May 25, 2025 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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The Political Cesspool, known across the South and worldwide as the South's foremost populist conservative radio program.
And here to guide you through the murky waters of the Political Cesspool is your host, James Edwards.
Welcome back.
Still so much to cover.
You've already heard from Cyan Quinn reporting on the Re-Migration Conference earlier this week, Warren Bailag for a general discussion in the last hour.
Still to come this hour, we are going to cover the story earlier this week of Trump's meeting in the Oval Office with the South African warlord and what happened there.
I mean, again, just truly remarkable.
Truly remarkable.
And I believe we're going to have Jason Bartlett back on to wrap this thing up.
But first, we have got to get to David Zuddy.
He is the executive director of the Homeland Institute.
He has become a great friend over the course of the last couple of years.
And his appearances, as I said at the top of the show, he is always so sharp, always so well-informed, and always delivers the message with surgical-like precision.
And he is back with us right now.
Jason, how are you?
Or excuse me, David, how are you?
I was reading David's message.
David, it's great to have you back.
Yes, it's great to be back.
It's always fun.
It is always fun.
And this is a topic that we need to be talking more about.
It has been certainly one of the signature issues of Trump's second term so far, and that is the issue of tariffs.
So this is how you preface your latest research at HomelandInstitute.org, your latest poll.
You write, for decades, the American labor market has suffered from a one-two punch of cheap labor being imported and jobs being exported because the labor market is not immune to the iron law of the supply and demand.
This naturally led to lower wages, longer hours, and worse conditions for American workers.
On April the 2nd, the White House announced an aggressive policy of reciprocal tariffs to address America's trade imbalance, thereby sparking a debate on the advantages and disadvantages of tariffs.
What does the general public, though, think about tariffs?
What pro-tariff arguments are the most persuasive?
This is what you set out to determine and to learn.
David, to answer these questions, you polled 727 respondents who are politically and demographically represented, a representative of white, non-Hispanic American registered voters.
And these were just a quick cliff's notes of your findings that the number of independents and Republicans who agreed that globalism failed, quote unquote, outnumber those who disagreed.
That's good news.
A majority of respondents who were neutral or opposed to tariffs would be more likely to support tariffs if the White House were more clear and consistent.
Understandable.
In a short five to seven minute poll, respondents went from being slightly opposed to tariffs to almost equally supportive of and opposed to tariffs.
And then lastly, 81.7% of Republican respondents support tariffs.
Jason Bartlett is coming up in just a moment.
David Zuddy with us now.
David, explain to us some more about your findings to get a little more comprehensive for us, please.
Yes, so offshoring industry and importing labor is one of those things that hasn't changed over the years.
Much like support for Israel, it's lamentably a very bipartisan issue.
But finally, Trump, there seems to be hope for change here.
And Trump isn't blowing hot air.
He has talked about tariffs before in the past.
For example, there was a time on Oprah in the late 80s or early 90s where he spoke about how the Japanese were really outperforming us.
He loved Japan, great people.
But he has to look out for the American worker.
He wanted to do tariffs.
So this isn't new.
A lot of people, when this originally came up, re-sprouted it up again.
And also, he talked about on the campaign.
So when people claimed this came out of left field, they weren't really knowing what they were talking about.
If you look at what Trump has said in public, it was all reasonably foreseeable.
I don't know what he said in private, but this wasn't out of left field as some people claimed.
And they were crying about the stock market, which has since then recovered.
But look, if people can't afford a home because they're not paid well, I don't really care about the stock market, to be honest.
But this is big, and I think it's important that Trump do tariffs because if we're going to do tariffs, there will be some short-term economic pain because it's a change.
But look at your personal life.
If you want to get healthier, stronger, better off financially, you have to make some short-term pain to get those long-term gains.
And there will be some delayed gratification.
And I would prefer to do this as quick as possible so that we can get through the pain in time for the next presidential election or perhaps even the midterms.
The clock is ticking, but it looks like Trump is not going through with most of them except for maybe China.
China is still up in the air, but looks like Trump issued a credible threat of tariffs to get better trade deals.
And you have to realize I did this poll originally back when this is more of a fresh topic.
It is more ambiguous.
But since then, things have somewhat stabilized.
It looks like people are simply renegotiating trade deals so that they're no longer as bad.
I would still go for tariffs, and I believe it's important to, not just for fairness to the American worker, but to build Fortress America.
As we've saw in the poll, a lot of people do agree with my concerns that there are geopolitical issues here.
There is massive supply chain vulnerability brought about that we saw with COVID.
Was that a block swan event?
Well, what if in the 2100s, black swans tend to fly every decade or so?
And they're no longer really black swans.
That's a new normal.
We have a confrontation possibly coming up with China.
Why would we make ourselves vulnerable by having very important chips being made in Taiwan, which is just a stone's throwing away from the Chinese mainland?
That's a bad idea.
And I want to really emphasize here that just like support for Israel, running up the national debt, this was wholly bipartisan.
Presidents and Congresses of both parties are fine with putting our industry in range of Chinese weapons systems because this would make an extra buck.
And that is unacceptable.
That is shameful.
And I want to see it end.
And two, I cannot emphasize this enough.
Just like with mass deportations, this will help the American worker because supply and demand.
Supply and demand does not magically become suspended when it comes to the labor market.
People say it does, but really that means they don't want to pay an honest price for an honest day's work.
Homer Simpson deserves a house, too.
And that's that.
Very good line.
Yep.
And we began looking at where people are, and they started off being slightly more opposed than in support of tariffs, at least amongst the white registered voters.
However, by the end of the poll, their support increased by a whopping 4.6%.
That sounds small, except for in electoral politics.
That's actually a lot.
Look how elections are.
And two, that was a very nice increase, especially because this was done over simply five to seven minutes.
A big key to anything that you do is normalizing the message, normalizing the idea, making your arguments heard.
And we saw this also, I believe they hit on this at the re-migration summit about how they're trying to normalize re-migration, where it's almost like sports.
It's something that everyone talks about.
Planes will be a common symbol.
Well, the same thing I think can be done with any political issue, including tariffs.
I think we really have to normalize that and go autarky because we cannot rely upon the rest of the world not to have a crisis.
We've seen Houthis disrupting supply chains over in the Indian Ocean, the Persian Gulf.
That's a huge issue.
And we don't know what the next thing will be.
I think that's also why Trump is making moves on Greenland, which I thought was a little odd at first.
I didn't like him annoying another white country like that, but there is concern about global supply chains and geopolitics that we cannot dismiss anymore.
The world's changing.
We're no longer the top dog.
It's a weapons system issue.
It's a geopolitics issue.
We have to go multipolar.
That means making America strong, which means not relying upon everybody.
And this will make other people stronger too because they won't be reliant upon us as much.
But yet, this is very, very important.
And the biggest issues, the ones that had the most support, was the talk about the supply chain.
But there's other reasons why I want tariffs too.
And while people didn't agree as much, that doesn't mean these aren't valid ideas.
Policymakers need to understand that the real reason they promote something doesn't always need to be the argument that they use to advertise it.
For example, the common sense stance that industry can be re-shored if it was offshored.
That's a huge one.
It's hard to argue against.
You really have to turn yourself into a pretzel to argue against it.
But one of my favorite things was that it's a more fair and efficient method of raising revenue than the income tax or property taxes.
I really dislike property taxes.
That's a different horse beat for a different day.
But income tax nobody likes shooting up turbo tax or going to an accountant, doing all this.
So I'd say, why do it?
Let's get rid of the income tax for people who make less than $100,000 a year.
It was originally advertised as a stopgap measure for World War II or the Great Depression.
But of course, FDR with socialists and communists, they say one thing, do another.
But no, and the big thing is that it's more fair and efficient.
For example, value-added tax at the cash register and make the businesses calculate it.
So people aren't having to go and calculate stuff at the end of the year.
That's stressful.
Also, it's interesting how tax season is diametrically on the opposite side of the calendar from Election Day.
Isn't that special?
Because to me, it'll be right before Election Day.
Let's see how that works.
But that's another policy thing for another day.
But it's just a big thing because there's a horrible amount of tax evasion.
And a lot of it comes from rich people who know that they can lawyer up if they're audited by the IRS.
And I mentioned this in the poll to the poll takers.
There was some congressional testimony that basically said in so many nice, pretty words, that the IRS goes after low and medium income people because they don't have legal representation to fight back, despite how rich people do more tax evasion, which is blatantly anti-populist and unfair.
Hold on right there, ladies and gentlemen.
Our guest, David Zuddy of the Homeland Institute, HomelandInstitute.org, one of the most unique and creative new organizations doing work for our side.
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Great to have on the very informed David Zutty.
He's an attorney in California by trade, received his BA in political science from the University of California, San Diego, and is J.D. from the Chapman University's Dale E. Fowler School of Law.
Before studying law, David served six years in the U.S. Air Force as an airborne linguist and achieved the rank of staff sergeant.
So that is staff sergeant Zuddy to you, ladies and gentlemen, also an activist and chapter leader in the former Identity Europa.
So he's been around, very accomplished, and now heading up the Homeland Institute, which again, as I said before the break, as far as new arrows in our quiver as pro-white activists, I think it is unique.
I think it is different to have a scientific polling organization, an institute dedicated to scientific polling, not just to satisfy our curiosity on some issues, but to help better inform our approach on certain issues.
If you understand how people are thinking, you can tailor a message that will meet them where they are.
Very important work to me that the Homeland Institute is doing.
And of course, David Zuddy is the primary person behind that.
And we're talking now about this latest poll on tariffs.
You can read the full report and look at all the data and all the numbers at homelandinstitute.org.
But, you know, David, to me, this is another play out of the Buchanan playbook, Ron Paul.
We were talking with Lou Moore, Ron Paul's campaign manager, two weeks ago on the program, and he was talking about how much he is in favor of these tariffs.
And I think I believe he wrote the book Frontrunner, and I'm reading through that right now, and I highly recommend it.
Yes, he did.
Yes, he did.
Thank you very much for reminding the audience of that.
As a matter of fact, we used that as a fundraising incentive back in December.
Lou Moore, very good friend of ours.
And so, but with regard to the tariffs, I think it is just human nature to reflexively be opposed to something you don't understand, something new, something that has changed.
And that's something that I think transcends political ideology.
You're reflexively opposed to things that are radically different than what you're used to.
And so to me, seeing that the numbers are already so positive for tariffs amongst the Republican base is encouraging because I like Lou Moore and Buchanan and Paul and you.
I'm in favor of it, especially if they can truly be used to give us relief on income taxes and maybe even abolish the IRS entirely as has been sort of bandied about.
Especially with the tax evasion, a big issue is that this will help re-immigration because a lot of illegal aliens evade taxes.
They don't pay them.
But guess what?
If prices go up due to tariffs, that's just a net neutral for the average citizen.
But for an illegal, they'll be paying more because they can't evade the tariff effect unless they're simply buying purely goods made in America.
So that's another big reason why I like that, that angle.
And with regards to this other big issue that we're going to close the program with, so we had an hour.
We had an hour last week with Jason Bartlett, who is a South African farmer.
He didn't come over with the famous 49 that arrived a few days ago, but he did come over during the first Trump administration from South Africa.
He's a native of South Africa.
He was able to get asylum.
And he's now a farmer in the American South.
So you take a farmer out of South Africa, you put them somewhere, they start farming again, and he's just a wonderful guy, a credit to society.
And he was on last week for a full hour, David, to talk about the arrival of these refugees.
And then now, since then, you have this huge blow-up in the Oval Office with, I say blow-up, I mean, Trump, I mean, well, I'll read one headline here, and then we'll tie it all together to what we're talking with you about right now.
But the headline from NBC News, in a tense meeting, Trump makes the South African president watch videos about white genocide.
I mean, first of all, David, just respond to that incredible, almost surreal headline.
I just don't think any of us in our wildest fantasies could have dreamed that the second Trump administration would generate headlines like that.
So your response just as a white man to that headline and then tie it into the conversation we're having about tariffs and your research with the Homeland Institute on that issue.
Yeah, so back in Identity Europa when I was active and even beforehand, talking about white genocide, particularly in South Africa, was a major policy goal.
Trying to get it normalized.
There was activism done on behalf of that.
And to see the Trump administration take a policy goal of Identity Europa and make it mainstream, blast it on people's TV, blast it on their X accounts, that is huge.
And there will be people from the so-called your right who will complain about this or cry.
They can't be made happy.
This is beyond my wildest dreams.
Things are coming real.
And we are making policy.
This shows that what you do, even if it doesn't have a direct 100% one-to-one impact on that same day, it doesn't matter if you worked for this, if you put any effort in, thank you.
You were part of making this happen.
I want everyone who ever put up a sticker or a flyer for Identity Europa or for anything pro-white or did any type of activism related to South Africa.
Hell, even if it says digital activism, thank yourself because you had a hand in this.
There is a dissident, a sticker, alt-right, Edgeword SOC account pipeline to the White House now.
This is real.
JD Vance probably has an alt account where he scrolls through our stuff.
This is real.
We did this, and we will continue to make changes.
You cannot downplay this.
There's no way to downplay it without being just a little party pooper.
Twist yourself under pretzel.
This is amazing.
And too, if we can do this this early in Trump's second term, what can we do later on?
We're only getting started here.
This is huge.
This is big.
And we need to understand that one of the things that dealing with the general public is that sometimes they like stuff, but they don't know that they like it yet.
So if they say something, they don't like it, they don't agree with it in the poll, you don't wait.
You just have to try more.
For example, I'm sure if we ask this question from the poll, which the flying best describes your opinion of the statement, terrorists are an opportunity to pressure foreign governments to respect their citizens' rights to free speech, run for office, and politically organize.
Now, I had to make this intentionally vague because I'm not going to give them a paragraph lesson about Germany's issues, Belgium's issues, what might have been election championing in Romania.
It definitely was election fortification.
I'm not sure if it was outright stolen, but it may have been.
We need answers to that.
Well, only 18.7% were in some form of agreement.
Republicans were, of course, a little bit higher, but still under half.
That doesn't matter because they don't know they like it yet.
We have identified something that we need to work hard on.
So this way I'm transferring more from objective polls to observing how can we subjectively influence people.
What arguments hit the hardest we know to use those, but also what do we need to work on?
And we need to work on this, but guess what?
If this question had been asked next week, after Trump had made this statement and had Elon Musk shooting daggers at the president of South Africa in the Oval R office, these numbers will be higher.
I don't know how much higher.
Who knows?
We can maybe redo this in a year from now.
But I'm less interested in simply measuring opinion now than seeking how can we change it.
I think this is a great opportunity to change it.
You can just do things.
As Henry Ford, who is a great American industrialist, criticizer of a certain tribe, once said, whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right.
That's pure Americana will to power.
This can be done.
It is happening.
It is so true.
And yes, South Africa, we should, in my opinion, tariff them, sanction them.
If we have to arm people in the country to defend themselves, and if we have to, I would say, let's use military action.
The things going on in South Africa are equal to the stuff that's alleged that is going on in Iraq.
Except we actually have a dog in a fight in South Africa because there's white people there, unlike Iraq, which is simply, let's be honest, era warlord after another era of warlord, what do you expect?
I don't approve of Saddam Hussein, but he wasn't exactly an issue for the American people.
South Africa is.
It is part of the white genocide going on, and a great replacement that is global.
And it's also furthest along the timeline of white genocide.
If we don't take a stand now and make change, we will wind up like Britain.
And if Britain doesn't start making changes, they will wind up possibly like South Africa.
And so this is big.
This is a tool in the toolkit, along with using tariffs to negotiate trade deals.
Tariffs and a whole lot more should be used to push back against white genocide.
And this isn't just, of course, in South Africa.
We should be doing this in Europe because they too are seeking to replace and brutalize their people.
And also do things like anarcho-tyranny.
For example, AFD, AFD has been given a lot of heat, but guess what?
JD Vance dressed down their leaders and got on them about censorship and threatening to ban people.
And that matters because when our words are backed by ample, hard, and soft power, Romania, well, if this was a 2020 in Romania, maybe we should sanction them.
We should be exporting nationalism to Europe.
This stuff comes home.
And Britain, there's been this weird turnabout by Kier Starmer, but he still is political prisoners.
Okay, yeah, political prisoners while you're letting Muslims go free after they're in the middle of the Kier Starmer's now saying, he's sounding like Enoch Powell now.
He's saying things that put people in prison for.
But it's not to say he's on our side.
He's not.
But I mean, it just goes to show everything just seems to be up in the air.
And David, before we let you fly, I just want to remind everybody to check out and support the work of the Homeland Institute.
But you were last on with us February the 1st.
I was just looking back in the archives.
That was about 10 days after the inauguration.
And by then, you'd already had this foray of executive orders.
And it looked as though we knew which way this thing was going.
But now it's crystallized much more.
Now we're a few months in.
You're overall grade on Trump.
I mean, I give him high marks and even more so after this is done in the Oval Office.
Overall, what would you say?
Whether the issue be tariffs or white genocide or whatever, the border.
Overall, what's your grade for Trump?
I would say eight or nine out of ten.
There are issues with the F-Scheme list, but realistically, I would give him a nine, ideally on my idealistic scale, an eight.
And I'll say this: you can tell a lot about person like who their friends are.
And Trump has a lot better friends this time around than last time.
No more perfidious Mike Pence.
He has a better vice president.
Much better vice president.
I'm very much a fan of Vance.
I also know some people give Elon Muskie, but I like having interest.
It's very different people.
You have Hegseth.
That's wonderful.
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What a busy show tonight.
Cyan Quinn reporting on the Re-Migration Conference, then Warren Bailog.
You just heard from David Zuddy talking about tariffs and the latest poll with the Homeland Institute.
But if you would have told me last week, last week, as you know, we spoke with Jason Bartlett, the South African farmer who has come now to live in the United States, came in Trump's first term, had a great interview with Jason last week.
One of the most significant developments in world news, which was, of course, the arrival of these first refugees from South Africa.
I did not think I would be talking to Jason again tonight, one week later, Saturday, May the 24th, but circumstances demanded it.
And we also have brought on our friend Rich Hamblin.
This is just an incredible way to end the show, gentlemen.
Rich, I'll say hello to you and hello to you, Jason.
We'll let Jason respond first.
Jason, how are you tonight?
Well, I think you can probably see my smile through the radio.
It is wonderful to see someone that has been so evil for so many years being reprimanded on live TV.
And Trump did not roll over.
He was relentless and he exposed the reality and the truth about South Africa.
So, God bless Trump for doing what he did today.
I am in awe of Trump today, I will be honest.
Okay, I want to ask, I want to continue with you, Jason, obviously, but I want to ask Rich, because Rich is sort of a well, a guy who can fit, I think, somewhere neatly in between the position that I take on Trump and the position that Warren Bailock, who is much more skeptical, our guest in the second hour.
You just heard from David Zuddy, who gives Trump eight or nine stars out of ten.
But, Rich, I mean, again, and I shared this headline just a moment ago: the headline from NBC News: in a tense meeting, Trump makes a South African president watch videos promoting they've changed the headline promoting false claims of white genocide.
That headline has changed since I read it 10 minutes ago.
But, nevertheless, we know what happened.
And I will actually read the headline as it was originally stated.
In tense meeting, Trump makes the South African president watch videos about white genocide.
NBC has changed it in real time to false claims of white genocide.
But anyway, it was an incredible spectacle in the White House, Rich.
And as someone who has, again, been not as high on Trump as I have, but maybe not as low on Trump as some of our friends.
You watched this, and South Africa is an issue near and dear to your heart.
What was your reaction to this?
Oh, I think it's great.
I have to take back a lot of the bad things I've been saying about Trump.
This is one time that he didn't roll over and didn't walk it back.
And it was a beauty to behold.
Not only did he call out Cyril, but he called out the media too.
I think he threw an NBC reporter out of the press conference for trying to change the subject.
This is again, Jason, just really something it is surreal to see.
Surreal to see headlines like this.
As I said a moment ago with David Zuddy, I just, if you would have told me, even being optimistic and bullish on the prospects of Trump going into his reinauguration, if you'd have told me I'd be reading headlines like this on the air in May, four months later, I'd have just said there's just no way.
That's fantastical.
That's just not really realistic.
Continue on with where you think this is going now, Jason, and what kind of evolution will spawn from this most recent event?
Well, let's say South Africa is never going to be the same again.
I think when they discuss things behind closed doors, Soro Mapaza finds himself in a very difficult position because the ANC is full of sanctions and it's a very corrupt culture.
And they're probably going to, who knows, maybe have a civil war between each other when they get forced to lock up someone like the EFF leader, Julius Malema, for singing Kill the Boer, Kill the Farmer.
It's just sickening to watch how a man, the leader of a so-called free country, can sit there and laugh at the face of someone calling for the killings of another race and another type of people.
It was truly sickening to watch as well, to see how he just denied it and keeps on wanting to talk about trade and what he's done.
And, you know, everyone knows now.
Everyone's been exposed to the truth about South Africa.
There's no more hiding it.
So the future is a little bit brighter.
I believe that we are riding a wave and Trump's only got X amount of years.
So we need to take action.
And like I've made my videos, I think it's time for the Afrikaner to stand up and stop being silent.
You know, find a leader and follow someone tooth and nail because, you know, look at the white people who stood up trying to defend Sarah Mapaza, like Johan Rupert, who is a complete sellout.
However, they brought along Ernie Alison and Ratif Khusen and that backfired on them because they truthful, honest people.
And South Africa's been exposed.
So I did expect this because this was my mission since 2020.
God put it on my heart, followed him, and look what's happening.
It's not my time, but his time to shine.
Rich, this video montage that Trump played and made this warlord watch included videos of people talking about cutting the throat and shooting white people.
And again, just going through the headlines of this that have just been all over the place this week, Trump the Hill, Trump confronts South African leader with white genocide accusations.
New York Times, Trump and South African President Cyril Ramaphosa meet at White House.
And it just the BBC Trump ambushes South African president in the Oval Office.
I mean, 10 years ago, 10 years ago, Rich, as we mentioned last week with Jason, nobody was talking about this stuff except for people like Jason, Simon Roche.
I mean, people were talking about it, but they were all in sort of our ecosystem and it had not burst into the mainstream.
Now you've got the president of the United States in the White House using the term white genocide with regards in the context of South Africa and just drilling the president of South Africa in a dress down.
He got amazing.
He got the Zelensky treatment.
He sure did.
He sure did.
Rich, I want to turn it over to you, and I want to give you the opportunity to make a comment, just further share with the audience your thoughts right now, and then let you and Jason have a little conversation.
If you've got some questions and some comments or some back and forth you'd like to engage with one another, again, we're bringing Rich on because he has traveled to South Africa a couple of times, but it is an issue that is, I guess you would say, I mean, Rich is a regular listener supporter of this program.
He's with us on all the issues.
But South Africa, if I had to say there's one issue that I think of when I think of Rich, it's South Africa.
So anyway, that's why he's on.
Jason's on for obvious reasons.
But Rich, to you, and then sort of you and Jason talk to each other, and I'll sit back and listen to that.
Yeah, there just wasn't a whole lot that Ronald Posa could say.
If you watch the videos that are circulating now, I imagine the comments are really lighting up.
And I'm sure that the liberal media is going to, I don't know how they're going to spin it, but they're going to try.
Now to the audience, I would recommend that they go to the Sightlanders Media on YouTube and watch the videos that Simon Roche is publishing now.
He's actually in Russia on a Goodwill tour.
And last night he did one that was, I mean, it was really pretty stunning.
I mean, he got really, really torqued up about it and pointed out that being a white commercial farmer in South Africa is the single most dangerous occupation in the world.
There are more white farmers murdered in that occupation in South Africa than there is people dying as lumberjacks, which was previously one of the high-risk occupations.
And so check him out.
It's called Letters from South Africa, excuse me, Letters from Russia, and it's very good.
In fact, I left him a message just a little while ago, you know, to kind of get his thoughts on it.
But I think this is great.
I mean, it's bringing an issue to the forefront that needs to be.
I mean, everybody treats the white people in South Africa like they're rent and his stepchild, you know, and they buy into all this notion of the rainbow nation and, oh, it's just, you know, we just got bad crime.
Well, to tell you how bad crime is, I think during the whole of the apartheid period, there were only like something like 700 murders in South Africa.
And since 1991, what is it, Jason?
Close to 400,000?
I mean, it's quite a few.
Yeah, like 400,000.
Yeah, and Simon said in his video last night that it's an average of four a week among the white farmers, and 95% of them go unsolved.
And in fact, there's a lot of suspicion that the police are active participants in the murder because there was videotapes of an attack where the blacks had sophisticated cell phone jamming equipment on their backs.
I mean, you don't pick that stuff up now at the local pawn shop.
Jason, this is, Rich, you're onto something, and I'm reading through this right now.
This is CBS News now that writes, differences between President Trump and South African President Cyril Ramaphosa came to a head Wednesday afternoon in an Oval Office meeting as they clashed over whether white genocide is taking place in South Africa.
So, Jason, another article, I believe it was the NBC News article, which has changed its headline to include false claims.
They said 14 crimes were committed against white farmers last year.
That's what NBC News is running with.
So you, unlike these reporters, you have actually lived in South Africa.
You know people there.
They are still holding to their position that whites are treated equally and treated quite well in South Africa by the ruling elite.
And in spite of the fact that it's stadium chance about genociding these people, the media is still digging in on that position.
Jason, your response to that.
My friend, they told us that Joe Biden was a sharp tool for four years.
So we understand the situation.
I mean, we've been persecuted for the last 31 years.
We created that country.
We built rails systems across the country, across Africa, and they have destroyed it.
They do not treat whites equally.
They look at you with a scorn of hate.
I mean, in what country do you raise young ladies and young girls not to look a black man in the eye?
I mean, that is the situation in South Africa.
It is crime-ridden.
Even the woman who spoke at the White House admitted that South Africa is a violent nation, and she's speaking on behalf of the black people.
In South Africa, they are a violent nation.
If you take a look at America as well, the majority of the crimes is committed by the minority in America.
So look at South Africa.
The majority is the black people.
They commit the crimes.
They commit hate crimes.
You do not rape an 87-year-old woman while 10 of your friends watch and take a turn and then chop off her head and continue to rape her.
That is South Africa.
That is a violent nation.
And Trump has exposed it.
No matter what friend Saro Amapaza brings along, he cannot defend what he has done.
You could see he couldn't sit still in his seat.
He knows what happens.
And like they saying, I was looking on X now that Trump ambushed him.
He didn't ambush him.
He told him the truth like he promised he would.
So he came here thinking that he was going to walk away this delightful child.
I think we're going to see the end of Soro Amapaza, and I think we're going to see the end of Julius Malema.
And this is the time where a white leader needs to stand up in South Africa and be of good heart and of good cheer.
And I believe take the country back, not only because we want to better it, but we want to better it for all races because everybody in South Africa is suffering.
The whites are persecuted, but even the good, poor black people are suffering because their people are looting and stealing everything from them.
All right.
Again, Rich, this is a quote directly from this meeting, Donald Trump.
And I quote, we have dead white people, dead white farmers mostly, end quote.
I mean, the media trying to still convince people that this isn't happening, it just seems to me tired, played out.
It seems as though our issues are overwhelming our enemies.
The sheer momentum behind a lot of our positions have just really got them on their heels.
And I think, you know, it's so often been a negative thing that Europe takes America's lead on whatever issue or whatever fad or trend.
But if Donald Trump can embolden nationalist leaders in Europe to speak out and do more, I mean, I think as Jason said, this may be the end of Ramaphosa.
It may be the end of a lot of things in South Africa.
It could certainly be the end of the ANC because this last election, they did not garner enough to form a government on their own.
They had to form a coalition.
They call it the government of national unity with the Democratic Alliance, which is the white party.
You get down to it.
I mean, it's got all races in it, but it's primarily the white party, the liberal white party in South Africa.
And they are playing along with the government to a great extent.
I don't know what Jason's opinion is, but I view them pretty much as traitors to their fellow boars.
But there you have it.
There are 142 different laws based on race in South Africa.
That's one of the reasons that Elon Musk, even though he offered to bring Starlink to South Africa to give the whole country internet access, they would not allow him in unless he made 51% of the ownership black.
You know, it's B-E-E, black economic empowerment.
And so South Africa is going to have a come up.
It's a shame to see what it's like down there.
I mean, it was, you got to remember this.
South Africa was the home of the world's first heart transplant in 1967.
They had a functioning water system.
They sold electricity throughout Africa.
They had clean water.
They had roadways.
They had trains that ran.
And they provided housing for the blacks.
That's the truth.
You know, the apartheid housers, little four-room houses.
Compare that to what the Russians had under the Soviet Union.
You had entire families crammed into one-room apartments.
Exactly.
We've talked with you and with Simon and with others extensively about the decline in South Africa under the so-called Rainbow Nation tenure.
And you said something that we just sort of glossed over a moment ago.
It should be highlighted.
Simon Roche, our friend, is in Russia right now.
Now, we knew this trip was coming up because he talked about it back in March.
But he is in Russia right now raising awareness about the issues that are going on.
And Jason, I would take you back to this encounter that we had back in 2016, this interview, rather, very quickly, because I know you have to fly.
On Donald Trump Jr.'s Wikipedia page, still to this day, right now I'm looking at it in real time.
It reads, on March 1st, 2016, an interview with James Edwards and Trump Jr. was aired.
As a consequence of the interview, mainstream media outlets accused Trump of either being a believer in the white genocide conspiracy theory or pretending to be an advocate for political gain.
So even as early as 2016, they were talking about this so-called conspiracy theory, but using the term white genocide.
Fast forward now, and the president of the United States is dressing down the president of South Africa in the Oval Office using the term white genocide.
And Jason, it just seems as though anything is possible now.
It seems like I would say, what would you realistically, my last question for you, and then Rich and I will wrap it up.
I would say realistically, what would you like to see come from this?
But I think realistically, anything is possible now.
What would you like to see come of this?
You know, first of all, let's start off with the people that are living in South Africa.
I'd like the 143, 142 race laws to be lifted to let South Africa actually start regenerating itself so engineers can get engineering jobs and not street sweepers get engineering jobs.
You know, we want to have jobs given to people with merit because South Africa is a wonderful country that is run by pagans.
You know, it's amazing how the left accuses Trump of being this mass murderer and killing people and everything like that.
Yet when a murderer really sits like some Roma Paula sits in the White House known for murdering people, he laughs and the left doesn't say a single thing.
You know, so it's very two-faced.
So I'm happy to see the roosters come home and roost because there needs to be change in South Africa.
There needs to be a two-state solution.
There needs to be a white area that is void of black violence and black hate.
So we need to see the ANC, if they're going to have any glimmer of hope, fully condemn Julius Malema, which they won't because they know that the sanctions in South Africa will backfire against them.
So what I want to see is I want to see South Africa rejuvenated.
However, today is a joyful day.
However, let's be honest, it's going to get a lot worse.
I believe there will probably end up being a civil war between the black people because that's all they know.
They know violence, and that's why they've been taking it out on the white people that they've been forced to hate by a government so badly.
Yeah, absolutely, Jason.
I know you have to go.
I will say I agree that the victory has not been won, but for the first time, it seems as though we've got some heavy ordnance in our artillery and that there is reasonable hope for lasting change.
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It is Jason, the number two Bartlett on X. Jason, thank you so much, and congratulations again.
You've been a part of this story for sure.
Thanks.
So you have a blessed one.
And God bless Trump and America for what they've just done.
I don't think the Afrikaners have got this much limelight since forever.
So, you know, long live the poor, long live the Afrikaner and cheers to you guys for raising awareness and not being scared to be called whatever the left calls you just because you're standing up for white people being murdered.
So thank you and God bless you and Richard.
God bless you, Jason.
And we'll talk to you again.
Yeah.
Jason Bartlett, everybody, great guy, Rich.
You and I will wrap up the program.
But again, we were talking with Jason just last week in advance of this summit at the White House.
It almost surprises me now in hindsight that Ramaphosa would go.
He had to.
Well, maybe he didn't.
I mean, we're talking about Ramaphosa here.
Maybe he didn't foresee that this was going to be the way that it turned out, but it just seemed like he walked into, you know, Trump was laying in wait for something like this in light of the rhetoric that he's been consistently articulating since he reassumed office.
But again, talking with Jason last week about the extent to which he has raised awareness about this genocide and how Elon Musk amplified him.
And then you got this executive order.
So Jason's been a part of this.
You have been such a big part of this.
We've been a part of the story.
Simon Roche, I mean, all of the people, as Jason said, all of the people who have raised awareness about this over the years have, and I think it was David Zutty who said it earlier.
Even online, even digitally, everybody is a part of this right now, and it's just an incredible thing.
So, Cyan Quinn at the first hour, very positive on Trump.
Most of our guests have been.
Warren Baylock, still skeptical.
David Zutty, very high.
You seem to be looking at Trump a little differently after this.
And I hope it's all real.
I hope it's not fool's gold.
But man, I mean, how could you not want to say this is a good day and we'll take it?
Exactly.
And I think that this is going to be an ongoing effort.
I don't think there's an upper limit or a terminus for the program.
There's a guy named Colonel Chris Wyatt who's on YouTube.
He's a retired military.
And to be quite honest, I don't think he's tied to intelligence.
But he's made some very good videos explaining the program and says that right now the State Department is basically establishing a queue.
You know, they let the first 49 in, but they said they've put people in line and they realize that it's going to take some time for people to dispose of their property.
So, I mean, you know, either six to nine months or whatever.
So I get the feeling is this thing is going to continue as long as Trump is in office.
And at least I hope so.
And I can imagine that once these 49 have been settled in and they start speaking out, that there's just going to be a flood of applications in South Africa among the whites to get out of that place while they can.
And, you know, we respect people like Simon, who that's my land.
I've been here.
My people have been here for untold generations.
And that's what we talked about last week.
I mean, how many hundreds of years do you have to be somewhere before you're considered indigenous, you know?
But in any event, I know some people want to stay and fight.
I get that.
That's admirable.
I mean, we're still here in the South.
But nevertheless, for the ones who do want to come, they should have that option.
And for Trump opening up those floodgates and specifically mentioning who they are and why he's doing it, I just, listen, you can be jaded.
You can say, I still don't know about Trump.
But again, you cannot say that these aren't good things.
These are very good things.
And so, wow, what will we be talking about next week?
It just seems as though every week brings about something new, Rich, that seems to be, for once, beginning to fall in our direction.
And hopefully this cascading and domino effect.
It's like a whirlwind, you know, and he was only inaugurated in January.
You know, and here it is, barely five months.
So it's who knows?
Yeah, I mean, three and a half more years.
But one thing I've always said, the proof is in the footing.
And right now, the proof is there.
So, I mean, he seems to be delivering all his promises on this issue.
So far, all we can do is, when he does things we agree with, give him that credit.
When he does things we disagree with, hold him accountable.
But right now, I mean, I would be being disingenuous to say, no, I just don't, no, I don't think so.
No, it's all good right now.
A lot of it is very, very good.
And there's still issues behind the scenes, people behind the scenes that have conflicting interests that would love to steer Trump in their direction.
We'll just stay on top of it.
All we can do is be honest week to week about things that we see for Cyan Quinn, Warren Baylock, David Zutty, Jason Bartlett, Rich Hamlin, my good friend.