Theo sits down with Robert F. Kennedy Jr. to talk about falconry, the need for healthy debate, and the new Covid-19 Pfizer vaccine.
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Today's guest is environmental attorney, author, and president of the Children's Health Defense, to name a few things.
He's outspoken.
He's, I mean, he just knows so much.
He's like, I mean, he's just like wandering through a library.
It is my friend, Mr. Robert Kennedy Jr.
I'll sit and tell you my stories.
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I will find a song I've been singing just so.
We didn't have like my bus, we had a lot of cranes, you know.
I actually thought about you a couple weeks ago.
I was down in, it was my first time going to this place called Yeskloski.
It's down like the fishing villages off of like New Orleans.
It's probably about 30 minutes away.
And they pronounce it a little bit different because I think it's like super Polish, the word or something.
It starts with like a couple of different whys.
And so it's like, it's kind of hard to pronounce.
But I got down there and I saw egrets.
I saw cranes.
I saw a couple owls.
And I actually thought about you because I know that you care about the animals so much and stuff like that.
Well, I've spent a lot of time in Achafalaya, which is near where you are.
Between Baton Rouge and New Orleans.
Yeah, and that's one of the biggest staging zones for the migrations of waterfowl and a lot of the other migratory birds that are about to go down to Latin America.
I think it's actually the biggest wetland in North America.
It's bigger than the Everglades.
We started talking, you and I started talking about this because I did Mike Tyson's hot boxing.
And you were asking me how it was.
And he's very subdued.
You know, I really, I love him.
He's very, very subdued.
But we ended up talking a lot about pigeons because he was a pigeon guy.
That's how he kind of started.
He got in a fight over somebody who stole his pigeon.
That's the first time he ever hit anybody.
Oh, damn.
And that's kind of a famous story.
But he's a pigeon fancier, and I grew up with pigeons.
I started racing and homing pigeons when I was seven years old.
So was that big?
Because I remember I went to the Spy Museum one time in Philadelphia, and they had pigeons that had like a little briefcase on their arm.
They had pigeon that had like a little...
They'll have pigeons that even have like a little backpack on, you know, and they used to use them for spy work.
Yeah, they have.
Yes, absolutely.
And in fact, they used them for, well, of course, they've always been a military asset because they would use them to communicate, you know, before they had telephones and walkie-talkies.
In fact, they used them right up until World War I. And they really used them?
Like, what can you tell a pigeon and he'll go, So if you get an adult pigeon, you buy a pigeon, a pigeon auction, and a really big Homer classic these days, people pay a million dollars for a good Homer.
For a good Homer pigeon, please.
They rate them by miles.
Oh, if you're a thousand-mile bird, you know, you're worth a lot of money.
Back when I was a kid, we would pay people.
Yeah, those are called blue bars.
Okay.
And those are Hungarians, which is the kind that I used to raise.
And we would put them in a train, and the train with all the other, you know, we had a pigeon club, and all the other people would put them in a train right outside of my home in Virginia.
And the train would go down to Delaware, and the conductor would then release them all at once.
And when your pigeon came back to your coop, you would take his band off and run down to the post office and have it time-stamped.
And that's how they would, you know, that's how they would races.
And so the pigeon, they'll know.
So the first place it sees daylight is the place it'll always come back to?
It'll always come back to it.
So if you buy a pigeon at an auction or whatever, you have to keep that pigeon locked up for the rest of his life because if he ever gets out, he'll go back to the place where he was born.
And the military.
He's like a hot woman, kind of.
In the military, they taught them how to go to a, they would have a little, a coop on wheels, and they would teach them to go to that coop, and they would keep moving the coop so that the pigeon would learn to find the coop.
So not going back to a stationary barn.
Wow.
And in fact, during World War I, they knew where all of the falcons, which I moved to Falconry when I was about 10 years old.
Is that early to be moving to that?
Or is that where you like young?
Well, that's when I found out about it.
And there happened to be a guy who lived near me who was one of the pioneers of American Falconry.
And I read a book about it.
My uncle was in the White House then.
And people were talking about Camelot.
And I read a book about Camelot by T.H. White, who is a British author who is also a falconer.
And he has, and that book was called The Wants and Future King.
He later made it into a Disney movie called The Sword and the Stone.
Oh, wow.
There's a chapter in there on falconry, and I read that chapter, and I just said, this is what I want to do with my life.
And as it happened, there was a guy who had been an all-American football player at Penn State.
He lived about a mile from my house.
His name was Albani, and he was one of the pioneers of American falconry.
And my father knew about him because whenever he worked as a designer of jets at the Pentagon.
Jets?
Yeah, he was designing jets.
And he was an engineer.
And one of the things that the State Department knew about him because whenever they were visiting Arab dignitaries who came to Washington, the Arabs are all crazy about falconry.
Really?
Yes, crazy about it.
And that's falcons, right?
Yeah, that's falcons.
So falcon is, I mean, so when you moved up to falcons, were you just, I mean, I can imagine if you were leaving pigeons, you probably left them behind, huh?
Well, actually, pigeons remain are kind of part of the sport of falconry.
Okay.
You use pigeons in different parts of the sport.
So I kept pigeons.
I had pigeons all of my life.
Until really, until I moved to California six years ago, I kept pigeons.
But I still have hawks back at New York.
I have my falconry license out here, but I never brought them out here.
I got involved in surfing and, you know, a lot of other stuff.
And it just wasn't as easy here.
But yeah, so I, so this guy, I apprenticed under this guy under Alvinai, beginning when I was about 11 years old.
And then at that time, there was no regulation.
They passed regulations in 1973.
And then you had to get a license.
And, you know, I was, I actually wrote the test at Falconers Take in New York State and elsewhere to get their license.
And I've been involved in it my whole life.
So would you compete?
Like, once you have this knowledge in this, so you're learning and like, what is the man teaching you when you learn from Mr. What was his name?
He's teaching you how to trap the hawk, how to care for it, how to treat it when it gets sick, and of course, how to train it and then hunt with it.
You're hunting my birds.
I fly mainly Harris hawks, and I've flown every kind of hawk, but nowadays I fly mainly Harris hawks.
They're very easy and very, very fun, and they hunt in groups.
They're very sociable.
They seem to be, you know, what you and I would interpret as affectionate towards humans, and they're almost like dogs.
So when you take them to hunt, this is, because I mean, I grew up raising Harris.
I didn't seem to be talking about this.
No, it's fascinating, man, because so let's see a Harris Hawk.
I just want to see what this even looks like.
And now, when you take them to train or something, what do they do?
When you take them to hunt with them, like, they're in a cage or on your arm?
No, actually, they'll ride on the backseat of the car.
Unbelievable.
And then, and they'll hunt.
You knew that.
I mean, I just had anything.
If I look like that, man, I'm definitely, you know, I'm not driving.
I'm definitely getting a ride.
And they're really just like dogs.
When you get to the place where you're hunting, you let them out of the car, and they'll usually jump up and sit for a second in Orient on the roof of the car.
And then as you start walking through the woods, they'll follow you.
Yeah.
And then I hunt with dogs too.
So I have a couple of dogs who will be looking for rabbits and squirrel and pheasant and turkey.
And when something moves, they'll chase it.
Okay, so if you say when you're walking through the woods, they'll what, just be kind of going from tree to tree?
They know that you're their owner.
Yeah, they go to tree to tree.
They stay in the canopy above your head.
And they know that you're going to kick up game.
So, you know, they know, they learn and they learn.
Like the bird that I was flying until recently, I had for 24 years.
And then every year I would breed that bird and get some eggs and babies out of them.
And, you know, those birds are now all over New York State and all over the, at least all over the East Coast.
You're working at the grassroots level of helping the environment if you are breeding birds.
Yeah.
I've always said, I, you know, it was a passion for me from when I was really little.
Man, yeah, because I used to sell hamsters when I was growing up, and we used to, you know, the big ones around us were the Roborovsky hamsters.
We bring that up, Nick.
This is in Louisiana.
Yeah.
And we used to sell hamsters and guinea pigs or G-pigs, they used to call them.
They eat those down there.
Yeah.
Yeah, they eat them.
We call them cooeys in Latin America and Ecuador.
Oh, you get down to, oh, you get down to Ecuador, bro.
You take a gerbil anywhere south of Paraguay and it's a wrap, you know?
I mean, Nicaragua, you show up with one of these bad boys.
They think it's Thanksgiving, you know.
But we have a different affinity for animals now.
I feel like if it looks cute or if it's been marketed as cute, it becomes not a food anymore, you know.
once things get marketed as being too cute so you'll get there Anyhow.
Yeah.
And I, you know, when I spent a lot of time in Ecuador and I lived in Peru for a while and I ended up eating a lot of guinea pigs, I went to a restaurant.
I took Cheryl to a restaurant where they were selling them for food and they had them.
You know how when you go into a seafood restaurant in New England and they have all the lobsters in the tank and you can pick the one and they're alive in there.
Well, they had one of those where they had this really cute guinea pig house and you could pick the guinea pig you were eating and you know Cheryl is just broke her heart.
Yeah, I broke her heart.
Hopefully that wasn't Valentine's.
No, that wasn't.
Well, so very similar to the lobster in the tank, they just had these guinea pigs just like in a big, like kind of a children's like playhouse or something kind of little deal?
It was a multi-storied playhouse with little balconies on it.
it looked like an apartment building for guinea pigs.
And there's no way they look like little people in there, and there's no way that you would ever eat one of those.
But some people are rolling in and being like, oh, that's the one.
Yeah.
That's amazing, man.
Yeah, we never had any of that.
I've had owl.
I've had some wild meats.
People that have, like, my sister's family will grill up anything that's dead.
So we've had owl.
We've had like, what else do we have?
Roadkill type.
What, owl?
Roadkill.
No, they'll have like yard chicken, just chickens that they've raised in their yards.
I'm trying to think of what else that I've had that was probably, you know, kind of unique growing up.
Snake.
Sometimes somebody, I used to work on a farm for a couple years and people would kill a snake.
And somebody, sometimes, if somebody had enough time, they would cook it at lunch.
He must have eaten alligator because that's all the menus down there.
Yeah, I've eaten alligator.
Frog was really, you know, when I was young, it was fun to give a kid some frog, you know.
At the restaurants, they used to have a lot of these kind of singing, they had like this kind of black group of gentlemen that were like a quartet, and they would sing, and then at the end of the thing, they would give all the kids a little bit of frog, you know.
It was just like some fancy kind of restaurant we would go to, like when my parents were having an anniversary or something.
But man, that's wild, though.
I don't know.
I've never met anybody that knew how to hunt with a hawk.
I mean, that's pretty.
And do hawks have a, or with a falcon, does a falcon have an arch nemesis in nature?
Well, falcons get eaten a lot by eagles.
And then at night, they get eaten by owls because they can't see anything at night.
And that's why you put a hood on them because once it gets dark, they just get calm because there's nothing they can do about anything.
Wow.
Their eyes are adapted for seeing both microscopically and telescopically during the daytime.
But they're almost incapable of seeing anything at night.
But a lot of the western falconers, when they, you know, they hunt sagegrouse and they have to hunt early in the morning because their birds will get eaten by eagles.
When the bird goes down on a sagegrouse, the eagle will see that from miles away and go down and eat both the grouse and the hawk.
Damn.
I love those.
Do you know 80% of hawks die during their first year?
It's hard for them to figure out how to hunt.
And they, you know, only the really smart and lucky ones survive.
They have a lot of nemesis.
It's mainly owls and eagles.
So you're growing up.
So you guys, so take me back also to the pigeon thing.
So you would take a pigeon, you would let it go, you would put it on a train.
Yeah, we put it on the train.
And it was like a pigeon club you were in.
Yes.
So everybody have a pigeon, they put it on the train, it goes to somewhere, maybe down to the beach or somewhere wherever it takes it, Myrtle Beach or something, and then they let it loose.
Right.
Like maybe 100 miles, the really good pigeons would go 200 or 300 miles.
If you had a 500-mile homer, that's what you would brag about.
Damn.
That's like having like one of those big marbles that does like a steely marble.
Wow.
That's fascinating, man.
So now whoever got theirs back first, did they kind of win the contest?
Yeah, they win.
I see.
That's amazing, man.
I can't even imagine that.
It must have lifted your spirits when it got back.
You don't take them 100 miles away the first time you do it.
I would take them to the school in the morning and let them go and go on the weekends farther and farther away and make sure that they come back.
That's fascinating, man.
Dude, so when I picture like, you know, they didn't have any Kennedys on our street growing up.
And so I picture, if I ever thought of a Kennedy, you know, I thought of like, you know, you guys have like really nice dishes, like nice, you know, cupboards, silver, crabs, you know, everything.
Like, was it like may poles?
I picture like people constantly like just dancing in the yard.
Like, was it, what was it, what was it?
That's just what I picture.
I'm just telling you.
My house was chaos.
I had 11 brothers and sisters.
And, you know, I had a very, very, you know, I had a wonderful life.
A lot of outdoor stuff.
My parents would lock us out in the morning and we weren't allowed to come in until the night.
And we spent a lot of time, particularly in the summer.
I had, you know, I had my 11 brothers and sisters, 29 cousins.
We all lived together.
And, you know, there was a lot of mayhem, a lot of laughter, and just outdoor, you know, outdoors, fishing, skiing, scuba diving.
And would the older kids teach the younger kids?
Was that kind of how it went?
That's amazing, man.
Yeah, I can't even imagine that.
I mean, it just seems like, yeah, because I guess I just always thought about it as, and did it feel like you guys were like so separate from the world of your parents?
Because they were living in like a political more of like a political world.
Well, everything was, you know, we felt we were included in everything.
I was, you know, the first time that I came to California was for the 1960 convention.
And I saw my uncle get inaugurated.
And then I flew back on the airplane with him and sat next to him on the plane.
But my father would, you know, my home was in Virginia, but at that time, you could get to the Justice Department in about eight or nine minutes if you were driving fast.
And so my father would come home at night and he would talk about integrating the University of Alabama or, you know, whatever the issues of the day was.
And he, you know, we were always included.
And then we visited the White at the Justice Department.
One day my uncle invited me to spend the morning with him in the White House in the Oval Office.
We were, you know, we were part of all of the I sat behind a couch during the Cuban Missile Crisis and, you know, listened to my our house was kind of a satellite White House because my father was the Attorney General and he was the president's chief advisor.
We were a mile away from the CIA headquarters in Langley, and my father at that time was, you know, was involved with trying to get the CIA to behave.
And so all of that, you know, there were green berets at our house.
There were Cuban refugees.
There was, you know, the entire milieu of that period was DMV, it sounds like, you know, I mean, it just has, you know, it's like, it just sounds like it was every Friday when we were at the Cape, there would be three helicopters that would land, Marine helicopters that would land on our lawn every Friday.
And my uncle would get off President Kennedy, my father, who was the Attorney General, my uncle Sarge Driver, who was the director of the Peace Corps, my uncle Ted Kennedy, who was in the Senate already at that time, and my uncle Steve Smith, who was chief of staff.
And the White House would move to our house for the weekend.
And, you know, there was always interesting people there.
And we had, after 1962, my uncle developed this very close relationship with Khrushchev.
And the CIA was baffled by Khrushchev because they had never been able to get a spy into the Kremlin.
There was a mole in the CIA, and to this day, they don't know who it was.
And every time they got a high-level spy in the Kremlin, he would immediately be killed because the mole at Langley was telling them who it was.
So they really had no clue what Khrushchev was like or whether it was a monolithic, whether the Kremlin was monolithic and everybody was thinking the same, which was kind of the assumption.
And so he came to visit you guys?
He never visited us now, but he exchanged letters with my uncle secretly.
He didn't want the KGB or the GRU to find out he was writing my uncle.
And my uncle was, again, they both figured out that they were both at war with the military and intelligence apparatus with which they were surrounded.
Oh, I see what you're saying.
Khrushchev had been a war hero.
He had run the defense of Stalingrad under Stalin.
Stalin had actually tried to purge him at one point.
And the only reason he didn't was because Khrushchev was running the defense of Stalingrad, and he couldn't reach him.
Because, you know, when Hitler was trying to attack Stalingrad, which is one of the worst battles, one of the most brutal battles in human history, and one of the most expansive battles in terms of human life, and Khrushchev had no desire to go to war, his first meeting with my uncle was a couple of, was about a month after my uncle took office, and they met at Geneva.
And my uncle went into that meeting with very high hopes that he could make peace and they could begin dismantling the nuclear arsenal on both sides.
But Khrushchev had met him very pugnaciously and had been bombastic and had given a lecture about imperialism and said that he was ready for war.
And he was really kind of in his face.
And my uncle went home from that meeting very depressed.
And then a year and a half later, there was a confrontation when the Soviets were building the wall in Berlin because they were hemorrhaging people.
Everybody was trying to get out of East Germany and come onto the western side, which the U.S. controlled.
And Khrushchev built the wall there.
And his joint chiefs of staff saw this as an opportunity.
They wanted to go to war with the Russians.
They believed that at that point in history, we had the nuclear advantage.
The Russians would soon catch up with us.
So the President's Chief of Staff wanted to go to war?
Well, his joint chiefs, the military and the leaders of the CIA, wanted to, they saw war as inevitable and that the sooner the better because the U.S. was at a big military advantage in terms of its nuclear arsenal at that time.
And my uncle and Khrushchev's joint chiefs were basically in the same position.
They were spoiling for war.
My uncle, who was also a veteran and had, you know, had seen his men die, had three of his men on his PT boat killed when it was run over by a Japanese destroyer.
And then, you know, he had been lost at sea for 10 days hiding out on a little island with the Japanese searching for him.
And he mistrusted the brass.
He had been lied to by Alan Dulles at the very beginning.
He knew Dulles had lied to him and fired Alan Dulles, fired the top three guys of the CIA, and no longer trusted his military.
And he realized that he was in the same boat with Khrushchev.
In 1962, Khrushchev built the wall, and one of Jack's generals, Lucius Clay, mounted bulldozer plows on the front of tanks and went to push down the wall.
And the Russians met him on the other side at Checkpoint Charlie with their own squadron of jet tanks.
And my uncle sent a secret message to Khrushchev at that point saying, you know, please withdraw your tanks.
And I promise that when you do that, we will withdraw ours within 20 minutes.
And he said, my back is against the wall.
I have no place to retreat.
And my uncle and father believed that there would be, that they lived for a lot of their administration believing that the military May commit a coup against them.
That their own military.
Yes, that the U.S. they couldn't trust the CIA.
Because they believe that, yeah, right, exactly.
Their military, you know, was Daniel Ellsberg, who was working in the Pentagon at that time, said that it was, you know, that the atmosphere in the Pentagon was one of coup d'état, of rebellion, that they believed that the fact that my uncle had not gone into Cuba and bombed Castro during the Bay of Pigs,
which was two months into his administration, and then he did not bomb a Khrushchev during that confrontation at Cologne.
That was evidence that he was committing treason against the United States.
So they were really war happy at that time, huh?
Yes.
And your uncle came in, and that's when your father was attorney general, and they were a little bit more on the peaceful side of things, huh?
Right.
Or the hopeful side of peace.
Well, they didn't want to go to war.
In fact, my uncle said, when he was asked by Ben Bradley, who was one of his best friends, who was the editor of the Washington Post, what he wanted on his, as his epitaph on his tombstone, he said he wanted, he kept the peace.
And he often said that the president's principal job was to keep the nation out of war.
Who was a better peacekeeper, you think, your uncle or your father?
When you look back, even just like in the past.
I mean, my uncle really did not want to go to war.
And my father ran against the Vietnam War.
And, you know.
Yeah, there's a lot of famous pictures of him and stuff when he was running.
Yeah.
You want to talk about the Pfizer Packs?
Yeah.
We can talk about whatever.
So you would, if you, do you, because in your life, this could be a time, I mean, where you would, did you ever have presidential hopes where you would be running for president even at this time in your life?
Did I think that?
Yeah.
And not as a judgment or anything, just I was just thinking about that yesterday.
I was thinking about, oh, well, when are people usually presidents?
And it's kind of around your age, kind of.
Well, I had opportunities to go into politics, and I considered it many times during my life, probably most directly during when Hillary when Hillary was appointed Secretary of State.
She was at that point the senator, the U.S. Senator from New York, and occupied the seat that my father had occupied.
I had come close to running for that seat in the previous election, decided not to, and then Hillary came in and ran.
Did you wish you had run or do you?
No, it wasn't the right time for me.
I had personal issues that I was dealing with.
Family, I have six kids, and I had a lot of, you know, I needed to pay attention to what was going on there.
And I like my life, too, as an environmental advocate.
So I ended up not doing that.
And then when Hillary left two years later to go to the White House, the governor of New York, David Patterson, called me.
And it was his job to appoint somebody to fill her seat.
And he offered me that job.
So I could have at that point chosen to be U.S. Senator without even running for it in my dad's seat.
But again, for personal reasons, I didn't do it at that time.
And, you know, I kind of live my life like you do one day at a time and try to make, you know, keep doing the next right thing.
And at that point, it was clear to me that the decision for me was to stay at home with my family and continue to do my environmental advocacy.
And so I don't look back on that with any regret.
I'm very much at peace with where I am.
And were you going to have a space in Trump?
And Trump almost gave you a position or whenever he became president.
Wasn't there talk of that and then it kind of went away?
He just kind of went into the wind with it?
Well, what happened was he in 20 over the Christmas vacation, 2016, he's elected.
Right.
And then obviously the election isn't in November.
So I was skiing and with my kids in Colorado over Christmas vacation, and I got a call from his chief of staff saying the president-elect wants to meet with him.
That's crazy.
And he wants to talk about vaccines.
So, you know, I've been an activist on trying to get safer vaccines for a long time.
And, of course, I agreed to meet with him.
So I went to, immediately after getting home, I went to Washington or I went to New York and met with him in Trump Tower.
It was about a two-hour meeting.
Had you ever met with him before?
I had sued him twice before, successfully.
And I had met him.
And, you know, the lawsuit was not something that had hurt our relationship.
I stopped him from building two golf courses in the New York City watershed.
And those lawsuits were about two or three years apart.
And he knew me and he knew my family.
When my sister ran for governor of Maryland, he made a big contribution to that.
He contributed to my brother, who was then in Congress.
And I had a cousin who was a congressman from Rhode Island, and he made contributions to that.
He was a big Democratic donor at that point.
He called me.
He asked me to come in.
I had, as I said, about a two-hour meeting with him at that meeting.
People were coming in and out of that meeting.
So Steve Bannon was there.
Rens Priebus, if you remember him, Hope Hill was there.
Kelly Ann Conway and Jared Kushner and both of the president's sons at various times were in that meeting.
But I had a lot of time alone with President Trump, too.
He said that he believed that vaccines were making people sick.
specifically, he had three women friends who were mothers, one who was in the building that day, who had perfectly healthy kids, who had gotten their wellness visits when they were around two years old.
And the children never were the same after those visits.
They all had been subsequently diagnosed with autism.
And he believed that it was linked to the vaccines.
And because he had been open about that during the campaign, hundreds of women had, as they did, the same thing that happened to me that got me into this, you know, this career killing advocacy, vaccine safety, obviously.
You know, people start coming up to you and saying, you know, this happened to me.
This happened to my son.
I had a perfectly healthy child who exceeded all his milestones.
And I took him in at 16 months.
And he was speaking.
He was toilet trained.
He had social interactions.
And I took him in, and he had a shot or a series of shots.
Usually it could be up to nine.
Yeah, and now he's living in a 10 at the circus every afternoon.
And at night, they spike a fever, 103.
They have, I mean, the stories were yearly all identical.
They had a seizure, and then over the next three months, they lose all of their capacity to for social interactions, for eye contact.
They begin.
Oh, yeah.
It's scary.
I mean, a lot of that stuff is super scary.
So you go into that all because of that.
Well, I go in there, and he tells me these stories, and he says he wants to do something about it.
And does it seem serious when he's saying that?
Yeah, he was dead serious.
And he asked, you know, whether I would run a vaccine safety commission.
Then he asked what I would do.
And I said, listen, I don't think you have to do a big political lift.
All I think you need to do is open up the databases and allow independent scientists in there to actually look at the science because the HMOs have all the vaccine data down to batch for every child in America.
And they also have the medical records.
So all you have to do, in fact, you can do now is AI, can do machine counting and you can do cluster analysis.
And you can figure out very, very quickly whether all of these epidemics, not just of neurodevelopmental diseases, like all the ADD, the ADHD, the speech lay, the Toured syndrome, the narcolepsy, the ASD and autism.
Oh, yeah.
The allergic diseases, food allergies, peanut allergies.
Oh, it's crazy when you think about that.
Asthma, and then all the autoimmune diseases.
Adult asthma.
What?
Even adult asthma.
Yeah.
And they're all listed, by the way, on the vaccine inserts as vaccine side effects because the only way that you can sue, you know, they passed this law in 1986 and made it illegal to sue a vaccine company for injury.
You still can sue them if they know of an injury that's caused by their vaccine and they don't list it on the side effects.
They list 400 injuries on the stairs, everything.
Well, all the autoimmune diseases.
But they're covering all their bases that way.
Yeah, but they're not allowed to list it unless there is significant evidence that it's actually being caused by the vaccine.
FDA is not allowed to allow them to list it unless FDA believes it's being caused by the vaccine.
But so then, so the vaccines, they are approved by the FDA.
But is the FDA a compromised group, though?
Well, yeah, it's actually, you know, people say it's approved by FDA, but actually it's not approved.
The FDA rubber stamps it.
There's a panel within FDA that's called VRPAC, V-R-B-A-C, that is, and that group is staffed or populated by industry insiders.
So they're not people who work by FDA, and they're the ones who decide on the licensing.
And the problem is that vaccines are not safety tested that other medications are.
And there's an exemption, and it's an artifact of CDC's legacy as the public health service.
CDC used to be called the Public Health Service.
Now it's a quasi-military agency.
That's why people at CDC have military ranks like Surgeon General and they wear uniforms.
And the vaccine program was initially conceived as a national security defense against biological attacks on our country.
So the only reason that we had the CDC was because we were thinking, okay, well, if some country poisons us or attacks us, we want to be able to— I mean, CDC has other functions.
But yeah, the vaccine program.
If the Russians attacked us with anthrax or some other biological agent, they wanted to be able to formulate a vaccine very quickly, deploy it to 200 million Americans without regulatory impediments.
And so they said, if we call it a medicine, we're going to have to do double-blind placebo testing.
And that takes five years because a lot of injuries from medications, from all medications, have long diagnostic arise.
So they found a loophole by naming it something different, by calling it a medium.
By calling it biologics.
Said inflation.
Safety testing, yes.
And so that's why vaccines do not have to be safety testing.
In fact, the COVID vaccines that they're doing right now have more safety testing than any vaccine in history has ever had.
I mean, the one that Pfizer approved, or the one that Pfizer is moving towards approval, that it just kind of released some of the data on, was tested on 42,000 people.
And it was a, I believe, although we don't know because we haven't seen the data, that it may have used a true placebo, and that's very unusual.
And that's a, go on, sorry.
Well, the problem, you know, the stock market rebounded When Pfizer made these announcements, yeah, I saw this.
Pfizer and Biotech.
What was the other one?
Biotech?
That's its partner.
Okay.
And the problem with that vaccine is that, and by the way, if they come up with a vaccine that does what people think vaccines ought to do, which is you take one shot, you're protected for life.
There's very, you know, there's side effects are serious side effects are one in a million.
And, you know, I'd be the first in line to take it.
Right.
I'm not an anti-vaccine.
You're not an anti-vaxxer.
I want to say that too.
People say, but you're a safe vaxxer.
Is that what I'm saying?
We have robust science.
We have independent regulatory agencies and that the vaccine, that we're sure that the vaccine is averting more problems than it's causing.
And that seems like pretty reasonable.
I also don't think that the government, no matter what, ought to be able to mandate that people take medications, particularly medications that have risk.
And all vaccines have risks.
If they didn't have risk, it wouldn't have given them immunity from liability.
You know, that's why.
Take me through that when you say that if they didn't have risks, they wouldn't give them.
Here's what happened.
When I was a kid, I had three vaccines.
My kids got...
So they load them up with the shots, and in that, there's 72 vaccines.
There are 72 doses.
So, you know, hepatitis B, you get five doses of that.
But you get, all together, you're getting 72 doses.
And the change happened.
What happened is they added...
72 Doses or something?
I'll tell you a story real quick before you go, Bobby.
I'll tell you, before you go on, I'll tell you this story.
So I grew up in a town where, you know, a lot of, they had a primate testing facility in our town.
One of the first ones in the country was Tulane University.
Which is one of the reasons, too, why I'm fascinated by a lot of the stuff that you're into and that you speak out on is because, so when I was growing up, they had this facility.
It's one of the first places that they tested the polio vaccine because it was Tulane University.
They had a bunch of monkeys.
Yeah, is this some of the information, Nick, here?
Yeah, that's the cutter end.
Well, so they had tested this.
They had a woman in New Orleans named Dr. Mary Sherman.
And she allegedly realized that some of the vaccines that they were making were actually giving people polio and giving people, and actually, I think also causing cervical cancer in women.
I've read this over the years, and it's just been a lot of lore in our.
There was a woman at NIH called Bernice Eddie.
Well, she got murdered, though.
Dr. Mary Sherman got away from the city.
Oh, yeah, that's right.
That's Mary's monkey.
Yeah.
She got murdered in Louisiana.
She was associated with the FK assassination.
Yeah, there was some rumors of that and everything because Lee Harvey Oswald lived not far from there.
Because he went to school in our town where I grew up.
He went to middle school there.
But anyway, so there was always this lore that just that in our area.
You know, there was a lot of lore about that kind of stuff.
But they ended up giving that vaccine out.
This is where I'm going.
They knew the vaccine or there was rumor that the vaccine was falty and they gave it out anyway.
Yeah.
And that's the Cutter Laboratories, I think, that we're just looking at.
They gave it in California.
I think it made 60,000 people.
Yeah, 60,000.
He used to pull off it.
He's saying 40,000 people got polio from it and 200 people got paralysis and 10 were killed.
And this is Cutter Laboratory.
That was a laboratory, I guess, that was like working on the salt and Sabin vaccines.
Right.
So anyway, that stuff was always in my wheelhouse growing up.
Like, oh, my mom was big into that kind of stuff.
Like, are vaccines safe?
What's going on here?
You know, it was part of the lore in our area.
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So who kind of controls why we get vaccines?
Does the government control it or do businesses control it?
Do we have any sales?
Now the industry, which are four companies, it's Merck, Sanofi, Pfizer, and Glaxo, really control the whole process.
And they control these panels that the panel and FDA, VERPAC, that licenses the new vaccines, and then it goes over to the CDC, and they mandate them.
And both of those panels are completely controlled.
They're staffed by industry.
They're controlled by industry.
And Tony Fauci is, you know, is the kind of the guy who orchestrates that whole process.
But like I said, we now have the most aggressive vaccine schedule in the country.
With the COVID vaccine, you mean?
Well, no.
The problem with the COVID vaccine, I'll tell you, here's the problem, is they have all these vaccines and they recognize that it's going to be really hard to get a vaccine that does what people say they think it's going to do.
So they have been reducing the standards to make it so that they can pass a vaccine no matter what.
And what they think it's going to do is make it so that they don't have to worry about COVID at all.
Right.
Right.
Is that what they're doing?
If you get a shot, you're protected.
You're good.
And that you're not going to transmit it.
Okay.
And particularly, we want to make sure that the people who are vulnerable, so people with comorbidities and fragile elderly, that it's going to keep them from dying.
But what they did is the testing protocols that they're using do not require them to show any of those things.
The testing project, and I'll tell you how it works.
They take 22,000 people and they give them the Pfizer vaccine.
And they took 22,000 people and give them a placebo.
And then they wait, and it's double-blind.
So the way it's supposed to work is neither the patients, the subjects, test subject volunteers or the researchers know who got what.
Okay.
And then you wait till 100 people get sick from COVID.
That takes a while because, you know, you have 40,000 people and it's kind of hard nowadays to get sick from COVID.
You're not going to have the majority of those people exposed.
So after 100 people get sick, they stop the study and look at it.
And then they say, how many of those people got the vaccine and how many got the placebo?
And if 50% of them got the vaccine and 50% of the placebo, it means there's zero efficacy and the vaccine doesn't work.
Well, in this case, with Pfizer, everybody's excited because 90, they stopped the study when 95 people got sick.
And apparently, 85 of those people were in the placebo group, which means the vaccine appears to be 90% effective.
Here's the problem.
The way they measure whether you have COVID is that you have one positive PCR test.
You have one positive PCR test and you have one symptom.
So that could be a cough.
It could be a fever.
It could be a chill.
It could be a headache.
And you have COVID.
So what they're testing the vaccine for is not what we want to know.
Does it prevent you from dying?
Does it prevent you from being hospitalized?
Understood.
And we will never know from because they have geared back the studies to make them, as Peter Doshi, who's the editor of the British Medical Journal, he said this in the New York Times editorial.
He said these studies were designed to succeed so that you cannot fail.
No matter how bad the vaccine is, it's going to pass.
And we want a vaccine, right?
Everybody wants vaccines so we can restart the economy.
The big problem with this vaccine, there's two problems.
One is it does not prevent transmission.
That means I can get the vaccine and then I get exposed to COVID.
I still give COVID to you and everybody on the airplane.
You just don't experience it.
I don't experience it, but it makes it even more dangerous because normally if you don't have to.
Nobody would know you have it.
Then I'd stay home and I wouldn't infect buddy.
But if I'm feeling like a million bucks and I'm still, I become a super spreader like, you know, Typhoid Mary.
Oh, yeah.
You don't want that.
And yet that's what apparently this vaccine does.
It stops you from knowing it, but you continue to transmit it.
The other problem is that they're only testing them for a month or two months.
You're not going to see bad side effects till maybe a year out.
A lot of these injuries that you get from vaccines have very long incubation periods, autoimmune disease like diabetes, rheumatoid arthritis, Graves' disease, Crohn's disease, IBS.
You won't see these food allergies.
Yeah, it takes a long time for those to incubate inside of the body and grow up.
And what Pfizer is doing, which is very dishonest, is as soon as it finishes the study, it unblinds it so that everybody knows you got the vaccine, you got the placebo.
And then it takes all the people in the placebo group and it gives them the real vaccine.
So now we completely are unable to tell whether there's long-term injury.
It's like covering your future tracks, kind of.
Yeah, exactly.
And it's a trick that they've used in the vaccine industry.
It's the same thing they did with the cardasil vaccine.
But it makes it impossible for anybody to ever know whether the reason they're getting sick was because of that vaccine or whether it was just bad luck.
So why is it that we've become so like, why is it our government that's giving so much power to these companies and less thoughtfulness to the safety of humanity?
I mean, the problem is the entire sort of medical cartel is now feeding at the tit of big pharma.
So the universities are getting all their money from sponsoring clinical trials.
The regulatory agencies have become subject to what we call regulatory capture.
They've become sock puppets for the industry that they're supposed to regulate.
And you see that everywhere.
I mean, I've been suing regulatory agencies for 40 years, EPA, and the state agency that, for example, famously in Louisiana is utterly run by the oil industry and is corrupt.
But the corruption is particularly acute in HHS.
And the reason for that is that the agencies are really part of the industry.
So half of CDC's budget goes to buying and selling vaccines.
FDA, half of its budget comes from the pharmaceutical companies.
And with NIH, which is the other big agency, they are collecting tens of millions or hundreds of millions of dollars on vaccine patents.
So they work on the vaccine at the outset.
They transfer the patent to Gilead or Pfizer.
The Modern vaccine was completely developed by Tony Fauci.
He hands it to a private group.
They then, they put $2 billion of federal money into allowing them to develop it.
And then Tony Fauci's agency keeps half the profits from the vaccine.
It would be like, you know, I've sued EPA many times for being a captured agency, but, you know, what would it be like if EPA made half of its profits selling coal?
It's the same thing.
These agencies are not independent agencies.
They're completely captured.
And you have, you know, all of the other institutions of government that should stand between a greedy corporation and a vulnerable child have been compromised.
Jesus, man.
Congress gets more money, lobbying money from the pharmaceutical industry than any other industry.
They give them double what oil and gas costs.
I'm talking about lobbyists.
There's more pharma lobbyists on Capitol Hill than there are congressmen, senators, and Supreme Court justices combined.
Regulatory agencies have been captured.
The press is utterly captured.
And that's because in 1997, we passed a law in this country, or FDA, you know, changed the regulation to make it legal for the first time for television and radio and newspapers to advertise pharmaceutical products on the air direct to consumer pharmaceuticals.
When was that?
What year was that?
That was 97. Oh, there's only two countries in the world that allow that.
Everybody agrees a terrible thing to do.
Oh, and it's half of our commercials now as well.
Well, Roger Hills, who founded Fox, told me that there are 22 commercials on his average evening news show, and 17 of those are pharmaceutical.
Oh, yeah.
I'm just trying to get through half a family guy.
Next thing you know, I have HIV by the end of the day.
So you know what I'm saying?
It's just like the fear, and a lot of it's fear, too.
And they give you pictures of like, oh, here's a happy family, but you might have this looming in the distance.
You might have to do that.
Kevin Neal said that he wanted to do one of those ads where they list all these horrible things from the side effects and the people are walking around happy and laughing and playing football.
He said he just wants to do one of those ads where people are actually acting out the side effects.
That would be so good.
Man, he's so good.
SNL is not the same.
It was so different when they had guys like him, Carvey, Spade on there.
I feel like the level of humor was just so different.
It's just gotten different now on there.
So you have this meeting with Trump, just kind of going back to that.
You have the meeting with Trump.
And did you leave out of the meeting kind of hopeful about it?
Well, I said to him, what do you want me to do?
And he said, we want you to announce it.
So Jared Kushner escorted me to the press scrum.
How tall is Jared Kushner, do you think?
He's about, I think he's about my size.
He's about 6'1.
Okay.
And I think you're like 6'1 ⁇ , too.
Yeah, I'm about a little over 6. I'm reaching.
I'm doing yoga too.
I actually did some this morning.
Yeah, well, you start shrinking, too, aren't you?
I told you the next 20 years of your life are going to be a nightmare because you battle against it a lot.
I see you at the gym all the time.
Yeah, you used to.
Yeah, until it closed up.
But I hear about you at the gym sometimes.
When it opened back up briefly, the trainer that I have was like, oh, I saw Bobby Kennedy in there the other day.
I was like, yeah, he's in there.
So you left out of there.
Was it Hope?
Oh, yeah.
So then I went down and announced it, talked to the press, and then a week later, Pfizer made a million-dollar contribution to Trump's inaugural.
And then Trump comes in, and we continue to have some meetings with Fauci and, you know, that he had set up that were part of this process and we're rolling to get this thing started.
And does Fauci seem legit when you talk to him?
You seem like somebody, you seem like a Listen, Fauci, I'm about to publish a book on Fauci.
Yeah.
And he's, you know, he's basically, he's been there for 50 years.
So he's like J. Edgar Hoover.
And the only way that you last at that agency for 50 years is by carrying water for the pharmaceutical industry.
And under his watch, he's supposed to prevent autoimmune and allergic diseases.
Under his watch, chronic disease has gone from affecting 12% of the American population to 54%.
We take more pharmaceutical drugs than anybody in the world.
We pay the highest prices.
He's made this country a pharmaceutical nation.
Yeah, my brother's allergic to sesame seeds.
Exactly.
And the way that you get allergies is from the aluminum adjuvant in the vaccine, which is meant is put in that vaccine to initiate an allergic response.
And so if you have sesame seed oil as an excipient in the vaccine, or if you're eating sesame seeds when you have that aluminum adjuvant in you, it can provoke an allergic, a permanent allergy.
And if you look, you don't know anybody who is my age who has food allergies, very, very hard to find.
I think it's one in something like 1,300.
And today, if you're born, you're going to kill half a football team.
You know what I'm saying?
After 1989.
So anybody who was born after 89, I think it's one in 12 now.
Autism went from one in 10,000 in my generation to one in every 34 kids.
And it's the same with all these chronic diseases that are all listed as side effects.
So the proof seems to be right there.
Well, that's correlation, which isn't actually proof.
But if you actually go into the scientific literature, the proof is there.
But now is that science – so whenever you talk to Trump and you said, okay, let's open up this database, right, this information because you said like – You don't have to go to Congress.
You don't have to change regulations.
All you have to do is open up the vaccine safety data link, which is the medical records for the top nine HMOs, and allow independent scientists to go in there and just open it up so they can start publishing.
And did he do it?
And no, he didn't.
It's still locked down.
Tony Fauci makes sure nobody can get in there.
And even when Congress ordered these two scientists called David and Michael Geyer, ordered them to go in there and they let them into the place, they gave them one study room.
They would not allow them near a copy machine.
They allowed them pencils.
And they had to write down data.
And they cranked the heat in the room up to 105.
And they stole their hard drives.
And they did try to want anybody in that.
And writing's hard.
You've written a letter.
It's like having a stroke the whole time.
It's like, I feel like it's fucking insane.
Have you written something?
I mean, it's absolutely.
I mean, you might still write.
It's getting...
So anyway...
So anyway, so big pharma stepped in.
Big pharma step in, and then Trump appoints Pfizer's lobbyist to run FDA, Scott Gottlieb, and Eli Lilly's lobbyist, Alex Azar, to run HHS.
And as soon as they came in, they shut us down.
And was that a big, were you bummed about that?
Was I bummed?
Yeah, I was very bummed.
I'd have been bummed.
Yeah, of course.
It was like within our grasp, you know.
And do you think, because I feel like a lot of the thing with Trump was that he, a lot of people felt like and feel like that he was trying to speak for like the just everyday working guy.
Do you feel like he was like that?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I mean, look, he's also a shit.
I mean, he also is like, you know, has this mystique of being this businessman that hides behind lawyers and, you know, like just like every other businessman, kind of, it seems like a lot of times.
Yeah.
You know what?
I don't like bullies and I didn't like that part of his character.
I just, I don't care.
I'm nonpartisan.
If it's a Democrat or if it's a Republican and they do something wrong, I'm going to call them on it.
And, you know, I don't think bullying people is a good thing.
And I think, you know, one of the gifts that Donald Trump had are really, you know, gifts of demagoguery that he was able to connect to a lot of the kind of darker sides of people, to bigotry and anger.
And I'm not, you know, and I watched that happen.
That's not imaginary.
And a lot of people think that that's okay.
Do you think the media had a large part in that?
I mean, I'm not.
I think the media was reprehensible on both sides.
And I think the coverage of Trump by, for example, CNN was sickening.
Because I saw Trump do a lot of things that should be criticized and that we should be horrified by.
The media coverage was extremely dishonest.
And the media coverage of COVID has been absolutely dishonest.
And that, to me, is what I object.
What I object about, for example, the mandates, the maths, the lockdowns, et cetera.
I read the science.
And if you go to CHD's website, Children's Health Defense, you can see the math studies that we've been able to accumulate.
And we take the ones that say the maths work, which are very few, and they're mainly CDC sponsored, and the many, many, many that say that they don't work, that they make you sick, that there's problems with it.
But I don't take a position on that.
And the CHC doesn't take a position.
The thing that offends me is that you're not allowed to debate those things.
Why can't we, why don't we see somebody on CNN who says, I don't believe maths work and here's why.
And somebody else who says, you know, they do work and we should mandate them or have them.
And let's hear the argument.
Let's hear the argument on the lockdowns.
Why are there no economists on CNN who says, yeah, you may save 200,000 people who are going to die from COVID, maybe, but you're going to kill 400,000 from disrupting the supply chains from medication, from deferred medical treatment, from bankruptcies.
And here's the cause.
We can all see it.
Normally, I've sued government agencies for 40 years for not going through due process.
So a government agency tries to give a permit to an oil company to dump in the Hudson River.
And I say, no, you can't do that unless you go through notice and comment rulemaking.
You have to post the rule publicly so everybody can read it.
You have to do an environmental impact or regulatory impact statement that tells the justification for the rule.
So all the scientific studies that you're relying on that justify that rule.
And you have to have a public hearing.
You have to have a comment period where the public can come out and comment on it and say, wait a minute, if you do that, you're going to close down my restaurant and every restaurant in my town.
And here's a different way to do it where you can tweak the rule what you want without destroying all these businesses.
But there's a debate and there's back and forth.
And you have an administrative hearing, which is just like a trial, where they bring all of their experts in to say, you know, here's why we need this rule.
And we, the people who oppose it, can bring their own experts in.
And then they do direct examination and cross-examination.
And then there's a recommendation and the rule gets passed.
None of that happened.
We were just told, you do what you're told.
Mass work.
Anybody who says they don't is unpatriotic, is evil, is trying to pass disease, is inconsiderate and selfish.
And they need to be shut up and shut down and not listened to.
And that's not American.
It's not due process.
It's not the way we work in this country.
And what I think people are really uncomfortable with, I don't think, you know, some of these people are selfish, but I think the vast majority of people who are out there with questions who are protesting are protesting because they're very uneasy about this kind of totalitarian, authoritarian control where all of the, you know, the indicia of democracy and the guarantees of civil rights are being abandoned.
It's being, well, I mean, it's funny, Bob, you strike me, it's like there's jetliners just going up and down a jetway, and you remind me of like someone who's like, but what about due process?
You're like standing there waving.
And that's what a lot of people like, I think, you know, you grow up and you hear like, these are the rules of how we play in this society.
And it's like, there's no one, yeah, a lot of times it feels like no one is following them anymore.
So I think when you get anybody like Trump who says, who I think at least like is a stern voice, this is why I think one of the reasons a lot of people voted for Trump, because at least he was like a stern voice that was different than the status quo.
I think a lot of people wanted, I would have elected a fucking cookie.
I would have voted a chocolate chip cookie in the office.
I'm so tired of politics in my life.
Like I just felt, I just felt like it started to feel like, and I'm just an everyday guy.
Like I don't know that much, but it started to feel like everything's been bought and sold.
Like there, you know, there's no one standing up for like just the guy who goes to work and works hard.
It doesn't mean anything.
You know, there's no borders.
People that are going to fight for the military doesn't mean everything started to feel like it didn't mean anything.
I don't know.
I'm kind of rambling here a little bit.
No, I mean, I agree.
I agree with this.
But it started to feel like, I don't know.
And it's not only that the government is no longer working for us and going through the process of due process and allowing debate, but they also have this extraordinary capacity now to censor the press.
My Instagram has been shut down.
And it's not because I said anything that was untrue.
It's because I said things that challenge pharmaceutical products, criticize pharmaceutical products, and challenge government policies and said, wait a minute, that policy does not make sense to me for this reason.
You cannot show me a single time on my Instagram that I put something up there that wasn't true.
And yet it's been frozen.
You're just asking people to, hey, look, can we look at this?
Like, no, there's no, it's definitely like that, especially like working in Hollywood and that sort of thing, where it's like, if you even raise your hand and say, but what about this?
Like, what about these people?
Like, why is racism always blamed on white people?
If you even try to bring up a conversation, I'm not trying to get into racism or anything, but about anything, but what about this?
Like, what about mass?
Everybody just immediately just, you can't even ask a question.
The minute you ask a question, you are silenced, it feels like.
And yeah, it just starts to feel kind of scary.
One other thing about mass is that if you look at the history of totalitarian regimes, what they always do, whether it was Franco or Mussolini or Hitler or Stalin or any, or Papadoc, they all do the same thing, which is to try to crush culture and to crush any evidence of self-expression.
So when Hitler and Stalin came in, they killed all the artists who did not agree with a certain paradigm, with a paradigm that was consistent with their ideology.
They killed the poets.
They killed the intellectuals.
They killed anybody who was, you know, the comedians.
They had to get rid of them because that is self-expression.
And what is the ultimate vector for self-expression?
It's your facial expressions.
And, you know, a mask, putting on a mask and not allowing human beings to communicate to each other.
And, you know, we have hundreds of muscles in our face.
And they were evolved to communicate in subtle and beautiful ways to people with very, you know, nuanced changes and expressions.
Exactly.
And you put that on people.
And that's why, you know, with theocratic regimes, the most tyrannical regimes in the world, like Saudi Arabia, where women go to jail for driving a car, they tell women, you are chattels.
You are property.
You are commodities.
And we don't want you to even show your facial expression.
So put on that burqa.
And now I feel like, you know, we've all been told to put on the burqa, strap it on, be obedient.
And what is the purpose of that?
In many cases, I think, in the minds of some people, it is a placeholder for the vaccine.
You're going to keep that on because the real money, they've put already $18 billion into the vaccines.
The Pentagon, we just got a secret contract from the Pentagon with Moderna.
Who is we?
Well, my group, Children's Health Defense.
Okay.
And we were able to get this.
They sent us heavily redacted the contracts between Moderna and NIH, and then a heavily redacted Pentagon contract.
But even from that contract, which you can look at on my Instagram, you know, says that the Pentagon commits, if Moderna gets emergency use authorization, which is completely in Tony Fauci's hands,
that the Pentagon commits to giving $9 billion to Moderna, half of which goes to Tony Fauci's agency to buy $200 million or 500 million doses of the vaccine.
So that's two doses for every man, woman, and child in this country.
And it's going to the Pentagon, which is the military, which is scary.
So, you know, there's so much money involved here.
And the masks are really like a placeholder.
They're like, they're a way of, it feels like somebody's saying to us, you keep that freaking mask on your face until you get your vaccine, and then we'll let you take it off.
But until then, you keep it on.
And it's like a hostage taking.
Oh, and it feels like you keep your mouth shut.
It's hard to relate to others with my mask on.
I feel like I'm, even if I'm in a room with somebody, it feels like I'm not in the room with them.
There's a lot of, there's a lot of different things there.
And it's interesting because you talk about so many things where we don't get proof.
We don't get access to the proof of the studies.
But with the mask, I feel like it's obvious that there's a lot of proof that we get as individuals like that, that it just doesn't feel very human.
It doesn't feel very, I don't feel like a human being with that thing on.
And that's a cost.
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These guys don't eff around, baby gang.
You know that.
And, you know, somebody said when I was in Europe, you know, and I didn't have a mask on, I spoke to this big crowd in Berlin and there was an NBC group there that said to me, you know, why aren't you wearing a mask?
Aren't you scared?
And I said, I'm more scared of censorship than I am of COVID.
And that may sound insensitive because people are dying of COVID.
But people died in the American Revolution too.
And they died in the American Revolution to preserve our constitutional rights and our freedoms.
And at some point, we have to say, you know, what kind of nation are we?
Are we the land of the free and the home of the brave?
Or are we, you know, a land where somebody is pointing to something and saying, be scared.
Keep yourself in a constant state of fear so that we can, you know, so we can do some business stuff.
Wait till we tell you what's next and then you'll be ready.
Wait till we get the sponsorship money and then we'll tell you exactly what you need next.
Why is it so Why when you say that?
To me, it sounds very normal, but I'm starting to get this weird acclamation to stuff like that sounding outrageous, right?
And I know that it doesn't in my immediacy, but when I start factoring into like, okay, well, if I say those things, what are people going to think?
I think you're going to get a lot of sort of hate on this podcast.
I don't know.
Oh, I don't think that we will.
Most audiences are pretty open to things.
They can watch someone and see that, okay, this is a person who has a point of view.
This isn't a vile person.
This isn't a bad creature.
Not only might they agree with your point of view, but also they can just hear it.
I think most people can still hear things pretty regularly.
I think a lot of people, like you said, it's just become a lot of fear.
I'm just of a different ilk, I guess, where it's like, I don't know.
Just, I don't know, man.
I feel like I can't say what I'm trying to say right now, but everything, they just make you feel so crazy if you think anything different.
And you can't share it on Twitter.
Twitter is totally, you can't even ask a question on Twitter without being.
Well, they have all, you know, they have a whole infrastructure of trolls and, you know, response that is just, you know, it's all pharma paid for and it's hateful and all of that.
But, you know, there's also a lot of people who just, you know, and particularly in my party, which is the Democratic Party, had seen mass as a symbol of moral rectitude.
And, you know, they believe it.
And I, my, you know, my orientation is science.
I've been, you know, I've been litigating on science for 30 years or 40 years.
And, you know, like I was part of the trial team on the Monsanto case.
My wife came to watch me.
Oh, Monsanto's from crops, huh?
Yeah, and Roundup.
You know, Roundup.
Oh, dude, hell yeah, dude.
We used to, yeah, I got freaking a bunch of fertilizer dumped on me one time and it burned a lot of my skin.
Yeah, well, you need a good lawyer, man.
I shouldn't have one then, bro.
It was crazy, dude.
It was a difficult time, though.
We tried the three Monsanto cases that, you know, ultimately brought down the company.
And my wife, who you know, Cheryl Hines, came to the trial and she was, you know, we was there on a day when Monsanto's Harvard experts were on the stand and they were so convincing and persuasive that, you know, that roundup was completely safe.
And she said to me, well, you know, why are we even here?
These guys know what they're talking about.
They're educated.
They have credentials and they're totally convincing.
And then the next day, she heard our guys.
And she was like, whoa, that guy from Harvard was totally full of crap.
Oh, you know, the idea that the idea that we can trust an expert to tell us what's good for us, every trial I've ever been involved with, there's an expert on both sides.
And they're both equally convincing.
And that's why you need the debate.
That's why, you know, saying Tony Fauci, that's why people say, I want a second opinion.
He's a doctor.
He hasn't treated patients for 50 years.
He's a doctor, but he doesn't know anything about economics.
He cannot tell you how many people are dying of unemployment.
There are studies from the 1980s.
There's a famous study in 1982.
In the 1980s, there was these huge downsizing and layoffs that were occurring in our country.
And there was a whole cottage industry, a whole school of economics that grew up to see what happens to people when they get unemployed.
And there's one very famous study.
It's cited hundreds of times in the literature that said that for every additional one point in unemployment, there's 37,000 Americans die.
9,000 of them die of heart attacks, 900 from suicide, and so on and so on.
Hypertension, diabetes, lose their health care, all of these mad things.
There's a cascade of bad things happen.
Our population was about half.
So you have to double that and say for every point in unemployment, we're going to lose maybe 60,000 dead and otherwise would not have died.
And are we saving more lives?
Are we killing more people with the quarantine than we are killing with COVID?
That's a great question.
Nobody has done that assessment.
And that's the weird thing is people say, listen to the experts.
Anthony Fauci is not an expert on deaths from unemployment.
And, you know, and when Britain did this study, Britain said in five weeks in April and May, there were 30,000 excess deaths in elderly facilities, which they call nursing homes in Britain.
But only 10,000 of them had COVID.
20,000 of them died from isolation.
Oh, yeah.
I'm not shocked.
I mean, I notice even just in my own, like, you know, going to 12-step and going to recovery and not being able to have those meetings and not being able to.
Oh.
I mean, the addiction rates are.
I cannot even imagine, bro.
Right.
I cannot even imagine how like...
It's a lot of people's livelihoods.
And that's a lot of people.
And there's just no talk about the human effect of some of this, it feels like sometimes.
It's just about this weird medical effect or medical fear, which kind of it's not shocking then if big, if big pharma and that money is slowly seeped its arms all the way in everything that at the very pinnacle of discussion, the only thing people are concerned about, the media is concerned about, is the medical effects of it and no longer the human effects of it.
Had Sanderson Cooper ever, not once, had an economist on.
I don't know, bro.
You know, I mean, that's just my thought, bro.
But you know what I'm saying?
I'll put side control on that dude in a heartbeat, but that's just me.
You know, I don't know, though.
I don't know.
Here's a question right here from a young man who's probably about to die of something of a car accident at the same time.
No, I'm just joking.
Thank you for sending in the video.
We can't hear it out here, Nick, I don't think.
I had a question in the meantime.
So you said how the Pfizer vaccination right now doesn't – So do you see a world where they push forward with this?
You could still spread it, but it supposedly makes you healthy, but then we still have to keep the masks on even what you said about the facial expressions, that was like terrifying, but it seems like the way they're kind of marketing it right now, oh, you can still spread it.
We may still even.
Yeah, I mean, it's going to be really, you know, we really have to be utterly under hypnosis for them to be able to tell us to take this vaccine when the whole point of the vaccine is the only three points.
Because we don't care if you get a fever or a chill.
Nobody cares about that.
What we care is, do you die?
Do you have to get hospitalized?
And do you transmit the disease to others?
Well, here's a vaccine that doesn't prevent any of those things as far as we know.
How can they now mandate that people get that?
It's really a complete disconnect.
It's cognitive dissonance where people will say, you know, somehow this is a life-saving medication because it prevents you from coughing.
And it does nothing about anything to do with this virus that anybody cares about.
But then why would everyone, why would they agree to that then?
Why would they?
I don't know.
If you're a nurse, they'll do like nurses, doctors, people who work in nursing homes first who will lose their job, firefighters, first responders.
And then they'll do the University of California.
The University of California just mandated a flu shot.
There is no flu this year.
And flu shots, we know from the literature, increase your chance of getting COVID.
The Pentagon did a study in January where they gave, you know, a placebo group of soldiers and they gave the flu vaccine.
And the soldiers who got the flu vaccine were 36% more likely to get COVID.
Coronavirus, not coronavirus 19, but a coronavirus.
But there are many, many, many other studies, and people should go to Children's Health Defense website, my website.
You can look up Letter to Sanjay Gupta, which is a letter I wrote to Sanjay Gupta, which outlines all of these studies that show that if you get a flu shot, you are much more likely to get coronavirus or some other upper respiratory viral infection.
It wrecks your immune system.
And yet, the University of California mandated it.
We sue them.
We lost that lawsuit because the judge said, well, you know, I'm not going to arbitrate medicine.
Somebody's already made that decision.
That's the problem is that, and then they're going to tell you, you can't go to a ballgame, you can't go to a bar, you can't go to a movie unless you get the vaccine.
But back to that, back to the University of California case.
But does that shot do more good than it does bad?
The flu shot does much more.
Listen, people should not listen to me.
And I always tell people, listen, you need to look at the science, but I can tell you what the science says, and then you should check on this.
You can go to my website, to the Children's Health Defense website, look on my letter to Sanjay Gupta, and I go through because there's been three major studies on, which are called meta-reviews, which means there are hundreds and hundreds of studies on the flu shot on various aspects.
Does it prevent hospitalization in the elderly?
Does it cause injuries in babies when it's, you know, when maternal flu shots, et cetera.
So there's hundreds of questions.
There's hundreds and hundreds of studies.
And there are three meta-reviews.
A meta-review is when a group of scientists go out and says, we're going to look at every study that's ever been done and tell you what the state of the science is right now on these questions.
So the meta-reviews have been done, two of them by the Cochrane Collaboration, which is the ultimate arbiter for pharmaceuticals.
It's 30,000 scientists who don't take pharmaceutical money and the top scientists in the world recognized by it.
The leader of them is a guy called Thomas Jefferson.
He's a founder and he's very, very famous British scientist.
Not the president.
He's a British scientist.
And then the other was by the British Medical Journal.
And here's what they said.
You have to give 100 flu shots to prevent one case of the flu.
There's no evidence that flu shots.
One person, you mean?
To prevent one case.
You have to give 100 shots to prevent one case of the flu.
You're only preventing a case.
There's no evidence that the flu shot prevents any hospitalizations or any deaths.
In fact, since they started giving the flu shot to elderly people, the death rate has grown up dramatically.
A flu shot is not preventing deaths in the elderly.
If you get a flu shot, you will not get, you're less likely to get the flu shot of that strain of flu, but you're five times more likely to get a non-flu infection.
And that you're six times more likely to transmit the flu.
So the flu shot does not prevent you from transmitting it.
So That's what the flu shot, and we've had the flu shot for 90 years.
So, the COVID thing, the COVID almost sounds like it'd be just another flu shot almost.
And that's what I've said from the beginning: we've had a flu shot for 90 years, and that's the best they can do.
And COVID, it's much more difficult to develop a coronavirus vaccine.
And one of the problems that's unique to coronavirus vaccine in the past is that coronavirus vaccines are known to wreck your immune system.
And it's a phenomenon that is known as pathogenic priming.
And what they found is they give the coronavirus vaccine to ferrets, for example, in 2014.
Good.
The ferrets developed a very good antibody response.
And ferrets, you mean the animals.
Yeah, and they use ferrets because ferrets are the closest analogy to human beings when it comes to upper respiratory viral infections.
Yes.
And so that's what they are.
They always use ferrets.
Disgusting.
Sorry, I know you love animals, but they pissed on me at my buddy fucking Curtis's house, and that shit will never go away, man.
But he let them out also.
Oh, dude, it was, they are just wild.
Anyway, go on.
I'm sorry.
So anyway, they gave it to the ferrets.
The ferrets got a very good antibody response.
But then when the ferrets were exposed to the wild coronavirus, they all died.
I see what you're saying.
So it's pathogen priming.
It's like it'll like it'll help you to that one specific thing.
But then when something else comes along, it makes you less likely to be able to defend yourself against it.
Wow.
Here's a question right here from a young man.
Hello, Mr. Kennedy.
It's great seeing you chop it up with Theo here.
I know you're really concerned about children's safety.
I'm just kind of wondering what are the top three to five areas of concern, chemicals, et cetera, influencing raising kids right now?
All right, thanks.
Bye.
Well, you know, and that's a good question.
We know that there's been a dramatic explosion of chronic disease in our children.
So in 1946 of Americans had chronic disease.
By chronic disease, I mean autoimmune disease is one category.
Allergic diseases, obesity also is in there, and then neurodevelopmental diseases.
And in 1946 of Americans had chronic disease.
By 1986, 12.8% had chronic diseases, according to HHS studies.
So it doubled.
And, you know, people then, the vaccine schedule had gone from three during that period to 11. And then in 2006, HHS studied the issue again and found that 54% of Americans have chronic disease, American children.
A dramatic, more than half our kids.
HHS is what?
Health and Human Services.
That is the kind of the Uber agency in which CDC, FDA, and NIH are housed.
Okay.
And they did the study.
And the question is, what is causing this explosion in chronic disease?
We know it's not genes because genes do not cause epidemics.
They don't cause sudden epidemics.
Genes can provide a vulnerability.
You need an environmental toxin.
And there's a scientist called Phil Langegin who looked at all of the possible suspects.
And he came up with, I think, about 11. And one of those is, you know, is glyphosate pesticides, which follow the timeline.
Neonicotoid pesticides, which again follow the same timeline.
PFOAs, which is a flame retardant that became, it's in children's pajamas and it's in, you know, it's in masks, in fact, that are made by 3M.
So we're breathing that, you know, which is carcinogen.
And then EMFs, which are basically cell phones, and then vaccines.
And those are the primary culprits.
And it would be very easy for the government.
There's a narrow view.
I mean, one of the other ones that's on that list is ultrasound, because ultrasound, you know, followed the timeline and it's ubiquitous.
It's in every hospital and it's all over the world and all these babies are getting it.
So it has to be a suspect.
Oh, I understand that for a baby.
If I'm a baby and I hear something like that, I'd be.
I don't believe it, but I don't know much about it.
I believe that the real culprits are the vaccines.
I think the pesticide.
Listen, our kids are swimming around in a toxic soup today.
So their immune systems are under constant assault.
And what happens is that a lot of those substances open up the blood-brain barrier.
So a lot of the toxics that normally your body could excrete are ending up going into their brains.
And, you know, you're getting all of these neurodevelopmental effects.
And, you know, and it's probably, you know, you also have fluoride and drinking water.
You have dental amalgams, which are, you know, mercury.
And so there's all these different toxins.
But I would say kind of the, you know, that I'm most worried about, the ones which are the EMFs from cell phones and from the towers, 5G.
I think it's going to be really a catastrophe.
Because we don't know the long-term effects of that.
No, and there are literally tens of thousands of studies that show that it, including a $30 million NIH study that was just released that show that, you know, they cause cancer, they cause cell damage, and, you know, and they cause brain injuries.
They change your EEGs.
Kids who put a cell phone to their head for two minutes, their EEGs do not return to normal for 12 hours.
And it's all around us right now.
So 5G is really, I think, a catastrophe.
Yeah, we don't know the long-term effects of these waves going through our body.
No, damn, microwaves.
I'm going to turn into a fucking snail by the way.
I don't mean to depression.
No, it's okay.
Look, I knew it was coming.
Here's the thing: I know every time I answer my phone that it's coming.
I know when I wake up in the morning after I do yoga, after I meditate, once I start to reach for that phone, there's no denying that there's a ping, which I now call it ironically, that goes off inside of my head and in my spirit that tells me it's not a good thing to do.
Well, you know what?
There's people, first of all, I never put this out on next to my head.
I always hold it, put it on speaker and hold it away.
And I have one room in my house that's armored, so there's no EMF sitting there.
And I sleep in that room.
There's people who now will do that.
You have to make sure because it's a predatory industry.
Oh, that's for the elite right there.
Armored bedroom.
Well, it's, you know, they paint it with carbon.
And the thing is, my group, Children's Health Defense, is fighting a lawsuit in front of FCC.
So we have a woman who's an Israeli attorney.
She used to be, she used to work for the Israeli Defense Forces and their intelligence unit.
She was doing all of that.
She was completely surrounded by cyber warfare or electronic equipment all day, and she was fine with it.
And one day, it just leveled her.
And from then on, anytime she gets even near the cell phone, she gets sick.
She came into my house.
This is why I did it.
Okay.
Because I got seven kids.
And she came into my house.
Shit, I think you had six kids when this podcast was.
Well, I did.
You know, I'm married, Cheryl, and she has a kid.
She has more.
No, no, you do.
Yeah, she does.
I met her kid.
Beautiful kid.
Anyway, she came to my house and she said, you have, and she's so sensitive to it.
She can tell different parts of the house and different regions of each room where I have it.
And the other thing is I could check her story because I got a meter.
She gave me the meter.
And then she said, follow me around and I will tell you where it's hot, where you dirty.
And she can go to any part of my house and say, this is like killing me right here.
And I'll turn on it on the meter and it goes off the chart.
She came to my bedroom and it was just, you know, it was wild, dirty electricity everywhere.
And particularly next day, I had to my bed.
And I said, so at that point, I was like, okay, what is it going to cause?
Let's do it.
And so we bunker up.
We have one room where, you know, where there's nothing.
And I go in that room and I can sleep at night.
And I, you know, I go right to sleep.
And I have never been able to sleep in my life.
I'm kicked the sheets for hours.
Look, it's hard to sleep when there's a lot to defend out there, you know?
It really is, though.
When you have a lot on your soul to defend.
What was that question that came up from that young lady, Nick?
It was about 5G you guys answered it.
Okay, let's answer the one that came up with that young, who he had the child, and he said, what would you do?
That first one you showed me when I walked in, if that's okay.
Oh, yeah.
The guy who looked like he was almost...
Was he from Salt Lake?
Hey, Theo, this is Randy Rally from Salt Lake City, Utah.
Hey, I just had a question for Robert Kennedy.
I just wanted to know, I've heard him say that there are no safe vaccines out there.
So if he had a newborn right now, would he vaccinate that child?
Would he be selective about the vaccines that he gives that child?
Or would he just forego any vaccines at all?
I appreciate the input.
I appreciate the information.
And love your show, man.
Gang, gang.
Gang, bro.
That's a good question.
So, you know, I don't give people advice on what to do because I'm not a doctor, but I would tell you what I would do.
I fully vaccinated all my kids.
And I also took the flu vaccine every year.
And, you know, this thing I got in my voice, which is called spasmodic dystonia, I was actually reading, I'm doing some litigation against the companies and part of it.
I had to look at all the side effects.
And for the first time, about a month ago, I was looking through, you know, when you look at the side effects that they publish on the manufacturer's insert of the vaccine, some of them are pages long and they'll have, you know, 60 or 70 injuries.
And one of the top ones of the flu vaccine was spasmodic dystonia, which is what I got.
And I was taking a flu vaccine every year at that point.
And for years, doctors have said to me, what trauma did you do?
Because you need a trauma to trigger this.
I got this when I was 42. Wow.
And so for the first time, it occurred to me that this might be a vaccine injury.
My kids are all healthy, robust.
Tall even.
A couple of them boys are pretty tall.
Yeah.
I have one that's 6'5.
You barely see the one kid.
But, you know, they have severe peanut allergies.
We have asthma.
We have ADHD.
We have all of the stuff that is associated with that generation born after 1989, the vaccine generation.
So here's what I will tell you.
I would never, if I could go back, I would unvaccinate all my kids because I think they did suffer injuries.
I would never give a kid a vaccine that had aluminum or mercury in it.
So some of the flu vaccines have mercury, sell about 13%.
And then there's a lot of the vaccines that have aluminum, and I would really stay away from those.
The problem is that none of the vaccines are safety tested.
So there's none of them where you can say that this vaccine is going to avert more problems than it's causing.
I would do your own research, look at the ingredients of the vaccine, and ask yourself if you want those things in your child's body, and look at the side effects and ask yourself, do I want to take this risk?
And remember this.
According to HHS, fewer than 1% of vaccine injuries are reported.
You have to multiply what you see on that list by 100.
Because we don't know that they're injuries from it.
Because people don't know.
I never reported my kids on food allergies as vaccine injuries, but now I recognize that, of course, that's what they are.
And people, you know, the doctors are reluctant to report them because if you, let's say you get your shots, the doctor said this is going to be good for your child.
And your child two days later or a week later gets a seizure or gets SIDS or something else.
And you go back and say, could it have been the vaccines?
The doctor will say, absolutely not, because he doesn't know.
There's no course in medical school on vaccine injury.
It's not taught.
They're just taught the vaccines are all good.
They never hurt anybody.
And, you know, they're necessary.
Well, will they be taught, though, down the road?
Because, I mean, or does Big Pharma influence what's taught at the school level as well?
Big Pharma owns the journals and it owns the medical schools because the medical schools, their funding is coming from those pharmaceutical companies because the way it works, there's researchers who are the teachers at that medical school.
A lot of them are running clinical trials for the pharmaceutical companies.
That's how they make their side income.
And the medical school, so the pharmaceutical company will say, pay that doctor, let's say, $20,000 a patient for the people that he's experimenting on for a new medication.
And the medical school takes half of that money as a, you know, skims half of that money off.
Plus, if that product that that doctor is working on actually makes it to market, the medical school then can collect royalties on it.
The medical schools are making billions of dollars from these companies.
And if the medical school does something that the company doesn't like, the company stops giving it business.
And so they, you know, the companies, if pharmaceutical companies can dictate virtually every aspect of, you know, of what happens at that medical school, including the curriculum.
It's money, man.
It's the same as with entertainment industry.
It's like, you know, if they don't like what you have to say sometimes or what you're thinking, then they don't go your direction.
You know, it's like, I don't know.
There's like any contrary, anything that's contrarian, I feel like it seems suddenly becomes conspiracy these days.
Does that make any sense or no?
That's, you know, I mean, you know, it's the way, you know, some of my things.
There's a way to attack any inconvenient truth by just saying that it's a conspiracy theory.
Yeah.
But it's like the number one thing people go to now.
Look at this conspiracy theorist.
I had a comedy special I did a few years ago that came out on Netflix and they just because of my accent and stuff and I like this.
Somebody wrote an article and it was like, if Trump hasn't found his favorite comedian, he'll love this guy.
And it was right during the election, like around that time.
And it just like fucking broke my arc.
It's like I've worked so hard like 12 years to get this comedy put together.
And it's a sarcasm.
It's all sarcasm.
And then you get to this moment and then somebody just labels you one way just because they're fucking dumb and don't want to be, you don't want to think or, you know, recognize.
It just, I don't know.
That shit just fucking burns me sometimes, man.
How immediately somebody can see what's happening.
Oh, you know, like they label you anti-vax.
Yeah.
But you're not.
You'res for safety vaccs.
And every time I say I'm not an anti-vaccine, I mean, I was, listen, I've been trying to get mercury out of fish for 40 years and nobody calls me anti-fish.
You know, I want to get the poison out of the vaccines.
I'm not any, it's like I want seatbelts and automobiles.
It doesn't mean I'm against cars.
But it's a way to marginalize you.
It's a way to vilify you.
It's a way to justify censoring you by putting you in that category.
He's anti-vax.
He's crazy.
Don't listen to him.
Don't let him.
None of these guys will let me on TV.
You know, Anderson Cooper.
There's no way in the world they would ever allow me on network TV.
Make your own channel.
What?
Tell me how to do that.
Oh, I think, I mean, I feel like you could do it easily.
I think, well, it's funny because when you were coming in, two people who I love, my mom being one, she said, Theo, this is wonderful.
His group, The Children's Vaccine Health Defense, has a great email newsletter.
I read it all the time.
It's called The Defender.
Yep, called The Defender.
He has some libertarian views.
I'm so happy to have him, that you get to have him.
And then I said, well, make a video.
She said, I can.
I'm working.
But I would ask him the impetus behind the formation of the Children's Health Defense other than his standing up for the underdog.
Yeah, I mean, you know, the children's health defense, we do all of the issues that I was talking about.
We do fluoride.
We do pesticides.
You know, we did Roundup and we do vaccines.
And any exposure to children, well, our issue is why is it acceptable that 54% of our kids are sick?
We should have 6% top that are sick.
That's what the background rate is.
And why are we all walking around saying this is normal?
You know, why is it when I was a kid that there were no kids with autism?
They say one in 10,000, but I've never met anybody who's 66 with full-blown autism.
God damn.
Hell no, dude.
You don't see people.
He had the chism, they called it by us, the chism, when I was growing up.
Yeah, well, we didn't have it.
We didn't know.
Nobody knew it.
Nobody knew even or ever heard the word autism until 1988.
That's when Rainman came out, right?
Oh, yeah, he had it.
Yeah, but it wasn't real.
It's not what they call full-blown autism.
It's more Asperger's syndrome.
Yeah, he had Asperger's.
That's a good point.
Right.
Full-blown autism is non-verbal, non-toilet train, head-banging, stimming, horrible gutaches.
And that's half of the people who have it.
So it's a million people.
And you don't see, you will never see somebody my age, 66, walking around the mall, a man with diapers on and a football helmet and banging his head, non-verbal, stimming, and engaging in these stereotypical behaviors.
They don't exist.
They're not locked somewhere because there's no place to put them.
And by the way, I was raised on the spear tip of the movement for rights and care for people with intellectual disabilities.
My aunt, Eunice Shriver, is my godmother, founded Special Olympics.
My cousin founded Best Buddies.
I worked in Special Olympics when I was still called Camp Shriver.
Like Maria Shriver?
Yeah, she's right.
Maria's mom.
Maria's my cousin.
Oh, wow.
You met Arnold Schwarzenegger before?
Yeah, he's my cousin-in-law, of course.
Yeah, that's crazy, bro.
That's crazy.
I remember seeing True Lies.
Remember that movie?
I haven't seen that.
Pretty good.
Let me think of one more question.
Do we have any other good video questions that come in?
Nick has one.
Yeah, so you talked about how Tony Fauci, he doesn't make it 50 years in the industry without holding water for the companies.
Who are some current politicians, senators, or governors that you see out there who are really speaking truth and that are someone to listen to that aren't being – Well, you know, there's only one guy in Congress at this point who is who stood up, and he's a Republican congressman from Florida named Bill Bozzy.
And he is, you know, he is fantastic, and he understands, you know, but he's been completely isolated by his own party, by the Republicans in Congress.
They won't let him near any committees.
And there, you know, there's a senior scientist for CDC, a guy called Bill Thompson, Dr. Bill Thompson, who's at CDC today, and he's been there for 20 years.
In 2014, he came forward and he said, we've been lying to the public about autism.
He's the scientist who is the lead author on virtually every study on autism.
And he said, we've been destroying the evidence, the data, when it shows that children are getting autism from vaccines.
And in fact, on the key study, which is a study published in Pediatrics in 2004, and it's called the DeStefano study, he was one of the five co-authors and their boss, Frank DeStefano, when they found out that black boys who got the MMR vaccine on time had 360% greater chance of getting autism than children who didn't get it on time.
And the five or the four co-authors were ordered by DeStefano to bring all the evidence on black boys into a conference room at CDC and then to destroy the evidence in big garbage cans.
And this scientist came forward.
He tried to commit suicide.
And he came forward, hired an attorney, and he said, I want to be subpoenaed to Congress to talk about what's happening in my agency.
Remember, he's still at CDC.
This is not a disgruntled employee.
This is a guy who sticks to his story.
He was transferred out of that division, the vaccine branch, into another division.
But otherwise, they leave him alone.
And they gave him a $25,000 raise.
You know, they don't want him to leave because when he leaves, he's going to talk.
And Bill Posey, for the last six years, has been trying to subpoena him in front of the committee.
And I talked to Jason Chaffetz, who is the head of the Government Oversight Committee, a Republican from Utah.
He promised to subpoena Thompson, and then he wouldn't do it.
I talked to Trey Gowdy, who replaced him.
He wouldn't do it.
I talked to Darrell Issa, who I think is a congressman from this district.
And Darrell Issa promised to hold hearings and then quit.
I said to him after he quit, I said, I called him and I said, why did you do that?
And he said, because I got calls from the Speaker of the House and the head of our party saying that if I conducted those hearings, not only would I lose my chairmanship, but I would be thrown off the committee.
And so, you know, the pressure they're getting from the, not just the Democratic Party, which is terrible on this issue, but the Republican Party, they've all been bought off.
And that's a sad thing.
Was there ever a chance that Trump was like this alternate piece that could have brought down the whole system?
And, you know, when I first met, because I wanted Trump and Bernie to be on the same ticket.
That's what I wanted.
Because then I thought, why do you just get to pick your vice president?
Why don't you have to...
Why don't you have...
It was a separate election for the election.
Yeah, because then why don't you have a different type of person as your vice president?
Then you have to argue about everything, you know?
Yeah.
It seemed easy to just pick some guy.
Well, that's not how we do it.
But doesn't the president just pick the vice president?
He picks them.
Yeah.
Well, they have to be nominated by the party.
Oh, I see.
Okay.
But anyway, going back to that.
Yeah, I think a lot of people thought that Trump was going to be, okay, there's this huge cyst, this clock that's running, and I'm going to throw this fucking wrench into it and watch it crumble.
Was that ever a possibility?
Yeah, I think it was a possibility for a short time.
But I think what I heard was that after we left, that there were people within the administration, including Hope Hill, Kellyanne Conway, and I think one of their husbands is a pharmaceutical lobbyist.
And Renz Priebus, who just told him you can't do it.
And then they took the money from Pfizer.
And, you know, we were alive for a while.
We were alive from January when he takes the oath of office through March.
And everybody in the agencies was terrified of us.
We were going to the agencies and we were questioning them and making presentations and having meetings with Fauci with Francis Collins.
And then at one point in mid-March, you know, the lobbyists came in, Azar and Gottlieb and all those guys came in, and we got a note from Francis Collins just basically, you know, it was like a big bird, like, you know, we don't have to listen to you anymore.
So stop talking to us.
And then the White House went dark.
Do you feel like with Biden that with the new president?
Well, first of all, do you feel like the election was fair?
Do you feel like they will have any, what do you feel like the outcome will be from that?
Do you feel like it's fair?
Listen, they'll go through the judicial process.
My feeling is that the courts are going to uphold the election.
I don't think, you know, I don't have any doubt about that.
In terms of Biden's, you know, Biden has made a lot of statements that are very disheartening about, you know, mandating masks, you know, really coming down hard on the lockdown, really, you know, it's become part of the weirdly of the liberal ideology of just, you know, getting rid of civil rights and, you know, religious exemptions.
So all the rights in the First Amendment, the censorship, they're supporting the, you know, the religious independence.
They're supporting the end of jury trials, which is, you know, were abolished for vaccines and public assemblies and right to petition politicians and all of these things that have been part of the liberal tradition in Western democracy,
but particularly in the United States, the liberals, the traditional liberals in my party have just walked away from them in the weirdest, surmost surrealistic way.
Now, is there any, do I have any hopes for Biden?
Biden has appointed to his COVID committee a number of hacks who are just part of Auchi's network.
But he also brought in David Kessler, who used to be the attorney general, I mean the surgeon general.
And David Kessler is the one person that I think gives me hope because he is an independent thinker.
He's an enemy of pharma.
He understands that, you know, that there's a problem with the vaccines.
And so I think, you know, for those people in this audience who want to encourage that, that, you know, he's a guy that people should write letters to and should, you know, should contact and say, express, all of us need to express hope in Kessler that a lot of people are hoping that he will break with the orthodoxy that I think is taking us down this dark road in our country.
It's getting dark, man.
Here's a beautiful young fellow right here who has something to ask you.
What up, Theo?
What up, Mr. Kennedy?
That feels so cool to say.
Matt from North Carolina here, just sitting here at work like an American.
Shout out to Theo for that hitter.
Appreciate it.
Oh, yeah, nice merch, man.
That's a beautiful one.
So my question for Robert, personally, I'm a huge advocate and fan of JFK.
I'm sure he was probably the coolest uncle ever.
But my question is a little bit personal.
Like, what are the last moments or memories or maybe your favorite moments and memories that you had of Uncle Johnny?
Appreciate you taking the time for my question.
Much respect.
Gang, gang.
You know, I'm sure you always get a question about your uncle, huh?
You know, listen, I have many, many great memories of my uncle.
I mean, I think probably one of my...
Did y'all eat what?
Clam chowder.
Did you really?
Of course.
We did eat a lot of clam chowder.
That's bad, man.
That's nice.
But, you know, Boston beans, but clam chowder.
Hot dogs, you think?
Hot dogs.
Were hot dogs popular when you were a kid?
Yeah.
Of course.
Hot dogs, hamburgers.
When I was, I think, eight or nine years old, I wrote a letter to my uncle that I still have asking him because I was worried about the environment, about pollution.
And I wrote him a letter saying that I wanted to talk to him about it.
And he had me come into the Oval Office.
And I spent a morning with him.
I brought him the night before I caught a salamander, a big spotted salamander that come out in the spring to force.
You know what they are, right?
Oh, yeah, I know what they are, yeah.
Like a land snake.
So, and I brought him one of those.
And my home had just switched from well-water to municipal water.
Were you upset about that?
I was because the chlorine killed the salamander.
But I was in denial about him being dead.
And I brought him in a vase and gave him to my uncle.
And he was poking him with a pen.
I have these pictures and saying, you know, I don't think he looks well.
And I was saying, no, he's just sleeping.
He's okay.
And then he took me out and we released him in the Rose Garden Fountain.
But he arranged ultimately for me to meet with Rachel Carson, who came to our home in Ianisford, I mean, in Virginia at Icri Hill, and had dinner at our house, and also with Stuart Udall, who was the Secretary of the Interior.
And so that was pretty cool.
But, you know, he came to our house.
He rode.
We rode every morning on horses.
My dad would take us riding every morning, and my uncle sometimes would come.
I went to the hearings when they had the mafia, when they had Sam Giancana, Jimmy Hoffa, All the big mafios.
My dad, this is before the White House when he was still in the Senate.
And I went, attended those hearings when I was a little kid.
And, you know, we'll look at all these gangsters and he sat in the front row.
And then, you know, so our family was a very, very close family.
And they landed with the helicopters every week.
And he would, after he landed, he would go up and he would kiss my grandpa and they would talk.
And my grandpa had had a stroke by then.
And he would talk to my grandpa and tell him what happened that week.
Then he would come down from the porch and he, we would all pile into a golf cart that was a souped up golf cart with 20 kids on it.
And he would give us a ride around the compound at very fast speeds.
And so, yeah, it was a typical uncle behavior, huh?
Yeah.
It was a really, it was a magical.
God, it sounds like it.
We used to ride behind the mosquito truck and get that free gas come off of it.
You know when they sprayed from mosquitoes?
Yeah, the DD tank.
Oh, dude.
Nose up, bro.
We would just literally be just biking until we couldn't even take anymore.
I mean, I didn't see a mosquito from six.
We would have war games behind them because it was, you know, that fog that stayed on the hugged the ground.
It was good.
And we thought it was good for us back then.
We sure did.
It was a different time.
Battling the environment on the outside of us and on the inside of us.
Bobby, thanks for coming in today.
I really appreciate it.
Thank you for having me.
Yeah, anything else, Nick?
Any other questions?
Yeah, thank you so much, man.
Appreciate it.
Good to see you, man.
Yeah, you too.
Always a pleasure, man.
You're always welcome back.
Now, I'm just folding on the breeze, and I feel I'm falling like these leaves.
I must be cornerstone.
Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this peace of mind.
I found I can feel it in my bones.
But it's gonna take a little time for me to set that parking break and let myself hold myself until you tell you.
I know me And I will Find a song I will sing it Just for you And I I've been moving way too fast on the runaway train with a heavy load of past.
And these wheels that I've been riding on, they're walls so thin that they're damn near gone.
I guess now they just weren't built to lay.
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