The Real Wolf of Wall Street Jordan Belfort | This Past Weekend #210
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Today's guest is the author of The Wolf of Wall Street.
I guess that's an autobiography.
He is notorious, I think is a good word to describe him.
He also is the host of the Wolfs Dan podcast.
It is The Wolf of Wall Street, Mr. Jordan Belfort.
I can let myself unwind.
Shine that light on me.
I'll sit and tell you my stories.
Shine on me.
What's the largest or most like the largest woman you think you ever made love to?
It's not even how large it looks.
Oh, when I was high, I made love to a 240-pound woman with fucking beard, probably.
When I'm on Coke, I'll fuck anything or eat anything.
The uglier the better.
But when I'm normally sane, okay, it's not even how fat they are.
It's the size of their ankles.
Oh, really?
If they have thick ankles, I couldn't get, there's no Viagra in the world that could do the trick.
Now, is it intimidation, you think?
Because my penis, like the girth of kind of my penis won't be able to compete with that.
No, no, it's not that.
Or should I say that it might be that like four levels down.
Right.
But there's just something about the look of it that I don't know.
It just fucking scares me.
It's like, I feel like I'm, I don't know, I'm trying to sleep with the abominable snowman thing.
I don't know what it is.
Does it feel like an impossible feat, maybe?
I don't know.
It just feels like they're just like, it's like, I'm like, dude, sorry, dude.
Fucking with the guy.
And I'm not even saying I'm right about it.
Like, no, I'm not saying you're right.
There's a guy down the road who loves that.
It's just a personal preference, you know?
Oh, some guys get more into like, yeah, some of them.
Bigger girls, you know, tougher girls.
I like Finn.
I like the Finn model type.
Whatever.
It's all about, you know, I guess back in the 1800s, used to like the heavier girls were more invocated.
That means they were fed better.
They were better bred.
So forth.
The Rubin-esque.
Yeah, I remember when I was young, I'd go to the library and instead of, this is before I got any good pornography, you know.
Are we on the podcast yet?
Because this is a podcast.
Yeah.
Were we live?
Yeah, we're live.
Oh, this is, dude, this is great.
This is fucking fabulous.
This is the real us, right?
Oh, yeah.
Like I said, I'm nothing to fucking hide.
I'll say anything.
I'm glad that this is.
Shit, we're missing all this stuff.
Listen, I think the problem nowadays is that people are scared, to be honest.
And that fucking drives me crazy.
Yeah.
And I'm being honest.
When I said that about girls with, like, I'm not saying I'm right.
I'm not saying they're less beautiful.
I'm saying to me, everyone has their type.
That's my, for whatever reason, life dropped on my head as a kid, or who knows what happened.
Maybe I couldn't get it up once with a girl like that and it deep wounded me forever.
Or maybe I just don't like girls with fat, big ankles.
But that's the defining feature for me.
Oh, it's interesting.
Yeah.
You know, it's funny.
I don't know if I ever thought about like, do I have a, like, what is like a defining feature?
Do you have a, do you have a do not cross line for you with a girl?
Or a guy?
I don't, I don't judge men, dude.
Yeah, no, I've never been in any kind of sex with a man or anything like that, dude.
One time me and this guy was doing a little bit of Coke, but thankfully I had to go to the airport, you know, because I thought things might have got a little wild.
Listen, I think if you're gay, I think you have a maid.
I think it's great.
I'm really social.
I'm liberal like that, but I just think it's great because I love guys.
I get along much better with guys.
I just don't want to fuck them.
It's like a gift if I did.
It would be, just play around on tennis and let's go fuck them.
It'd be amazing.
It'd be crazy.
But I just don't like that.
But I think it's awesome.
Oh, yeah.
I think if guys, I mean, I've thought about that.
Like, what if, yeah, you and your buddy are like just, you know, playing a game of hoops and then, you know.
Black Mirror.
Do you all watch Black Mirror on Netflix?
I haven't seen the new season.
Okay, there just came out, right?
And there's an episode about these two guys, two black dudes, right?
And they're best friends.
And one guy gives his friend like a present for his birthday.
And it's just like, you know, next, next, next generation artificial reality where you put a little thing on your head and you're actually in the game.
And it's like one of these old karate games they used to play when they were like, you know, in their 20s, right?
And then, you know, you know, with a kicking and punching, right?
Except now you're actually in the game, and his best friend plays, and it's the guy who plays Red Wing from Iron Man, from the Avengers.
It's him.
He's one of the actors who plays Robert Downey.
No, no, Morgan Freeman?
No, who plays Red Wing, the guy with the wings who flies around.
Oh, like a great actor, amazing actor.
Not Don Cheadle, who plays.
Denzel Washington?
No, no, no, no.
It's the name.
Fuck.
Not Swaggy P. He's not a basketball player, is he?
No, no, no, no.
The guy who plays Red Wing in the Avengers.
Not the...
Anthony Mackey?
Yeah.
He was in the movie about the plane crash with the football team.
So he's in this with another guy, another great actor in this Blackberry episode.
And what happens is his friend plays in the game.
He's a girl, like a hot kung fu expert.
Okay.
And he's young, like in their 20s.
And he thinks that his friend gives him the gift.
They think they're going to start fighting.
And they start fucking.
His friend just goes and kisses fucking.
And they fall in love inside the video game.
And with their men on the outside that aren't in love, and on the inside, they're man and woman that aren't in love.
And then the guy, it starts to fuck up because he's happily married with a kid.
And that's fucking up his sex life because he falls in love in the game with this artificial girl.
So he cuts it off.
And his friend is devastated, this whole fucking thing.
And then whatever, they separate because he can't deal with it, right?
Because his wife thinks he's having an affair.
Yeah.
And then finally, he separates after the whole thing.
And finally, six months later, they get back together.
And he has a big fight with the guy.
And his wife's like, what?
What's going on?
What's going on?
And he finally comes clean with his wife.
And then the Black Mirror thing ends with his wife going out on a date with some other guy in a bar and him, but it's agreed and he's having sex with her.
Like they have one week a month.
They get to fucking have their little dallions.
Be out and about.
There you go.
Do you think the UFC would be cool if after somebody beat somebody, they had to insert themselves into it?
I don't think so.
I think it would be pretty tough if it was a forcible insertion because I think they call that rape.
But I think it was a green apartment.
I think it'll be a different type of sport, you know?
You think you'd have different types of sports party?
You are a sick fuck, by the way.
Look, I'm worried about you because you're Michael.
I wish I would have thought of that myself.
I'm fucking envious in some levels.
That's what I'm saying.
You don't bring shit up another level here.
Bro, you bring your sick fuck to a sick fuck fight.
You know what I'm saying, dude?
You just put a gun to a fucking sword fight.
Motherfucker.
Oh, bro.
If I'm talking to you, I'm bringing a red penis to a butthole fight.
You feel me?
It's like, I didn't really mean it.
It was another fucking different guy acting.
Keep going.
I don't know.
Do you think that it would be a different type of sport?
What's the next level of sport that you think you see?
Do you?
Well, I think Hunger is in society.
Oh, Greerly in society.
Yeah.
Good question.
The next level up from UFC?
You know, here's the thing.
On some level, I loved the first UFC when there was no rules, no weight classes, nothing barred except basically.
I think you do almost anything but gouge someone's eyes out.
They'd be dark on that or tickle, right?
One or the other, right?
I don't know which one is worse if you're ticklish, but that would be, to me, that was pretty fucking cool.
But people, they were, they were saying it was like combat, that was gladiates, that they made it illegal.
So it was very smart on the part of the UFC to sort of sanitize the sport by putting weight classes on and certain rules and guidelines to make it not a fucking free-for-all.
But I kind of liked the free-for-all.
The problem was, was that it turned out that Brazilian jiu-jitsu just trumped everything.
So if you went into the ring knowing Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, you just fucking choke a guy out.
Yeah, you know, yeah, so that was the problem.
So they eventually had to have some differentiators.
Well, only that, but also people skilled up.
In other words, it happened was people came in like, I'm a great boxer.
I'm a great, like, taekwondo guy.
It didn't matter if you knew jiu-jitsu, you just fucking you submission hold someone, right?
Right.
But once, but then you could not become maybe quite as good as the next guy, but good enough to defend against it.
And if you were great at boxing, you didn't need these people get knocked out with boxing.
So that became, you know, something was more than the weight classes that changed and made it more interesting.
It was like sort of the idea that you could defend against jiu-jitsu if you had a basic level of proficiency.
Right.
Did you ever, did you ever take any like boxing or martial arts?
Were you ever in the middle?
I did, but not so.
I did.
Yeah, I did as a kid, but it wasn't called that.
I wrestled in college.
Okay.
I took some karate, never got past like a yellow belt or something.
But I wrestled pretty seriously.
Okay.
Did you, whenever you went to prison, did you feel like, when you were going in there, did you have a thought in your head like, shit, I wish I knew a little more self-defense?
Nah, no, because what happened was with jail, prison.
Sorry, jail.
No one's both.
No, no, no.
The jail is referred to like as a short-term local and prisons, like when you go off where I went, it was actually to prison, right?
So where you actually go with federal and it's longer, it's right.
So I was a sleepaway camp.
Yeah, well, it depends.
I was lucky, right?
And I went to a place that had no violence or anything.
So it depends on how many, it's a point system, right?
I was a first-time offender with zero, almost like as low points as you can get.
So there was no chance I was going somewhere where there would be physical violence.
And there was never physical violence.
So I knew that going in.
Wow.
So did you think, like, what was your biggest, looking back on jail, what's something that you probably missed the most, do you think?
Being in jail?
Um...
I have one thing that I listen.
Tommy Chong was my bunkmate.
Yeah.
He's actually coming on my podcast tomorrow.
Oh, really?
That's awesome.
I used to see him at the gym sometimes.
We used to have the same trainer.
He's an amazing guy.
He's a great guy.
I love him.
But I think maybe there's only one thing about jail that it was not that it was great.
It was the fact that I had nowhere to go but up.
In other words, I was at a point.
It was an absolute bottom, a low.
And there's some power in a low if you know you're the sort of person that is going to come back from that.
So far worse is the time before jail when you're waiting to go and you can't restart your life.
So it was like being there was almost this cleansing period of your spirit, your soul, not so much your body, but I guess your body, I worked out like a maniac and got in amazing shape.
Prison jacked or prison big.
Oh my God.
I was, well, not You ripped, just fucking ripped, you know?
And I taught myself to write when I was in prison, so I made the most out of my time.
But I think I missed that feeling of like, you know, I was so anxious to come out, like, you're looking forward to what that is.
Yeah, you're ready to get started.
It's like a kind of like a horse in the gate.
Yeah.
Do you feel like while you're in there that, like, does it feel like you can't, do you feel like you have apologies to make?
Do you feel like you, or do you kind of do all that stuff before you go away to prison?
Apologies to the people that you love or people you don't know, which one?
Anybody, like, yeah, like if there's any like, you know.
Oh, I had a long time to prepare.
It wasn't like that.
Yeah, I had years to prepare.
Although you're never going to be fully prepared.
But of course, when I was there, I mean, you know, I think there's two things can happen in prison.
So you could go into prison and make it a gladiator school.
You come out even a bigger criminal because you, hey, okay, well, this is what I am.
I'm an associate with all this.
Or you can use it as I did as a period to learn and grow and get stronger, emotionally stronger, physically stronger through just all the exercising.
But really, I came out a far stronger person in terms of emotionally and also skill sets.
I taught myself an incredibly valuable skill, which was to write.
And that served for everything that came after it.
And so do you feel like, because I mean, obviously, would you consider yourself like one of the most notorious salesmen?
Well, not really, no, I wouldn't.
No, I wouldn't.
I think before 2008, I would say yes.
But once, you know, everyone realized what was really going on on Wall Street, I started to say, well, you know, okay, well, I'm not going to, I wouldn't say that there's no, there's no one, it doesn't make what I did less bad, but I didn't bankrupt Iceland or Greenland or Greece.
Right.
And I did not do what Bernie Madoff did.
And I do think there are levels of apps, nothing is black and white.
So while what I did was wrong for sure, and I don't try to minimize that, it paled into comparison is what happened in the global financial crisis with things like Lehman Brothers and Goldman Sachs, where they literally bankrupted the world economy almost.
Were you envious at all of those people?
Like a little bit?
You know, no, that wasn't.
I would have been envious 10 years earlier, but at that point, I had completely changed my value system.
And I felt more like, you see, not that I'm not a bad guy.
I wasn't a bad guy back then, but I always said this.
It wasn't like a sea.
I knew this was going to happen for years and years.
I knew what was going on.
And I wrote about it in my book in 2006 or something or seven, right?
I wrote about it much before that.
But it wasn't like it just, to me, it was more about like, you know what?
And there you have it.
And even then, it wasn't like most of Wall Street was bad.
Wall Street's a weird place.
You know, things get magnified.
One little thing that wouldn't have much impact on the outside world is a massive impact on Wall Street.
Is Wall Street even a place where people like, can the mom and pop person, somebody sitting at home, like a regular guy, is there still any real opportunity for people like that in the stock market?
100% there is.
Very simple.
Take your money and put it in a fixed fund that you just invest in the S ⁇ P and don't buy it or sell it.
It's an electronically traded fund where there's no buying or selling, no commissions.
They're just matching the S ⁇ P. That's where Warren Buffett puts his money.
So that's where I put mine.
That's where I recommend you put yours.
Do you ever long for the days of like, I mean, you know, you watch Wolf of Wall Street, right?
And so do you ever long for some of those, like, is there anything you miss the most about that?
It seemed like there was such a sense of camaraderie even in some of those sales rooms.
Yeah, I mean, I have that now again.
And it's a thousand times better.
The mistake that I made is, you know, before you linked up, I didn't really dive in.
You linked up sales and being evil, and they're just complete unrelated elements.
In other words, I'm one of the greatest salesmen ever in history.
And I created a sales system, a way of training salesperson that allowed that insanity to happen.
But that was neither good nor bad.
It's like a powerful weapon.
You either could use it for good, or it could be a mother in her house, and five rapists come in to kill her and her kids.
That gun's a really great thing being used very justly.
So you could use, or you could use it from a bell tower and knock out innocent civilians on the ground, right?
Any powerful weapon or any powerful instrument can be an instrument for good or evil.
There's no absolute.
So sales is exactly like that.
If you're a great salesperson using sales and persuasion ethically, then you're getting people who need things and have certain lacks in their life.
You're helping them fill those needs elegantly so they can live a better life.
Right, so you were a powerful weapon for sales.
I was.
And when I was in my 20s, I didn't use that ethically always.
And now I would never do anything but everything about my life is about ethics, which is why now I have that, and it feels a million times better.
So you get to know.
Because there's some actual inner rewards.
That was my mistake.
It was an error of not judgment, just it was something I had it wrong.
And that's my definition of success back in my 20s was about how much money can I make every single day.
Of course, some of that's natural.
Yeah, and then I learned from, and I learned the hard way.
Many people don't have to learn quite as hard a way as I do, but I learned the hard way.
That's not the truth.
Now I have a much healthier outlook on it.
So I use the gifts I had in the system I created for the exact opposite reasons, which are for reasons of good.
Do you feel like your ability to be a great salesperson or the ability to articulate, to lead, to control?
I don't want to say to deceive, but to influence.
To influence, yeah.
Do you feel like that those are like you were born with those things?
Yes.
Or do you feel like those are things that you learned?
Yes.
They're both yes to both.
So I was born in the same way that Michael Jordan or LeBron James in their universe is what they do better than anywhere in the world.
I was born with a inner, you know, the skill given from God or nature, whichever one you believe, right?
And then through years of practice and repetition, I honed that to near perfection.
So I think, and I think that's true of everyone.
We're all born with certain skills and either we can develop them or not.
The good news is with selling is that you can learn, you can become good enough At it, so it never holds you back in your life.
I'm not saying I could turn you into me, but I can certainly take someone who is having problems where they communicate.
Let's not even use sales, let's just say communication, their ability to make their thoughts, their ideas, their hopes, their dreams known to other people in a way that lets them say, I get it, I want to be part of it.
If you lack that one skill, it's really hard to succeed in life because you're almost like a one-person army.
So you have all these amazing people out in the world that have these great ideas.
They could have these amazingly bright, brilliant, high-level lives, but they live a small life and a far less expansive life than they could because they lack this ability and they know it.
And their brain says, you know, I don't really want to put myself out there because I don't feel comfortable.
So I probably won't even succeed anyway.
So they downregulate their life.
They lower their own personal standards and they live a life that's not really as great as it could be.
And I think that's the beauty of what I do is the system I created really helps me.
I mean, it really helps people.
Did you see somebody when you were young in your life that had that or something that made you think like, you know, in hindsight, like looking back, like, oh, that's not what I want.
Or they're cornered by this affliction of their inability to like own their own potential or to.
Of course, my parents.
They had that?
Yes.
In space.
My parents.
So my parents, I grew up in a lower middle class.
Parents were brilliant, hardworking, educated, employed, and broke.
And I was like, what the fuck?
I'm like, what's missing from this?
I don't get it.
Was my mother there?
I said, how can people be so smart, so hardworking, so industrious, so loyal, so educated, and have no money?
And the answer is, A, they were risk-averse, completely risk-averse, depressionary mentality.
And second, they thought that selling was evil.
They thought that it was inherently evil.
And because that's your belief, then you will shy away from anything that makes you, you know, we've even put you in that box of being deemed as a salesperson.
So because they were both CPAs, they never tried to sell their skills to other people.
They worked for other people.
They were cogs in a wheel.
Fortunately, I made my dad very wealthy.
He worked for me.
And then things ended up well for them.
But if it wasn't, they would have never lived the lives they were really in terms of, you know, and by the way, yeah, and lived the lives because without money, life's fucking hard to live.
Especially when you're older.
I mean, you know, Social Security is enough to pay for your diapers when you're really old.
You know what I'm saying?
So they were able to, you know, put away a lot of money and be okay.
Did they change?
You think like their mentality and stuff changed as they saw you start to make more money?
Do you think it adjusted?
Absolutely not.
Right.
No.
Do you think it adjusted their worldview or something?
No, no.
To this very day, they're still alive.
My dad's 88 years old.
My mom's 86. And they still live in the same two-bedroom apartment, which they rent for 60 fucking years.
They have the same telephone number, the same mailbox, the same fucking parking spot, the same mural on the wall.
I just saw it in Mad Men reruns.
Okay.
It's like unfucking believable.
And they have a lot of money and they re-upol.
It's clean as a whistle.
It's re-upholstered.
It's nice.
It's like the fucking Wonder Years.
I'm going back.
Is that the guy from the Wonder Years?
But you know, that's my parents.
And I love them.
They're beautiful, amazing people.
But that's their belief system creates that sort of outcome for them.
Did they like Wolf Wall Street when it came out?
They loved it.
They did.
My dad just died because obviously he became, you know, prepared.
Listen, he ain't lived until he'd been in the fucking Scorsese movie, right?
So my dad, you know, was portrayed very vividly.
My mother, not so much because she wasn't involved in the business.
And he was just like that, though.
He was like a force of nature, my dad.
People were terrified of him, which is great to me.
Do you miss that time in your 20s?
Like, do you miss like, I mean, obviously we all miss like the youth of it and stuff.
But is there anything about the debauchery it seemed like you could have back then?
Even just in the times it was.
Now we can't even have that much fun.
Yeah, yeah.
So, I mean, yeah, no doubt about it, right?
It seems like you guys could probably kill somebody.
Almost, you know, hang them out of window.
Just don't drop them.
Or if you drop them, you had to pay some damages, you know?
Yeah.
Different world.
Different rules.
And in some ways, it's a lot better.
In some ways, it's a lot worse, right?
My assistant back then, her real name was Mona.
We still keep in touch.
About a year ago, I was doing an event in New York and Mona came just to, you know, for old time's sake.
And we had this high-end dinner, some high-end, just like, yo, people are paying for tickets, right?
And she sat there during the dinner and she like says, you know, guys, I want to just tell you this whole Me Too stuff.
She goes, you girls don't know what you're missing.
We had so much fun.
There wouldn't be one girl at work because it was never, see, there's a difference in sexual harassment and sexual promiscuity.
There was, if you were harassed, you'd be fucking, you would know, no one was getting harassed in my, I'd fucking throw him out.
My father would probably shoot him.
Okay.
It was none of that going on.
If someone was harassed, the guys would beat it.
It wasn't like it was respect.
But everyone was fucking everyone under the desks in the coke closets.
It was fucking insanity.
It was just wild shit.
Coco's in the, in the fucking basement.
I'm not even kidding.
No, it's fine.
I love it.
It was real.
And they all loved it.
But if you didn't want to partake, you were not pressured or bothered.
That was like the healthy version of that.
I don't think the casting couch was, it wasn't like you'd go to Stratton and say, I don't want to spread my legs.
So, oh, sorry, well, you can't, or you're going to be a lower level.
No, it didn't fucking matter.
Either you did it because you wanted it or you're not.
We loved you either way.
It wasn't part.
It was more enough to partake.
It was just part of your personality.
And it was good to have both types of people there, but no one judged.
It was just a why, it was a fucking circus, right?
That's very different than a woman who's going to Hollywood back in the 90s and has to fuck some fat motherfucker or else she can't get.
That's fucked up.
And that had to stop, and I'm glad it has stopped.
The problem is, is there's lots of gray in between those two places.
And what happens with any movement, not just this, whether it's communism in the late 50s, like the Reds, it's always, it polarizes to one place until it eventually normalizes.
So my hope is, is that it settles back to a level that has all the things that it should have been, the Me Too movement, and not the idiocy and insanity that it so often projects out to the world when 99% of people in the movement would not want that.
They would like it to be just and fair in the middle.
You know what I'm saying?
That people have their voice, that the people that fuck up should be held accountable.
But innocent people shouldn't suffer.
And also what you did 38 years ago between two people, I have a tough time of that unless there's proof.
But that's just me.
Do you still have people that reach out from the past?
They feel like you owe them money or you owe them debts or nothing like that?
Nothing.
No.
Never.
Do you ever feel like, do you ever feel like a sense of remorse or anything like that still?
Or do you ever feel like karma has some weird plan for you or something like that?
This is the plan.
Yeah.
Karma is a big plan.
But this is the plan.
This is the plan.
And it's a good plan.
It's a just plan.
And I think that, listen, you know, there's a lot of people who did worse things than me.
And I did a lot worse things than other people.
I think on some level, I just had an ability to write about them really well.
And it struck a chord in people in Hollywood.
And I'm not trying to minimize that.
My life was insane.
It was insane, but we all know that there are lots of crazy people out there.
I think part of it was that the thing about my life that I think really, when you get down to it, why it became a cult at the movie, A, because Scorsese is amazing.
Right.
Because he just is.
He just is amazing.
And somehow, who knows what the fuck he does, somehow he has a way of doing things that just no one else could do what he does in his domain, right?
Yeah, he's got big butches.
He's got Leonardo DiCaprio.
Not even that.
I think it's beyond that.
No, it doesn't hurt.
I think it's beyond that.
He has a talent that's how many, how long he's going to be.
It's just a talent he has for telling a story in a certain way where other people could not do it as well.
So that was lucky on my part.
I chose Leo.
That was my choice.
And that's pretty obvious.
Why not?
Because Leo's fucking Leo.
He's great, right?
And, you know, as I always say, it's better than Danny DeVito, no disrespect.
I love Danny too, but, you know.
Different.
Danny would have been a different deal.
You'd have a stroke in the first two minutes.
But the truth is, is that, you know, in terms of what happened is that I made all these disempowered kids into superstars.
And that's what connects with people all over the world.
The reason young people love the movie, it's not just of the insanity or this or that.
It's that people came in that had no real chance for success, didn't believe they were successful.
And you turned them around.
And they just, and it was a place where you would go and transform into this person of power and live out your dreams.
And that's fucking.
Did you ever help out a guy that ended up being like a gay guy and he tried to give you a BJ to like show you how much he cared?
Like that kind of thing?
'cause that seemed like something that could happen.
Do you know, you know It seemed like if you empowered somebody so much, I don't know whether to be insulted or not.
I have never, ever been approached by a gay person to have to.
I'm a little bit offended by that.
Yeah.
Because I was walking through the airport the other day and no one ever tried to have, like, I was like, am I not good looking up or something?
No, sir.
I'm not even fucking around.
I don't know why.
I don't give off.
I guess I don't give off that vibe.
And I think they know.
And I don't think.
Yeah, susceptible is a vibe.
I think also like a gay man would go for another gay man or they would go for a straight man.
They call it gay dar.
They call that in gay dar, right?
Yeah.
I guess I don't give off the right vibe.
Or maybe I'm just not good looking enough.
I feel bad about that a little bit.
But, you know, I guess it's good because I'm not gay.
Yeah.
Although I wish I was, but it's fucking awesome.
Yeah.
Do you think gay guys have more fun than straight guys?
I think they do.
Overall.
I think so.
Yeah.
It could be a stereotype that it's built in, but I think that on someone's logical, I think guys are just fucking hornier.
So then two guys would probably be hornier than a guy.
It just makes sense that it would be.
But who knows?
What was the reason for Stratton Oakmont?
What was the reason for the name?
Nothing sexy.
I just bought a company.
It was called Stratton Securities.
And then that company had an old lawsuit against that could have come back.
So I had to change the corporate entity.
I found another company called Oakmont.
I merged the two together.
I bought it and then became Stratton Oakmont.
That was just how happened.
Has there been like, because it has like, because after that, I feel like people started to take like, okay, it has to have this many syllables to be successful.
I mean, they broke down every single thing that you did.
Of course.
And by the way, don't think for a second that when I was, I could have, I could have changed the name of Stratton to XYZ Securities.
I was like, well, this is convenient.
It's a great fucking name.
Because you would want a name that instills confidence and so forth, right?
But that was just the luck of the draw.
But I would have changed it for sure.
I was keenly aware that when I merged Stratton Securities into Oakmont, that Stratton Oakmont sounded better than Stratton Securities.
But it was just luck that it happened.
But you could change, you can pick any name you want.
You just form a corporation or change a corporate name to it, do a DBA even, doing business as, and you could change it.
You could use any name.
That's not trademarked.
Right.
Are there a lot of like, you feel like shady business people that reach out to you to try to get insight or try to get information?
No doubt about that.
Are you able to detect that these days?
My wife's the best at that.
Oh, really?
She's unfucking believable.
She's got like a 12th century.
She's like, she's beyond the 6th century.
She's really good.
Oh, yeah.
She's a watch dog.
She's my best friend.
Watches be sensitive.
She's my partner, and she has this radar she shoots out, and she knows I'm very careful.
I can tell pretty quickly what someone's at.
And I'm, listen, and I'm a bit of a sucker myself because I like to believe in stuff, and I'm open to being sold to.
I'm an easy person to sell to, but if someone's like...
Yeah, if someone's not legitimate, I can tell pretty quickly.
And would you still work for some of those types of people?
Or if a company reached out to you and you felt like it was extremely unethical?
Never.
You'd say, look, I haven't.
I've walked away many times.
Even if the money's good?
I've walked away from $100,000 a day.
Wow.
Many times.
And are there companies out there or businesses out there that susceptible or gullible people, even like myself, like you just said, for some reason, even though sometimes I feel like I'm smart, I also feel like I'm gullible?
They're different things.
So it could be both, you're saying.
Of course.
So one has to do with, you know, one has to do with your intelligence and your experience, and the other is your decision-making strategy.
So there's certain people, you know, how you make, you don't realize it, but we all make decisions based on these parallel movies.
We say, if I take action, what's my best possible outcome?
What's my biggest pain?
If I'm right, this happens.
If I'm wrong, you get it.
If this guy tries to sell me this shit, if he's telling the truth, what's my best outcome?
And if he's full of shit, what's the worst that could happen?
That's how human beings make decisions.
and what happens with people like myself, who are easy to sell to, and you seem to be the same way, the movie I run on the positive side is really long and robust.
I'll be like, oh, this looks great.
If he's right, this will be there.
I'll be on the 18th hole of Augusta victory from the stupid golf contraption I bought, right?
And my negative downside, I'll run it, but well, I'll lose $40, no big deal.
I blunt the negative movie, and I run out the positive.
It's called Future Pacing.
My dad, who's the fucking hardest person in the world to sell, he would run the same two movies, but he'll run the really short positive movie.
He'll be like, oh, yeah, maybe it'll work, but fuck it.
Oh, but I give the guy Floyd, he'll steal my fucking credit card information.
I'll fuck it up.
I'll see him get worse.
When I put the fucking thing, it'll break.
People think I'm in it.
And they run out this, before he's done, this $149 purchase has him living in a box on the fucking street, and he'll never recover.
Wow.
That's why we have different, some, and those ladders are called high action threshold people, meaning that the level of certainty that they need to be at about something before they, I'm really certain that I'm right about this decision.
They have to get a very high level of certainty versus someone like me or you.
I could be just like, man, it sounds good.
I'll buy it.
Yeah.
That's why.
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Do you feel like are there products out there or things you've gotten involved in that are there products out there right now or things that are being sold out there right now that would be the number one things that you would tell people to stay away from?
Oh yeah, of course.
Yeah.
Like Bitcoin and fucking cryptocurrencies.
Yeah, that's my opinion at least.
To you as a salesperson, that seems like a fucking racket.
Yeah, yes.
Yeah, because I don't think block, not blockchain technology.
Right.
The inflationary aspects of cryptocurrency are a joke to me.
It just makes no sense.
It serves no purpose.
And I said that at 20,000, you know, and I still say it now.
And I'll, you know, listen, you know, that's just my opinion.
And that's not the only thing.
There's many things out there.
The world is full.
There's people out there who sell sales training programs who are so terrible.
Like they're terrible salespeople.
Their stuff makes no sense.
It's idiotic.
And you know what?
They market their way to success.
So they, yeah, they're really good marketers, but they don't know the first fucking thing about sales training or selling.
They're very different things, marketing and selling, right?
So are we in more of a period now where sales is stronger or marketing is stronger overall?
You feel like both are always required, but we live in an area where, and in a time right now, where you could sell through curated video.
In other words, you can carefully manage what you put out to the world by a person could sit in front of a camera and do 25 takes in front of a camera to get his tonality and his message just right and follow a script, put that person in a real world sale, they'd fall apart in two seconds, right?
So you find some unscrupulous people out there who use videos to sell products and other shit when if it was being sold without that, okay?
But the good news is those people I believe it's not sustainable and that people will eventually adapt and figure out sooner or later, right?
But also the same token, you can also do that.
The same thing I just said can be used for good.
You can do the same thing.
You can be terrible at persuasion and learn how to do that and sell things and make a lot of money and help people too.
Yeah.
What are products like if people ring your phone, then you'd be like, oh, these are things.
This is not something you should probably see.
Any donation to charity.
Okay.
Any single donation to charity.
I'm talking like, I never want to say any.
99.999%, right?
Fire cats.
Somebody's like, oh, these cats have been in fires.
And they're like, I'll tell you the scam.
Money's going to charity.
5%.
95% is going in the pocket of the people who have created people with telebox.
That's number one.
Any type of thing that has to do with medication on the phone, okay?
It's being made in China.
It sucks.
And they'll never fucking stop calling you once they get your number until you change it.
So those things I would never certainly do.
You know, listen, I'm a big believer that if you get that feeling in your gut that something seems off, you're probably fucking right.
Right.
Yeah, I get noticed as long as even if I'm leaving a place and I feel like I forget something sometimes, I'm like, every time I don't check, I'm always right.
I get some like, fuck, I forgot something.
There's a lot of stuff out there that you got to be careful.
And it's good to understand what causes you to make certain decisions.
And once you know, you could almost, it empowers you to make better decisions.
Is it tough to navigate, since you like have such a, you know, a long time of like doing business and business acumen and sales acumen, is it tough to like emotionally when you get into like relationships and stuff, is it tough to separate how you navigate those two things?
That's a really good question.
So my second wife, different wives may want to go, she used to say to me, you know, of all the reasons I hate you, and I hate you for so many fucking reasons, the one reason I hate you more than all, Trump's more, was that when we would argue and when we'd have disagree, you were just so fucking persuasive.
I say, okay, I guess.
And I was actually turns out I was right, but you were so fucking good at persuading, I just always gave in.
It turns out I was right because that just drove me fucking crazy.
And I always say when I teach the system, I teach this called the straight line.
I say, don't straight line your fucking wife.
You know what I'm saying?
Because it doesn't always lead to a happy ending.
Just because you can just persuade someone, don't always do it.
Do you feel like your first wife or your second, like you're on your third wife now?
Your third marriage?
Sorry, not on your third wife, but I'm hoping I'm on her as much as possible.
I know, huh?
Because I love her and she's beautiful.
Do you miss your first wife ever?
My first wife was an angel.
She was?
She was an angel.
She was an angel.
And you probably went into that making.
Was it different you making those decisions?
Like, were you more like...
And, you know, I just, I loved her to death.
She was gorgeous.
Far more, I mean, much more.
And the girl was actually pretty in the movie, but she was down.
They made her look not as pretty.
But she was a beautiful girl, sexy, not tremendously intelligent.
Like, that wasn't her thing.
You know, she was a hairdresser, but she was really nice, a good heart.
And I fucked her.
I just fucked her over.
I really did.
I did.
I went through a timeout.
I don't think any woman at that moment in my life would have been enough because I wasn't enough for myself.
And I was looking for an answer outside myself.
So I would always, you know, I mean, I did my best dating after I married her.
So it's probably not a good thing.
What was like some of the hardest things to hide like when you were running around and beating it?
Because I've been a philanderer, you know?
What was like some of the tough things?
Yeah, let me just outlap, but I would never want to be with her versus just my current wife.
Right.
So my current wife represents the best of everything.
Right.
I don't say I'm dead, no, but it's the truth, though.
So, but the point was she was an angel of a human being, though.
Was it tough running, like as you're, as life started to get more heightened, you started to get more money?
I mean, with more money, obviously more opportunities came around.
There were more women around.
Like, did it get crazy, like hiding things like from, it must have gotten bizarre, huh?
Hiding things from who?
My second wife?
Hiding things from your first wife.
Your first wife, yeah.
Well, yes, but I didn't do a great job of it always, you know, and I think that, I mean, it was insane.
I mean, I went from being a guy that, it's like my junior partner, Danny.
He's like, hey, let's go into the city.
I'm like, Danny, it's Tuesday night.
I would never do a married guy.
I was like, why are you fucking crazy?
He hated his wife always.
I loved my wife in the beginning, right?
Is he still married to her or not?
Oh, no.
No fucking way.
They were first cousins, the two.
They almost killed each other.
Oh, yeah, they were first cousins.
That's great, dude.
I never met a woman that hated a man as much as Nancy hated Danny.
She fucking hated a guy.
Anyway, oh my God, she really hated him.
But in the beginning, I was like, I'm not going to the city.
And then one day I went in within two months.
It was like four nights a week in the city.
I'm very suggestible, you know?
And I didn't do a very good job of handling wealth, success, and fame the first time around.
I did not do a good job of it.
I didn't.
It didn't change who I was.
It made me more of what was ready to come out, which was I could not handle having unlimited money, carnal opportunity.
All of a sudden, every girl was like, it was like, whoa, it was like every adolescent fantasy being at my fingertips.
Right now, you know, nowadays I would just, I laugh at the whole thing.
I respect it and I enjoy it and I use it to empower myself and other people, but I never like, it's not this.
When the movie came out, it didn't change me in any way, but for the better.
Do you ever hire, like, have you ever been so high on cocaine where you couldn't have sex, you know, but you hired other people to have sex, like you paid some people to fuck or not?
You think?
Well, let me just, the first answer, I pray every time I took cocaine.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I know one guy, Sam Triple, he's been on this podcast, and he's like notorious for being able to fuck on cocaine.
Without Viagra.
Oh, yeah.
So this is before.
People would pay him to come over when he was on cocaine and fuck somebody they knew.
Like he was like the guy.
That's amazing because when I took cocaine, I was like, you know, I was like, fucking, holy Christ.
Oh, it's like Pungsatani Phil, dude.
But, but, but, and this is true.
I'd be like, four hours sucking.
I'm like, keep going.
I'm almost there.
Oh, yeah.
I didn't give a fuck.
Hopeful.
I was hopeful.
I'm a very half, you know, glass half bullshit guy.
So I was completely fine.
Mouth half empty.
Keep going.
It's fine.
It's good.
Yeah.
I'm like, I'd be on the phone.
Yeah.
And it actually did feel good back then when you're on Coke.
But some Susan's really sick about that.
Well, but that's also what happened, man.
Did the cocaine start to get a little seedy?
What were you guys getting?
Were you guys getting some good stuff or not?
Was the cocaine seedy or was the actions As a result of the cocaine.
Oh, dude, the cocaine.
I mean, when I was doing cocaine, bro, we weren't even doing anything that good.
No, we were doing great cocaine.
We probably could have made it ourselves.
We were doing great cocaine.
It was good.
I had a connection at that from a guy at the airport, was getting almost close to pure.
At the end, I had like a gigantic bag, like a kilo of my desk.
I could have gotten a fucking, I was like, I was like, oh, she would like fucking scoffing.
Facebook was really bad.
I used to have dreams I would take my head off, right?
Put it in a dryer, like a washing machine, like a dryer, throw a bunch of cocaine in there and put it on fucking permanent pressure.
You're a sick fuck.
You are a sick fuck.
You have to do it.
I never had that dream, and I really want to analyze you when you come on my podcast and get to the bottom of that shit.
Got some fucked up shit.
But with me, it was, you know what was with me?
I have an issue with like regulating my obsessions.
Once I get started on anything, anything, business, tennis, drug use, cheating, I have to be the best at it.
You got to do it.
I just go for it and I fucking perfect it, bring it to a new level.
It's addiction, right?
It's addiction to some sort of a story, yeah.
And I, and my use of, I say, Volvo's qualutes was really the defining thing for me in terms of drugs.
And, and I just, it was fucking great.
I mean, thank God they're illegal.
Thank God you can't find them.
Really?
Because, oh my God, they were just too good.
How good were they?
Better than you can.
They were so good that imagine like, it's like bullis fucking condensed into like a one CC mainline for like, and here's the best part.
No hangover afterwards.
What?
That was the part.
So you'd be high as a fucking kite.
Yeah, come here.
Come on.
So you could like actually do it, like have a high between 7 and 8 a.m.
Go to the office at 9.30.
It was really fucking weird.
Dude, some guy got so fucking high one time.
He was on whatever these shitty pills are now, these fentanyls and all of that.
That's fucked up.
This dude tied his fucking arms together and a knot broke both of his arms.
How crazy is that?
Who did that?
A guy, I know, a white guy.
A white guy?
Yeah.
He must have some fucking long rubbery arms.
Oh, I don't know what he's got, but I'm just saying the pills are different now.
now this is the kind of shit people are doing.
Alicia, in your pills, people went to work from 7 to 8 a.m.
Yes, fentanyl is...
I mean, I've tried everything, but who do we think?
You're Christopher Robin, of course.
Fentanyl is like, it's like, fentanyl, the shit kills you because it's very depressive on your respiration.
It makes you stop breathing.
So I'd have to speak to this guy to analyze how he was able to get that high in fentanyl and not die and put his arms together.
I could see how he couldn't feel his arms being broken into pretzels, but that's a fucking one for the record books, I think.
Yeah.
Yeah, he was kind of an artist before that.
I guess he explains it, you know?
Yeah, he's been always kind of a wild guy.
Yeah.
I'm trying to think of some other things that I really want to think about.
I can't ask me anything.
I have no, nothing is off limits.
Did you guys, I've always had this crazy fantasy that you guys like did this sex trick where like somebody would like you'd have a woman who would like be like downstairs with her legs open right and somebody would jump off of a balcony or something with an erection and try to land in the woman you are a sick fuck I'm just trying to visualize the possibility of success I'm I'm doing how fat would the woman have to be how thin would the guy how long I never tried it and you have to have a lot of like safety features set up you know because we don't know it's
interesting because we did try that stuff like that you know all the things that you saw and then it was always like we tried to think it out okay like what things do we have to do to what can we do here to pull pull or to pull this shit off yeah like we don't people to get hurt or anything right we do want to see insane happenings like you know but it wasn't like the Roman it was like the Roman Coliseum we didn't want death really we wanted it just to be some meming but no death no permanent no permanent things you know yeah so um but that would be a tough one and we never really tried that one um but I like I'd like to observe it just to see it like someone else do it yeah you know check
it out you got a lot of young you know you see a lot of young trends these days a lot of young kids who are trying to become famous they'll they'll key into this idea of like the movie jackass trying to do crazy stunts right so maybe you could share that with some of them and more someone will try that I'm sure yeah try to break their neck yeah everybody's um everybody's at a level now where it's like um latency top this do you think we've reached like kind of like a crescendo in a way not you know not even close they've been saying that since the 1800s you know I
think I got to check the year I think it was either 1892 1907 the U.S. patent office said we're going to close because everything that's been invented has already been invented I'm not even making that up they thought all inventions have been now been made we can close the patent office it was before electricity did you ever get roped into like a bad business that you wish you hadn't gotten into yeah like a million of them and more bad than good they'd be like I've failed far more than I've succeeded you know and that's most successful people is you always end up in these bad you don't think they're bad
when you try them they just end up turning bad or for whatever reason and uh the idea either was flawed from the beginning or your execution was flawed in some way and you know you try to pivot as quickly as you can as often as you can and sometimes you just can't you just gotta shut it down what's like a shit what's like a shit thing you got involved in what's like one of the worst things you ever got involved worst thing i ever got involved was a chain of dollar stores and back in like the craze in the 90s was everything for dollar stores right yeah yeah and my daughter was just about to be born i was like half in
the i was like not really my head wasn't really in the game you know and so i was like oh i got this great deal for you it's uh these these dollar stores are about they're bankrupt they just need a few million bucks there's 54 stores they're public you could take over the float of the stock i was like i came for a pretty reputable source i was like ah fuck i'm a three mile i'll do it it ended up being a fucking black hole right cost me 20 million dollars and a lot of aggravation really yeah at what point do you realize that like an investment is just an aggravation and at some point you just need to cut your losses and find a way to get out of
something like i've even noticed like i've invested in like like you know like bought into a building with some friends we couldn't decide what to do with it and at a certain point i'm spending half of every day just arguing and at some point the stress that it's taken on me is just erroneous you know so at some points i'm realizing like i'm gonna lose you know i'm gonna lose my entire investment and probably double what i've invested but at some point i just have to get out of this and cut my losses yeah i i think that typically in those situations the biggest loss is not even uh money it's the time and
the aggravation that stops you from doing something else so you know very often people we all go into businesses those who are entrepreneurial and we try something that seems like a real winner on paper, but there's something about the dynamics, the way it plays out in the real world, where it just doesn't quite work out.
It happens more often than not, right?
There's something with the market or the marketing, something happens, right?
And then you have this fork in the road where you could say, you know, am I going to cut my losses and move on or am I going to keep trying to make it work?
And that's really the ultimate question for an entrepreneur, right?
And, you know, for me, it's, you know, I have a certain sort of discipline of like, yeah, I'll give it, I'll do three or four pivots over six months.
I'll set my losses at a certain amount.
But, but, and also just some of its feeling.
You know, it's time to say no, right?
But what I see a lot is, and what really hurts people as entrepreneurs, they get emotionally attached to their ideas.
So when any other rational person would say, dude, just shut the fucking thing down because you're wasting so much time.
It's aggravating you so much.
If you just directed this much energy to a different idea, you'd already be rich.
So that's what you have to be really more careful than an exact formula.
There's no exact formula to pinpoint that moment.
But, you know, it's, it's, again, if you keep trying to pivot, change your approach, and it's just not working.
It's like six months, you got to take a good look at it.
Do you think since you expressed also that you like have the ability to feel kind of like gullible sometimes, you know, do you think that if you feel like you got kind of tricked or convinced into something that didn't pan out, do you feel anger at the person or the entity that led you to that?
Or do you just feel like, oh, I should have known better.
I should have figured this out differently?
At this point in my life, I'm not getting tricked into anything.
In other words, if it turns out that it didn't work, it's not because it was because the other person was gullible too.
I'll see through a bad idea really quickly, but I could be wrong as well.
A lot.
I could be wrong.
I thought it looked good, but it's not like someone's going to pull the wool over my eyes like that.
I'm a little bit older and wise than I once was.
And I'd like to think at least that I'm not saying I'll be right.
Yeah.
But I don't think it's like someone's going to just trick me.
I'll take a pretty tough gig right now.
Yeah, I'm just thinking, like, if, so if you were like able to, like, you know, back in the day whenever you guys were, you know, when you had your firm brokerage, yeah, when you guys were selling stuff to people, if you were also like a gullible person, did you ever think like, man, these people are more gullible than me?
Or I can, did it give you an ability to relate to those people?
No, no, it's just like, you know, we call really wealthy people.
And, you know, it was really about they were very rich.
They were investing all over the place.
It was another place they were throwing their money at.
Like, it wasn't.
You guys weren't calling like a lot of moms and pops.
None.
Zero.
None.
No, you wasn't allowed.
Why would we?
You know, we were only talking ultra people in their money, right?
Yeah.
So I said that, like, not because I'm saying like, it wasn't because we were so ethical.
It was just that, why would you?
Like, it was, the ethics was built into the system.
Like, don't call anyone that's not totally rich because they're not going to be able to invest enough money.
So we didn't.
Right.
And it was a self-regulating system like that.
Right.
It wasn't really that.
It was more about like, you know, you're, I was in awe how people would simply trust to send millions of dollars in over the telephone without ever meeting their broker.
Now, remember, this is before the internet.
You couldn't even track the stock, right?
But it was happening all over Wall Street.
Right.
You couldn't even track it.
There wasn't even a website.
You could then get off the phone and log in.
You could watch it in the newspaper the next day and see.
So they had this shit called cuffing quotes where you'd actually, the guy, hey, where's my stock?
I was at six and a half.
It was like six.
People would like, oh, there was no way to check.
It was crazy.
And that's crazy.
Yeah, so that part of it.
So there's much more, there was much more of an art to selling back in the day.
Like these people now, I mean, they're doing it.
This is easy to do it with the computers and everything.
You guys had to do it.
Well, I don't think it's easier.
But what's happened.
It takes less finesse.
How about this?
Well, the point is, what's happened is you sell a lot now through email.
You sell through video.
So what happens is you use other mediums to deliver the same message.
And what happens when you're delivering on video, you're playing both sides of the back and forth, and you have these little loops you're putting in your videos.
The same rules apply right now.
It just, to me, makes it easier today than it once was.
The same rules apply, and a great salesperson will still always reign supreme.
And at the end of the day, when it comes down to it, if you really want to get someone to spend more than a thousand or so, you got to speak to them on the phone.
So there's a limit to what, at least today, what people will send you over the internet.
When you look at guys like these guys, Gary Varnerchuk and Zit, what's that guy who reads the book a day?
Oh, Ty Lopez.
Yeah, these guys.
Are these guys monkeys?
Are these guys legitimate?
Gary's legitimate.
Legitimate guys?
Gary's legitimate.
Ty is legitimate.
Yeah.
I think he started off.
See, I'll tell you why I respect Ty.
I respect Ty because he started off probably not, but he fucking skilled himself up.
That's all you could ever ask of someone.
What makes someone a scumbag is when they start off putting themselves out there and they're not the real deal.
But you got to really give someone credit for that.
But if they're going to not then skill themselves up and become the real deal, so Ty evolved himself.
Whether he reads a book or then, I don't really know.
Yeah, that seems crazy, though, because he's got fast eyes.
But he surrounded himself with people like Alex Mayer, brilliant NASA scientists.
So Ty surrounded himself and built a net, you get it?
With killers, yeah.
So my hat's off to him.
Gary is a real player.
Gary's not, but you named two legit ones.
It's like a million illegitimates.
Right.
You know, like, I mean, more than you could fucking count.
Yeah, I don't even know some of the ones that are out there.
Nick, do you know any of those guys that are out there?
We had a question where a guy named one.
Okay.
Semi-related.
Let's go to that.
And this actually came from UFC veteran Alan Belcher.
Let's say you were in a UFC fight.
I don't know.
Maybe say you were going to fight Grant Cardone.
How would you sell that fight?
That's really funny.
Well, I think Grant has done a really good job because somehow he's managed to create a controversy between me and him when none exists.
Like he posted, put some really strange...
I was working at one company, a major company that had retained all my services, right?
So it's kind of disconnected from the whole training.
It wasn't in it, right?
And then over this time, I guess Grant was building up his business.
And like, then when I got back into it, my son works, my son's very much into social media and he really manages the aspect.
So Grant posted some video, like said a trash talking to me.
And I was like, I'm like, who's Grant Cardon?
I don't know what the guy is.
He's saying stuff about me.
I was like, what the fuck?
So my son then posts something allegedly is from me saying, dude, blah.
And when he did that, Grant, all his people were like, dude, I don't know why you're saying that because I've been through his system.
It's better than yours.
If you look at his own page where he's sent on his own page, not my page.
And I knew it was out there for like a year.
I never did a thing.
He gave him a fuck.
Okay.
You know, so when you're in the top, people always say shit about you.
Right.
But then my son made some comment, like some really funny comment back because my son's a great troll.
If he's got to be, he'll just kill you.
You know, he's really, he's really sharp like that.
And then it was like, everyone's like, ooh, you know, but it was like, I said, the funny thing is if Grant really is taking it seriously, he doesn't know he's fighting with a 21-year-old.
Oh, he thinks he's fighting with you.
Anyway, he's probably a really good guy.
He probably said it for his own reasons at the moment, trying to do whatever he was trying to do.
He probably wishes he could take it back, I'm sure.
But he actually is coming on my podcast.
Oh, wow.
Someone reached out to him.
He could be on soon.
Yeah.
So I have nothing against Grant Cricket.
But if you had to fight him, though, how are you going to sell that?
Oh, well, I said he did it because you created controversy like we actually hate each other.
I play up the fact that there's just tremendous fucking hatred and one of us is not leaving this ring alive.
Someone's going to fuck call the fucking ambulance, call the fucking Marine, call the fucking national fucking dawn because I promise you I am fucking trained for this shit.
With my last fucking dying breath, you are not leaving this fucking ring alive.
Like that sort of thing.
Yeah.
And he'd be like, yeah, you're already fucking dead.
I already have your fucking death given.
I've been training with fucking Hoyce Gracie.
It could be.
Do you, is there, you know, they have this fight out there that Tom Cruise and Justin Bieber may fight.
Did you see this?
Yeah, I think that was a joke, though.
So Justin Bieber said that Tom Cruise would kick his ass, right?
Which I'm sure is true.
But I think Justin Bieber's pretty cool, by the way.
Right.
He's a bad rap.
I think he's a cool guy.
Right.
No, I think he, I think, yeah, I think he seems like a neat.
He seemed like a special guy.
I think Tom Cruise would kick his ass and does all his own fucking spew.
Dude, plus, you know, you know, Tom Cruise is a Scientologist, right?
Right.
So is Grant.
Oh, Grant Cardone.
They're fucking...
So I'd probably get something before I could pile dog shit on my lawn, let him win.
But what if Tom Cruise and Justin Bieber fought him in?
I think Tom Cruise would kill him.
You do?
Yeah.
Oh, wow.
I think Justin Bieber thinks so, too.
Oh, I think Bieber could, I think Justin could take him probably.
Really?
Yeah.
Bieber said it.
Because Justin has that.
I mean, you got to think if he's, what, 25 years old?
I understand.
I know, but Justin said, he's got that dad strength.
Right.
That's what Justin's.
And then also, he does all his own stunts.
He's fucking pretty built, Tom Cruise.
Yeah.
I always wondered this.
Do you think any of that shit is true?
Does any of it carry into real life when these guys train for the fucking shit when they like where they can do all this?
Right.
Are they just doing it for two weeks and then who knows?
Right.
We don't know.
No, but like, I bet some of them become proficient at it because you capture, they train, they'll put you with like a top Navy SEAL or a guy with Prav McGrath.
So it's not like, you know, when you go in that situation, it's not going to be where you're just going to leave without any skills.
And if you're the sort of person that just, hey, I like that shit, I'm going to actually keep doing that.
I bet you a lot of those guys ended up becoming experts.
Well, I just wonder how long that training is, how proficient people are in it.
I know in some cases it's fucking long and very proficient.
I think like, for instance, give an example, like I read an article recently about in Saving Private Ryan, Steven Spielberg made every actor go through fucking boot camp, like the most hard, disgusting, freezing, cold, hellish boot camp.
And every actor, including Vin Diesel himself, said, they all made a petition that fuck it, we're out.
Except for one actor who said, you pussies, you stay.
You know what else?
Tom Hanks.
Really?
And they were like, fuck, if Tom Hanks, the fucking number one great actor, we are pussies.
And they all fucking stayed.
And he stayed.
Tom Hanks got them all to stay.
And they all said it was the best experience of their life.
Wow.
I always respected Tom Hanks a lot after that one.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Do you think, like, having spent time in Hollywood and stuff now, do you find that, do you think Hollywood is like the biggest shit salesman of them all?
Or what's the thing?
In what sense?
Just like, I mean, they just use, I mean, it's just, it's so unreal a lot of times.
I think when Hollywood gets it right, they really get it right.
And I think when they get it wrong, they really get it wrong.
And I think that they're also in a situation where there's such a voracious appetite for content that by default, you're going to be really wrong a lot because you end up with this lowest common denominator of content.
You just have to keep punching out content.
It almost becomes like how much shit can we throw against the wall to get a hit.
And I think that, and that's almost like when Netflix, they'll invest in a lot of stuff and then just, you know, one thing, bam, then we'll keep, you know, that's why they have one seasonal pilots or one season and they'll do a short thing.
If people like it, then they'll expand on it.
But I don't think there's anything fundamental.
I don't think, listen, I don't think Hollywood attracts the smartest people.
In other words, I think they attract the most interesting.
They attract the most creative people.
They attract dreamers, create all levels.
But I don't think it's necessarily the smartest people and the greatest salespeople.
The great companies, the sustainable, they will bring in people who are great at that and make sure they don't put the wrong guy running the studio.
That's so the ones that do great, like this guy, Kevin Feig from Running the whole Marvel.
I never met that guy's a fucking genius.
He has to be because you could not have that level of success and not be a genius at what you're doing.
Do you think that in looking back and meeting different like CEOs and people that are running different groups or the people that are successful, at a certain point, there's, you know, it's not just luck, you don't think.
I don't think it's ever luck.
I don't think it's ever luck for sustainable situations.
Anyone can get lucky for a short period of time.
Someone that's sustainable, I just did a, you know, Logan Paul kid, right?
People would say, oh, what the fuck?
He's no dummy though.
He's a smart.
He's a smart kid.
And when you really talk to him, okay, you'll see the strategy.
So yeah, anyone could go on and do a couple of backflips and crazy shit.
But when you really sit down and talk to people who are really killing it, it's very like, yo, you think Kim Kardashian is stupid?
She's fucking brilliant.
How could you not be and stay relevant for that long?
Anyone could get it once, but sustainable, you got to be smart and hardworking.
We got a question that's right here.
Let's check this out.
What up, Dio?
What up, Jordan?
Gang Gang.
Just a quick question for Jordan.
Were there any fallacies in the movie that you wish wouldn't have made it in there?
Or on the flip side, if you want to go the other direction, is there anything that you guys might have gotten into in real life that couldn't make it into the movie because of Hollywood rules?
So on the first one, there's a couple of things in there, obviously, right?
Like that, you know, there's a scene where I punched my wife in the stomach and never, I never lifted a hand to my wife like that in one violent.
You give her a shake or a little, probably?
Yeah, I was like, oh, yeah, one, my last, I got sober.
We were on the stairs and I kicked out while she was trying to stop me from like killing myself.
I was, you know, overdosing, right?
But it wasn't like I turned around and went, walk.
That's a very different thing.
Very different.
So in fact, when we took, I'm not saying the first one was good, but it's not the same thing, right?
And when the movie came out, my ex-wife, we and I, we took our kids together to see them film.
And we said, listen, this is not true.
We never did.
This is true.
We did this.
So we just told our kids what was there.
You know, what was true?
It was not true.
That was one thing that viscerally bothered me because I would never do that.
I think that the biggest thing that happened there that was untrue, that was problematic for me in terms of the message it sent, two things.
One was that the scene when I walk into that little firm and it's like a dilapidated hole in the wall and there's obviously something wrong there.
And Leo, as me, looks at the magic and goes, is this, is this legal?
And the guy goes, well, you know, you think that's not what they said to me.
They said, of course it's legal.
I mean, if someone said to me, well, I'd run out the door.
And I think the reason that bothers me is because I think it's important that people understand that today, for kids that are just going out into the workforce, just because a company is operating somewhere doesn't mean it's legal.
In other words, there's all these companies out there, small amount, but many out there that are totally doing the wrong thing, ripping people off.
And they'll say to you, oh yeah, it's totally dirty people.
You got to use your own fucking gut and say that something doesn't add up.
And then, you know, check it out further.
But it wasn't like someone just said to me, like, you know, oh, yeah, it's perfect.
They were like, they said it was like perfect, not like, you know, well, you know, I run out.
So that was one thing.
Another thing was, you know, the way it was like that I walked in like I was a lily white sort of, you know, great guy.
And then the next scene I'm snorting coconut strip club.
That didn't happen.
It took two years.
I understand why Score Sazer did it.
You know, this time collapse, but I think it would have been even better to show my slow descent.
So those are some of the things, you know?
Do you miss like strippers and stuff like that or that type of environment?
Or do you feel like you probably got all of it you could, huh?
Got my fill.
Thank God.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, I got my fill.
And my life is so much better now.
Yeah.
Who was the greatest stripper you ever met, you think?
Well, you know, I would say the greatest.
There's one stripper I tried to marry after as I was overdosing.
Oh, yeah.
And I went down to Florida.
Oh, yeah.
And it was right before they put me in the loop.
Tampa or not?
It was Del Rey Beach area.
Oh, yeah.
All right.
I think it was solid bones.
The name was Blaze.
And I didn't even know this, but I actually put her on the phone with my mother.
I want to be my new wife, Blaze.
And she's like, hi, hi, Mrs. Belford.
And I didn't remember until I wrote the book.
I said, my mother, the chapter, she's a really great reader, my writer.
So she was analyzing my pages.
And she's like, honey, you forgot about Blaze.
I'm like, really?
You didn't even remember, huh?
Blaze was hot.
And then once I remembered, then I started remembering.
And what is it?
Like, what kind of woman really gets you, you think?
Do you think?
What kind of woman is really your type of woman?
My current wife is the best.
Great answer.
She's great.
She's gorgeous.
Where'd you meet her?
Soccer mom.
Oh, really?
On the field?
Yeah.
Were you betting on the games?
I was.
It was my kid's game.
Have you ever bet on your child's game?
No, but I was like almost thrown off the field a bunch of times for like saying, fucking goalie's a hologram.
Get him off the fucking field.
My son was a good soccer player, and some of the parents are the worst.
We're the worst sports ever.
It's as bad as it is.
In the movies, it looks like it's just bad on the field.
Did you start to look forward more to being a parent on the side of it?
Like, it's also.
It was my favorite thing in the world to watch my kids play soccer.
I would get so emotionally invested.
I'm like, fucking, what's wrong with this kid?
He's sucked.
It was like, I was terrible.
And half of the other parents were just as bad.
Wow.
But me with my New York accent, it's like, it was really.
And my ex-wife was just as bad.
You know, get my titty twist.
But it got really vicious.
And soccer is like that.
Soccer is the most vicious sport for parents because it's fast moving.
There's no fucking, I've seen parents, I shit you not.
I've watched a father, okay, tackle a girl that was running, a five-year-old girl about to score, running out and tackling the girl and getting taken away in handcuffs.
His daughter was the goalie, and this one superstar was like five or six, was about to score for like the eighth time.
He ran on and tackled her.
Hell yeah.
I love that, dude.
We need that kind of stuff.
And here's a young fella.
Real quickly, how old are your kids now and what are they doing?
Daughter is 25. Oh, wow.
Just graduated grad school and MYU grad school.
She's a psychologist.
She's getting a master's, but she's starting to practice psychology now in the city, New York.
And she's awesome.
She's brilliant.
She graduated at the top of her class, 3.9 average.
My middle son, Carter, okay, he's a rapper.
He's an unbelievably brilliant rapper.
His stuff's amazing.
He's a poet, and he's going to be more famous than I ever was.
And my younger son, Bowen, works with me.
Bowen is his name?
Bowen.
Bowen.
Yeah, Bowen works with me.
And Bowen runs like my, runs a lot of my business, and he's an amazing businessman.
My daughter's beautiful, very pretty, and the sweetest child.
she just always was the best.
Everyone loves my daughter, she's a great grandchild, she's a great friend, she's really just a wonderful person.
And she had one guy that just was a little bit too self-important for my, but she's always chosen some, you know, not good guys.
Do you think that ever anybody ever dated your children to try to get close to you, to meet you, or to you know, I think my kids, I feel my boys probably use it to their advantage when they can.
Yeah.
My daughter was never in short supply of guys that wanted to date her, so I would think it would just be a long line.
Like I'm a wolf cub of Wall Street, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think she had some issues for a very short time.
She was single, and I think she had a couple of times where she made the mistake of actually, because the guy was a good-looking guy, and maybe she went out and date with someone that turned out to just was like, oh, she was a conquest because she was my daughter or something like that, you know, but she learned pretty quickly.
Let's take this question from this young man or woman.
What's up, Theo?
Brother.
What's up, Mr. Belfur?
I got a question for you.
If both of you were in your prime Coke consumption days, how long would an ounce of Coke last if it were set in front of you right now?
I was good for seven grams a day.
So how were you good for?
I don't know how much an ounce is, dude, but I'm not.
I'm talking snorting it, not smoking it.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
I would never smoke it.
That's terrible.
I would say 28 grams in an ounce.
There's 28 grams in an ounce?
Yes.
So how much is an ounce like if it's in this?
It's like one of those plastic baggies, like this much in a plastic baggie.
Okay, so plastic baggie like that?
No, like this.
Like a sandwich bag?
And it's full?
No, it's like this, like this.
About a half inch full or something?
Yeah, like it weighs an ounce.
Right.
It weighs an ounce.
28.3 grams.
How long would an ounce last me?
Jesus Christ, dude.
I would probably, if I was really enjoying myself or it was like kind of a festive time of year, I would say maybe, I don't know.
Probably two days, maybe.
So 14 grams a day, really.
I mean, this was like on a weekend.
I wasn't doing like a...
That's a lot of Coke.
I mean, I would, yeah, I mean, I would probably be close to dying.
I would be laying in bed with a lot of people.
Do you have any problems with someone?
Do you have any problems with your nose at all?
No, dude.
I just have a I have a lot of space in my nose for Coke.
Yeah, I have a little bit extra space myself.
Yeah.
Dude, what did you make?
roll back either.
Bro, the craziest part about doing coke was just like, It made me, I would just kind of touch myself and look at the internet, and then I couldn't get an erection, and then sometimes I would like What was his name?
Sam Triple.
Sam Triple is a fucking legend.
Oh, bro.
He used to get paid to travel around town on Coke and fuck people.
I can imagine because it's an amazing crew, by the way.
4 a.m.
He would do his best.
He should be studied by fucking scientists.
And he just cut open his penis and his fucking blood system down there and figured out what the fuck is wrong with it, you know?
Did you ever tie anything to the sides of your wiener whenever you were high to try and continue to have sex or to prop your penis up?
Who would try to do that?
Why only when I'm high?
Well, I mean, I just think because when you're high, if you're actually fucking awesome.
Yeah, why not do it when you're straight too?
Yeah, because then you're going to be able to keep your wiener up.
Yeah, but still, it's fucking, I've done everything.
I'm a fucking sick fuck.
Yeah.
And anyone who denies being a sick fuck, I think you're full of shit.
Human beings are depraved animals, especially human males, okay?
I'm just bold enough to admit I'm a depraved animal.
Okay?
Yeah.
No, I'm not.
On and off Coke.
Just off cocaine, I will never, I would never ever cheat on my wife.
I never would.
And I would, when I'm on Coke, who knows what?
I wouldn't say I won't do it because it's a check.
Oh, I'll cheat on this planet.
On the planet, it makes me a depraved fucking lunatic, you know?
Oh, cocaine, I'll get a fucking.
And the dirtier, the better.
The more disgusting, the better.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, dude, I, yeah.
Yeah, you know, some things are best left unsaid because, I mean, you know, I mean, listen, you know, I have the benefit of having a movie that's basically to sensitize the world to what I'm possibly capable of, right?
But even still, there were some things, and one of the questions they did leave out of the movie was the bachelor party.
The level of depravity was just so extreme that, you know, I think people were still missing from like 20 years ago.
And they had a lot more bush and stuff back then, too, didn't they?
They did.
A lot of women.
They did.
And I prefer a little bit myself.
I don't like the whole shave completely thing.
I feel like I'm like Robin the Cradle or something.
Yeah, you feel like a pediophile.
Yeah, it's a little shady.
Now, what about this?
Do you see guys out there today, do you get jealous of the younger generation?
Like when it comes to dating and their opportunities for dating on apps and stuff like that?
No, it's a good question.
I think it's a mixed, on some level, I can imagine like, fuck, all this shit online.
But, you know, it kind of sucks that you can't go to a bar anymore.
My friend, everyone's scared to get in trouble or me too'd or that's fucked up.
I mean, like, I've had my son's friends, like, he got me too.
He almost lost.
He almost got thrown out of Stanford for that, for a girl.
And he was totally, it was bullshit.
And thankfully, he got, you know, it got righted, but it's dangerous out there for kids.
They can't, you can't, like, used to be the best place to meet a girl was in the workplace.
Yeah.
And that was it.
And people would fall in love.
And my wife always says that she loved it because when she was, my wife's not young.
She's, you know, she's 52, right?
She's the most beautiful 52-year-old you've ever met, right?
Sounds hot to me, Jay.
Sounds hot.
I would meet her if you passed.
You and half of the town, right?
Would you let me take her on a date if you passed away?
I'm a nice guy.
All I would want her is to be happy.
That's all I'd want for her if I passed away.
But I don't think she would because she's not.
She's like an indoor cat.
You know what I mean?
She's the sort of person that she likes to be alone more than be with other people.
She knows because I'm you'd be to have to remarry because you just can't be alone.
I don't know if that's true, but it's maybe partially true.
I won't do it.
I mean, I won't even try to talk to her.
You can do whatever you want, man.
Well, I'm not going to do anything.
I don't know why I even said this.
This is fun.
No, but don't do it if I pay.
Are you married?
Uh-uh.
Have you ever been married?
Uh-uh.
Do you have any kids?
Uh-uh.
Really?
How old are you?
I'm 39. Fuck.
So I'm an adult, but I don't think so.
Are you shooting blanks?
Oh, no.
I don't think so.
I just haven't really tried to get the kid yet.
You know, I think about it.
I just, you know, just have a lot of work to do still.
I feel like I still feel a little bit unsettled, maybe.
A little bit.
Yeah.
You can get your shit together.
Yeah, I think it's coming along.
We're getting close.
Sometimes I feel I can feel a kid in the back of my nuts.
You know what I'm saying?
Aching to come out and show himself.
I get it.
Yeah.
Let's get some more questions that came in, Nick.
Yeah, we had some Patreon questions, too.
Come on.
Some Patreon Questions.
So these are just written ones from the fans.
Young P says, What did friends and family that you know more personally have to say about the movie?
Did they think Leo did it justice or was he off?
Oh, people generally love the movie and the portrayal.
Yeah, I would find, you know, some people, oh, you were even better on this because they probably want to ingratiate themselves.
Yeah, Leo did an amazing job.
He should have won an Academy Award for it.
Yeah, I can't believe that he didn't.
Do people then think you were in other movies too?
Like, they're like, I saw that movie.
What's the one where he's the airline pilot?
Catcher if you can.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Catcher if you can.
Yeah, does he think like, are they sometimes like, oh, wow, I saw you in that movie where you get busted for the airline?
Last week, I was in Australia, right?
And my son was graduating from college.
He went to college in Australia, right?
We all flew down there.
And I get into a cab, and there's a woman, the woman in the cab, it's a lady, it's an Uber.
She's got to be, you know, late 50s, and she's wearing like a sleeveless Moo Moo type, and she's got the extra speed bag on the back of her arms.
That sort of like doesn't look to really have her shit together and that deep a level.
Like she's probably on the, on like, you know, I would say on the freaking Stanford Binet IQ test, she probably was scoring just over 65. I'm guessing the looks can be the scene.
She could have been a rocket slice until about three minutes into the chip, she turns, she looks at me, she goes, are you famous or something?
And my son's like, yeah, he's very famous.
And she's like, I knew it.
She goes, what are you famous for?
And my son goes, and he's like, oh, she was in a movie, The Wolf War.
What?
And she finally, I said, no, Leo DiCaprio.
20 minutes later, she goes, the wolf of who?
The Leo?
I'm like, Titanic?
Do you know him?
Yeah.
So she couldn't quite grasp the concept.
Just a Muppet, huh?
It's really unbelievable.
We all, it was the three of us.
Did that just happen?
Like, we couldn't quite.
Can I have your phone number?
Really?
She's playing a dialogue joke, you know?
And she was sweet about it, but it was really odd.
It was like she couldn't quite put together the whole thing that I wrote a book that became a movie and the most famous movie star chose to play this thing.
I'm not a movie star.
She couldn't catch that.
You know, I think that I appreciate my fans more than anybody.
So I can't understand how you could possibly be famous, be outdoors, and someone asks you for a picture and you say no.
I can't understand how you could.
I would take a picture with anyone because without your fans, you're nothing.
I don't get that.
And matter how shitty I feel, even if it's a rush on, yeah, walk with me.
Okay.
I never refuse anyone a picture because I think it's fucked up.
It's like without the people to love you or to respect you, you're nothing.
Yeah, no, I agree.
I'm just wondering, you know, everyone knows it's me, like the wolf.
It's a very clear association that that's what it's about.
Right.
Do you feel like you're famous for being a crook ever?
Do you ever feel that?
I think that in my earlier days, like if someone had asked me that question, well, you probably have no agenda for asking that to me.
You really want to know how I feel inside, right?
It would be easy for me in the early days of this journey to feel, to have someone say, hey, feel bad for five weeks about that.
I'm like, fuck, people think I'm a crook.
Yeah, I don't mean a broken.
I know you don't.
100%.
You're just not that sort of person, right?
It's a good question.
The answer is probably some people do.
And I feel bad for those people because it's so much more than that.
It's like so much more complex.
And that's really just really not even giving Scorsese Lee or life itself a good enough look about what really happened.
So it's really about how those people view it.
You know, listen, everything in life is just, it is what it is.
And the meaning that we apply to something gives us our beliefs about that situation.
If you're that fucking myopic, that's your good luck going through life.
That's probably your view on everything that it's so black and white.
Do you feel like you robbed from the, did you, do you ever feel like if you robbed from the rich and gave to the poor, did you ever feel like a, do you ever feel like that?
I never was, I never was deluded to think that it was right.
Right.
Okay.
I clearly had 1,000% justified that they're rich, so it's okay.
Right.
It's not okay.
It's just not okay.
But that was the rationalization.
Do you justify that something's in my head?
Yeah, you do, but it's not right.
But you certainly, it certainly, but by the way, again, there's no absolute right or wrong.
On the scale of wrongness, taking a poor person's last hours is like the worst fucking crime you could commit.
A guy who's worth 50 million and he loses 200 grand, that guy's going to recover and probably should learn his lesson.
Not to make it right, but they're very different things.
Very different.
And that's, and I hung on that for all, I hung on that rationalization for all it was worth to keep living my life while I was doing it.
Yeah.
Well, I'm sure at some point you probably couldn't stop, huh?
Well, yes, but not for the reasons you might think.
At a certain point, you almost, not that you lose sense of right and wrong, but your line of morality moves so profoundly, like the things that you would once think were terrible no longer, everything becomes gray.
And then you like, feel like, it was many times I felt like almost I was on this ship that had sailed and I was like a passenger in a journey in my own life and no longer in power, my own decisions.
That's a cop-out, but I felt like that.
I really did feel like that sometimes.
Do you ever throw like a bunch of money off a mountain or anything?
I've probably launched 10,000.
On one July 4th, he took a stack of hundreds of 10,000 and launched it into the ocean on bottle rockets to celebrate July 4th.
110,000?
No, 10,000 and hundreds.
I just for no fucking reason launched money into the ocean.
Yeah.
Damn.
I'd like to have that money back now.
Yeah.
Wouldn't you?
I mean, right?
I mean, you know?
Look, I'm going to keep the faucet running around here.
I don't think we're that far from the beach.
Do you, what type of savings do you have now?
Did you save money away?
Everything I had, I gave back and started again.
Now thankfully, I'm doing well.
Were you worried at some point or did you always feel even like at that point, like, at a certain point, do you realize I have this gift?
I will always be able to survive.
I always knew that.
But it doesn't mean I didn't worry.
I still worry.
I always worry.
I worry back then.
I worry now.
Part of my strategy for success is worrying.
I worry myself with action.
I'm a worrier by nature.
I wish I wasn't, but that's how I motivate myself and make sure I always get myself to do the things I have to do each day, even though I don't feel like doing them.
It's always easy to do what you want to do.
I do what I don't want to do.
And that's part of being successful and being an adult.
And I worry, not because I don't have money.
I don't think it's about that anymore.
It's much as about I'm building a business and a legacy.
And I employ a lot of great young kids who are really psyched about what we're doing.
The one thing that this, my business, rep, I'm about 35, 40 employees and growing fast, right?
I'll probably have 100 by year's end, right?
And the one common denominator is every single person in that company knows that every person we touch is getting the deal of a lifetime.
Everything is good.
It's never about let's get.
It's all about giving value.
People love us.
If you go to my wall, like the people who invest in my programs, I mean, they're like, it's the ridiculous.
Like, I was like, I undercharge for stuff.
I probably made a mistake with that in retrospect.
It was a little too cheap because there is a natural sweet spot, which is fair for all sides.
But the journey that we're on is about giving massive value and making money as a result of that, not the other way around.
Do you ever think there'll be another movie made about you that kind of shows the back end of your life?
You know, there was two movies made about me.
So it was Boiler Room, which was based on my firm, which is a loosely bait, and The Wolf of Wall Street.
You know, I couldn't imagine, because I think my life is boring right now, relatively.
And people would say, you thought your life is so crazy.
I'm one of those little things seem to happen to me.
Like, whenever I wrote a book, it becomes a fucking, like, what the fuck?
Let's just say that when it came out that Leo, everyone's like, it figures.
Like, it was always like, it was like, it's figures.
Not surprised it's happening.
And I, you know, and I don't plan that shit.
I really don't.
Who could?
I don't, I really doubt it.
But, you know, you never know.
I mean, I'm on a great journey right now.
And I think I have a lot.
I think I have a lot to offer the world.
I really do.
And I think that I think I got it figured out.
I think my values right now are really perfectly aligned to make a lot of money as a result of giving massive value.
And I think that's a cool thing.
Yeah.
And I think that's congruent with who I am.
And I think that there's people that work with me right now, my son being one of my many great staff members that are like partners in the company.
I believe in spreading the wealth.
I have a feeling they're going to push this far more than I ever would.
And I'll be more of a figurehead on their journey and doing what they need me to do.
Like, cause I need to do a podcast.
My son got me to do that podcast.
You know what I'm saying?
And I love doing it.
But I think that this is about the company's far beyond me right now.
And my greatest hope is that people in there rise up and replace me.
And I'm just, you know, I'm the guy they push out in a wheelchair and go, yeah.
That would be amazing.
Are you sober these days or no?
Sober.
I drink, like, I never was a drinker.
Right.
So I would gladly have a glass of skash.
I'd probably take three sips.
If you got lucky, I'd finish one shot.
I would never do more than that.
That's not who I am, right?
I don't do drugs because I, and the only thing I don't do them, I'm not against them.
I lost the privilege.
Yeah.
Like drugs, like a privilege.
You know, people can do it responsibly and have fun because they are fun.
But once you lose, once you cross over, you lose that ability.
I cannot do them normally.
That's the dark arts, brother.
Yeah, right?
You know?
Yeah.
It gets deep.
Really deep.
Yeah, boy.
I'm not a nice person.
Actually, I could be nice.
I'm just not a good person.
Dude, one of my buddies would put on a diaper and go on the dance floor because he would shit himself.
I understand.
And it doesn't seem like that irrational to me.
I think it's a good prophylactic measure that makes good common sense.
It's respectful.
Like, kudos to that.
It's better than shitting on the floor and fucking everyone else's night up and I don't put a fucking diaper on.
Let's party.
He's a good dude.
What else we got, Nick?
Any more questions on here that we want to go through?
I think that's pretty good.
Do you want more?
Nuh-uh.
Anything you want to ask?
No, this was fun.
This was fun.
You were good, boy.
We had a fun time.
I would love to hear you on his because he could pull some stories out.
Oh, yeah.
I want to come on my podcast.
I'd love to have you on my podcast.
Yeah, I would love to come on there.
Come down like next week or something, and we'll just be crazy.
It'd be great.
That'd be cool.
Yeah, I'll think I'll submit stories and I've been shared before.
You do?
What town do you live in?
I'm in like Manhattan, Hermosa Beach.
I'm right on the ocean.
You see my whole company.
You see my company's pretty cool.
I got about 50, 45 people working for me right now, actually 40, 45. And they're all in this one house.
So I live on the ocean.
I took the house right behind me, and they're all there, and they're just the most awesome people.
All millennials.
People don't think millennials work hard?
I don't know.
My millennials are fucking animals.
Really?
Oh, yeah.
They're like just awesome.
You know, great staff.
That's girls.
I have young girls that work for me.
They're so fucking sharp.
Jesus.
They're like fucking killers, these girls.
They're dangerous, huh?
Dangerous.
I have one girl, you know, I have a two, like a duo, Rachel and Mia.
You know, Rachel's like fucking a brainiac.
She's really fucking smart.
I love it.
Mia's like, well, I'll fire the person.
I'll fire them.
Man.
I'm like, Mia, you have to, because she's headed like a whole department.
Like, you want me to?
Oh, no, I'm fine with that.
They want to fire, huh?
Now, do you notice, okay, having these young millennial, these millennial girls and stuff working for you, do you notice a difference between them and women that were in your workplace previously?
You know, I grew up, my mother was professional in the 50s, like in the mad men era.
She was going down into the city and was like peggy on steroids, my mother.
Wow.
But she just didn't believe in making money because she didn't have to sell.
She was a CPA and she has an IQ off the strategy.
She became a lawyer when she was 79. My mother was the oldest woman to pass the bar in New York State.
So I would never, ever look at a woman as being anything less than the equal of a man.
Right.
Because that's why I grew up.
My mother was like that.
Right, right.
Same.
But she played a woman brokers at Stratton.
But I think that just like, you know, the women, the young girls I have and the guys that are amazing too, right?
Right.
They're amazing.
To me, I find that when you have a sharp girl, I think the female mind in some level is more organized on average.
I agree.
Just because of the way, the why, like hunter-gatherers versus killers, right?
So guys are great at some things.
And of course, this is just a big mesh mesh.
There's always exceptions.
Yeah, there's always exceptions, but I agree.
I think women are overall more organized.
These girls I have there, they're just like, fucking that.
They do shit I could never do.
Like, they both came in at low levels, and I rose them up like you're in charge of this shit, you know, because they're just great.
And my son is the spiritual leader of them all.
He's just a brilliant young guy.
I got a great crew.
I'm like, yeah, it sounds like it, man.
You sound really excited about that.
I love them.
They're great.
They work really hard.
Do you like to meet one of the scariest businesses these days seems to be the news, right?
Do you feel that?
Like, it's changed a lot?
Yes, it's a joke.
It's not the news, it's fucking...
Like, they used to have a well-a care.
It used to seem like they cared about our well-being.
Like, there was some general care for our well-being.
It's so fucking toxically terrible right now.
I can go on for hours about this, but I mean, number one, the days of like Walter Cronkaya.
I long for those days.
People on CNN, a lot of fucking joke.
I mean, like, they're saying shit.
If you're going to, my problem is not what they say.
Just say that you're not a new, you're an opinion journalist.
And then, hey, dude, like Rachel Maddow, you're Rachel Maddow, you're a liberal.
Good.
Let's hear what you say.
You're entitled to your opinion.
And you can say whatever you want because everyone knows that you're an opinion journalist.
That's who she is.
And that's healthy.
Okay.
Sean Hanney, the same thing.
He's making no allusions to who he is, right?
But when you, or Tucker Calls, if you're going to go out there and pretend you're like Don Lemon, whoever his name is on CNN, saying you're, that's not a journalist.
Shame on him for that.
That's not right.
That is just not fucking right.
And it fools people.
Because, you know, I'm not saying he's even right or wrong.
Right.
It's not nothing to do with that, but you're not a journalist.
You're not speaking.
Right.
You're not a journalist.
You're a Muppet at that point.
You don't have any.
There's an agenda.
And I think it's terrible.
It's scary.
It's very scary.
And I think it's really sad.
Listen, I voted for Trump, okay, mostly because I strongly believed in his economic policy.
And it turned out to be right because the economy is booming.
I don't love everything he says.
I'm a really liberal guy.
I think, shockingly, I think he's really liberal too.
He just doesn't have to.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, I don't think he does a good job of explaining himself.
And I think the media is not.
And they'll kill him.
No, what he does.
They'll fucking kill him.
If the guy discovered cancer, they'd say he discovered cancer, right?
And let me just say, because he's going to control all of us now that he's discovered.
So it's fucked, okay?
You're never going to die.
No, you're owned.
Your soul is owned by Donald Trump.
And listen, he's not all bad.
He's not all good.
He's Donald's no better or worse than any other politician.
Oh, he's probably better because he, at least he fucking says that she says shit.
And I was like, what fuck?
The thing is one of the reasons why he got elected is because he at least you knew who he was.
Like a lot of people were like, oh, I know this guy's kind of a guy who doesn't pay his contractors, right?
I know he's that guy.
He's that guy.
But other people are like, I don't know who that person is.
There's some script that's been going on for hundreds of years.
You got it.
You know what he said?
The best thing he's ever said was like when the Democrats were bashing him publicly while he's trying to negotiate with China goes, could you just lie so I can negotiate more effectively with China?
Pretend you like me.
Like, do you realize how stupid you're hurting the country by saying all this shit out loud so they know in China?
Just pretend we're on the same side.
It's like fucked up.
And here's the thing.
It's really not going to matter for you or I because they'll kick this can down the road for another 30, 40 years.
But sometime, I don't know what the fuck is going to happen with a deficit because things are just, you can't run a deficit like this.
Forever.
Forever.
You can't.
I don't know what's going to happen.
And I wish, and I think I'm a pretty smart guy when it comes to economics and financials.
I can't, the only, listen, the obvious answer is to grow our way at become so successful economically that by lowering taxes, you become so successful that the tax base gets so massive that you can pay down the debt.
I just don't see how that happens mathematically unless the currency we have got to value to the dollar becomes cheaper.
It was some currency reset, which case to be a global disaster because the U.S. is the global reserve currency.
So it used to be a country could devalue their currency to sort of offset.
You can't do that as the U.S. because you're the global.
Right.
You're the benchmark.
And if there was a reset, there would be ramifications all over the place.
I don't know the answer.
And I don't know if anyone really does know the answer, but it's a scary thing.
Yeah, it's almost like traveling in outer space, really.
It is.
And the fact that he stands up to China.
I love China.
China's a peaceful country.
I've been there.
I love the people.
Yeah, I was there a couple months ago.
Yeah, the best people ever, right?
The best people ever.
They're economic warriors, and you got to respect them.
Oh, they keep cruising.
They're fucking.
They don't give a fuck.
You die in China.
They make a soup out of you.
They sell it to a couple people.
They keep cruising out.
And it's all good.
It's all good.
They love you.
They're happier there, but that's it.
Dude, that's it.
It's all about China.
It's very tough to compete with that because, you know, they need to move 10,000 people need to build an electric dam.
Plow the fucking place.
Here it's 20 years of fucking lawsuits.
There's a distinct advantage, you know?
So, anyway.
It's interesting, man.
You have to come on my podcast.
A lot of red tape.
A lot of red, white, and blue.
A lot of red tape, man.
No, Jordan, I'd love to, man.
Thank you so much for being here today.
my pleasure Shine on me.
And I will find a song I will sing it just for you.
And now I've been moving way too fast on the runaway train with a heavy load of my hands.
And these roads that I've been riding on, they're once so stiff and they're dancing on.
I guess that's what I'm doing.
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