April 19, 2026 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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James Edwards hosts Mike Wharton and Mark Tommy to discuss Confederate History Month, where Wharton frames the federal government as a corrupt empire requiring secession to restore Southern sovereignty. Tommy expands on this by advocating for independent Southern governments based on distinct white European identities, rejecting homogenized nationalism while proposing defense treaties with other regions. The broadcast promotes upcoming events featuring speakers like Dr. Michael Hill and advertises organizations such as the John Birch Society, ultimately presenting separatism as the sole path to cultural preservation and biblical freedom. [Automatically generated summary]
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Southern Independence Goals00:14:39
You're listening to the Liberty News Radio Network and this is The Political Cesspool.
The Political Cesspool, known across the South and worldwide as the South's foremost populist conservative radio program.
And here to guide you through the murky waters of the political cesspool is your host, James Edwards.
Welcome back to Confederate History Month on TPC.
It is great to be here with you as we celebrate the South, Southern history and heritage.
Mike Wharton is the chairman of the Southern Cultural Center, where they work to preserve the traditional culture of the South, which makes us a unique people, which is a prerequisite for nationhood.
They also work to educate about our unique cultural heritage, both fellow Southerners as well as those who don't share our culture.
They work to regain control of our own political destiny free of Federal control of our state and local governments.
They work to restore the biblical Christian foundations of the Southern people and to preserve and protect and erect monuments, street names, flags, music, and literature that honor the South's glorious past and future.
Mike, it is so great to have you back tonight.
Happy Confederate History and Heritage Month to you, my friend.
So glad to be with you all tonight, James, and looking forward to the show.
And it is indeed an honor to represent this center tonight and talk about Confederate history and heritage.
It's something that we try to do 12 months a year, but especially in April.
Well, April, of course, and we've covered this, as I said, I mean, it is impossible to cover everything that we've covered in 22 installments of Confederate History Month's programming here on TPC.
You can't get to all the history, all the heroes, all the battles, all the guests, all the things we've talked about in previous annual programming.
We do the best we can.
But yes, I mean, the whole thing, why April?
Well, the war began in April of 61.
It ended, unfortunately, in April of 65.
And so that's why April has been known as Confederate History and Heritage Month.
And throughout the South, state governments, more a few years ago than today, but still, some.
Proclaim April to be Confederate Heritage Month, and so that is why we are doing it in April.
If you didn't know, if you're tuning in for the first time, why is April Confederate History Month?
Well, that's why.
Mike, I have had so many great memories down there with you in Central Alabama, Wetumpka, Alabama, not far from Montgomery, the state capitol.
By the way, Montgomery, the state capitol building complex there in Montgomery still has some of the most incredible Confederate monuments in, well, I would say in the world, certainly in the South, I mean.
And you just need to see it.
There's the gold star where Jefferson Davis was sworn in as president.
It's all right there, not far from the Southern Cultural Center.
What is the goal of the Southern Cultural Center?
You have it on your website, southernculturalcenter.com.
Tell us in your own words.
Hey, as to restore the beliefs and restore the confidence of our people, our immediate goal to understand Southern independence, restore freedom of association and the things that's so dear, things that you can come here to Southern Cultural Center and do.
And our meeting this past Thursday night was one of the things that we pointed out.
One of the few places where you could come and enjoy freedom of association, freedom of speech, and speak out.
But we plan and we see a way, God's way, that the South will be restored one day as a government of the people.
And yeah, that's our goal, Southern independence.
Well, tell me this.
This is Keith Alexander, by the way.
What do we do to recapture?
I'm good to talk with you, sir.
What do we do, practically speaking, to recapture our culture?
Basically, the whole civil rights movement, basically, the whole.
Period of time that I've been on this earth, we've been in headlong retreat, except for the last few years under Trump, getting at least some pushback on the left wing agenda, which of course was a product of Jewish power and influence.
So basically, we need to know why it is important not just to be nostalgic about our past, but to try to restore it as fully as we can so that we can have a great future for our children and grandchildren.
Well, the first step in that would be restoring our Christian faith and acknowledging the supremacy of God's law over man made law.
And when we do that, indeed individually, but those things can be done.
And as far fetched as it might seem, it's not nearly as far fetched as thinking that the empire can stand as corrupt morally as it becomes, and as of late, mocking God.
The chances of us and our independence is much greater than it's ever been.
And it's some things that we're going to cover in the conference this year.
But restoring our Christian and biblical beliefs and biblical law would be the first step in going in that direction.
And it will happen.
If you'll look at Galatians chapter 6, verse 9 and 10, let us not weary of doing good.
You might say, well, it's been a couple hundred years and we hadn't made much close to it and not making a lot of progress towards secession.
But there's periods of time in the Bible where there's hundreds of years where God's remnant was still working, but not much recording about it, recorded about it.
And so that's not any time in God's time.
And we'll continue working.
And in due time, we will reap.
You know, it's so funny you mentioned that chapter and verse of Galatians because I had no idea you were going to bring that up tonight.
That is actually on our statement of principles at thepoliticalcesspool.org, that exact verse.
It shouldn't come as any surprise when people are of like mind and heart.
But to hear you say that, I laughed because it hit home to such an extent.
And we've had such good times down there with you, Mike, at the Southern Cultural Center.
Again, you can go to southernculturalcenter.com.
You can get their core beliefs.
You can get their events.
But I have been down there, I think, four or five times now.
And it's just a beautiful facility in central Alabama.
And my son has been down there.
My son asks every year, are we going to go back down to the Cultural Center?
He has had a great time.
Mike has given him the honor of doing the raffle a couple of times on stage.
Henry's got a big kick out of that.
We've just grown into the family there.
And I think that's just one of the things I love doing this month, Mike, is letting people know that there's places like Dixie Republic in South Carolina.
There's places like the Southern Cultural Center that do exist.
And you can learn more about them.
You can be part of them at SouthernCulturalCenter.com.
You've got an event coming up again, another conference.
And what's coming up a little bit later this summer?
August 14 and 15.
It's really shaping up.
Looking forward to you and Henry broadcasting live here from the center that Saturday night.
Let me ask you this, if I could, Michael.
Getting back to your main topic on this, do you really feel secession is the only route we have, and that's what we have to be pushing for?
Actual physical secession from the rest of the Union.
I tend to agree with that viewpoint.
I don't know whether that's your viewpoint or not.
Enlighten us on that.
It is our viewpoint, and it's my viewpoint, and it is the only answer.
Now, I mean, if you look, what's the odds of turning this country from the corruption and the rot?
It seems like the disciples of Satan have got their hand in everything and every law and everything that this country is doing right now.
And if you look at everything from abortion, what's happened to our schools, what's happening to our churches, the country will get our independence, whether we want it or not, because the rod of this empire, it will collapse.
And at the time, we've got to be prepared, and the center is going to be here to lead.
And we're laying preparation as people come through these doors all the time.
August 14 and 15, there'll be people here from all over the South and indeed all over the country and speakers and not only coming here to talk about it, talking about what to do about it.
We'll leave here with a plan moving forward.
And yes, I do believe that that's the only way, and I believe that it will happen.
All right, we're going to take a break.
We'll be back with Mike Wharton, chairman of the Southern Cultural Center, SouthernCulturalCenter.com.
Big event coming up in August.
You can be there.
We'll be there.
My son and I, Henry loves going down there.
We'll be right back talking to you a little bit more about it.
We've met a lot of great people throughout TPC's 20 year run, and one of the very first was Michael Gaddy.
He was down on the border with the Minutemen Project back in those days, calling into the studio from a payphone with live reports.
He was fighting to preserve our nation then, and he still is.
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Their motto is resistance to the tyrants never yield.
Shout, shout, the battle cry of freedom.
Our days sail forever, she's never at a loss.
Down with the eagle and up with the cross, we will rally round the body, we'll rally once again.
Shout, shout the battle cry out loud.
That's for you, Ralph, in Arkansas tonight, who requested that one.
That's a great song, the Confederate version of the Battle Cry for Freedom.
You certainly won't hear any version of Battle Hymn of the Republic this month here on TPC, but a lot of other great Southern songs you will.
And how about the Southern accents?
You know, it's interesting as we go from March Around the World in March to Confederate History Month in April, the accents sound a lot different than the guests we had all last month.
And Mike, sure enough, has a Southern accent.
My Southern accent.
Comes out a little bit more when I'm talking to fellow Southerners.
I'm about to sound like Colonel Sanders or.
You know, you're among friends.
Fockhorn Leghorn here if we keep going too much longer.
But we always have a great time with you, Mike, whether you're on the air with us or whether we're together with you at the Southern Cultural Center.
We always broadcast when we're down there from the center.
I have spoken there a couple of times.
You've had a lot of great guests as speakers, or a lot of great speakers that I should say are also TPC guests.
People like John Hill, who will be on.
Next week, as we close out Confederate History Month, he is the closest living descendant of Lieutenant General A.P. Hill.
Reconnecting With The Land00:11:02
You've had just so many.
Sam Dix and Jared Taylor, we did a show with Sam and Jared.
I remember them all sitting there at the center.
We were all together.
Just a wonderful night.
Just great camaraderie.
Very similar to what we do at Dixie Republic.
Michael Hill will be back.
He'll be closing out our Confederate History Month series next week, and he'll be back at the center.
I just want to ask you very quickly, and again, SouthernCulturalCenter.com is where you need to go for all the information, but who is on deck? this year.
Hey, down with the eagle and up with the cross.
That's just beautiful, man.
Hey, Dr. Hill will be here.
Dr. Michael Hill, Pastor John Weaver, Hort McCoy will be back by a very popular man.
And we've just added Pastor Charles Jennings to the lineup, and we're going to have a couple more exciting announcements coming up over in the next couple of weeks or so.
But those right now, Dr. Hill, Pastor Weaver, Hort McCoy, James Edwards, and I'm very excited about having Charles Jennings here, author of Cultures in Conflict.
And just he'll have a beautiful message.
And I've read his book, and I'm rereading it again right now.
We'll have some other noted authors and stuff, and there'll be some surprises, and there'll be a lot of talks about, Southern liberty and the Southern cause.
And it just comes down to one thing, really.
James is which side?
An individual right here in Dixie today, or in the South, or in the country for that matter, to say which side am I on?
You know, and this Dr. Baker that wrote the foreword in Charles Jennings' book, and he says, What I prefer, sinking sand?
Or do I prefer victory, which is assured in Christ?
And I'll tell you, that's the reason I know that we will be successful.
And God's always saved a remnant, and we'll be talking about that tomorrow here in Bible study.
I'm sure it always seems to come up.
But yeah, we're really looking forward to that conference on 14 and 15.
People are welcome to call me also and go to our Facebook page, Southern Cultural Center, and check us out there.
We post all our events on that page as well.
And when they get there, they'll see my cell phone number.
They're welcome to call me at 334 315 9207.
I take a lot of calls.
I look forward to hearing from our friends and people with this thirst for information.
We'll do our best to provide it here at the center.
Let me ask you this question very bluntly.
Can a person be a good Christian and side with the Yankees on their cultural agenda, or do you have to be in line with us here in the South?
Well, I would just add to that, Keith, that we have so many people who tune into this program who were born north of the Mason Dixon line.
I met a guy during the Buchanan campaign.
I'll say his name.
He's also dead.
I mean, so many people that I know and loved are dead now.
His name is Warren Baldwin.
Born in New York, but he moved to Tennessee.
He was a delegate for Pat, as I was out in Long Beach, California.
We became fast friends.
He was in his 70s when I was in my early 20s, but he was really a mentor in many ways.
But he was more Southern than most natural born Southerners.
I'm not saying everybody that's in the North has been infected with the virus, but on the other hand, I don't think that you can really embrace their culture and their attitude.
Well, that's true.
I know, I know.
Be a true Christian.
I agree with that.
I don't see how you can either.
And it's just, you know, if you bought into the empire, like I said earlier, the disciples of Satan is on the empire's thing.
You know, the center is a regional, we've always advocated when we were affiliated with the League of the South.
We're proud of, proudly started out as a League of the South chapter here and involved into the Southern Cultural Center.
Very honored to have Dr. Michael Hill coming back this year.
But it's a thing.
The empire is just a system that is really not the president so much.
They just punch in a new name and move on.
And it'll never work.
And no, it'll never be.
Advocating for a Christian society is the last thing on their mind.
In fact, undermining a Christian society is more on their mind.
It is on their mind.
I'll tell you what's on the mind of Mike Wharton in the Southern Cultural Center at SouthernCulturalCenter.com is restoring Dixie and restoring the faith that Dixie stems from.
And I will say this, having been there as a speaker, and every time we've been there, we broadcast it live.
It is at once being at the very best church service you've ever been to, infused with.
The very best family reunion you've ever been to.
And that's what I feel like when I come to the Cultural Center in Wetumpka, Alabama.
And, you know, Mike, you were on with us a year or two ago, and I got to bring this up.
And it was you were on, but you barely made it on because your heifers had gotten loose and gotten out of the pen, and you had to chase them down.
Yeah.
This is just as real as it gets, folks.
I mean, these are real people, and these are great.
Good and godly people.
And I'll tell you this where you're located at is basically equidistance between Montgomery, Alabama, the capital of Alabama, and Selma.
And Selma needs no introduction.
And I remember being down there with Jared Taylor and John Hill and Brad Griffin and John Friend of the American Free Press.
And we all took a day trip on the Sunday after the conference to Selma.
And Jared did a two part feature for American Renaissance.
He did a written report and a video report.
And that is.
Still, something people should see.
The legacy of Selma.
Anybody that thinks that the civil rights movement was a good thing for black people and has resulted in their elevation needs to revisit that particular two part series.
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, go read the written report or the video report, but it all stemmed.
I mean, that American Renaissance video, I don't even know how many hundreds of thousands of people saw it, but I know this, Mike, zero would have seen it.
Absolutely zero.
Had it not been for you inviting Jared Taylor to speak at the Southern Cultural Center and us deciding to go to Selma as a result of that meeting and putting it out.
And that is, again, we've been talking about it earlier in the first hour, sort of like the organic evolution of good people bringing good people together.
Things just happen that you can't anticipate.
And it's just a wonderful thing.
And you never know what's going to spark and what's going to happen when you go to a meeting, but you have to go in order for it to occur.
So they can go in August.
SouthernCulturalCenter.com.
If people want to attend the meeting in August and they'll be there with us, you and I, how can they do it?
Hey, we'll go online and we'll be posting the restoration there, and it'll also be on Facebook.
There'll be a large mail out taking place here in about a week, but the restoration and everything will be online.
It's not currently out there, but it will be within the week.
And go online and fill it out, email it.
Like I said, if you've got any questions, you can call me about it.
And we look forward to seeing everybody.
I think it's, I hope it will be the biggest one we've had.
We've had just about standing room only, as you know, James.
And hey, plus we're going to feed them good, too.
We'll have a really nice banquet Saturday to go with the program.
And we're really looking forward to seeing everybody.
And it's going to be great.
Well, there's a kitchen in the building, and there's great food.
I can just tell you it is the most at home you can possibly be.
There's great and inspiring speakers.
We have a lot of fun.
There's normally a live band there.
We do the radio broadcast live with audience participation.
My son runs around the property there with other boys that he meets.
And it's just everything you would want from an ethnostate.
It's a glimpse into what we could have.
Exactly.
That's what it is.
It shows what is possible and what we should be striving for.
All right.
We're going back and reconnect with the land.
And that's a tenet of our faith and our belief in our Lord and Savior is our connection to the land.
And that's blood and soil.
One of the things that I talked about with Dr. Hill a long time ago.
And we practice it, things my dad and granddad talked about.
In regards to Confederate History and Heritage Month, I've got a little story to tell about a trip to Louisville, Kentucky.
It took about a minute.
Time for that.
Jane, we're supposed to break.
Although we actually got a break coming up, but sit tight.
If we can work it in a minute, I will carry you over.
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Oh, I'm a good old rebel now, that's just what I am.
For this fair land of freedom, I do not care a damn.
I'm glad I fed against it, I only wish we'd won.
And I don't want no pardon for anything I done.
I hates the Constitution, this great republic too.
Ladies and gentlemen, be ready to say hello to Mark Tommy, a veteran Southern nationalist.
Every time I see Mark Tommy, every time Mark Tommy is on the show, which so often happens at live events at Dixie Republic or elsewhere.
I am absolutely gobsmacked.
He is one of the best of the best at articulating our position as Southern nationalists.
But before we get to him, a quick word from Mike Wharton, our previous guest, chairman of the Southern Cultural Center.
Mark Tommy spoke at the Southern Cultural Center just a couple of years ago.
And Mike, we wanted to have you on for just another minute here, leading into Mark to say hello and to give a parting shot.
Hey, I'll tell you, sir.
I appreciate it.
And I wanted one little thing in regards to Confederate History and Heritage Month.
I had a great great grandfather that was at the Battle of Nashville and also Franklin, and a great grandfather.
But the great great grandfather was captured and carried to Louisville, Kentucky, and buried there.
And he did get a marked grave.
He lived one month after he got to Louisville.
And I had a chance to visit his grave there, as my parents and grandparents had done in the past.
And while I was there and had trouble finding the grave, The caretaker had carried me there, and I wanted him to leave because I wanted to scoop a little bit of that soil off the top of his grave.
And I brought it back to his widow in Coosa County, Alabama, and sprinkled it on her grave.
And I had carried some soil off of her grave and put it on his grave.
And it's just something that we know here at the center about blood and soil and our connection to the land.
And it's something that your next guest knows all too well.
And I've had many conversations with him here at the center.
With the League of the South and a great friend, and I'm glad to call a patriot and a leader.
And you're right, no one could express it any better than Mark Tommy.
And a lot of people are still asking, Mark, I want to go ahead right now and invite you to come back this year.
Dr. Hill is going to be here, Charles Jennings and others, Pastor Weaver and Fort McCoy, and yours truly.
But I'm going to tell you, folks, tonight you're in for a treat in here, and nobody can express it any better than this man right here.
With more sincerity and more truth.
Just a great, great, great man.
Mark, it's good to hear from you.
I look forward to listening to your part of the show, buddy.
Oh, thank you, Mike.
You've set up a tough act for me to follow here.
Oh, I'll be talking with you in a day or two about that invitation, pal.
Sounds great.
I would love to come.
Thank you, Mike.
I'm honored.
And thank you, Mike Wharton, for being with us tonight as part of our Confederate History Month series.
Mark Tommy now with us.
And I have to echo what Mike just said.
You know, we've done some shows at Dixie Republic, Mark, where you have set in on and contributed to.
And by the end of the segment, I'm just thinking, you know, take my job.
You know, just do this show because you're that good.
And it's great to have you back on tonight.
And I listened to that song that we had as your intro music.
I'm a good old rebel.
That's the South Carolina, second South Carolina.
Great old.
String band.
Yeah, string band.
That's right.
And that is, you know, how do we reconcile this?
Because you have been so good in some of these Dixie Republic live broadcasts that we've done.
I've talked to Dr. Hill about it.
I've talked to so many people about it.
How do we reconcile the regional differences versus the global white brotherhood that we want to embrace?
Where do we go with that?
I mean, that is a Broad and general topic, but when I listen to I'm a Girl Rebel, I wish we had killed them all.
I do.
It was our last chance at bat on this continent.
We had one other chance at bat in Europe a few decades later.
But the good guys didn't win.
But here's the thing I mean, I want us to be all one white brotherhood, but at the same time, there are regional differences that in some cases can't be reconciled without surrendering your unique.
Nationalistic approach.
We don't want to kill everybody, but on the other hand, I do think we need to have separate governments.
All right, let's let Mark go.
We've taken too much time.
Mark, take it away.
Yeah, yeah, gentlemen, I agree.
And I've made the argument before, and Dr. Hill's expressed it very well also, is that while all of us who are of European, white European heritage, you know, scattered around the face of the earth, we do.
We are a common family, so to speak, but there is an order of affection.
And if you look at the history of the world, for the greatest part of human history, what we know today is the modern world.
Artificial nation state like France, Germany, even the United States for that matter, for most of their history were not constituted that way.
There was no Germany.
There was Prussia, there was Bavaria, there was Saxony, et cetera.
There was no France.
There was Burgundy, there was Normandy, there was Toulouse, and so on and so forth.
Italy did not exist as a united country.
It was several different separate kingdoms who all had their own kings, their own governments, their own armies.
And so, while we are related through our common white ancestry, as I've argued many times over the years, is that an Englishman knows he's not a Frenchman, who knows he's not a German, who knows he's not an Italian, who knows he's not a Spaniard.
These are all white people, but they have different cultures, different languages, different styles of architecture and food and everything else.
The same thing can be said for the situation we have here in the United States.
We Southerners are different from other white, quote unquote, Americans elsewhere in the so called United States.
We really don't have that much in common with New England or the Midwest or certainly not the West Coast.
And so, you know, it has always been my contention that it makes much more sense for us to go back to the way it was before force was used.
To cobble all these separate, smaller kingdoms together into something artificial, to break it back up into its constituent pieces, and then we can all figure out how to be good neighbors with one another.
The South can rule itself according to its own worldview, moral principles, religious principles, cultural principles, et cetera.
New England can do the same.
The Midwest can do the same.
The Rocky Mountains can do it, and then the West Coast can do it.
That way, here in the South, we don't have to put up with homosexual marriages or abortions or gun control or uncontrolled immigration.
Or any of the other host of things that we here in the South tend to complain about.
We can shut all that down.
But if they still want to have it out in California or up in New York, more power to them.
But it just seems to me to make perfect sense to do it that way.
The problem we face is that for 150 years, we've been saddled with the unity mentality of what America should be, which means everybody in America is forced to be a New England Yankee.
You know, that's what's been presented to the world as America for the last century and a half.
But that, you know, as one fellow that I used to work with said, one size fits all means that it doesn't fit anything.
And so we've tried the one size fits all for a long time, and it seems to have proved to be abortive.
So why don't we go back to individual sizing and individual taste and try that again?
It just seems to make me think.
There's something, Mark.
That is different between the difference between a Saxon and a Bavarian, and what is the difference between a Yankee and a Southerner?
And that is this unremitting hatred that the Yankees seem to have for us and for our intellects and for our way of life and for our folkways, which I think makes it even more important that we break off.
Yeah, and we should return that favor with a vengeance.
You know, it's really heartbreaking for me to see my fellow Southerners trying to.
Change the way they talk, change the way that they think about things, you know, that they want to be like the characters they see on the TV shows and movies that are produced in Hollywood and New York and places like that.
Even where I live here in northern Alabama, it's a fairly rural area.
And, you know, I listen to some of these young kids in high school age, and they don't even talk like they're from Alabama.
They sound like they're from California or New York.
And it's a shame.
You know, we should be proud of who we are.
And we should celebrate that.
And anybody that doesn't like it, we should just tell them that they can go pound sand.
We're not Valley girls, and we're glad we're not.
Absolutely.
We do it like Frankie Valley.
We'll be right back.
Mark Tommy, veteran, Southern nationalist.
We'll let him plug everything he wants to plug next.
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I wish there was three million instead of one.
Take up my mud, scared and fight them now no more.
But I ain't a gonna love them, that is certain, sure.
And I don't want no pardon for what I was and am.
I won't be reconstructed and I don't care a damn.
On this show, when we do this particular month of programming, is and we just touched on it, Mark.
I mean, how do you reconcile the greater European brotherhood where we are all of one blood, we're all brothers and cousins to some extent, versus the regional differences?
And I was talking with Ruben Callop, a former member of the parliament in Estonia, and he was talking about how different the Russians are from Estonians.
Well, from my perspective, there is no difference as an American Southern.
Now, maybe from somebody, it's Perspective in Russia, there's no difference between somebody from Tennessee and somebody from New Jersey, but they just don't know.
And maybe I don't know.
But so at once, we all are of one blood of Western civilization, but we have to maintain these differences.
And when I hear a song like that, I grit my teeth and I clench my fist and I wish we had killed them all.
How do we reconcile all that?
I mean, because our civilization depends on that reconciliation.
Well, I think it's a matter of, you know, the Western world still claims to be Christian for the most part.
And I think that's just part of the Christian understanding of what we used to call Christendom.
You know, I think it's part of God's created order.
He gave all of us our own particular cultures, worldviews, cuisine, and our own particular place on the earth, you know, that we, And not to be homogenized, that was, you know, we need to refer to the Tower of Babel episode in the Bible about what happens when you try to turn us into one world.
But if you get too fractionalized, you allow what has happened to happen, and that is our people are just being completely inundated.
Go ahead, Michael.
Yeah, and that's true.
But by the same token, we talked about this when I was on Blood River Radio the other day, is that, you know, If we could get back to a highly decentralized existence for all of our various people groups to have their own countries,
their own governments, and so forth again, there's no reason to say that the South, as a free and independent republic, couldn't have treaties with the Midwest or even New England, for that matter, to say, hey, look, if anybody comes over here and tries to start anything, we can say that we'll work together for our mutual defense.
Just like we do now with NATO or anything like that.
But at the end of the day, we're still our own independent countries.
We govern ourselves according to our own worldviews and principles and whatnot.
So on a day to day basis, we don't bother each other.
But in the event of danger, we can team up and help each other.
And I think that would make sense and it would work for, say, Europe, Western Europe, if it were like it were back when it was Christendom.
They did that.
If you read the history of Western Europe, when the Muslim armies tried to invade Europe, all these different Christian kingdoms got together and they drove the Muslims out.
But then after the war was over, they went back to their own separate existences.
But we don't have the Christianity that our forefathers did.
It's like I say that a lot of the churches have exchanged the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John for the Gospels of Peter, Paul, and Mary.
And the Gospels of Peter, Paul, and Mary aren't worth defending.
Yeah, and that's a problem, too.
Modern Christianity, for lack of a better way to describe it, has been debauched to a great degree.
And so, you know, there needs to be a return to those fundamental principles of Christianity that made Europe the envy of the civilized world for a millennium.
All right, Mark, so let's get down to it here.
And that is, I can remember one episode with you particularly.
We were in Dixie Republic.
It was our 4th of July.
They always do the Dixie Fest or usually do the Dixie Fest around the first weekend after the 4th of July.
So we were sitting there together having a great show.
So many people stopping by and popping on.
And you and I were talking about the founding of the country.
Which I still wax nostalgic on in some ways.
I think I played a pretty decent rendition of the Star Spangled Banner, which I said, you know, I like that song.
And you were like, no.
So, again, what are we doing?
Where do we need to go from here?
And what organizations would you like to promote in the last few minutes we have before the end of the hour?
Well, I think as Southerners, we have to throw off the homogenized civic American nationalism that's been beat into us through 12 years of government school and through all the entertainment and news that we get.
We have to reject that.
We have to reclaim our own unique identity as Southerners.
We've got to stop identifying ourselves as Americans, especially under the way things have been going for the last.
40 or 50 years with this open borders immigration.
I mean, what does it mean to be an American?
As far as the regime is concerned, an American is any nondescript human being from anywhere in the world who just happens to plant a mailbox here and start collecting government benefits.
And being a Southerner means more than that.
It means blood and soil, it means history and pride.
And we've got to reclaim all of that and throw off all of this false civic nationalism that we've been given.
That's the first step.
Just the other day, I wrote up a little outline for our next podcast on the Southern Nationalist League podcast called Personal Secession, A Beginner's Guide.
And the first part of it is entitled Change Your Thinking.
And it gives some examples of this is how you got to change your thinking about the United States, about secession, and so on and so forth.
And then the second part of it is Change Your Actions.
Start doing these.
Things to personally secede from the regime and not be part of it anymore.
And when enough of us do that on a personal level, we will be able to band together better in a corporate manner under the banner of, say, the Southern Nationalist League, which I have the honor of being the executive officer for.
Yes, yes, yes.
Then we can work towards real world political change by doing what our enemies do mobilize, get out in the streets, get people out to vote.
Until we get to a point where we finally have a box on our ballot that says secession from the United States of America.
Mark, we've had so many great times together.
We were talking earlier about a time we were together at the Southern Cultural Center, also at Dixie Republic, also last year at TPC's Will to Power Conference.
And you were there having, I walked out of the conference room and I saw none other than Mark Tommy having a beer with.
Steve King, Congressman King from Iowa, and we had a great weekend that weekend.
But you mentioned the Southern Nationalist League, and Michael Hill will be closing out our Confederate History Month series next week.
I was with you and Dr. Hill the first weekend after Donald Trump's reelection, okay, just a couple of years ago.
That was a great meeting in Tennessee.
What was the little town we were in?
I should remember that.
Linden.
Linden, Tennessee.
Indeed, my wife came.
It was a charming little boutique town.
Linden, Tennessee, on the Buffalo River.
But we were there, Mark, you and I, and Michael Hill, and others.
He'll be wrapping us up next week.
Tell us about the Southern Nationalist League.
We've got a minute remaining.
Plug it and let people know how to join, how to support.
Yeah, well, the Southern Nationalist League is the heir apparent to the old League of the South that had been around for 30 plus years.
Ended up being laid to rest by the Charlottesville debacle back in 2017.
But we've been resurrected under a new name, the Southern Nationalist League.
Different name, same mission to promote and advance the cause of Southern independence.
And we have a wonderful website that's full of information videos, podcasts, position papers, everything else you could want to spend time reading and viewing to get an idea of where we're headed with the idea of Southern independence.
That website is www.southernatleague.com.
And there's a wealth of information there.
Hopefully, it will inspire people to want to join us.
You can do that through the website.
You can subscribe to the website so that you get regular updates and information about what's going on and what we're doing.
You can subscribe to our publication, The Free Magnolia, which is a little newspaper that we put out about quarterly.
And, of course, ultimately, we would love for you to join the organization.
You know, our motto, so to speak, is reform of the U.S. regime is neither possible nor desirable for we of the South.
We need our independence so that we can control our own destiny apart from this Yankee empire.
So, Mark Tommy, join us.
Yes, sir.
Yes, sir.
Thank you so much for coming on tonight as the music begins to play Southern AT League.
What?
SouthernATleague.com.
I was in the room.
It was a hotel room, a suite.
That's right.
When Mark unveiled this website, I said it is the best looking website on the internet.
It is that good.
SouthernATleague.com.
Michael Hill of the Southern Nationalist League, formerly known as League of the South, will be with us to wrap up.
He's our closer next week, tonight.
Mark Tommy, Executive Director of the Southern Nationalist League.