Oct. 12, 2025 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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The Political Cesspool, known across the South and worldwide as the South's foremost populist conservative radio program.
And here to guide you through the murky waters of the Political Cesspool is your host, James Edwards.
All right.
All right, folks, let's get right back into it.
David Zuddy is back with us tonight.
And normally when we have David on from the Homeland Institute, he is appearing with us to break down one of the polls that his organization has done, or at the very least, discuss issues attendant to one of the polls conducted by Homeland Institute.
And we will get into one briefly at the end of this hour.
But first, he participated in a very interesting and noteworthy debate with Greg Conte over at Countercurrent just a few days ago.
And that is the purpose, or at least the primary purpose for his appearance back with us tonight.
It was a conversation entitled Left versus Right after Charlie Kirk.
And we will break that down with him now.
We'll read some excerpts from his article at Countercurrents that sort of describe the premise of the debate and get into that debate itself.
David Zuddy, great to have you back tonight.
It's great to come back.
It's always fun.
And you can follow me at homelandinstitute.org or my personal account, DavidZuddy on X. Please do so, folks.
We recommend that wholeheartedly.
So let me just say this very quickly with regards to this debate.
And that is that I know Greg Conte.
I like Greg Conte.
I guess I last saw Greg, I don't know what it was.
The years do blur together these days.
Three or four years ago, we were in Louisville at a conference together, and he and I went out and had a couple of drinks one night.
I believe it was a Saturday night.
He was a close confidant to the late great Bill Regnery, as were I.
So we have ties that bind.
I think sometimes people in this movement, or maybe just people in general, believe that if you have a disagreement with someone or have an area where you see something differently than someone, that you are at odds with them.
And that is not the case.
There's never any punching to the right here on TPC.
But we can debate.
Steels sharpens steel, and it is important to have these conversations in private and in public.
And so with that being said, David, please just sort of lay the groundwork for what this debate was all about at Countercurrent between you and Greg Conte.
Sure.
So before I begin, Greg Conte is a great guy.
I like his content, especially on Prussian socialism.
I like history.
He handles that very well.
And also, he's done a lot of good work for the movement over the years.
So this isn't hostile.
It's just a nice debate between two intellectuals.
But my main thrust against his position is that it really comes down to Carl Schmidt's friend enemy distinction.
I agree with Conte.
We should try to persuade people when possible.
But what happens when a large number of people are no longer persuadable?
At some point, this isn't just a question of the Jews radicalizing them at college, taking advantage of theater kids.
At some point, these people switch from being victims to being active participants.
And at some point, just like an addict, what happens when they're too far gone?
And maybe if you want to help them, you have to be kind of harsh with them.
Maybe they do have to see their friends in Atifa be hauled off to jail.
Maybe they need to see their judges knocked off their pedestal and thrown into jail for conspiracy against rights.
Sometimes the best way to help someone is to use a firm hand.
That's sort of what the left strategy was.
And again, it's a friend to enemy distinction.
A lot of these people are unwilling to listen to us.
They're rapid.
Now, not all Democrats are like that.
We can go over some of the polling data later on, but a large chunk of them sign off on this.
And we can look at data all day long, but I'd rather talk about a quick anecdote that's happening right now with a guy named Jay Jones in Virginia, who's running for attorney general in that state.
This is a black guy who fantasized in text messages about killing his opponent, urinating on their graves, other highly distasteful stuff, called their little kids fascists.
Maybe, and in addition, there's unsubstantiated but probably likely allegations that he said things in a phone call about how maybe police need to start dying for them to start policing the way he likes, which basically means being very lenient towards blacks, apparently.
This same fool also called when a this goes back to the Kyle Rittenhouse saga.
What happened was that Gibson Go was hacked and it was revealed that some guy, a police officer, had donated Kyle Rittenhouse $25 with a nice message of support saying, hey, most police support you, God bless, stuff like that that's very defensible as opposed to hoping, you know, fantasizing about his political opponents dying or children dying or urinating on graves.
But he called that, I believe, was like totally disgusting or something, what that police officer had written in support to Kyle Rittenhouse.
And what has happened about this drama?
Has the left distanced themselves?
Have they disavowed?
Well, he said that this attorney general guy, Jones, has said that he's sick to stomach over.
He's still in the race.
He hasn't dropped out.
And nobody has stopped supporting for him.
In fact, it looks like he's doing a little bit better in the polls.
And I think that really shows something that there is a large, not all, but there's a segment of Democrats who are exactly what Sam Hyde says.
They hate you.
They want your kids brainwashed or dead.
Your life ruined.
And you know what?
They think it's funny.
And the rest of them, a lot of them, are willing to sign off on that.
It doesn't matter.
It's something where they may not agree, but it's not a deal breaker.
They're willing to go along with it.
At that point, this really comes down to a big issue between Greg Conte's eyes: is our historical situation more comparable to Spain in the run-up to the Spanish Civil War, or perhaps to Russia?
I'll talk about that later.
Or is it to 1930s Germany?
And if you look, you can admire Adolf Hitler.
He was a genius, but his strategies were completely tailored to his time and place.
And we're not in that time or place.
We're in a different time of place, very different characteristics.
There are some very strong similarities.
People always talk about the comparisons between Weimar and our era, but I think a large number of our people are not redeemable.
We're not dealing with interwar German factory workers.
We're dealing with people who are rapid leftists.
And I would like all of them to chill out.
Some of them are chilling out, but there's still a contingent of them that has to be crushed with state force.
And that's just the facts of life.
I'm very much, you know, Conte, he agrees that political is, you know, Hitler is a political genius, Spindler is a historical genius.
Well, I lean more towards Spindler, where we have to just look at facts and deal the hand that were dealt, whether we like it or not.
That's greatness.
To confront the facts boldly and do what we can with them.
And yeah, we have to confront the fact that a lot of liberal whites are very vehemently anti-white.
And I brought this counter, this scenario with Greg Conte.
If we packed all the Jews off to Madagascar and firewalled Madagascar, no tweets or books or words get out, no shekels or dollars gets out.
Nature, what would happen?
Yes, nature would start healing.
It would be a lot easier.
Our enemies would be less organized, but that doesn't mean that all of a sudden white liberals wouldn't stop hating white people.
That doesn't mean that there wouldn't be resentful blacks or Indians running amok.
It would just be easier to deal with these problems.
And I think this is what we have to deal with.
And too, if we were to pack the Jews off somewhere or put a cap on how many of them can be in power, that's going to be after we've gone through all these other issues like deportations and all of that.
But that's most of my debate.
It's the friend to any distinction, the nature of the left, both biological, psychological.
And that's what we're dealing with.
Those are the hands.
That's the challenge, please reform me, and I'm going to live up to it.
Let me just, and thank you, David, for very succinctly recapping your position that you took in this debate.
And just in case we haven't exactly defined what this debate was about, let me now read before we take our first break of the hour some of your writing here on the article recap at Countercurrents.
This is what you write.
I had major disagreements with Charlie Kirk on immigration in Israel, as I do with much of mainstream conservatism.
In fact, my first article for Countercurrents was about roasting Charlie at UCLA during the Groper War.
But we fought each other with words, not bullets.
After the death of Charlie Kirk, many on the right agreed, and I can say that I am certainly one of them, by the way.
I'm speaking for myself here now, but as David writes, many on the right agreed that now is the time to unite the right and crush the left.
But Greg Conte has argued that the left-right distinction is a Jewish divide and conquer tactic and that all our focus should be on Jewish power.
I agree that organized Jewry is the chief enemy of our people, but I disagree with Conte's views on the left-right distinction.
This is David Zetty, and I continue to read from him.
But sometimes your enemies choose you.
The left has chosen to be our enemy.
The left thinks that Charlie Kirk and Donald Trump deserve to die.
Imagine what they would do to us if they could.
Our only choice is whether we recognize this fact and act accordingly or delude ourselves and keep making friendly overtures to people who hate us, want us dead, and think it's funny.
I associate that sort of behavior with guilt-laden liberals who sent for BLM.
Again, we are not entirely in control of who our enemy is.
Sometimes our enemies choose us.
So, David, that again sort of just reinforces what you were saying here in this opening segment as we continue this discussion.
Right.
I really want to hammer home how the left-right divide existed before the Jews, and it will exist after they've been removed from power.
Leftism is primarily defined by entropy.
Rightism, at least trying to grasp for something nice.
And yes, the Jews do exploit the left-right divide, but I'd say it's mostly, yeah.
Sorry about that.
I could faintly hear in my headset the music, and there it is now.
So I knew we were coming up on a break, so we will take that break.
We will continue.
We'll let David continue this thought right after these works.
Stick to it.
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Okay, after that quick timeout, we are now back with David Zutty.
I will take just a second to remind you, of course, that David is an attorney by trade in California.
He received a degree in political science from the University of California, San Diego, and a J.D. from the Chapman University Dale E. Fowler School of Law before studying law.
He served six years in the United States Air Force as an airborne linguist where he achieved the rank of staff sergeant.
So we are talking to, indeed, Staff Sergeant Zuddy.
He is also an activist and chapter leader in Identity Europa.
Was, I should say, of course.
He is now the director of the Homeland Institute, HomelandInstitute.org.
The purpose, of course, of the Homeland Institute is to explore the negative effects of globalization and multiculturalism on historic homelands and to propose workable and humane alternatives to our current plight.
We are talking with him this hour about his recent debate, and I mean recent as of last week, with Greg Conte about the path forward for white advocates and where we should be focusing.
And it was just, it was, again, very interesting.
I would just, before you continue your thought from the previous break, David, just one more thing that you talked about with Dave, excuse me, with Greg, and one of the questions that you debated.
You write that he thinks that we should not try to crush the left.
I assume he means, of course, the white left, but persuade or convert them.
You write that you share much of his frustration with conservative rank and file and his disgust at GOP party apparatchiks.
But, and I agree with you here, David, we have limited time, money, and people.
Thus, we should direct our message to where we will get the greatest return.
So who is most receptive to our message?
Take all that and run with it.
Right.
So it's like fishing.
You want to go fishing at the lake that's going to have the most fish.
And that's the Republican fishing hole, even if it isn't glamorous, some would say classy or has status.
Like, these are our people.
These are the people who are receptive to us.
And they're already closer to us.
They're closer to our wavelength.
They're not steeped in anti-whiteness.
And you can get more for them.
And we really are under the gun here.
We have a limited, the clock is always ticking on the great replacement.
And so we can't kind of take our time ambling through the halls of power.
We can't, you know, there is the march to the institutions wasn't a march for the left.
It's more of a leisurely stroll.
They were not under any type of a timeline at all.
We are.
And so we can't really pursue these boutique ideological things.
We have to really stay focused on what is tactically and pragmatically sound.
And we also have to understand that things have changed rapidly since 2016.
I think, I know Greg Conte comes from the NJP, which comes from a lieu of either former leftists or people who like to convert leftists.
Things have changed.
Now, yes, in 2016, the alt-right was getting Bernie Bros and also libertarians like myself.
But libertarianism and the Democrat Party are completely different things than they were in 2016.
The Democrats always had very strong undertones of being anti-white.
At this point, though, that is the primary plank of the Democrat Party is hating white people and displacing us and worshiping migrants as magical creatures and blacks.
That's the central plank.
It might as well be everything else is simply a policy preference, anti-whiteness is a categorical imperative.
And we saw this too.
I discussed with Conte when it comes down to some of their policy.
They don't really care about workers.
They don't even care about genocide.
They care about the racial dynamics of genocide.
So they'll get excited about Gaza because they very incorrectly see Israel as a white colonial power killing brown people.
They're not as excited when it's brown on brown.
They're either ignorant or indifferent when it's white on white.
Like say NATO bombing Serbia, how communism, where that was mostly Jews killing whites and Asians or Asians and whites killing or whites and Asians killing each other, intra-racial violence.
And then when it comes down to colored on white genocide, they applaud it.
They support it.
We saw this with the screeching and wailing and gnashing of teeth about Trump's policy on South actual refugees from South Africa who are not fake Euge.
These are not middle-aged military men, you know, military-aged men with a criminal history fleeing Algeria or Zimbabwe or whatever.
These are actual white families fleeing persecution and violence in a dysfunctional gay race communist country.
Real refugees.
The left lost their minds about that.
And they've already told us what they think about us and what their priorities are.
So again, they don't care about genocide.
They care about the racial aspect of it.
Same with workers' rights.
They don't care about workers.
Most workers hate them.
And if you scratch the surface on the left, they hate workers too.
They will oftentimes say that industrial workers deserve this for thinking bad thoughts about blacks and transgenders or whatever.
They're very nasty people.
And I want to go, exactly, we have to, and my polling has found this.
I found that they are more easily, they start off better at understanding that legal immigration is bad.
And they're also a little bit more easier to convert to that position as well.
And that says the facts as I confront them and have to deal with them.
And that said, also the left-right divide, we need to understand that I would say that the party divide is a Jewish divide and conquer tactic, Democrat versus Republican, but not left versus right, because we have a rhino epidemic.
The Jews love leftism.
In fact, they've done everything in their power to make the Republican Party a liberal party that simply is going towards a communist dystopia at a leisurely 10 miles per hour as opposed to 100 mile per hour.
They don't want the Republican Party to even halt it, just go at a slower pace.
It's controlled opposition.
Hence, we have an epidemic of rhinos.
If you want an anecdote, I can explain this perfectly.
In law school, we have this thing called the Ferdole Society, which was founded by a galgo of neoconservative Jews who were simply angry about the direction the Soviet Union was going.
And so they're not real conservatives, conservatives.
They simply wanted some type of alternative to communism.
And they found this as an impotent debate forum.
The Feral Society brags about how they don't take sides.
They don't actually take policy positions.
They just endlessly debate.
They engage in the parliamentary chit-chat that Carl Schmidt called a retreat from politics in the weight of the carnage of the 30 Years' War.
And you have people who will ramble about the Constitution and all these abstractions, but not actually do anything.
Every other networking little thing, group club at law school usually has, is very aggressive, almost exclusively liberal in pursuing their policies.
But it turned out that the Federal Society is not a debate forum.
Some things are not up for debate, apparently.
They allowed all these people pushing libertarian genderbender nonsense in there, but not as doxed as being private in Europa and being uncomfortable about race mixing and knowing about the Jewish question.
I contacted one of the local leaders there and said, hey, I've been falsely doxxed.
It was flimsy, so I was going to just brush it off.
But I didn't get a response email.
I did get my $5 dues refunded.
That was a clear signal.
They wouldn't even give me the courtesy of an email, despite how flimsy this was.
And being a veteran, this is an allegedly conservative thing, believing at face value, rumors started by a domestic terror organization, Eugene Antifa.
And Eugene Antifa is one of the more violent chapters.
It's up there with like Portland and Rose City and all that.
So apparently, I guess some things aren't up for debate.
We can debate how much immigration, we can debate how much we need open borders to increase the GDP, how much we love Israel.
But some things are not up for debate, apparently.
You have to stay on the reservation, be an impotent little originalist, you know, very narrow.
One of the peeves I have is how the left embraces activism and the right has fallen into originalism.
But the original intent of the Constitution is that we're supposed to fight over it.
So it's actually highly activist in that sense.
We're supposed to fight over position and authority and respect, not to sit around and impotent house plants, let the left or our faction run rampant over us.
Like, ambition is supposed to check ambition and the right has no ambition.
So that's going to fail.
So yes, the left-right divide is very real.
And the Jews love pushing leftism because it creates a country that they can thrive in.
They thrive in, first of all, open borders.
It's easy to divide and conquer.
We have different ethnic groups.
They like to have degeneracy around.
They like to have usury.
They like entropy.
They feed off of it.
It's like it's an environment that they thrive in.
They basically terraform the country to see what's good for them, to cause decay.
So when you go after leftism, when you go after the decay, you're draining the swamp or putting oil over the water like they did when they built the Panama Canal.
And that simply destroys the habitat that these foreign parasites, what Yaqui calls culture disorders, thrive in.
That's how you go after them.
You go after, if you have a mosquito problem, if you go after individual mosquitoes, yes, that's good.
You need to shoot or slap out the mosquito that gets into your house as trying to bite you, but you also need to deal with the stagnant water.
And going after the stagnant water is a more effective strategy.
And I think, too, like at some point, we have to ask ourselves, well, people, including, like, I think Conte has this view, frankly, a fantasy, that people, especially leftists, will go, hey, Hitler was right about everything.
I'm now going to be pro-white, or at least not anti-white.
I think that's a fantasy.
I think what's the usual pipeline that we've seen is that people go towards saying it's okay to be white, or maybe we need to be neutral on this.
And I don't see race, but man, everybody sees race, and it's only one direction.
And then eventually you start saying, gee, other people play by denying politics.
They're always beating up on white people.
And then you realize Jews aren't white.
And hey, who's pushing all the anti-white stuff?
It's the Jews.
Oh, my goodness.
Why is it whenever I say it's okay to be white or that's anti-Semitic or you notice certain themes in adult videos, that's anti-Semitism, apparently.
Or you denounce, you say Antifa's dead, and you're told by Heretz in 2020 that an attack on Antifa's attack on Jews.
That's what usually happens, that it goes to pro-white to being anti-Semitic.
That's the usual pipeline.
People who go anti-Semitism or Hitler or fascism or authoritarianism first and then to being pro-white, those are, I think, very rare, special people who are going to go that path regardless, so we don't really need to pander to them.
That's this life.
Like, we need a fish in the fishing holes that we're going to get us fish when we're facing an impending disaster here.
And again, leftism isn't what it's like.
All the good people have mostly left already, just like all the good libertarians have left.
The libertarian to alt-right pipeline has dried up because what is libertarianism now?
It's basically the meme of wanting a transgender couple to defend their marijuana plants with a machine gun or something.
You're not going to kill libertarians now.
We're going to take a quick break.
We're going to put a cap on this part of the conversation with David Zetty in the next segment.
Then we're going to get into the latest polling from the Homeland Institute, Charlie Kirk, and polarization, but a lot of food for thought, and he is delivering it right now.
And he will continue to do so right after this.
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All right, back with David Zutty of the Homeland Institute.
We will still, before the end of this hour, get, well, at least the broad strokes from the recent poll, the last week of September, that Homeland Institute conducted regarding people's thoughts towards the issue of Charlie Kirk's assassination and polarization.
But first, if David wouldn't mind giving me just a slight runway here, I want to be sure to work in some of these thoughts from his article at Countercurrents.
I think it'll really crystallize everything we're discussing this hour.
And this is what he writes.
It's obvious that our movement's limited resources should be spent on the kind of people who vote for Donald Trump, not for Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden, let alone for AOC, Kamala, and Jasmine Crockett.
Immigration extremism is a more categorical imperative than a policy preference for the left.
I have no objections to reaching out to all white constituencies, even vegans and bottle cap collectors.
However, given our limited resources, it would be foolish to devote vast amounts thereof to such marginal constituencies.
Such outreach should be regarded as hobby projects for the extremely online.
The same is true for outreach to the left.
It's a fact of life that conservatives are both closer to us than liberals and easier to convert to our views.
Try building a coalition with white liberals is almost as silly as trying to build one with blacks or Muslims.
I agree.
Now, going back, if I didn't lose my place there with our finicky computer here, the murder of Charlie Kirk is a rare opportunity.
Because of his death, the Trump administration wishes to crush, not coddle Antifa.
We should be doing everything we can to give them moral support and shame the backsliders and opposition.
Conte, however, thinks this is some sort of Jewish trickery.
Now, I want to cover that a little bit more with you, David, in just a moment, because he's not the only one who thinks that everything that happens that is apparently good is inevitably nothing more than fool's gold.
You write, no.
Sometimes you have to stop overthinking things, take a win, and go after your enemies.
Conte regards the Jews, not the left, as the enemy.
Sadly, you write, we have more than one enemy.
Jews certainly like to promote leftism as a tool of their ethnic interest.
You've been covering that earlier tonight already.
But the left-right divide always used white in a Freudian slip with right, and I think there's something to be said for that.
But the left-right divide, you write, still exists independently of the Jews.
It is driven by entropy, biology, and psychology.
If only it were as easy as impressionable theater kids being radicalized by Professor Schecklstein.
Conte wants to live in a world where blood matters more than ideology.
So do I, you write, but that's not the world we live in.
Too many white leftists have chosen to be our mortal enemies.
I would prefer to debate the left as Charlie Kirk did, but that time ended when they killed him and cheered.
Now is the hour of decision.
We must defeat the left, as Franco did in the Spanish Civil War.
And good on you, my friend, for invoking the name of Francisco Franco, someone that probably gets mentioned at least once every month or two here on TPC.
Back to you.
I think we really have to confront what I think is paranoid ideation.
I feel it's driven almost by some type of trauma from how badly Trump's first term went.
And I'm not going to sugarcoat it.
Trump's first term had issues.
It had problems.
It was lackluster.
And it even led to the empire striking back with Dark Brandon in 2020.
But we have to move forward.
We can't live in the past, whether that's 2016, 2020, or 1933.
And I think we have to understand that a system can only take so much pressure before it bends or breaks.
I'm pretty sure that in the late Soviet Union in 1980, whatever, that there were dissidents who are saying that all the reforms they're doing were simply controlled opposition.
It was a safety valve.
If you fall for it, you're a fool.
And guess what?
Then the Soviet Union just kind of evaporates and falls apart.
And I think we're closer to that, to Russia in that regard than to Germany.
It's just falling apart.
It was never sustainable.
And all the things that people get blackpilled about, about all the slush funds, their power, that shows that they're weak, not strong, because if they were really strong, they wouldn't need all this greenhouse environment to coddle them like delicate little flowers.
And I would say, yes, some of the things that the Trump administration is doing is highly beneficial to the kosher right.
It benefits the kosher right to be able to go to a college campus and not be shot in the neck.
It also benefits us if we can go in public and have street activism, marches, rallies, without being attacked by Farrell Antifa or even killed by them.
We all both benefit here, and frankly, we benefit more.
I think this was simply a Antifa made a mistake.
They got so used to attacking the fringes that they kept going towards the center more and more.
And finally, they woke the center up.
And finally, you see, when we tell people like Sam Hai does that these people hate you, they want you dead, it sounds like hyperbole.
Just like when we try to talk about the Jews to them.
So the best thing we can do is allowing Jews and liberals to sometimes tell people how they feel.
And I think one of the best ways you can tell someone about how you feel is, frankly, shooting them.
That's what they did with Charlie Kirk, and everyone who cheered signed off on that.
They approved of that.
They approved a political assassination.
This wasn't strange little fringe people on Discord servers or random drug addicts, although there were certainly some of those too.
These are people high up in society in positions of power.
People like lawyers, doctors, generals, officers, all that stuff.
And so this is widespread.
This isn't just like some college kid who's gone down a rabbit hole and will act normal once he gets a mortgage.
That's not the case.
And so, in my opinion, yes, this will benefit the kosher right.
But I have an active mindset instead of a passive mindset.
Instead of asking, how is this all a trick for the Jews to manipulate us?
I ask, how can I exploit this?
If it's a good thing, how can I exploit it to the most for our people?
Or if it's a bad thing, how can I mitigate it?
I only see opportunity here.
I'm like Komenos II, the Komenos guy who tried to do, he was a crisis management expert during the Byzantine Empire.
And this is what Anna Kamena observed him and said, my dad always thinks about how he can use things to his advantage.
He's always thinking like that.
That's why I think.
I do what Kamena said because he was always trying to put out fires and play whack-a-mole with the decaying late Roman Empire in Byzantium.
And yeah, we can use this to our advantage.
Imagine if Antifa, it was very strange because Conte gave all these lengthy anecdotes about how he's been attacked by the system, including Antifa and deplatforming.
Like, apparently, most of his job at MPI when he worked there was dealing with security against Antifa, like logistics and all that.
And wouldn't it be nice to not, if you have organizations where you aren't doxed constantly or the threat doxing kind of dissipates?
Or you can go on to have a rally.
Maybe one day, what if Patriot Front doesn't have to cover their face with masks?
Maybe they don't need to jump out of the U-Haul.
Maybe they can just actually exercise their First Amendment rights like normal people.
Maybe that would be wonderful.
I think a lot of people have been intimidated from online activism, networking, infiltration, any type of normal behavior by Antifa.
And we can't even begin to imagine how good it'll be with this change because we've had no experience of it.
We really have had no experience of living in a free and open society that we were promised.
We have had no actual experience with the real First Amendment.
It's always been undermined, subverted, as much as possible while keeping up appearances.
And we have to take this, we need to take it, smile, and ask for more.
And this is what mainstream politics is all about.
I hate to use that term, but look at the left.
They got gay marriage and they kept asking for more and crazier stuff.
Look at the right, you give oligarchs one tax break.
They want a bigger one next election cycle.
They always smile.
They applaud.
They chimp out when it's bad.
They applaud like they're good little North Koreans when it's good.
And they ask for more.
We have to start acting.
The left get in power because they use the wisdom of the mouse.
Remember that book, like, don't give a mouse a cookie because they'll ask for milk and all these other demands?
You have to always have demands.
My kids have that book.
Yeah.
Well, if you give a liberal a cookie, you get, you wind up with like transgenders going wild.
But you, we need to do the same thing.
Like we get, we charge, we got some big fee for the H-1Bs.
Okay, well, let's make that instead of for three years for each year.
Always have new demands, always ask for more, and you're not being manipulated by the Jews.
And here's the thing.
Let's assume for a second that this is intended by the powers that be to be a safety valve.
I will make sure it's not.
The Jews might have the most power, but that does not mean that we are powerless, that we don't have agency, that other people don't have agency.
My intention is to make this like the Soviet Union, where all these safety valves end up being avalanches, the little flakes that begin creating an avalanche that just destroys the whole Rodden system like the Soviet Union collapsed.
And another solution I have, which I think is a lot more viable than trying to hitler our way into power, is what Stalin did, which is use a successive anti-Semitic purchase.
Now, I'm not advocating for violence because we're in America that doesn't work here.
But I mean, a circulation of the elites as described by Pareto.
We have a bunch of basically everyone who's young and involved in politics, like staffers, interns, people who are in Turning Point USA, college Republicans, they're extremely radical.
They are very far right.
They're very intelligent.
They know about the Jewish question.
And these are the people that will take over at some point personnel as policy.
And the Jews have run out of people they can bribe and blackmail.
And two, even when they try to bribe and blackbail people or do control to opposition, that's failing because we're changing the culture.
The third bee, the brainwashing, is the one that people don't focus on, but that's the biggest part because as the alt-right used to intelligently and wisely say back in the day, it seems like people sometimes forget this.
Culture is downstream from politics.
So look what happened with Bill and Hollyhand.
Bat, Ron H. Perfect, Costa La Mario, his little griff lasted for about two years before people saw through it.
Brillin lasted not even a day.
I think that shows that we're winning.
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I can tell you right now, David, we're not going to have enough time.
I need at least another segment with you, and we just don't have time.
And so we really got to move fast on this.
I want to cap this one and then I want to move to the poll, but I have to ask you this first, and for these next two questions, yes or no answers will suffice.
You consider yourself to be a white advocate, even a white nationalist, yes or no?
Yes.
And do you consider yourself someone who has thoughtfully considered and understands the Jewish question?
Absolutely, yes.
All right.
Now, with that baseline having been reestablished, those were rhetorical questions, of course, for David Zutty.
You already knew the answers to that, as did I, ladies and gentlemen.
But I wanted to get that on the record here.
Well, I mean, you can read his article that we've been lifting from tonight.
In it, he writes, every country has the Jews that deserve Jews enjoy enormous power in America because our people are haplessly apolitical and ahistorical as described by Yockey.
But anyway, we have reestablished those truths here for the audience, David.
And so with those baselines having been established, this is the question that we have been going back over with so many guests since January.
And you have already mentioned it, and I do want to move very quickly.
Do you believe that Trump has advanced white interests in his second term so far?
And if so, in what ways?
Absolutely, yes.
And whether that was intentional or not, I frankly don't care.
I'm going to exploit this as hard as I can because how you play politics.
If you don't like how the sausage is made, just don't look inside the kitchen when we do it with policy.
And for example, he has caused a large chimp-out about white people with simply the South African thing.
Also, I think the latest thing is very important with the so-called community relations service, which was essentially coercing and possibly blackmailing or intimidating families of victims of color and white violence into doing this kumbaya thing, saying it's not about race, don't look back in anger, which is very demoralizing for our people.
However, they, of course, didn't do that when it was for stuff like George Floyd or Breonna Taylor or all these other career criminals in the hood that BLM sumps over and politicizes.
So obviously this was an anti-white, I would even say terrorist group that was intimidating and coercing white parents into forgiving the killers and trying to tone down tensions.
And that was gone.
And just this past week, we had a father go off and tell Congress what they needed to hear about this in Congress.
That change was instantaneous.
And what I'll be pushing for next is I'm going to be pushing for making it so that all these other parents who are coerced can come forward about their stories and how they were coerced.
And we completely wrecked the deep state that way.
So I think that's good.
Also, we were having our people thrust into positions of power in the government, both seen and unseen.
So yes, I think we are advancing.
And it's been, it's two steps forward, one step back, but did you expect otherwise?
I'm up for fight.
I like fighting.
I think it's great.
I agree.
I mean, anyone who's listened to this show, well, really in the Trump era, but certainly since January when he was reinstalled, would know that I feel that way as you do.
We agree.
I don't believe that it's all fool's gold.
I mean, we've mentioned Greg Conte.
There are some other men who are dear friends of mine and colleagues and comrades who I have nothing but respect for, namely, well, Warren Bailock, for instance, and Nathan D'AMigo.
I mean, everything Trump does, they believe that there is something nefarious and foul about it.
And I believe, and listen, they are welcoming my foxholes.
Interestingly, you know, I know Nathan doesn't believe that any reform can exist through the system, and I'm open to trying everything.
But we had a meeting, a conference, big conference earlier this year in South Carolina.
Nathan was there to participate, to support, to network, to attend.
And we had elected politicians, sitting politicians, foreign politicians as firing politicians.
And I know that's not the way Nathan goes.
I went back there to him in the back of the conference hall after one session and put my hand on his shoulder and said, Are you hanging in there, brother?
But no, listen, but at the end of the day, we may disagree on the utility of Trump and the current trends, but we certainly agree on everything else.
And that has to be stated and it has to be remembered.
We are all still pulling in the same direction and on the same team.
I do believe, though, that Trump can do good while still letting us down on some issues pertaining to Jews and especially in the Middle East and then foreign policy.
He can do good, he can do wrong, but I think we're getting more good than we would have with anyone else.
Now, okay, normally we have an hour with you to cover any given poll that we are focusing on from the Homeland Institute.
How about breaking one down in five minutes, David?
This is the poll that you did on September the 25th, or the results were published on September the 24th, I should say, at homelandinstitute.org.
The question was Charlie Kirk and polarization.
I won't even give the synopsis in this.
I'll just let you take it.
What was the question?
What were the findings, if you can break that down in five minutes?
Yes, so there was a very disturbing campaign to muddy the waters about who killed Charlie Kirk.
And you have liberals thinking as a Republican.
We repeated a poll that was mainstream that showed that.
We just used right-wing instead of party identification, and it's true.
And it was higher amongst Democrats, independents, and young people.
And there was also a troubling thing where Democrats, independents, and young people tended to be more open to political violence and also think basically are cool with celebrating the death of a public figure, and especially the death of Charlie Kirk.
In fact, when we asked them in general, is it okay to celebrate the death of a public figure?
When we next ask them about Charlie Kirk, they shamelessly changed their answers.
And yeah, that just shows the left.
They're there to play.
They were honest about how dishonest.
They were shockingly honest about how dishonest they are.
I'll say that.
That all of a sudden the answers change when it's about Charlie Kirk because apparently white lives don't matter.
I don't know.
He's spreading hate, whatever they talk about.
But what's interesting is that young Republicans and older Republicans, there's no real difference between them.
So that's not a problem.
Also, all the violence and passion for that is being driven by liberal women.
I broke it down by gender and ideology.
You guys can look at that.
So there is a number of crazy Democrats, but I don't think they're going to have much fighting power there.
I think the government can crush them effectively.
We shouldn't have ICE agents trembling about this.
But I think the biggest thing is finally, this is the hour of our decision.
I have been trying to get the Republicans, as I told Conte, to do something other than be little houseplants like during the Tea Party era under Obama.
Finally, this has happened.
Finally, we had a breakthrough in regards to cancel culture.
And I really want to emphasize that this is probably the most important finding from the poll: the number of Republicans and independents who are open, who agree that we have to develop a cancer culture of our own skyrocketed from the previous poll, which I think was in 2023.
That's a huge thing.
It was a huge increase.
They're more willing to get people, they agree that people should be fired from their job if they publicly celebrated the death of Charlie Kirk.
And just to delineate this, this isn't doxing because we're not doing invasion of privacy or going after their family or their personal residents.
We're simply equating their public statements that they made publicly on their own face and name with their employers.
That's it.
Which is a lot less intrusive than what Antifa did.
And yes, this is something.
And I want to give everyone a white pill.
I don't believe in white pills or black pills.
I believe in iron pills and struggle because it's fun.
But this is dig for people who need some little white pills here so they stop being like, you are here.
I did the numbers on this.
So after Charlie Kirk was killed, people celebrated it.
They were identified.
I asked Grock how many people did Antifa docks between basically early 2016 and now, and it was somewhere between 1,500 and 3,000.
That includes mainstream conservatives, the alt-right, and law enforcement.
Most law enforcement was relatively recent.
However, apparently, and this is from September 15th, by the way, we identified 60,000 liberals that celebrated Charlie Kirk's death in public.
And according to this Golf X account that's tracking it, about 1,283 were fired in less than a week.
So 1,500 to 3,000 people were doxxed since 2016 by Antifa.
It's hard to say how many were fired, but let's say half of that, so that'd be 750 to 1,500.
Well, that means that in a week, we did more damage in cancel culture than they did over the course of nine years.
So when we actually fight, when we actually strike back, where we actually exercise the will to power, where we finally start understanding that in history, one acts or is acted upon, there is no third option, as Spengler says.
Finally, we have will to power.
We are more effective than they ever could imagine.
And it's beautiful.
And they're down for this.
And interesting, liberals, I think, were taken aback by this because in this poll, the number of Republicans and independents, I asked, what's your thoughts on a law making it illegal to fire an employee for constantly protected activity while off-duty, which would include celebrating the death of public figures, screaming the forbidden gamer word, saying it's okay to be white.
It goes left and right.
Free speech, you're covered.
Fewer Republicans and independents are in support of that now, but the number of Democrats that support it spiked.
So I don't think we should let off the attack now.
I think we should continue cancel culture and canceling people boycotts like boycotting the woke NFL.
Yes, go on the offensive, stay on the offensive, but I think after doing a lot of damage, we should maybe force the left into a humiliating treaty that would be that law.
Because just like all the things that are benefiting the kosher right now, which people say is all kabuki theater, that would be a huge benefit to us.
I think it would benefit us way more than the left.
So that's my current, what I support is using cancel culture as hard as we can to force the left to surrender that way and agree to those terms.
And it's going to be beautiful.
Ladies and gentlemen, not enough time to give that a full and proper treatment, but I wanted to be absolutely sure during this hour with David Zuddy that we at the very least mentioned this particular poll and covered the broad strokes and cited it so you can go and read more about it for yourself.
Hopefully your intellectual appetite has been whetted for this and you can read more at homelandinstitute.org slash polls.
Homelandinstitute.org slash polls.
Charlie Kirk and polarization is the entry and you'll find all the statistics there, the percentages, and a lot of it ties into the conversation that dominated the bulk of this hour.
David Zuddy, thank you so much for your work, your friendship.
I'll see you soon and we will talk again in no time.