.
	So I was in Florida, right?
	I've been on a cruise ship and I had to go to Edmonton to perform, right, at the comedy club there.
	Oh, yeah.
	It was like one of the first times.
	I've been in there.
	Oh, yeah.
	At the Mall of America, right?
	Or Mall of Canada.
	Yeah, he built that one before the one in Minnesota.
	Well, that one, first of all, you guys has a gun range in it, which is crazy, you know?
	And we got a lake with waves.
	We got a hockey rink in there.
	It's pretty much everything in there.
	Yeah, there's like four American eagles in there.
	And there actually, there was an actual American eagle in there last time we were in there.
	Yeah.
	And it was hatching.
	It was doing like a, I think it had a couple of chicklings or whatever near Payless shoes.
	Yeah, I've never been a hunter.
	You know, hunting, duck hunting.
	Big in your country, yeah.
	It's big in Alberta, big in Saskatchewan.
	We went hunting one time.
	I went one time in my life, went with three teammates.
	We were 19 years old.
	We didn't know what we were doing.
	And we're two hours in.
	We were duck hunting and we couldn't figure out where the ducks were.
	And this guy came over and he said, you guys got a goose call.
	That's how bad our hunting was.
	And we're standing there going, well, no, we just thought there was no ducks.
	Yeah, you look over at just Tony Sierra goose as well.
	You got the wrong horn or whatever.
	I'm like, okay, that was my last time.
	I had to go to this store.
	It was $5.
	I get a permit.
	I never even fired the gun.
	It was the last time I ever went.
	Never shot a gun since.
	Who's one of the funniest guys that you spend time around in the league?
	Who's somebody that you love being around that really makes you laugh?
	Brett Hall is a genius.
	Brett Hall is one of the funniest, nicest people you ever, ever meet.
	He remembers every word and every song.
	He remembers lines from movies.
	And he's got a big heart.
	He's a tremendous guy.
	What's a good concert that you went to that you enjoyed over the years?
	You know what?
	I'm seeing Elton John this weekend.
	Elton John is phenomenal.
	I saw Elton John and Billy Joel together at the forum years ago, which was remarkable.
	But you know, my very first concert I ever went to was Chicago.
	Remember the band Chicago?
	And I remember I was 16 years old, and I was good friends with David Foster, who was a producer.
	Yeah, producer, writer.
	He's a Canadian boy.
	And so two years later, I was playing in the World Cup for Canada.
	And he calls me and he said, there's a couple of guys from Chicago that want to come to your practice.
	Can you get them in?
	I'm like, yeah, of course.
	So they came in.
	I think the drummer's name was Johnny Panazzo, right?
	And he used to play a little bit of goaltender in hockey.
	So they came to practice.
	And I'm sitting there.
	We went for lunch after.
	And I remember staying two years ago, sitting in the last row watching their concert.
	And two years later, I'm having lunch with them.
	So I always said that was one of my favorite concerts.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, I remember I got a t-shirt.
	I don't even know who gave, I think, where we got it from.
	I didn't even know it was a band.
	I thought it was just for the state that I wore when I was a kid.
	It was just a nice shirt.
	It was like pure cotton.
	And I remember just I remember wearing that Chicago shirt.
	I'm trying to think of the first concert I ever went to.
	It might have been like Smashing Pumpkins or something.
	Well, our big ones up there are Pink Floyd and Tragically Hip.
	Tragically Hip, yeah.
	Brian Adams.
	Oh, dude, I met Brian Adams in South Africa at a breakfast buffet.
	And he's a wonderful guy.
	And of course, Celine Deont.
	Oh, yeah.
	She was Burton Cummings was big in Canada.
	Burton Cummings?
	Yeah.
	They were in a band called The Guess Who.
	I think maybe I've heard of them.
	I'm trying to think of something else I've heard of.
	You know, my mom used to make us clean the house, right?
	And she wouldn't put Brian Adams on repeat.
	We got him like one of those CD, like, you know, where they mail you seven CDs for 40 cents and then you get sued over the year.
	The first album was cuts like a knife, right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I met him when he was 17. You met him?
	When he was 17 and that album had just come out.
	He was 17 when that came out?
	I was 17. He was 18. He was a year or two older than me.
	He was that young when he became a star.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah.
	And he was good because from there he just got bigger and better.
	It's funny because my friends all laugh at me because every time somebody comes on, whether it's a singer or an actor or whatever, I'll go, you know, he's Canadian.
	Like there's so many people that you don't know that are Canadian that I know.
	Yeah.
	I'll go, he's Canadian, you know.
	There's so many greats.
	Jim Carrey, Howie Mandel.
	Yeah, there's a lot of really good Canadians.
	Are you the most famous Wayne, do you think?
	No, Wayne Myers from Wayne's World.
	Oh, yeah.
	Wayne's World, huh?
	Wayne Myers.
	Wayne Newton.
	He's not Canadian, though.
	Yeah.
	Oh, no, but just Wayne overall.
	Bruce Wayne?
	Yeah, I didn't think of him.
	Yeah, I think Batman might have you.
	Lil Wayne.
	Lil Wayne.
	I met Lil Wayne recently at a hockey game.
	He was very nice.
	And did he come up and say, I'm also Wayne?
	Like, does that happen when you're a celebrity like that?
	Like, hey, I'm Wayne too.
	No, he just, it was very cordial.
	I said, hey, I actually stopped him.
	I said, can I get a picture with you?
	He's like, of course.
	He was at a hockey game.
	It was the Vegas Knights game.
	Oh, there you are right there.
	I was like, I grabbed him.
	I was like, gosh, I got to get a picture of him.
	Because all my kids would always say, Dad, you know, you're in Lil Wayne song.
	I'm like, okay.
	And so when I saw him, I said, gosh, I got to get a picture of him.
	I kind of fanned it up.
	I kind of like became a mom.
	Yeah, yeah, you became Princess Diana.
	There you go.
	Lil Wayne looks a little high in that picture, too.
	I don't blame him.
	Is there something?
	Is there, Canada doesn't revere celebrity.
	It's different, right, than in America.
	Oh, they do.
	Oh, they do.
	Listen, Canadians are very proud of their country.
	Right.
	Oh, yeah, no doubt.
	But if, yeah, there's something they like the story back.
	Like my Canadian friends love stories.
	Like Bizzle Maturmenger is Canadian and he loves like the there's always like, yeah, but this guy, you know, like they love the well, right now, probably Drake's probably our biggest Canadian right now.
	Oh, yeah.
	He's probably, he's probably the closest thing right now to Taylor Swift, I would imagine.
	Drake or Santa?
	No, Drake's pretty big.
	I got to meet Drake last weekend, actually.
	Yeah, at a concert?
	No, it was I was hanging out with this guy, David Grutman.
	He's like a.
	Okay.
	He's a restaurateur.
	I was hanging out with this restaurateur guy.
	I was in Miami.
	Okay.
	And Drake had some, was having like a little get-together in a bar that he'd rented out, a small bar.
	And he knew it, so we went by, and he and I had messaged each other.
	What's that?
	What city were you in?
	In Miami, Florida.
	Okay.
	He and I had messaged each other.
	He had a concert there last week.
	A bunch of our friends drove down for the concert.
	From where?
	From Canada?
	No, no, we live in Jupiter.
	Oh, you do?
	Fort Lauderdale area.
	Oh, it's pretty over there.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	See, I got to Florida once and I just stayed.
	It's nice.
	I'm telling you.
	I couldn't get there as a kid, but now I live there.
	People were on to it, brother.
	But I got to meet, yeah, I said, hey, and then we started talking for a little bit, and it was really nice.
	I thought I was going to be nervous because sometimes if you meet like, I think celebrities, you know, sometimes you can be really nervous, you know?
	And I just, I'm glad I wasn't like real nervous.
	I get like that sometimes still.
	Is there somebody that you met that over the years and you were like, because you get surprised.
	Sometimes you're chill as could be.
	You're like, oh, I'm doing good.
	Yeah, no, there's people that I've met over the years and you go, oh, wow, that guy's really cool.
	Or, yeah, no, no.
	I met President Clinton about a year ago at the golf course and he was so nice.
	And yeah, he's like, most people are pretty nice, right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, and I guess with golf, you get to probably play games with a lot of neat people, huh?
	Yeah, some of them are nice guys.
	On the golf course, some of them give competitive competitive competitors.
	They get competitive.
	Yeah, and sometimes they don't, you know.
	Yeah.
	But I'm not competitive.
	So people that play with me know I'm having fun.
	You're just taking it easy.
	What are some, like your dad had a pretty strong religious belief?
	Did that carry over into your family, or what is that kind of like for you?
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	We real strong belief, you know.
	When I was a kid, I got confirmed when I was 14 years old.
	But we have a belief of you treat people the way you want to be treated.
	That's our big religion in our house.
	That there's no reason to be mean to people.
	That's kind of what we live by.
	When you look at anything else in life that you want to do, are there things that you find now that kind of, or when you look to your future, obviously like spending time with your family?
	Yeah, you know, do you have any big goals still?
	No, I really don't.
	My wife says to me, you got to have, I said, you know, I'm going to be 65 soon.
	My goal is retirement, really.
	You know, I've traveled a lot.
	I've done a lot.
	I'm loving being on TNT.
	It's a riot.
	Great people, wonderful organization.
	I'm thrilled doing it a few times a month, and I love it because I'm still involved with hockey.
	I don't have to stress out over it winning or losing.
	So when I go and I'm doing the games, people go, who do you want to win?
	I'm like, it doesn't matter to me.
	Now, my heart is obviously with Edmonton, L.A., St. Louis, and Rangers.
	So if they're playing, I'm kind of pulling for them.
	But other than that, I'm like, whoever the best team is.
	I hope they have a great game.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, you score kind of all your goals, I guess, on the ice, maybe, huh?
	There you go.
	Thank you so much, Wayne, for your time and just for, yeah, I don't know, just being a fascinating person to talk to and get to spend time around.
	It's inspiring just to hear that being a human is just as important to you as being a great athlete.
	I never looked at myself as somebody different.
	We're all the same, right?
	Just be nice to people.
	Listen, I love doing your show.
	It's fun.
	Yeah, thank you so much for your time, brother.
	Now, I'm just floating on the breeze, and I feel I'm falling like these leaves.
	I must be cornerstone.
	Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this piece of mind I found I can feel it in my bones.

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