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July 6, 2025 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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Radio Show Hour 1 – 2025/07/05

Lew Moore returns with some thoughts on the Middle East before we begin to refocus our attention on more positive news, such as Alligator Alcatraz and the Big Beautiful Bill.

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You're listening to the Liberty News Radio Network, and this is the political cesspool.
The Political Cesspool, known across the South and worldwide as the South's foremost populist conservative radio program.
And here to guide you through the murky waters of the Political Cesspool is your host, James Edwards.
Happy Independence Day weekend, ladies and gentlemen.
We are live with you tonight this Saturday, July the 5th, and had a great 4th of July yesterday at my house.
My wife and kids, my parents, her family, extended family, food, music, fireworks.
We did it all as families are wont to do this time of year.
We normally have a Independence Day spectacular here on the program.
We're still going to touch on some of those things, but we're not going to do the usual show because everything has been pushed back as a result of the foreign policy situation over the course of the last month.
It's just pushed back our programming.
But we do have a great show for you tonight, nonetheless, and it begins right now with Lou Moore.
Every time we introduce Lou Moore, we remind you that he was Ron Paul's presidential campaign manager, congressional chief of staff for six years in Washington.
But Lou is a lot more than that, as you'll find out at Lewemoore.com, where you can get his podcast, Hour of Decision, get the book if you don't have it already.
Be sure to check it all out.
Lou, it is great to have you back on this holiday weekend.
Great to be here, James.
I want to read something to you to set the table for our first topic of conversation.
It's a letter that came from an attendee at the conference that you spoke at, our Will to Power conference, just about a month ago.
Here's what it reads.
Listener and an attendee from New Hampshire writes, Dear James, thanks for another great conference in Carolina Del Sur, as Bill Jose and I would say at the Hispanic table.
Great speakers, food and fellowship, as expected.
I'm not sure if I'm glad the Iran issue came to a head just afterwards.
It would have made for some interesting conversations and the hottest, freshest take from our best thinkers, but it would have cast a pall over what I felt was an otherwise festive occasion.
I am hopeful that this largely blows over and the new Trump presidency continues to deliver.
I was highly dubious about the prospects of punished Trump, but I was happy to be proven wrong so far.
Another debacle in the Middle East as Trump morphs into W, though, would be vindication I wouldn't welcome.
If that happens, I guess I'll sit with Rich Hamblin and Warren Bailag at their table next conference.
I'm not wedded to the Trump cult of personality as so many normies are, and we'll leave him behind like Flotsam and Jetsam if it comes to it.
I was quite ready to leave mainstream politics for the alternative community option in 2014 and still am today.
But I enjoy your conferences, partly for the chance to network with people who are ready to build parallel societies, which is in the end where we need to go anyway.
Thank you for you and all your crew does for us.
So that is the question, Lou.
Lou, that is the question.
So now here we are.
Where do you stand on Trump taking the big picture?
We're trying desperately to move off of this topic, but we need to talk to you about it before we can do that.
Yeah, well, I think, James, what happened over the last month just shows that Trump does not have enough leverage over the Israel lobby.
Now, I'm aware that some of your listeners see more nefarious things going on as far as Trump and Israel and all that, but this was a total derailment, just like you're talking about.
It is a derailment for our conversations, our planning, our analysis of things.
I think it's a tremendous derailment of MAGA, and I do not think he wanted that.
But he was trying to get this bill through Congress, and as your old boss, Pat Buchanan, said more than once, Capitol Hill is Israeli-occupied territory, and that hasn't really changed.
So, you know, I think it was just a leverage situation where he just didn't have enough leverage to stop them, at least initially, but they tried to suck him into a war, not just hitting these nuclear facilities.
And so far, he seems to be resisting that.
I mean, reports I heard, he literally told Netanyahu to turn around 200 aircraft that were heading straight for Iran as Netanyahu was planning to bomb the living hell out of them, you know, as they were trying to start this ceasefire.
So, I mean, every day is a new day in this world.
We seem to wake up into a new world every day here.
But I'm still, I mean, I am still solidly with Trump at this hour of history, at this time, at this time for our movement.
I think he is far more positive than not, but it was not his finest hour when he bombed those facilities.
And it was certainly a horrid thing that we may not be out of yet to think that the Israel lobby still has this much leverage and that we came within an inch, at least so far, of being sucked right into a war in the Mideast, which we do not need under any circumstances.
I'm tossing this to Keith right now, Lou, but I just want to chime in very quickly to say that I agree with your assessment.
Every word of it I echo.
Keith, well, I see it very much the same, just a little bit different.
I think that Trump really doesn't want to be the tool of B.B. Netanyahu and the Israelis, and that he basically worked up a strategy.
He said, you're complaining about a nuclear threat.
Well, I'm going to take care of the nuclear threat.
So he bombed what was basically an empty facility by then because the Israelis have been bombing the bejeebras out of it for about a week or 10 days before.
And then he declares it is the most effective and efficient bombing mission ever made in the history of mankind.
And, you know, all of these people like Philip Giraldi and whatnot that are trying to put down or cast shade on Trump for that.
Paul Craig Roberts said it, Ben said, don't do that.
Let him claim victory.
Do like they said back in Vietnam.
I forget who said this to LBJ.
He said, let's declare victory and get the hell out.
Well, this is something, Keith, you bring up a good point.
Lou, I would say your opinion on this is just as good as anyone else's, but that would be untrue.
Your opinion on this is going to be much more informed because you're one of the people that we have the privilege of being able to talk to that knows a little bit more about how the system truly works because I know you always say, well, I don't ever want to be associated with the system, but you have been in Washington.
You have played power politics.
You've worked with congressional members of Congress.
And so you do know more.
The coverage we've tried to present on this program the last month, we've tried to bring in the best of the best of the people.
You know how the swamp creatures think.
Well, this is my question to you then, Lou, is, I mean, 12 days and you can't hardly say that Israel could declare any realistic victory.
How do you make sense of the confusion that seems like everybody's declaring victory, but nobody really won anything?
Yeah, well, of course, everybody tries to declare victory in politics if they're not blaming somebody else for whatever isn't a victory.
But, you know, I mean, they're saying, oh, we've got to go back in because maybe we didn't get all of the nukes.
We've got to go back in to protect our troops at these outposts that we have all over hell out there.
And, you know, they're manufacturing these things, but I think Trump pretty effectively shut that down for now.
For now.
And, I mean, we shall see.
It's pretty ominous, though, isn't it, that he's going to have this big hoop-de-raw in Washington.
Netanyahu's coming over to see slurvy sycophants like Johnson and whatnot, you know, and scraping.
Well, we hold our breath for what will take place the first couple of days of next week.
But any guess?
Yeah, any guesses on that?
Well, first of all, it's terrible optics to even have him over here, in my opinion.
But again, it's a leverage situation.
We can't keep this guy.
This guy's been inviting himself in.
How many times has he been over here now since Trump was in office?
And I've been told that he was not invited every time he's been over here.
And anyway, he thinks he's the real president of the United States.
Well, I think.
Well, continue on.
I want you to flesh out that thought.
Yeah, I mean, I don't think that.
I don't think that.
But he just, it's a leverage situation.
He just has, he still has a lot of leverage.
He's going to go see the Congress.
And again, Trump has been in a heated, very complicated negotiation, which he came out on top.
I don't know if the American people came out on top, but he came out on top with this big, beautiful bill.
But he's dealing with people who the Israelis seem to have a ton of leverage over.
And that, you know, we're still electing.
This goes back to some of my earlier episodes, James, on my show.
We're still electing members of Congress the way we always have, which is special interest money is buying these races.
Money talks and B.S. walks.
Money is B.S.
Yeah, you know, at the presidential level, we've got this aberration with Trump, but certainly at the congressional level, it's the same old deal.
And he does not have that many friends on Capitol Hill.
I can tell you that for a fact.
That's actually one of the things that I had considered, being a layman compared to you, when it comes to working in Washington professionally.
And that is that I understand there are people on our side who take the position, well, if we can't get everything from Trump, we'd rather have just had Kamala.
And they want Trump to say, we're cutting off all aid to Israel.
Now, that's somewhat.
Hold on a minute.
That is.
That's somewhat, you know, he could probably get away with that more so than as unrealistic as that is.
You can cut off funding to every other nation, but more so than saying, you know, listen, I'm going to tell you the truth about who really controls America and why I'm handstrung.
You know, he's not going to do that because if he did do that, if he did do that, as you just mentioned, Blue, I mean, that really would get him impeached because he is the president now in 2025.
He's not the president in 2045 when I think the power of this particular lobby will have waned much more so.
You do that right now.
You know, Congress will impeach you for that.
And so I look at our side.
Our side.
Magazine even more so, James.
Mag of fundamentalists.
Well, anyway, but I look at our side.
Our side did have a hand in electing Trump.
You look at when they said he lost in 2020.
We won't quibble.
But 3 to 5% of the white base that voted for him in 2016 set out.
He re-engaged enough of that number in 2024 paired with a historically weak candidate in Kamala Harris, and he's back in.
So, yes, we were an important part of that.
But you're the president of the United States.
You have a lot of people that have helped you and a lot of people that want things from you.
Yes, including the Jewish lobby, the Israeli lobby, APAC, and Adelson, Maryam Adelson, Sheldon Adelson, all of the people like that.
So he is pulled in different directions.
We have to be honest about that, and we have to look at this thing as a whole.
Are we better off still to this day, even with last month's misadventure, than we would have been otherwise?
I say yes.
And I know, Lou, you were listening to the show a couple of months ago when someone was making that point, and you said absolutely right.
You actually just said it earlier, a few minutes ago.
Yeah, and I do, but James, this is where, you know, you're a glass half-bull kind of guy.
I've known you well enough now to know that.
And this is the long line of things, as I call it.
Even Netanyahu has said aid to Israel will be coming to an end.
I mean, we can see the end of it.
The youth of America have had it with these endless wars.
Israel is totally in the tank with those numbers.
Rich Barris, who is a friend of mine, a pollster that's in the Trump world, and he just did a poll.
He said, we would have lost Michigan.
We would have lost, he named like three states if this attack would have happened before, you know, with people understanding Trump causing this attack.
He wouldn't have won the election in these key states.
And politics is changing as far as more people getting involved, which allows more races to be funded outside of the Beltway.
And so so many things are going our direction.
And all of those things going our direction are not going in the Israel lobby's direction.
But, you know, we're just not there yet.
Well, the one thing that we do need to keep in mind is the Wolfowitz Doctrine and the Clean Break Memorandum.
This is the last piece of the puzzle.
You know, that was landed.
They landed that particular aircraft carrier on us back in 95, and they've gone through every Muslim nation that they had on their hit list, except for Iran.
And he wants to finish that up.
I think basically the whole clean break memorandum has been a failure because they didn't replace anti-Israeli leaders with pro-Israeli leaders.
If anything, they got even more anti-Israeli people coming in.
But we have got to, you know, this is a last gasp chance for Netanyahu.
The walls are closing in on him.
They're starting the prosecution on him, as far as I know, in Jerusalem or Tel Aviv.
This is his last chance to get it done, and he's going to give it his best job when it comes to D.C.
He would certainly, and that lobby would certainly like a certain outcome.
And Lou, I think I agree with what you're saying here, is that Trump threaded the needle in such a way that he appeared to satisfy as many people as he could with this action.
I mean, it was really a tightroping thing.
I don't think a previous American administration, a neocon administration, a Bush administration would have held off after, would have pulled back after 12 days.
But let's talk to you more about this.
What we're doing right now, folks, is we're talking to the great Lou Moore.
He's offering his thoughts on the Middle East.
And the latter half of this hour, we're going to refocus our attention finally on some more positive news.
We're going to talk about Alligator Alcatraz.
We're going to talk about the Big Beautiful Bill, Lou's take on that.
But I got to direct you, I have to direct you to LouMore.com.
Click over on Hour of Decision.
Insightful, prescient analysis from Lou.
So we had the episode, episode 82, Staring Into the Jaws of Hell.
Lou talks about that nothing in this conflict can be looked at effectively without considering the situation in Ukraine and the South China Sea.
I want to get your take on that, Lou.
And then also in your most recent new upload at Hour of Decision, Louemore.com, you can find it.
It is, well, you look at the history of Israel and the Zionist movement as it relates to American presidents and foreign policy in the light of intertwined roles of the U.S. and the Jewish state in the last few weeks.
So, again, let's talk about anything pertaining to this issue that you feel the need to convey to our audience before we move on.
Well, I mean, as far, you know, I've been telling my audience that there are four existential, a word I really have grown to hate, but four existential crises that I'm counting on Trump dealing with because we can't.
I mean, we can do a lot on the ground and we need to do a lot on the ground, even right now, but these are four that he has to deal with, and that is the border, our civil liberties, the dollar, and our economy.
But the fourth one is three potential World War III flashpoints: the Mideast, Ukraine, and China.
And the only one where if you talk about kinetic conflict, the only one that's really in our national interest, and we don't want to get in a kinetic conflict in any of them, but the only one in our national interest is the China issue with Taiwan, because Taiwan produces 60% of our microchips that we use in this country right now.
And the trade lanes coming out of Korea and Japan and China and Taiwan, Vietnam, et cetera, et cetera.
Unfortunately, that's still the lifeline of our economy, which is a terrible thing.
But anyway, so we need to be paying a lot of attention to that area.
China has been ramping up confrontations on the high seas with all kinds of countries.
But meanwhile, because of the Mideast, we've moved two battle groups out of there, two whole battle groups, not just a few ships.
This is like, what is that, 60 warships?
And one of them was going to be decommissioned, but we moved it out into the Mideast and the other one, and then we moved another battle group in there.
So we're actually down.
They have a larger battle group.
They have two aircraft carriers with full battle groups around them, the Chinese do, in this hotspot in the South China Sea, and we only have one.
Now, I don't know what that means to some people, but to me, it's like, what the hell is going on here?
I mean, that's our priority.
And, you know, this is for the Mideast, which is our lowest priority.
But we got a big problem with Ukraine as well.
And Russia has just unloaded in the last, I think, 24 hours.
The strikes on Kiev are incredibly intense.
And I'm told now, I understand Putin is assembling almost 700,000 troops to finish off Ukraine.
We're in endgame there, I believe.
Well, do you think that that's related directly to what happened in Iran?
That they've used this as an opportunity?
All these things, James, are always interrelated.
And I'm not an inside player to tell you, oh, it happened exactly like this.
You can count on this being related.
First of all, we blew off 25% of our Thad missiles, which are defensive missiles, 25% of them protecting Israel in the last three weeks of our entire life.
And the other 75% will go if B.B. Netanyahu has his way.
I think China and Russia, Russia wants to get it over while we're in Ukraine.
While we're destroying the state, the army is waiting for us to play this.
If we get into a war with Tehran and with Iran, we won't have the resources to fight a war with anyone else.
That's what, you know, one thing, Lou, that you brought up a second ago.
I mean, it was interesting when the fleet was pulled out of the South China Sea.
I was almost looking for the chairman there to make a move on Taiwan.
It would have certainly been serendipitous timing.
But you brought this up.
It was so interesting to see so many ships, so many planes move, 200 planes, all the fleet, and nothing really happened.
That's bizarre.
Yeah, but the hour's young, unfortunately.
I mean, I don't know what's going to happen over there.
But, you know, there's so many.
Well, I tell you what.
No, go ahead.
China is hurting.
I mean, you know, foreign policy is always super complex.
China is really hurting internally.
And I think they would like to get the trade revved up a little bit more with us, at least in the very short term.
And, you know, there's intrigue with the royal family, even though they're not royals, but the family that pretty much controls the Communist Party and the other three families that support them.
I mean, there's so many things going on over there.
I don't know.
I mean, I'm kind of with you.
Why didn't you move on us right then?
But, you know, that would be it.
I mean, if they did that, I mean, there'd be missiles flying.
It wouldn't be conventional warheads.
And the thing about the missiles, Lou, is this.
Tehran and Iran have a great, you know, they have tons of missiles.
And all it takes is for one of those intercontinental ballistic missiles to hit one of our aircraft carriers.
It'll go down like Andrea Doria.
And, you know, they will that will be the greatest, you know, embarrassment to American military power imaginable.
And everybody else, you know, it's just too much at stake to roll the dice because Bibi wants to keep playing at the casino.
Again, I have to say, I think Trump has shown more restraint than we could have expected after it kicked off the way that it did.
Now, again, realistically speaking, Lou, as we mentioned, we've got a break coming up in a couple of minutes.
We have skipped the first break so we could work more time in on this.
I do want to move on to domestic issues in the last half of this hour with you, my friend.
But a final word to you on this foreign policy, Iran, Ukraine, Russia, China, you name it.
The time is yours and the floor is yours.
Yeah, well, for whatever mysterious reasons, at least at this moment, I think Netanyahu might be back in the box, as I like to say.
That's where I like to keep him, but foreign policy-wise.
But I think right now, honestly, just from what I've heard and seen, talked to two or three people last 48 hours, Ukraine is a serious situation right now.
So we will, you know, we shall see what happens there.
But, you know, Trump has admitted our missile stores are way down, all of them.
I mean, we were sending Ukraine tons of these defensive missiles and offensive missiles and drones.
I mean, we've just been pouring it in over there, and we don't have a manufacturing base anymore.
You know, this isn't World War II, the arsenal of democracy where we could crank out 5,000 tanks in three months.
And we've got Jewish parasites.
We've got Zelensky in Ukraine, and we've got Bibi in Israel, and they have an insatiable appetite for our munitions.
That is incredible, Lou.
You bring that up.
You are correct.
That is what has changed.
You would think that with American industrial might, we could crank these out on a spit and polish, but it is not 1940 anymore, 1942 anymore, when you had an industrialized and manufacturing-based country that you could do this.
And so that does certainly change the trajectory quite a bit.
And so now that they are depleted, what happens?
Well, and again, even this whole thing with Ukraine and Russia, it's happening this week, a slow news week.
It's 4th of July weekend.
I still haven't seen very much in the news about this.
Much more coverage on the big beautiful bill.
Yeah, well, my understanding is I think it was last night there was a hellacious missile and drone attack on Kiev from the Russians.
And then this has been, I mean, it's been building, but it's becoming obvious that Putin is putting all his chips in the center of the table.
And he told Trump on the phone: no, thanks.
We don't need a, we're going to have a bilateral negotiation as he's getting ready to.
Don't you think it'd be better for us, Lou, if Russia went ahead and finished the job on Ukraine?
Well, I'll tell you what, we'll pick that up in the second hour.
We've got Christine Lynn coming back on.
That's her bailiwick.
I mean, Lou could certainly give a great answer, and we can get his answer when we come back.
But the music is going.
I want to remind you, though, lumore.com, L-E-W-M-O-O-R-E.
LouMore.com.
We'll be right back with the man next.
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Saw a post this week.
It's Independence Day weekend.
Saw a post this week that a person, I don't know who it was, it was some random commenter on one of the social media platforms.
They fly the Betsy Ross flag, the Union Jack, and the Confederate flag, and they see no contradiction in that whatsoever.
We are an extension of Europe, and if you can allow yourself to think of America as that, there is still something to celebrate here.
Even with all the mistakes and all the backward steps we've taken since the founding of the Republic, there is still something about that that is worth remembering.
And with that, we toss it back to Lou.
Lou, let's move on now, if we can, to more positive news.
I want to get on to some domestic issues outside of the Middle East.
Let's talk.
Let's talk about immigration for a moment.
Alligator Alcatraz has been in the news this week.
This is a facility that is in the middle of impenetrable swamps in the Everglades.
If you've ever driven down Alligator Alley, which is I-75 from Naples across to Fort Lauderdale, I mean, you are going through some sure enough swampland.
And I have made that drive a few times, and it's something.
I mean, it is primeval.
And then now you've got this facility that's accessible only by boat or airplane in the middle of the Everglades.
I've seen a picture of it with literal, you know, actual alligators all around it in the water.
And this is where they're going to be housing some illegals.
This is, I think, the objects of this are very, very good for a base that wants this.
This is another thing about Trump that I like.
Without Trump, this would not be the majority of the voting public wants mass deportations.
This is an issue that would have not been a winning issue had it not been for Trump.
We need to remember these things too.
Lou, Alligator Alcatraz, your thoughts?
Well, I mean, it's fine.
It's kind of a gimmick.
It's great.
I mean, I'm all for having more detention facilities.
They need about 100 of these, James.
I mean, this is in the ocean.
But it's good.
But, you know, the stated purpose, I listened to the press conference that they had with DeSantis and Trump, which is kind of a soap opera in itself.
But anyway, the stated purpose is to have a place for them to reside while they're getting their due process.
And my violent objection is we need to get these people the hell out of here, suspend the writ of habeas corpus, and get them out.
And I'm talking, I'll tell you what I want to see, Lou.
I want to see them have a U.S. District Court judge convention and alligator out the drinks.
There you go.
There you go.
Yeah, maybe we could house 5,000 judges in that place.
But anyway, so it's great, but it is a gimmick.
But Trump does a good job, and he's working the problem.
DeSantis got a bunch of points.
He's trying to get his wife's position to run against the black congressman down there.
I forgot that O'Byrne is a very good person.
She looks a lot better.
She looks a lot better than he does.
I'll tell you that.
Yes, yes, indeed.
And, you know, he's had all kinds of DeSantis has had all kinds of problems down there with the state legislature and all that.
Anyway, this is all good for him.
And Trump's being very solicitous to him, although he did invite Byron Donald to the press conference where they were bragging about this stuff.
I tell you what, he's got the soap opera.
Quite the soap opera.
DeSantis, his wife, is the new Lurlene Wallace.
Well, I mean, yes, I mean, that's the most direct parallel you could make of that.
It does remind me of that.
But in any event, go ahead.
I was just going to say, Keith, we could only wish she was touched.
Well, I think you well, you know, certainly in terms of procedure, if not ideology.
But nevertheless, so listen, we got to be fair.
One thing here that we like to do is to be real about Trump.
Things we don't like, we'll call him out.
We'll tell you.
Things we do like, we'll tell you that too.
And we'll weigh it all in the balance.
Now, people are bringing up that this quote-unquote amnesty to hotel and restaurant workers to appease big agriculture, the restaurant industry lobbyists, things like that.
But even in doing this, Trump said, hey, he called us the people who think like us, the radical right.
He said, some of the radical right are not going to like this, but you know, I really like these people.
But he said, hopefully they'll understand.
Well, anyway, winking a nod, what do you think about that?
And is this a big deal when compared to what we were talking about during the break?
And that is that Tom Homan mentioned this week that in June, border crossings were down to zero.
Flat zero, Lou.
So compare and contrast those two things, good and bad.
Well, I mean, it's fantastic that border crossings are zero.
Of course, we had some Republican senators that thought we would have to let in 5,000 a day no matter what and made that deal with Biden.
And every one of them should never be forgotten, starting with James Lankford from Oklahoma.
But anyway, that's great.
And that's part of the problem.
But we got two other big parts of the problem.
One is legal immigration, which we don't have anywhere near the political leverage to take that on as we should.
And the other thing is getting at least, and I believe the number is closer to 20 million.
I hear everything from 10 to 20 million of the illegals that came in under Joe Biden.
But regardless of what the actual number is, I guess we don't even know.
But the gotaways, we got to get every one of at least those people out of here if possible while we have a friendly administration, you know, friendly to that idea.
And we are not moving very fast.
All right.
Well, you know.
Well, I want to ask you this while you're on that exact topic, while it's on my mind.
So this is Tom Homan.
Total border patrol encounters for the entire month of June was 6,070.
That's less than a single day under Biden.
As a matter of fact, the total number of encounters is less than half of a single day under Biden.
Also, none of the 6,070 were released into the U.S. Zero.
So, you know, that is the most secure border in American history, maybe.
That is something that is a feather in the cap of the Trump administration.
No doubt about it.
But what you're talking about is deportations.
Yes, everyone wants to see these massive deportations.
Now, Brad Griffin, our friend, who was a fellow speaker along with you, Lou, at our conference last month, he writes this, and I'll see if you agree.
And if you can tell us a little bit more about it, he writes that legal immigration is essentially unchanged, although in fairness to the Trump administration, the fault is of Congress where annual legal immigration levels are set by statute.
That is a separate animal than deportations, but we'll weave it all in together to you, Lou.
Yeah, well, I'll tell you one thing that maybe a lot of folks aren't thinking about.
You got to put a little blame on the Senate parliamentarian and the weak Senate leadership that let her rule that illegals could still get Medicaid.
And, you know, my old boss, Ron Paul, used to say that was the biggest single magnet after possibly the chance of employment.
But the second biggest magnet of drawing illegals into our country was that free medical care.
And that has to be changed.
But it's, you know, it was not changed in the bill.
They changed it in the House, but the Senate parliamentarian wouldn't allow it in the Senate bill.
So it wasn't in the final bill.
That's got to be changed.
So, you know, we got a lot of problems still with immigration.
What can be done about this Indian legal immigration thing, Lou?
You know, Vivek Ramaswani and Elon Musk are 100% behind it.
And H-1BV's people.
They're just throwing their nose at MAGA.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, the people from the Dot Indians, not the Feather Indians.
Yes, sir.
But, well, I mean, we talked about this in December, and I got all excited about that issue because it really charged the MAGA movement, and particularly on social media, and kind of reminded them how important the legal immigration issue is.
But Trump already gave that away.
He had a big meeting in Silicon Valley during the campaign and promised those guys he wouldn't touch it.
And it's terrible.
There's almost a million people in this country on H-1B visas right now.
They're essentially chattel serfs for these tech bros and a whole lot of other companies.
And it is terrible.
I watched what it did to Microsoft way back in the day, completely transformed Kirkland, Washington.
You know, my old country that I used to hang out in.
And it's terrible, but there's absolutely no political will of those in power to do a dang thing about it.
So it's not, it's not a good idea.
We've got an engineering school here in Memphis, Christian Brothers University.
Sure.
And their graduates can't get jobs.
Yep, in there.
It's completely phony that there aren't Americans to take the jobs.
They don't want to hire people who have the will and determination and self-confidence that our people have when they go out in the workforce.
They want to bring in as many drones from other places as possible.
I hate to be blunt about it, but that's just a fact.
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Help the scout during the summer swelter.
The birds flew off with a fallout shelter.
Eight miles high on the fallen fest, land and far on the grass.
The place tied for a forward pass with the jesting on the sidelines in a cast.
Now the halftime air was sweet perfume while the sergeants played a marching tune.
We all got up to dance.
But we never got the chance.
Huzzah players tried to take the field.
The marching band refused to yield.
Do you recall what was the other day?
The music died.
We started singing live by this American pie.
Don't share it to the levy by the living.
The good old boys been drinking with seed and ride.
Singing, this will be the day that I die.
This will be the day that I die.
Interesting thing about music, it can take you back immediately to a certain place in a certain time.
This Independence Day weekend, I hear that song.
It takes me back a vivid memory.
The year 2000, August of 2000, it was nearly as hot as it is today.
I was on an airplane flying into Long Beach, California for the Reform Party convention, Pat Buchanan's nominating convention.
I was a delegate, among other things.
And I had a discman.
You had CDs back then.
And you put them in this thing and you had earphones and you listened to it.
I was on the plane.
And I had that on my mix CD that I had burned.
And I was listening to that.
You know what it brought to mind for me?
What's that?
Remember the time when the University of California marching band got on the field early?
I think that's probably what he was doing.
Yeah, and that's what he was talking about.
Yeah, right.
Well, that makes sense.
But in any event, that was a year that changed my life.
It was all still ahead of me then.
I am here today having this conversation with Lou Moore because of that year.
And Lou, I just got to tell you this before we continue on.
It was about a year ago that you and I first became acquainted.
And then we've been all over the place since then.
You've made many appearances on this show.
Just want to tell you very quickly before we move to the Big Beautiful Bill.
I'm very thankful for your friendship and for your willingness to appear with us.
It means a lot.
It's absolutely the same here, James.
You and Keith are fantastic.
And I enjoy being a listener because I am all the time.
Well, I enjoy listening to you and have the opportunity to befriend you and to have you on this program.
I second that emotion is Smokey Robinson.
We're good stuff.
All right, Lou.
Well, listen, the Big Beautiful Bill.
Help us make sense of it.
I am making sense of it in real time.
Now, I know your old boss, Ron Paul, wouldn't like the raising of the debt that is a part of this.
That's something that has to be considered and discussed.
However, when I see every Democrat to a one stand in unified solidarity against it, there's got to be something good there.
I see Hakeem Jeffries with this eight-hour filibuster.
I mean, break it down, the good, the bad, and the ugly here on the Big Beautiful Bill.
Yeah, well, the first thing is, and, you know, some people just don't seem to keep this in mind.
You have to have 60 votes in the Senate unless you do this procedure, which causes you to have these big, stinky bills.
And as soon as you do that, and you go away from the regular order of the normal appropriation process and the 12 bills and all that, when you do this big bill, I do this budget gimmick.
Every lobbyist, how many thousand are there in DC now?
Every one of them will try to get a piece of you.
And all the big players all do get a piece of you every single time.
That's why there are terrible provisions in this bill.
Just wanted to mention quickly, the House tried to whack, you know, they're saying, oh, we hate the Green New Deal.
We just hate the Green New Deal.
But, you know, a lot of Republican donors have invested in a lot of these green companies because they get tax credits.
They get all kinds of write-offs.
They get all kinds of grants from the feds.
It's welfare.
And so, you know, the House got rid of most of that, said it, put it back in.
And so, you know, we're going to have a power crisis in this country because we got too much investment and too many power companies are still going for this wind and solar and stuff that is not going to help us.
That's just an example.
All that Trump needs to do is, you know, executive order that stuff out of business after this.
Yeah, no, not that easy.
Not that easy.
But again, all that.
But anyway, so you're going to always have a ton.
And we're going to be finding out for days about more and more of those kind of things.
But anyway, that aside, as far as the tax cuts, they had to be renewed.
I mean, we'd have had the largest tax in Greece ever if we didn't keep the Trump tax cuts.
That's the basic vehicle that this bill is the basic purpose of it.
And then secondarily, we absolutely have to have the, what is it, $275 billion for the border and for doing what I want, which is deportations.
So that's none.
I mean, from my standpoint, my worldview, and I think you guys, that's non-negotiable.
We have to have that.
And so, you know, those are the big ticket items that we got to get what we can and jettison things that we can't get.
All right.
So, I mean, that was the sweetener, Lou, of the added funding for deportations.
We want to see that become realized, and we hope that this helps us advance on that issue.
Now, one of the big drawbacks, I think, that the Democrats are sinking their teeth into is that, oh, it's going to take all these millions of people.
I've heard a lot of different figures, 11 million, 15 million, whatever, off of health care.
Who are we talking about here, Lou?
Who's getting off health care?
Is it the deadbeats?
Is it the dregs?
Is it on the MAGA base?
Well, I mean, or is it?
I mean, who is it?
I don't know.
Well, the problem is, politically, for Trump and for any of us that are wanting to succeed, a huge amount of the MAGA base is on Medicaid, which shows that the party system is changing and our whole ideological basis underneath these parties are changing.
It's about 20%.
So, you know, he's got to be very careful.
The Republicans need to be careful, but most of them are not that careful in the House and the Senate.
They do a terrible job messaging.
As soon, I had almost like a stopwatch out for the first Democrat that would get up in the well of the House and say, people are going to die.
And sure enough, some African-American gal from somewhere.
But anyway, I believe that primarily we're talking about people changing work requirements and they also tried to go after the insurance companies that have been cheating Medicare and Medicaid.
And New York Times had a story that United Healthcare probably stole $50 billion with a B dollars from our federal health insurance programs over the last few years.
Now I know why their CEO got assassinated.
Well, I mean, look, I mean, all seriousness, I mean, Lou, I mean, Trump is saying, and he's pretty resolute about this, that it's fraud and abuse that they're going after.
The people who need to be on Medicare or who need these entitlements, that that's not going, very few of them will lose that.
These are the people that they sound like Democrats that are frauding the system.
Excuse me, James.
No, I hear you.
But there are other issues like, you know, the funding formula for rural hospitals.
They make all this stuff so complicated.
I mean, even when you have it all explained to you, you hardly know what's going on.
They make it so complicated.
There's so many fingers in the pie.
There's so much waste.
It's unbelievable.
But no, I think in the main, people are not going to lose their health insurance and whatnot.
But I'm sure some people will get lost, you know, will get caught in the crossfire here.
I just hope there are not too many because that would not be good politically for our president.
Well, Brother Paul would not have liked the adding to the debt.
His son in Kentucky, the senator Rand, does not.
What is your take on that?
You know the family.
You work for him.
Well, I mean, of course, that's, I mean, Ron never voted for a tax increase or an unbalanced budget.
I wrote more than one radio commercial with those words in them, and they were true for Dr. Paul.
But, you know, the reality of the moment is no different than the reality with the Israel lobby.
The special interests have way too much leverage over the Congress.
Elon Musk was a failure, in my opinion, on Doge.
Doge was a failure.
He promised $2 trillion in cuts in the first year.
Then he promised $1 trillion in cuts.
Then he promised $500 billion in cuts.
Then he promised $150 billion in cuts over time.
And the Doge bill had nine, the first one, the first rescion, had $9 billion.
And half of that was NPR.
I mean, about the lightest lift possible for these guys.
So cutting, Congress does not like to cut anything.
Incumbent Congresspeople of both parties, you know, everybody's happy when the pie gets bigger and bigger and bigger.
And everybody gets angry when the pie gets smaller.
And that's just a fact.
What we need to do, Lou, on this is we need to start identifying Kui Bono, who benefits.
And if it's not MAGA people, to hell with them.
100%.
And, you know, we need to keep building this movement.
That's why I don't like to see my brothers and sisters abandoning Trump, even though he will do many things that will drive you crazy.
There's no doubt.
But this movement is still, I think, the primary political vehicle to move us in a position where we can do even more for our country.
It's the only thing that's making a difference.
Well, I mean, I have to agree with you, Lou.
You know, I work with all sides.
We're known as a nexus here.
We work with a lot of different people on the right with a lot of different perspectives.
We're sort of like a clearinghouse where everybody comes together and everybody gets along.
But there are differences of opinion.
But my personal opinion is in line with yours.
And I want to thank you again for shedding, excuse me, shedding an hour of your holiday weekend to be with us.
I know you're on vacation tonight, and I appreciate you stepping away to join us.
It's always so good to talk to you, and I know we'll talk again soon.
Same here.
Thanks, guys.
Appreciate it.
Yeah, I think losing Rattlesnake Alcatraz rather than Alexander off track.
He's out west.
But LouMore.com.
That's where you need to go, folks.
L-E-W-M-O-O-R-E.com.
There you can get his book, Forerunner, about his time on the Ron Paul presidential campaign of 2008, and also his podcast, Hour of Decision.
You're going to want to catch it every week.
Louemore.com.
We're going back to Russia with Christine Lynn in the second hour.
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