Feb. 15, 2026 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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Radio Show Hour 3 – 2026/02/14
Radio Show Hour 3 (2026/02/14) features Renee Griffin and Linda Baum discussing multigenerational conservative activism tied to the CCC and Conservative Citizens Foundation, while James Edwards promotes the Interracial Homicide Tracking Project’s 2,000+ documented cases since 2023. Christy frames white male dating struggles as a demographic crisis, citing immigration and hypergamy, before pivoting to Dixie Republic’s Confederate merchandise and Reverend Jim Dowson’s nationalist church. Janice Hamplin argues the Constitution’s signers were treasonous or ignorant, alleging Federalist power grabs like suppressed anti-Federalist voices and Rhode Island coercion, while critiquing its "communist" Bill of Rights. Dr. Virginia Abernathy ties fertility, immigration, and marriage to economic scarcity, advocating mutual sacrifice in relationships amid modern divorce inequities. The episode blends activism, conspiracy theories, and demographic grievances into a far-right critique of governance and social structures. [Automatically generated summary]
You're listening to the Liberty News Radio Network, and this is the Political Cesspool.
The Political Cesspool, going across the South and worldwide as the South's foremost populist conservative radio program.
And here to guide you through the murky waters of the political cesspool is your host, James Edwards.
Well, first of all, let me just say, as we enter into our third hour of tonight's live Valentine's Day broadcast, it's Saturday evening, February the 14th.
Sometimes the bumper music just picks itself.
I mean, you know, really it does.
We couldn't find chatterway, Renee, so we got Walkway.
Yeah, I love that stuff.
I love that song.
That's an old song.
That's an old song.
Renee?
Mom and dad would listen to that.
Well, and it's a matter of, well, we've given away the surprise.
We have a mother and daughter pair in tandem here and longtime friends of ours.
And they both represent, again, and this is a common theme tonight, family and folk and, well, activism, you know, certainly to be sure, and raising healthy families.
And Renee Griffin is our guest.
She is the wife of Brad Griffin of Occidental Descent, who is such a regular on this program.
But before she was Renee Griffin, she was Renee Baum and the daughter of the legendary Gordon and Linda Baum of the Council of Conservative Citizens.
Linda is with us here as well.
But first, we'll say hello to Renee.
Renee, thank you so much for being on the Valentine's Day show.
Like I said to Lydia Brimlow in the second hour, I don't know why we haven't done this before.
Yeah, I know.
You know, whenever you offered me it, you know, I thought, well, why not?
I guess, you know, this is my first time doing it.
I mean, my parents and my dad, especially, have done this stuff my whole life.
So I figured, you know, I'll just, I'll come on here and give it a shot.
It's your turn.
Well, you know, it isn't, I would say, yeah, I guess so in terms of like an official appearance, but I can remember, you know, Renee, we've had a lot of good times together.
Your family and mine, certainly going back to the council days and other conferences I am ran are conferences you've been to with the radio program.
But there was one time I remember being in a hotel room with it was me and you and Brad and I think Michael Hill was in there and maybe David Duke and I can't remember who all those are.
We had a good time that night.
Yeah, yeah, that was years ago.
Yeah, we've had a lot of good times.
I'm very active, you know, in real life and everything.
I'm just I'm never really on programs, you know, or kind of the face of the movement or anything, but I've always been very involved in real life.
And I love, you know, seeing everybody and going to conferences and everything.
I always really enjoy that.
Well, and you're a wildcat too.
I mean, you have been in this forever.
You were born into this, obviously.
You were born into this, but you're not afraid to mix it up and then get out there and let the colors fly.
In fact, you and your mother would be a tag team match.
Well, I tell you, yeah, I mean, they're serious.
And anyway, we love them.
Renee, it's great to have you tonight.
And of course, again, you supporting Brad and his work.
Before that, always seeing you at the council working for that organization.
And your mom is with us tonight, who does make more regular appearances with us.
And Linda, it's so good to talk to you again as well.
Linda Baum, the wife of Gordon Baum, who has gone on to heaven, of course, but for so many years, really, the Council of Conservative Citizens always say this, Linda.
It just had such a huge impact on my role in those formative years with the radio program, speaking there every year, cutting my teeth.
I'll never forget those days.
Some of the best memories I've ever had in all this were with you and your family.
Yeah, we have had a good lot of good times, James.
And you were so young.
I remember when you saw that.
You were just a kid.
You were so young.
Yeah.
Going back, yeah.
I mean, I was 19, 20 when it first started, not much older than that.
Yeah, he's now vying for the title of world's oldest teenager.
But, well, you know, Linda, one thing we always talk about, Renee, I'd like to get you to chime in on this as well.
You know, you know what it's like.
My wife knows what it's like.
My kids knows what it's like.
Your kids knows what it's like to do these, you know, these letter stuffing parties and to plan these conferences.
And Renee, you've been a part of all that.
You've seen how all this works behind you.
I've been doing that.
What do you remember about some of those days, ladies?
Oh, I remember that day.
My earliest.
Go on, mom.
Well, you even had some of your young girlfriends over.
You know, they were just kids, 14, 15.
And we have a pizza party and they'd stuff the envelopes.
And I think you told me my girlfriend during a manual game.
Yeah.
That's so funny because we do the exact same thing.
You know, so my oldest daughter, I've got a 15-year-old daughter, an 11-year-old son, and a five-year-old daughter.
And yeah, my daughter's friends come over and they do the stuffing.
We help, we do.
But now that we've got kids old enough, they can do some of this.
I don't know.
It's just, I always felt so much at home when I was at the council meetings.
And it just, you know, still to this day, we share all these stories.
Brene, what was it like for you to grow up in that environment?
Well, when it comes to the, you know, leather stuffing and everything, some of my very earliest memories was my first job when I was very little.
How old, mom, do you think I was when I was the server, when I would go get people drinking?
Oh, you're probably five or six, maybe.
You're really young.
Yeah, very young.
While everyone else was doing it, but then, I mean, it's a few years later, of course, you know, my parents taught me I was stuffing envelopes and sealing.
And now it's like second nature to me.
Like when I, you know, when I do it again, it's just like, it's just so easy to me because I grew up doing that and stuff.
But I also grew up, I always enjoyed going, you know, to the conferences and things like that.
More than my siblings, really.
You know, I always enjoyed the camaraderie and like meeting everybody and just the whole environment of it, you know, on the politics and everything and just the people and stuff.
I mean, I'm struggling to remember a time that I didn't know you, you know, or Danny, honestly.
I mean, I feel like I've known y'all most of my life.
Well, we have.
And that's what makes this thing so special.
And what makes this show so special tonight?
Well, really, you know, throughout the entirety of our run here is just the relationships that we build and the friendships that we make and how all of these people really are family.
I mean, they don't feel like family.
I do consider y'all family.
Linda, I always tell you that.
And it's the truth.
And it's just special tonight to have a mother and a daughter together on the program.
We've got two sisters on the show tonight.
And it's just, they've all become known to us, of course, through the work that we do and the circles that we travel in.
And so, you know, a lot of those things, a question for you, Renee, and then I got a question for you, Linda.
And that is, first, Renee, you know, all those conferences, all those meetings, you know, I think it's some of the good times.
I remember one conference in particular, we had Sonny Landham on the show, and then he got involved with the council up in Indiana.
Really good meeting up in Indiana that year, and Sonny was there.
But what would you say, Renee, out of all the conferences?
And of course, we had such a good time.
The council moved around its conferences usually.
And then the last few years, we settled in Nashville, and those were just some of the great ones there going over to the bar across the street after the event.
And just so many memories, going to the Ernest Tubbs recording.
Were you there when we went to the bar across the street for some drinks?
I must have been right around 21 when we met that band.
It's the Oakrobe Medicine Show.
Yes.
Yes, I was there.
Do you remember that?
I was there.
We still talk about that.
So Oak Crow Medicine Show, which were the original singers of Wagon Wheel, very famous song.
They just walked into this bar we were at, just sort of as patrons, and then you got on the stage and started singing.
They sang the hit.
Yeah, we were all there.
So these are just singing.
They're very well-known, you know, bluegrass, you know, band.
But they just came in and we were all hanging out at the table.
And I remember I was a fan of them already, you know, and because I like bluegrass type music.
And I went, I walked over to ask them, and they had one of them had mentioned to me that they came in and the deal was like they would get beer all night, you know, if they went up on stage and played, you know, if they just left the grand old opry and it's right there.
So they thought, well, go over there and get free beer and play for some people, you know, and it was just total coincidence.
But I got their autograph, I remember at the time I was very excited to see them.
I was there that night.
I remember that vividly.
That's still one of the stories that comes up on the circuit, you know, that we like to tell.
And so that was actually my question.
Then I got one for you, Linda.
But the question is, Renee, so I guess that would be a great example.
But of all the conferences, all the different years, all the different places, all the different personalities and the different speakers, what would you say is one vivid memory or one of your favorite memories?
I mean, that would probably be maybe it, but besides that one, give us one more.
Then I got questions.
No, I would say the woman that I met, Brad, was probably the most important.
Impactful, yeah.
I vividly remember.
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Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, that was my favorite because if it weren't for that, you know, I wouldn't have my family or anything.
Well, that's a great, that is important to have been said.
You met your husband and you have your children as a result of these conferences and the networking and the people you meet through events like this.
So Linda, same question to you.
Well, you know, that's pretty important to me, too, because that's where I got some of my grandchildren there, too.
So that was in North Carolina, I believe.
Wow.
Renee in North Carolina.
I remember.
It was in Winston-Salem, North Carolina.
And me and my mom were working the table.
And I remember when Brad walked in and, you know, he was already, he's learning with me kind of right away, you know.
Hold on right there.
We want to continue this story in the next segment.
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everybody, to our Valentine's Day broadcast.
Mother and daughter team here, Renee Baum and Renee Griffin.
Renee was just telling us the story, and we've got a sister on the show now from one of our guests in the first hour.
We're going to get to Christy in just one second.
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But Renee, just very quickly, you met your husband Brad through this and all these conferences with your mom and your dad.
And you were telling us about that.
Just before the break of there, I got one more question for Linda.
We're going to get to Christy.
Yeah, it was at a council conference.
It was in Winston-Salem, North Carolina.
Brad was a member of the council.
And Kyle was the one.
Kyle Rogers was the one who invited him.
Why don't you come up to this one?
And Brad decided to, he said he was getting back into it.
He had taken a break from activism and he was getting back into it.
And that was the first conference that he went to.
I worked 10 years apart, nine and a half years apart.
So I was barely 23.
I just turned 23 because I think it was in the summer whenever I met him.
But it happened very quickly because then he, we talked a lot, then he came up to visit me a couple of times, like right away within a couple months.
We were married within six months.
All right.
Brad robbed the cradle, huh?
Well, you got it.
You got to get him, you know, somebody.
I don't know if she was that young, but very quick, Linda.
So two questions.
And then we've got to go to Christy.
We're running a little bit late.
But what did you think about Renee marrying into the movement, so to speak?
And what are your tips for raising a family that turns out right?
I mean, sometimes you can do all the things right and they don't, it doesn't necessarily work, but you were able to raise somebody who stuck to the issues and are continuing to raise another generation in that same thing.
Both my sister and I. Some of us in.
Yeah.
Indeed.
Her sister is too.
She's just very busy with three kids like Renee is.
But I think a lot of it's just inherited, James, really.
But then you've got to stick to it.
You've got to cultivate it, I guess, a little bit.
I don't know.
Just did the best I could.
You have to try to keep them in church.
I surely do recommend that.
I think church is a big, big thing.
Yeah, having a foundation.
Having that foundation that I had being raised, you know, going to Lutheran school, going to church, just being raised in the church like that.
I think that gives a really good foundation, something that's not as abstract as just white, which, of course, we're proud to be white, you know, and we fight for our people.
But you need the foundation of Christ, honestly, you know, and I'm glad that I was raised in faith like that.
Well, one of the most remarkable families I've ever met, and that is the Baum family now, the Baum Griffin family, and as the branches of the tree continue to grow.
And I love you too very much, as I do all the ladies that have come on tonight.
I mean, what a great.
We've never had this many on in a Valentine's Day show.
And I appreciate y'all both coming on.
And Linda, of course, you're still out there working with the Conservative Citizens Foundation, doing just incredibly important work with there.
Not enough people really know how much you're doing, but it is pretty incredible.
And of course, we appreciate that, as you know, so very much.
Yeah, no problem, James.
And we love you too very much.
You and your team.
Well, ladies, next time we'll talk.
I guess next time if you want me to talk, I'll try to think of a topic, a particular topic, you know, to talk about.
We'll definitely do it again, Renee, whether it's in the hotel room with Brad and Michael Hill and all the others like that one time, or if it's here just over the years.
We had a good time that night.
But we always do when we do the remote broadcast at the conferences or wherever we're at.
It's always a good time.
Thank you both so very much and talk to you again soon.
Okay.
Well, a very special.
Bye-bye.
Very special to have a mother and a daughter on the line together.
We were going to have two sisters on the line together the first hour, but our current lady couldn't quite make it.
So we played a little bit of a rearranging of the chairs, and she's with us now.
Christy, it's great to have you.
Matter of fact, you came to mind just a moment ago as Renee was telling the story of the Old Crow Medicine Show impromptu concert, and you were there for that as well.
Oh, who told that story?
Renee.
Renee Griffin was telling that story.
That's awesome.
Yeah, that was a lot of fun.
Well, it's always fun to talk to you and always fun to see you.
I see you every year, at least a couple of times, it seems.
And you've never missed one of our conferences.
And you're just one of the most incredible people I've met.
This whole thing, I could say that about a lot of people tonight, but it's true in every case.
And again, to have a mother and a daughter together, two sisters together.
But Christy is coming in prepared tonight.
And, well, we've already taken too much of your time.
We're running a little late.
Go ahead, Christy.
You tell us anything you want to talk about.
What's on your mind tonight?
Thanks for being with us.
Happy Valentine's Day.
Well, I guess I had two topics picked out.
One was Mexicans with an exclamation mark, and the other was all the single ladies.
And I was going to let y'all choose.
Well, it's Valentine's Day, so certainly we're going to have choice.
Okay, yeah, that was the right answer.
Thank you, Keith.
Yeah, well, we could do Mexicans and all the single ladies, I guess.
Well, if we don't prepare in vain, well, if we only got five minutes, because we are running a little late, it is Valentine's Day, so we're talking about families and relationships.
All the single ladies seems to be a fitting topic.
What do you got?
Well, yeah, I think that all the single ladies is a problem.
It seems like there's, I've noticed a whole lot of them.
Have you?
Have y'all noticed this?
There's a lot of high-quality single ladies out there who are probably celebrating Valentine's alone.
Well, see, we've heard that the problem is all the incel men out here that can't seem to have enough social graces to link up.
You're saying it's the other way around.
There are, well, not well, Christy and I have talked about this before.
I mean, there are some socially awkward young men in our ranks, let's be honest here.
But, well, you know, Keith and I are married now.
Well, you know, Keith, well, Keith, you're saying you're a bachelor again.
So what do you want?
Well, look, I was married until death do you part, a 30-year-plus marriage, three children.
My youngest child has finally gotten through school and is now a practicing doctor.
So I've been there, done that, got the t-shirt.
And, you know, I haven't hung up my spurs yet regarding dating and stuff like that.
Yeah, well, we had Lydia on.
I mean, Peter Brimelow can do it.
You can do it too.
But anyway, we got to get to Christy because we don't have very much time.
But all right, so let's see.
Reset.
All the single ladies.
Now, we had Caitlin on from the Return to the Land.
It looks like a lot of ladies are getting paired up with guys at the Return to the Land settlement.
But short of people wanting to move to Raven, Arkansas.
Okay, so you give us the problem as you see it, Christy, in the prescription.
You got four minutes, no interruptions.
Well, I mean, it's a huge problem.
I think immigration is one of the problems, like for a lot of white females.
I mean, there's all the single ladies, you know.
I mean, women are 52% of the population, men are 49% of the population.
So where are all the single men that are the counterparts, right?
Like, why aren't we talking about that too?
I think Asians, Asian women are a big problem.
I think that they are taking a lot of the white men.
And I think that's a problem for all the single ladies.
It's a huge problem.
I think if we could fix immigration, I think that could tick all the single ladies.
Well, I mean, if we have single people, we're probably not doing our job.
Well, I mean, if you have single people, you're certainly not in an atmosphere most conducive for having children and raising families, right?
I mean, you need to be paired.
We used to have older ladies and men too, I guess, who were matchmakers back in the old days.
Like I remember in that old fiddler on the roof, they were talking about matchmaker, matchmaker, find me a match.
I don't see any of that happening.
And everybody seems to be on their own.
And, you know, another problem is hypergamy.
You know, it's almost genetically bound that women tend to be attracted to men that are, you know, making more money, have better jobs and whatnot.
And that's hard to do now.
We were talking about medical school, for example.
A straight white male can barely get into medical school now.
Everybody else from Roger Devlin's playbook.
But it was, you know, as a female, Christy, how do you see that particular situation?
Do you agree or disagree?
Yeah, well, the matchmaker situation Q brought up.
That's a really big deal.
And yeah, we used to have matchmakers, but now men and women both have to work because they don't have extra time to think about other people.
They're exhausted when they get home.
That's honestly, and we normally spend a little more time on the Valentine's Day program talking about families and relationships tonight.
It's been a little bit different.
Not so much of that.
And that's fun.
Another downside of women working outside the home, I guess, is that they don't have the time to sit there and think about it.
But then again, if a woman isn't married young, she's going to have to survive.
And so therefore she's going to have to work.
So Do you think that this is something that's gotten worse over the last several decades, Christy, as opposed to what it would have been, you know, when Keith was young pup?
Yeah, back when I was young pup, you had to work not to get married.
That's pretty good.
I think that the problem is, yeah, exponentially increased.
What do you think the answer is?
If you could, I mean, obviously, if it was as simple as doing it, it would just be done.
But if you could wave a wand and cast a spell.
Yeah, go ahead.
All right.
Well, this is just part one.
One possible solution is to, I mean, all these crazy things like gay marriage and stuff are legalized.
Polygamy will need to be legalized.
And not that I would join a polygamous family or anything, but really when you look at it logically and you break it down, there's really nothing wrong with it.
And it creates a lot of children.
And that's what we're doing.
Well, there's one place we know where you could go for one of our friends.
It is talking about.
Anyway.
I'm not ready for that, Jeff.
Just put us on her.
Christy, you're leaving us on a cliffhanger because we're out of time.
But food for thought and we'll continue this conversation soon.
I'm so sorry we're running behind.
I'm Keith Peters in Washington.
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But I'm going to give you some of the facts that I had on my first subject.
And if I have time, I'm going to go to my next one.
Here's what we're going to do: you've got ladies' choice.
You let us know what you want to talk about.
Indeed, you've got about eight or nine minutes.
And what I'm going to do is, every time, you know, when you come on, it's like when Christine Lynn comes on.
Well, you know, we're E.F. Hutton.
When she speaks, everybody listens.
Well, that's true, too.
But I'm going to put on my helmet and crawl into my foxhole because when you come on, you always bring the fire like Christine.
And could have Christine on tonight, too.
She's been a great addition.
She's going to be on with us around Easter time.
But was with us back right before Christmas as well.
But Janice, the floor is yours.
We are ready.
Okay.
Well, I'm going to start with a quote from I found in Matthew Henry's commentary.
Passed Laws in Secret00:10:43
But they are willfully ignorant, and therefore, their ignorance will not be their excuse.
And what I'm going to talk about is our Constitution.
As I was going through, as I was finishing up my granddaughter in school, she took a civics class, and in her civics class was this little tiny short paragraph that said the Constitution was a secret revolution.
Every person that signed the Constitution really should have been taken by their state and tried for treason.
But the problem was that there was such a great amount, so many of them had positions of power.
Federalists had positions of power and they were behind it.
So why would somebody want to have a new Constitution?
The problem was, is that the articles actually worked really great.
Every state was its own government.
The federal government that they had was only to it for invasions and things like that.
The problem was that the people that thought that they were the elites and that they were above everybody else.
And that includes, unfortunately, George Washington.
There is a letter that between him and John Jay, and they are sitting there saying those who own the country ought to run the country.
So, but anyway, what they didn't like is in the articles, no law and no tax could be passed unless all 13 of the states agreed upon it.
So, yes, the federal government made a law, then it went to the state.
It only took one state to say, no, we're not going to pass this.
That it was of null no effect.
And there were many people that thought that it was that they couldn't tax the people.
It was all about taxes and having power over us.
And one of the biggest perpetrators of that was Alexander Hamilton.
He's the one that to be let it known, he was Jewish.
I was about to say, yeah, well, what a coincidence.
Yeah.
So he, you know, he and several other elites like John Jay and all these people, Robert Morrison, he's an interesting people.
Somebody wants to really look up him.
He and he stole money during the Revolutionary War that the French gave us and then loaned it back to the Congress.
And nobody wants to talk about the anti-Federalists.
You know, I'm sure you know them, too.
That's it.
That's it.
That can't just be.
So, but the thing is, is they started two years before they had the convention starting to talk to one another.
The letters going back and forth, back and forth between them.
They wanted a new government.
So they, you know, they went to Philadelphia on the pretense to strengthen the articles.
And it was supposed to be, I was always taught that it was for trade between the states.
I think that was probably even a lie too.
So, but it was all done in secret.
And I'm sorry, anything done in secret usually is not good.
Does a man or a woman tell their spouse that they're cheating on them?
No, they do it in secret, see, steal in secret.
So, anything that is done in secret, in fact, even the Bible points that out.
If you're doing something in secret, it's probably not good.
So, they did it in secret.
They wrote it up.
And then they said that any notes on the convention could not be made public for 50 years.
Another red flag, but this is a rotten little piece of information.
So, they went ahead and in every almost every state, they, instead of having it go to their legislatures like it should have, they made little conventions within the states to pass it and then flooded them with federalists, who, of course, passed it.
The last state to join was Rhode Island, and they only did it under due rest because our lovely country told them if they didn't join, we were going to block their ports.
That's a real great start to our country.
We also had the whiskey rebellion, which taxed poor farmers to pay for whiskey they made to sell and to help with their income.
Well, George Washington had a great big, huge winery or whatever he had, and we didn't have to pay taxes on him.
Sounds familiar?
Isn't that kind of what they do today to us?
Little man, you pay taxes, big guy, big corporation.
You can have all these loopholes and get out of it.
So, it did get passed, it went through.
And so, I mean, and you know, one thing, you know, if you remember when you were taught it in school, it was like, okay, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights went at the same time.
Did you both know that the Bill of Rights came in two years after?
And the only reason we got it is because Madison wanted to get elected and he ran on that and then he pushed it.
He really wasn't for it.
He only thought that states were only used, they were only necessary to be subservient to the federal government.
So, he pushed it through.
But the one thing they lacked to do was they gave us no enforcement.
Either one of you, tell me what is the most the amendment that has the most laws against it.
Anybody tell me?
It's an episode of.
Yeah, go ahead.
That one has the most laws against it, but we can't fight it.
You remember what happened in Missouri a couple years ago where they were going to, they passed a law that said that federal government couldn't come in and take people's guns.
And one judge goes, no, that's not true.
I strike that law.
So, you see, we have no, yeah, we have no, no, we have no way to fight it.
Everything that most states before 1973 had abortion laws, mixed marriage laws, all kinds of things.
And, you know, either the federal government or the Supreme Court goes around and says, yep, you can't have those laws.
You must allow this.
So they lied.
Yeah, it is a supremacy clause.
Thank you for pointing that one out.
And the thing is, is they lied during the conventions to get them passed in the state, saying that the Supreme Court would be the weakest link in the whole government.
The weakest and least dangerous part of the federal government, according to, let me see, Federalist number 74 written by Bruce.
Yeah.
Who was actually Alexander Hamilton?
Yeah.
They flat out lied and they knew it.
And in the Bible, it says a three-court is not easily broken.
And they have a three-court.
Who's the pro tem over the Senate?
The vice president.
So that's mixing the presidency with the Congress.
And then Supreme Court nowadays makes all kinds of laws constantly.
So, you know, it was a lie to begin with.
And then another thing I'm going to say is that technically, our Constitution, as far as I'm concerned, was a communist document before there was communism.
If you start researching all the, especially the First Ten Amendments, you're going to find that.
Are we?
Yeah, that's it.
We're out of time.
And listen, for somebody who said you didn't know if you had enough, we didn't have enough time, that is, for these short birth cameos that we're doing this year.
But listen, you were the only one that brought in history and the importance of that.
And we appreciate it.
Hey, friends, it's James.
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Virginia's Long Journey00:11:27
Ooh, you come on like a dream.
Peaches are cream, lips like strawberry wine.
You're 16.
You're beautiful.
And you're mine.
You're rivers and curves.
Oh, wanna go.
Eyes that twinkle and shine.
You're 16.
You're beautiful.
And you're lovely.
Well, and it's hard to believe that this three hours tonight, this ensemble program with all of these wonderful ladies is coming to a close now here and our final segment.
But it was very important to me to do two things.
First of all, well, I guess three things, have this show tonight at all with all of these wonderful ladies.
But I wanted to start the show with my wife, and I wanted to close the show with Dr. Virginia Abernathy.
I mean, I could probably spend the whole time just letting Dr. Abernathy know how much I admire her and love her and appreciate her.
She goes back, she and I go back, we were talking about this earlier today, to late 1999, early 2000, 26 years.
And I have known her longer than anyone who's ever appeared on this program, ever.
And that was such a foundational year for me, that campaign.
And little did I know that that year would change my life.
And Virginia, you were such a big part of it.
And every time we talk or every time I hear your name mentioned, my heart just sort of swells.
And I remember all those days when those early days when it was still ahead of me.
And I'm so thankful that you agreed to close our show tonight.
Oh, well, James, all I can say is that you know how to pitch the Blarney.
And Irish.
You're just an Irish boy.
You're just an Irish boy.
And how interesting it is that it was Pat Buchanan's campaign.
There's another Irishman for you that brought us to know each other.
Indeed, it is fun.
How about that?
And, you know, and since then, of course, you and I have stayed in touch.
And I do remember that year, obviously.
I talk about it just about every month.
Other people call it BS.
But then all the conferences we've been to together, Virginia, since then, you've spoken at our events.
And we've been at other conferences together.
And I can, of course, so fondly remember going up to your house and having a meal with you that you prepared.
And you were signing books of signing copies of your book, Population Politics, for some audience members.
And anyway, just so many memories over the year.
The time doesn't permit us to remember them all tonight.
But of course, you are a Harvard-trained scientist and activist.
And you've been a leading voice.
I'm reading from the back of your autobiography, which is a relatively new addition to your catalog.
Born abroad.
And we covered that with Sam Dixon and you in a full hour-long feature a couple of years ago.
But you've been a leading voice in issues spanning fertility in the United States and the effects of unbridled immigration, including economic damage to working Americans.
And anyway, as I said, I will offered you the opportunity to call your shot the last segment of our Valentine's Day program with the ladies.
It's all yours, Virginia.
Oh, that's very kind, James.
I don't know exactly what I have to add to what's new, but I do want to compliment all the ladies.
This is for us, isn't it, ladies?
And I think the first thing women have to do is congratulate themselves.
And so many women have been brought up thinking that they always have to do for other people.
And probably the only thing I have to say is I think women ought to think of themselves first.
But I think a man should also think of themselves first.
And then they have the strength to do for other people if they think it's worth it.
And so I'm not a great one for self-sacrifice.
I am not.
I am very much for looking after yourself.
And I think you had all died on that.
You talk about this in your autobiography, Virginia, because, of course, the conversation about individualism and collectivism in Western civilization and family planning.
And, you know, are we individuals or are we part of a community?
And, you know, how does the family weigh in, factor in on that and the proper environment, the best environment, I guess I should say, for raising families that are going to carry on our genes and carry on our people.
But, you know, of course, not every woman has the life where they marry young and are taken care of until their dying day.
You write in your autobiography, I mean, you have suffered through divorce, widowhood, and then, of course, remarriage.
And so, you know, your life has had a lot of those obstacles put into it that certainly change, you know, have an opportunity to change a plan.
I'm sure that that's informed your opinion that you were just speaking.
Yes, I think, well, actually, just to get the biography, I was divorced, widowed, remarried, and now I've been married to the same man for 45 years.
And we've been so happy.
And that's because we're both kind of ornery.
You know that old-fashioned word, ornery?
Yeah.
And probably because you didn't have any children, right?
She has children.
She has children.
No, not in her last marriage.
Not in the last marriage.
No, I have four for the first.
But no, I think people can get to know each other.
And so I'm very much in favor of marriage and long-time marriage.
But I don't think anybody should think it's a life of entirely giving.
I think it's reciprocal.
That's what I think.
I just don't want women to live in this myth that they always have to be the ones who give.
I think that it's turnabout.
And I like it that women more and more have an identity that is separate from being married and being somebody's wife.
Well, you know, the no-fault divorce initiative is basically made where the men are doing all the giving, at least in divorce court.
You know, that thing is not a good thing.
Well, that's not fair.
That's not fair.
That's not fair.
I don't like it.
It was about 1930 that things just changed 180 degrees.
Up till then, a woman couldn't even expect to have contact and have much to do with her children.
Everything went to the man.
And then it changed completely, and it was hard for a man to keep track of his children if he divorced.
Plus, he was having to pay heavy alimony, but I think...
Well, he used to say that, you know, the wife, you're a terrible wife, but you're a wonderful mother, so...
So you get the children.
And since you have the children, you get the house.
And then they move their new daddy oh into the house.
And that's what drove some guys around the band.
Well, I think Virginia's on to something.
In fact, I know she is about how it seems like the divorce.
It really did.
It changed 180 degrees.
But I just want to say again, I'm holding a copy, a signed copy, no less, of your book, Virginia, Born Abroad, a Patriot's Tale of Choice and Chance.
We did profile this book with our mutual friend Sam Dixon in a full hour-long feature when it was released by Arctos.
And it is still available at arctos.com, A-R-K-T-O-S, Arctos.com.
And it's just, it's so good to hear your voice.
And I know, you know, typically when you're on, we go 30 minutes or an hour.
And this is an ensemble show where everybody's just making brief cameos to say basically hello in a few words.
But after all these years, you're still so sharp and productive.
And we did a feature in American Free Press that you participated in right before Christmas.
And anyway, it just always delights me when our paths cross.
And I hope it lasts for many more years still to come.
And we want you back.
Oh, absolutely.
You're so kind.
And I hope I am back on your show.
It's always fun for me because you always make it interesting.
And yeah, let's not forget the Blarney.
Well, we have a good time.
You know, you got to have a few laughs.
Well, of course, what I was saying at the beginning of this hour was everything but Blarney.
It was the truth and understated at that with regards to my feelings towards you and the role you've been doing.
It's an honor to be on the show, James.
So thank you so much for having me again and for making me part of your Valentine's Day celebration.
Indeed.
And happy Valentine's Day to you and your husband and to everybody listening here this Saturday night.
And we will certainly do it again soon.
And, you know, you're still out there taking assessment of all the issues.
And of course, your issues have always been carrying capacity.
As we said, population politics and scarcity and all the books you've written, all the research papers, all the incredible career in academia, Vanderbilt University, of course, educated at Harvard and elsewhere.
Spent a long time at Vanderbilt, which is, of course, where you were living and where you're still in the Nashville area, but where you were living when we met and have been there for a while.
But born in Cuba.
It's just a phenomenal story.
If you don't have her autobiography, folks, it's definitely worth reading.
You can get it at arctos.com.
And Virginia, again, happy Valentine's Day to you.
To all of the other ladies who appeared tonight.
I think 11 of them total, if I'm doing my count correctly, it has been an honor.
And by the way, the name of her autobiography is Born Abroad.
She had a little fun with the title.
She did it.
Of course, she does.
She was.
There are two meanings.
I think I still know what broad means.
And I was also born abroad in Cuba.
So I thank you so much for having me and mentioning the book again.
And I wish you all the best.
Indeed.
And we will talk again soon, my friend.
I guarantee you that.
That's a promise.
And again, I appreciate you coming on for such a short appearance without really having a big issue for us to seek our teeth into in long-form conversation as we normally do.
These short appearances are a little more abrupt, but I appreciate you indulging in us again for gracing us tonight on Valentine's Day, closing up our Valentine's Day program.
For all of the ladies who appeared tonight and for Dr. Aberdan himself, for Keith Alexander, my co-host, James Edwards.
We'll talk to you next week.
I don't know if we're going to have as much fun next week, but it'll still be worth tuning in.