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Nov. 16, 2025 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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Radio Show Hour 1 – 2025/11/15

We present a live report from the annual American Renaissance conference, featuring on-the-scene correspondents Eric Orwoll, Rick Tyler, Greg Johnson, Roger Devlin, and Linda Baum.

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You're listening to the Liberty News Radio Network, and this is the Political Cesspool.
The Political Cesspool, known across the South and worldwide as the South's foremost populist conservative radio program.
And here to guide you through the murky waters of the Political Cesspool is your host, James Edwards.
I'm going to tell you right now, folks, we are going to have a lot of fun tonight.
This Saturday evening, November the 15th, coming up a little later in the broadcast, Lou Moore, our good friend, Ron Paul's former campaign manager and chief of staff in Washington for many years.
He's going to break down the winners and the losers of the longest shutdown of the federal government in U.S. history.
He's going to talk about redistricting and Trump's, well, let's just put it curious week.
That's coming up in the second hour.
In the third hour, Fergus Hodgson is a geopolitical publisher and a financial economist.
Going to talk to him about Venezuela and other issues pertaining to Latin America in the third hour.
But first, right now, in fact, we go live to the floor of the annual American Renaissance Conference over the course of our first hour together.
We're going to have no less than five correspondents on the scene reporting from this event as it is taking place around them.
And first, and what a great first guest tonight, Eric Orwal, of course, co-founder of the Return to the Land Project.
Eric was here in Memphis, in fact, in the studio a little earlier this summer for the full three hours.
Got a lot of great feedback from that.
He has been everywhere this year and is truly one of the biggest stories our movement has put forth this year.
He is really a remarkable guy.
And he spoke today at Amrin, and we go to him now.
Eric, thanks so much for stepping away from the festivities.
I know they're getting ready for the banquet dinner right about now and for being with us tonight.
How are you?
Sure thing.
Yeah, glad to be with you.
I've really enjoyed the conference this year.
I think for me, it's going to have to be an annual tradition.
My first conference was last year, and it's just so important to actually meet the people who make up our movement and make those connections.
Yeah, and I think the reception was very good for our message with Return to the Land.
People are visiting our table that we've set up, taking our brochures.
We actually brought paper applications, so we've gotten some new members just over the course of this conference.
It's going very well.
Well, you were one of the early speakers today, if my notes are correct.
And we have been in touch with people all day there.
And we did not make it this year.
We're working on some other projects.
But I was talking to Jared.
Jared was in Portugal last weekend, and now he's there.
There is so much happening, Eric.
And of course, in a lot of ways, you're at the very center of it with your project, at least in terms of interest and in terms of enthusiasm.
Share with us a little bit about the talk that you delivered this morning.
Well, sure.
I tried to make it clear exactly what our framework is, assuage some fears that people have tended to have that we don't know what we're getting ourselves into.
We're fully aware that there will be probably a legal battle in the future.
But the way that we've structured this, either they attack us and we ultimately lose, but that sends a powerful message and I think will ultimately help the movement.
Or I actually believe more likely we end up winning and defending our right to freely associate, in which case, this may be the model that ends up being adopted just as it was years ago in Irania or is currently being adopted in the UK by the Woodlander Initiative.
So I kind of described the technical details of the model, the overall big picture politically, the timeline, kind of instilling that sense of urgency that realistically we have three years where we can grow unfettered because the first Democrat administration that gets in is very likely to throw the hammer down on us.
So the more precedent we can set, the larger we can grow while the climate is relatively favorable, the better our outcome will be.
I also tried to stress just how important it is to live up to our values.
You know, we are white identitarians because we love white people.
We love our people.
And you can't do that remotely.
You have to know people and make real relationships and ultimately form communities.
If you are a white nationalist, white identitarian, you want there to be more white people, and we need communities to create more white people.
It sort of should go without saying.
So, yeah, just kind of stressing we can make these changes now.
We actually can live up to our values now.
And is there some risk in pursuing this course?
Of course.
But also, doing nothing is risking far more, I'm afraid.
You have been so identifiable this year.
You've had a lot of success and a ton of publicity, and you've really weathered it all like an old salt.
Just so seasoned in your appearances, as I've said, you have been all over the landscape this year on both friendly and not-so-friendly media broadcast alike.
You present your case with poise and intelligence.
And I'm wondering what the reaction was to your talk this morning there in the flesh, which it's always a packed house at Amran, hundreds of people there.
What was the reaction and the reception and the questions that you got in the immediate aftermath, those first few minutes after your talk?
Well, I didn't allot my time very well, so I actually used all of it up for the speech so there were no formal questions.
But people came up afterwards asking some technical things and some big picture concepts, but everyone seemed very friendly.
People stood up, which is a good sign generally when you give a talk.
I've not really given many in-person speeches.
I think this is my third speech to a large gathering.
And it's a little odd, not something I'm comfortable with yet or used to.
But yeah, I think really the message speaks for itself.
It is so common sense.
It's something that Jared Taylor knew was necessary 30 years ago.
He's been talking about it for decades.
And I guess the time has finally come where we are kind of sobering up as a movement.
We're realizing that we have to take accountability.
There's going to be no savior on a white horse riding in to bring us back to the 1950s.
We are where we are, and we have to deal with the hand that we're dealt.
And I think people really get that today.
I know that both you and your co-founder at Return to the Land have a booth there.
So you were not only there in attendance.
You were not only there as a speaker, but also as someone offering a recruiter.
You had a recruiting table or at least an information table where people could come and get that information.
And that's wonderful as well because, of course, what you're doing is so unique.
And so very quickly, what is that website again for people to inquire further?
Sure.
Returntotheland.org.
The process is very simple.
You fill out an application, schedule an interview.
There's a $25 lifetime membership fee.
And then you're in our chats.
You can become apprised of the various projects that are ongoing.
We have very active groups in the Pacific Northwest, in Tennessee, in other parts of Appalachia, and, of course, the Ozarks, where our current community is located.
It's an amazing thing.
Jared was there with you a few days ago.
And of course, you're there now at the Amerin conference, as you just mentioned.
You made your first visit there last year.
And then, of course, this year, your second visit, first as a speaker.
There's never anybody there that just lays an egg.
All of the speakers there are always wonderful.
I'm looking at the lineup for this year.
Most of these folks are on my Christmas card list.
So I wouldn't ask you to say which ones were really a standout inso much as that they outshined one of the other speakers.
I'm not asking that, but which of the other speakers, your fellow speakers on the podium today or behind the podium today, said something that sort of piqued your interest?
What would be one thing you would impart from the ground there on the scene to the audience about somebody that said something or delivered a message that interested you?
Well, I really enjoyed Mark Colette's remarks.
He had to phone in, you know, because he wasn't let into the country, unfortunately.
But just the outside perspective on who we are as Americans and how exceptional really our people has been and that sense of pride.
But also Greg Johnson, you know, I'm a huge fan and have been for years.
And I like his kind of call to remember our more aristocratic virtues and where we come from and that sense of honor, which I think many people have lost.
We live in this kind of bourgeois age.
And so those two things I think really stood out to me.
You mentioned Dr. Johnson.
Greg will be on with us a little bit later this hour.
We were really trying to go straight to the top with this.
Eric Orwal, Greg Johnson will be on.
Roger Devlin, another speaker he will be on later this hour as well, and others.
And it's just always such a good time.
With about a minute remaining, Eric, I just want to thank you again, my friend, for stepping away from a party to go out into the hall and call into a talk radio show.
What's happening right now?
What are you seeing?
What's the atmosphere like?
Well, I'm outside the conference center right now.
People are kind of sitting around, mingling.
We're on a break.
The bar is about to open.
So there's anticipation about that.
Well, I do imagine there would be.
And I will let you get back to it, brother.
And thanks again.
And we will talk again soon, I am sure.
And hopefully before Christmas, if God wills it in Jesus Terries.
Thanks again, Eric, for stepping out and being the first of a series of correspondents live from tonight's Amerin conference.
It is at full tilt right now, about 45 minutes to the east, excuse me, rather to the west of Nashville.
We've all been there.
Beautiful facility.
And Eric is there now.
We're going to let him get back to it.
Thank you, Eric Orwal, and God bless you and best of luck to you going forward for the rest of the year and well beyond that.
Thank you, James.
All right.
We will talk again soon.
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But before it does, let's say hello to Keith Alexander, who's here tonight as well.
And Keith, good to see all these conferences going on.
We had ours earlier this year, and the movement calendar is filling up.
There's no longer just one or two.
There's many, and oftentimes they overlap.
Seeds have been sown and everything's in full blossom right now.
But when we come back, it is.
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We got the sails going down.
We'll be right back.
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I am telling you, folks, it's going to be fun tonight.
It's already fun.
It's already been fun.
First hour, excuse me.
Well, we're in the first hour.
Yes.
First segment, Eric Orwal.
Later this hour, you're going to hear from Greg Johnson, Roger Devlin, our old and dear friend, Linda Baum.
Second hour, Lou Moore on redistricting on Trump's Curious Week on the into the government shutdown.
Third hour, brand new guest, first-time guest, Fergus Hodgson.
Going to be interesting.
We're going to be talking about Venezuela.
We're going to be talking about things in Latin America.
Super interesting guy, first-time guest making his debut on TPC tonight.
But first, one of our regulars and a guy that I go to anytime I can possibly get him on.
If there's ever a reason that I can have the ever loquacious and most well-spoken Rick Tyler on the show, if I was as well-spoken as Rick, I would have made something of myself in this life.
But thankfully, he is with us tonight, and he too is at Amrin again, and he is live from the floor of this annual confab.
Rick Tyler, welcome back.
Thank you, James.
It's a pleasure and an honor to be with you.
It's a great conference, as usual.
No surprise.
When Jared Taylor puts on an event, it's always five stars, top-notch, you know, the solid gold.
Well, tell us all about it.
Break it down.
Of course, we had Eric Orwell on a moment ago, and I wanted to focus with him about his particular talk and, of course, his organization.
And of course, some general observations as well.
But with you being such a utility guy as you are, always good to come in.
You're a plug-and-play guy.
We have you on and you always can talk about anything with great authority.
So break down this entire conference.
For those of us in the audience who were not there this weekend, tell us everything we missed starting last night and proceeding to the current moment.
Okay, well, last night, of course, things let off as is customary.
You know, Friday evening, there's the preliminaries and introductory type activity.
And it went well as usual.
Of course, the meat of the program is always on Saturday.
And of course, everything runs with precision timing at an American Renaissance event.
You can always count on everything starting up right when the time scheduled is.
And today was no exception.
It's been just almost a dizzying array of great contributors and speakers.
One thing that really stands out, of course, and continues to seems everywhere we turn right now is the Patriot Front.
They are represented here at this meeting today by one of their very stalwart behind-the-scenes type guys who had to step in today and speak for the leader of the group.
But of course, he did a great job talking about the things that they're doing on a hands-on, practical level there in Texas and throughout the country.
And so that was really great.
But early in the day, Jared ordinarily doesn't really lead off with his talk, but he did today.
And it was really good that he did because he set the tone and he presented a very balanced perspective of optimism, but also realism as to where we are right now.
He went through a litany of things that have happened since the Trump term has begun, this next term of Trump that we're in the midst of right now.
And really laid it out very effectively.
Again, not too overly optimistic, but still acknowledging the good things that have happened.
And he was followed by Eric, of course, of the Reclaiming the Land effort and group.
And they, of course, have representatives here as well at a table.
And that's another amazing, along with the Patriot Front, the advent of and the evolution and development of this organization.
And I think some people, when they first heard of Return to the Land, they might have thought that this was some novices or new guys that just kind of stumbled into the whole scene of what we're doing and have been doing for so long.
But it turns out there are quite a few people with a lot of depth, a lot of experience, a lot of knowledge.
And the more you learn about the Return to the Land, not just the effort itself, but the people that are the driving force, it just becomes all the more astonishing and amazing to witness this going on and the plans, of course, to replicate it in many other locations.
So those two back-to-back, Jared Taylor and Eric Orwell, was really a very, very effective beginning for the conference.
And of course, also Mark Collette, who's British and couldn't come to the conference, you know, because of the restrictions he's under.
You know, I got to say something about, Rick, very quickly about that, because you've attended the last couple of TPC conferences where we attempted to get Nick Griffin over here, and twice he, too, was blocked.
So there seems to be a fad going on with that.
Yes, definitely.
And it just, me, personally, it makes me all the more thankful that we don't have it as bad as our brethren do in Europe.
As bad as it is, you know, we, I think we are the ongoing residual beneficiaries of what the framers of this republic gave us in the Bill of Rights and the way that they codified certain things in our organic founding documents because we're not under as draconian oppression like our brethren in the European sphere are.
And Mark Collette nevertheless gave a stirring, just inspiring talk.
It was brought to us over video screens.
And sometimes there's nothing like someone being there in person.
In another way, you know, to see somebody who's willing to endure what he's enduring and still be so dedicated, so committed, so willing to pay whatever price is necessary, you know, to fulfill his calling, it was just extremely well received and standing ovations and the whole nine yards.
So, you know, it just kept on, you know, as the day progressed.
Bradley Fisher, again, from the Patriot Front, you know, gave a very informative and, you know, very thorough talk about some of the things they're doing and strategies, et cetera.
And then, of course, Greg Johnson with Countercurrents, extremely intelligent, gifted man, prolific writer.
He gave a very, very good talk today.
Very educational, very inspirational.
Of course, Jared also does the question and answer type thing after every speaker, and it never fails.
Some people will emerge from the audience that ask very penetrating and very illuminating questions, and then that gives the speaker the opportunity to move forward from where they left off and even elucidate more inspirational insight and information.
So, I mean, James, I always try to give maximum credit where credit's due and have high regards to the fullest extent for Jared Taylor.
And it seems like every conference is better than all the previous ones.
And that almost gets cliché-ish, but I will have to say, you know, this one is hard to beat.
I can't think of past conferences that would beat this one.
Rick, this is Keith Alexander.
Good to hear you're here.
What was said about Trump's term thus far about the pluses and minuses?
Well, Rick, if you don't mind, my friend, before you answer that, I have a couple of excerpts from Jared's talk that I would like to read because I think, as you mentioned a moment ago, he gave a very good talk, but it was neither over the top or it wasn't too hot or too cold.
It was just right in terms of where our perspective, I think, like Goldilocks and the three bears.
Yeah, our perspective as pro-white advocates should be, and this is what I have gathered.
Jared Taylor speaking on the American experiment, which he declares a failure.
However, he nonetheless has high praise for President Trump, noting his shutdown of illegal immigration, the cutting of the FBI ties with the ADL and the SBLC, and the admission of white South Africans.
Jared Taylor says that much of what he's saying may seem dark, but he is more optimistic than he has been in 35 years.
And I quote directly from the speech, Rick, that you saw live and in person.
When we have enough people, the pieces of the puzzle will start fitting together in ways we haven't even imagined.
So it was a good balance, I understand, Rick, of optimism tempered with realism, but the forward projecting forecast is still favorable for our people.
So says Jared Taylor.
Yes, and the question was posed to Jared and other speakers whether or not people think that Trump actually makes his own decisions.
And basically the consensus, I think, is that to a large degree, he does because he does so much kind of spur of the moment, spontaneous.
He would be a very difficult one to get to follow a script or a teleprompter, how Trump will frequently veer off course on his speeches even.
So that accrues to our benefit because sometimes he's just struck with an impulse and he acts on it.
Now, on the other end of the spectrum is that there is a randomness and a chaotic aspect, you know, to Trump's behavior.
And, you know, sometimes, you know, that can be problematic.
But yes, Jared was very, very striking that, you know, very, very delicate balance there.
I, you know, every year I also enjoy Sam Dixon always closes the event.
And Sam is always, you know, more negative than positive in terms, and he will readily acknowledge that he and Jared differ.
And it's easy to lean in Sam's direction because there is so much negative going on.
But at the same time, there is this tremendous wave of awakening.
And of course, it's very inspirational to see all of the young people, which there's a great representation of younger individuals at this conference.
It seems like every conference, more and more, we're seeing a lot more young people, and that can't help but be encouraging.
But at any rate, I think that is a highlight of the event thus far is, again, it's not Whiteville, it's not Blackville.
It's just right down the middle.
You know, it's that perfect balance.
And I think that's good because we don't want to look at things through rose-colored glasses.
But at the same time, if you don't have an element and a sense of optimism, you know, that that could be devastating to our effectiveness moving forward.
100%.
The balance is important.
That's, you know, Sam, we didn't want to get too drunk on the good feelings that we had back in May at TPC's Will to Power Conference.
So we got Sam in there to mitigate that.
He did a great job of it.
Now, listen, he's great.
I've had him at every conference.
Thank you so much, Rick, for sharing your testimony tonight from the Amrin.
We'll be right back with Greg Johnson.
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Well, welcome back as we continue this first hour with live on-the-scenes correspondence from the 2025 Amren Conference.
You heard from Eric Orwald earlier.
You will still hear from others, including Roger Devlin, this hour.
But right now we have Greg Johnson, our friend.
Greg has been all over the map in recent weeks.
I saw Greg just last month in Texas.
He had two or three events in Texas and he's been in California.
Now he is in Tennessee.
Just a couple of hours from our studio tonight, live at Amrin, where he spoke earlier today.
Greg, it is great to have you back.
How are you doing?
And what are you seeing right now there on the floor?
Well, I had a great time.
Thank you for having me back.
I'm seeing a bunch of good-looking, happy young people socializing and talking about reality as opposed to the sort of nonsense that young people are supposed to talk about these days that carefully avoids anything real or important.
So yeah, I'm having a really great time.
I read with interest some excerpts from your talk today, and I would like for you to just break that down quickly before we go to Roger Devlin.
And again, Greg is, of course, well, he needs no introduction.
He is the editor-in-chief of Countercurrents, counter-currents.com and prolific author.
Everybody knows Greg, Countercurrents.
What more do I need to say?
But you spoke today at Amran, and you argued that white extinction is not some natural development, but the predictable consequence of deliberate political decisions, which can therefore be reversed.
Just that alone, Greg, piqued my interest.
But then Kevin Deanna, who was live tweeting a lot of the speakers today, quoted you by saying, if you refuse to participate in politics, this is from your speech, you are just a plaything of the people who do.
When you realize that, you need to join a collective to force other people to leave you alone.
You are no longer a libertarian.
Let's take those two comments and let you run with it.
Break down your talk today for the audience who couldn't be there.
Well, the purpose of my talk today was basically to give people arguments for dealing with the folks who didn't come, I guess, and the kind of people who would say, you shouldn't go to Amran.
You shouldn't talk about things like race or IQ or diversity or globalization, even under a fake name, even on the internet, because if somebody finds out, they could ruin your life.
And the argument I basically made was, look, we have to understand how do people think that your economic life, which is what they're really talking about, is life itself.
How do we constrict our horizons to think that there's nothing more to life than economics?
There's nothing more to being a human being than being a producer and a consumer, that there are no things that are more important than comfort and long life, and that therefore it's some hideous form of madness, some unfathomable perversity that would cause people to actually say, I'm standing up for principle and I don't care what the consequences are.
So I really wanted to just get people to think about what had gone on there to make us so diminished as human beings that we can be basically enslaved by anxieties about our economic security and stuff like that.
That was the main thrust of the speech.
I did talk about how that's an essentially apolitical idea of life, and that the best example of that is just libertarianism, which basically just takes economic man and tries to universalize it, tries to make, it projects a world where there are no borders, there's no need for even governments in some versions of libertarianism.
It's totally apolitical.
And that's just false.
It's a false reduction of human life, an oversimplification.
And I talk about the Declaration of Independence.
And a lot of people think, well, this is the philosophy of the Declaration, life, liberty, happiness, safety.
That's one of the capitalized words in the Declaration, one of the things that government's supposed to make us safe.
But none of the men who fought that revolution or signed the Declaration were playing it safe.
There was something more to them than that.
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And you can understand that by looking at the very end of the declaration where they pledge their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor.
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And if they're not treated that way, they're willing to throw down.
They're willing to risk their lives in a war with the king and form a new government.
And that's the kind of ethic that we need to have if we're going to change the system that we're under today.
So that's really what I focused on.
Well, and you also said this, and that is that there is a certain type of white people who are not very good as revolutionaries and not even as conservatives.
Whereas leftists are willing to kill and die.
They are willing to do anything to win.
In some cases, our people are not.
The party that is willing to risk more has an advantage.
Where do we need to be?
And last question before we go to Roger Devlin.
We'll let Keith chime in on this.
We've got to get to Roger, but I want to give you the final word on that, and then Keith has a follow-up retort.
But where do our people need ⁇ how should our people conduct themselves right now and going forward into the very near future?
Basically, we need to stop being so afraid of losing our own personal comfort and security and start being more willing to risk those for the greater good of our race and our society,
because that's the only way we're going to break out of the trap that we're in right now, where we are being slowly ground down, slowly basically genocided by a system of government that counts on our short-term material interests to maintain compliance to an evil system where we have no future.
So we have to stop being these sheep.
And fortunately, we haven't been genetically altered and turned into sheep.
What's happened is our ethics has changed, and we have embraced an ethics of playing it safe rather than being heroic.
And we need to go back to being heroic.
We wouldn't have had the United States of America without people who are willing to put their lives, fortunes, and lives and fortunes on the line.
And we're not going to have a white homeland again unless we become those kinds of people again.
Greg, Keith Alexander here.
You know, censorship is a tricky thing.
You cannot just censor yourself regarding your actions.
Most of the people that I see that advise you to censor your actions basically not only censor their own actions, they censor their own thoughts.
They are totally uncomfortable with even thinking about white identity issues and things like this.
And, of course, that is the road to nowhere or the road to destruction and extinction.
All right, before you answer that, Greg, I would just, Liz, beyond the glass here, Liz, if you could go ahead and get Roger queued up on the phone.
Roger Devlin is next.
Greg, answer that when we get – okay, we're going to get Roger on the phone.
Greg, you answer that.
And we would remind you folks to go to counter-currents.com.
I am there every day.
Every day I go there to read the latest post.
You should go there too and support the work.
Greg, final word to you on this while we wait for Roger.
Well, you know, again, we just have to stop listening to the people who say you're going to ruin your life.
You're going to ruin your life by speaking the truth.
You're going to ruin your life by standing up for what's right.
There's more to life than the kind of life that can be ruined that way.
And we need to quell that voice inside ourselves.
We need to ignore the people who are like that.
The people who signed the Declaration of Independence, the people who fought the war for independence.
I'm sure there were people in their lives who said, you'll ruin your life, and they were ignored.
There were some people who probably listened to that kind of advice, and they didn't get involved, and history doesn't remember their names.
So let's try to be the sort of people who are worthy of being remembered by history.
And unfortunately, that requires that we take some risks because we're up against incredible evil.
And evil is not going to go quietly.
They're going to have to have their fingers prized off the levers of power by people who are willing to go hard and take risks.
Not at all.
Greg, let me ask you this real quick, Greg.
Did anyone speak about secession or the necessity for secession today?
Jared talked a bit about that.
Jared believes that America is finished as a white man's country and that we need to maybe carve off a little chunk of it somewhere.
So he did speak of that.
And then Eric Orwald did speak about creating white communities within the current system.
So that's just kind of internal secession.
It's not a complete political secession.
But so that topic did definitely come up.
It's like Kevin Dean said, you know, if we can wield state power with our own hand, we are for a centralized government.
If we are the ones that are being oppressed, we are for secession.
And I fall in that even as the son of a Confederate veteran.
I love my southern patrimony.
I am a secessionist at heart.
But first, I am, what is good for our people?
If we have control of power, I want to crush the left.
I want to use a centralized state to crush our opponents.
If we are on the other end of it, I want to secede.
Because on the other hand, just let me say this.
I don't think we'll ever have anything like a modicum of peace until we do secede.
And had we seceded successfully back in the 1860s, I doubt that we would have gotten into either World War I or World War II.
We'd have half the money, half the resources, half the manpower, and would not have attracted all this attention of people trying to rope us into their wars.
We've got to get to Roger.
Thank you so much, Greg.
Last thing.
Can I just say one quick thing?
Years ago, I talked to Sam Francis about this issue, and we talked about the partitioning the country.
And I said, Sam, if we had the power to partition the country, we would have the power to keep it all for ourselves.
And he looked at me with this very satisfied look.
Yes, if we have the power to partition, we would have the power to keep the whole thing.
So my inclination is if we get that power, we should just be maximal in our demands.
But thank you so much.
No, thank you.
Thank you, Greg.
I appreciate it.
Get back.
Enjoy the party.
I heard from Eric Orwald that the bar was about to open.
Enjoy the rest of your night.
And we will talk to you again soon, my friend.
Next up is Roger Devlin.
Yeah, thank you.
Do we have Roger?
I am here.
My phone's a little skeptical.
It was flashing me messages that said, scam likely.
So you better tell us.
True words were never spoken.
Yeah, that was us.
You are not a scam, James.
No, not at all.
Yeah.
All right.
Well, unfortunately, it cut in a little bit into our time, that little mess.
Well, you know, I tell you what, the left is at us in any way they can get us.
Now we can't even make a phone call.
Well, anyway, Roger, you were the last man added to the roster this conference, and you spoke on patriotism is racism.
I will speak.
I am speaking tomorrow morning.
Oh, indeed.
I was intending to tell you all about the great speeches that Greg Johnson and Eric Orwell gave.
You don't make this easy for your guests sometimes.
These guys are tough acts to follow.
We got them both on already.
Yes, indeed.
Well, I'll tell you this.
And I don't want to get too much into my talk.
The title obviously was intended to be provocative.
And in case anybody is curious, the phrase patriotism is racism came from a sign that I saw an antifa waving a few years ago.
And it set me to thinking.
So I'll have some things to say about that tomorrow.
And you will be able, the speech will certainly be posted somewhere, probably Amran, but if not, one of our sites.
So I don't want to try to say about it.
Okay, no, no, no.
If you haven't spoken yet, if you're on the Sunday ticket there for the speakers, we don't want to give away the store before those who have bought tickets can see it.
But tell us, all right, we've got a little bit less time than we had intended with you.
But with about three minutes, tell us your takeaways from the conference.
You are a guy who has spoken at conferences.
You speak continuously at conferences all over the world.
So when we ask your opinion, your critique of a conference, you are an expert in being able to deliver exactly that.
So what have you felt?
What have you seen?
What are your takeaways from this particular conference with this particular lineup at this particular time?
Well, James, you know, I can boast that I've been to every Amran conference, I think with one exception, since 2004 when Sam Francis spoke, you know, the old days.
And this is a very good conference.
It's very well attended.
We got a lot of families.
One difference I did notice is that the protest is very paltry this year.
In the past, the protesters have had like all day events with speakers of their own and big mobs with all of them carrying giant signs.
And this time, I think most of our people probably didn't even see them.
The only reason I noticed is I went back to my room after lunch and opened the window to get some fresh air.
And I heard this bullhorn in the distance cursing us out.
But it was a really small gaggle of people.
So just as our movement seems to be going from strength to strength now, the other side seems to be dwindling.
They only stayed for about an hour and left.
Well, that was a big lawsuit, a big point of contention, not just about 10 years ago, that Amrin would have to pay for the security presence of basically mounted cavalry.
I mean, I remember going to the 2016 Amerin conference, and there was a veritable army there of multiple different law enforcement agencies to keep the peace.
That is not the way it is anymore.
I mean, there's still some security, but the protests are not anywhere near it used to be.
They are ebbing, and we are flowing.
That is correct.
And we were, you know, we just had to give our names to some state troopers.
There were no checks.
There were no, like, you know, frisking for weapons or anything like that, as there have been some years in the past.
It was all very low-key, and it was all just done by the very polite Tennessee state troopers.
Well, Roger, we got a minute left with you.
We got to get to Linda Baum.
We have talked to Eric Orwal, Rick Tyler, Greg Johnson.
Now, Roger Devlin, Linda Baum, still waiting in the wings.
We are scrambling.
We are a little bit behind, but we want to give our fair due.
We've had three, no less than three of the speakers on the Amrin podium on the Amrin stage this weekend here with us tonight.
And Roger, one minute remaining.
Final word to you.
And Liz, let's go ahead and call Linda.
Oh, I didn't even know Linda was here.
I would have said hello myself.
But you can still do so.
It's not over.
Yeah, okay.
I'll keep an eye out for her.
I do go back to the days when Gordon was running the Council of Conservative Citizens and all that.
Yeah, I'm a veteran now.
It's a wonderful atmosphere here.
I guess you heard we had a comedian who gave a partly funny but pretty serious talk the first night.
That was quite interesting.
We had some other fill-in speakers, a young fellow from Australia who had a lot of interesting things to say.
So yes, Leonardo Joni, if I'm pronouncing that correctly, was there on Friday night, former liberal feminist, now right-wing comedian and white advocate.
So that's interesting.
She told us her red pill story, yes.
I like the looks of her picture there, too, at the Amrin website.
So anyway, I'm sure she had a lot of attention.
Roger, thank you so much.
Listen, I know that you had sent me an email a couple of days ago.
There's been an advance on the issue that you and I last talked about a month ago.
We'll get to that and its civilizational impact in time.
Women are marrying unreal men, imaginary men, yeah, created by AI.
So we'll talk again soon, James.
Yes, sir.
Enjoy the rest of your night, Roger Devlin.
Thank you so much.
We go now to Linda Baum.
Linda, we close this hour with you.
We've had four.
Now you are the fifth and final guest.
We're running a little bit late tonight, but I certainly wanted to get to you.
And Roger just made mention.
You didn't hear it.
I don't think you were on the line yet.
He just paid homage to the legendary Gordon Baum.
You know that guy.
Very nice.
I know him.
You know that one.
Linda, of course, Gordon's wife and Gordon has gone on to his eternal reward, but we all still remember so fondly the wonderful.
And for me, coming into this movement, I was basically baptized at the Council of Conservative Citizens conferences.
I believe the CFCC may have been the first time I ever spoke publicly outside of the Buchanan campaign.
So, I mean, it played a fundamental role in so many people's evolution.
Roger was paying respects to that when he heard that you were coming on next.
And Linda, you've been to so many conferences.
You've planned so many conferences.
You're at another Amrin tonight.
What are your takeaways from this particular event?
As you, the veteran you are, nobody could give a critique that matters more to me than you.
Well, it's a wonderful conference.
Jared always does such a good job, and he's a great speaker.
I always enjoy his speeches.
I have some favorites, too, and I think I maybe heard Roger say one of his favorites was Hugo Lennon.
He's from Australia.
Yes, indeed.
Yeah, young guy from Australia.
Yeah, that was a very good speech.
I mean, all the speakers are good.
I don't mean to say that, but he was one of my favorites.
I thought he gave a really good speech.
And Jared is, of course.
Mark, what was it?
I'm looking at these.
I'm looking at these.
You take my call it.
Greg Johnson.
I liked Greg Johnson's speech a lot.
I liked all the speeches.
Greg Johnson was on early this afternoon.
245 to 3:30.
Actually, the banquet hasn't started yet.
Our banquet speaker is Kevin Deanna.
Yep.
I haven't heard his speech yet, but that's who's going to speak at the banquet.
And so I think it's another success.
Jared always does such a good job.
And you know, I like it because Jared's doing all the work.
It's different than, hey, I tell you what, it's a lot easier to attend a conference than it is to plan one.
And, of course, you've planned so many along with Gordon, the late, great Gordon Baum, waiting for all of us in heaven, looking down on us tonight as his wife gives this report.
And I tell you, you know, Linda, I wanted to close with you tonight for no other reason than to thank you for all you have done.
All the thankless toiling in the vineyard that you and your family has done.
All those years in the council.
I'm actually holding in my hand right now.
I'm holding it in my hand as Keith Alexander is my witness.
One of these DVDs that we did with, I say we, the royal we, Sonny Landham, along with Gordon and so many others, and I've got that.
I mean, that was just a wonderful time in my life and in Danny's life.
I mean, we were just married coming to these things in Nashville and sunny, those years back in the mid-2000s.
It just really, it really helped me along my way.
No way, TPC lasts 21 years without the council and the effects that you and your husband had and that organization had on my development.
And then, of course, even fast forwarding to the current year, we wouldn't have had that incredible conference.
You want to talk about conferences.
That thing we had in South Carolina earlier this year with that particular mix of speakers, it is still bearing fruit that we couldn't have foreseen even while we were there.
And Linda, you've been a part of it all, and I thank you for that.
Well, I'm so glad we could help with that.
And that was a great conference.
That was really a good conference in South Carolina.
And it's going to bear fruit later.
I'm hoping, right?
We're counting on it.
And there is a lot of things happening behind the scenes.
But when it does, and wherever it takes us, that is the legacy of you and Gordon and the council and all of it.
And when I think about my formative years in this movement, I mean, I always think about those wonderful conferences in Nashville.
I mean, going over to the bar, John A.'s, the little bar, the speakeasy afterward.
I mean, we were there when the Old Crow Medicine Show walked in.
They just walked in.
Yes, that's right.
Bad gay hit singers of the song Wagon Wheel, the original singers of Wagon Wheel, the country song, and they just came in and started talking to us.
And they got on stage and sang it.
And then they just came and started sitting at our table.
Just all those years in the council, my favorite memories in this whole thing.
And anyway, you're there tonight, though, at Amran.
I'm not saying, hey, listen, I prefer this or that.
I'm just saying at that time in my life, at that time in my development, it just played such an incredible role, an indispensable role.
I love all the people we work with, all the conferences.
Amran, I mean, second to none, obviously.
I'm not saying this is better than that or that is better than this.
It's all part of the collective, but I really do value those years, Linda.
And thank you so much for calling in tonight and breaking down some of the talks and some of the speakers.
I know you're going to enjoy the rest of the weekend, and we will talk to you again soon.
I got to call you with some updates on some of the other stuff we're working on.
I'll do that on your drive home.
Yeah, that sounds great.
You got it.
Indeed.
Linda Baum.
Yes, ma'am.
Linda Baum, Roger Devlin, Greg Johnson, Rick Tyler, and Eric Orwell.
You heard from them all.
They're all live right now at Amran.
The keynote speaker, the banquet speaker, our friend Kevin Deanna, about to go on live.
We'll be back with Lou Moore in the second hour.
Wanted to take you to the floor, Van Rin.
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