Sept. 7, 2025 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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Just two weeks ago on our eight-year anniversary of Charlottesville show, Patrick Martin featured prominently in that particular broadcast on August the 23rd.
Now, two weeks later, he's back with us again, and for good reason.
Well, there's a couple of good reasons.
Number one, he's one of our favorite guests.
And number two, there's no better guest to talk to about geopolitical and international relations than him.
Patrick Martin is a man who will offer us an informed opinion on present situations in Eastern Europe and the Middle East this hour.
He holds two master's degree, one in Islamic studies.
He has worked in 78 different countries as a government contractor, spending the majority of his time in the former Soviet Union, Eastern Europe, the Middle East, and sub-Saharan Africa.
He frequently speaks on this show and elsewhere at conferences and beyond on issues related to U.S.-Iranian and U.S. Russia.
So there is a lot to unpack in both of those places.
Patrick, welcome back.
How are you tonight?
I'm doing fantastic.
Thank you very much.
James Keith, it's always great to be on the show, and I appreciate the invitation.
Thank you.
Well, you're very welcome.
We had a conversation last week with a guest about Russia, Trump, Putin, Ukraine, etc.
We have some questions and some comments that have come in.
So let's get to those first, and then we'll go to Israel and Iran in the next segment.
But so let's, this is a listener in Texas.
He writes, there's been a lot of saber rattling lately regarding Russia.
Even Trump has said some pretty outlandish things in recent weeks.
It's a big issue concern.
And he writes here, though, that the reason neither we nor Zelensky have not thrown in the towel is to continue the depopulation of Ukraine.
Winning the war is not the objective.
Depopulating Ukraine to the greatest extent possible is the objective they now pursue.
Trump and many other politicians who are ostensibly on our side have their marching order.
Do you agree or disagree, Patrick?
You know, I don't know necessarily to depopulate Ukraine.
I think there's a number of things that are happening right now.
First of all, the United States is just simply not in a position to continue to support Ukraine in general.
From a pure logistics and supply chain capacity, we just don't have it.
We are our biggest issue that we have right now is that we are woefully behind in uranium development.
Interestingly, in Texas, by the way, this question came to Texas because Texas is one of the few untapped resources of uranium.
We don't have the ability to continue to support the Ukrainians in the way we have been.
So in many ways, what in the hell are we doing over there, Patrick?
Why are we there in the first place?
I got you.
So I think what Trump inherited was somewhat of a mess with regard to the situation in general.
So to begin, and I do, there are issues with regard to the Zelensky relationship as it changes to Trump.
A lot of folks forget, Zelensky was at the epicenter of Trump's first impeachment.
And it's hard to, you know, when you put this into context, think about this for a moment.
You had a Ukrainian Jewish president, N. Zelensky, who was at the epicenter of his impeachment, was led by Vindeman, Colonel Vindeman, who is a Ukrainian Jew.
He reported to Schiff, Adam Schiff, then a representative of California, a Ukrainian Jew.
And he also reported to Chuck Schumer, who's of Ukrainian Jewish origin.
Four Ukrainian Jews were at the epicenter of Trump's first impeachment in 2019.
Now, that's, I mean, the statistics, the physical probability of that happening is outlandish, given the fact that Ukrainians in general are a very, very small portion of the population in the world, and Ukrainian Jews, Jews in general are a very small portion.
It's not to be specifically anti-Jewish, it's just a fact that it's very small.
And then you add that to Ukrainian Jews.
So the fact that you have four Ukrainian Jews at the epicenter of Trump's first impeachment.
So I think the issue for, so Trump does probably want to leave Ukraine.
I don't think he's got much of a whole lot of love for the votes going to Ukraine.
I think the real issue here is this.
I think what they're looking for right now, there are members still within the bigger, the blob, so to speak, that want to see this war continue, not necessarily because of Ukraine.
They don't care a damn about Ukraine.
I think what they're looking for is to see what they can do to bleed out or harm Russia.
Russia as a whole has been able to weather the storm quite a bit.
They've had, now recently, some of the moves that Trump has made, such as putting a tariff, a punitive tariff on India for importing Russian oil is interesting.
He's not in the same to China, which is a fascinating subject in its own right because China still imports Russian oil and there's been no issue there.
But I think what he's trying to do is I think they're trying to negotiate a deal with the Russians that they find beneficial.
I do believe Trump is trying to exit out of Ukraine.
He has way too many factors that are trying to pull him back into that orbit.
And really the idea is to bleed out the Russians.
I don't think it's working.
I don't think Trump necessarily wants to stay there.
But at the same time, I do think there are elements within the blob, and especially the NATO blob, that whole apparatus, that big government sector that just doesn't die.
What about people like Victoria Newland and Anthony Blinken over here that basically kick the whole process off?
You know, you don't hear about them now.
Are they still in the picture or not?
I don't believe they are.
I think both Newland and Blinken, well, Blinken, first of all, to his credit, Trump pulled Blinken's security clearance, thank the Lord.
And Newland's been, was pulled pretty quickly as well.
So they don't have the same kind of ability to continue to manufacture the kind of chaos that they want.
I don't think they have, I think one of the issues as well is that you have the USAID was completely dismantled.
So those two don't have the kind of escape pods they thought they were going to have and continue to disrupt the Trump administration and any other administration's pro-Market.
I don't really, again, I'm not a huge, and for the audience, I'm not a huge fan of Trump.
I think he's better than what we had, but I don't think he's all that great.
But I do think that, again, Trump's instinct is to get out of Ukraine as fast as possible.
He's trying to negotiate a deal of some kind.
And it just continues to kind of suck in there as the blob continues to find ways to keep the United States pinned down while they try to bleed out the Russians, which is something that's simply not working.
Is Putin interested in getting out there?
Before that, but let me ask you this.
This is something, again, you have an informed opinion on.
You have been a government contractor who has worked in 78 different countries on behalf of presumably this nation's interest.
You've been all over the world.
This is something that came in.
So a listener writes, as I was reading through issues of the American Free Press, I came across a piece in which the author, Mike Walsh, conjectured that perhaps the depopulation of Ukraine was intentional.
We just mentioned that.
But he goes on to this.
The Jews' stated objective was to retake Russia as their Bolshevik ancestors had once done and whose descendants, the evil Putler, who Keith mentioned, has so cunningly deceived, they, of course, hope to carve it up into five different Russias and recommence their rape of these Balkanized republics.
But, he writes, this is a risky gamble as is their push for a greater Israel in the Middle East.
If their quest for greater Israel blows up in their faces, they could need an escape.
A depopulated Ukraine, courtesy of the West and Russia, would be ideal for them.
Well, okay, so that, and then don't forget, he writes, a lot of the Jews in Israel hail from Russia, are Russian speakers, know the culture, and they have a good idea of how to exploit and certainly have the desire to go to the city.
Given that they left this hated region for the welcoming arms of their fellow Jews in Israel.
Okay, any of that that you want to respond to, Patrick?
Yes, so I think that has more, I think that actually has greater weight, that theory.
And I don't think depopulating Ukraine is really a priority for anybody.
I don't think anybody really cares about Ukrainians.
I just don't think.
And I worked in Ukraine.
I worked extensively in Kiev.
So I don't really think the Ukrainian issue, I think Ukraine just happens to be in the way.
For the idea that having the Russian Federation broken up into five different, essentially large states, that does make sense.
And there's a long-standing hatred.
So it's really important for a lot of folks to understand that there are two distinct reasons for why the Middle Eastern-identified Jewish people hate the West or actually Europe, I should say.
One is because of the Roman siege in 70 AD, the destruction of the temple and so forth, who essentially the Romans just got sick and tired of at that time Jewish upstarts and so forth.
The second part as well is that the Khazars, and this goes right back to the Ashkenazi.
If you look at the Ashkenazi, you actually talked about in the book of Isaiah, chapter 51.
So the Ashkenazi Jewish people actually really have absolutely no ties whatsoever to the area that's now calling itself Israel.
The Ashkenaz are from an area of the South Caucasus, and they have had a long-standing beef with the folks that are the Russians, who became the Russians over years, a confluence of both Slavic, Eastern Asian, and also Nordic peoples that make what Russia is genetically today.
And they have a very defined hatred.
And the Bolshevik Revolution was very clear that this is a hatred for Russia.
There has been talk about breaking up Russia into five different states.
Talked about extensively, Vigno Brzezinski, who is a Polish member of the administration for Carter, and he had a lot of weight with future administration, Joseph Nye as well, Assistant Secretary of Defense under Clinton.
They've talked about this for years.
A lot of folks have talked about this for years.
So this is something that has gone on now for a while, is the idea that the Jewish desire to destroy Russia is a deep, deeply rooted element of who they are.
And that does make sense.
The idea of depopulating the Russians, the idea of draining the blood of Russia to destroy it in every way possible, both financially, to destroy its capacity from an economic perspective, its military perspective, et cetera.
The other thing, too, to point out is this.
When the Russian federal, when the territory, the Eurasian plateau, the Russians themselves fought quite aggressively against East Asian hordes that were mostly Islamic.
Talking about the various Mongol hordes that came into Russia and so forth, the area, the groups that were protected, and actually the groups that thrived under Russian suppression, under Russian Christian suppression, were Jews, Bukharian Jews out of Uzbekistan.
I've been to Bukhara in Uzbekistan.
I've seen it.
Some of the Central Asian Jewish communities, almost 10% of the population in Kyrgyzstan at the time of the Soviet Empire's Soviet Union's collapse, were of Jewish extraction.
They enjoyed a great deal of benefits within these Islamic, what ultimately became Islamic Republic.
These Jewish communities had an enormous amount of weight and they have purposely sought to destroy Russia as a Christian entity for hundreds, maybe even thousands of years.
So when the Russians, the Russians have a very unique sense of self, they have a very unique sense of their Eastern Orthodox traditions.
They have a sense of their Eastern Roman belief, the belief that they are really the true Roman Empire.
They're the true descendants of the Roman Empire coming out of, at what time, what have been Constantinople.
So for the Russians themselves, having this Christian identity very critical to them, fighting aggressively against this, and to have had Jewish subverts within the broader territory of Russia, that makes a whole lot of sense.
That makes a lot more sense than Ukraine is kind of sort of a stepping stone to go into Russia.
It's always been using Stevi Tone to go into and out of Russia.
But for the Russians, for internal elements, especially Jewish elements of a long historical hatred for Russia, even though they themselves have a lot of Russian blood in them.
And again, it's really, this goes back to an Ashkenaz component that is Patrick.
Ashkenazis are 85% of the world's Jewish population now, and they all came from the Caucasus, as you said.
You know, they were between the Christian North and the Muslim South, and they wanted to trade back around 800 to 900 AD with both groups.
And they used to tell the Muslims they were Muslims and the Christians they were Christians.
And their king said, this is going to backfire.
We got to do something different.
And he decided we're going to all convert to Judaism at that point.
So there, but, you know, Ukraine is just next door to Russia.
And I think that the NATO people want to move NATO right next door to Russia.
And they want to threaten Russia.
We've talked about this with our guests last week, with David Duke, with so many others.
I mean, we understand the fundamental reasons for this war.
Charles Bosman has been excellent on this issue.
But I would bring up one question to you, Patrick, that we addressed last week.
Who do you think benefited most from the recent summit in Alaska?
Or do you think that it was significant at all, Putin or Trump?
I don't think it really was significant at all.
Again, I think Trump is looking for an exit.
I think he would like to get out.
I just don't think he's capable of getting out.
And again, this is not a slight on Trump.
I just, I think the blob is in control and the blob will do what the blob does.
And I really do believe that Trump is making a calculated choice that, okay, well, if I have to do something, let's focus on domestic affairs.
Let's focus on so far.
That he's not really, he's still in many ways outsourcing those international affairs to entities that are well beyond, well, well deeply beyond his control.
We have a secretary of, we don't have, we no longer have a, pardon the interruption, go ahead, but Putin, give us the Putin side.
Yeah, yeah, I was just saying, Putin, Putin, so I think what Putin was hoping for was some kind of alliance that would allow to break some of the financial stranglehold.
That did not happen.
In fact, it got worse.
So I think for Putin's perspective, I think Putin doesn't want to have, he really wants the territories that he's claimed, which are ethnically Russian territories anyway.
Ukraine really is a Russian territory, to be honest.
I mean, always had been historically had in his former capital Russia.
So, but that said, I think he was looking for some kind of exit, and that did not happen either.
And so, I mean, between the two elements, I don't think either man won.
In fact, if anything happened at all, I do believe that the one group that probably won the most out of this is China, which is that Trump clearly does not have control as much as we might think he does on a government apparatus that's just working as it feels like doing so.
And then Russia, of course, needing an economic out, and that economic out is being offered by the Chinese, especially after the most recent reactions to India.
You know, that's a very interesting thought, Patrick, because it was our freezing of Russia's dollar reserves that I think really got Russia's attention and got them, put an impetus behind the drive for BRICS to be an alternative source of international exchange to the U.S. dollar.
And I think that's the biggest threat that Trump sees out of the, you know, he sees basically half of the world abandoning the dollar standard.
And if you do that, we can't just print money anymore.
We're going to go the way of Great Britain.
Yeah, there's another, you're right.
And I think there's another element as well, which is being completely ignored.
Treasury Secretary of Descent has been hyper-focused on the 10-year Treasury bond, which is usually a benchmark for where a government's going.
Now, the interesting thing about this is every other Treasury bond system or some variant of the Treasury bonds, sovereignty bonds, have largely fallen in terms of their value.
The U.S. bond has actually increased in terms of value, which has now been able to moderate some of the rates.
He's been really fighting and struggling to try to get it below that four-point basis, that four-point interest or percentage ratio.
Now, what this means is this, from a borrowing perspective, as the U.S., for a while there, the U.S. bonds began to collapse in terms of overall global value, meaning that folks were not investing in the United States as much.
And that's largely due to what you just talked about, the BRICS.
Yeah, that it would be an alternative.
The alternative is not ready yet.
The problem for it is that China's ready, Russia's ready.
India is really not.
India is a financial and economic mess.
South Africa clearly is not.
Brazil is questionable.
It probably is not either.
The Lula government is a disaster.
So when you look at these elements that are out there, the U.S. has now all of a sudden become a safe haven again for investors who really are looking at global uncertainty, which has helped us from a borrowing perspective, despite the Federal Reserve, which has been a big challenge.
Clearly anti-Trump, very much anti-American, to be honest.
American, the Fed is just an evil.
It's been that way since 1913.
Why would they change now?
Yes, 1 million%.
So I could not agree with you more.
So, you know, with regard to this now, the BRICS component, the economic fear that really is within certain elements, not just of the Trump administration, and again, Descent to his credit.
Again, I'm not a huge fan of gay fellows that are in charge of the whole Treasury Department's disaster zone, right?
But that said, the one thing I will give him credit for is he recognizes threat.
He's been fighting this threat since February, since he came on board.
If you look at this, folks, both Democrats and Bissent, yes, Treasury Secretary of Descent, he's actually been fighting this issue for a while.
And there are senators, both Democrats and Republicans, who are looking at this.
In fact, it's a bipartisan bill.
One of it is being led on the Republican side by a fellow Floridian, House Representative Stoob, who is now looking at this as well as having a tariff so we can begin paying off our deficit and ultimately our debt because of the issues that we have, because of this challenge, because of the financial uncertainty, and especially because of the bond issue is such a question mark right now.
We have had some strength in the bond market that has helped us, that will help overall American borrowers, big companies and corporations.
But that said, this whole thing, this rug can be pulled out from underneath us if there is an alternative.
And right now, the alternative is not there, but hell, it's coming.
And when it does, and I think this is what Trump is seeing, when it does, that's the big fear.
I think a lot of this is very much economically driven.
And I think a lot of this, this negotiating is happening around Ukraine maybe have a lot more to do with the blob wants to destroy Russia because it's Jewish control.
But I think that there's another part of it, too, which is the economic part of it, where they're looking to see Russia walk away from this idea of a BRICS currency with alternative currency.
And I don't see Russia really having an option but to continue to pursue that in a much more aggressive fashion because the United States is giving them no other alternative.
Well, you know, you talk about China and Russia particularly being the strongest members of BRICS.
Also, how does this relate to the Silk Road, which would go, as I imagine, right through those Soviet Muslim nations, you know, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, all of those things.
You've served in those nations.
Tell us about them, and are they a key to what is unfolding with BRICS?
So, yes.
I mean, in terms of what a lot of folks understand is there are 92 Turkic-speaking tribes in Central Asia and of the Turkish-speaking tribes, that is, two of which had had a profound influence on world affairs, the Ottomans and the Seljuk Turks, who ultimately became what's modern-day Turkey.
But Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, and also Turkmenistan.
Now, Tajikistan is a Karsi-speaking area, but the other stands are Turkic tribes.
These are Turkic peoples, sort of the Mongols for that matter.
So when China looks at things, Chinese really is a Han.
It's still a Han dynasty.
It's still a Han country.
So, again, this goes really deep into history.
We can go really deep in here.
But here's the deal.
The Chinese want to have the Silk Road initiative.
It is not doing as well as they're not going fast and as well as they thought it would.
That's because a lot of the folks that are in the center of the Eurasian plateau, like Kazakhstan, like Uzbekistan, like Kyrgyzstan, don't trust the Chinese.
They don't trust the Chinese.
They don't trust the Russians.
They don't trust the Americans.
They have much deeper ties with Turkey.
They have historical ties to Turkey.
They have linguistic ties to Turkey.
The multiple times that I've worked into, which is the capital of Uzbekistan.
Turkey has a profound influence on Uzbekistan.
Turkmenistan itself, of course, has a deep relationship with Turkey as well.
And so Turkey now is a wildcard here because Turkey, as a NATO player, doesn't really see the United States as a long-term ally.
They really, they're questioning their relationship with Europe.
And Turkey itself has recently reasserted itself into the Middle East.
You see this in Syria.
So where Turkey now is coming back into the pole, taking a much greater and more prominent position in Islamic affairs in the Middle East and really is none of right now on top of Israel.
Patrick ignored this.
Patrick, I will have to do to you as I did to our guest of the second hour, Nick Scanlon, and leverage our friendship for another segment because we have not even yet gotten into Israel and Iran.
We've been focusing primarily on Russia and Ukraine.
And we have another question on that topic that has just come in via email.
Can you stay one more segment?
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Extended Play with Patrick Martin.
I have leveraged our friendship to squeeze another 15 minutes out of his family schedule tonight.
But we have a great email that came in from a mutual friend of ours just before the wire.
I caught it just as it was coming in before the break, and we still have to talk about Israel and Iran.
But one more question about Russia.
This is a great question.
I'll preface it by reading his, well, I guess it's a foreword to the question.
Preamble.
The Russian people's overthrow of the Soviets in 1990 was a long-desired miracle to my white Russian friends and to me.
I attended a party that the descendants of the original white Russian immigrants threw in celebration of the long prayed for liberation of their ancestral homeland.
The white Russians were so emotionally moved by this event that they openly sobbed.
A mix of joy and grief at all at once for that they and all other Russians had suffered.
After the fall of the Soviet government, the patriarch of the Russian Orthodox Church immediately met with Yeltsin and offered thanks for the end of the long communist nightmare.
Statues of Bolshevik leaders came down.
Streets that had been named for Bolshevik leaders had their old Tsarist names restored.
The museums opened exhibits telling the truth about the Tsar, Russian history, the real story of the Bolshevik revolution.
But now, our friend writes, I detect a chilling change.
The old Soviet period is being glorified now, even under Putin, and invested with nostalgia.
Statues of Lenin and Stalin are being put back up.
American and NATO hostility seems to be causing a restoration and a nostalgia for Leninist and Stalinist Russia.
Could you ask Mr. Martin what he thinks of this?
Have you seen any of that, Patrick?
Do you agree?
This is a wonderful thing.
And what will it lead to?
Yeah, it's a great question.
I don't think the, so I think your friend, our friend, it's not going to be a return to the Bolshevik ideal.
I think the recent embrace of Soviet strengthening, or Soviet history, I should say, is more because of the nationalist appeal.
This comes kind of out of the Stalinists more than the Leninists.
If they don't do that, they're going to have to denounce their heritage, basically.
Well, this is still a fascinating and very intricate question.
Go ahead, Patrick.
Yeah, I think so.
So I think that's exactly it.
I think what you have right now is the idea of Stalin having been as a strong, powerful leader who guided the Soviet Union during a very troubled time.
Now, I'm not a fan of Stalin at all.
I'm not a fan of communism whatsoever.
But I think that's part of the idea is the concept that we have a strong heritage that was able to win World War II, that was able to hold this back.
This is the idea that I think Putin is trying to embrace.
I don't believe it's communism, and I certainly don't believe it's any form of love for Marxism in the same way.
I don't think it's the same kind of threat of Bolshevism.
I just think that what you look, when you look at Russian history, there have been ebbs and flows of Russian strength.
And folks fail to realize that France, which is not exactly, I mean, it was strong at one time, but even at the time of Napoleonic France, was not necessarily a powerhouse.
I mean, it just came out of a revolutionary phase in its own right that was devastating to its identity, was able to come in and conquer significant forces of Russia and take Moscow, which even the Germans never able to do.
So when you look at the idea of Russia, and you look at the idea of Russian history, periods of strength is what they're looking for.
This is where Putin is trying to place it where it's Russia against the rest of the world.
And that's the idea that I think he's trying to really try to solidify.
The idea that this is our territory.
The Eurasian plateau is ours.
And this is when strength is necessary right now.
And the most recent remembrance of strength was obviously during Stalinist Russia.
When you think about it during the 1990s, Yeltsin and so forth, the Russians were insanely weak.
It was so pathetic, actually, that we were able to crush Russia in so many ways.
We talked about this sort of winning the peace and being benevolent and so forth.
We were definitely not benevolent to Russians at all.
We certainly were not benevolent to any of the Russian, the former Russian allies, like the Serbians, who wound up getting smacked around and having Kosovo taken away from them, which is a whole other ballgame.
So which was completely immoral, what we did with the whole Kosovo fight.
So I think what you see is that he's looking for strength, and I just think that that's what it's for, is the most recent identity of Russian strength was during that phase.
But I do not believe this is a gravitation towards the Bolshevist side of it.
I think there's more of a gravity towards the nationalist side.
The nationalist side, yeah.
Well, yeah, Putin seems to be very intent upon that.
He wants to, he's always emphasizing.
Remember, he went to visit the graves of the Russians during the Soviet era during World War II that ferried Lind-Lease planes and trucks and stuff over to Russia through Siberia.
Well, I was in Alaska.
Well, I think you're right, Patrick, and I hope you're right.
Yeah.
Go ahead.
We've got to move to Israel and Iran.
Go ahead.
Final word.
Listen, final word on that was the recent celebration in China about China having this relationship with Russia and now they helped win World War II.
The Chinese were a hindrance to World War II for those folks.
So, I mean, the Chinese have actually no right whatsoever to take any kind of claim for some kind of win, maybe over the Japanese because they kind of got it.
Yeah, taking a victory lap for a victory they weren't even part of.
They allowed the nationalist Chinese and the Japanese to duke it out while they kind of sat in the back and waited for the victor to emerge.
So, you know, this whole idea of this, but again, that part of it is just a nationalist identity.
So I just want, I think that's a big part of it.
And I think that's one of the reasons why you start to see that.
I wouldn't be concerned with the Bolshevik lurch.
Well, I mean, we still don't need those statues going back up, that's for sure.
And this is a fascinating question and observation and a great answer from you, too.
But this is something we need to keep an eye on.
That is a misplaced ideal there.
But I do still feel, though, that Russia is the key to white survival, certainly white Christian survival as it stands today.
Now, we had intended to do a segment on Russia and a segment on Israel.
We did two and a half segments on Russia.
We got like one minute for Israel.
But I got to ask you this, Patrick, because you've been all over the world as a government contractor for Uncle Shmuel, and you have a fascinating story.
I mean, if people don't know you.
So Israel and Iran, we were on the air live in June with David Duke and then Mark Weber.
And when Mark Weber was on, the bombs literally started falling.
We came back from a commercial break live on the show on a Saturday night.
And I said, Mark, since the break, Trump started dropping bombs on Iran.
What do you think about it?
I mean, this is all happening in real time.
But that was a weird thing because, I mean, you know, you bomb and you run.
I mean, everybody claimed victory.
Nothing was stopped.
Nobody really even died.
What really happened there in June?
It reminds me of Vietnam where the congressman told Lyndon Johnson, let's declare victory and get the hell out.
Okay, I mean, but I mean, that was a weird thing.
I mean, because I anticipated at that point that America was going all in at the behest of their overlords, and that was what was going to happen.
A limited bombing with not much damage to Iran's nuclear program, certainly not a loss of life.
America then withdrew.
Israel, Iran, and America all claimed victory.
That was a weird thing.
I mean, what was going on?
What is going on with a minute remaining?
I mean, we could have gone an hour on this.
Yeah, I mean, again, for those who don't know, I did my thesis on Iran.
I worked in Iran.
I worked on Iranian affairs.
When I worked for the government over Iranian affairs, I got fired by Rumso because of my take on Iran.
Donald Russell fired me.
So Iran, so here's the deal.
We did nothing.
And I think what you saw is that the United States right now has got a significant.
So the Iranians recognize that they could continue to use a low cost, low altitude capacity to disrupt Israeli defenses, their defenses.
The United States does not have the supply chain logistics capacity to continue supporting the kind of tactical high-altitude aerial defense systems pads for the area.
They've already depleted much of the reserves, obtains Ukraine.
They don't have that really to the region in a whole.
Many of the regional allies to the United States wondered why we would even do this.
I think the Iran attack, in my personal opinion, was really for show that we will step in if we need to do so.
Really, what we did is blew off some doors.
The Iranians had plenty of warning.
They knew this was coming.
They moved most of their elements of enrichment production elsewhere that they've got.
There's 12 different facilities that we know of in Iran, and we hit, supposedly, we hit three.
So that means there's 12 elements there, and we didn't hit any of the heavy water facilities.
So that would mean that we, on top of it, just something to point out.
Had we actually hit something that was legitimate and severe, we would have created a disaster that would affect our own troops in Bahrain, the naval base in Bahrain, and Qatar, which has got the airbase there.
So the idea that we were going to actually hit somebody or hit them is ridiculous.
The fact is, and I do believe this, I think the United States, and especially I think the Trump team, recognizes that Iran is going to be a nuclear power at some point in time.
And they just want to make sure that we're going to be able to go to some kind of even playing ground independent of Israel, which I do think we are decoupling from Israel.
Wow, what an interesting place to leave it at tonight.
Patrick Martin, thank you so much.
I'll talk a little bit more about you when we come back.
Thank you for giving us extended time with you tonight.
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Well, folks, Patrick Martin, who you just heard from, may have the most interesting bio of any, well, I mean, it's at least up there, right?
Of any guest.
I'll read it again.
Patrick, this is his official bio at Amazon.
Now, remember, Patrick helped us publish.
He was the publisher of our book, The Honorable Cause, A Free South, which I and Michael Hill and 10 other contributors contributed to.
That book came out a couple of years ago, made a big splash.
Patrick Martin was its editor.
And he has also a walk in the park, My Charlottesville story, which is his own book.
But he has an Amazon author page, and this is what his bio reads.
Patrick Martin is a devout Christian, a felon, and an advocate for southern secession.
He holds dual American and Irish citizenship.
He is the son of an Irish mother and an American father.
His American grandmother has deep roots in Virginia.
His Irish grandmother played a significant role in his upbringing in Ocala, Florida.
And then it goes into everything else we mentioned about being a former government contractor, working in 78 countries on behalf of Uncle Shmuel and in the hot spots of the geopolitical climate, the Soviet Union, former Soviet Union, Eastern Europe, Middle East, and sub-Saharan Africa.
This is an informed guy.
When we bring you a guest, we try to bring you the best of the best, do we not?
And we have been doing it for a long time.
So long, in fact, there is a room in our house that my wife is going to soon repurpose.
And we were going through a closet, and cleaning out that closet, we found this unopened DVD, Keith, from I don't know what year, but it is entitled America Under Attack.
Oh, this was Sonny Landamary.
I've got a copy of that.
Sonny Landam.
Now, this was Sonny Landam, who was the action movie star of the 1980s par excellence.
He starred in 48 Hours with Nick Knowlton.
Played Billy and Predator?
Well, that was his iconic role, Billy and Predator, the sci-fi.
I mean, that is the quintessential sci-fi action movie of all time with Arnold Schwarzenegger.
He actually survived the longest of any actor in that film, not named Arnold Schwarzenegger.
And that was Predator 48 Hours with Nick Nolte and Eddie Murphy, so many others.
And he spoke at the kickoff party to TPC in, well, we went on the air.
We went on the air in October of 04, our kickoff party.
We said, well, my God, we might actually stick around longer than a couple of weeks.
We had our kickoff party in January of 2005.
We went on the air in late October of 05.
You used to have a lot of Council of Conservative Citizens.
Well, in this movie.
Well, this is the point.
So we went on the air in the late fall of the late October of 2004.
Once we found out we're actually going to stay on the air, we had a kickoff party in January of 05.
Sonny came to that.
Sonny was a great guy, Hollywood movie star, but one of us.
Ran for governor in Kentucky.
I got him hooked up with the Council of Conservative Citizens.
And in this movie, America Under Attack, this DVD that was made possible because of TPC, you see Sonny Landam along with Gordon Baum, Brent Nelson, and Miles Walpin talking about the fact that the future of America is in great doubt, talking about Marxism, talking about all the issues we talk about.
Hollywood movie star Sonny Landam, Sonny's dead, Gordon's dead, Nelson's dead, Miles is dead, everybody in this thing.
And they were all great, and we had a chance to work with them all.
I say dead.
I mean, that sounds good.
They were kind of our spiritual ancestors.
They are, have been gathered under their fathers.
Gordon Baum was, I mean, he's Brad Griffin's father-in-law.
Yeah, they were all great.
Okay.
I mean, we had a chance to work with them all.
I said this in one of the breaks tonight.
Well, I've said it before.
You go through my iPhone, half the people in my contacts are dead.
And we're in heaven.
However, you want to phrase it.
However, you need to phrase it.
But all of these, it's just been a hell of a thing.
A wonderful thing.
A wonderful thing, this thing that we've done.
All these years, Keith, working with, I mean, working with movie stars, celebrities.
I mean, we've interviewed everyone from Victoria's Secret models to the girl who put Anthony Weiner, who ruined his career, Sidney Leathers, all of these people.
But of course, what we're known for is interviewing, not just interviews.
I mean, they're not interviews.
It's not host and guest relationships.
The people we have on this program, like the people you've heard from tonight, are our friends.
They're our family.
But we've been doing this for a long, long time.
And then, you know, I think about all the stuff behind the scenes.
I mean, how many people even listening tonight knew that we had a hand in this DVD?
I mean, we brought Sonny to the council.
I mean, Sonny spoke at a council meeting in Kentucky.
There are wonderful.
My wife was there.
I was there.
We spoke there.
Sonny.
She was there and I was there.
But there are direct.
I mean, Sonny Lando.
Well, this is the thing.
I mean, you know, if you can work with, and we've had entertainers, we've had singers.
We've had, you know, Ted Nugent on the show.
We've had movie stars.
We've had, you know, all these different people.
But we've had the people that do the heavy lifting.
But I think it is wonderful when you can have people that have this credibility on the program with us and share our ideas.
And anyway, that's one thing.
But working behind the scenes to get that DVD produced, we need to actually recreate that, reproduce more copies of that DVD and maybe offer it for a future fundraising.
Exactly.
Because, I mean, nobody's got this.
Nobody's got this.
Very few.
Well, hold on.
My wife just walked into the.
She came to pick me up.
What do you got?
I just said Gordon Baum is pretty special.
You remember Gordon?
Yeah, he was great.
Oh, hang on.
All right.
So, but he's Brad Griffin's father-in-law.
No, his entire family is wonderful.
Who do you really love?
All of them.
Who?
Oh, Sam Dixon.
If I were to pick my all-time favorite people that I've known or grown up around, I would definitely say Sam Dixon.
But there's been so many people that have had, that have been amazing, like Jared Taylor.
You always make me flustered.
But I was talking about how Gordon Baum's family is wonderful.
All of them are just the sweetest, most loving family ever.
But I mean, there's a lot of people who have been a part of the show and a part of our family.
That's David Duke, Sam Dixon, Sam Dick.
Sam Dixon's just my favorite.
I don't.
Okay.
Well, anyway.
All right, keep going.
I mean, I don't know.
I just walked in, so I really, I don't know what y'all are talking about tonight, but there's been so many people that have been a part of this show, you know, for so long and been huge parts of my life.
And I haven't just seen them as political people and big, huge people in this political movement, but just friends and family.
Well, that's what it is to us.
And that is the truth.
And this has been an impromptu segment, but to be sure.
I'll tell you one more thing.
You got to get your headset back.
I know you want to talk to her, but we've got to finish the show.
But this thing about Buchanan, though, in the Medal of Freedom and all that, one thing that I brought up with Kevin Deanna in this interview that we did over at Amrend for his Identity Politics, this is a new podcast.
He's only, I think, about less than 20 episodes in.
He's interviewing all the people that we know and love.
I mean, so many familiar faces here on TPC.
But the Buchanan year, which gave me my, that was my nascent coming of age year, 19 and 20 years old.
My birthday's in June, so I'm one age half the year and the other age the other half.
But if Buchanan had not run, he would have not stopped Trump from becoming the Reform Party nominee.
If Trump had become the Reform Party nominee, he would have gotten thrashed by Bush and Gore in 2000.
He would have never become president.
So there's that.
I mean, there is that.
But also, if he had not received 0.4% of the vote, he would have done well enough to elect Al Gore.
And if Al Gore had been elected president, then people would be saying, well, if we could have only gotten Bush.
But because we got Bush, we got this horrendous Jewish-controlled neoconservative eight years of America.
I have, I truly believe God's hand has been on my life, this program, the Buchanan camp.
I mean, all of that had to work out just perfect to get us where we are now.
And through Trump, like Nick Griffin was saying earlier, similar to Nigel Farage, he is not the terminus, but he is a path to something more, I think.
Yeah, it's been serendipity, really, the way things have worked out for this show.
I'll have to admit, God's hand has to be in it because we basically started with nothing.
It was just a wing and a prayer.
And I think I got involved about a year after you started.
You originally came on as a guest.
And you were so impressive.
I said, well, you know, do you want to be a co-host?
Well, I called into the show one time.
I remember where I was in Memphis on the road.
And Bill Rowland and you were going, and you said, and Bill Rowland said to you, we got to get this guy on.
So that's how things happen.
But, you know, it was just the right thing.
God will be done.
Yeah, the right alignment of the stars, basically, is what happened.
And, you know, we were just talking about this during the last break.
We have done stuff that no one else has done or even thought of doing.
At the very least, we did it first.
That is true.
Yeah, we have, for example, the Drew Lackey interview.
Nobody else bothered to interview this man.
His story would be lost to history if we had, and you in particular, had not tracked him down and gotten him to.
Well, there's some advantages to getting to a position first, but there are many other people who are doing great work now.
We're thankful for them.
A lot of people doing work, I'm sure, that exceed our capabilities.
But we've done it the first, and we've done it the longest, and we want to keep doing it.
And the connections that we make behind the scenes and the facilitation we do behind the scenes, whether it's getting a DVD produced for the CFCC, featuring a Hollywood movie star, or putting Kevin McDonald in touch with the Envelope Hill Publishing.
And now this thing's number one on Amazon in its category.
I mean, we have had a hand in a lot of things behind the scenes that people just don't know.
But you know, if you listen, we need to support this third quarter.